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Speaker 1: First, we've got to talk about the old perennial issue

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Speaker 1: of the All Blacks doing the hakker, because that's come

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Speaker 1: up again, isn't it. English prop Joe Marler is tweeted

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Speaker 1: the hakker needs binning. It's ridiculous. Joining us now with

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Speaker 1: his thoughts on this, as former All Blacks coach Laurie Mains.

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Speaker 2: Laurie the how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm very well, thank you. What do you reckon about

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Speaker 1: what he's had to say?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll be serious for a minute. The harker is

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Speaker 2: a long standing tradition with the All Blacks. It's appreciated

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Speaker 2: by the players and usually by the crowds, and more importantly,

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Speaker 2: it represents our multi cultural rugby society.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and now, if you're not being serious, who would.

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Speaker 2: Want to take any offense at what Joe Marler says?

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Speaker 2: After all, he's a front row prop and he wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have a clue where the harker stands in New Zealand rugby.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fair point. Actually, he made an interesting point.

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Speaker 1: I just wonder if he's got a point on this

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Speaker 1: one where he said it's only really interesting when the

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Speaker 1: opposing team offers some sort of response and that, to

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Speaker 1: be honest, Laurie, is the bit that I like. I

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Speaker 1: like to see what they've got to say for themselves.

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Speaker 1: He has he got a point there.

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Speaker 2: Yes he has, and that they I mean the in

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Speaker 2: the true to tradition of the harker. You know that

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Speaker 2: Maory was one Mary would one tribe would do his harker,

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Speaker 2: the other tribe would do theirs, and then they were

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Speaker 2: into it. So if teams want to organize a response

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Speaker 2: the harker, I'm with them all the way. Now, Laura,

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Speaker 2: won't they won't be as fearsome as our harker.

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Speaker 1: This is true? Is there is it possible that we

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Speaker 1: are overdoing it now that we have so many international tests?

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Speaker 1: You know, back in the day we didn't really and

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Speaker 1: even then we'd only do it for away games. But

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Speaker 1: now we're doing it all the time, out away and

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Speaker 1: home games, and it does it does feel like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, it doesn't feel quite as special.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that is because every man and his

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Speaker 2: dog does harker, and that the harker is represented in

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Speaker 2: the areas that I'm sure that the Maris didn't intend that.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm going to stir things up a bit here, Heather,

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Speaker 2: I don't believe in all of the marriage studies I

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Speaker 2: did at school, the Wahini never did harkers.

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Speaker 1: What did they do?

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Speaker 2: They didn't do anything. They didn't fight. The Luis didn't

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Speaker 2: enter into fights. Yeah, now, I I mean it doesn't

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Speaker 2: bother me. The A lot of marriage sports women or sorry,

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Speaker 2: a lot of New Zealand sports teams that are a

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Speaker 2: woman do the harker And I've got no problem with it.

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Speaker 2: But I just wonder if we are overdoing it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, this is the point that I'm trying to make. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that and the national anthem. We scrapped a lot

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Speaker 1: of it. Hey, thank you very much, Laurie, appreciate it.

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