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Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a

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Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. Our Prime

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Speaker 2: minister has met and dined with one of the most

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Speaker 2: powerful people in the world, Donald Trump. Christopher Luxen and

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Speaker 2: Trump spoke at an APEC dinner the other night and

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Speaker 2: it's expected to be one of the most significant meetings

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Speaker 2: Luxon will have at the economic conference. Despite the two

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Speaker 2: not having a formal bilateral the summit is straight off

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Speaker 2: the back of one with the Association of Southeast Asian

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Speaker 2: Nations or Arsian. Newstalk ZB political reporter Azaria Hawe has

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Speaker 2: been traveling alongside Luxon and she joins us now on

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Speaker 2: the Front Page. First off, Azaria apek Yan For people

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Speaker 2: who don't know what these acronyms are, what are they?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So APEC is a really massive economic convention. It's

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Speaker 1: sort of bringing together a number of world leaders from

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Speaker 1: speak about trade, and also global security. So it's a

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Speaker 1: lot of talks in terms of international security and also

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Speaker 1: these countries. New Zealand's Prime Minister Chris Luxen at APEC

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Speaker 1: and also ASIAN which is the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

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Speaker 1: Chris Luxin has met with a number of world leaders

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Speaker 1: at this and had face to face what we call

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Speaker 1: bilateral meetings, So those are really significant. It's sort of

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Speaker 1: having these countries together, and New Zealand is a country

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Speaker 1: really important that we put face to name and keep

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Speaker 1: number of deals that have taken place or some that

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Speaker 1: Association of Southeast Asian Nations a huge sort of trading

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Speaker 1: ratify a comprehensive strategic partnership that would make it one

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Speaker 1: ASIAN and APEC represent sort of about sixty to seventy

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Speaker 1: APEC as well, China's Jijinpeing, the US's Donald Trump as well.

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Speaker 1: It's also really significant as it comes with the tariff

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Speaker 1: But basically the gist of these meetings APEC is in

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I saw that Malaysia is announcing investment into the New

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a really important one for New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: I know that the government has been looking more into

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Prime Minison met with a number of world leaders.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people actually some people have recognized Chris

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what we really want to see is, you know,

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon is the main headline of APEX

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I feel like you would have to

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Speaker 1: He went into this meeting with Donald Trump. World leaders

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Speaker 1: But Chris Luckson had a press conference after that meeting

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Speaker 1: I believe there were about seven or eight leaders at

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Speaker 2: I would expect that that means good things about our

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Speaker 1: Trump as well. I mean, just getting that meeting is

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Speaker 2: So, what's on the agenda for today is area.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so today we're also going to see some more

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Speaker 1: There's media from all over the world here covering these

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Speaker 3: Ventually. The people of South Korea have forged a miracle

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Speaker 3: Very few places like it the entire world should be

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Speaker 3: you and they do so much to understand what you've done,

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Speaker 3: good for you.

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Speaker 1: Keep it this way.

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Speaker 3: Most of them don't get it. They want to get it,

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Speaker 2: And tell me, Sariah, I know that you've been kind

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really cool. I mean, we have the media

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Speaker 1: It was really good. It's very good fried chicken. So

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Speaker 1: very obvious that APEC is taking place. There's also been

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Speaker 2: That probably doesn't have a chopper upperhead as well.

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Speaker 1: No, exactly. Well, that was the only chopper that we saw,

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Speaker 2: Well lucky you didn't save any of that Korean fried

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Speaker 2: chicken in your media bag or Zaria.

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