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Speaker 1: Votes on the three week suspension for Debbie and Rawdi

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Speaker 1: today in seven days for my Pete Clark, the public

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Speaker 1: gallery will sit empty. The debate could drag on with

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Speaker 1: filibustering every MP able to speak.

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Speaker 2: Liam.

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Speaker 1: Here is a columnist and political commentator with me this

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Speaker 1: morning them, Good morning, good morning. You're right, this is unprecedented.

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Speaker 1: You know, normally you just get named, you apologize. It

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Speaker 1: would be the worst suspension since Muldoon in the eighties.

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Speaker 1: Is it too far?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, that's for Parliament to decide, and it's a

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Speaker 2: really important thing. But can I just point out something

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Speaker 2: that's going to annoy me a little bit, is, yes,

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Speaker 2: the punishment would be unprecedented, but the offense is pretty

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Speaker 2: unprecedented too, right, And so sort of the idea that

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Speaker 2: there's some sort of sort of arbitrary or outrageous thing

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Speaker 2: about a never before I heard of punishment needs to

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Speaker 2: be in the context of the fact that it's never

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Speaker 2: before heard of offense, so in breach of parliamentary privilege.

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Speaker 2: So it's pretty yes, it's here, but the circumstances were severe.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, But so for me that the

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Speaker 1: the aggravating factor was the pistol gesture by Debbie, But

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Speaker 1: then why why was her sentence not longer? And what

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Speaker 1: about Julianne Jenta, Well it certainly, well.

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Speaker 2: That certainly was an aggregating, aggravating factor, but really the

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Speaker 2: truly aggravating factor is the complete lack of remorse and

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Speaker 2: contrition and and that's the difference between julian and Jena.

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Speaker 2: And also, and let's not forget that Penny Hellaby is

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Speaker 2: also up for a vote today because he was also

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Speaker 2: complained of to the Privileges Committee and in both cases

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Speaker 2: apologize unreservedly accepted the authority of the House to regulate

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Speaker 2: its own affairs and conduct its own discipline of the members.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we're treated with some leniency as a result,

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Speaker 2: whereas here we have a continuing, continuing contempt for the

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Speaker 2: ability of Parliament to even regulate the conduct of its

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Speaker 2: own members. And that is more than anything as aggravating factor.

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Speaker 1: So what has to happen today, because this could drag

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Speaker 1: on and on and on. Does National need to cut

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Speaker 1: a deal with the labor Because from where I'm sitting,

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Speaker 1: New Zeam first Act to Party, Malori, the Greens, they

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Speaker 1: all have a political interest in dragging this out but

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Speaker 1: the bigger parties are the ones probably who will actually

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Speaker 1: lose if this starts to look messy and too long.

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Speaker 2: You're right about that. So the small parties always have

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Speaker 2: an incentive for it to be as much of a

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Speaker 2: stunt as possible because that plays their base. But really

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Speaker 2: the key person is Jerry Brownley. So this is an

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Speaker 2: unusual kind of situation when you're debating matters of privilege.

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Speaker 2: When the house is you're not subject to the normal

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Speaker 2: time limits because it's sort of it's a special sort

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Speaker 2: of circumstance. And so in the theory, you know, speeches

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Speaker 2: can go on for as long as they want. They're

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Speaker 2: not subject to a time limit, and so you have

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Speaker 2: what might look in some ways like an American filibuster,

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Speaker 2: where are speaker can get up and talk forever to

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Speaker 2: protest what's happening and come up to the whole business

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Speaker 2: of the house. But Jerry Browne is the speaker of

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Speaker 2: the House. It has the unique ability to regulate how

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Speaker 2: long people speak, to say that they're repeating themselves, that

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Speaker 2: they're talking about irrelevant things, and also to close off debate.

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Speaker 2: So actually, Jerry Brownlee, he holds all the power in the.

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Speaker 1: Situation, interesting Takelem really appreciate that. Thanks for coming on

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Speaker 1: lim Here, columnist and political commentator with us this morning.

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Speaker 1: That will take place this afternoon.

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