1
00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,960
Speaker 1: The job starts for June there with us adds it

2
00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:03,600
Speaker 1: down for the second month in a row, we've seen

3
00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,280
Speaker 1: a full of three percent applications per job though interestingly

4
00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,039
Speaker 1: also down two percent. But what's going on in the

5
00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,440
Speaker 1: public sector? Government and Defense is up fifty fifty one percent.

6
00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,080
Speaker 1: Defense I get because they've got issues anyway. Rob Clark

7
00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,639
Speaker 1: has six country manager in his back with there's Rob morning.

8
00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:18,600
Speaker 2: Good morning.

9
00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,599
Speaker 1: The big number of rises that we're seeing here the

10
00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,160
Speaker 1: government Information and Tech ICT managers up forty two percent.

11
00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,160
Speaker 1: Is that a bit of monthly noise or is something

12
00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:26,880
Speaker 1: going on there?

13
00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,400
Speaker 2: It's a bit of monthly noise. Really. ICT have had

14
00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,080
Speaker 2: it sort of a bit tough over the longer term,

15
00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,080
Speaker 2: but they did have quite a good June and a

16
00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,800
Speaker 2: couple of roles in particular, you know, saw some quite

17
00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:37,440
Speaker 2: strong demand.

18
00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,560
Speaker 1: Okay, the government in general, is there something going on there?

19
00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,040
Speaker 2: Well, it's worth noting that this time last year at

20
00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,559
Speaker 2: the absolute bottom, and we all know that they've been

21
00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,800
Speaker 2: through some pretty torrid times in Wantington in general. So

22
00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,640
Speaker 2: what we're seeing there is just a bit of a

23
00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,720
Speaker 2: rebound from a very very low base.

24
00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,120
Speaker 1: Okay. The applications per job is that people walking away

25
00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,840
Speaker 1: from the market, or they went and got a job.

26
00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,760
Speaker 2: That is just a situation where the supply of talent

27
00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,679
Speaker 2: is outstripping a demand, and so there's just simply a

28
00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,559
Speaker 2: lot of people applying for fewer roles.

29
00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's not as many as there were. I mean,

30
00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,920
Speaker 1: normally you're seeing an increase in the number of people

31
00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,199
Speaker 1: applying for limited number of roles. If that number is dropping,

32
00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,080
Speaker 1: that indicates either they've got work or they can't be

33
00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:20,360
Speaker 1: bothered looking anymore, doesn't it.

34
00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,160
Speaker 2: Well, it's a pretty small drop. We're still at record level,

35
00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,839
Speaker 2: so I wouldn't read into anything into one particular month

36
00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,000
Speaker 2: because that's been growing for quite some time. So it

37
00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,480
Speaker 2: still remains really competitive out there for jail seconds.

38
00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,640
Speaker 1: Do we know at any given stage what part of

39
00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,080
Speaker 1: the job market is filled by people who may or

40
00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,480
Speaker 1: may not work depending on their mood or vibe or circumstances,

41
00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:42,960
Speaker 1: versus people who have to work.

42
00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,880
Speaker 2: Well, eil Stat's in New Zealand's probably the best place to

43
00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,800
Speaker 2: look at that in terms of the unemployed, and you know,

44
00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,480
Speaker 2: those who choose to work and don't choose to work.

45
00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,880
Speaker 2: The participation rate in New Zealand is typically quite high,

46
00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,680
Speaker 2: so the proportion of the working population is higher out

47
00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,920
Speaker 2: to the total population and sort of as slightly high

48
00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,880
Speaker 2: in Australia typically. So yeah, we're still seeing a lot

49
00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,000
Speaker 2: in that regard, more in the part time space recently,

50
00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,639
Speaker 2: just as people look for any kind of role they can.

51
00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,520
Speaker 1: There's only three regions that went up, Southland, Gisbon, Marlborough.

52
00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,440
Speaker 1: Is there something specific there? Is that hot related? Is

53
00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,280
Speaker 1: the region going off? What's happening?

54
00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,200
Speaker 2: We would see that as sort of monthly noise really,

55
00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,400
Speaker 2: like you know, we saw a bit of a bump,

56
00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,520
Speaker 2: and those markets are relatively small, so we see a

57
00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,360
Speaker 2: bit of up and down. Particularly.

58
00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:33,760
Speaker 1: I was hoping for something a bit better than that.

59
00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,840
Speaker 1: But it's not your fault. All the other regions are

60
00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,160
Speaker 1: the rest of the country have gone down. When's the bottom, Well,

61
00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:41,560
Speaker 1: we think we're at the bottom.

62
00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,600
Speaker 2: You know, if you think about the last twelve months,

63
00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,960
Speaker 2: it's literally been flat and so it's just a bit

64
00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,800
Speaker 2: of a grind, as our customers would describe it. We

65
00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,359
Speaker 2: still see areas where roles are hard to fill, particularly

66
00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,080
Speaker 2: the highly skilled areas, but by and large it's just

67
00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,080
Speaker 2: a flat market at the moment that there's still seventeen

68
00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,480
Speaker 2: thousand jobs on sea as of this morning, so there's

69
00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:04,880
Speaker 2: still a bit of activity going on.

70
00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,519
Speaker 1: Good stuff, Rob, appreciate your expertise as always Rob Clark,

71
00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:08,840
Speaker 1: who is the SIAK country manager.

72
00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,160
Speaker 2: For more from the mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to

73
00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,320
Speaker 2: news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow

74
00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:16,959
Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio