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Speaker 1: Murray is with us now at Australia. Murray, good afternoon,

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Speaker 1: Hello Ryan, good afternoon. How's the AA six doing after

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Speaker 1: the big drop yesterday?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I got my screen open here. I knew you're

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Speaker 2: going to ask me, and this is less than an

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Speaker 2: hour ago, so what's a looking at about forty five

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Speaker 2: minutes ago. The AX up one point eight percent on

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Speaker 2: the day, the Australian dollar up point seven of one

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Speaker 2: percent today to sixty point two to three US sins

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Speaker 2: lost one hundred and ten billion dollars yesterday, so look

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Speaker 2: a little bit of recovery today. That dollar tanking yesterday,

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Speaker 2: by the way, the first time since the pandemic, the

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Speaker 2: biggest intra day fall since the two thousand and eight

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Speaker 2: global financial crisis. So look, there was a lot of

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Speaker 2: red ink around yesterday, but today a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a pickup. But look, we still are in the deep

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Speaker 2: in the red since the start of the year so far.

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Speaker 2: In April, the ASX two hundred, the top two hundred

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Speaker 2: stocks in the Australian share market, they had down by

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Speaker 2: six percent and it's only the eighth day of the

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Speaker 2: month today. And we've also had since January. The start

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Speaker 2: of January the benchmark's down at eight ten percent. So

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Speaker 2: it hasn't been a happy year for investors up to

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Speaker 2: this point. We've got business confidence figures already negative last month,

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Speaker 2: even worse now after Donald Trump's tariffs, and the Westpac

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Speaker 2: Bank has just released latest consumer confidence data for April.

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Speaker 2: The big takeaways we're told confidence down six percent amongst

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Speaker 2: consumers because of the Trump tariff war, the slide of

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Speaker 2: the sheer market even lower amongst people survey after the

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Speaker 2: tariffs were announced, and consumers definitely filling a pinch family

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Speaker 2: finances front and center. So if both political leaders over

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Speaker 2: here aren't banging the drum about the economy, was it

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Speaker 2: Bill Clinton who's had that sign on his desk? It's

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Speaker 2: the economists, stupid. Both of these halfwords over here should

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Speaker 2: have the same bloody sign on their desks because no

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Speaker 2: one cares about the never never you know a tom

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Speaker 2: energy plan of Dutton, or the fact that Alberanzi done

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Speaker 2: something to save US Seal and Tasmania. It's about putting

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Speaker 2: petrol in the car and groceries on the table.

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Speaker 1: Now this debate tonight, they're going to go head to head.

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Speaker 1: It's in Western a group of people called The People's Forum.

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Speaker 1: Have I got this right? From Sky News? Will be

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Speaker 1: held in Western Sydney and both leaders will answer questions

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Speaker 1: from a group of undecided voters. Is there like a

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Speaker 1: moderator or is it just all on for young and

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Speaker 1: old from the crowd.

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Speaker 2: This is going to have to be moderated to keep

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Speaker 2: them in some sort of order. It's allegedly undecided voters. Mate,

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Speaker 2: it's Sky News. You know it's going to be stacked

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Speaker 2: with a bunch of Dutton lovers, anti Elbow. You know

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Speaker 2: it's going to be stacked with rivets. The Murdoch fingerprints

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Speaker 2: are all over it. It's jointly run by the Daily

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Speaker 2: Telegraph as well the Daily you know Trumpeter in fact

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Speaker 2: here and Sidey that's the Murdoch paper here. But listen

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Speaker 2: to Albanezi, you know he is. He's a Sydney boy,

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Speaker 2: comes from this, you know, the inner western sub of Sydney.

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Speaker 2: He won't be frightened to get out Western Sydney, in

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Speaker 2: the Sydney suburbs. You've got the fact that Albertezey also

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Speaker 2: took on Scott Morrison in the last debate in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two and he cleaned him up. That night, not

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Speaker 2: saying it's going to happen to night. Peter Dutton has

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Speaker 2: improved out of sight. The last forty eight hours he

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Speaker 2: was drifting. I went back and had to look Ryan look.

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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton entered Parliament in two thousand and one. He

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Speaker 2: was a minister under John Howard, Tony Abbott, Malcolm Turmbule

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Speaker 2: and Scott Morrison. But he's looked like a complete bloody

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Speaker 2: novice since the campaign started, and it's day eleven to

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Speaker 2: day he's looked like a rabbit in the headlights. He's

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Speaker 2: finally turning up at petrol stations putting gas in the cars,

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Speaker 2: saying look, I'm going to catch you. You know your

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Speaker 2: petrol bill. Even turned up in the Adelaide service station

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Speaker 2: yesterday with a great big petrol tanker a slogan on

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Speaker 2: the side saved twenty five cents a leader vote Liberal.

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Speaker 2: Why wasn't doing that in day one? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: No campaigns do weird things to people though, I mean,

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Speaker 1: doesn't you know how long you've been around in politics

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Speaker 1: that people just turn into weirdos on a campaign when

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Speaker 1: the pressures on them, don't they.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I do agree with that. I mean interesting

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Speaker 2: thesis that I read yes yesterday morning. Did I get

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Speaker 2: lost in these campaigns? The theory being that Peter Dutton

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Speaker 2: has always had someone else to as a minister. He's

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Speaker 2: made mistakes, you know, defense blah blah blah blah blah

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Speaker 2: blah blah. But we all make mistakes, but there's always

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Speaker 2: been someone to clean up after him, a prime minister

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Speaker 2: like John Howard for example. Howard was the last great

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Speaker 2: Australian leader. In my view, I think Howard was a

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Speaker 2: wonderful politician, a great unifier. Look at what happened to

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Speaker 2: Port Arthur, all those people slaughtered down there in Tasmania.

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Speaker 2: Howard stood up, took on the gun lobby and he

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Speaker 2: persuaded them to give up their guns. Now, for me,

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Speaker 2: one of the single most important acts of political courage

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Speaker 2: that I've ever seen. And John Howard had that ticket.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I'm not sure Peter Dutton's got that.

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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison certainly didn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure. We've got many around the world,

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Speaker 1: not just in Australia. Marie, appreciate your time, Marie Old's

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Speaker 1: Australia correspondent, and we're looking forward to the debate tonight.

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