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Speaker 1: Barry Soper.

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Speaker 2: Hello, good afternoon, Andrew Um.

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Speaker 1: Please accept my ah uh you know adaham, I yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You know what I means.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I well do. And certainly that's what Takout

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Speaker 2: Ferris said the dead of light night last night, when

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Speaker 2: the Privileges Committee basically said to him he had to

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Speaker 2: apologize for being in contempt of Parliament. Now you'll remember

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Speaker 2: he blatantly lied himself about whether he had called MP's

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Speaker 2: liars when he's giving a speech last September, and we

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Speaker 2: played it yesterday. But he did, apparently last night say

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Speaker 2: in Mardi that he apologizes, and that was missed, of

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Speaker 2: course by many, and that infuriated New Zealand first Shane Jones,

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Speaker 2: who told Parliament was again contemptuous by delivering the apology

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Speaker 2: only in Maldi. Get a load of the Jones fury.

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Speaker 3: This member beats to a drum where he believes he's impervious,

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Speaker 3: he's beyond any of this criticism because he's blessed with

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Speaker 3: some pure non muggles. Mildi blood. Shame on you for

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Speaker 3: bringing your own people into disrepute. Shame on your leaders

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Speaker 3: for not insisting you show faka iti, you showed humility.

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Speaker 3: There is no honor in this arrogant No honor in

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Speaker 3: this childish, no honor in this contentious display of disregard

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Speaker 3: for what it means to be a parliamentarian.

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Speaker 2: You know. And Jones was furious, genuinely I think. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he's very theatrical in parliament. But just a few minutes ago,

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Speaker 2: Katuta Ferris, I should say Takuta Faris. I should get

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Speaker 2: it right because I'll be told off about that. But

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Speaker 2: a few minutes ago he was on his feet in

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Speaker 2: the debating chamber. He said that apologizing and Maori means

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Speaker 2: much more to his people than it does in English. Now,

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Speaker 2: in fairness to him, we do have two official languages

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand. We have three.

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Speaker 1: Well, sign language, he could have done it, and if

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Speaker 1: he done it in sign language, I would have asked

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Speaker 1: for an English translation as well. You know, I just

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Speaker 1: think that we've got three official languages.

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Speaker 2: And he knows, I know, he knows he is being arrogant.

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Speaker 2: He knows he was pushing the boundaries and there's nothing

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Speaker 2: that can be done about it. But it's the sheer

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Speaker 2: arrogance that will go with him through his parliament.

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Speaker 1: Can I to say to mister Ferris, It makes me

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Speaker 1: think that perhaps he went his sincere in your apology,

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Speaker 1: because you're actually being cantankerous and being obtuse. Yes, so

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Speaker 1: there we go, Kenneth Papermill. Where are we at?

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Speaker 2: Well? Interestingly this afternoon, now you know people had sort

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Speaker 2: of I think forgotten a bit about Pearl Kinleith. Two

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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty mill workers were about to lose their

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Speaker 2: jobs there next year the machine stopped working. I remember

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Speaker 2: covering disputes there in the early eighties when they went

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Speaker 2: on a three month strike. You probably don't.

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Speaker 1: Know, no, I remember well.

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Speaker 2: I remember Jiggs was a federational labor trouble.

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Speaker 1: Downmill, down mill, it really was.

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Speaker 2: And so and I've stopped in Penrose the recycling plant

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Speaker 2: that stopped in December. Two hundred and thirty workers will

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Speaker 2: lose their jobs next year. And so there seemed to

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Speaker 2: be some hope though for the Kinleith workers in Parliament

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Speaker 2: this afternoon, when Labour's Willie Jackson was asking the Employment

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Speaker 2: Minister Louise Upston to expand about what Winston Peters had

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Speaker 2: told workers last year. I listen and see what you think,

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Speaker 2: does she.

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Speaker 4: Agree with Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters who told workers

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Speaker 4: at the Kinleath mill last year that Kinleath Miller is

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Speaker 4: the lifeblood of the way Cuttle and that targeted government

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Speaker 4: intervention is sometimes necessary to ensure the survival of a

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Speaker 4: business and a community. It is so can the workers

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Speaker 4: of Kinleath Mill have confidence that their jobs and livelihoods

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Speaker 4: are secure?

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Speaker 5: Mister speaker, I always agree with the Deputy Prime Minister

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Speaker 5: and I know very well how important the Kinleath employment

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Speaker 5: is in that community. And that is why as a

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Speaker 5: government we are looking at options.

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Speaker 3: Ah.

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Speaker 2: Now that's fascinating, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Well, why why are they looking at options? Look, it's

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Speaker 1: a private market, is it. They've got markets in China

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Speaker 1: they've collapsed. It's a private business. It's none of the

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Speaker 1: government's business. We're in a very fisty mood today, Andrew.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, you know, when you look at and

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Speaker 1: having covered that dispute, kinlead Tako is totally depend on

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Speaker 1: yes on that mill.

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Speaker 2: Although you could say that Matara down near where I

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Speaker 2: come from, they had a paper mill down there, They

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Speaker 2: had a freezing works down there. They were closed down.

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Speaker 2: The close the town hasn't closed down, but you know, Kinley,

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Speaker 2: that's fairly isolated, and I was talk so I don't

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Speaker 2: know what the government's going to do, but you know,

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Speaker 2: we wait and see you certainly that's the indication that

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Speaker 2: we got.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know that in the area now they're actually

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Speaker 1: shipping an unprocessed logs straight to make your port, and

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Speaker 1: Kui rail and is working along with the port to

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Speaker 1: make that easier so that we can actually have some

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Speaker 1: mills and have some more work in Tacoa. Nobody wants

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Speaker 1: Takaroa to die, but you can't artificially infleet an entire

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Speaker 1: sector that has collapsed.

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Speaker 2: Well, it sounds as though the government's about to do

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Speaker 2: something though. If you listen to Louise upstairs.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Barry, now, remember you're talking about Heather tomorrow and mccon.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, because I'm getting texts the whole time from people,

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Speaker 1: go what's happening with Heather? So you're telling me everything

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Speaker 1: tomorrow for forty five Okay, no worries Andrew.

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