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Speaker 1: And so do the job market. And the new numbers

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Speaker 1: out indicate if there are green shoots to be seen

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Speaker 1: in this economy of ours, the last cab off the

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Speaker 1: rank's going to be the job market. Job seeking numbers

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Speaker 1: are up twelve percent since this time last year. That's

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Speaker 1: an extra twelve thousand people for were Wins Boss Christine

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Speaker 1: ranking with us on this Christine Morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 1: Do you subscribe to the broad theory that it is

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Speaker 1: jobs the last to be seen the coming right, so

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Speaker 1: everything comes right by the jobs.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, And this was expected and predicted by economists,

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Speaker 2: and we haven't reached the peak yet, so it's obvious

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Speaker 2: that it's going to get worse before it gets better.

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Speaker 2: You can't turn a mess of an economy around like

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Speaker 2: this in a year, There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: No, you can't. The sticky bit for the government was

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Speaker 1: they tightened the rules around the unemployment at a time

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Speaker 1: when jobs were actually disappearing, which made it difficult, didn't it.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't believe that does make it difficult. What

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Speaker 2: it does is ensure that job seekers do not rock

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Speaker 2: on that benefit, and that's what happened with the last regime.

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Speaker 2: This is actually a gift that they've got that in

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Speaker 2: place now because nobody's going to be stuck on that benefit. Look,

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Speaker 2: we are losing we have got people on benefit, more

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Speaker 2: people on benefit. But there are a lot of jobs

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Speaker 2: out there, and it's about the motivation and the confidence

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Speaker 2: to get them back into work different work.

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Speaker 1: And does the department actually do that? I mean, what's

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Speaker 1: the role of the department And where's the line between

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Speaker 1: I've lost my job, so it's up to me to

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Speaker 1: find another job versus some government wonk who's going to go, well,

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Speaker 1: what you should be doing? This, this, this and this.

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Speaker 2: Look, you're absolutely right. There are a lot of people

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Speaker 2: who won't go near any government department unless they need

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Speaker 2: the support of that benefit. And then they get into

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Speaker 2: the system and have to have that government wonk as

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Speaker 2: you call them, to help facilitate it. A lot of

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Speaker 2: people will find their own jobs, but if they don't,

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Speaker 2: yes that that this minister is absolutely determined about what

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Speaker 2: this government department is going to do. I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's done it for a long time, but I'm sure

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Speaker 2: it's very excited to be doing it again. It's real work.

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Speaker 1: What do you do with a bloke who was at

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Speaker 1: a mill in the middle of the North Island, small town,

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Speaker 1: New Zealand, whose mill got closed, and he's now looking

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Speaker 1: at Australia. Do you say bye bye and all the best?

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Speaker 1: What do you do with them?

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Speaker 2: Well, unless there really is an alternative there, you can

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Speaker 2: absolutely understand why he's going to Australia. This isn't going

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Speaker 2: to happen to him again over there, and the conditions

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Speaker 2: are going to be much better. If I was running

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Speaker 2: wealthy now, I'd be telling my people if there weren't

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Speaker 2: jobs there, do everything you can to support them to go.

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Speaker 2: They have a right to that life, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Christine, appreciate your expertise as always, Christine ranking form

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