1 00:00:09,133 --> 00:00:12,013 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Seed B. 2 00:00:12,413 --> 00:00:15,213 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 3 00:00:15,373 --> 00:00:20,773 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio taken. 4 00:00:20,573 --> 00:00:20,893 Speaker 2: On the pad. 5 00:00:20,973 --> 00:00:23,053 Speaker 3: Now we don't I'll get in. It's a right trick. 6 00:00:23,613 --> 00:00:25,333 Speaker 2: It is out, the test is over. 7 00:00:27,573 --> 00:00:30,573 Speaker 3: Goodness, make a bet it is out. 8 00:00:31,213 --> 00:00:33,053 Speaker 4: And hearing guys, this delivery has. 9 00:00:32,973 --> 00:00:34,053 Speaker 3: In the US as we go. 10 00:00:36,653 --> 00:00:40,053 Speaker 1: On the Front Foot with Brian Waddle and Jeremy Coney 11 00:00:40,373 --> 00:00:44,293 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks head B at iHeart Radio. 12 00:00:47,893 --> 00:00:51,293 Speaker 2: Hello, Welcome to on the Front Foot again with Brian 13 00:00:51,333 --> 00:00:54,333 Speaker 2: Waddel of Jeremy Coney and the special guest this week 14 00:00:54,533 --> 00:00:58,133 Speaker 2: he joined us previously Peter Holland, former New Jitlian cricketer 15 00:00:58,253 --> 00:01:03,293 Speaker 2: and a man with a wide knowledge of cricket from 16 00:01:03,333 --> 00:01:07,213 Speaker 2: around the world, played in the Dutch League as well 17 00:01:07,413 --> 00:01:09,933 Speaker 2: as playing in is Land and Peter Holland. What we're 18 00:01:09,933 --> 00:01:12,253 Speaker 2: talking about this week is a Queen sweep for England 19 00:01:12,253 --> 00:01:14,893 Speaker 2: over the West Indies, did it in under three days. 20 00:01:15,293 --> 00:01:18,973 Speaker 2: The black Caps still deciding on their contract list, what 21 00:01:19,013 --> 00:01:22,293 Speaker 2: does the landscape look like for the future, and the 22 00:01:22,293 --> 00:01:25,333 Speaker 2: first test of a new nine test program for the 23 00:01:25,373 --> 00:01:30,453 Speaker 2: Black Cap will be staged at Greater Neider Sporting Complex. 24 00:01:31,413 --> 00:01:34,133 Speaker 2: And we start with Jeremy Coney now going to explain 25 00:01:34,213 --> 00:01:38,053 Speaker 2: what the Greater Neider Sporting Complex is because I've never 26 00:01:38,093 --> 00:01:40,133 Speaker 2: heard of it up until today when I found out. 27 00:01:40,413 --> 00:01:42,493 Speaker 2: That's when usuallyand you're going to play Afghanistan. 28 00:01:42,493 --> 00:01:47,373 Speaker 3: Hello Jerry, you know what? Hello Mose, how are you good? 29 00:01:48,213 --> 00:01:48,413 Speaker 4: Yeah? 30 00:01:48,493 --> 00:01:49,253 Speaker 3: Great Annoider. 31 00:01:49,293 --> 00:01:54,013 Speaker 5: I don't know whether there's a less Annoyder it. Actually 32 00:01:54,173 --> 00:01:56,533 Speaker 5: it has another name, doesn't it. It's almost if they 33 00:01:56,533 --> 00:02:00,933 Speaker 5: don't like it, and they call it the shade VJ. 34 00:02:01,293 --> 00:02:08,413 Speaker 5: Singh Partick Sports Complex at Great Annider. You need a 35 00:02:08,453 --> 00:02:10,253 Speaker 5: hell of a big piece of paper to write that 36 00:02:10,413 --> 00:02:17,013 Speaker 5: down on, don't you. But yeah, look it's an a pretesh, 37 00:02:17,173 --> 00:02:20,613 Speaker 5: isn't it. And it's a it's a It's a state 38 00:02:20,813 --> 00:02:25,373 Speaker 5: in the north of India that that borders with Nepal. 39 00:02:26,453 --> 00:02:29,013 Speaker 3: So it has its capital city is luck Now. 40 00:02:29,173 --> 00:02:31,533 Speaker 5: And I mean some of our listeners will know that 41 00:02:31,773 --> 00:02:34,453 Speaker 5: from the franchise. You know, they have a side in 42 00:02:34,493 --> 00:02:37,773 Speaker 5: the ip of the luck Now Super Giants. They have 43 00:02:37,853 --> 00:02:43,093 Speaker 5: a Rangy Trophy side which is their first class cricket 44 00:02:43,453 --> 00:02:46,293 Speaker 5: and they've had they've got players like puled YadA comes 45 00:02:46,293 --> 00:02:54,613 Speaker 5: from there, and and and Kumar Mohammed Cafe came from there. 46 00:02:54,653 --> 00:03:01,013 Speaker 5: I think, so, yeah, you've done then, well I knew 47 00:03:01,053 --> 00:03:03,733 Speaker 5: those things. Was that's about all the three players I 48 00:03:03,773 --> 00:03:06,813 Speaker 5: know from there. 49 00:03:08,173 --> 00:03:11,093 Speaker 2: You haven't played there, and I guess Peter Hollanden has 50 00:03:11,133 --> 00:03:13,893 Speaker 2: had more teams I think than than just about any 51 00:03:13,933 --> 00:03:15,013 Speaker 2: other cricketer in the world. 52 00:03:17,853 --> 00:03:19,813 Speaker 4: No, it's better say I haven't played there. That would 53 00:03:19,813 --> 00:03:21,733 Speaker 4: be that, that would be, that would be a fair assumption. 54 00:03:22,293 --> 00:03:27,453 Speaker 4: I I do think that, assuming this match is going ahead, 55 00:03:28,453 --> 00:03:33,093 Speaker 4: because we're a bit light on information, it could be 56 00:03:33,133 --> 00:03:37,893 Speaker 4: a rather tricky little event for a new student coming 57 00:03:37,893 --> 00:03:42,533 Speaker 4: out of where we are now against well Afghanistan who 58 00:03:42,533 --> 00:03:45,813 Speaker 4: showed quit of form and they have very fine spinners, 59 00:03:45,813 --> 00:03:49,573 Speaker 4: says we all know, and batting is not the worst thoughts. 60 00:03:50,573 --> 00:03:52,773 Speaker 2: Most of them are playing best cricket at the moment, though, 61 00:03:52,773 --> 00:03:55,533 Speaker 2: aren't they Most of the team would be. They're all playing, 62 00:03:55,853 --> 00:03:59,493 Speaker 2: you know, the this frivolous Champagne game that is paying 63 00:03:59,493 --> 00:04:03,413 Speaker 2: out big money. So it's interesting to know what sort 64 00:04:03,413 --> 00:04:08,493 Speaker 2: of side they're likely to choose to go there, if if, 65 00:04:08,333 --> 00:04:11,173 Speaker 2: if they've been able to sign contracts, you know, they've 66 00:04:11,173 --> 00:04:13,173 Speaker 2: got an issue with those contracts at the moment. Jerry, 67 00:04:13,173 --> 00:04:16,413 Speaker 2: haven't they that you know, players like Williamson, Bolt, et cetera, 68 00:04:16,413 --> 00:04:21,973 Speaker 2: et cetera haven't signed. There's question marks around Conway signing. 69 00:04:22,013 --> 00:04:25,173 Speaker 2: And we haven't seen a list. We've seen the names 70 00:04:25,533 --> 00:04:28,493 Speaker 2: of the players who've been offered contracts, but doesn't mean 71 00:04:28,493 --> 00:04:32,773 Speaker 2: to say they've accepted them. And you know there must 72 00:04:32,773 --> 00:04:34,413 Speaker 2: be a hell of a mess to try and pick 73 00:04:34,453 --> 00:04:36,293 Speaker 2: aside in those circumstances. 74 00:04:36,373 --> 00:04:40,493 Speaker 5: Jerry, Well, yeah, I think everyone should realize. You know, 75 00:04:40,693 --> 00:04:43,933 Speaker 5: there will be some uncomfortable moments, I think, and it's 76 00:04:43,933 --> 00:04:45,693 Speaker 5: probably going on right now, isn't it. 77 00:04:45,693 --> 00:04:45,973 Speaker 3: Brian. 78 00:04:46,093 --> 00:04:48,533 Speaker 5: With the you say that they've made a list, that 79 00:04:48,573 --> 00:04:52,693 Speaker 5: they've invited people if they want a contract or not. Yeah, 80 00:04:52,733 --> 00:04:55,533 Speaker 5: but now you've got to go through the actual process 81 00:04:55,613 --> 00:05:01,653 Speaker 5: itself of meeting the players. Look, we may not lose 82 00:05:01,733 --> 00:05:05,693 Speaker 5: many players at all. I don't know, but there's no doubt. 83 00:05:06,173 --> 00:05:07,733 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sure both of you have heard of 84 00:05:07,733 --> 00:05:11,013 Speaker 5: Bob Dylan, the times they are a changing, and I 85 00:05:12,093 --> 00:05:14,373 Speaker 5: don't know whether he played much cricket himself either, But 86 00:05:15,333 --> 00:05:20,733 Speaker 5: the players we are going to you know what we've 87 00:05:20,733 --> 00:05:26,053 Speaker 5: got as meetings between players, some of them the better 88 00:05:26,093 --> 00:05:33,253 Speaker 5: ones are in some cases millionaires and multimillionaires, wealthy by 89 00:05:33,293 --> 00:05:36,453 Speaker 5: New Zealand standards, and I don't know who they'll be 90 00:05:36,493 --> 00:05:39,013 Speaker 5: going to see, Is it Scott Weenick. And let's say 91 00:05:39,053 --> 00:05:42,813 Speaker 5: it's Scott Weenick and he's sitting there with a number 92 00:05:42,813 --> 00:05:45,253 Speaker 5: on a piece of paper that New Zealand Cricket can 93 00:05:45,293 --> 00:05:48,773 Speaker 5: afford and he opens it up and it's kind of laughable. 94 00:05:49,533 --> 00:05:51,613 Speaker 5: And then of course there's a clause at the end 95 00:05:51,653 --> 00:05:53,213 Speaker 5: of the piece of paper that says you've got to 96 00:05:53,213 --> 00:05:56,693 Speaker 5: play super smash here as well. And the money being 97 00:05:56,733 --> 00:06:02,013 Speaker 5: offered some of these players for franchise cricket is probably 98 00:06:02,053 --> 00:06:05,733 Speaker 5: between two and ten times as much, and that's for 99 00:06:05,853 --> 00:06:08,253 Speaker 5: five weeks only. 100 00:06:09,533 --> 00:06:10,973 Speaker 3: There is a bit of an issue. Now. 101 00:06:10,973 --> 00:06:12,973 Speaker 5: I don't know what you guys think of that, but 102 00:06:13,053 --> 00:06:18,373 Speaker 5: that's the kind of guys of tectonic change that is 103 00:06:18,453 --> 00:06:19,293 Speaker 5: taking place. 104 00:06:20,453 --> 00:06:22,053 Speaker 3: My last point, I suppose I could. 105 00:06:22,173 --> 00:06:23,973 Speaker 5: I mean, I could make lots of points about this 106 00:06:24,093 --> 00:06:26,733 Speaker 5: and about it comes to what's happened to cricket in 107 00:06:26,733 --> 00:06:27,333 Speaker 5: the last. 108 00:06:27,093 --> 00:06:28,053 Speaker 3: Twenty odd years. 109 00:06:28,053 --> 00:06:31,333 Speaker 5: But you know, the top players are more important for 110 00:06:31,453 --> 00:06:36,133 Speaker 5: developing teams than one you know, of smaller nations than 111 00:06:36,173 --> 00:06:39,013 Speaker 5: they are for the larger teams. You know, they're much 112 00:06:39,053 --> 00:06:43,893 Speaker 5: more vulnerable and their boards can't pay big contracts. They're 113 00:06:43,933 --> 00:06:48,133 Speaker 5: not paying huge fees, and as the players get older, 114 00:06:49,133 --> 00:06:50,933 Speaker 5: they feel they kind of need a winful. 115 00:06:51,013 --> 00:06:56,453 Speaker 3: You mentioned Devin Conway Thereds. If it's him, he. 116 00:06:56,533 --> 00:06:59,613 Speaker 5: Might say he's in his thirties, he's married, he thinking 117 00:06:59,613 --> 00:07:01,653 Speaker 5: of family, and he might have a family already, but 118 00:07:02,173 --> 00:07:03,533 Speaker 5: they might need a windfall. 119 00:07:03,853 --> 00:07:07,053 Speaker 3: It'll set them up. So if there is an offer 120 00:07:07,773 --> 00:07:11,973 Speaker 3: of movieans to join a team in a franchise, it's 121 00:07:12,013 --> 00:07:15,893 Speaker 3: like winning lotto for them when it arrives, you know, 122 00:07:16,053 --> 00:07:18,973 Speaker 3: and the private equity owners say is yep, will take 123 00:07:19,013 --> 00:07:23,613 Speaker 3: you New Zealand cricket. Really, there's not much they can do, 124 00:07:23,773 --> 00:07:26,773 Speaker 3: is there. He's presented with a figure that's what you know, 125 00:07:27,413 --> 00:07:29,453 Speaker 3: as I say, within the budget of New Zealand. But 126 00:07:29,493 --> 00:07:32,493 Speaker 3: it's laughable, and you've got to play some of domestic games. 127 00:07:33,213 --> 00:07:36,773 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's understandable, most, isn't it. You know, you get 128 00:07:36,813 --> 00:07:39,893 Speaker 2: to get these contracts and there's only so many players 129 00:07:39,893 --> 00:07:41,933 Speaker 2: are going to get the offers, aren't there. You know, 130 00:07:42,293 --> 00:07:46,453 Speaker 2: the guy who plays number six for Otago and is 131 00:07:46,453 --> 00:07:48,533 Speaker 2: a sort of a part timer, he's not going to 132 00:07:48,693 --> 00:07:51,213 Speaker 2: make the big money or get the big offers, and 133 00:07:51,493 --> 00:07:54,453 Speaker 2: New Zealand can't afford to pay what England and Australia 134 00:07:54,493 --> 00:07:56,813 Speaker 2: can pay in terms of the contracts. 135 00:07:56,893 --> 00:08:00,933 Speaker 4: It's actually rather simple, isn't it. It's called capital cash, 136 00:08:01,413 --> 00:08:05,093 Speaker 4: an absence thereof Well that's what we're seeing, and all 137 00:08:05,093 --> 00:08:08,293 Speaker 4: we're seeing now is effectively what's happened to the Western 138 00:08:08,413 --> 00:08:13,893 Speaker 4: these several years ago, where their players said I don't 139 00:08:13,893 --> 00:08:18,653 Speaker 4: get enough here playing from a country. They were the 140 00:08:18,693 --> 00:08:20,733 Speaker 4: four runners of this, and you know, we tended to 141 00:08:20,773 --> 00:08:23,853 Speaker 4: look at that a little bit and think, well, that's 142 00:08:23,853 --> 00:08:25,493 Speaker 4: not so good and how bad is that for West 143 00:08:25,533 --> 00:08:31,333 Speaker 4: Indies Cricket now scroll forward, as they say, and that's 144 00:08:31,373 --> 00:08:35,853 Speaker 4: what we're facing right now. And cricket now, compared to 145 00:08:36,093 --> 00:08:38,933 Speaker 4: the times when we were playing, is a genuine career 146 00:08:40,413 --> 00:08:43,213 Speaker 4: where where you can damn find money if you're good 147 00:08:43,293 --> 00:08:45,933 Speaker 4: enough and you're dead right once. In so far as 148 00:08:46,493 --> 00:08:49,453 Speaker 4: if you look at that listing there of players on offer, 149 00:08:50,013 --> 00:08:54,573 Speaker 4: about a third of them possibly tops, are going to 150 00:08:54,573 --> 00:08:56,813 Speaker 4: be those attractive sort of players. The rest of them 151 00:08:57,213 --> 00:09:01,693 Speaker 4: are emerging cricketers. But then when and if they succeed, 152 00:09:01,813 --> 00:09:03,973 Speaker 4: we can see the same thing happening. I mean I 153 00:09:04,333 --> 00:09:06,573 Speaker 4: have great sympathy for Scott Wene, who sort of walked 154 00:09:06,613 --> 00:09:10,333 Speaker 4: into a very very true in thee Zealand cricket, very 155 00:09:10,453 --> 00:09:17,133 Speaker 4: tricky situation because what what, what options and what leverage 156 00:09:17,173 --> 00:09:20,893 Speaker 4: does does his Zealand cricket have Basically it has it 157 00:09:20,933 --> 00:09:24,613 Speaker 4: has none, And as Jerry points out, you know, we 158 00:09:24,773 --> 00:09:27,293 Speaker 4: just can't offer these players what they what they what 159 00:09:27,333 --> 00:09:30,093 Speaker 4: they're what they can get in the open market. So 160 00:09:30,173 --> 00:09:33,413 Speaker 4: I suspect some sort of revamp of the player's contracts 161 00:09:33,493 --> 00:09:35,613 Speaker 4: going to have to be nutted out. Quite what that 162 00:09:35,693 --> 00:09:39,133 Speaker 4: looks like, I have no idea, but I think Jerry, 163 00:09:39,453 --> 00:09:42,213 Speaker 4: they did write about Bob Dylan. He was right. They 164 00:09:42,213 --> 00:09:44,893 Speaker 4: certainly are changing, and I think it presents real dilemmas 165 00:09:44,893 --> 00:09:45,413 Speaker 4: for us. 166 00:09:45,693 --> 00:09:48,653 Speaker 2: I mean Bob Dylan. 167 00:09:48,653 --> 00:09:52,893 Speaker 5: H yeah, yeah, that's right, he did well, only when 168 00:09:52,893 --> 00:09:53,893 Speaker 5: he changed his name. 169 00:09:54,613 --> 00:09:58,173 Speaker 3: Yeah, he changed his name to Dylan. I remember standing 170 00:09:58,213 --> 00:10:01,733 Speaker 3: beside Bob Willis we're talking about everybody in a fast 171 00:10:01,773 --> 00:10:05,493 Speaker 3: bowlert for England. He loved Bob Dylan and knew all 172 00:10:05,533 --> 00:10:09,013 Speaker 3: the lyrics of Bob Dylan's songs, and I can remember 173 00:10:09,013 --> 00:10:13,213 Speaker 3: standing by him at a party and he just saying 174 00:10:13,373 --> 00:10:16,453 Speaker 3: the whole of Dylan's numbers. It was very boring, but 175 00:10:16,533 --> 00:10:18,733 Speaker 3: that's okay. He liked that. 176 00:10:18,893 --> 00:10:23,093 Speaker 5: But the other point I would make, and there's something 177 00:10:23,133 --> 00:10:28,613 Speaker 5: in me says it's inherently wrong. But when I faced 178 00:10:28,653 --> 00:10:32,293 Speaker 5: capll dev or Bob Willis say, or Ashley Mallett or Lily, 179 00:10:33,253 --> 00:10:36,933 Speaker 5: there wouldn't have been a huge disparity between part of 180 00:10:36,973 --> 00:10:38,693 Speaker 5: what we were paid. They might have been paid a 181 00:10:38,733 --> 00:10:42,773 Speaker 5: bit more, but it was because there was not much 182 00:10:42,853 --> 00:10:45,533 Speaker 5: money in the game as a whole. And that was, 183 00:10:45,573 --> 00:10:50,493 Speaker 5: you know, forty years ago. But now when Ben Sears, 184 00:10:50,573 --> 00:10:53,573 Speaker 5: if he selected runs in at the basin to bolt 185 00:10:53,573 --> 00:10:56,853 Speaker 5: to Joe Root or to Travis Head or Mitchell start 186 00:10:56,893 --> 00:11:01,293 Speaker 5: bowling to Will Young, you know they're both players, are 187 00:11:01,293 --> 00:11:05,733 Speaker 5: representing their countries, both are in the same game, both 188 00:11:05,733 --> 00:11:09,173 Speaker 5: are on the same ground, both to do well for 189 00:11:09,253 --> 00:11:12,853 Speaker 5: their side. And yet one is getting maybe three times 190 00:11:12,893 --> 00:11:16,893 Speaker 5: more for the fees for playing that match, and more importantly, 191 00:11:17,453 --> 00:11:21,733 Speaker 5: probably ten times as much for their contract for doing 192 00:11:21,773 --> 00:11:25,293 Speaker 5: the same things for their team. And as I say, 193 00:11:25,413 --> 00:11:29,773 Speaker 5: something doesn't feel quite right within me about that. 194 00:11:31,293 --> 00:11:34,013 Speaker 2: The question it poses for me is that the players 195 00:11:34,053 --> 00:11:38,013 Speaker 2: that are getting offers have earned them. They've grown up 196 00:11:38,053 --> 00:11:41,173 Speaker 2: through a system that's paid and prepared them, and then 197 00:11:41,213 --> 00:11:44,373 Speaker 2: they've developed their game to earn the money. I just 198 00:11:44,453 --> 00:11:47,373 Speaker 2: wonder is it doing anything for the good of cricket 199 00:11:47,693 --> 00:11:51,373 Speaker 2: in general. Nice to have all these people with the 200 00:11:51,373 --> 00:11:54,933 Speaker 2: big money, but is it helping the development? Are we 201 00:11:55,173 --> 00:12:00,613 Speaker 2: just preparing players now for IPL contracts, MLC or Sri 202 00:12:00,733 --> 00:12:05,053 Speaker 2: Lankan contracts and not really caring too much about what 203 00:12:05,133 --> 00:12:08,173 Speaker 2: happens to the New Zealand game. I mean, Peter, when 204 00:12:08,213 --> 00:12:12,373 Speaker 2: you played, you put your body and soul into playing 205 00:12:12,413 --> 00:12:15,893 Speaker 2: for well, how many associations did you play for a 206 00:12:15,933 --> 00:12:18,133 Speaker 2: dozen or more? 207 00:12:18,253 --> 00:12:20,613 Speaker 4: And three of them was only three? 208 00:12:21,613 --> 00:12:23,613 Speaker 3: Three out of six, three out of six. 209 00:12:24,853 --> 00:12:27,293 Speaker 2: But you went you went overseas as well, didn't you. 210 00:12:27,293 --> 00:12:27,533 Speaker 3: You? 211 00:12:27,533 --> 00:12:32,013 Speaker 2: You England played in the Dutch competition, so you had 212 00:12:32,013 --> 00:12:35,693 Speaker 2: a chance to widen your horizons, didn't you correct? 213 00:12:36,093 --> 00:12:39,973 Speaker 4: And And but the reality was was is that, Yes, 214 00:12:40,053 --> 00:12:42,453 Speaker 4: I got paid when I went across to England. I 215 00:12:42,453 --> 00:12:46,173 Speaker 4: think we got our expenses covered. But we would take 216 00:12:46,213 --> 00:12:48,973 Speaker 4: time off without leave. Usually it'd end up coming back 217 00:12:49,013 --> 00:12:51,653 Speaker 4: to work with a chipped finger and god knows what 218 00:12:51,813 --> 00:12:54,693 Speaker 4: else and no leave and probably in the last couple 219 00:12:54,773 --> 00:12:58,133 Speaker 4: of games you had to take to play those were 220 00:12:58,213 --> 00:13:00,813 Speaker 4: there's time off work and so you didn't get paid, 221 00:13:01,173 --> 00:13:05,773 Speaker 4: so you'd come back broke a bit sore, but but 222 00:13:05,853 --> 00:13:08,173 Speaker 4: you did it for love. When you went to England, 223 00:13:08,693 --> 00:13:10,133 Speaker 4: he made a bit of money, but that was never 224 00:13:10,173 --> 00:13:12,373 Speaker 4: going to make you make you a wealthy person. Which 225 00:13:12,413 --> 00:13:14,813 Speaker 4: is why I gave the game way at twenty five 226 00:13:15,773 --> 00:13:18,053 Speaker 4: in New Zealand, because I had to go under a career. 227 00:13:18,413 --> 00:13:20,453 Speaker 4: That was what we were faced with then. I mean, 228 00:13:20,453 --> 00:13:24,093 Speaker 4: I wasn't a talent that Jerry was, clearly, but those 229 00:13:24,093 --> 00:13:27,213 Speaker 4: were the realities and so we had to go and 230 00:13:27,253 --> 00:13:30,973 Speaker 4: pursue a career. And and that's where that's what the 231 00:13:31,013 --> 00:13:34,093 Speaker 4: situation is different for these players now. They can now 232 00:13:34,133 --> 00:13:36,413 Speaker 4: play into their thirties, well into their thirties, and if 233 00:13:36,413 --> 00:13:38,733 Speaker 4: for Jimmy Anderson, you can play when they're forty, for 234 00:13:38,813 --> 00:13:42,813 Speaker 4: God's sake. But it's quite a different world now and 235 00:13:42,853 --> 00:13:45,813 Speaker 4: I and I really I don't know what. I don't 236 00:13:45,813 --> 00:13:47,533 Speaker 4: know what the answer is. The Only thing that I 237 00:13:47,533 --> 00:13:51,693 Speaker 4: can try and think about is if you look at football, 238 00:13:52,173 --> 00:13:56,813 Speaker 4: where where where people Yeah, clubs for instance, married in 239 00:13:56,813 --> 00:14:03,333 Speaker 4: Phoenix sells players they've developed them. Now now I don't 240 00:14:03,333 --> 00:14:06,613 Speaker 4: know if that sort of system could could ever emerge. 241 00:14:06,653 --> 00:14:10,933 Speaker 4: But what you've got year the investment's been placed into 242 00:14:11,213 --> 00:14:14,533 Speaker 4: these players out of New Zealand cricket for which there's 243 00:14:14,573 --> 00:14:18,693 Speaker 4: no return on them per se. Yeah, Devin Conways come over, 244 00:14:19,373 --> 00:14:21,293 Speaker 4: has crowded this opportunity. Would have you got it? 245 00:14:21,333 --> 00:14:21,813 Speaker 5: Have they said? 246 00:14:22,253 --> 00:14:26,293 Speaker 4: In South Africa? Who would know? But he's benefiting and 247 00:14:26,373 --> 00:14:30,213 Speaker 4: quite one, quite rightly, fine, fine player. But is there 248 00:14:30,253 --> 00:14:33,053 Speaker 4: something that New Zealand cricket should be rewarded for for 249 00:14:33,093 --> 00:14:36,053 Speaker 4: the fact that they've developed or given that that individual 250 00:14:36,093 --> 00:14:38,453 Speaker 4: the opportunity and others for that matter. I don't know 251 00:14:38,693 --> 00:14:42,253 Speaker 4: and I doubt whether, unfortunately that could happen. But how 252 00:14:42,253 --> 00:14:46,213 Speaker 4: does the Zeeland cricket recover its investment? And the question 253 00:14:46,333 --> 00:14:48,773 Speaker 4: mark and very trickiness. 254 00:14:49,413 --> 00:14:52,773 Speaker 2: That's a fair point. The landscape at the moment, Jerry 255 00:14:53,093 --> 00:14:58,093 Speaker 2: is It's changeable, isn't it. It could be different in 256 00:14:58,133 --> 00:15:01,293 Speaker 2: a week's time, a month's time, in a year's time. 257 00:15:01,533 --> 00:15:03,693 Speaker 2: We're not going to know whether New Zealand cricket will 258 00:15:03,733 --> 00:15:09,293 Speaker 2: have the ability or the control I supposed to control 259 00:15:09,333 --> 00:15:13,813 Speaker 2: for the wrong word, but the availability of money to 260 00:15:14,093 --> 00:15:19,653 Speaker 2: pay players a substantial wage that they can along their 261 00:15:19,693 --> 00:15:23,413 Speaker 2: career past Peter Hollins twenty five into the real world 262 00:15:23,453 --> 00:15:24,973 Speaker 2: of thirty five and forty. 263 00:15:25,093 --> 00:15:31,253 Speaker 5: Now, no, that's it is the thing that money isn't 264 00:15:31,253 --> 00:15:33,133 Speaker 5: a bit of an issue in the game at the moment, 265 00:15:33,173 --> 00:15:36,413 Speaker 5: isn't it. I think everyone recognizes that that the fact 266 00:15:36,413 --> 00:15:39,013 Speaker 5: that there is there's plenty of money to go round, 267 00:15:39,893 --> 00:15:43,053 Speaker 5: so the game can thrived. You know, Cricket generally as 268 00:15:43,093 --> 00:15:47,173 Speaker 5: a game has plenty of money with the three formats. Yes, 269 00:15:47,533 --> 00:15:50,293 Speaker 5: one format just happens to be dominating the others at 270 00:15:50,293 --> 00:15:54,053 Speaker 5: the moment. But you know, since since I reckoned about 271 00:15:54,093 --> 00:15:58,413 Speaker 5: the two thousand's, cricket has moved from when I played, 272 00:15:58,413 --> 00:16:03,013 Speaker 5: for example, and Move played, it was a spectator first game, 273 00:16:03,293 --> 00:16:06,573 Speaker 5: but now it's become a television first game. And the 274 00:16:06,693 --> 00:16:10,893 Speaker 5: rise of companies like Sky and Spark and so on, 275 00:16:11,013 --> 00:16:15,693 Speaker 5: and overseas companies as well have brought with it huge 276 00:16:15,773 --> 00:16:22,533 Speaker 5: money and that has created disparities and inequities. You know, 277 00:16:22,773 --> 00:16:29,053 Speaker 5: so three countries have obviously benefited from that. And so 278 00:16:29,093 --> 00:16:33,493 Speaker 5: it's India, Australia, England earning the high revenues principally from 279 00:16:34,093 --> 00:16:36,613 Speaker 5: satellite Telly with your box and that sort of thing 280 00:16:36,653 --> 00:16:39,773 Speaker 5: that you have in your house. So you know, or 281 00:16:39,853 --> 00:16:44,413 Speaker 5: streamed and since and it's the size of the population 282 00:16:44,613 --> 00:16:47,013 Speaker 5: that you have in your country, well who can determine 283 00:16:47,013 --> 00:16:53,693 Speaker 5: that and the interest there is within that population of cricket. Now, 284 00:16:53,893 --> 00:16:56,573 Speaker 5: New Zealand you can only raise money from two sources. 285 00:16:56,613 --> 00:16:59,973 Speaker 5: If you're aboard, you raise it from the region that 286 00:17:00,013 --> 00:17:05,213 Speaker 5: you are in, right, whether it's whether it's broadcasting or 287 00:17:05,253 --> 00:17:08,973 Speaker 5: whether it's you know, sponsors and so on, but that's 288 00:17:09,013 --> 00:17:12,093 Speaker 5: in your region. And then the second place you get 289 00:17:12,093 --> 00:17:16,773 Speaker 5: it from is an ICC distribution of money of funds. Now. 290 00:17:17,413 --> 00:17:22,133 Speaker 5: You know, for smaller countries like us and like the 291 00:17:22,173 --> 00:17:26,413 Speaker 5: West Indies that we've been talking about, they just don't 292 00:17:26,533 --> 00:17:28,533 Speaker 5: raise enough money. I mean here in New Zealand, for 293 00:17:28,613 --> 00:17:33,893 Speaker 5: heaven's sake, Spark the TV company gave it up because 294 00:17:34,133 --> 00:17:36,773 Speaker 5: to Television New Zealand for the last couple of years, 295 00:17:37,453 --> 00:17:39,773 Speaker 5: just so they can get out of the costs of 296 00:17:39,893 --> 00:17:43,853 Speaker 5: running it. You know, we've got a small population. How 297 00:17:43,893 --> 00:17:47,653 Speaker 5: do we host teams who come over here? They pay 298 00:17:47,653 --> 00:17:51,373 Speaker 5: for themselves. People that understand, when you go over to England, 299 00:17:51,373 --> 00:17:53,453 Speaker 5: New Zealand pay the cost of the flights and all 300 00:17:53,493 --> 00:17:56,053 Speaker 5: those sort of things to get over there. As soon 301 00:17:56,093 --> 00:17:59,813 Speaker 5: as they land England take up the costs well, you know, 302 00:17:59,893 --> 00:18:03,413 Speaker 5: accommodation and travel and all that stuff. Food and so 303 00:18:04,373 --> 00:18:05,893 Speaker 5: what do we do as soon as they get off 304 00:18:05,933 --> 00:18:09,613 Speaker 5: the plane. Here our touring teas that are coming, we 305 00:18:09,653 --> 00:18:11,573 Speaker 5: want to get them away again because it costs us 306 00:18:11,573 --> 00:18:14,613 Speaker 5: too much. We want to go. That's why we only 307 00:18:14,653 --> 00:18:17,133 Speaker 5: get them two tests, isn't it? 308 00:18:17,213 --> 00:18:18,653 Speaker 3: So you know the. 309 00:18:20,853 --> 00:18:24,293 Speaker 5: Two areas. Obviously that things can change, well most that's 310 00:18:24,293 --> 00:18:27,293 Speaker 5: a good idea. That's although I think the ICE, I 311 00:18:27,293 --> 00:18:31,413 Speaker 5: think the IP do pay back to the boards. I 312 00:18:31,413 --> 00:18:33,333 Speaker 5: think there is a little bit going back that way, 313 00:18:33,933 --> 00:18:38,133 Speaker 5: but it's not much compared to the whole amount. Two things, obviously, 314 00:18:38,173 --> 00:18:42,773 Speaker 5: the ICC distribution could perhaps change a bit, you know, 315 00:18:43,173 --> 00:18:45,453 Speaker 5: smaller nations could get some money there. 316 00:18:46,173 --> 00:18:49,213 Speaker 3: And secondly, they're starting. 317 00:18:48,773 --> 00:18:55,093 Speaker 5: To talk about now that when Zimbabwe tour England, you know, 318 00:18:55,133 --> 00:18:58,133 Speaker 5: England will pay them a fee. At the moment they 319 00:18:58,133 --> 00:19:00,293 Speaker 5: don't pay them a fee the touring side. 320 00:19:00,933 --> 00:19:03,093 Speaker 3: They might pay that side a. 321 00:19:03,253 --> 00:19:07,653 Speaker 5: Fee to tour the side as well, you know, so 322 00:19:07,813 --> 00:19:11,493 Speaker 5: that could be another perhaps incentive. Besides, it's not as 323 00:19:11,493 --> 00:19:14,173 Speaker 5: if teams are turning up to the icy Stewart wheelbarrows. 324 00:19:14,213 --> 00:19:15,333 Speaker 3: Are they at the. 325 00:19:15,373 --> 00:19:19,373 Speaker 5: Door saying look, I want we want leather chairs for 326 00:19:19,453 --> 00:19:23,013 Speaker 5: the boardroom, you know, or we want top grade run 327 00:19:23,053 --> 00:19:26,133 Speaker 5: for the sponsors. You know. It's not that we want 328 00:19:26,533 --> 00:19:30,053 Speaker 5: money for nets. We want money for some new cricket 329 00:19:30,053 --> 00:19:34,133 Speaker 5: balls or a mawa you know that's improve our pictures. 330 00:19:34,853 --> 00:19:38,333 Speaker 5: Those are the things that that smaller nations are wanting, 331 00:19:38,413 --> 00:19:43,733 Speaker 5: particularly someone like the West Indies. You know. So those 332 00:19:43,773 --> 00:19:47,893 Speaker 5: are the issues that are really confronting in New Zealand 333 00:19:47,933 --> 00:19:50,533 Speaker 5: at the moment, and that's why we are in the situation. 334 00:19:52,213 --> 00:19:52,653 Speaker 4: Yeah. 335 00:19:52,693 --> 00:19:56,013 Speaker 2: Well, in I sense too that some of these television companies, 336 00:19:56,013 --> 00:20:01,253 Speaker 2: I mean, judging by the Sky, the Spark, the TVNZ issue, 337 00:20:01,453 --> 00:20:04,933 Speaker 2: probably don't have a lot of excess money to throw 338 00:20:05,013 --> 00:20:07,493 Speaker 2: around the wave of cricket with all the other sports 339 00:20:07,533 --> 00:20:10,933 Speaker 2: they have to deal. It's a challenge that we are 340 00:20:10,973 --> 00:20:13,493 Speaker 2: going to have to look at in terms of our 341 00:20:13,533 --> 00:20:17,413 Speaker 2: cricket and see where some of these players are going 342 00:20:17,453 --> 00:20:19,493 Speaker 2: to get their living from, whether it's going to come 343 00:20:19,573 --> 00:20:27,533 Speaker 2: from the Mumbai Indians or the Delhi Tigers or any 344 00:20:28,053 --> 00:20:29,413 Speaker 2: of those names. 345 00:20:29,573 --> 00:20:29,813 Speaker 4: You know. 346 00:20:29,973 --> 00:20:36,013 Speaker 2: Now we've got players currently in the competition in America. 347 00:20:36,093 --> 00:20:40,893 Speaker 2: We've got nine players in the MLC, Alan Conway, Ravendra Bolt, Graceful, 348 00:20:40,933 --> 00:20:45,413 Speaker 2: Santner and Ferguson. There's three in one hundred that I've noticed, Sauthi, Mildon, 349 00:20:45,453 --> 00:20:49,213 Speaker 2: Phillips and in Canada, sif At Monroe and Listera. And 350 00:20:49,213 --> 00:20:52,093 Speaker 2: we don't have the money to even put those competitions 351 00:20:52,133 --> 00:20:55,173 Speaker 2: on and invite Mitchell Stark to come out here and 352 00:20:55,213 --> 00:20:59,573 Speaker 2: play in our local Dream eleven Super Smash. So there 353 00:20:59,573 --> 00:21:03,573 Speaker 2: are major challenges that we're going to have to look 354 00:21:03,613 --> 00:21:06,493 Speaker 2: at and discuss in the future. 355 00:21:06,853 --> 00:21:10,853 Speaker 4: And just to that, so the Super Smash, we see 356 00:21:12,053 --> 00:21:15,813 Speaker 4: Kain Williamson well the Supersess he's playing for the Dubai 357 00:21:15,973 --> 00:21:20,373 Speaker 4: Super Giants, the Durbin Super Giants in South Africa. Yeah, so, 358 00:21:21,453 --> 00:21:24,053 Speaker 4: and that's that's just a precursor of what more is 359 00:21:24,093 --> 00:21:27,213 Speaker 4: going to happen with the leaking of our better players. 360 00:21:27,893 --> 00:21:31,653 Speaker 4: It's somewhat there's a certain inevitability about it as they 361 00:21:31,653 --> 00:21:37,733 Speaker 4: get bound in by their IPL employers, challenging. 362 00:21:37,733 --> 00:21:39,813 Speaker 2: With a little bit of luck. Caine Williamson might will 363 00:21:39,853 --> 00:21:41,973 Speaker 2: be playing in test matches for us in the near 364 00:21:42,013 --> 00:21:45,213 Speaker 2: future because we've got a test side as we mentioned 365 00:21:45,293 --> 00:21:49,093 Speaker 2: earlier that's going to be playing against Afghanistan in India. 366 00:21:49,693 --> 00:21:52,093 Speaker 2: I understand all that hasn't been confirmed. There's a couple 367 00:21:52,133 --> 00:21:55,533 Speaker 2: of games in Sri Lanka before the Test series against India, 368 00:21:55,973 --> 00:22:00,373 Speaker 2: so that's going to be a spin friendly competition for 369 00:22:01,533 --> 00:22:04,453 Speaker 2: five six Test matches. Then they come home to play 370 00:22:04,613 --> 00:22:07,413 Speaker 2: against England. What sort of side are we going to 371 00:22:07,453 --> 00:22:09,253 Speaker 2: have if you had a chant to have a look 372 00:22:09,573 --> 00:22:13,573 Speaker 2: at the players. There's some replacements, but you know, the 373 00:22:13,733 --> 00:22:18,533 Speaker 2: likes of Sauvi and those more experienced players are still 374 00:22:18,573 --> 00:22:21,093 Speaker 2: probably going to be in the Test matches when they come. 375 00:22:21,653 --> 00:22:25,453 Speaker 5: Well, not not necessarily, Brian, not if we are a 376 00:22:25,493 --> 00:22:31,933 Speaker 5: bit more bold about approaching this transition phase between one 377 00:22:31,973 --> 00:22:36,133 Speaker 5: side that has been very good and got terrific results 378 00:22:37,533 --> 00:22:43,853 Speaker 5: but now is aging slightly. And you know, I don't 379 00:22:43,853 --> 00:22:46,173 Speaker 5: want to be age just about that, but it does affect, 380 00:22:46,293 --> 00:22:50,333 Speaker 5: you know, especially if you are a faster bowler. It's 381 00:22:50,373 --> 00:22:53,293 Speaker 5: such a you know, a physical a physical thing that 382 00:22:53,333 --> 00:22:57,613 Speaker 5: you have to do. I think one of the problems 383 00:22:57,613 --> 00:23:02,853 Speaker 5: that is emerging is that we don't have a seam 384 00:23:03,053 --> 00:23:08,453 Speaker 5: bowler or a faster bowler who bats. There's no there's 385 00:23:08,493 --> 00:23:14,333 Speaker 5: no Dion Nash around nowadays. There's no Hadley, there's no 386 00:23:14,453 --> 00:23:18,173 Speaker 5: Headley who bats, you know, what I mean around Nathan 387 00:23:18,253 --> 00:23:22,013 Speaker 5: Smith might be one that is coming onto the edge 388 00:23:22,053 --> 00:23:27,733 Speaker 5: of the scene, but I mean we've just got to 389 00:23:27,813 --> 00:23:34,213 Speaker 5: play O'Rourke to join Henry and see us. Now none 390 00:23:34,253 --> 00:23:39,973 Speaker 5: of those guys bat so already as far as our 391 00:23:40,013 --> 00:23:45,573 Speaker 5: batting length is concerned, we've only got eight now, and 392 00:23:45,613 --> 00:23:50,973 Speaker 5: then we've got those three. You know there won't be 393 00:23:51,013 --> 00:23:53,933 Speaker 5: a Coogar line around. He's not taken a contract and 394 00:23:53,973 --> 00:23:58,413 Speaker 5: so on. Sourly, I don't think can can manage it, 395 00:23:58,573 --> 00:24:03,773 Speaker 5: to be honest, against that England side, whether it's Duffy, 396 00:24:04,213 --> 00:24:07,933 Speaker 5: and then you shorten the line of the batting as well, 397 00:24:09,093 --> 00:24:11,413 Speaker 5: So there's it's starting to become a bit of an 398 00:24:11,413 --> 00:24:15,133 Speaker 5: issue obviously if Conway's there and then it's late in 399 00:24:15,253 --> 00:24:19,213 Speaker 5: Conway and then you have Williamson, Mitchell, Ravendra Phillips in 400 00:24:19,373 --> 00:24:24,653 Speaker 5: any order put a number beside them and blundles how blundles? 401 00:24:25,053 --> 00:24:27,613 Speaker 5: How does blundle go? And he only plays test cricket, 402 00:24:27,613 --> 00:24:33,173 Speaker 5: he doesn't play short form cricket anyway. You know, is 403 00:24:33,173 --> 00:24:35,893 Speaker 5: it going to be a spinner? Is Brace going to 404 00:24:35,933 --> 00:24:39,453 Speaker 5: be there or is you know Ravender's there already, Phillips 405 00:24:39,453 --> 00:24:42,813 Speaker 5: would be there, but they're half spinners, So there is 406 00:24:42,853 --> 00:24:46,013 Speaker 5: a little bit of an issue starting to come together there. 407 00:24:46,053 --> 00:24:51,093 Speaker 4: For me, I'd agree with you, Jerry, and I think 408 00:24:51,373 --> 00:24:56,373 Speaker 4: you could contrast what England have done with their Test side, 409 00:24:56,453 --> 00:25:03,213 Speaker 4: where where they've politely moved ander Salon now now in 410 00:25:03,253 --> 00:25:14,893 Speaker 4: they're coaching ranks I gather and bestow and bestow and folks. Yeah, 411 00:25:15,373 --> 00:25:22,173 Speaker 4: they've they've they've been quite decisive. Uh, and clearly with 412 00:25:22,493 --> 00:25:25,173 Speaker 4: the Night of the Future. Now, I don't know whether 413 00:25:25,493 --> 00:25:30,533 Speaker 4: whether that's in our DNA here, it hasn't seemed that 414 00:25:30,613 --> 00:25:33,213 Speaker 4: they wanted to adopt that, but I would have thought 415 00:25:34,133 --> 00:25:37,413 Speaker 4: we're in a transitional phase here where I'm seeing some 416 00:25:37,413 --> 00:25:41,773 Speaker 4: pretty talented young younger cricketers around. 417 00:25:42,733 --> 00:25:46,053 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's plenty of young cricketers coming through, but perhaps 418 00:25:46,133 --> 00:25:49,253 Speaker 2: a bit too young for the international scene at the moment. 419 00:25:49,333 --> 00:25:54,813 Speaker 2: But specifically the side that goes to India and Sri 420 00:25:54,893 --> 00:25:57,733 Speaker 2: Lanka before coming home for the series, they've got all 421 00:25:57,733 --> 00:26:01,093 Speaker 2: these spinners now on contract. How many spinners do they take? 422 00:26:01,133 --> 00:26:04,133 Speaker 2: Do they take them all? Sent a Patel Sody braceball 423 00:26:04,653 --> 00:26:05,893 Speaker 2: along with Phillips. 424 00:26:07,293 --> 00:26:07,773 Speaker 3: It is. 425 00:26:09,693 --> 00:26:13,653 Speaker 5: It's becoming more that we're getting more spin options that 426 00:26:13,733 --> 00:26:17,613 Speaker 5: we are seemers really, aren't we. That's quite quite extraordinary. 427 00:26:18,693 --> 00:26:21,453 Speaker 5: I don't know what they'll take once. Are they taking fifteen? 428 00:26:22,733 --> 00:26:27,493 Speaker 2: Yeah? Generally the fifteen the number that they put on 429 00:26:27,933 --> 00:26:31,413 Speaker 2: those squads. You can take others that only fifteen get 430 00:26:31,453 --> 00:26:34,853 Speaker 2: paid for when you bear in mind the support crew 431 00:26:35,093 --> 00:26:39,573 Speaker 2: that generally there's two for one, isn't there in terms 432 00:26:39,573 --> 00:26:43,293 Speaker 2: of the people who go along there to be batting coach, 433 00:26:43,333 --> 00:26:46,973 Speaker 2: bowling coach, fielding coach and mental skills coach and all 434 00:26:47,013 --> 00:26:51,533 Speaker 2: those other coaches that they seem to require to use. 435 00:26:51,613 --> 00:26:54,653 Speaker 2: So it's going to be an interesting challenge for the selectors. 436 00:26:54,693 --> 00:26:57,653 Speaker 2: But you know, they're the names for people that we 437 00:26:58,373 --> 00:27:03,893 Speaker 2: need to consider. There's not too many in the frame. 438 00:27:04,453 --> 00:27:07,453 Speaker 2: And it's interesting what you say about Southy. He's our 439 00:27:07,493 --> 00:27:08,093 Speaker 2: test captain. 440 00:27:08,573 --> 00:27:13,813 Speaker 5: I know, but I'm sorry that you can't unless he 441 00:27:13,933 --> 00:27:16,613 Speaker 5: changes and unless the pictures are doing something going up 442 00:27:16,693 --> 00:27:17,093 Speaker 5: and down. 443 00:27:17,693 --> 00:27:20,013 Speaker 3: He was much more effective in the T twenty, wasn't he. 444 00:27:20,093 --> 00:27:23,533 Speaker 5: I'm just talking about the pictures only, and I don't 445 00:27:23,573 --> 00:27:27,213 Speaker 5: think our pictures. We play England at Hagley Oval Base 446 00:27:27,253 --> 00:27:30,133 Speaker 5: and Reserve and said in part when they come here England, 447 00:27:30,333 --> 00:27:33,173 Speaker 5: I'm talking about they're not going to be up and down. 448 00:27:33,253 --> 00:27:40,493 Speaker 5: I don't think at all. Maybe the flatter pictures. Again, 449 00:27:41,653 --> 00:27:44,013 Speaker 5: you've got to have faster bowl as wads to get 450 00:27:44,013 --> 00:27:47,853 Speaker 5: the difference and bounce rather than medium pace, which is 451 00:27:48,133 --> 00:27:53,453 Speaker 5: what Tim Sowdy is at the moment. So I don't think, 452 00:27:54,173 --> 00:27:56,093 Speaker 5: you know, I don't think he can use I mean 453 00:27:56,133 --> 00:28:00,213 Speaker 5: they'll probably take him. That's the difference between the McCullum 454 00:28:01,133 --> 00:28:04,533 Speaker 5: pipe selections and the way that we select sides here, 455 00:28:05,653 --> 00:28:08,893 Speaker 5: isn't it really? I think England was as far as 456 00:28:08,933 --> 00:28:11,893 Speaker 5: England is concerned, because they're coming here and we've seen 457 00:28:11,933 --> 00:28:15,653 Speaker 5: them play recently. I mean, they've got a pretty predictable style, 458 00:28:15,933 --> 00:28:17,013 Speaker 5: wouldn't you say. 459 00:28:17,213 --> 00:28:19,013 Speaker 2: Yeah, we know what they're going to do. They're playing 460 00:28:19,053 --> 00:28:21,533 Speaker 2: attacking cricket and that's the way they go about things, 461 00:28:21,573 --> 00:28:24,613 Speaker 2: the bass ball, et cetera. And they've proven against the 462 00:28:24,613 --> 00:28:28,413 Speaker 2: West Indies. They won the last Test in under three days, 463 00:28:28,413 --> 00:28:28,893 Speaker 2: didn't they. 464 00:28:29,253 --> 00:28:32,733 Speaker 5: Oh, well, the margins the margins were huge, weren't they 465 00:28:32,733 --> 00:28:35,813 Speaker 5: against the Western and innings and one hundred and fourteen 466 00:28:35,933 --> 00:28:38,933 Speaker 5: in the first Test, two hundred and forty one in 467 00:28:38,973 --> 00:28:42,493 Speaker 5: the second Test and ten wickets and they. 468 00:28:42,373 --> 00:28:43,973 Speaker 3: Got the eighty four required. 469 00:28:44,013 --> 00:28:47,013 Speaker 5: As you're talking about that third Test there they slaughtered 470 00:28:47,013 --> 00:28:52,613 Speaker 5: them in seven overs, didn't they. So you know, I 471 00:28:52,653 --> 00:28:55,133 Speaker 5: think they have quite a prediction. So New Zealand are 472 00:28:55,133 --> 00:28:57,653 Speaker 5: going to be offered I think long periods to bat 473 00:28:58,453 --> 00:29:03,813 Speaker 5: in that series, England will score more quickly. New Zealand 474 00:29:03,813 --> 00:29:07,453 Speaker 5: don't need to get into a competition with them. What 475 00:29:07,453 --> 00:29:10,213 Speaker 5: they've got to do is, for a start, they've got 476 00:29:10,213 --> 00:29:13,213 Speaker 5: to get enough runs and they can use the time. 477 00:29:13,293 --> 00:29:16,093 Speaker 5: If they can bat for four or five sessions, they 478 00:29:16,133 --> 00:29:19,413 Speaker 5: do it. And they perhaps if they can bat for 479 00:29:19,493 --> 00:29:21,813 Speaker 5: say nine sessions in the Test match and he's in 480 00:29:21,853 --> 00:29:25,173 Speaker 5: it in the two innings, they will leave England to 481 00:29:25,213 --> 00:29:28,013 Speaker 5: get the same number of runs and six that kind 482 00:29:28,093 --> 00:29:30,613 Speaker 5: of thing. That's what we've got to kind of start 483 00:29:30,613 --> 00:29:33,693 Speaker 5: to think about holding our catches and as far as 484 00:29:33,733 --> 00:29:38,013 Speaker 5: the bowlers are concerned, move the ball. And I'm afraid 485 00:29:38,773 --> 00:29:41,533 Speaker 5: we've got to be accurate as well, because we saw 486 00:29:41,573 --> 00:29:44,933 Speaker 5: what happened to the West Indies when they didn't have 487 00:29:45,013 --> 00:29:49,373 Speaker 5: the accuracy. We've seen the issues when coogar Line and 488 00:29:49,413 --> 00:29:51,933 Speaker 5: Techno bold to them. Last time England were here, they 489 00:29:51,933 --> 00:29:55,693 Speaker 5: got smashed. Brooke took them apart, didn't he? And Root 490 00:29:56,293 --> 00:29:59,573 Speaker 5: and so we've got to be we've got to be 491 00:29:59,613 --> 00:30:04,013 Speaker 5: good bowlers, move the ball and be accurate, so you 492 00:30:04,053 --> 00:30:07,013 Speaker 5: know it's going to be an interesting series. And I 493 00:30:07,013 --> 00:30:09,133 Speaker 5: would like to think that we didn't bowl too short 494 00:30:09,173 --> 00:30:12,813 Speaker 5: too often, not as a plan. Short short, short, do. 495 00:30:12,773 --> 00:30:13,373 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 496 00:30:13,413 --> 00:30:15,733 Speaker 5: I think it's it's keep the ball up New Zealand 497 00:30:15,773 --> 00:30:18,893 Speaker 5: as a place we nibble the ball, isn't it isn't 498 00:30:18,893 --> 00:30:24,773 Speaker 5: that that hasn't changed, So I think we don't want 499 00:30:24,773 --> 00:30:26,813 Speaker 5: to bowl too short when we more employment, you just 500 00:30:26,973 --> 00:30:29,533 Speaker 5: use the delivery as a variety by all means. 501 00:30:30,293 --> 00:30:31,773 Speaker 3: It's particularly if you've got pace. 502 00:30:32,253 --> 00:30:35,853 Speaker 5: But you know said how they can't do it at 503 00:30:35,933 --> 00:30:38,093 Speaker 5: his pace, not anymore. 504 00:30:39,093 --> 00:30:41,093 Speaker 2: No, and they're going to be a better side when 505 00:30:41,133 --> 00:30:42,213 Speaker 2: they get there too, aren't they paid? 506 00:30:43,453 --> 00:30:43,973 Speaker 4: No question? 507 00:30:44,093 --> 00:30:44,573 Speaker 3: No question? 508 00:30:45,213 --> 00:30:48,533 Speaker 4: Uh. And I think that we New Zealans this is 509 00:30:48,533 --> 00:30:50,893 Speaker 4: a precursor to to what they would view as their 510 00:30:51,133 --> 00:30:54,013 Speaker 4: their their main course, which is the ashes. And you 511 00:30:54,053 --> 00:30:57,333 Speaker 4: can see the side that England is developing and they're 512 00:30:57,333 --> 00:31:03,613 Speaker 4: getting wood bowling extreme express. It's very exciting to watch 513 00:31:03,653 --> 00:31:07,413 Speaker 4: that with my dad. Got Atkinson bows a heavy ball. 514 00:31:07,493 --> 00:31:10,293 Speaker 4: By the look of it, You've got wokes who can 515 00:31:10,333 --> 00:31:14,053 Speaker 4: bat and while getting wire kids. This is a pretty 516 00:31:14,093 --> 00:31:16,333 Speaker 4: good side that they're looking at here and players who 517 00:31:16,333 --> 00:31:19,333 Speaker 4: can go quick. The Smith jery that you talked about 518 00:31:19,533 --> 00:31:20,013 Speaker 4: the keeping. 519 00:31:20,093 --> 00:31:21,893 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good player. 520 00:31:22,093 --> 00:31:24,333 Speaker 4: He looks good and you can sort of see where 521 00:31:24,333 --> 00:31:28,493 Speaker 4: they're look into. And I applaud, which I wouldn't have 522 00:31:28,493 --> 00:31:32,613 Speaker 4: always done, McCallum and his people for making the calls 523 00:31:32,653 --> 00:31:35,413 Speaker 4: that they have now early, and that's perhaps a lesson 524 00:31:35,453 --> 00:31:39,373 Speaker 4: for us because this looks I think it's going to 525 00:31:39,373 --> 00:31:41,653 Speaker 4: be exciting cricket fabulous. I can't wait. 526 00:31:42,733 --> 00:31:45,213 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you make a fair point there. I was 527 00:31:45,253 --> 00:31:48,333 Speaker 2: interested when Smith got out for ninety five. They were 528 00:31:48,373 --> 00:31:51,613 Speaker 2: crying in the commentary box because he didn't get a hundred. 529 00:31:51,973 --> 00:31:52,213 Speaker 4: You know. 530 00:31:52,453 --> 00:31:56,573 Speaker 2: I know a hundred's an important milestone for any individual cricketer. 531 00:31:56,973 --> 00:31:59,933 Speaker 2: But I always remember one New Zealand cricketer telling me 532 00:31:59,973 --> 00:32:02,293 Speaker 2: when he was out for ninety nine that he'd much 533 00:32:02,373 --> 00:32:04,413 Speaker 2: rather dwell on what he got than what he didn't get. 534 00:32:04,813 --> 00:32:07,413 Speaker 2: And I thought that was a pretty good attitude. That 535 00:32:07,533 --> 00:32:09,773 Speaker 2: I got ninety nine, I've got to be happy with that, 536 00:32:09,813 --> 00:32:12,973 Speaker 2: and I think that's that's fair enough. Hunters will come 537 00:32:13,013 --> 00:32:15,453 Speaker 2: the way of Smith. He looks at that sort of player. 538 00:32:15,493 --> 00:32:20,373 Speaker 2: He's uh, he said, he's just a different middle t 539 00:32:20,453 --> 00:32:21,373 Speaker 2: laa order batsman. 540 00:32:22,893 --> 00:32:25,093 Speaker 5: I thought he kept well two guys I don't know 541 00:32:26,253 --> 00:32:27,613 Speaker 5: because I didn't notice. 542 00:32:27,373 --> 00:32:28,973 Speaker 3: Them, you know what I mean. 543 00:32:29,453 --> 00:32:32,253 Speaker 5: He kind of just he got down low, he took 544 00:32:32,293 --> 00:32:38,173 Speaker 5: the catchers. Whereas when I was over watching the ashes, 545 00:32:38,333 --> 00:32:41,493 Speaker 5: you did notice Johnny Bearstow because he wasn't having a 546 00:32:41,533 --> 00:32:46,293 Speaker 5: particularly good time. And that's what happens with keepers. I 547 00:32:46,333 --> 00:32:50,333 Speaker 5: think the best keepers you just you know, you you think, 548 00:32:50,413 --> 00:32:52,893 Speaker 5: oh that's been taken on. That was nicely taken, wasn't it. 549 00:32:52,933 --> 00:32:55,213 Speaker 5: But he didn't make a fuss about it, you know. 550 00:32:56,453 --> 00:32:59,693 Speaker 5: And and so I thought he had a pretty good series, 551 00:32:59,733 --> 00:33:02,853 Speaker 5: he and Atkinson, what what you mentioned Atkinson and the 552 00:33:03,013 --> 00:33:05,373 Speaker 5: Basha to a certain extent, he didn't have much chance 553 00:33:05,413 --> 00:33:09,413 Speaker 5: because he didn't bowl the second innings very often. So 554 00:33:10,293 --> 00:33:13,093 Speaker 5: I thought all those three, you know, of the guys 555 00:33:13,093 --> 00:33:15,653 Speaker 5: that were talked about before that series, I thought they 556 00:33:15,653 --> 00:33:16,613 Speaker 5: had good series. 557 00:33:17,333 --> 00:33:20,693 Speaker 4: This year is interesting, isn't it. And again they they 558 00:33:21,213 --> 00:33:25,533 Speaker 4: they moved on Leech who you know, Yeah, that bad 559 00:33:26,173 --> 00:33:28,853 Speaker 4: been pretty pretty useful and good wik ad taken. But 560 00:33:29,133 --> 00:33:33,053 Speaker 4: this year they've they've got that person who's tall gets 561 00:33:33,173 --> 00:33:36,893 Speaker 4: loop bounce and again thinking about Australia and for that matter, 562 00:33:36,893 --> 00:33:38,773 Speaker 4: if you think about what happened at the Basin and 563 00:33:38,773 --> 00:33:41,213 Speaker 4: what Lion did there this year, which was a bit 564 00:33:41,213 --> 00:33:43,493 Speaker 4: of a surprise to us, all got. 565 00:33:43,373 --> 00:33:47,493 Speaker 3: Bounce so and Phillips yeah. 566 00:33:47,013 --> 00:33:49,613 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. But when you've got that that height, 567 00:33:49,893 --> 00:33:51,933 Speaker 4: but you know they've they've clearly thought through for a 568 00:33:51,933 --> 00:33:53,773 Speaker 4: person who I think had only played a few first 569 00:33:53,773 --> 00:33:56,613 Speaker 4: class games, when when when when he debuted in India 570 00:33:56,653 --> 00:34:00,333 Speaker 4: this year all last year, it's quite insightful from from 571 00:34:00,373 --> 00:34:02,773 Speaker 4: that lot over there, and again, as I say it again, 572 00:34:03,293 --> 00:34:06,013 Speaker 4: perhaps we ever listened to learn here from New Zealand. 573 00:34:06,533 --> 00:34:08,973 Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what Thiss do when 574 00:34:08,973 --> 00:34:11,773 Speaker 2: they pick their side. We haven't got much cricket for 575 00:34:11,813 --> 00:34:14,893 Speaker 2: the next few weeks. I think you're going are playing 576 00:34:14,893 --> 00:34:17,533 Speaker 2: Sri Lanka. That's not too far away, I guess guys. 577 00:34:17,533 --> 00:34:20,613 Speaker 2: It's going to have to be the Olympic Games and 578 00:34:20,893 --> 00:34:25,413 Speaker 2: good to see ladies sevens team doing the business and 579 00:34:25,453 --> 00:34:28,573 Speaker 2: getting the first gold for New Zealand. We've got to 580 00:34:28,573 --> 00:34:31,533 Speaker 2: shoes to talk about quite clearly, from what happens when 581 00:34:31,533 --> 00:34:34,733 Speaker 2: we get the contracts sorted and of the selection of 582 00:34:35,013 --> 00:34:37,573 Speaker 2: the side. So thank you very much for your input. 583 00:34:37,733 --> 00:34:42,573 Speaker 2: You guys, you can watch a bit of Olympics most 584 00:34:42,893 --> 00:34:43,493 Speaker 2: and enjoy it. 585 00:34:45,933 --> 00:34:49,173 Speaker 4: I show indeed was rather liking the archery at the moment. 586 00:34:50,093 --> 00:34:55,053 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm actually I'm liking the women's of each volleyball. 587 00:34:55,773 --> 00:34:56,453 Speaker 2: That's quite good. 588 00:34:58,853 --> 00:35:06,333 Speaker 5: And you Jerry, Yeah, I'm waiting for the digger hole competition. 589 00:35:06,533 --> 00:35:08,773 Speaker 3: Is that in there this year? Yeah? 590 00:35:10,213 --> 00:35:11,293 Speaker 2: It's getting bigger too. 591 00:35:14,093 --> 00:35:17,253 Speaker 3: I'm digging it for myself at the moment. Yeah. 592 00:35:17,333 --> 00:35:19,973 Speaker 2: All right, guys, thanks very much. Talk to you again. 593 00:35:20,373 --> 00:35:21,293 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll do onds. 594 00:35:21,533 --> 00:35:24,653 Speaker 5: You better get off and learn those volleyball rules, haven't you, 595 00:35:24,693 --> 00:35:26,413 Speaker 5: so you can then riff your women's game. 596 00:35:26,813 --> 00:35:34,293 Speaker 2: It's the technique I'm after. See you next week. 597 00:35:34,613 --> 00:35:38,733 Speaker 3: All right. Cheers, vunties us Summers. 598 00:35:45,413 --> 00:35:48,053 Speaker 1: For more from News Talk sed B, listen live on 599 00:35:48,133 --> 00:35:51,093 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 600 00:35:51,173 --> 00:35:53,733 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.