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Speaker 2: All right, on the huddle with me this evening. I've

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Speaker 2: got Tim Wilson, Maximumstitute, and Allie Jones, Red Pierre. Hello

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Speaker 2: you two, Hi Heather? Right, Allie?

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Speaker 3: How's it going?

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Speaker 2: Halo? Very well? Thank you? Tim? Answer this question from me, Alie,

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Speaker 2: Why does anyone support someone who says things as stupid

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Speaker 2: as Donald Trump does?

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Speaker 4: What a forrest gum say stupid is as stupid does?

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Speaker 2: I mean?

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I think the point Look, he could say anything,

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Speaker 4: couldn't he He could say anything, But what's the What's more

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Speaker 4: interesting I think than this cat and dog rubbish is

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Speaker 4: the comment about she wants to do transgender operations on

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Speaker 4: illegal aliens that are in prison, right, because that's the

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Speaker 4: other thing that people are going, You've gotta be kidding.

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Speaker 4: But look, I don't I don't think that he could

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Speaker 4: say anything that could be considered too mad for people

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Speaker 4: to believe his people will believe anything.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think you're right, Tim. Do you agree with that?

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Speaker 3: No? I don't believe anything. What we're seeing here, though,

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Speaker 3: is Donald Trump. We're all talking about Donald Trump. The

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Speaker 3: day after the debate. It's the unearned media difference. Yes,

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Speaker 3: so I think with the Hillary Clinton campaign you raise it,

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Speaker 3: but earlier it's like, why the hell are we talking

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Speaker 3: about this, Heather, And it works for Trump. It gives

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Speaker 3: him visibility, it gives him cut through for one of

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Speaker 3: a better word, and I just I would say, you know, okay,

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Speaker 3: so Trump Trump said something that was I think it

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Speaker 3: well clearly unsupported, unsupportable, possibly a conspiracy theory. But Kamala

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Speaker 3: Harris needed to be fact checked on all the films

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Speaker 3: that she was saying about the US army, not an

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Speaker 3: active duty, not true guns. I'm pro guns, actually mandatory buyback,

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Speaker 3: supported them in twenty nineteen. Abortion are actually her running mate.

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Speaker 2: You have just struck on something that is absolutely fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Tim Right, those two ABC moderators only fact checked him,

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Speaker 2: didn't fact check her. And because of that, five times, yep,

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Speaker 2: people watching, people watching who are leaning towards Trump will go, yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: there's your media bias. So I'm not going to listen

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Speaker 2: to you any more meat mainstream media and for that

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Speaker 2: reason they just choose to ignore you can fact check

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Speaker 2: the hell out of him. Nobody cares in his support

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Speaker 2: base because your bias is on show.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, And I think also it's attitudes to authority.

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Speaker 3: So people are drawn to Trump because he seems he

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Speaker 3: seems to he not seem to. He questions authority. So

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Speaker 3: when you see authority figures like those quote unquote moderators

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Speaker 3: fact checking him five times, letting Kamala run, you know,

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Speaker 3: run a bit loose, let's say, then they're going to go,

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Speaker 3: my sympathies are with this guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: At what point though? At what point? And it's Kamala

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Speaker 4: by the way, just want to mention that Karmala Kamala,

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Speaker 4: I'm sounding like my bad yeah, yeah, no, No, At

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Speaker 4: what point do people go you are an absolute, raving lunatic.

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Speaker 4: You want to you're saying she will kill babies at

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Speaker 4: nine months? So I do take your points that you know,

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Speaker 4: he's challenging authority and people love that, and it's a

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Speaker 4: bit of dog whistle stuff, But at what point will

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Speaker 2: This is what this is. This is what I'm saying, Ali,

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Speaker 2: is that people do not think he's a lunatic because

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Speaker 2: they go on the Internet and they find the tiniest

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Speaker 2: bit of truth to what he's saying, and that's enough.

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Speaker 2: And because they don't trust the mainstream media anymore, and

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Speaker 2: that is our own fault. They actually choose to trust

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Speaker 4: God help us all.

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Speaker 3: Well, but the fact is, but like so for example,

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Speaker 3: he said, executive that's the wrong thing, but babies are

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Speaker 3: left to die. And her running mate Tim Wolds actually

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ali, does it answer you? Do you feel like

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Speaker 2: you can understand it a bit better now? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I can, But I still think you are not going

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Speaker 2: Tim Wilson Allie Jones back on the huddle with that's listened. Tim.

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Speaker 2: I spoke to Health New Zealand Andrew Connolly at the

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Speaker 2: start of this hour. I'm not convinced by their plan

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Speaker 2: for how they're going to get on top of things

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Speaker 2: and reduce all of those those targets that they're supposed

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Speaker 2: They don't even where they're gonna get the money from.

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Speaker 3: Did you did you? Did you ask about timelines? No?

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Speaker 2: I didn't ask about timelines. I got stuck on money.

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Speaker 3: See. Oh yeah, well that's that's the that's the bit

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Speaker 3: that seems to be missing, because you know, everyone knows that, Okay,

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Speaker 3: target because we and hold them accountable, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: But I don't have a timeline, then you don't really

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Speaker 2: Well, this is true, Ali, Did you feel convinced it all?

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Speaker 4: No? No, I agree with Tim. I think targets are good.

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Speaker 4: But I do think as well that the one of

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Speaker 4: the big issues is retention. It's all very well and

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Speaker 4: and we're just losing them to overseas. I did hear

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Speaker 4: as far as timelines go, they did? They not say

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Speaker 4: which gave them a base to work from. Yeah, but

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Speaker 4: I haven't heard though, Tim, what beyond July one is

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Speaker 2: They're going going to review those? But look, I agree

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Speaker 2: that we can hold people again. You're too right, Tim.

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Speaker 2: I love the sound of the second harbor bridge that

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Speaker 2: goes through Point Chevalier comes out the other side at

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Speaker 2: Cody Point. Drive over a reef. What do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Like the part of the poll on the Indied

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Speaker 3: Herold website. There's sixty percent is in favor of it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, one of.

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Speaker 4: the twenty percent pushing back against? Is it an environmental issue?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what you'll have is you'll have like reef

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Speaker 2: the reef. But also, Ali, you have got all of

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Speaker 2: these people in Point chev who are bloody noisy because

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Speaker 2: winging to the herald about their houses being sold in

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Speaker 2: the motional great big motorway going through their suburb. That's

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Speaker 2: what it's going to be, Nimbi, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: I thought I thought they were into it. I had

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Speaker 3: a local resident, Madama Alexander, was quoted as saying, it's

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Speaker 2: I thought I read the opposite alternative facts, Tim what, well,

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Speaker 2: how did we I'm gonna have to go, you know what,

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Speaker 2: somehow we've interpreted the same information completely opposite.

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Speaker 3: So oh no, you know what, you know what's happening.

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Speaker 3: It's a Trump situation, That's what I think. Well, now

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, hey, okay, what do you what do

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Speaker 2: you think Ellie of Mike and Zara Tindall air tagging

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Speaker 2: their kids.

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Speaker 4: Can you tell me have they told the kids? I

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Speaker 4: haven't had a chance to look at the story yet,

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Speaker 4: because that's the key to me.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So that the ten year old Miya has got

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Speaker 2: the air tag clipped to the kind of like you know,

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Speaker 2: the little the belt loop on her jeans, so like,

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Speaker 2: unless she's dumb, she knows it's there. Stupid, stupid.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, look, I I don't have a problem with

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Speaker 4: But I think that you there's not a problem with that,

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Speaker 4: And I think you should give them to your kids,

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Speaker 4: you may need, to pets, whatever, But as long as

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Speaker 2: I've got a problem with it. Okay, Well what do

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Speaker 3: Tim, Well, we've already done it. We've actually surgically done

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Speaker 3: it for all of our kids. They're all air tagged.

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Speaker 3: And here's the deal. What we did was we put

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Speaker 3: twenty five bucks each.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous on here, because it's a real conundrum for a parent,

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Speaker 2: right because Allie, you I'm going to come to you

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Speaker 2: because Tim's obviously being ridiculous. Allie, it's a conundrum because

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Speaker 2: you want your child. You don't want your child wandering

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Speaker 2: air tag will help you to find them, but at

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Speaker 2: some point you also have to let them be their

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Speaker 2: own person and be answerable for Yeah, you can't. Who

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Speaker 2: wants to helicopter the helicopter parent them forever.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's helicopter parenting them at all, as

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Speaker 4: long as they know what's helly, what age do you?

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Speaker 2: What age do you stop the air tagging?

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Speaker 4: I would say, you know, plucking a figure out of

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Speaker 4: the year about fourteen and I'm very.

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Speaker 3: When you send them, when you send them to Europe

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Speaker 4: No, And I'm very very supportive of kids harnesses. I think,

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Speaker 4: you know, children as well should be harnessed so.

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Speaker 3: They can be Oh my goodness, too.

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Speaker 4: Much judgy stuff going on here, Allie.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever done that? We did that in the

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Speaker 3: more and we were so like with one of our

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Speaker 3: kids and it was like a little fox terrier and

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Speaker 3: it's quite cute. And but the eyes, the eyes.

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Speaker 2: You care too much, Tim, You care too much what

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but Tim, would you ever go up to someone

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Speaker 4: and say what are you looking at? I mean, would

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Speaker 4: you ever pull someone up on it? Because man, if

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Speaker 4: like that, then I will say to them what are

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