WEBVTT - On The Front Foot Episode 180: Is cricket losing control of test players? 0:00:09.133 --> 0:00:12.013 You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Seed B. 0:00:12.413 --> 0:00:15.213 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 0:00:15.373 --> 0:00:20.773 iHeart Radio taken. 0:00:20.573 --> 0:00:20.893 On the pad. 0:00:20.973 --> 0:00:23.053 Now we don't I'll get in. It's a right trick. 0:00:23.613 --> 0:00:25.333 It is out, the test is over. 0:00:27.573 --> 0:00:30.573 Goodness, make a bet it is out. 0:00:31.213 --> 0:00:33.053 And hearing guys, this delivery has. 0:00:32.973 --> 0:00:34.053 In the US as we go. 0:00:36.653 --> 0:00:40.053 On the Front Foot with Brian Waddle and Jeremy Coney 0:00:40.373 --> 0:00:44.293 powered by News Talks head B at iHeart Radio. 0:00:47.893 --> 0:00:51.293 Hello, Welcome to on the Front Foot again with Brian 0:00:51.333 --> 0:00:54.333 Waddel of Jeremy Coney and the special guest this week 0:00:54.533 --> 0:00:58.133 he joined us previously Peter Holland, former New Jitlian cricketer 0:00:58.253 --> 0:01:03.293 and a man with a wide knowledge of cricket from 0:01:03.333 --> 0:01:07.213 around the world, played in the Dutch League as well 0:01:07.413 --> 0:01:09.933 as playing in is Land and Peter Holland. What we're 0:01:09.933 --> 0:01:12.253 talking about this week is a Queen sweep for England 0:01:12.253 --> 0:01:14.893 over the West Indies, did it in under three days. 0:01:15.293 --> 0:01:18.973 The black Caps still deciding on their contract list, what 0:01:19.013 --> 0:01:22.293 does the landscape look like for the future, and the 0:01:22.293 --> 0:01:25.333 first test of a new nine test program for the 0:01:25.373 --> 0:01:30.453 Black Cap will be staged at Greater Neider Sporting Complex. 0:01:31.413 --> 0:01:34.133 And we start with Jeremy Coney now going to explain 0:01:34.213 --> 0:01:38.053 what the Greater Neider Sporting Complex is because I've never 0:01:38.093 --> 0:01:40.133 heard of it up until today when I found out. 0:01:40.413 --> 0:01:42.493 That's when usuallyand you're going to play Afghanistan. 0:01:42.493 --> 0:01:47.373 Hello Jerry, you know what? Hello Mose, how are you good? 0:01:48.213 --> 0:01:48.413 Yeah? 0:01:48.493 --> 0:01:49.253 Great Annoider. 0:01:49.293 --> 0:01:54.013 I don't know whether there's a less Annoyder it. Actually 0:01:54.173 --> 0:01:56.533 it has another name, doesn't it. It's almost if they 0:01:56.533 --> 0:02:00.933 don't like it, and they call it the shade VJ. 0:02:01.293 --> 0:02:08.413 Singh Partick Sports Complex at Great Annider. You need a 0:02:08.453 --> 0:02:10.253 hell of a big piece of paper to write that 0:02:10.413 --> 0:02:17.013 down on, don't you. But yeah, look it's an a pretesh, 0:02:17.173 --> 0:02:20.613 isn't it. And it's a it's a It's a state 0:02:20.813 --> 0:02:25.373 in the north of India that that borders with Nepal. 0:02:26.453 --> 0:02:29.013 So it has its capital city is luck Now. 0:02:29.173 --> 0:02:31.533 And I mean some of our listeners will know that 0:02:31.773 --> 0:02:34.453 from the franchise. You know, they have a side in 0:02:34.493 --> 0:02:37.773 the ip of the luck Now Super Giants. They have 0:02:37.853 --> 0:02:43.093 a Rangy Trophy side which is their first class cricket 0:02:43.453 --> 0:02:46.293 and they've had they've got players like puled YadA comes 0:02:46.293 --> 0:02:54.613 from there, and and and Kumar Mohammed Cafe came from there. 0:02:54.653 --> 0:03:01.013 I think, so, yeah, you've done then, well I knew 0:03:01.053 --> 0:03:03.733 those things. Was that's about all the three players I 0:03:03.773 --> 0:03:06.813 know from there. 0:03:08.173 --> 0:03:11.093 You haven't played there, and I guess Peter Hollanden has 0:03:11.133 --> 0:03:13.893 had more teams I think than than just about any 0:03:13.933 --> 0:03:15.013 other cricketer in the world. 0:03:17.853 --> 0:03:19.813 No, it's better say I haven't played there. That would 0:03:19.813 --> 0:03:21.733 be that, that would be, that would be a fair assumption. 0:03:22.293 --> 0:03:27.453 I I do think that, assuming this match is going ahead, 0:03:28.453 --> 0:03:33.093 because we're a bit light on information, it could be 0:03:33.133 --> 0:03:37.893 a rather tricky little event for a new student coming 0:03:37.893 --> 0:03:42.533 out of where we are now against well Afghanistan who 0:03:42.533 --> 0:03:45.813 showed quit of form and they have very fine spinners, 0:03:45.813 --> 0:03:49.573 says we all know, and batting is not the worst thoughts. 0:03:50.573 --> 0:03:52.773 Most of them are playing best cricket at the moment, though, 0:03:52.773 --> 0:03:55.533 aren't they Most of the team would be. They're all playing, 0:03:55.853 --> 0:03:59.493 you know, the this frivolous Champagne game that is paying 0:03:59.493 --> 0:04:03.413 out big money. So it's interesting to know what sort 0:04:03.413 --> 0:04:08.493 of side they're likely to choose to go there, if if, 0:04:08.333 --> 0:04:11.173 if they've been able to sign contracts, you know, they've 0:04:11.173 --> 0:04:13.173 got an issue with those contracts at the moment. Jerry, 0:04:13.173 --> 0:04:16.413 haven't they that you know, players like Williamson, Bolt, et cetera, 0:04:16.413 --> 0:04:21.973 et cetera haven't signed. There's question marks around Conway signing. 0:04:22.013 --> 0:04:25.173 And we haven't seen a list. We've seen the names 0:04:25.533 --> 0:04:28.493 of the players who've been offered contracts, but doesn't mean 0:04:28.493 --> 0:04:32.773 to say they've accepted them. And you know there must 0:04:32.773 --> 0:04:34.413 be a hell of a mess to try and pick 0:04:34.453 --> 0:04:36.293 aside in those circumstances. 0:04:36.373 --> 0:04:40.493 Jerry, Well, yeah, I think everyone should realize. You know, 0:04:40.693 --> 0:04:43.933 there will be some uncomfortable moments, I think, and it's 0:04:43.933 --> 0:04:45.693 probably going on right now, isn't it. 0:04:45.693 --> 0:04:45.973 Brian. 0:04:46.093 --> 0:04:48.533 With the you say that they've made a list, that 0:04:48.573 --> 0:04:52.693 they've invited people if they want a contract or not. Yeah, 0:04:52.733 --> 0:04:55.533 but now you've got to go through the actual process 0:04:55.613 --> 0:05:01.653 itself of meeting the players. Look, we may not lose 0:05:01.733 --> 0:05:05.693 many players at all. I don't know, but there's no doubt. 0:05:06.173 --> 0:05:07.733 I mean, I'm sure both of you have heard of 0:05:07.733 --> 0:05:11.013 Bob Dylan, the times they are a changing, and I 0:05:12.093 --> 0:05:14.373 don't know whether he played much cricket himself either, But 0:05:15.333 --> 0:05:20.733 the players we are going to you know what we've 0:05:20.733 --> 0:05:26.053 got as meetings between players, some of them the better 0:05:26.093 --> 0:05:33.253 ones are in some cases millionaires and multimillionaires, wealthy by 0:05:33.293 --> 0:05:36.453 New Zealand standards, and I don't know who they'll be 0:05:36.493 --> 0:05:39.013 going to see, Is it Scott Weenick. And let's say 0:05:39.053 --> 0:05:42.813 it's Scott Weenick and he's sitting there with a number 0:05:42.813 --> 0:05:45.253 on a piece of paper that New Zealand Cricket can 0:05:45.293 --> 0:05:48.773 afford and he opens it up and it's kind of laughable. 0:05:49.533 --> 0:05:51.613 And then of course there's a clause at the end 0:05:51.653 --> 0:05:53.213 of the piece of paper that says you've got to 0:05:53.213 --> 0:05:56.693 play super smash here as well. And the money being 0:05:56.733 --> 0:06:02.013 offered some of these players for franchise cricket is probably 0:06:02.053 --> 0:06:05.733 between two and ten times as much, and that's for 0:06:05.853 --> 0:06:08.253 five weeks only. 0:06:09.533 --> 0:06:10.973 There is a bit of an issue. Now. 0:06:10.973 --> 0:06:12.973 I don't know what you guys think of that, but 0:06:13.053 --> 0:06:18.373 that's the kind of guys of tectonic change that is 0:06:18.453 --> 0:06:19.293 taking place. 0:06:20.453 --> 0:06:22.053 My last point, I suppose I could. 0:06:22.173 --> 0:06:23.973 I mean, I could make lots of points about this 0:06:24.093 --> 0:06:26.733 and about it comes to what's happened to cricket in 0:06:26.733 --> 0:06:27.333 the last. 0:06:27.093 --> 0:06:28.053 Twenty odd years. 0:06:28.053 --> 0:06:31.333 But you know, the top players are more important for 0:06:31.453 --> 0:06:36.133 developing teams than one you know, of smaller nations than 0:06:36.173 --> 0:06:39.013 they are for the larger teams. You know, they're much 0:06:39.053 --> 0:06:43.893 more vulnerable and their boards can't pay big contracts. They're 0:06:43.933 --> 0:06:48.133 not paying huge fees, and as the players get older, 0:06:49.133 --> 0:06:50.933 they feel they kind of need a winful. 0:06:51.013 --> 0:06:56.453 You mentioned Devin Conway Thereds. If it's him, he. 0:06:56.533 --> 0:06:59.613 Might say he's in his thirties, he's married, he thinking 0:06:59.613 --> 0:07:01.653 of family, and he might have a family already, but 0:07:02.173 --> 0:07:03.533 they might need a windfall. 0:07:03.853 --> 0:07:07.053 It'll set them up. So if there is an offer 0:07:07.773 --> 0:07:11.973 of movieans to join a team in a franchise, it's 0:07:12.013 --> 0:07:15.893 like winning lotto for them when it arrives, you know, 0:07:16.053 --> 0:07:18.973 and the private equity owners say is yep, will take 0:07:19.013 --> 0:07:23.613 you New Zealand cricket. Really, there's not much they can do, 0:07:23.773 --> 0:07:26.773 is there. He's presented with a figure that's what you know, 0:07:27.413 --> 0:07:29.453 as I say, within the budget of New Zealand. But 0:07:29.493 --> 0:07:32.493 it's laughable, and you've got to play some of domestic games. 0:07:33.213 --> 0:07:36.773 Yeah, it's understandable, most, isn't it. You know, you get 0:07:36.813 --> 0:07:39.893 to get these contracts and there's only so many players 0:07:39.893 --> 0:07:41.933 are going to get the offers, aren't there. You know, 0:07:42.293 --> 0:07:46.453 the guy who plays number six for Otago and is 0:07:46.453 --> 0:07:48.533 a sort of a part timer, he's not going to 0:07:48.693 --> 0:07:51.213 make the big money or get the big offers, and 0:07:51.493 --> 0:07:54.453 New Zealand can't afford to pay what England and Australia 0:07:54.493 --> 0:07:56.813 can pay in terms of the contracts. 0:07:56.893 --> 0:08:00.933 It's actually rather simple, isn't it. It's called capital cash, 0:08:01.413 --> 0:08:05.093 an absence thereof Well that's what we're seeing, and all 0:08:05.093 --> 0:08:08.293 we're seeing now is effectively what's happened to the Western 0:08:08.413 --> 0:08:13.893 these several years ago, where their players said I don't 0:08:13.893 --> 0:08:18.653 get enough here playing from a country. They were the 0:08:18.693 --> 0:08:20.733 four runners of this, and you know, we tended to 0:08:20.773 --> 0:08:23.853 look at that a little bit and think, well, that's 0:08:23.853 --> 0:08:25.493 not so good and how bad is that for West 0:08:25.533 --> 0:08:31.333 Indies Cricket now scroll forward, as they say, and that's 0:08:31.373 --> 0:08:35.853 what we're facing right now. And cricket now, compared to 0:08:36.093 --> 0:08:38.933 the times when we were playing, is a genuine career 0:08:40.413 --> 0:08:43.213 where where you can damn find money if you're good 0:08:43.293 --> 0:08:45.933 enough and you're dead right once. In so far as 0:08:46.493 --> 0:08:49.453 if you look at that listing there of players on offer, 0:08:50.013 --> 0:08:54.573 about a third of them possibly tops, are going to 0:08:54.573 --> 0:08:56.813 be those attractive sort of players. The rest of them 0:08:57.213 --> 0:09:01.693 are emerging cricketers. But then when and if they succeed, 0:09:01.813 --> 0:09:03.973 we can see the same thing happening. I mean I 0:09:04.333 --> 0:09:06.573 have great sympathy for Scott Wene, who sort of walked 0:09:06.613 --> 0:09:10.333 into a very very true in thee Zealand cricket, very 0:09:10.453 --> 0:09:17.133 tricky situation because what what, what options and what leverage 0:09:17.173 --> 0:09:20.893 does does his Zealand cricket have Basically it has it 0:09:20.933 --> 0:09:24.613 has none, And as Jerry points out, you know, we 0:09:24.773 --> 0:09:27.293 just can't offer these players what they what they what 0:09:27.333 --> 0:09:30.093 they're what they can get in the open market. So 0:09:30.173 --> 0:09:33.413 I suspect some sort of revamp of the player's contracts 0:09:33.493 --> 0:09:35.613 going to have to be nutted out. Quite what that 0:09:35.693 --> 0:09:39.133 looks like, I have no idea, but I think Jerry, 0:09:39.453 --> 0:09:42.213 they did write about Bob Dylan. He was right. They 0:09:42.213 --> 0:09:44.893 certainly are changing, and I think it presents real dilemmas 0:09:44.893 --> 0:09:45.413 for us. 0:09:45.693 --> 0:09:48.653 I mean Bob Dylan. 0:09:48.653 --> 0:09:52.893 H yeah, yeah, that's right, he did well, only when 0:09:52.893 --> 0:09:53.893 he changed his name. 0:09:54.613 --> 0:09:58.173 Yeah, he changed his name to Dylan. I remember standing 0:09:58.213 --> 0:10:01.733 beside Bob Willis we're talking about everybody in a fast 0:10:01.773 --> 0:10:05.493 bowlert for England. He loved Bob Dylan and knew all 0:10:05.533 --> 0:10:09.013 the lyrics of Bob Dylan's songs, and I can remember 0:10:09.013 --> 0:10:13.213 standing by him at a party and he just saying 0:10:13.373 --> 0:10:16.453 the whole of Dylan's numbers. It was very boring, but 0:10:16.533 --> 0:10:18.733 that's okay. He liked that. 0:10:18.893 --> 0:10:23.093 But the other point I would make, and there's something 0:10:23.133 --> 0:10:28.613 in me says it's inherently wrong. But when I faced 0:10:28.653 --> 0:10:32.293 capll dev or Bob Willis say, or Ashley Mallett or Lily, 0:10:33.253 --> 0:10:36.933 there wouldn't have been a huge disparity between part of 0:10:36.973 --> 0:10:38.693 what we were paid. They might have been paid a 0:10:38.733 --> 0:10:42.773 bit more, but it was because there was not much 0:10:42.853 --> 0:10:45.533 money in the game as a whole. And that was, 0:10:45.573 --> 0:10:50.493 you know, forty years ago. But now when Ben Sears, 0:10:50.573 --> 0:10:53.573 if he selected runs in at the basin to bolt 0:10:53.573 --> 0:10:56.853 to Joe Root or to Travis Head or Mitchell start 0:10:56.893 --> 0:11:01.293 bowling to Will Young, you know they're both players, are 0:11:01.293 --> 0:11:05.733 representing their countries, both are in the same game, both 0:11:05.733 --> 0:11:09.173 are on the same ground, both to do well for 0:11:09.253 --> 0:11:12.853 their side. And yet one is getting maybe three times 0:11:12.893 --> 0:11:16.893 more for the fees for playing that match, and more importantly, 0:11:17.453 --> 0:11:21.733 probably ten times as much for their contract for doing 0:11:21.773 --> 0:11:25.293 the same things for their team. And as I say, 0:11:25.413 --> 0:11:29.773 something doesn't feel quite right within me about that. 0:11:31.293 --> 0:11:34.013 The question it poses for me is that the players 0:11:34.053 --> 0:11:38.013 that are getting offers have earned them. They've grown up 0:11:38.053 --> 0:11:41.173 through a system that's paid and prepared them, and then 0:11:41.213 --> 0:11:44.373 they've developed their game to earn the money. I just 0:11:44.453 --> 0:11:47.373 wonder is it doing anything for the good of cricket 0:11:47.693 --> 0:11:51.373 in general. Nice to have all these people with the 0:11:51.373 --> 0:11:54.933 big money, but is it helping the development? Are we 0:11:55.173 --> 0:12:00.613 just preparing players now for IPL contracts, MLC or Sri 0:12:00.733 --> 0:12:05.053 Lankan contracts and not really caring too much about what 0:12:05.133 --> 0:12:08.173 happens to the New Zealand game. I mean, Peter, when 0:12:08.213 --> 0:12:12.373 you played, you put your body and soul into playing 0:12:12.413 --> 0:12:15.893 for well, how many associations did you play for a 0:12:15.933 --> 0:12:18.133 dozen or more? 0:12:18.253 --> 0:12:20.613 And three of them was only three? 0:12:21.613 --> 0:12:23.613 Three out of six, three out of six. 0:12:24.853 --> 0:12:27.293 But you went you went overseas as well, didn't you. 0:12:27.293 --> 0:12:27.533 You? 0:12:27.533 --> 0:12:32.013 You England played in the Dutch competition, so you had 0:12:32.013 --> 0:12:35.693 a chance to widen your horizons, didn't you correct? 0:12:36.093 --> 0:12:39.973 And And but the reality was was is that, Yes, 0:12:40.053 --> 0:12:42.453 I got paid when I went across to England. I 0:12:42.453 --> 0:12:46.173 think we got our expenses covered. But we would take 0:12:46.213 --> 0:12:48.973 time off without leave. Usually it'd end up coming back 0:12:49.013 --> 0:12:51.653 to work with a chipped finger and god knows what 0:12:51.813 --> 0:12:54.693 else and no leave and probably in the last couple 0:12:54.773 --> 0:12:58.133 of games you had to take to play those were 0:12:58.213 --> 0:13:00.813 there's time off work and so you didn't get paid, 0:13:01.173 --> 0:13:05.773 so you'd come back broke a bit sore, but but 0:13:05.853 --> 0:13:08.173 you did it for love. When you went to England, 0:13:08.693 --> 0:13:10.133 he made a bit of money, but that was never 0:13:10.173 --> 0:13:12.373 going to make you make you a wealthy person. Which 0:13:12.413 --> 0:13:14.813 is why I gave the game way at twenty five 0:13:15.773 --> 0:13:18.053 in New Zealand, because I had to go under a career. 0:13:18.413 --> 0:13:20.453 That was what we were faced with then. I mean, 0:13:20.453 --> 0:13:24.093 I wasn't a talent that Jerry was, clearly, but those 0:13:24.093 --> 0:13:27.213 were the realities and so we had to go and 0:13:27.253 --> 0:13:30.973 pursue a career. And and that's where that's what the 0:13:31.013 --> 0:13:34.093 situation is different for these players now. They can now 0:13:34.133 --> 0:13:36.413 play into their thirties, well into their thirties, and if 0:13:36.413 --> 0:13:38.733 for Jimmy Anderson, you can play when they're forty, for 0:13:38.813 --> 0:13:42.813 God's sake. But it's quite a different world now and 0:13:42.853 --> 0:13:45.813 I and I really I don't know what. I don't 0:13:45.813 --> 0:13:47.533 know what the answer is. The Only thing that I 0:13:47.533 --> 0:13:51.693 can try and think about is if you look at football, 0:13:52.173 --> 0:13:56.813 where where where people Yeah, clubs for instance, married in 0:13:56.813 --> 0:14:03.333 Phoenix sells players they've developed them. Now now I don't 0:14:03.333 --> 0:14:06.613 know if that sort of system could could ever emerge. 0:14:06.653 --> 0:14:10.933 But what you've got year the investment's been placed into 0:14:11.213 --> 0:14:14.533 these players out of New Zealand cricket for which there's 0:14:14.573 --> 0:14:18.693 no return on them per se. Yeah, Devin Conways come over, 0:14:19.373 --> 0:14:21.293 has crowded this opportunity. Would have you got it? 0:14:21.333 --> 0:14:21.813 Have they said? 0:14:22.253 --> 0:14:26.293 In South Africa? Who would know? But he's benefiting and 0:14:26.373 --> 0:14:30.213 quite one, quite rightly, fine, fine player. But is there 0:14:30.253 --> 0:14:33.053 something that New Zealand cricket should be rewarded for for 0:14:33.093 --> 0:14:36.053 the fact that they've developed or given that that individual 0:14:36.093 --> 0:14:38.453 the opportunity and others for that matter. I don't know 0:14:38.693 --> 0:14:42.253 and I doubt whether, unfortunately that could happen. But how 0:14:42.253 --> 0:14:46.213 does the Zeeland cricket recover its investment? And the question 0:14:46.333 --> 0:14:48.773 mark and very trickiness. 0:14:49.413 --> 0:14:52.773 That's a fair point. The landscape at the moment, Jerry 0:14:53.093 --> 0:14:58.093 is It's changeable, isn't it. It could be different in 0:14:58.133 --> 0:15:01.293 a week's time, a month's time, in a year's time. 0:15:01.533 --> 0:15:03.693 We're not going to know whether New Zealand cricket will 0:15:03.733 --> 0:15:09.293 have the ability or the control I supposed to control 0:15:09.333 --> 0:15:13.813 for the wrong word, but the availability of money to 0:15:14.093 --> 0:15:19.653 pay players a substantial wage that they can along their 0:15:19.693 --> 0:15:23.413 career past Peter Hollins twenty five into the real world 0:15:23.453 --> 0:15:24.973 of thirty five and forty. 0:15:25.093 --> 0:15:31.253 Now, no, that's it is the thing that money isn't 0:15:31.253 --> 0:15:33.133 a bit of an issue in the game at the moment, 0:15:33.173 --> 0:15:36.413 isn't it. I think everyone recognizes that that the fact 0:15:36.413 --> 0:15:39.013 that there is there's plenty of money to go round, 0:15:39.893 --> 0:15:43.053 so the game can thrived. You know, Cricket generally as 0:15:43.093 --> 0:15:47.173 a game has plenty of money with the three formats. Yes, 0:15:47.533 --> 0:15:50.293 one format just happens to be dominating the others at 0:15:50.293 --> 0:15:54.053 the moment. But you know, since since I reckoned about 0:15:54.093 --> 0:15:58.413 the two thousand's, cricket has moved from when I played, 0:15:58.413 --> 0:16:03.013 for example, and Move played, it was a spectator first game, 0:16:03.293 --> 0:16:06.573 but now it's become a television first game. And the 0:16:06.693 --> 0:16:10.893 rise of companies like Sky and Spark and so on, 0:16:11.013 --> 0:16:15.693 and overseas companies as well have brought with it huge 0:16:15.773 --> 0:16:22.533 money and that has created disparities and inequities. You know, 0:16:22.773 --> 0:16:29.053 so three countries have obviously benefited from that. And so 0:16:29.093 --> 0:16:33.493 it's India, Australia, England earning the high revenues principally from 0:16:34.093 --> 0:16:36.613 satellite Telly with your box and that sort of thing 0:16:36.653 --> 0:16:39.773 that you have in your house. So you know, or 0:16:39.853 --> 0:16:44.413 streamed and since and it's the size of the population 0:16:44.613 --> 0:16:47.013 that you have in your country, well who can determine 0:16:47.013 --> 0:16:53.693 that and the interest there is within that population of cricket. Now, 0:16:53.893 --> 0:16:56.573 New Zealand you can only raise money from two sources. 0:16:56.613 --> 0:16:59.973 If you're aboard, you raise it from the region that 0:17:00.013 --> 0:17:05.213 you are in, right, whether it's whether it's broadcasting or 0:17:05.253 --> 0:17:08.973 whether it's you know, sponsors and so on, but that's 0:17:09.013 --> 0:17:12.093 in your region. And then the second place you get 0:17:12.093 --> 0:17:16.773 it from is an ICC distribution of money of funds. Now. 0:17:17.413 --> 0:17:22.133 You know, for smaller countries like us and like the 0:17:22.173 --> 0:17:26.413 West Indies that we've been talking about, they just don't 0:17:26.533 --> 0:17:28.533 raise enough money. I mean here in New Zealand, for 0:17:28.613 --> 0:17:33.893 heaven's sake, Spark the TV company gave it up because 0:17:34.133 --> 0:17:36.773 to Television New Zealand for the last couple of years, 0:17:37.453 --> 0:17:39.773 just so they can get out of the costs of 0:17:39.893 --> 0:17:43.853 running it. You know, we've got a small population. How 0:17:43.893 --> 0:17:47.653 do we host teams who come over here? They pay 0:17:47.653 --> 0:17:51.373 for themselves. People that understand, when you go over to England, 0:17:51.373 --> 0:17:53.453 New Zealand pay the cost of the flights and all 0:17:53.493 --> 0:17:56.053 those sort of things to get over there. As soon 0:17:56.093 --> 0:17:59.813 as they land England take up the costs well, you know, 0:17:59.893 --> 0:18:03.413 accommodation and travel and all that stuff. Food and so 0:18:04.373 --> 0:18:05.893 what do we do as soon as they get off 0:18:05.933 --> 0:18:09.613 the plane. Here our touring teas that are coming, we 0:18:09.653 --> 0:18:11.573 want to get them away again because it costs us 0:18:11.573 --> 0:18:14.613 too much. We want to go. That's why we only 0:18:14.653 --> 0:18:17.133 get them two tests, isn't it? 0:18:17.213 --> 0:18:18.653 So you know the. 0:18:20.853 --> 0:18:24.293 Two areas. Obviously that things can change, well most that's 0:18:24.293 --> 0:18:27.293 a good idea. That's although I think the ICE, I 0:18:27.293 --> 0:18:31.413 think the IP do pay back to the boards. I 0:18:31.413 --> 0:18:33.333 think there is a little bit going back that way, 0:18:33.933 --> 0:18:38.133 but it's not much compared to the whole amount. Two things, obviously, 0:18:38.173 --> 0:18:42.773 the ICC distribution could perhaps change a bit, you know, 0:18:43.173 --> 0:18:45.453 smaller nations could get some money there. 0:18:46.173 --> 0:18:49.213 And secondly, they're starting. 0:18:48.773 --> 0:18:55.093 To talk about now that when Zimbabwe tour England, you know, 0:18:55.133 --> 0:18:58.133 England will pay them a fee. At the moment they 0:18:58.133 --> 0:19:00.293 don't pay them a fee the touring side. 0:19:00.933 --> 0:19:03.093 They might pay that side a. 0:19:03.253 --> 0:19:07.653 Fee to tour the side as well, you know, so 0:19:07.813 --> 0:19:11.493 that could be another perhaps incentive. Besides, it's not as 0:19:11.493 --> 0:19:14.173 if teams are turning up to the icy Stewart wheelbarrows. 0:19:14.213 --> 0:19:15.333 Are they at the. 0:19:15.373 --> 0:19:19.373 Door saying look, I want we want leather chairs for 0:19:19.453 --> 0:19:23.013 the boardroom, you know, or we want top grade run 0:19:23.053 --> 0:19:26.133 for the sponsors. You know. It's not that we want 0:19:26.533 --> 0:19:30.053 money for nets. We want money for some new cricket 0:19:30.053 --> 0:19:34.133 balls or a mawa you know that's improve our pictures. 0:19:34.853 --> 0:19:38.333 Those are the things that that smaller nations are wanting, 0:19:38.413 --> 0:19:43.733 particularly someone like the West Indies. You know. So those 0:19:43.773 --> 0:19:47.893 are the issues that are really confronting in New Zealand 0:19:47.933 --> 0:19:50.533 at the moment, and that's why we are in the situation. 0:19:52.213 --> 0:19:52.653 Yeah. 0:19:52.693 --> 0:19:56.013 Well, in I sense too that some of these television companies, 0:19:56.013 --> 0:20:01.253 I mean, judging by the Sky, the Spark, the TVNZ issue, 0:20:01.453 --> 0:20:04.933 probably don't have a lot of excess money to throw 0:20:05.013 --> 0:20:07.493 around the wave of cricket with all the other sports 0:20:07.533 --> 0:20:10.933 they have to deal. It's a challenge that we are 0:20:10.973 --> 0:20:13.493 going to have to look at in terms of our 0:20:13.533 --> 0:20:17.413 cricket and see where some of these players are going 0:20:17.453 --> 0:20:19.493 to get their living from, whether it's going to come 0:20:19.573 --> 0:20:27.533 from the Mumbai Indians or the Delhi Tigers or any 0:20:28.053 --> 0:20:29.413 of those names. 0:20:29.573 --> 0:20:29.813 You know. 0:20:29.973 --> 0:20:36.013 Now we've got players currently in the competition in America. 0:20:36.093 --> 0:20:40.893 We've got nine players in the MLC, Alan Conway, Ravendra Bolt, Graceful, 0:20:40.933 --> 0:20:45.413 Santner and Ferguson. There's three in one hundred that I've noticed, Sauthi, Mildon, 0:20:45.453 --> 0:20:49.213 Phillips and in Canada, sif At Monroe and Listera. And 0:20:49.213 --> 0:20:52.093 we don't have the money to even put those competitions 0:20:52.133 --> 0:20:55.173 on and invite Mitchell Stark to come out here and 0:20:55.213 --> 0:20:59.573 play in our local Dream eleven Super Smash. So there 0:20:59.573 --> 0:21:03.573 are major challenges that we're going to have to look 0:21:03.613 --> 0:21:06.493 at and discuss in the future. 0:21:06.853 --> 0:21:10.853 And just to that, so the Super Smash, we see 0:21:12.053 --> 0:21:15.813 Kain Williamson well the Supersess he's playing for the Dubai 0:21:15.973 --> 0:21:20.373 Super Giants, the Durbin Super Giants in South Africa. Yeah, so, 0:21:21.453 --> 0:21:24.053 and that's that's just a precursor of what more is 0:21:24.093 --> 0:21:27.213 going to happen with the leaking of our better players. 0:21:27.893 --> 0:21:31.653 It's somewhat there's a certain inevitability about it as they 0:21:31.653 --> 0:21:37.733 get bound in by their IPL employers, challenging. 0:21:37.733 --> 0:21:39.813 With a little bit of luck. Caine Williamson might will 0:21:39.853 --> 0:21:41.973 be playing in test matches for us in the near 0:21:42.013 --> 0:21:45.213 future because we've got a test side as we mentioned 0:21:45.293 --> 0:21:49.093 earlier that's going to be playing against Afghanistan in India. 0:21:49.693 --> 0:21:52.093 I understand all that hasn't been confirmed. There's a couple 0:21:52.133 --> 0:21:55.533 of games in Sri Lanka before the Test series against India, 0:21:55.973 --> 0:22:00.373 so that's going to be a spin friendly competition for 0:22:01.533 --> 0:22:04.453 five six Test matches. Then they come home to play 0:22:04.613 --> 0:22:07.413 against England. What sort of side are we going to 0:22:07.453 --> 0:22:09.253 have if you had a chant to have a look 0:22:09.573 --> 0:22:13.573 at the players. There's some replacements, but you know, the 0:22:13.733 --> 0:22:18.533 likes of Sauvi and those more experienced players are still 0:22:18.573 --> 0:22:21.093 probably going to be in the Test matches when they come. 0:22:21.653 --> 0:22:25.453 Well, not not necessarily, Brian, not if we are a 0:22:25.493 --> 0:22:31.933 bit more bold about approaching this transition phase between one 0:22:31.973 --> 0:22:36.133 side that has been very good and got terrific results 0:22:37.533 --> 0:22:43.853 but now is aging slightly. And you know, I don't 0:22:43.853 --> 0:22:46.173 want to be age just about that, but it does affect, 0:22:46.293 --> 0:22:50.333 you know, especially if you are a faster bowler. It's 0:22:50.373 --> 0:22:53.293 such a you know, a physical a physical thing that 0:22:53.333 --> 0:22:57.613 you have to do. I think one of the problems 0:22:57.613 --> 0:23:02.853 that is emerging is that we don't have a seam 0:23:03.053 --> 0:23:08.453 bowler or a faster bowler who bats. There's no there's 0:23:08.493 --> 0:23:14.333 no Dion Nash around nowadays. There's no Hadley, there's no 0:23:14.453 --> 0:23:18.173 Headley who bats, you know, what I mean around Nathan 0:23:18.253 --> 0:23:22.013 Smith might be one that is coming onto the edge 0:23:22.053 --> 0:23:27.733 of the scene, but I mean we've just got to 0:23:27.813 --> 0:23:34.213 play O'Rourke to join Henry and see us. Now none 0:23:34.253 --> 0:23:39.973 of those guys bat so already as far as our 0:23:40.013 --> 0:23:45.573 batting length is concerned, we've only got eight now, and 0:23:45.613 --> 0:23:50.973 then we've got those three. You know there won't be 0:23:51.013 --> 0:23:53.933 a Coogar line around. He's not taken a contract and 0:23:53.973 --> 0:23:58.413 so on. Sourly, I don't think can can manage it, 0:23:58.573 --> 0:24:03.773 to be honest, against that England side, whether it's Duffy, 0:24:04.213 --> 0:24:07.933 and then you shorten the line of the batting as well, 0:24:09.093 --> 0:24:11.413 So there's it's starting to become a bit of an 0:24:11.413 --> 0:24:15.133 issue obviously if Conway's there and then it's late in 0:24:15.253 --> 0:24:19.213 Conway and then you have Williamson, Mitchell, Ravendra Phillips in 0:24:19.373 --> 0:24:24.653 any order put a number beside them and blundles how blundles? 0:24:25.053 --> 0:24:27.613