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Speaker 1: Together due to see Eli.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there isn't it ironic that one of the world's

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Speaker 2: most performative politicians is refusing to be accountable because it

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Speaker 2: would be performative. Steve Nail's it eighteen past five. Now listen,

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Speaker 2: we've got more for you on the New Zealand woman

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Speaker 2: Sarah Shaw and her six year old son currently in

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Speaker 2: an IC detention center. New Zealand embassy staff have made

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Speaker 2: contact with Sarah, but we still don't know when she

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Speaker 2: may be released. Minda Thorwood is Sarah's US immigration lawyer

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Speaker 2: and with US. Himanda, Hi, thanks for having me on. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. Listen. How long, realistically is it

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Speaker 2: going to take you to get her out?

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Speaker 1: You know, I actually can't answer that question. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm working with well, I am working to get her

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Speaker 1: out and using a real legal process they can, but

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Speaker 1: it's ultimately going to be up to DHS. We're hoping

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Speaker 1: that they're just going to release her and her son

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Speaker 1: later this week, although they may still remain a removal proceedings.

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Speaker 1: But we're still just waiting to find out what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, have foreign affairs been helpful as in, like our

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Speaker 2: new Zealand helpful in this.

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Speaker 1: I have not been working with them directly, but some

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Speaker 1: of the government officials here, elected officials have gotten involved

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Speaker 1: in her case. Senator Patty Murray's office and Reporck Larsen

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Speaker 1: here at Washington had been working on her case. And

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Speaker 1: I believe Rick Larson's office. I can't honestly can't remember

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Speaker 1: one of those two is now in touch with the embassy.

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Speaker 1: I've talked to so many people and so many reporters,

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Speaker 1: I'm starting to lose loose track of some of it.

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Speaker 1: So I believe the New Zealand Embassy is involved now,

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Speaker 1: but I haven't been directly in touch with them.

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Speaker 2: Are they helpful in I mean, to have the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Embassy getting in touch and whying, you know, putting

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Speaker 2: their white on this. Does that help?

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Speaker 1: I mean anything helps? I mean, any attention or any

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Speaker 1: political pressure, pressure from other nations, anything, I mean, all

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Speaker 1: of that is I mean, I think that all of

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Speaker 1: that is absolutely helping. We had a u CIS interview

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Speaker 1: earlier today, you know, with respect to Sarah's Penning petition,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think things would have happened that quickly

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Speaker 1: had there not been so much media attention and pressure

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Speaker 1: from you know, elected officials and the embassy.

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Speaker 2: Now, this is obviously the case of a woman who

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Speaker 2: does live in Washington State, so she is residing. But

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Speaker 2: does this kind I mean should people Should travelers to

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Speaker 2: the US be wary of having exactly the wipe?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely this I would, you know, now, more than ever,

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Speaker 1: it's essential that everybody have the correct travel documents that

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Speaker 1: they do not stay beyond their allotted visa time. We've

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Speaker 1: just had such an uptick in you know, draconian enforcement

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Speaker 1: of immigration laws, and unfortunately, I've seen this happen you know,

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Speaker 1: many times where you know, I mean, probably not the

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Speaker 1: same thing here, but I you know, I had some

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, twenty year old kid who happens

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Speaker 1: to forget he has half of an edible cookie coming

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Speaker 1: from Canada, and that's been immigration attention for a month

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Speaker 1: until we can send them home to Germany. You know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just that kind of thing where simple

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Speaker 1: mistakes result in basically being incarcerated for indefinite periods of time.

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Speaker 2: Menda, thank you for your time, beast of luck with it,

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Speaker 2: and keep us abreast of it, obviously. Mendethilwood, US Immigration lawyer.

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