1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Mental health. The Mental Health Foundation wants the cops to 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: keep going to mental health callouts for a little bit longer. 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: At the moment, police are changing their policies in conjunction 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: with health officials. The plan is only half working though 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: police aren't responding to as many callouts, but no other 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: service has yet been set up to replace them, so 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: there's a gap. According to the Mental Health Foundation, at 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: least Matt Doocey is the Mental Health Minister with me now, Minister, 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: good afternoon, afternoon, Ryan, is there a gap. 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 2: At the moment. We've got two things underway and quite 11 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: often they're getting conflated. We've got to shift from a 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: police led Triple one response to a multi agency response. 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 2: What that means is that in your time of mental 14 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 2: health crisis, when you call Triple one, quite often you're 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: getting a criminal justice response, not a mental health response. 16 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: And so the government's committed to rolling out more mental 17 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 2: health coresponse teams. That's a four to five year pro 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: based on what we saw in the United Kingdom with 19 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: the humber Side model, so we're going to be building 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 2: out those response teams over time. What we also have 21 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: is the Police Mental Health Change Program. These are about 22 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: changes in the emergency department. The first change November last 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 2: year was about streamlining voluntary handovers. 24 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: Come up and then I hate to interrupt you. I 25 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: hate to interrupt you, but the question was quite simple. 26 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: Is there a gap between the things that you're describing? 27 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: Is there a gap between what the health officials are 28 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: hoping to respond to and what the police have stopped 29 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: responding to. 30 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: Well, that's why I'm saying, Ryan. Quite often those two 31 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 2: work programs get conflated with the police change program. That 32 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: is about the handing over in emergency departments. That's about 33 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: standard operating procedures that have been worked on. Now the 34 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: response I get when I go into emergency departments, they're 35 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: telling me that the relationship has going good. They actually 36 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: welcome the joined up working clear roles and responsibility. 37 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: So I know you want to assure people, but you're 38 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: at the moment you're not making sense. So let's just 39 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: back the train up for a second. So is there 40 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: any work that police are not going to be doing 41 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: that they used to? 42 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: No? Well, quite often now when people call Triple one 43 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 2: for a mental health crisis, sometimes they sadly don't get 44 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: a response. Sometimes they get a police lead response and 45 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: we've been piloting mental health coresponse teams. In years to come, 46 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: we would like to see mental health teams go out 47 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: in that time of urgency, so that will be built 48 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 2: out over it. 49 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, nothing's changed. Police are still doing 50 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: exactly as they always have. 51 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so police have been very clear if there's a 52 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: risk to the individual or people around them, they will 53 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: be going out. So nothing has changed. But what is 54 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: also happening at the same time and quite often, is that. 55 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: Only if there's a risk. Has that changed? Was it 56 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: only if there's a risk to their life? 57 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: Now police are still going out. Sadly in New Zealand, 58 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: sometimes people call Triple one and don't get a response. 59 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 2: So that's why we're building out that long term program 60 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: where it gets conflated, and this is my point RNs. 61 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: There is the Police Mental Health Change Program that is 62 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: about streamlining handovers and emergency departments. Started off in November 63 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: with the voluntary handing over and a few weeks time 64 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: they'll move to a sixty minute handover. That is about 65 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: prioritizing people so when they go into emergency departments. Quite 66 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: often the feedback to me is people with mental health issues. 67 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: So they don't want to sit in emergency departments with 68 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: police officers sitting there with tasers. They want a mental 69 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: health response and that's what we're working on. 70 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: Right, So what's the Mental Health Foundation on about? Then? 71 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: I think that their wires cross completely, haven't they. I 72 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: mean they're saying there's a gap and you're saying there's 73 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: no gap at all. In fact, police are doing absolutely 74 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: nothing different. 75 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is my point. I think at times 76 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: people are getting the two programs conflated. There is a 77 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 2: need for better mental health response. That's while we're building 78 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: out the co response teams. But the change program is 79 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: just better streamlining of handovers in the emergency department. 80 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: All right, Monster, appreciate your time. It's Matt Doucer, who's 81 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: the Mental Health Minister. 82 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 2: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to 83 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 84 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.