Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Seed B.
Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
Speaker 1: iHeart Radio taken.
Speaker 2: On the pad.
Speaker 3: Now we don't I'll get in. It's a right trick.
Speaker 2: It is out, the test is over.
Speaker 3: Goodness, make a bet it is out.
Speaker 4: And hearing guys, this delivery has.
Speaker 3: In the US as we go.
Speaker 1: On the Front Foot with Brian Waddle and Jeremy Coney
Speaker 1: powered by News Talks head B at iHeart Radio.
Speaker 2: Hello, Welcome to on the Front Foot again with Brian
Speaker 2: Waddel of Jeremy Coney and the special guest this week
Speaker 2: he joined us previously Peter Holland, former New Jitlian cricketer
Speaker 2: and a man with a wide knowledge of cricket from
Speaker 2: around the world, played in the Dutch League as well
Speaker 2: as playing in is Land and Peter Holland. What we're
Speaker 2: talking about this week is a Queen sweep for England
Speaker 2: over the West Indies, did it in under three days.
Speaker 2: The black Caps still deciding on their contract list, what
Speaker 2: does the landscape look like for the future, and the
Speaker 2: first test of a new nine test program for the
Speaker 2: Black Cap will be staged at Greater Neider Sporting Complex.
Speaker 2: And we start with Jeremy Coney now going to explain
Speaker 2: what the Greater Neider Sporting Complex is because I've never
Speaker 2: heard of it up until today when I found out.
Speaker 2: That's when usuallyand you're going to play Afghanistan.
Speaker 3: Hello Jerry, you know what? Hello Mose, how are you good?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Great Annoider.
Speaker 5: I don't know whether there's a less Annoyder it. Actually
Speaker 5: it has another name, doesn't it. It's almost if they
Speaker 5: don't like it, and they call it the shade VJ.
Speaker 5: Singh Partick Sports Complex at Great Annider. You need a
Speaker 5: hell of a big piece of paper to write that
Speaker 5: down on, don't you. But yeah, look it's an a pretesh,
Speaker 5: isn't it. And it's a it's a It's a state
Speaker 5: in the north of India that that borders with Nepal.
Speaker 3: So it has its capital city is luck Now.
Speaker 5: And I mean some of our listeners will know that
Speaker 5: from the franchise. You know, they have a side in
Speaker 5: the ip of the luck Now Super Giants. They have
Speaker 5: a Rangy Trophy side which is their first class cricket
Speaker 5: and they've had they've got players like puled YadA comes
Speaker 5: from there, and and and Kumar Mohammed Cafe came from there.
Speaker 5: I think, so, yeah, you've done then, well I knew
Speaker 5: those things. Was that's about all the three players I
Speaker 5: know from there.
Speaker 2: You haven't played there, and I guess Peter Hollanden has
Speaker 2: had more teams I think than than just about any
Speaker 2: other cricketer in the world.
Speaker 4: No, it's better say I haven't played there. That would
Speaker 4: be that, that would be, that would be a fair assumption.
Speaker 4: I I do think that, assuming this match is going ahead,
Speaker 4: because we're a bit light on information, it could be
Speaker 4: a rather tricky little event for a new student coming
Speaker 4: out of where we are now against well Afghanistan who
Speaker 4: showed quit of form and they have very fine spinners,
Speaker 4: says we all know, and batting is not the worst thoughts.
Speaker 2: Most of them are playing best cricket at the moment, though,
Speaker 2: aren't they Most of the team would be. They're all playing,
Speaker 2: you know, the this frivolous Champagne game that is paying
Speaker 2: out big money. So it's interesting to know what sort
Speaker 2: of side they're likely to choose to go there, if if,
Speaker 2: if they've been able to sign contracts, you know, they've
Speaker 2: got an issue with those contracts at the moment. Jerry,
Speaker 2: haven't they that you know, players like Williamson, Bolt, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera haven't signed. There's question marks around Conway signing.
Speaker 2: And we haven't seen a list. We've seen the names
Speaker 2: of the players who've been offered contracts, but doesn't mean
Speaker 2: to say they've accepted them. And you know there must
Speaker 2: be a hell of a mess to try and pick
Speaker 2: aside in those circumstances.
Speaker 5: Jerry, Well, yeah, I think everyone should realize. You know,
Speaker 5: there will be some uncomfortable moments, I think, and it's
Speaker 5: probably going on right now, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Brian.
Speaker 5: With the you say that they've made a list, that
Speaker 5: they've invited people if they want a contract or not. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but now you've got to go through the actual process
Speaker 5: itself of meeting the players. Look, we may not lose
Speaker 5: many players at all. I don't know, but there's no doubt.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sure both of you have heard of
Speaker 5: Bob Dylan, the times they are a changing, and I
Speaker 5: don't know whether he played much cricket himself either, But
Speaker 5: the players we are going to you know what we've
Speaker 5: got as meetings between players, some of them the better
Speaker 5: ones are in some cases millionaires and multimillionaires, wealthy by
Speaker 5: New Zealand standards, and I don't know who they'll be
Speaker 5: going to see, Is it Scott Weenick. And let's say
Speaker 5: it's Scott Weenick and he's sitting there with a number
Speaker 5: on a piece of paper that New Zealand Cricket can
Speaker 5: afford and he opens it up and it's kind of laughable.
Speaker 5: And then of course there's a clause at the end
Speaker 5: of the piece of paper that says you've got to
Speaker 5: play super smash here as well. And the money being
Speaker 5: offered some of these players for franchise cricket is probably
Speaker 5: between two and ten times as much, and that's for
Speaker 5: five weeks only.
Speaker 3: There is a bit of an issue. Now.
Speaker 5: I don't know what you guys think of that, but
Speaker 5: that's the kind of guys of tectonic change that is
Speaker 5: taking place.
Speaker 3: My last point, I suppose I could.
Speaker 5: I mean, I could make lots of points about this
Speaker 5: and about it comes to what's happened to cricket in
Speaker 5: the last.
Speaker 3: Twenty odd years.
Speaker 5: But you know, the top players are more important for
Speaker 5: developing teams than one you know, of smaller nations than
Speaker 5: they are for the larger teams. You know, they're much
Speaker 5: more vulnerable and their boards can't pay big contracts. They're
Speaker 5: not paying huge fees, and as the players get older,
Speaker 5: they feel they kind of need a winful.
Speaker 3: You mentioned Devin Conway Thereds. If it's him, he.
Speaker 5: Might say he's in his thirties, he's married, he thinking
Speaker 5: of family, and he might have a family already, but
Speaker 5: they might need a windfall.
Speaker 3: It'll set them up. So if there is an offer
Speaker 3: of movieans to join a team in a franchise, it's
Speaker 3: like winning lotto for them when it arrives, you know,
Speaker 3: and the private equity owners say is yep, will take
Speaker 3: you New Zealand cricket. Really, there's not much they can do,
Speaker 3: is there. He's presented with a figure that's what you know,
Speaker 3: as I say, within the budget of New Zealand. But
Speaker 3: it's laughable, and you've got to play some of domestic games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's understandable, most, isn't it. You know, you get
Speaker 2: to get these contracts and there's only so many players
Speaker 2: are going to get the offers, aren't there. You know,
Speaker 2: the guy who plays number six for Otago and is
Speaker 2: a sort of a part timer, he's not going to
Speaker 2: make the big money or get the big offers, and
Speaker 2: New Zealand can't afford to pay what England and Australia
Speaker 2: can pay in terms of the contracts.
Speaker 4: It's actually rather simple, isn't it. It's called capital cash,
Speaker 4: an absence thereof Well that's what we're seeing, and all
Speaker 4: we're seeing now is effectively what's happened to the Western
Speaker 4: these several years ago, where their players said I don't
Speaker 4: get enough here playing from a country. They were the
Speaker 4: four runners of this, and you know, we tended to
Speaker 4: look at that a little bit and think, well, that's
Speaker 4: not so good and how bad is that for West
Speaker 4: Indies Cricket now scroll forward, as they say, and that's
Speaker 4: what we're facing right now. And cricket now, compared to
Speaker 4: the times when we were playing, is a genuine career
Speaker 4: where where you can damn find money if you're good
Speaker 4: enough and you're dead right once. In so far as
Speaker 4: if you look at that listing there of players on offer,
Speaker 4: about a third of them possibly tops, are going to
Speaker 4: be those attractive sort of players. The rest of them
Speaker 4: are emerging cricketers. But then when and if they succeed,
Speaker 4: we can see the same thing happening. I mean I
Speaker 4: have great sympathy for Scott Wene, who sort of walked
Speaker 4: into a very very true in thee Zealand cricket, very
Speaker 4: tricky situation because what what, what options and what leverage
Speaker 4: does does his Zealand cricket have Basically it has it
Speaker 4: has none, And as Jerry points out, you know, we
Speaker 4: just can't offer these players what they what they what
Speaker 4: they're what they can get in the open market. So
Speaker 4: I suspect some sort of revamp of the player's contracts
Speaker 4: going to have to be nutted out. Quite what that
Speaker 4: looks like, I have no idea, but I think Jerry,
Speaker 4: they did write about Bob Dylan. He was right. They
Speaker 4: certainly are changing, and I think it presents real dilemmas
Speaker 4: for us.
Speaker 2: I mean Bob Dylan.
Speaker 5: H yeah, yeah, that's right, he did well, only when
Speaker 5: he changed his name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he changed his name to Dylan. I remember standing
Speaker 3: beside Bob Willis we're talking about everybody in a fast
Speaker 3: bowlert for England. He loved Bob Dylan and knew all
Speaker 3: the lyrics of Bob Dylan's songs, and I can remember
Speaker 3: standing by him at a party and he just saying
Speaker 3: the whole of Dylan's numbers. It was very boring, but
Speaker 3: that's okay. He liked that.
Speaker 5: But the other point I would make, and there's something
Speaker 5: in me says it's inherently wrong. But when I faced
Speaker 5: capll dev or Bob Willis say, or Ashley Mallett or Lily,
Speaker 5: there wouldn't have been a huge disparity between part of
Speaker 5: what we were paid. They might have been paid a
Speaker 5: bit more, but it was because there was not much
Speaker 5: money in the game as a whole. And that was,
Speaker 5: you know, forty years ago. But now when Ben Sears,
Speaker 5: if he selected runs in at the basin to bolt
Speaker 5: to Joe Root or to Travis Head or Mitchell start
Speaker 5: bowling to Will Young, you know they're both players, are
Speaker 5: representing their countries, both are in the same game, both
Speaker 5: are on the same ground, both to do well for
Speaker 5: their side. And yet one is getting maybe three times
Speaker 5: more for the fees for playing that match, and more importantly,
Speaker 5: probably ten times as much for their contract for doing
Speaker 5: the same things for their team. And as I say,
Speaker 5: something doesn't feel quite right within me about that.
Speaker 2: The question it poses for me is that the players
Speaker 2: that are getting offers have earned them. They've grown up
Speaker 2: through a system that's paid and prepared them, and then
Speaker 2: they've developed their game to earn the money. I just
Speaker 2: wonder is it doing anything for the good of cricket
Speaker 2: in general. Nice to have all these people with the
Speaker 2: big money, but is it helping the development? Are we
Speaker 2: just preparing players now for IPL contracts, MLC or Sri
Speaker 2: Lankan contracts and not really caring too much about what
Speaker 2: happens to the New Zealand game. I mean, Peter, when
Speaker 2: you played, you put your body and soul into playing
Speaker 2: for well, how many associations did you play for a
Speaker 2: dozen or more?
Speaker 4: And three of them was only three?
Speaker 3: Three out of six, three out of six.
Speaker 2: But you went you went overseas as well, didn't you.
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 2: You England played in the Dutch competition, so you had
Speaker 2: a chance to widen your horizons, didn't you correct?
Speaker 4: And And but the reality was was is that, Yes,
Speaker 4: I got paid when I went across to England. I
Speaker 4: think we got our expenses covered. But we would take
Speaker 4: time off without leave. Usually it'd end up coming back
Speaker 4: to work with a chipped finger and god knows what
Speaker 4: else and no leave and probably in the last couple
Speaker 4: of games you had to take to play those were
Speaker 4: there's time off work and so you didn't get paid,
Speaker 4: so you'd come back broke a bit sore, but but
Speaker 4: you did it for love. When you went to England,
Speaker 4: he made a bit of money, but that was never
Speaker 4: going to make you make you a wealthy person. Which
Speaker 4: is why I gave the game way at twenty five
Speaker 4: in New Zealand, because I had to go under a career.
Speaker 4: That was what we were faced with then. I mean,
Speaker 4: I wasn't a talent that Jerry was, clearly, but those
Speaker 4: were the realities and so we had to go and
Speaker 4: pursue a career. And and that's where that's what the
Speaker 4: situation is different for these players now. They can now
Speaker 4: play into their thirties, well into their thirties, and if
Speaker 4: for Jimmy Anderson, you can play when they're forty, for
Speaker 4: God's sake. But it's quite a different world now and
Speaker 4: I and I really I don't know what. I don't
Speaker 4: know what the answer is. The Only thing that I
Speaker 4: can try and think about is if you look at football,
Speaker 4: where where where people Yeah, clubs for instance, married in
Speaker 4: Phoenix sells players they've developed them. Now now I don't
Speaker 4: know if that sort of system could could ever emerge.
Speaker 4: But what you've got year the investment's been placed into
Speaker 4: these players out of New Zealand cricket for which there's
Speaker 4: no return on them per se. Yeah, Devin Conways come over,
Speaker 4: has crowded this opportunity. Would have you got it?
Speaker 5: Have they said?
Speaker 4: In South Africa? Who would know? But he's benefiting and
Speaker 4: quite one, quite rightly, fine, fine player. But is there
Speaker 4: something that New Zealand cricket should be rewarded for for
Speaker 4: the fact that they've developed or given that that individual
Speaker 4: the opportunity and others for that matter. I don't know
Speaker 4: and I doubt whether, unfortunately that could happen. But how
Speaker 4: does the Zeeland cricket recover its investment? And the question
Speaker 4: mark and very trickiness.
Speaker 2: That's a fair point. The landscape at the moment, Jerry
Speaker 2: is It's changeable, isn't it. It could be different in
Speaker 2: a week's time, a month's time, in a year's time.
Speaker 2: We're not going to know whether New Zealand cricket will
Speaker 2: have the ability or the control I supposed to control
Speaker 2: for the wrong word, but the availability of money to
Speaker 2: pay players a substantial wage that they can along their
Speaker 2: career past Peter Hollins twenty five into the real world
Speaker 2: of thirty five and forty.
Speaker 5: Now, no, that's it is the thing that money isn't
Speaker 5: a bit of an issue in the game at the moment,
Speaker 5: isn't it. I think everyone recognizes that that the fact
Speaker 5: that there is there's plenty of money to go round,
Speaker 5: so the game can thrived. You know, Cricket generally as
Speaker 5: a game has plenty of money with the three formats. Yes,
Speaker 5: one format just happens to be dominating the others at
Speaker 5: the moment. But you know, since since I reckoned about
Speaker 5: the two thousand's, cricket has moved from when I played,
Speaker 5: for example, and Move played, it was a spectator first game,
Speaker 5: but now it's become a television first game. And the
Speaker 5: rise of companies like Sky and Spark and so on,
Speaker 5: and overseas companies as well have brought with it huge
Speaker 5: money and that has created disparities and inequities. You know,
Speaker 5: so three countries have obviously benefited from that. And so
Speaker 5: it's India, Australia, England earning the high revenues principally from
Speaker 5: satellite Telly with your box and that sort of thing
Speaker 5: that you have in your house. So you know, or
Speaker 5: streamed and since and it's the size of the population
Speaker 5: that you have in your country, well who can determine
Speaker 5: that and the interest there is within that population of cricket. Now,
Speaker 5: New Zealand you can only raise money from two sources.
Speaker 5: If you're aboard, you raise it from the region that
Speaker 5: you are in, right, whether it's whether it's broadcasting or
Speaker 5: whether it's you know, sponsors and so on, but that's
Speaker 5: in your region. And then the second place you get
Speaker 5: it from is an ICC distribution of money of funds. Now.
Speaker 5: You know, for smaller countries like us and like the
Speaker 5: West Indies that we've been talking about, they just don't
Speaker 5: raise enough money. I mean here in New Zealand, for
Speaker 5: heaven's sake, Spark the TV company gave it up because
Speaker 5: to Television New Zealand for the last couple of years,
Speaker 5: just so they can get out of the costs of
Speaker 5: running it. You know, we've got a small population. How
Speaker 5: do we host teams who come over here? They pay
Speaker 5: for themselves. People that understand, when you go over to England,
Speaker 5: New Zealand pay the cost of the flights and all
Speaker 5: those sort of things to get over there. As soon
Speaker 5: as they land England take up the costs well, you know,
Speaker 5: accommodation and travel and all that stuff. Food and so
Speaker 5: what do we do as soon as they get off
Speaker 5: the plane. Here our touring teas that are coming, we
Speaker 5: want to get them away again because it costs us
Speaker 5: too much. We want to go. That's why we only
Speaker 5: get them two tests, isn't it?
Speaker 3: So you know the.
Speaker 5: Two areas. Obviously that things can change, well most that's
Speaker 5: a good idea. That's although I think the ICE, I
Speaker 5: think the IP do pay back to the boards. I
Speaker 5: think there is a little bit going back that way,
Speaker 5: but it's not much compared to the whole amount. Two things, obviously,
Speaker 5: the ICC distribution could perhaps change a bit, you know,
Speaker 5: smaller nations could get some money there.
Speaker 3: And secondly, they're starting.
Speaker 5: To talk about now that when Zimbabwe tour England, you know,
Speaker 5: England will pay them a fee. At the moment they
Speaker 5: don't pay them a fee the touring side.
Speaker 3: They might pay that side a.
Speaker 5: Fee to tour the side as well, you know, so
Speaker 5: that could be another perhaps incentive. Besides, it's not as
Speaker 5: if teams are turning up to the icy Stewart wheelbarrows.
Speaker 3: Are they at the.
Speaker 5: Door saying look, I want we want leather chairs for
Speaker 5: the boardroom, you know, or we want top grade run
Speaker 5: for the sponsors. You know. It's not that we want
Speaker 5: money for nets. We want money for some new cricket
Speaker 5: balls or a mawa you know that's improve our pictures.
Speaker 5: Those are the things that that smaller nations are wanting,
Speaker 5: particularly someone like the West Indies. You know. So those
Speaker 5: are the issues that are really confronting in New Zealand
Speaker 5: at the moment, and that's why we are in the situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, in I sense too that some of these television companies,
Speaker 2: I mean, judging by the Sky, the Spark, the TVNZ issue,
Speaker 2: probably don't have a lot of excess money to throw
Speaker 2: around the wave of cricket with all the other sports
Speaker 2: they have to deal. It's a challenge that we are
Speaker 2: going to have to look at in terms of our
Speaker 2: cricket and see where some of these players are going
Speaker 2: to get their living from, whether it's going to come
Speaker 2: from the Mumbai Indians or the Delhi Tigers or any
Speaker 2: of those names.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Now we've got players currently in the competition in America.
Speaker 2: We've got nine players in the MLC, Alan Conway, Ravendra Bolt, Graceful,
Speaker 2: Santner and Ferguson. There's three in one hundred that I've noticed, Sauthi, Mildon,
Speaker 2: Phillips and in Canada, sif At Monroe and Listera. And
Speaker 2: we don't have the money to even put those competitions
Speaker 2: on and invite Mitchell Stark to come out here and
Speaker 2: play in our local Dream eleven Super Smash. So there
Speaker 2: are major challenges that we're going to have to look
Speaker 2: at and discuss in the future.
Speaker 4: And just to that, so the Super Smash, we see
Speaker 4: Kain Williamson well the Supersess he's playing for the Dubai
Speaker 4: Super Giants, the Durbin Super Giants in South Africa. Yeah, so,
Speaker 4: and that's that's just a precursor of what more is
Speaker 4: going to happen with the leaking of our better players.
Speaker 4: It's somewhat there's a certain inevitability about it as they
Speaker 4: get bound in by their IPL employers, challenging.
Speaker 2: With a little bit of luck. Caine Williamson might will
Speaker 2: be playing in test matches for us in the near
Speaker 2: future because we've got a test side as we mentioned
Speaker 2: earlier that's going to be playing against Afghanistan in India.
Speaker 2: I understand all that hasn't been confirmed. There's a couple
Speaker 2: of games in Sri Lanka before the Test series against India,
Speaker 2: so that's going to be a spin friendly competition for
Speaker 2: five six Test matches. Then they come home to play
Speaker 2: against England. What sort of side are we going to
Speaker 2: have if you had a chant to have a look
Speaker 2: at the players. There's some replacements, but you know, the
Speaker 2: likes of Sauvi and those more experienced players are still
Speaker 2: probably going to be in the Test matches when they come.
Speaker 5: Well, not not necessarily, Brian, not if we are a
Speaker 5: bit more bold about approaching this transition phase between one
Speaker 5: side that has been very good and got terrific results
Speaker 5: but now is aging slightly. And you know, I don't
Speaker 5: want to be age just about that, but it does affect,
Speaker 5: you know, especially if you are a faster bowler. It's
Speaker 5: such a you know, a physical a physical thing that
Speaker 5: you have to do. I think one of the problems
Speaker 5: that is emerging is that we don't have a seam
Speaker 5: bowler or a faster bowler who bats. There's no there's
Speaker 5: no Dion Nash around nowadays. There's no Hadley, there's no
Speaker 5: Headley who bats, you know, what I mean around Nathan
Speaker 5: Smith might be one that is coming onto the edge
Speaker 5: of the scene, but I mean we've just got to
Speaker 5: play O'Rourke to join Henry and see us. Now none
Speaker 5: of those guys bat so already as far as our
Speaker 5: batting length is concerned, we've only got eight now, and
Speaker 5: then we've got those three. You know there won't be
Speaker 5: a Coogar line around. He's not taken a contract and
Speaker 5: so on. Sourly, I don't think can can manage it,
Speaker 5: to be honest, against that England side, whether it's Duffy,
Speaker 5: and then you shorten the line of the batting as well,
Speaker 5: So there's it's starting to become a bit of an
Speaker 5: issue obviously if Conway's there and then it's late in
Speaker 5: Conway and then you have Williamson, Mitchell, Ravendra Phillips in
Speaker 5: any order put a number beside them and blundles how blundles?
Speaker 5: How does blundle go? And he only plays test cricket,
Speaker 5: he doesn't play short form cricket anyway. You know, is
Speaker 5: it going to be a spinner? Is Brace going to
Speaker 5: be there or is you know Ravender's there already, Phillips
Speaker 5: would be there, but they're half spinners, So there is
Speaker 5: a little bit of an issue starting to come together there.
Speaker 4: For me, I'd agree with you, Jerry, and I think
Speaker 4: you could contrast what England have done with their Test side,
Speaker 4: where where they've politely moved ander Salon now now in
Speaker 4: they're coaching ranks I gather and bestow and bestow and folks. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they've they've they've been quite decisive. Uh, and clearly with
Speaker 4: the Night of the Future. Now, I don't know whether
Speaker 4: whether that's in our DNA here, it hasn't seemed that
Speaker 4: they wanted to adopt that, but I would have thought
Speaker 4: we're in a transitional phase here where I'm seeing some
Speaker 4: pretty talented young younger cricketers around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's plenty of young cricketers coming through, but perhaps
Speaker 2: a bit too young for the international scene at the moment.
Speaker 2: But specifically the side that goes to India and Sri
Speaker 2: Lanka before coming home for the series, they've got all
Speaker 2: these spinners now on contract. How many spinners do they take?
Speaker 2: Do they take them all? Sent a Patel Sody braceball
Speaker 2: along with Phillips.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 5: It's becoming more that we're getting more spin options that
Speaker 5: we are seemers really, aren't we. That's quite quite extraordinary.
Speaker 5: I don't know what they'll take once. Are they taking fifteen?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Generally the fifteen the number that they put on
Speaker 2: those squads. You can take others that only fifteen get
Speaker 2: paid for when you bear in mind the support crew
Speaker 2: that generally there's two for one, isn't there in terms
Speaker 2: of the people who go along there to be batting coach,
Speaker 2: bowling coach, fielding coach and mental skills coach and all
Speaker 2: those other coaches that they seem to require to use.
Speaker 2: So it's going to be an interesting challenge for the selectors.
Speaker 2: But you know, they're the names for people that we
Speaker 2: need to consider. There's not too many in the frame.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting what you say about Southy. He's our
Speaker 2: test captain.
Speaker 5: I know, but I'm sorry that you can't unless he
Speaker 5: changes and unless the pictures are doing something going up
Speaker 5: and down.
Speaker 3: He was much more effective in the T twenty, wasn't he.
Speaker 5: I'm just talking about the pictures only, and I don't
Speaker 5: think our pictures. We play England at Hagley Oval Base
Speaker 5: and Reserve and said in part when they come here England,
Speaker 5: I'm talking about they're not going to be up and down.
Speaker 5: I don't think at all. Maybe the flatter pictures. Again,
Speaker 5: you've got to have faster bowl as wads to get
Speaker 5: the difference and bounce rather than medium pace, which is
Speaker 5: what Tim Sowdy is at the moment. So I don't think,
Speaker 5: you know, I don't think he can use I mean
Speaker 5: they'll probably take him. That's the difference between the McCullum
Speaker 5: pipe selections and the way that we select sides here,
Speaker 5: isn't it really? I think England was as far as
Speaker 5: England is concerned, because they're coming here and we've seen
Speaker 5: them play recently. I mean, they've got a pretty predictable style,
Speaker 5: wouldn't you say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we know what they're going to do. They're playing
Speaker 2: attacking cricket and that's the way they go about things,
Speaker 2: the bass ball, et cetera. And they've proven against the
Speaker 2: West Indies. They won the last Test in under three days,
Speaker 2: didn't they.
Speaker 5: Oh, well, the margins the margins were huge, weren't they
Speaker 5: against the Western and innings and one hundred and fourteen
Speaker 5: in the first Test, two hundred and forty one in
Speaker 5: the second Test and ten wickets and they.
Speaker 3: Got the eighty four required.
Speaker 5: As you're talking about that third Test there they slaughtered
Speaker 5: them in seven overs, didn't they. So you know, I
Speaker 5: think they have quite a prediction. So New Zealand are
Speaker 5: going to be offered I think long periods to bat
Speaker 5: in that series, England will score more quickly. New Zealand
Speaker 5: don't need to get into a competition with them. What
Speaker 5: they've got to do is, for a start, they've got
Speaker 5: to get enough runs and they can use the time.
Speaker 5: If they can bat for four or five sessions, they
Speaker 5: do it. And they perhaps if they can bat for
Speaker 5: say nine sessions in the Test match and he's in
Speaker 5: it in the two innings, they will leave England to
Speaker 5: get the same number of runs and six that kind
Speaker 5: of thing. That's what we've got to kind of start
Speaker 5: to think about holding our catches and as far as
Speaker 5: the bowlers are concerned, move the ball. And I'm afraid
Speaker 5: we've got to be accurate as well, because we saw
Speaker 5: what happened to the West Indies when they didn't have
Speaker 5: the accuracy. We've seen the issues when coogar Line and
Speaker 5: Techno bold to them. Last time England were here, they
Speaker 5: got smashed. Brooke took them apart, didn't he? And Root
Speaker 5: and so we've got to be we've got to be
Speaker 5: good bowlers, move the ball and be accurate, so you
Speaker 5: know it's going to be an interesting series. And I
Speaker 5: would like to think that we didn't bowl too short
Speaker 5: too often, not as a plan. Short short, short, do.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: I think it's it's keep the ball up New Zealand
Speaker 5: as a place we nibble the ball, isn't it isn't
Speaker 5: that that hasn't changed, So I think we don't want
Speaker 5: to bowl too short when we more employment, you just
Speaker 5: use the delivery as a variety by all means.
Speaker 3: It's particularly if you've got pace.
Speaker 5: But you know said how they can't do it at
Speaker 5: his pace, not anymore.
Speaker 2: No, and they're going to be a better side when
Speaker 2: they get there too, aren't they paid?
Speaker 4: No question?
Speaker 3: No question?
Speaker 4: Uh. And I think that we New Zealans this is
Speaker 4: a precursor to to what they would view as their
Speaker 4: their their main course, which is the ashes. And you
Speaker 4: can see the side that England is developing and they're
Speaker 4: getting wood bowling extreme express. It's very exciting to watch
Speaker 4: that with my dad. Got Atkinson bows a heavy ball.
Speaker 4: By the look of it, You've got wokes who can
Speaker 4: bat and while getting wire kids. This is a pretty
Speaker 4: good side that they're looking at here and players who
Speaker 4: can go quick. The Smith jery that you talked about
Speaker 4: the keeping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good player.
Speaker 4: He looks good and you can sort of see where
Speaker 4: they're look into. And I applaud, which I wouldn't have
Speaker 4: always done, McCallum and his people for making the calls
Speaker 4: that they have now early, and that's perhaps a lesson
Speaker 4: for us because this looks I think it's going to
Speaker 4: be exciting cricket fabulous. I can't wait.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you make a fair point there. I was
Speaker 2: interested when Smith got out for ninety five. They were
Speaker 2: crying in the commentary box because he didn't get a hundred.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I know a hundred's an important milestone for any individual cricketer.
Speaker 2: But I always remember one New Zealand cricketer telling me
Speaker 2: when he was out for ninety nine that he'd much
Speaker 2: rather dwell on what he got than what he didn't get.
Speaker 2: And I thought that was a pretty good attitude. That
Speaker 2: I got ninety nine, I've got to be happy with that,
Speaker 2: and I think that's that's fair enough. Hunters will come
Speaker 2: the way of Smith. He looks at that sort of player.
Speaker 2: He's uh, he said, he's just a different middle t
Speaker 2: laa order batsman.
Speaker 5: I thought he kept well two guys I don't know
Speaker 5: because I didn't notice.
Speaker 3: Them, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: He kind of just he got down low, he took
Speaker 5: the catchers. Whereas when I was over watching the ashes,
Speaker 5: you did notice Johnny Bearstow because he wasn't having a
Speaker 5: particularly good time. And that's what happens with keepers. I
Speaker 5: think the best keepers you just you know, you you think,
Speaker 5: oh that's been taken on. That was nicely taken, wasn't it.
Speaker 5: But he didn't make a fuss about it, you know.
Speaker 5: And and so I thought he had a pretty good series,
Speaker 5: he and Atkinson, what what you mentioned Atkinson and the
Speaker 5: Basha to a certain extent, he didn't have much chance
Speaker 5: because he didn't bowl the second innings very often. So
Speaker 5: I thought all those three, you know, of the guys
Speaker 5: that were talked about before that series, I thought they
Speaker 5: had good series.
Speaker 4: This year is interesting, isn't it. And again they they
Speaker 4: they moved on Leech who you know, Yeah, that bad
Speaker 4: been pretty pretty useful and good wik ad taken. But
Speaker 4: this year they've they've got that person who's tall gets
Speaker 4: loop bounce and again thinking about Australia and for that matter,
Speaker 4: if you think about what happened at the Basin and
Speaker 4: what Lion did there this year, which was a bit
Speaker 4: of a surprise to us, all got.
Speaker 3: Bounce so and Phillips yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. But when you've got that that height,
Speaker 4: but you know they've they've clearly thought through for a
Speaker 4: person who I think had only played a few first
Speaker 4: class games, when when when when he debuted in India
Speaker 4: this year all last year, it's quite insightful from from
Speaker 4: that lot over there, and again, as I say it again,
Speaker 4: perhaps we ever listened to learn here from New Zealand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what Thiss do when
Speaker 2: they pick their side. We haven't got much cricket for
Speaker 2: the next few weeks. I think you're going are playing
Speaker 2: Sri Lanka. That's not too far away, I guess guys.
Speaker 2: It's going to have to be the Olympic Games and
Speaker 2: good to see ladies sevens team doing the business and
Speaker 2: getting the first gold for New Zealand. We've got to
Speaker 2: shoes to talk about quite clearly, from what happens when
Speaker 2: we get the contracts sorted and of the selection of
Speaker 2: the side. So thank you very much for your input.
Speaker 2: You guys, you can watch a bit of Olympics most
Speaker 2: and enjoy it.
Speaker 4: I show indeed was rather liking the archery at the moment.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm actually I'm liking the women's of each volleyball.
Speaker 2: That's quite good.
Speaker 5: And you Jerry, Yeah, I'm waiting for the digger hole competition.
Speaker 3: Is that in there this year? Yeah?
Speaker 2: It's getting bigger too.
Speaker 3: I'm digging it for myself at the moment. Yeah.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, thanks very much. Talk to you again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll do onds.
Speaker 5: You better get off and learn those volleyball rules, haven't you,
Speaker 5: so you can then riff your women's game.
Speaker 2: It's the technique I'm after. See you next week.
Speaker 3: All right. Cheers, vunties us Summers.
Speaker 1: For more from News Talk sed B, listen live on
Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.