1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,587 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:13,467 Speaker 1: from newstalk zed B. What is left ends? 3 00:00:13,467 --> 00:00:16,627 Speaker 2: So Williams at the back for Jordan, Jordan for Luckheid 4 00:00:16,787 --> 00:00:18,347 Speaker 2: all LEFTENSI Cana pot. 5 00:00:18,347 --> 00:00:21,987 Speaker 1: Buck into the twenty two Brady Savia to second field. 6 00:00:21,827 --> 00:00:25,427 Speaker 2: But to blast hime a black run. 7 00:00:26,147 --> 00:00:27,067 Speaker 1: Peter, Why. 8 00:00:28,387 --> 00:00:31,107 Speaker 3: It's been on the park for six minutes. That's your 9 00:00:31,147 --> 00:00:32,027 Speaker 3: black first. 10 00:00:31,867 --> 00:00:33,587 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Peter Luck I had to come on in 11 00:00:33,587 --> 00:00:35,867 Speaker 2: the second minute after Summer Penny female was forced off, 12 00:00:35,907 --> 00:00:37,467 Speaker 2: got a try off the run of a or off 13 00:00:37,467 --> 00:00:40,747 Speaker 2: the back of a barn storming run from Arrissa Via. 14 00:00:41,107 --> 00:00:44,427 Speaker 2: End of the day though, France thirty All Blacks twenty nine, 15 00:00:44,507 --> 00:00:49,227 Speaker 2: Let's bring in former England international, hugely experienced Hurricanes and 16 00:00:49,267 --> 00:00:52,307 Speaker 2: Wellington loose forward Brad Shields. Brad, thanks for joining us, mate, 17 00:00:52,307 --> 00:00:55,347 Speaker 2: France thirty All Blacks twenty nine. What was your overall 18 00:00:55,387 --> 00:00:57,907 Speaker 2: assessment of what you saw from the All Blacks this morning? 19 00:00:58,827 --> 00:00:59,027 Speaker 1: Yeah? 20 00:00:59,067 --> 00:01:01,187 Speaker 3: Thanks having me Piney and I suppose it's good afternoon 21 00:01:01,507 --> 00:01:04,667 Speaker 3: after mid Dava. Yeah, it was a bloody good test 22 00:01:04,747 --> 00:01:09,827 Speaker 3: matcher for and I don't think people I definitely predicted 23 00:01:10,147 --> 00:01:12,587 Speaker 3: the way the game was going to go. But I 24 00:01:12,707 --> 00:01:14,587 Speaker 3: just think, you know, the All Blacks sort of just 25 00:01:14,787 --> 00:01:16,787 Speaker 3: maybe let themselves down a couple of times just with 26 00:01:16,947 --> 00:01:19,187 Speaker 3: finishing off and if they've got a couple of things 27 00:01:19,547 --> 00:01:22,347 Speaker 3: finished then it could have been a completely different story tonight. 28 00:01:22,867 --> 00:01:25,867 Speaker 2: Absolutely, So I mean when you go to analyze things 29 00:01:25,907 --> 00:01:27,467 Speaker 2: like that, I mean, mistakes are going to happen and 30 00:01:27,467 --> 00:01:30,827 Speaker 2: pressure moments, aren't they It's there's nothing they could have 31 00:01:30,947 --> 00:01:33,907 Speaker 2: done differently apart from it youn't maybe held onto the ball. 32 00:01:33,947 --> 00:01:37,467 Speaker 2: But mistakes happened, don't they. And I appreciate situations. 33 00:01:37,627 --> 00:01:40,707 Speaker 3: That's exactly it. And I guess the difference when you 34 00:01:40,787 --> 00:01:43,787 Speaker 3: make a mistake is front toppled on it, you know, 35 00:01:43,907 --> 00:01:46,787 Speaker 3: like that sort of one mistake from All Blacks and 36 00:01:46,827 --> 00:01:50,187 Speaker 3: then the France ended up scoring Try as you know, 37 00:01:50,227 --> 00:01:52,907 Speaker 3: the worst possible outcome for a mistake, and sometimes that's 38 00:01:52,907 --> 00:01:56,027 Speaker 3: the way it goes, and you know that sometimes they 39 00:01:56,067 --> 00:01:59,707 Speaker 3: don't go away, and unfortunately tonight it didn't happen for 40 00:01:59,747 --> 00:02:02,067 Speaker 3: the All Blacks. But like I said, a huge Test 41 00:02:02,107 --> 00:02:04,867 Speaker 3: match and obviously being very biased, you played a little 42 00:02:04,867 --> 00:02:07,427 Speaker 3: clip there from Peter Larchey go and try and you 43 00:02:07,467 --> 00:02:08,907 Speaker 3: know I was jumping out of my seat for him. 44 00:02:08,947 --> 00:02:12,067 Speaker 3: It was a massive occasion for him and his family. 45 00:02:12,067 --> 00:02:13,307 Speaker 3: So it's cool to see him go on early. 46 00:02:13,667 --> 00:02:15,627 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've written down his name to ask you about. 47 00:02:15,707 --> 00:02:18,987 Speaker 2: You've obviously had an up close view of his development 48 00:02:19,027 --> 00:02:21,187 Speaker 2: at super rugby level. What what have you made of Peter? 49 00:02:21,347 --> 00:02:23,707 Speaker 2: Like I from you know, from playing alongside him and 50 00:02:23,787 --> 00:02:24,667 Speaker 2: watching him develop. 51 00:02:25,707 --> 00:02:28,747 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess for me, he's just a guy that 52 00:02:28,907 --> 00:02:30,667 Speaker 3: just rolls his sleeves up and does his work. And 53 00:02:30,907 --> 00:02:32,867 Speaker 3: he's got a bit of exceector as well. And like 54 00:02:32,947 --> 00:02:35,427 Speaker 3: you saw tonight, like he's obviously scored a try, but 55 00:02:35,747 --> 00:02:39,547 Speaker 3: he didn't didn't necessarily do anything you know, explosive or 56 00:02:39,587 --> 00:02:41,427 Speaker 3: I mean so not explosive like expect this sort of 57 00:02:41,467 --> 00:02:43,547 Speaker 3: thing tonight. But he did his job really well. And 58 00:02:43,627 --> 00:02:45,267 Speaker 3: you notice when you got the ball and carry like 59 00:02:45,347 --> 00:02:48,307 Speaker 3: the leg drive and went to fight for another extra 60 00:02:48,347 --> 00:02:50,627 Speaker 3: few meters and and some of his work off the ball, 61 00:02:50,667 --> 00:02:54,187 Speaker 3: like I don't know, it's got watch certain players off 62 00:02:54,187 --> 00:02:55,627 Speaker 3: the ball, but if you watch what he works around 63 00:02:55,627 --> 00:02:57,387 Speaker 3: the sead like he's just a relentless work create and 64 00:02:57,387 --> 00:03:00,907 Speaker 3: that's exactly what you saw. And the Hurricanes and you 65 00:03:00,907 --> 00:03:02,667 Speaker 3: know when he played for Wenington as well, like his 66 00:03:02,747 --> 00:03:04,827 Speaker 3: ability to be where the ball is and how he 67 00:03:04,867 --> 00:03:07,147 Speaker 3: scored his try is if you watch him off the ball, 68 00:03:07,187 --> 00:03:08,627 Speaker 3: he's just really merried to go. 69 00:03:09,307 --> 00:03:11,547 Speaker 2: I guess there's a spot opening up in the seven 70 00:03:11,627 --> 00:03:14,747 Speaker 2: jumper for the All Blacks. We know Sam Kains leaving Artie. 71 00:03:15,027 --> 00:03:17,027 Speaker 2: Look he could play there obviously and started with the 72 00:03:17,067 --> 00:03:18,747 Speaker 2: seven on his back tonight, but might be number eight. 73 00:03:18,747 --> 00:03:20,747 Speaker 2: Do you think Peter like I might have his his 74 00:03:20,907 --> 00:03:23,787 Speaker 2: nose in front even from this performance to perhaps get 75 00:03:23,787 --> 00:03:26,587 Speaker 2: a crack at at wearing seven and the first few 76 00:03:26,587 --> 00:03:27,747 Speaker 2: Test matches of next year. 77 00:03:28,627 --> 00:03:30,827 Speaker 3: Oh, you'd like to think so, and I guess. And 78 00:03:30,947 --> 00:03:33,587 Speaker 3: the biggest test of them obviously, you know, playing for 79 00:03:33,587 --> 00:03:35,827 Speaker 3: the All Blacks is huge, but I do think for 80 00:03:35,867 --> 00:03:37,907 Speaker 3: his future development, the biggest test for him, which we 81 00:03:38,027 --> 00:03:42,107 Speaker 3: back up another good Super Rugby season with another good season. 82 00:03:42,187 --> 00:03:46,107 Speaker 3: And that's where you notice I reckon players who accelerate 83 00:03:46,187 --> 00:03:47,987 Speaker 3: as they have back to back seasons that are real 84 00:03:48,027 --> 00:03:50,987 Speaker 3: positive because it's quite I'm not saying it's easy, but 85 00:03:51,347 --> 00:03:55,307 Speaker 3: you know, he's relatively fresh, relatively young, playing really good rugby. 86 00:03:55,747 --> 00:03:57,987 Speaker 3: When teams start to figure out how they play and 87 00:03:58,027 --> 00:04:00,507 Speaker 3: who's a big threat in the team. You know they'll 88 00:04:00,507 --> 00:04:04,107 Speaker 3: start to target players up Pete So for him to accelerate, 89 00:04:04,147 --> 00:04:06,107 Speaker 3: I reckon his career it will be the Super Rugby season. 90 00:04:06,667 --> 00:04:09,067 Speaker 3: The difference from a good shot at AVS as well. 91 00:04:09,467 --> 00:04:11,027 Speaker 2: Yeah, looking forward to that, I want to ask you 92 00:04:11,307 --> 00:04:14,747 Speaker 2: you've captained sides the decision right near the end, on 93 00:04:14,787 --> 00:04:17,187 Speaker 2: in the seventy fifth minute at four points down to 94 00:04:17,267 --> 00:04:19,507 Speaker 2: take the shot at goal to close it up to 95 00:04:19,627 --> 00:04:22,147 Speaker 2: thirty twenty nine. When when you're a captain in a 96 00:04:22,227 --> 00:04:24,867 Speaker 2: situation like that, where you've got an option you can 97 00:04:24,907 --> 00:04:26,347 Speaker 2: take the points, you can kick for the line and 98 00:04:26,387 --> 00:04:28,867 Speaker 2: maybe try and get the seven pointer, what sort of 99 00:04:28,907 --> 00:04:31,667 Speaker 2: things factor into your decision making at a time like that. 100 00:04:32,867 --> 00:04:35,867 Speaker 3: Well, I guess you straight away to think about where 101 00:04:36,387 --> 00:04:38,747 Speaker 3: the game's gone and how the game's gone. And if 102 00:04:38,787 --> 00:04:40,747 Speaker 3: you think about the All Blacks attacking their line, like 103 00:04:40,827 --> 00:04:44,227 Speaker 3: they struggle to score points and in terms of they 104 00:04:44,307 --> 00:04:46,547 Speaker 3: get really really close and then they'd get turned over 105 00:04:46,707 --> 00:04:50,787 Speaker 3: or a penalty or something like that, Like I think 106 00:04:51,267 --> 00:04:53,987 Speaker 3: with the next role against it might have been against 107 00:04:53,987 --> 00:04:56,227 Speaker 3: All Blacks maybe, But there's the certain things you think 108 00:04:56,267 --> 00:04:58,067 Speaker 3: about throughout the game and you get to that point 109 00:04:58,107 --> 00:04:59,387 Speaker 3: you're like, well, what are we going to do. We're 110 00:04:59,387 --> 00:05:02,067 Speaker 3: going to back ourselves to get back down here. They 111 00:05:02,147 --> 00:05:04,027 Speaker 3: look dominant, like the All Blacks look like they're on 112 00:05:04,067 --> 00:05:06,507 Speaker 3: the front foot. So you know, you've still got a 113 00:05:06,867 --> 00:05:08,987 Speaker 3: chunk of time on the game left. But unfortunately, I 114 00:05:08,987 --> 00:05:11,187 Speaker 3: think you said before Raserhead you know, had to get 115 00:05:11,187 --> 00:05:12,667 Speaker 3: off their deck fence, and they struggled to get out 116 00:05:12,667 --> 00:05:13,987 Speaker 3: of their twenty two in the deck end of the game. 117 00:05:14,067 --> 00:05:18,547 Speaker 3: So decisions always get screwed on the outcome. And you know, 118 00:05:19,627 --> 00:05:21,107 Speaker 3: whether they should have taken it or not, I'm not 119 00:05:21,147 --> 00:05:22,467 Speaker 3: I'm not really sure it was them on the field, 120 00:05:22,547 --> 00:05:24,067 Speaker 3: so they obviously had a good discussion before it. 121 00:05:25,627 --> 00:05:28,107 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, as you say, decisions get screwedinized on outcome. 122 00:05:28,147 --> 00:05:29,427 Speaker 2: That's such a good phrase. I'm going to write that 123 00:05:29,467 --> 00:05:31,987 Speaker 2: down and use that and the years the years ahead 124 00:05:31,987 --> 00:05:36,507 Speaker 2: shield good one. What about the decision then to withdraw 125 00:05:36,707 --> 00:05:39,347 Speaker 2: cam rouyguard five minutes or sorry, ten minutes into the 126 00:05:39,387 --> 00:05:40,547 Speaker 2: second half? What did you make of that? 127 00:05:41,787 --> 00:05:44,827 Speaker 3: Yeah, again, obviously pretty bass. I would have loved to 128 00:05:44,867 --> 00:05:47,507 Speaker 3: see him go for another you know, ten minutes at least, 129 00:05:48,187 --> 00:05:50,627 Speaker 3: I think he was in control of the game. And uh, 130 00:05:50,947 --> 00:05:54,347 Speaker 3: and obviously it's unfortunate for Atima because you know, a 131 00:05:54,387 --> 00:05:56,267 Speaker 3: couple of calls didn't go his way when he got 132 00:05:56,307 --> 00:05:58,507 Speaker 3: on the field, like there was the five second watches. 133 00:05:58,587 --> 00:06:00,947 Speaker 3: But sometimes a little bit unfortunate, but you know, the 134 00:06:01,027 --> 00:06:03,667 Speaker 3: referee was pretty clear and that push your team under 135 00:06:03,667 --> 00:06:05,227 Speaker 3: a little bit of pressure. But you know he's a 136 00:06:05,267 --> 00:06:07,187 Speaker 3: great player as well, and he got a huge spark 137 00:06:07,267 --> 00:06:09,947 Speaker 3: and brings a lot of energy into the game. So 138 00:06:10,747 --> 00:06:13,187 Speaker 3: again that's the same thing. You know, like you bring 139 00:06:13,267 --> 00:06:16,867 Speaker 3: guys on for impact, and the last few weeks that 140 00:06:16,867 --> 00:06:19,187 Speaker 3: All Blacks have been in a really good position and 141 00:06:19,387 --> 00:06:20,987 Speaker 3: the guys on the bench have finished the game for 142 00:06:21,027 --> 00:06:24,107 Speaker 3: them really strong. You know, sometimes a few things go 143 00:06:24,267 --> 00:06:26,627 Speaker 3: against you and I yeah, I mean, like I said, 144 00:06:26,627 --> 00:06:28,267 Speaker 3: I would have loved camp here a few more minutes. 145 00:06:28,307 --> 00:06:31,107 Speaker 3: But obviously the coach seas I think Differdon wants to 146 00:06:31,147 --> 00:06:35,027 Speaker 3: make that change and Cortiz as a good player, so 147 00:06:35,187 --> 00:06:36,467 Speaker 3: you're going to put those guys on so they know 148 00:06:36,467 --> 00:06:37,307 Speaker 3: they're going to finish job. 149 00:06:38,067 --> 00:06:39,867 Speaker 2: How did you assess the All Black scrum tonight? 150 00:06:42,947 --> 00:06:44,627 Speaker 3: I thought they were a bit unlucky a couple of times. 151 00:06:44,627 --> 00:06:48,867 Speaker 3: Obviously early on they got a penalty against them. Wasn't 152 00:06:48,947 --> 00:06:53,307 Speaker 3: probably as forceful as it has been maybe, But at 153 00:06:53,307 --> 00:06:54,947 Speaker 3: the same time it looked like the ref was just 154 00:06:55,027 --> 00:06:56,667 Speaker 3: trying to let the game go a little bit. And 155 00:06:56,707 --> 00:06:58,587 Speaker 3: there was that one I think towards the back end 156 00:06:58,587 --> 00:07:00,027 Speaker 3: of the game where they've got a decent shun to 157 00:07:00,067 --> 00:07:01,467 Speaker 3: on it went down to ground and he just wanted 158 00:07:01,467 --> 00:07:05,347 Speaker 3: them to play it. So yeah, but a bit of 159 00:07:05,387 --> 00:07:08,467 Speaker 3: a mixed bag, I think. And usually with your set piece, 160 00:07:08,507 --> 00:07:10,587 Speaker 3: if you're real dominant, like towards the back end of 161 00:07:10,827 --> 00:07:13,067 Speaker 3: a couple of games, Like I said, those three front rollers, 162 00:07:13,107 --> 00:07:15,227 Speaker 3: come on, they changed the game through scrum against England, 163 00:07:15,267 --> 00:07:18,467 Speaker 3: and I think they just just a little bit off, 164 00:07:18,547 --> 00:07:20,467 Speaker 3: but not to say it wasn't a good weapon, but 165 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:23,587 Speaker 3: get it utilized as much as maybe they would have liked. 166 00:07:24,587 --> 00:07:28,267 Speaker 2: All right, And yesterday we were talking about these three 167 00:07:28,307 --> 00:07:31,267 Speaker 2: big test matches England, Island, France and I think going North, 168 00:07:31,307 --> 00:07:32,867 Speaker 2: a lot of people said, Okay, win two out of 169 00:07:32,907 --> 00:07:35,347 Speaker 2: the three and that's a pretty good outcome. The All 170 00:07:35,387 --> 00:07:37,227 Speaker 2: Blacks have one two out of three. But do you 171 00:07:37,307 --> 00:07:40,827 Speaker 2: think they'll they'll consider today was an opportunity loss to 172 00:07:40,987 --> 00:07:42,867 Speaker 2: you know, to Grand slam the Northern Tour. 173 00:07:44,107 --> 00:07:46,387 Speaker 3: I definitely think so. And like I said earlier, like 174 00:07:46,427 --> 00:07:48,707 Speaker 3: they definitely had their opportunities and they looked like they 175 00:07:48,747 --> 00:07:51,067 Speaker 3: were a dominant team. France just found a way to 176 00:07:51,107 --> 00:07:53,827 Speaker 3: hang in there in a couple of you know, brilliant 177 00:07:53,827 --> 00:07:56,907 Speaker 3: plays kept them in the game, and obviously the boot 178 00:07:56,947 --> 00:07:59,747 Speaker 3: as well, keeping them those those few penalty kicks ahead 179 00:08:00,507 --> 00:08:02,827 Speaker 3: put pressure on the All Blacks in terms of scoreboard. 180 00:08:02,907 --> 00:08:05,707 Speaker 3: But the All Blacks will be gutted because they definitely 181 00:08:05,707 --> 00:08:08,387 Speaker 3: put themselves in a position to win the game. And 182 00:08:08,547 --> 00:08:10,867 Speaker 3: in France, you know, you saw the pre match, the crowd, 183 00:08:10,907 --> 00:08:13,347 Speaker 3: thing of the national anthem, the theatrics of the French 184 00:08:13,427 --> 00:08:17,227 Speaker 3: rugby like it's just an incredible spectacle to be involved in. 185 00:08:17,307 --> 00:08:19,187 Speaker 3: And I think they'll be gutted, but they also be 186 00:08:19,227 --> 00:08:22,387 Speaker 3: proud of their effort and they've got to get back 187 00:08:22,427 --> 00:08:24,627 Speaker 3: on the horse pretty quickly. I'm not saying it leads 188 00:08:24,627 --> 00:08:26,667 Speaker 3: an easy game, so I certainly have to roll their 189 00:08:26,707 --> 00:08:29,067 Speaker 3: sleeves up and I'm sure they'll make a few changes 190 00:08:29,107 --> 00:08:30,347 Speaker 3: and warsan opportunity. 191 00:08:31,107 --> 00:08:33,147 Speaker 2: I know your family's vying for your attention, Brad. I 192 00:08:33,187 --> 00:08:35,987 Speaker 2: appreciate you taking some time on your Sunday afternoon mate. 193 00:08:36,107 --> 00:08:37,347 Speaker 2: Thanks thanks for joining us. 194 00:08:37,947 --> 00:08:39,787 Speaker 3: No, it's all good. Thanks having me finally appreciating that 195 00:08:40,267 --> 00:08:41,107 Speaker 3: all the best, mate, cheers. 196 00:08:41,107 --> 00:08:45,587 Speaker 2: That's Brad Shields, England International Hurricanes captain and a pretty 197 00:08:45,587 --> 00:08:46,587 Speaker 2: astute rugby observer. 198 00:08:47,387 --> 00:08:50,587 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 199 00:08:50,707 --> 00:08:53,987 Speaker 1: to News Talk sed B weekends from midday, or follow 200 00:08:54,027 --> 00:08:55,587 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio