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Speaker 1: Heather do for Sea Ellen all right?

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Speaker 2: So Destiny Church leaders Brian and Hannah Tamaki have been

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Speaker 2: in court today for allegedly breaking the big Auckland lockdown

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty one. Now, if you cast your mind back,

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Speaker 2: you'll remember the Tamaki's held those protests in the Auckland

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Speaker 2: domain in October and November of twenty twenty one, when

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Speaker 2: the biggest city in the country is supposed to be

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Speaker 2: under lockdown. There are a couple of other defendants also

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Speaker 2: facing charges. Steve Cullen is a criminal lawyer with us. Now, hey, Steve, Oh, hi, Heather, Steve,

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Speaker 2: isn't worth our time and our money to be pursuing

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Speaker 2: something three years later when there aren't lockdowns anymore.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hate you, and that we're a bit between

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Speaker 1: a rock and a hard place. Because if delay meant

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Speaker 1: that charges weren't pursued, then of course everybody would delay.

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Speaker 1: And we do have cases of historical fraud and historical seats.

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Speaker 1: But this listit of generous guidelines would be applied to this.

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Speaker 1: One would think that you have to have a good

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Speaker 1: close look at it and as says, whether it's viable

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Speaker 1: to carry on or not. I don't really want to

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Speaker 1: comment any more than that.

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Speaker 2: No, I take your point at the point I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to make, because the difference between this and any standard

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Speaker 2: delay is that if you rape somebody and then try

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Speaker 2: to delay it, a rape is still a rape is

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Speaker 2: a crime many many years later. But at the moment

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Speaker 2: it's a bit different with this, isn't it, Because we're

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Speaker 2: not doing the lockdowns anymore, are we.

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Speaker 1: That's right, And one would think they'd take a look

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Speaker 1: out the gravity of the situation now with hindsight, but

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Speaker 1: I suppose they can't. They have to deal with it

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Speaker 1: on the basis of the out was viewed at the time,

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Speaker 1: and to take a really strict approach. If you take

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Speaker 1: somebody flouting public orders when it's in the interests of

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Speaker 1: the nation and then the interests of delf, that's got

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Speaker 1: to be viewed seriously.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can know what's the argument, because there's no

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Speaker 2: disputing that they were there. We saw them with our

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Speaker 2: own eyes. So why are they fighting this?

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Speaker 1: Well, one would think they're very commident and experience counsel there.

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Speaker 1: With mister mantil Casey, one would think he's either got

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Speaker 1: a very good legal or technical point. He could be

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Speaker 1: arguing under the Bill of Right Seck that they had

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Speaker 1: freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, or he made and

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Speaker 1: be trying to say that there's some challenge to the

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Speaker 1: legislation that excluded people from forming public gathering. So we'll

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Speaker 1: all be watching them the brief to see what the

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Speaker 1: argument is and see how well it progresses.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. It's gonna fascinating. Hey, thank you, Steve.

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Speaker 2: Steve Cullen, criminal lawyer.

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