1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: Slight short week for some of the country anyway, because 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: of the anniversary day for a chunk of the North 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Island yesterday. So the Prime Minister Cristala Luxen is with 4 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: us this Tuesday morning. 5 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, Mike. 6 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: When are we We'll get straight to the mount when 7 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: we are we expecting some sort of package assistance from 8 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: the government the people who are you know, the cafes 9 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: that can't open, so on and so forth, the areas 10 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: of the country that are cut off. 11 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: Are we expecting something from you guys today? 12 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 3: Yes, We're going to have a cabinet meeting this morning 13 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 3: and at that meeting we'll discuss about the funding and 14 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 3: support that we need immediately to get flowing and out 15 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 3: the door. Essentially what's happened through the course of mid 16 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 3: to late you know, over the weekend, there's really the 17 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 3: focus has been on the response and now it moves 18 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 3: to the recovery. And it's part of that. The meres 19 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 3: that we've all met Worth have sort of got goods, 20 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 3: are doing the assessment of actually what's needed. In some ways, 21 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 3: you know, there's damage everywhere, but there's actually it's localized 22 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 3: to some really serious and deep damage in spaces and 23 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: each region is actually slightly different. So if you look 24 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: at State Highway thirty five, there's some really massive challenges 25 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 3: there and certainly roading challenges getting in and out of Gisbon. 26 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 3: If you go up to Thames Crimental, similar rain road 27 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 3: network rating resilience, but obviously Tadano is a different challenge 28 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 3: with Mount Mongoanoui there as well. 29 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: So we'll look at all. 30 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 3: Of those things and it will be a continually evolving 31 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 3: piece as well, where there we need to be more 32 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 3: and more money supporting it. But initially we'll have a 33 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: plan about what we want to do in the short term. 34 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: Roughly, are we dealing with tens of millions, hundreds of millions. 35 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: There's some very big roading projects you know that we'll 36 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 3: need to work through how we digest that. You know, 37 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: there will be hundreds I suspect, But the rest of it, 38 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: you know, in some ways, Mike, you know, it hit 39 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 3: on coastal areas and it hit some very It actually 40 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 3: hammered some small communities and made them very isolated from 41 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: other parts and main centers, and you know, some of them, 42 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 3: if I go up north, there's a slip in a 43 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: bridge that really if we repair those that would make 44 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: a hell of a difference. There there's a need for 45 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 3: some transitional housing support in some of these remote communities, 46 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: particularly in State Highway thirty five, particularly also in Northland 47 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: as well. You know, those are quite manageable expenses. But 48 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you know, we will 49 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 3: spend what we need to spend and we'll work with 50 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 3: the councils to do that. But it's we're building a 51 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 3: good picture of what's needed. 52 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: Good as regards the mount the cafes, the businesses, et cetera. 53 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: Is insurance is insurance expected to be held by these 54 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: businesses or is this on the government. 55 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. It's something we're going to discuss at 56 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 3: cabinet today as to where there's any support that we 57 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 3: can offer there as well. Again, it's quite a localized set. 58 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: I was aware of a i think a four square 59 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: up on State Highway thirty five frankly that had also 60 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 3: done in some incredible work but was now quite isolated 61 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 3: and was actually gone over and above helping people on 62 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 3: the ground in the community as well. So you know, 63 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 3: we'll look at that. But it's not like a mass 64 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 3: COVID period where you know, there's it's everybody, and it's 65 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: and it's for a long period of time. It's very localized, 66 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 3: and so you know, we can do very targeted support 67 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: and we'll let's discuss that in Kevent today as well. 68 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 2: We're all the question. 69 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: I talked to Mark about it briefly last week. I 70 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: think it's Chris Pinky's doing it the surely we were 71 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: at the point now there are bits of New Zealand 72 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: where you've got to ask some very serious, long term, 73 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: big picture questions, don't you. 74 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: Well, one of the things we're doing is going to 75 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 3: generate a flood plan by the end of the year, 76 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 3: and I think that will be very helpful for New 77 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 3: Zealanders and councils and local government, regional authorities to sort 78 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 3: of be really clear about where the risk actually sits 79 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 3: across the whole of the country. We do need. It's 80 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: interesting we did State Highway twenty five on the corimandal 81 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 3: that held up really well. We're building a hawks By Expressway. 82 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 2: It's twice as. 83 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 3: Resilient to flood damage as what previous road was. So 84 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 3: you know, as we do upgrade our network, it's also 85 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: making sure we do quality work that actually you know 86 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 3: as more resilient as we go forward. 87 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: But you know, you're right. 88 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: We've got a country the size of Great Britain Japan. 89 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: We've got five million people on it, We've got lots 90 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: of isolated communities, and you know, it's certainly challenging digesting 91 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: the investment we need in the road in network. But 92 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 3: you know, we know there are major pieces that we 93 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: do need to upgrade in order to support towns in 94 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 3: the right way. 95 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: Trump's border piece, how seriously are you considering this? 96 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: Look, we have to digest quite a bit there. It 97 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 3: might take us a little bit. But I received a letter. 98 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 3: It came with a charter. We need to understand exactly 99 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 3: what's in that charter. I think we need to think through, 100 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 3: you know, what's the incremental value add we would bring 101 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 3: to something like that. You know, we've had a lot 102 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 3: of focus as you know, in the last two years 103 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 3: and the end of Pacific region for ourselves. So that's 104 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 3: where our energies have been going into. And so we 105 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 3: need to have a decent, good conversation and consideration of 106 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 3: it all, which we'll do in the coming weeks. 107 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: I read an interesting piece the other day about the 108 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: Americans increasingly concerned about the Chinese and they're looking to 109 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: redo their deals with patients like the marshals, etc. And 110 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: so they want to be more active in this region. 111 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: Would it be who of us to be on the 112 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: right side of the Trump administration given the role of 113 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: the Chinese in the Pacific, Well. 114 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 3: We actually, as our conversations with the Americans has been 115 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 3: that we want you to stay really engaged in the Pacific. 116 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 3: You know, you are a Pacific nation yourselves, and you know, 117 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 3: we think it's a good thing having American presence the region. 118 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: And obviously they have anything about Micronesia and Pillower and 119 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: places like that, where they have bases and where they 120 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 3: have your communities and territories. Essentially, we think it's a 121 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 3: good thing if they can stay engaged in the Pacific 122 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: as well. But we also acknowledge that we also have 123 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 3: to step up, and that's what you've seen us been 124 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 3: doing even before recent events. You know, we've said, look, 125 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 3: the Indo Pacific's our future. It's where our security sits, 126 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: it's where our economic prosperity sits. We need to deepen 127 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 3: the relationships with everybody. That's why we've upgraded the comprehensis 128 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 3: tragic partnerships, doing the FTAs, getting rid of about tariff barriers, 129 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 3: all of those common sense sort of things to make 130 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 3: sure we're more relevant and engage in the region. 131 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: What you will read on the board is the board 132 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: to replace the un ultimately or is it something completely separate? 133 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: Not sure, it's a little unclear just from you know, 134 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 3: first glance through it all. But we will go through 135 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 3: that in some detail and discuss that. 136 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: And what's your gut as you sit here, Yeah, it's to. 137 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 3: Be honest, it's genuinely hard to work out. You know. 138 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 3: Originally it was pitched as a Gaza proposition. It looks 139 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 3: like it's been pitched with passing a time or something 140 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 3: more broader about picking up dealing with conflicts all over 141 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 3: the world. So we just need to understand exactly and 142 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 3: there we need to be some discourse. And I mentioned 143 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 3: with the Americans around that. 144 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: The who comments from Peter's is that genuine or is 145 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: that electioneering? 146 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 3: Well, from my point of view, it's pretty fair to 147 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 3: ask questions on the performance of global institutions. I think 148 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: many of them are not nearly as effective as they 149 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 3: should or can be. I just say on who they 150 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 3: play a key role. Actually and improving health outcomes certainly 151 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 3: around the world, but it's most importantly we see it 152 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 3: quite closely on the Pacific Islands. I think New Zealand 153 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 3: continues to benefit from being part of the World Health Organization. 154 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: Doesn't preclude us from challenging them to be much more efficient, 155 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 3: more effective, more focused on what they're doing. We're our 156 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 3: spending with WHO from memories about I think it's about 157 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: one point two million this year. Sometimes it goes up 158 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 3: to four million. So but we do partner really well 159 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 3: with them in the Pacific region. If you think about 160 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: the measles outbreak where it got away on Samoa, who 161 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 3: came in after the event and really helped strengthen and 162 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 3: get a really good primary public health response to the 163 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 3: measles outbreak which was incredibly damaging and some are at 164 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 3: that time. So I think it's a good you know, 165 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 3: we want to continue that association, We want to continue 166 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: our membership there. But we're quite as we are doing 167 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 3: arrange across a number of global institutions saying hey, listen, 168 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 3: these things. These institutions have to evolve, they have to change, 169 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 3: they have to keep innovating, they have to be very focused, 170 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 3: they have to be effective and efficient. 171 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: This housing one twenty thing. When's it coming? The change 172 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: very shortly. 173 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 3: It'll be a matter of weeks. We've been working our 174 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 3: way through that, and we'll also work that through with 175 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: the council as well at the same time, so that 176 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 3: we can hopefully both come out together with a solution. 177 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: How radical is the change? Is it off? 178 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: He'll thank goodness for that? Or is it a nuanced approach? 179 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 3: No? I think people will be relieved that there's actually 180 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 3: some sensibility there. It's essentially, as we've talked before, it's 181 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 3: how much densification do you do in the CBD area 182 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: over transport hubs? What are you doing in Greenfield's developments? 183 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: And then you know what the balance looked like across 184 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 3: the across the existing city in the suburbs. And but well, 185 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 3: we'll have more to say about that very shortly. 186 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: Okay, explain this to me, Bremen RB. She says what 187 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: she said about the you know about Powe and so on. 188 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: Is she independent or not? 189 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 3: No? 190 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: She is independent and I can't she say whatever she want? Well, 191 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 2: she can? And well why are you telling her off? No, 192 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: we're not. 193 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: We're just saying she she could have sought advice, should 194 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 3: have sought advice and certainly had a discussion with a minute. 195 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: Well she independent or not she is, and whatever the advice, 196 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 3: she doesn't have. 197 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: To take advice. She can do whatever she likes. 198 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 3: No, I just think it would be good to have 199 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 3: take some advice, and if she got the advice, it's 200 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: her independent decision to determine what she wanted to do. 201 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: But what advice would she have got it? 202 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 3: She should have engaged the Foreign Affairs and she could 203 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 3: have talked to the Minister of Foreign Minister of Finance 204 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 3: and given her heads up as to what was going 205 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 3: on there. But look, from my point of view, she's 206 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 3: completely free to do whatever she wanted to do around 207 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 3: that leader. 208 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: That's a bit smudgye to me that she's either independent. 209 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: If she's not, she needs to talk to Nicolab. But 210 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: she can do whatever she likes. 211 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 3: Nash is fully independent and by their own admission, I 212 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: think it's been overblowing. All that she needed to do 213 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: is have a quick chat with the minister, maybe get 214 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: some advice from Foreign Affairs. Wouldn't have been unwise, but 215 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 3: whatever that advice was, it was completely her decision to make. 216 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: I support that first prediction for election year from you, please, 217 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: does top make the Parliament or not? 218 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 3: Oh well they got new leadership, they send even new focused, 219 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 3: new energy. I don't think so, to be honest, I 220 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 3: think there's a lot of micro parties out there at 221 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 3: the moment that you know, we don't know who they 222 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 3: are and what they're really about and seeing much of 223 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 3: their propositional manifesto. 224 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: All right, nice to talk to you, appreciate it. 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