WEBVTT - EP 39 - Shepherds Reign 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:06.200 The Flavor Podcast Network Island Roots Auckland Ways. 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:08.800 This one's for the Brown brothers and sisters who want 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:13.480 to be one with themselves, their culture, their identity, their roots. 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:21.920 This is Island Roots Auckland Ways'll love. 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:24.960 The man less we who welcome back to Island Roots 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:28.160 Auckland Ways. How oh this week Mariner? 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:32.600 Yeah, man, very good, thank you because we had spoken 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:38.640 with Shepherd's ragin funny as these. 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.319 Guys are funny but also extremely talented. You can tell 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:44.120 that they really really love their work, very passionate, which 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:48.519 I feel like it r like sorry, fubbed out, rubbed 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:51.400 off on me because now I'm like wanting to reflect 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.120 on our journey Mariner, and I'm wanting to like, you know, 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.520 it was just so cool to hear about the individual 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.880 experiences but then also they collective experience. Yeah, what did 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:02.800 you take from it? Mas? 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:04.200 Learning more about Middle. 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:08.200 Literally, because I feel like we have a misconception about 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:13.000 Middle that it's just like ah, but like the episode, 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.000 the only Middle that I've ever listened to really is 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:17.080 Shepherd's Rain. Apart from maybe when I was trying to 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:18.640 be like cool in high school, I think I listened 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:20.920 to trying to be deaf, you know, like not like 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:24.240 other girls, but Sheeper's Train and songs like Ainger and 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:29.000 Afana as such powerful messages about like culture. But I 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.039 think like the tone and intensity of Meddle can sometimes 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:35.039 put people off. But She's Rain has something really cool, 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:39.120 like the visuals and the lyrics and the culture like 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.240 middle culture and someone culture coming. 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.920 Together, one of one, one of the only one. 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:49.520 And listen to that one right now. And welcome back 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:51.960 to Alan roots Auckland. Why it's joining us now? Joseph 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:58.680 and Feeley from Shepherd's Rain. Hello, how are we this morning? 0:01:59.480 --> 0:01:59.880 For a good? 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:00.480 Yeah? 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:01.200 Good? Thank you? 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:03.840 We're We're alive, We're awaken, We're here, Okay. 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:05.720 We were talking about this off Mike. You guys meet 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:07.800 to Norway to perform? 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:09.760 How is that good? 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:15.760 An amazing experience? Heaps of fun, meeting heaps of cool people. 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.760 The Norwegian people are really kind. 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.840 And really friendly, friendly, very welcoming. 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:22.840 Yeah. 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:24.600 How long are you guys in Norway for? 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:31.600 We were there for five days? Yeah yeah, total five days? Short? 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:38.120 And how does it compare to the paradise that money? 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:41.919 I don't know. I wouldn't call that a paradise. 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:45.760 Shot fire. I was waiting for. 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:50.240 It was nice. 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.120 You know, ice caps on the mountains like mangy. 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:55.440 And yes. 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:00.880 Outside and it looks like a painting that's so kind 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:01.440 to you. 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.280 Just like, oh, exactly, okay? 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.120 Are you guys live like the worst people? 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:06.440 Really? 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:13.360 Boys? 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.840 Every episode we share what we love about home. So 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:18.639 what is home to you? Whether that's where you currently live, 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.480 where you may fly to or travel to to feel 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:25.680 like home. It can be somewhere that you don't actually 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.200 physically reside in or have been to, but it feels 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:29.640 like home. 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:31.280 What is home and what do you love about it? 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.760 We'll start off first, and what I love about home 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:37.440 this week is taking my little sister to school. 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:38.000 I am the. 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:42.040 Eldest child of our family, so I hold kind of 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:46.440 like that parental responsibility A and I have always kind 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.000 of felt like because me and my sister we have 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.480 a fourteen year age gap, so I truly do feel 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.600 like her parent. She's nine years old, I'm twenty three, 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.119 and so little things like taking her to school, being 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.560 able to shout us a feed after school, taking her 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:05.119 to do her errands, it makes me feel closer to home. 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.839 And I don't actually live with her, but whenever I'm 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:09.040 doing those little things with her. 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:10.640 It makes me feel like I'm right at home. 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.840 It's lovely nice. Well, I love about home this week. 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:20.800 Obviously money Doer is home, I would say, I mean 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:28.920 all the best people from Allegedly. I can't really pinpoint 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:31.520 like one specific thing, but I've been going on a 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:33.880 lot of runs around Rewaar and just there's so many 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.240 different spots that just like mean a lot to me, 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.600 like certain dairies where I would go like after school, 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.280 or just certain spots, and I think there's like, really, 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.560 it's such like a cool The fact that I still 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.480 live where I've grown up and can still like attribute 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.880 that those kind of like nostalgic memories and then create 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.240 new ones in those spaces is really cool to me. 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.760 So I just think I just love all of freewe Yep, Yeah, 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:56.920 what do you guys love about home? 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.480 Exactly what she said? 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:10.320 I think, Oh, that's a tough one. I think home. 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.520 Home for me is more of a place where I 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:18.520 can just go somewhere, somewhere where I can go and 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:22.919 just relax, you know, somewhere where I don't have to 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:24.960 worry about anything. I don't have to worry about work, 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.640 I don't have to worry about studying, so somewhere where 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:29.200 I can just relax, pull my feet up and just 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.440 do nothing, no worries at all. 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:40.080 Rest home for me is obviously Mangani. 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:46.080 Mai used to be exist. 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.960 I always make that distinction because Mangoi East is very 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.679 different from Mangedi Central, very different from Mangoi Bridge. 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:55.160 Yeah that's right. 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.960 So I currently live in Mugiti Central, but I was 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.760 born and raised in among the East on Yates Road, 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:06.000 and I call that home because that's where I was 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.000 born and raised. But I think on the weekend I 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.640 was really good seeing I took my son over and 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.800 we went to see mom and hung out there for 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:17.560 the weekend. Had go right, you're there, and so it's 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:21.680 always good to be back where I grew up, spent 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:25.719 most of the years of my life, and my father 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.440 recently passed earlier this year, so it was always good 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:34.320 to be at home where you can remember things they 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.120 used to do with that after that I used to 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.560 do with dead and yeah, all of it, all that 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:40.159 cool stuff. 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:41.000 It's so special. 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.919 It's always good going home for cornati because it's soul food. 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.920 M Absolutely I love that. 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.240 Well, you two are from Shepherd's Reign, which is just 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:55.000 an incredible I think the Shepard's Rain copaper and it 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:59.240 was just so awesome. It's like the taking of like 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:05.080 this music that isn't necessarily attributed to someone or brown, 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.320 or music that comes out yeah Pacific music, and then 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:13.000 putting this stamp on it, like making music and someone 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.280 I don't know. It's just so cool. I love the 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.320 co paper. I would love to know how you all 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:20.680 met and connected and then also what was have you 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.880 always been like Middle fans? Was that initially? What made 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.800 you Kineicks? Please tell us all about Oh. 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.400 I'll start off, I'm the latest member of the group. 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.680 And how I got into the group was Oliver, who's 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.480 our guitarist, and he was my teacher at high school 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.080 at Monday to or Hi and when I was when 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.040 I was about sixteen, he came to me and he 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:50.000 was like, oh, because sorry, I'll restart. I was in 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:53.120 one of the practice rooms in Rewa and he was 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:54.760 just walking by and you heard me playing some metal 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.360 because growing up with Middle I love to play it 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:03.480 and nice. Yeah, and I'm an original guitarists okay and 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:07.720 yeah that's foul. And he came through and he was like, oh, 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:09.960 do you want to come play bass with my band? 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.600 And I was like, bass basis think. 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:19.360 No bass on about He's like, oh the spots open, 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.520 you know, and yeah and hit. But the thing is 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:24.480 I was sixteen and he had to wait till I 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:26.960 was eighteen, so I was legal to play in the 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:31.560 bars or yeah, and yeah. As soon as I turned eighteen, 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:33.240 he hit me up again and he goes, oh, we 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.280 haven't practiced tonight. You want to come through? And then yeah, 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:41.199 he came through with all the boys and yeah, restless history. 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:44.160 You know. This was back in twenty nineteen, was when 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:44.800 I first started. 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.960 Okay, so you came around to the idea of playing 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:51.480 bass and yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.680 Had you had any experience playing bass or only guitar? 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.599 I did in twenty seventeen. I was playing bass for 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.960 Oh sorry, I think it was twenty sixteen. I was 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.120 playing bass for a band and we were in Tongue 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.280 in too beats. Oh yeah, love and yeah that was 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:08.600 like the only experience I had. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:12.040 Yeah, so I supposed going into the band. You're eighteen, 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.720 you're part of this group. Yeah, what are you feeling? 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:17.600 Is it good to get amos? 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:18.080 Yeah? 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:19.240 Yeah, it always is. 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:20.840 You know, I've always wanted to be a part of 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.120 a middle band ever since I was young. So yeah, 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:25.319 going through high school, no one, no one's, no one 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.559 else was into middle you know. Everyone else was playing 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:31.960 in the reggae, which I absolute absolutely love, but yeah, 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.400 middle was more my kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, so 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:40.360 it was real good up until mid these guys and yeah, 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:45.200 everything else was. I just felt like a perfect. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:49.080 Me and aur guitarist Oliver started in two thousand and eight, 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:54.120 and then we went through heaps of heaps of different 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:59.320 musicians to fill in them spots for the band. Later 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.559 on found out drummer. I think it was in that 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:06.240 same year or maybe two thousand and nine. I asked 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.600 Oliver if he had a drummer, and he said that 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.360 he knows of someone that went to Odahu College with him. 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:13.160 They both went out who College. 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.600 So that's why I met where I met Shaman, and 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.240 so me, Oliver and Shaman have been together since. 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:19.920 Two thousand and nine. 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.800 Wow, and he's still our drummer now and Oliver is 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:26.800 still guitar. Went through a lot of different bass players 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:31.480 and guitarists and it wasn't until two thousand and fourteen 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:35.680 fifteen and fifteen twenty fifteen, we met Goody and who's 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.320 our other guitarist who's now a part of the part 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.040 of the band as well. And then yeah, like Joe City, 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:45.679 he's the newest member of the band. We've all been 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:49.960 listening to Middle for most of our lives. I started, 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:54.760 I was the typical someone in South Aakland, listening to 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.480 everything from regae to gangster rapp. 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:02.160 The church music. So I was I was normal, like 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:03.319 every other Polynesian. 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:07.200 But it wasn't. It was maybe I was five years old, 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.760 six years old where I saw Guns and Roses on TV, 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:18.559 on Juice TV. I can't yes, yes, yeah, that was 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:24.120 really cool. That's when Juice we're playing genres everything, Yeah, 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.880 playing everything. I think I think we're at two thousands 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.160 or maybe later started being just. 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.120 Pops off top forty songs. 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.520 But back then they were playing everything from rock to 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.079 yeah to pop, all of it, every genre. 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:40.679 So I fell in love with Guns and Roses. 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:44.160 And I started playing a classical piano when I was seven, 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:52.040 and the two pretty much just intertwine. So Middle and 0:11:52.320 --> 0:12:01.240 classical music really similar and in music theory, so if 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:04.520 you were to play a classical piece, and you just 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:08.319 added distortion or like you know, on the ap at 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.199 distortion and things like that, it will sound like a middle, 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.040 like a middle idea. 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.599 So it's pretty it's pretty funny how music works. Yeah, 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:20.360 and yeah, I loved the middle ever since. 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:25.440 How accommodating was the New Zealand music space to Shepherd's 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.680 Rai when it started? So two thousand and eight, how 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.200 was it for you guys Auckland? 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.880 Ways for the Brown brothers and sisters who want to 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:41.280 be one with themselves, their culture, their identity, This is 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:42.760 Island roots Auckland. 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:48.160 We we did Elvis, but with what you had. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.240 none of us said any experience. And then the music scene, 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:53.760 we just knew that we loved the middle and we 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.680 wanted to make middle songs and we wanted to play 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:57.560 in front of people. 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:03.280 So the Pacific side. 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.120 Of things, nothing, nothing happened, but there was more of 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:11.640 the the local bars that play rock and the middle. 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:13.480 Those guys helped us out. 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.520 So we played at the spark called ding Dong Lounge, 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.040 and we started just a little gigs. 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.559 You know, we were playing in front of like two 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:22.640 people through. 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.800 But back then as teenagers were you know, we'll go 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:33.439 to band practice and end up getting wasted. Yeah, typical, 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:37.880 typical young young men. So we'd go and make songs 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:41.040 and and get wasted, go to the gigs already hammered. 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:52.800 Flex spots like seventy years that's like blue kind of. 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.320 So yeah, we yeah, I think every bend starts off 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:02.800 like that, and it's that cool experience that you get, 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.280 and it's cool to think about it now that we're 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:10.120 much more professional, and so looking back at it, I 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.760 think I don't regret it. I don't regret everything we did. 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:14.240 We life experience. 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.360 Yeah, so we went. 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:17.160 Through hell and beck. 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:24.520 We did. Now we're received. Actually, no, it's about twenty 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:30.160 eighteen we started getting recognized, especially from the Pacific community, 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:35.080 and we're grateful. Yeah, yea very grateful that. You know, 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.880 they don't look at us as these guys are just 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.440 middle heads being idiots in the music. 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:46.080 They actually they love us, and obviously it shows with. 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:51.160 Awards that we've won, the nominations that we've gotten received. 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:53.360 So yeah, very proud of it. 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:57.120 There must be so many misunderstandings or misconceptions about the 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:00.000 middle genre, though, right, Like, what is it that you guys, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.160 I just love about it that you think other people 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:03.280 should know. 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:04.880 Yeah, that's a good question. 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:11.680 I think if anything kind, Oh how do you put this? 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:15.120 It's more of it seems able to like dive deeper 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.560 into the song. You know, it might sound angry, but 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:20.960 if you really look into how we're writing our music 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:24.360 and a lot of our lyrics that Philly writes, it's 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.880 really about family, about someone heritage. 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:28.080 Yeah, you know we love that. 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:29.680 We're trying to split that across the world. 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:34.000 Yeah, I love nothing. That's one of my favorites. Like, 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.360 I'm not a huge middle head myself. I say the 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.880 only middle as it's right, But when I listen to 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.880 nothing to it, I'm locks just like like feeling within 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.600 me as you know, it's you sound more like the 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:50.800 sense of strength and like someone, Yeah someone someone as 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:55.400 well Like that is so special and even songs like 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.920 I Inger are so like powerful lyrically. But I feel 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.400 like maybe the tone and the ta today might not 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.920 necessarily scare people off, But I personally think it's really 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.480 cool that there are just so many ways and iterations 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:08.920 of what it means to be some war now with 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:12.320 all this like cool new music coming out. When you 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:16.280 first started creating music with Shipard's rain. Were you writing 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.280 in Simon then or was that just something that happened 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:18.760 over time. 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:23.520 That's something that happened over time. At the very beginning, 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:27.960 I had an idea to start off our set with 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:32.680 a someone intro, and I kind of brought up the 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.920 idea but it just vanished, just died sort of thing. 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:39.800 But it wasn't until It wasn't until twenty sixteen or 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:48.240 seventeen the making of Lemanu, and I was trying to 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.200 figure out some words to put into it. At that time, 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.480 I was playing the bass, so it wasn't in it. 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:57.960 So I was recording the bassline and it came time 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:01.640 to write lyrics and I wanted something real powerful. But 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:05.600 then writing in English, you couldn't find anything. There's nothing 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.320 that shuits the song or this this rhythm that we 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:13.440 have and then no ship. This is a true story. 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:14.119 Yeah, I was. 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.919 I was sleeping and I woke up. 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.960 For some reason, the Sundone civer toe was in my head. 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:20.439 Okay. 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:25.200 I was like, man, I don't know why I was 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.440 in my head, but I ended up singing the cever 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.240 towel with that beat and it just went perfect, and 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:31.679 I was like, boys, I think I got it. 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.679 You must have been dreaming about playing some rugby or. 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:38.800 No idea. 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.159 But yeah, Oliver was cracking up love. He was like, 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:45.560 so I go, let's start again, stuff from the top, 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:47.800 and I'll sing and and and just tell me if 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:48.359 you guys like this. 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:53.400 And then I did civer toe and everyone's like, oh man, 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:54.200 what what was that? 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.640 Yeah, I think I've got a lyrics So the first 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.200 versus the civ toe and and I just had to 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:05.440 make an extended vision for the seconds and the chorus, 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:06.639 and that, man. 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:11.240 Didn't work. Yeah, that's a begger. I wanted to ask. 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:15.160 So, when you're performing to your audiences, many of whom 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:19.360 probably aren't basufical or are aware of the cultural nuance 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.159 and the lyricism of your work, Like, what what is 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:26.880 the response? What reception are you getting from your audience? 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:30.440 Are they just hyped that they're hearing like this new thing, 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:31.520 these new things? 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:32.240 Definitely? 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:38.919 M Yeah, you're right. So there's this majority of uh, 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:44.480 you know, Blongese, majority of Bilongese, and I think it's 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.840 probably one of the most heartwarming feelings when you're you're 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:51.200 singing and you can actually see them yeah miming your words, 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.920 and these guys I think there was a gig we 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.960 had and it may have been in Wellington and it 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.720 was all these white people and they're also and I 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.080 could hear them over myself that was coming out of 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:06.600 the fold backs, and I was I was real proud. Yeah, 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:08.520 I saw some someone flags on the side. 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:10.200 That's so cool. 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:11.920 Best feeling feeling. 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:14.879 Do you have a favorite gig that you've played. 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:19.480 Like, yeah, yeah, I think favorite one would definitely be 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:21.480 this year would be Sparkling. 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:21.880 Yeah. 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:25.360 Yeah, that was a huge gig. 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:27.960 I admire that camaraderie and that kind of culture of 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:30.360 generosity within the middle community. 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:30.919 That's awesome. 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:31.600 Oh they're great. 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:35.200 The middle community is probably one of the kindest, nicest 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.879 people that you'll ever meet. Yeah, it's real funny. 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.680 I'm one of my friends came to l Wellington show 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.480 and she's never been to a middle gig before and 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:47.120 she goes, oh my god, this what she doesn't sound 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:47.320 like that. 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:54.000 But oh my dad, oh my gosh. 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.800 You guys, Oh my god, like your you guys people 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:02.800 she goes to, your guys people are so kind. 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:08.399 I thought they were like what, like, I don't know, 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.439 and then it's just like yes, like these people were 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:21.200 just asking. 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:24.119 If I was okay someone because there was as there 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:25.879 was a circle put going on, you know when they 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:26.399 go crazy. 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:31.240 Yeah, that was about to start. And uh one guy 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:35.800 saw her standing there and then he like quarter back 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:36.720 and she was like what are you doing? 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:37.320 And he was like. 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:42.520 Yeah, and sure enough she. 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:44.159 Was standing there and then she saw everything going on. 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:47.320 She's like, okay, okay, these people are really kind and 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:51.840 I like I like them that. She said that middle 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:53.800 people because a lot of people think, you know, all 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:55.720 blackdown or gothic looking, and then. 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:57.840 Ye must be like. 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:03.960 Yeah, yeah, Marilyn man, it's. 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:07.760 Very very man. 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:09.520 What did David individualists? 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:12.600 Kind of Yeah, that is so cool. 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:20.920 Recently you've kind of popped off so like your social 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:24.879 media on so many views, heaps of interactions. 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:28.680 Shout out to Queen Loud. 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:33.320 Mass louw we meet in Uni, so we did our 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:37.200 business degrees together. And yeah, she's always been one to 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:38.520 support local music. 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:40.240 She's good like that. 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:43.440 Yeah, she is like hearty for everyone, no matter what 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:45.680 genre you are, She's going to give you the same 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:50.000 amount of love. Was it kind of overwhelming getting all 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:53.280 this interaction on social media because I'm talking Instagram, TikTok 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:59.200 everywhere YouTube, people like, millions of yous like and pretty 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:01.760 much all came out one to be honest, Yeah, yeah, 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.480 I don't know. Just there you guys going to social media. 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:10.280 What's the relationship. 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.320 That's why we got That's where wet when we got at. 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:17.479 Yeah, did you guys get connected? 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:23.879 I made her last years it's gonna it's gonna with. 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:24.960