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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: get connected news.

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Speaker 1: Falk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon coming up on the show. Turns out the crew

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Speaker 3: on the Arteta which ran aground absolutely not stoked to

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Speaker 3: be accused of getting a coffee while the boat was

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Speaker 3: on order pilot. We're going to speak to their lawyer.

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Speaker 3: The official cash raid is still at five and a

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Speaker 3: half percent, but there is a hint that cuts are

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Speaker 3: coming sooner than expected. Kiwibank on that and Federated Farmers

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Speaker 3: on Shane Jones saying we are at peak cow Heather

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Speaker 3: Duplicy Ellen, Well, thank goodness, there are some common sense

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Speaker 3: left in this country. Country Kindy has been given permission

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Speaker 3: to stay open for another twelve weeks at least.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I've been fascinated by this story since we got wind

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Speaker 3: of it late last week. And what happened if you

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Speaker 3: haven't been across it, is that Thursday last week it

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Speaker 3: was announced that the Ministry of Education was going to

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Speaker 3: close down Country Kindy from Monday, and then Monday it

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Speaker 3: was announced that Country Kindy was taking court action to

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Speaker 3: overturn the decision and then yesterday it was announced that

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Speaker 3: David Seymour had now got involved in his capacity as

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Speaker 3: an education minister, and the Ministry had agreed to allow

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Speaker 3: Country Kendy to stay open for the next twelve weeks

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Speaker 3: while the court action takes place, which is good because

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Speaker 3: this situation is ridiculous. First of all, imagine the impact

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Speaker 3: on the parents of those twenty two kids who are

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Speaker 3: told on a Thursday that from Monday they're going to

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Speaker 3: have to find alternative care for their kids. Good luck

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Speaker 3: trying to get kids into an early childhood center with

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Speaker 3: two days notice. Even in a place like Auckland, She's

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Speaker 3: got heaps and heaps of ECE on offer. It's hard,

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Speaker 3: never mind trying to find that in the manner were

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Speaker 3: two somewhere in the middle of Fielding and Hunterville. I

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Speaker 3: don't know about you, but I don't think there's gonna

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Speaker 3: be a lot of Kindi's there in Auckland. Just to

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Speaker 3: give you an example of how tight it is, I

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Speaker 3: was on a waiting list for a candy for eighteen

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Speaker 3: months until I canceled it because I couldn't be bothered

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Speaker 3: waiting anymore. So imagine what it's like somewhere between Fielding

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Speaker 3: and Hunterville. Imagine the impact on those parents right, Imagine

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Speaker 3: the impact on their workplaces because one of them ain't

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Speaker 3: coming to work because I've got a preschooler at home now.

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Speaker 3: And imagine the impact also on the kids who just

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Speaker 3: want to go to kindy and see their friends. But

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Speaker 3: worst of all of this is why the candy was

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Speaker 3: shut down. It was shut down because it failed to

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Speaker 3: meet seven seven regulations, including my personal favorite three. Condition

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Speaker 3: one a philosophy statement that guides the services operation. Literally,

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Speaker 3: it got shut down because it didn't have a philosophy statement.

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Speaker 3: Condition five. Demonstrate that adults providing education and care engage

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Speaker 3: in meaningful, positive interactions to enhance children's learning and nurture

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Speaker 3: reciprocal relationships. Condition six The practices of adults providing education

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Speaker 3: and care demonstrate and understanding of children's learning and development,

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Speaker 3: and knowledge of relevant theories and practice in early childhood education.

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Speaker 3: The teachers weren't beating the kids, they weren't starving the

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Speaker 3: kids to death locking them outdoors all day. There wasn't

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Speaker 3: a health and safety issue. Which didn't write a philosophy statement.

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Speaker 3: Apparently it means they need to get shut down. This

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Speaker 3: is ridiculous. What this is as a perfect example of

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Speaker 3: a why the early childhood sector desper needs that red

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Speaker 3: tape review that David Seymour's doing, and be what's gone

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Speaker 3: wrong with the Ministry of Education because apparently to them,

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Speaker 3: paperwork and philosophy statements are more important than kids just

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Speaker 3: being able to go to kindy. So thank goodness that

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Speaker 3: this place is still open, and he is hoping that

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Speaker 3: the Ministry of Education gets a spanking in court, Heather

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Speaker 3: due for ce Len nineteen ninet two is the text

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Speaker 3: us on that. Just after the half past five news,

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Speaker 3: Now Woolworths is calling on the government to help a

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Speaker 3: deal with ongoing retail crime. They reckon that physical assaults

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Speaker 3: will help. Gary Morrison is the CEO of the Security

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Speaker 3: Association and with us nowhy Gary, Yeah, Hi, Heather, So

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Speaker 3: do you think the trest parcelors need updating?

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Speaker 5: Definitely. It all refers back to the crimes at nineteen

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Speaker 5: sixty one, so we're talking about very old legislation and

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Speaker 5: whilst it covers what needs to be covered, it's very

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Speaker 5: We fully support the argument.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So their argument seems to be that if you

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Speaker 6: I hope you agree.

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Speaker 5: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Are they going to listen to that though? I mean,

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Speaker 3: if somebody is coming in and assaulting assaulting other people

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Speaker 5: I think that's sort of a wider discussion about what

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Speaker 5: security can do at that stage as well. And it's

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Speaker 5: not just trespass. We're also talking about citizens arrest, we're

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Speaker 5: talking about breach of the peace, et cetera. So there's

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Speaker 5: other opportunities there, this ability to or retain property or

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Speaker 5: Mitchell on exactly the same issues. What is critical for

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Speaker 5: to have appropriate training in conjunction with that as well.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so citizens arrest, you want security guards to be

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Speaker 5: Do this in the right situation with right training. Yes,

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Speaker 5: we should be able to retrieve property and if it's

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Speaker 5: appropriate and it's safe to do so, to detain offenders,

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Speaker 5: but that obviously needs the support of the police to

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Speaker 3: Retrieve property. By that, do you mean like, actually take

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Speaker 5: Correct before we exit the store?

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Speaker 3: Don securitygards actually not do that?

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Speaker 5: Effectly, Well, I shouldn't say no flat out because the

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Speaker 5: Crimes Act actually allows it. But it's very difficult to

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Speaker 5: make that interpretation. And currently the advice would be not

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Speaker 5: uncertainty that security staff could actually be arrested themselves for assault. Exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's great, and that's a gray area that sits within

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Speaker 5: the law. Okay, we believe there are some fairly simple

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Speaker 5: changes that could be made fairly quickly before conducting a

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Speaker 5: fairly significant review of the Crimes Act, just to start

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Speaker 6: What can be done?

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Speaker 3: Do security guards themselves want to be able to do this?

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Speaker 5: Not across the board, and it would only be staff

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Speaker 5: well involved working with the police to make sure they've

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Speaker 3: Right, so you can potentially do it, like, not all

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Speaker 5: Yet exactly it would have been a form of accreditation

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Speaker 3: Okay, at the moment, security guards are just warm bodies

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Speaker 5: I think it goes a little bit beyond that. They

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Speaker 7: The situation, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: So I think we have to give due credit to

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Speaker 5: the powers I have currently.

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Speaker 3: Gary, best of luck trying to get this one across

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Speaker 3: the line, because it seems like that one's common sense

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Speaker 3: as well. That's Gary Morrison, CEO of Security Association. Now

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Speaker 3: bit of a bummer that lu Lusun has been and

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Speaker 3: knocked out of Wimbledon, But jeezy, I mean, that's an

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Speaker 3: impressive run. That's the furthest anybody playing under the New

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Speaker 3: But I reckon, probably more importantly, her ranking's going to change.

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Speaker 3: four Grand slams. Now, that is important because before Wimbledon,

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Speaker 3: How good?

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Speaker 2: Quarter past Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather

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Speaker 2: Duper c Allen Drive with one New Zealand one Ji

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Speaker 1: For business used.

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Speaker 3: Talks, it'd be Darcy Watergrave, host of sports Talkers with

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Speaker 3: me right now. Hey, dars greetings, have a sale GP.

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Speaker 8: Well it's here.

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Speaker 3: How good? Okay? So how is it that they've managed

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Speaker 3: to remediate the site that could not be remediated before

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Speaker 3: at the win your point, I don't.

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Speaker 8: Know, but the lease has expired so BP no longer

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Speaker 8: have responsibility over that. Was it shelwrothought, was BP look

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Speaker 8: one of those great big conglomerates and that one of

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Speaker 8: the gas pumping I don't know, but they've the lease

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Speaker 8: has expired now so they don't have to worry about

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Speaker 8: dealing with that. The mitigating circumstances are they're still a

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Speaker 8: little worried about the possible toxicity of that particular area

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Speaker 8: of town at at Winded Quarter, which is exactly where

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Speaker 8: Sir Russell Coots wants his baby part from what I

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Speaker 8: can gather, they're going, they're looking at the ways to

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Speaker 8: mitigate the threat. It's only for a short amount of time,

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Speaker 8: so that might come into it, Like it's only a

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Speaker 8: couple of weeks. Maybe they'll what can you put down

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Speaker 8: to stop that? Maybe it rollsome Breamworth out.

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Speaker 3: How toxic can the place seriously be if you're sitting

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Speaker 3: there for like how long you watch this thing for

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Speaker 3: if you're sitting in a stand, well not that long,

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Speaker 3: like a couple of hours.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, But I don't know what the toxicity levels are

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Speaker 8: of things like that.

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Speaker 1: I talk.

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Speaker 8: It does, but I think that maybe and I don't

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Speaker 8: know this for sure, but Sir Russell coots after that.

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Speaker 8: Let's face it, that was an embarrassment for him. It's

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Speaker 3: Christ to you take your dolphins, I'll take my boats.

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Speaker 3: Auckland FC. Hey signing it Mount Smart?

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Speaker 9: What is it?

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Speaker 8: Go Media Stadium Mount Smart.

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Speaker 3: I needed to say that other than I'm going to

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Speaker 8: Does he line your pockets? Does he not? Okay, Fine,

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Speaker 8: I don't pay me to do it, do they.

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Speaker 3: I've got nothing from Mike other than abusive texts about this, Like,

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Speaker 8: Well, this has been a very poorly kept secret. Everybody's known,

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Speaker 8: It's five years. There's not going to be a great

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Speaker 8: saying how can we make this work? Because it's the

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Speaker 3: Plus it's got a little bar out well there you go, Oh.

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Speaker 8: Good, They'll make more little bars, trust me they'll be.

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Speaker 8: It's a rectangular stadium that you can see. The energy

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Speaker 10: So this is this is great news where it goes

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Speaker 3: You know, we want a waterfront.

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Speaker 8: And like if you ever dealt with Auckland Stadium before

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Speaker 3: Thanks Darcy, appreciate it, Darcy water Grave Sports or Coast

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Speaker 3: every time. For twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper Clan

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Speaker 3: it looks like the cuts are coming, because the statement

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Speaker 3: to Kiwi Banks Jared Kerr ten past five and get

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Speaker 3: they were saying, well, I think they're still in a

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Speaker 3: hoping for anyway, very very interesting story about the payout

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Speaker 3: There's more to it. Them was in the Herald right,

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Speaker 3: He's put on special leave, he leaves the film commission,

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Speaker 3: than these conflicts of interest, can't we? Headline's next, The.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting a lot of texts saying lu Lucon is

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Speaker 3: Mattedia Tude, Elizabeth Keittikety, Darling Tanna. But Julie Angenter. It

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you being accused of this, this is

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Speaker 3: The big NATO summit is underway in Washington, DC. Here's

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Speaker 11: It's a pleasure to host you in this milestone year.

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Speaker 11: Look backward, pride at all we've achieved, and look I

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Speaker 3: he's been challenged to another debate by his election opponent,

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump. Here's Trumpy, speaking at a rally in Florida.

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Speaker 12: Let's do another debate this week so that sleepy Joe

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Speaker 12: time it will be manned to man, no moderators.

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Speaker 1: No holes barred.

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Speaker 3: a scratchy. I've only even won about five Donna Osborne

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Speaker 3: a trip to Alaska.

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Speaker 3: Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent with US Now, Hey Dan, Hi, Heather.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he was pretty fire in that speech as

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Speaker 3: he quelled any concerns.

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Speaker 12: No.

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Speaker 13: I mean, it's interesting because normally when you get leaders

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Speaker 13: like this together, we'd be talking about what they're talking about.

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Speaker 13: But in this case, well, I mean it would have

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Speaker 13: been Ukraine and Russia obviously, but this week I think

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Speaker 13: it's more watching president buying to see if he's capable

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Speaker 13: to run the country for another four years, and that's

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Speaker 13: what everyone's talking about over here. I think he was

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Speaker 13: speaking a little better today. He had a little more energy,

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Speaker 13: it felt like from watching him. But remember, I mean,

449
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Speaker 13: this speech was read from a teleprompter, it was from

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Speaker 13: prepared remarks. It wasn't off the cuff, and you don't

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Speaker 13: take questions in the situation. So we'll see how this

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Speaker 13: works out later in the week. I think, you know,

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Speaker 13: by the weekend, early next week, we're gonna have a

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Speaker 13: better idea if he's got the support that he needs

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Speaker 13: to stay in this race, not just from world leaders

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Speaker 13: but here at home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the thing about about his performance is that

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Speaker 3: it is so hit and miss, right, and we have

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Speaker 3: seen him go from being really really lackluster to being

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Speaker 3: really energetic, and so having an energetic performance once off

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Speaker 3: is not really convincing, is it.

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Speaker 13: No, No, you're right, it's hit and miss. I mean,

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Speaker 13: the night after the debate, he was pretty good. When

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Speaker 13: he was out on the campaign trail, a couple of

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Speaker 13: days later, he was ah. Today he looked he sounded

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Speaker 13: real good too, And I think they're really working on

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Speaker 13: him to, you know, to stay the course and every

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Speaker 13: single day, and I mean every single day counts between

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Speaker 13: now in the next week or two, I think fair.

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Speaker 3: Enough how's it going for Alec Baldwin.

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Speaker 13: Well, I mean they've they've got a jury that's been selected,

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Speaker 13: so opening the arguments are scheduled for tomorrow. It looks like,

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Speaker 13: I mean, if things go as planned, this is going

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Speaker 13: to be a fairly quick case. I mean, closing arguments

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Speaker 13: are expected next week sometime I think around the nineteenth.

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Speaker 13: And he did score a little bit of a victory,

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Speaker 13: I guess when the judge ruled that prosecutors can't introduce

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Speaker 13: evidence of his status as a producer on this movie,

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Speaker 13: which he was as well as you know, starring, and

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Speaker 13: then that you know, it was kind of interesting too

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Speaker 13: because his attorney took a minute or two to remind

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Speaker 13: the jurors today that bald when it was or is

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Speaker 13: quote a real person and then asked everyone if they

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Speaker 13: had seen Baldwin in a movie or a comedy show

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Speaker 13: that they didn't like and would they hold that against him,

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Speaker 13: because some jawors obviously would. He doesn't have the best

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Speaker 13: reputation in the public. Y.

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Speaker 3: Hey, how are they having a film festival in the prison?

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Speaker 1: I love this?

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Speaker 13: And to give you a little background, San Quentin State

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Speaker 13: Prison is a maximum security correctional facility for men. It's

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Speaker 13: located here in northern California. It's near San Francisco. You've

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Speaker 13: probably seen it a million times and didn't even realize

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Speaker 13: it on TV shows and movies, and so they're holding

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Speaker 13: the first ever film festival inside a prison. They just

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Speaker 13: named the jury today, which includes actors like Jeffrey Wright

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Speaker 13: who played oh Felix Leider in the Bond movies, and

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Speaker 13: Mary Louise Parker and a lot of other actors and

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Speaker 13: actresses too. This is going to take place on the

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Speaker 13: tenth and eleventh inside the prison. They're going to have

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Speaker 13: short form films and pitches from people who are currently

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Speaker 13: locked up, who were formerly locked up. They're going to

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Speaker 13: have a separate jury that's inside people that are currently

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Speaker 13: incarcerated as well as the actors. And you know, this

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Speaker 13: is the first kind of a film festival that's ever

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Speaker 13: been held here. But they already do a lot of

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Speaker 13: media works inside this place too. I mean, they've got

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Speaker 13: a podcast that they produce that's listened to all over

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Speaker 13: the world called Ear Hustle and Uncuffed, and they also

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Speaker 13: have a little sort of in house bulletin too. So

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Speaker 13: I guess it's just giving the people in there sort

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Speaker 13: of another resource when they get out, if they get out.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. All right, Dan, thank you very much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you in a couple of days. Its

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Speaker 3: Dan Mitchison, US correspondent here. The hope that we may

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Speaker 3: continues to get better, and you guys are catching up

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Speaker 3: on sleep, let me tell you, yeah, So, yes, I'm

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Speaker 3: catching up on sleep. He he's you know, like the

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Speaker 3: cough hangs around after the croup for a little while.

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Speaker 3: So he's going to take a little while. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: so he was well enough today to go down to

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Speaker 3: the skate park and have a crack on the scooter

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Speaker 3: against he likes scootering. I turned up to the skate

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Speaker 3: park to you know, hang out just a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Turned up to the site of old mate having little

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Speaker 3: mate having face planted into the skate park with a

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Speaker 3: busted lip and blood absolutely everywhere. I was like, it's

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Speaker 3: just one thing after the other with children, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Here you are like one minute you can't breathe because

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Speaker 3: you're the next minute you're going too fast on the

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Speaker 3: scooter and now you've got a busted lip. Anyway, he'll

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Speaker 3: be fine, he'll be fine. It is a lesson to

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Speaker 3: him to put his helmet on, not that the helmet

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Speaker 3: necessarily would have helped the lip, but anyway, we're going

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Speaker 3: to use this as a learning experience. But I did

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Speaker 3: turn up to work with blood all over my coat,

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Speaker 3: which I only noticed when I was here, and I

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Speaker 3: was like, oh, well, there you go, badge of honor,

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Speaker 3: and now I've got a yarn to tell he'll be fine,

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Speaker 3: Thank you for asking. It sounds like the crew on

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Speaker 3: the Atter's Head Air this is the boat that ran aground,

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Speaker 3: are really not stoked about the story that New Zealand

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Speaker 3: First has put out that they put the thing on

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Speaker 3: autopil and went for a coffee. The bridge crew, it

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Speaker 3: turns out, are unionized, and they've got a lawyer, the

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Speaker 3: union lawyer, and he has categorically ruled out that any

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Speaker 3: beverages were involved in the incident, and he's really angry

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Speaker 3: with New Zealand posts. New Zealand First for putting that

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Speaker 3: post on Twitter, says it was completely inappropriate given that

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Speaker 3: it came from a party in government and it's spread

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Speaker 3: unfounded rumors. So we're gonna have a chat to this lawyer.

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Speaker 3: Troy's a Troy Stayed, who's going to be with us

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Speaker 3: just after five o'clock. Stand by for that. It's quarter

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Speaker 3: to two.

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Speaker 2: Politics was centrics credit check your customers and get payment certainty.

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Speaker 3: And your political correspondent barrisoapas with us. Hey, Barry, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Has Darling Tana quit yet?

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Speaker 14: No?

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Speaker 3: Has anybody heard from her?

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Speaker 11: No?

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Speaker 10: I've texted her on a number of occasions, offering her

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Speaker 10: the opportunity to put her side of the story. Never

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Speaker 10: heard anything back. It seems that there are leaks coming

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Speaker 10: from all over the place at the moment, though, and

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Speaker 10: one that was published today showed if you read it

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Speaker 10: on its merit, it shows that Darling Tana was all

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Speaker 10: over her husband's busoners and was involved in many of

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Speaker 10: the decisions and the allegations of migrant exploitation. She certainly

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Speaker 10: didn't convince you if you read the reports. She didn't

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Speaker 10: convince the barrister that was inquiring into it that she

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Speaker 10: was telling a straight story.

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Speaker 3: On the balance of wasn't it something like on the

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Speaker 3: balance of probability? She she must have known about the allegation.

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Speaker 10: Well, there was more than that, because she told one

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Speaker 10: story and then changed the story. And you know, I

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Speaker 10: think you know unless this report is formally released. And

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Speaker 10: this is what happens when you've got a political party

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Speaker 10: that really hasn't handled this well, It hasn't handled many

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Speaker 10: issues well this year. When they sit on a report

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Speaker 10: like this that was largely funded by the taxpayer, and

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Speaker 10: when Darling, when they say that Darling, Tana simply has

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Speaker 10: to line or has to sign off the release of it,

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Speaker 10: then you've got an issue. You're going to get leaks

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Speaker 10: all over the place, so you never know where you

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Speaker 10: really are.

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Speaker 3: Some of those leaks may even be from the party.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well true that.

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Speaker 10: And it seems that everyone agrees that Tana should resign

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Speaker 10: now as an MP and allow the Greens to bring

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Speaker 10: in the next person on their list. That's certainly the

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Speaker 10: view of Labor leader Chris Hopkins.

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Speaker 15: I don't want to necessarily pass judgment on the issues

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Speaker 15: around migrant exploitation. I haven't seen that. But the reality

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Speaker 15: is she was elected as a Green Member of Parliament.

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Speaker 15: She's resigned from the Green Party and so she should

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Speaker 15: resign from parliament. She doesn't have a mandate to be

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Speaker 15: an independent MP. She was elected as a Green EMP.

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Speaker 15: She no longer is, so she should go. Everybody voted

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Speaker 15: for her to be an independent MP. They voted for

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Speaker 15: the Greens and she became an MP because of that.

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Speaker 3: What a hypocrite, No is what a hypocrite agree with her,

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. He's happy to hand out advice to

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Speaker 3: another party to pull the pen on the walker jumping

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Speaker 3: legislation and be the first party to do that. But

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Speaker 3: when he had the opportunity with meta fight and he

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Speaker 3: did he do it.

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Speaker 10: Well, the point is that he would make He was

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Speaker 10: asked that, and in fairness to help Kins, he said that, Look,

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Speaker 10: was a couple of months out from an election, so

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Speaker 10: what was the point of causing a by election? Because

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Speaker 10: she actually held her seat that Darleentana didn't she was

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Speaker 10: a list MP.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there is there is some merit to that argument.

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Speaker 3: You'd have to say, how long can Darlin Tanna carry

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Speaker 3: the song where she's quiet? I suppose she can do

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Speaker 3: it for all of recess, right, so she's got another

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Speaker 3: two and a half week, Well, of.

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Speaker 10: Course she can, and then she can turn up to

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Speaker 10: Parliament and be probably the most unpopular person in the place.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so's she's got round about three weeks maximum before

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Speaker 3: she has to turn up and face the music, turn up.

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Speaker 10: And face the music, or join up with the Mouldi

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Speaker 10: Party and become a Maulti Party.

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Speaker 8: MP.

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Speaker 3: Can I talk to you about Joe Biden?

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Speaker 10: Yes, of course you can.

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Speaker 3: Are you convinced by his speech?

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Speaker 10: Look, he's going to be very much sent to stage

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Speaker 10: over the next forty eight hours because it's the first

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Speaker 10: time in twenty five years that the NATO leaders thirty

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Speaker 10: two of them have met in Washington, DC. And sent

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Speaker 10: to stage of course will be Biden. He'll be hosting

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Speaker 10: a dinner at the White House, and of course he

635
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Speaker 10: will be chairing the main event and will be holding

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Speaker 10: a press conference which will be very interesting to see. Basically,

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Speaker 10: New Zealand gave more money to the Ukraine today on

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Speaker 10: the eve of the NATO summit because the Ukrainian President

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Speaker 10: to Lensky, he'll be there, So we're giving a further

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Speaker 10: sixteen million dollars in military and humanitarian assistance. And that

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Speaker 10: brings now to the total that New Zealand has contributed

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Speaker 10: to one hundred and thirty million dollars, a lot of

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Speaker 10: money we've given to this effort. Luxeon, apparently because he'll

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Speaker 10: be sitting on the sidelines. Interestingly, there's what they call

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Speaker 10: a P four, which is observers to NATO. New Zealand

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Speaker 10: is the chair of that this year, so he'll be

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Speaker 10: in the chairs in the chairman's seat of the observers

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Speaker 10: and that includes Australia, Japan and South Korea. So you

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Speaker 10: know he'll be more important than what he may have

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Speaker 10: expected to be, although he probably was well and truly

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Speaker 10: across it before he went there. But he apparently will

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Speaker 10: get probably meetings with the Canadian Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau

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Speaker 10: and with the lame duck president from France, Emmanuel mccron. Interestingly,

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Speaker 10: both of those were great fans of Jason Dad, so

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Speaker 10: he'll be meeting with them. Probably.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, Berry, Thank you very much, appreciate. It's Barry Soper,

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Speaker 3: Senior political commentator. It's coming up seven away from.

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Speaker 1: Five digging into the issues that affect you. The Mic

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Speaker 1: Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 16: Labor will be floating their new ideas for an inheritance tax.

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Speaker 16: The big hurdle for the taxes where you suddenly find

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Speaker 16: a wad of cash, or granddad suddenly croaks and leaves

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Speaker 16: you his farm or whatever, then you have to sell

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Speaker 16: your inheritance to find the cash to pay the state,

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Speaker 16: which destroys.

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Speaker 8: The inheritance and the emotion connected to it.

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Speaker 16: And then, in a cruel irony, some richer guy buys

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Speaker 16: your inheritance off you and he gets richer, and so

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Speaker 16: much ignores the fact that money comes from one generation

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Speaker 16: to it another. How many of us owe our house

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Speaker 16: to the windfall that came from the hard work of

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Speaker 16: a previous generation.

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Speaker 1: So good luck labor.

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Speaker 16: The real problem with introducing these taxes a generation who

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Speaker 16: suddenly loses the benefits that previous generations had and they

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Speaker 16: get angry and then they don't vote fear.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Dickens on the Mic Hosking Breakfast Fact to Morrow,

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Speaker 2: It's six am with Jaguar on news Talk.

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Speaker 1: Sa'd be hither.

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Speaker 3: I'm appalled at how much money we've given to Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what?

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Speaker 17: I think?

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Speaker 3: I'm starting to come on board with the side you

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Speaker 3: because I think it's becoming really, really obvious that Ukraine

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Speaker 3: can never win this war, in which case, surely the

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Speaker 3: smarter thing to do. I mean, it depends on where

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Speaker 3: you sit on this, obviously, but surely the smartest thing

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Speaker 3: to do would be not to throw good money after

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Speaker 3: bad and just prolong a war that's frankly going to

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Speaker 3: end up not being won. But maybe the smartest thing

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Speaker 3: to do would be to sue for peace. Right encouraging

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Speaker 3: him to sue for peace, he's gonna have to give

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Speaker 3: up some territory to putin. I was very unpalatable to

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Speaker 3: most people to consider that, but I think that that

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Speaker 3: is inevitably what's going to happen. And if Trump wins

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Speaker 3: the election, he is definitely going to give up some land,

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Speaker 3: so he might want to get his head around that

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Speaker 3: one quickly. Hither, can you please ask Troy the lawyer

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Speaker 3: if the autopilot was on that boat. I'll ask that,

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Speaker 3: because yeah, they've denied the coffee, but they haven't denied

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Speaker 3: the autopilot, have they. Hither, I'm absolutely with you. I

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Speaker 3: want to see Darlne Tanastay in the Green State and

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Speaker 3: their own juices fell on with you on that now

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Speaker 3: walking access to Corimandel Cove in Corimandel, the cathedral cover

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Speaker 3: rather in Corimandel is going to be restored by this summer,

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Speaker 3: which is fantastic news. It's going to cost five million

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Speaker 3: bucks for a temporary fix and then some sort of

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Speaker 3: a long term fix as well. We're going to talk

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Speaker 3: to the minister about this because I can't quite get

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Speaker 3: my head around what's going on here. So in January,

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Speaker 3: the Department of Conservation, we're like, ah Na, it's never

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Speaker 3: going to be able to open it again. Probably never

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Speaker 3: going to be able to open it again because the

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Speaker 3: giant rocks just still moving and falling on people and

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Speaker 3: you know you can get squashed and never again. And

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Speaker 3: so how have we gone from January never again to

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Speaker 3: July five million bucks cheap airs, don't worry about it fixed?

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Speaker 3: How did that happen? So anyway, I'm a portacker will

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Speaker 3: explain it to us when he's with U shortly. And

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Speaker 3: we're also going to deal with the Reserve Bank lest

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Speaker 3: we forget those are interest rates coming down? That's what

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Speaker 3: we want. News Talk ZB how aren't you? And need

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Speaker 3: you old girl a.

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Speaker 12: Neat?

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Speaker 1: It's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: It the only drive show you can trust to ask

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Speaker 2: the questions, get the answers by the facts and give

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Speaker 2: the analysis together due to see Ellen drive with one

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Speaker 2: New Zealand let's get connected and News Talk said, be

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Speaker 2: good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: It turns out the crew on the bridge of the

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Speaker 3: ferry that ran aground and not happy to be accused

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Speaker 3: of ducking out for coffee just before it happened. That

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Speaker 3: was what New Zealand First had said on Twitter yesterday.

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Speaker 3: They said that the crew had put the boat on

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Speaker 3: autopilot and went out to get a coffee and then

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Speaker 3: couldn't get the autopilot off in time. Here's Winston Peters

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Speaker 3: on the Country today.

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Speaker 14: When I read the response in the jun Herald, I thought, claggy,

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Speaker 14: that's not a denial. Why would you need an inquiry?

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Speaker 14: Four we heating the four West letter into something as

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Speaker 14: simple as that. This is not complicated.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 3: The crew are unionized, The union has a lawyer. The

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Speaker 3: lawyer as Troy stayed with us. Now, hey Troy, hello,

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Speaker 3: he very well, thank you. Did they duck out for coffee?

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Speaker 9: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: Nobody on the bridge. Nobody on the bridge dug out

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Speaker 3: for coffee.

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Speaker 9: Regarding New Zealand First comments on Twitter last night and

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Speaker 9: Minister Pez this morning, both are quite frankly unhelpful and

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Speaker 9: it assounds me that the acting Prime Minister would raise

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Speaker 9: unsubstantiated rumor and conjecture in the middle with an active investigation.

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Speaker 9: No crew went out at ness cafe Gate, if you

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Speaker 9: want to call it that is little more than unsubstantiated rumor.

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Speaker 3: Did they put the vessel on autopilot?

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Speaker 9: So the Mulborough District Council Harbard Master has addressed this

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Speaker 9: point already. The point at which the vessel incident occurred,

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Speaker 9: the vessel was able to be on autopilot and the

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Speaker 9: steering configurations used for the departure of the vessel were

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Speaker 9: in line with standard operations at the at hands of

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Speaker 9: experienced crew. The presence of autopilot hasn't been payed as

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Speaker 9: an issue for the departure of the vessel was.

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Speaker 3: Yet okay, So are you saying yes, it was on autopilot?

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Speaker 9: Autopilot is an aspect on the operation of the vessel

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Speaker 9: at that time.

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Speaker 3: Episode yes, were they struggling to get it off autopilot?

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Speaker 9: So the investigation involves a large number of quite complex systems.

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Speaker 9: We're actively engaging with that investigation, as are the crew,

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Speaker 9: trying to get to grips with what happened. Unfortunately, we're

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Speaker 9: not in a position where we can conclusively say for

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Speaker 9: sure what happened and provide you specific comment.

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Speaker 3: Have any of the members of the bridge crew said

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Speaker 3: to you, yes, we couldn't get it off autopilot.

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Speaker 9: So the as I say, the engagement we're having with

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Speaker 9: the crew, that's still subject to the investigation. So I'm

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Speaker 9: not in a position to disclose that as yet.

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Speaker 3: What action are you going to take that? If they've

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Speaker 3: engaged you, there's a point for that, so what are

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Speaker 3: you supposed to do.

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Speaker 9: So we're advocating for their interests in this matter, ky

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Speaker 9: Rail independently advised. We're taking them through the investigation process,

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Speaker 9: first of all with take Transport Act Accident Investigation Commission,

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Speaker 9: and then should they choose Maritime Zeland as the regulator,

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Speaker 9: we'll come through with an investigation.

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Speaker 3: With respect to what Winston Peter's in New Zealand first said,

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Speaker 3: are you going to do anything there?

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Speaker 9: So we can take instruction on that point, but I

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Speaker 9: think giving it any further oxygen just does a disservice

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Speaker 9: to the crew and the professionalism with which they handled

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Speaker 9: the vessel during and after the investigation after the incident.

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Speaker 3: Rather, Troy, thank you for your time, really appreciate it,

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Speaker 3: Troy staid, maritime lawyer. So it was an order pilot

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Speaker 3: quarter part rather eleven past five.

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Speaker 1: Hever du Allen.

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Speaker 3: If you've got a mortgage, maybe there's a little bit

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Speaker 3: of light at the end of the tunnel. The Reserve

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Speaker 3: Bank has left the official cash rate on changed today,

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Speaker 3: but economists reckon his tone has become softer. Jared Kerr

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Speaker 3: is ki we Bank's chief economist and with us Now, hey, Jared, hi, right,

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Speaker 3: So are you expecting a cup in November?

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Speaker 12: Still?

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 18: We're sticking with that forecast. And the commentary that we

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Speaker 18: saw out of the Reserve Bank today suggests that are

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Speaker 18: opening the door to a rate cut earlier than they

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Speaker 18: had expected.

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Speaker 3: Do they still sound to you? I mean, they're saying

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Speaker 3: that the inflation is going to be within the target

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Speaker 3: band of one to three this half of the year,

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Speaker 3: which is bringing it forward slightly, but it's still lingering

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Speaker 3: concerns about sticky inflation.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, there is, But I think they had to acknowledge

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Speaker 18: the collapse and business confidence we saw last week, and

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Speaker 18: we've got very weak household confidence at recessionary levels, and

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Speaker 18: we've been in a recession for a year and a half.

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Speaker 18: So you know enough enough it's time to turn the

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Speaker 18: tide and start lowering rates.

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Speaker 3: Do you think then, okay, that the data that we've

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Speaker 3: got so of all the data that we've got between

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Speaker 3: now and let's say November. What is it that we

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Speaker 3: need to be looking at to be seeing whether it

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Speaker 3: does happen in November.

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Speaker 18: I think everything comes out in inflation. The next inflation report,

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Speaker 18: I'm not that interested in. It's the third quarter, the

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Speaker 18: September quarter inflation report that comes out mid October that

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Speaker 18: has us excited because we forecast inflation will be below

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Speaker 18: three percent then, and that'll open the door for a

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Speaker 18: cut in November.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, Jared, so right down to the wire. I

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Speaker 3: appreciate it as Jared Kirky, we Banks chief economist ever do.

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Speaker 3: For see ellens Heither you must be in the appeasement

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Speaker 3: camp or Ukraine. You sound like a nineteen thirty Tory

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Speaker 3: hither touched up with your thoughtful comments on Ukraine. Sounds

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Speaker 3: like you're putting your hands up for the situation, almost

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Speaker 3: vacant in the Green Party. Listen, I tell you what,

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Speaker 3: let's just mark this down, okay. Tenth of July. I

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Speaker 3: said to you that I think that this war is

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Speaker 3: unwinnable by Ukraine and that at some point Vladimir a

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Speaker 3: Zelenski is just going to have to give pootin some

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Speaker 3: land to make them go away. I've said that. Now,

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Speaker 3: let's see what happens, right, We see if you've got

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Speaker 3: a problem with that. Let's see if they win the war,

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Speaker 3: and then we'll find out who was right. We have

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Speaker 3: got on another subject. We've got another case potentially of

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Speaker 3: the wrong person being convicted for murder. Now, this is

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Speaker 3: the case of Gail Many and Stephen Stone. Gail Manie

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Speaker 3: and Stephen Stone have both been convicted for the murder

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Speaker 3: of Dean pull of Sanders, which happened in nineteen ninety nine. Now,

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Speaker 3: they had a trial in nineteen ninety nine. They also

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Speaker 3: had a trial in two thousand and they were convicted it. Particularly,

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Speaker 3: Gail Manie has always maintained her innocence. She said she

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Speaker 3: she didn't even know the dead guy, let alone. The

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Speaker 3: story was apparently that the dead guy had burgled her

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Speaker 3: and then she got her mate Stephen to kill him.

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Speaker 3: She says she didn't even know him, let alone get

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Speaker 3: Stephen to kill him, so that didn't happen. What has

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Speaker 3: happened now is it was due to go to the

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Speaker 3: Court of Appeal next month and in a really big

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Speaker 3: surprise move, the Crown has just admitted today that there

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Speaker 3: was a miscarriage of justice in both of the trials,

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Speaker 3: apparently grave problems with the evidence heard him both trials

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Speaker 3: ninety ninety nine and two thousand, which led to the

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Speaker 3: miscarriage of justice. What this means is it's probably still

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Speaker 3: going to go to the Court of Appeal next month,

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Speaker 3: but the acquittal that the pairs lawyers want probably going

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Speaker 3: to happen much faster now. So keep an eye on that.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen past five, Hi, Heather, listening to that interview. Oh, yes,

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Speaker 3: that ferry was absolutely on auto pilot and the sounds

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Speaker 3: as well. Trevor. Yes, the ferry was an order pilot.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing, Okay, so we've established so what happened

872
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: is New Zealand Versus made three allegations in that tweet.

873
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: Number one that the ferry was an order pilot, number

874
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 3: two that the autopilot could not be removed in time,

875
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 3: and number three that somebody left the bridge for a coffee. Right,

876
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: So we've established, Yes, they were correct on the fact

877
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: that it was on auder pilot, and what we now

878
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: need to find out is and they were wrong on

879
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: the coffee bit. But were they right that somebody had

880
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: left the bridge to do something else? I don't know,

881
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 3: maybe they went for a Wii. I don't know, you know,

882
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: something else such a said, oh, I'm going for a coffee,

883
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 3: but they really went for a wee. Who knows? So

884
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 3: did they leave for another reason? And also this is important.

885
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 3: Could they not get the autopilot off in time? Hither

886
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: it sounds like the pile on toppling inquiry again. Actually,

887
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 3: actually I've got an update for you on that retranspower.

888
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: Stand by because you're going to want to hear this.

889
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 3: We're going to get to that. Eighteen past five. Good

890
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: news for the Coramandel because it's just been announced walking

891
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 3: access to Cathedral Cove is going to be back in

892
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: time for summer. The government has pledged five million dollars

893
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 3: for a fix to the walkway, which has been closed

894
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: since cyclone. Gabriel Tama Portucke is the Conservation Minister.

895
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 6: Hay Tummer Jadada.

896
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 3: I'm stoked about this. I am stoked about this. But

897
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 3: explain to me how we have gone from it may

898
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 3: never open ever again in January to six months later

899
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 3: in July. Yep, we can open it for five million bucks.

900
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 3: How did that happen?

901
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 6: Well, it's absolutely pleasure to be part of promise that

902
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 6: Christoph Luxin's cannet and he wants to get things done.

903
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 6: We're very targeted and solutions focused around looking after our

904
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 6: land and sea for future generations. So the aising with

905
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 6: Doc and the community were deliberated, made a decision We've

906
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 6: got to fix it, get on with it.

907
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 3: So Doc was saying, I think in February that the

908
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: hillside was still unsafe and things may still tumble down

909
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 3: like gigantic rocks may tumble down and squish people. Is

910
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 3: that not going to happen?

911
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 6: Well, I think that we live on the top of

912
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 6: techtonic plates that come together. We do have some challenges,

913
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 6: but they've done some due diligence. They've worked with experts.

914
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 6: They've figured out a way how we can minimize those

915
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 6: risks and create a safe environment for people to walk

916
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 6: down to the beach and enjoy the great place of

917
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 6: Cathedral code.

918
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 3: Were they catastrophizing the situation at DOC because they didn't

919
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 3: want to have to pay for this? Is that what

920
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 3: was really going on?

921
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 6: No, I think that there's an absolute appetite to have

922
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 6: both a short and a long term fix, not only

923
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 6: just for the walking track, but the car parking and

924
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 6: a whole range of other things, and I've worked deliberately

925
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 6: to get to a solution and I've encouraged them along.

926
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this money is this coming out of Dock's

927
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 3: budget or is it out of special new money?

928
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 6: No, this money has emerged from the International Visitor Levy

929
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 6: DOC and the Tourism Crew. We get fifty percent each

930
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 6: of the International visit a levy paid by international visitors,

931
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 6: and every year we've been fortunate enough to get some

932
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 6: funds which we can apply to important projects like Cathedral

933
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 6: Coke cool And how long.

934
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 3: Is five million bucks going to keep this walkway open for?

935
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 6: Well, I think there's both a short term and a

936
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 6: long term solution that's underway. The first part is to

937
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 6: get the short term fixed for Christmas this year so

938
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 6: we can be down there in December, and the long

939
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 6: term fix might take a couple of years to work

940
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 6: through and figure out and make it sustainable.

941
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 3: Tamma, thank you so much for taking the time to

942
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: talk to us. I really appreciate and best of like

943
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,959
Speaker 3: getting that walkway open. People are going to be stoked.

944
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 3: That's Tuma Pawtucker, the Conservation Minister got Heather that autopilot

945
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: that ran at a ground is not very good autopilot,

946
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 3: is it right? Something something went wrong here? Are you?

947
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 3: Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

948
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: B one?

949
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 3: If you're on auto pilot, how on earth did you

950
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: end up on the beach. Something's gone on here, right,

951
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 3: So let's just find out how many nuts were taken

952
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 3: out all at exactly the same time. Got some official

953
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: numbers on the brain drained to Ossie last year. So

954
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: net for twenty twenty three is twenty seven thousand people

955
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 3: who just went from New Zealand to Australia, not anywhere

956
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 3: else in the world, just Australia. It's almost double the

957
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 3: fourteen thousand, six hundred who went there in the year

958
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 3: before in twenty twenty two. But in order for you

959
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 3: to not freak out all together, like I think we

960
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 3: should be worried, But let's not freak out all together,

961
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 3: because it is still well below the record which was

962
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 3: set in twenty twelve forty four thousand people. So twenty

963
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 3: seven thousand, it's a lot, but it's not forty four thousand,

964
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 3: is it? Five to twenty one?

965
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 2: The name you trust to get the answers you need

966
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 2: have a dut to see allan drive with one new Zealand.

967
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

968
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 3: Hey, David Seymore is going to be with us just

969
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: after the half past five news talk us through what's

970
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 3: going on with country kindy right now it's coming up

971
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 3: five to twenty four. Now, it seems like there might

972
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 3: be a little bit of hope for our universities after all,

973
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 3: based on the surprisingly good free speech policy that was

974
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 3: announced by the Otago University today. I don't know if

975
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: you've seen this. This is awesome. Their policy acknowledges that

976
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 3: free speech is the lifeblood of a university, that it

977
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 3: enables the exploration of ideas, the challenging of assumptions, the

978
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: uncovering of truth through open exchange. And it says that

979
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 3: the university will not restrict debate or deliberation simply because

980
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 3: the ideas put forth I thought by some to be offensive, unwise,

981
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 3: immoral or wrongheaded. Amen, because that is how people shut

982
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 3: down debate at universities. They are defensive and wrong and

983
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 3: these guys are going that's not a good reason. Now,

984
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 3: this is surprisingly good I think for a lot of people,

985
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 3: given how concerned a lot of people were about Otago

986
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 3: University getting a little bit on the woke side with

987
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 3: the rebranding and becoming treaty centered and stuff like that.

988
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 3: But really, for me, more importantly why I'm surprised is

989
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: because our universities have very very quickly in the past

990
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: moved to shut down debate. Massi University banned on brash,

991
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 3: Auckland University basically divorced itself from the seven academics who

992
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 3: wrote to the Listener about matodong Amari, and even recently

993
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: Victoria University changed a debate on free speech because it

994
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 3: upsets some people. This policy from Otago University is so

995
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 3: good it's going to put pressure on the other universities

996
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 3: to step their games up because our senior universities like

997
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 3: Victoria and Auckland are also working through their own policies

998
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 3: at the moment, because this is just something that universities

999
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 3: in the English speaking world are all doing. Auckland University,

1000
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 3: though no surprise, is already well down the path of

1001
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: writing a policy that looks like it's gonna be absolute rubbish.

1002
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: It says it's gonna protect free speech as long as

1003
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: the university can put some regulations around what staff and

1004
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 3: students say. If they think they need to safeguard the

1005
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 3: well being of other staff and students, which is not

1006
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: free speech at all. Right, it's just going it. You

1007
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 3: might offend some people. That's not a free speech policy.

1008
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: That's just carrying on with status quo. So bravo Otago University.

1009
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 3: Completely unexpected, and here's hoping it puts pressure on the

1010
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: remaining universities in this country to step their game up

1011
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 3: as well.

1012
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: Heather do for CLA.

1013
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 3: We're gonna speak to them after half past six. Okay,

1014
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 3: here we go read the pylon thing we call Transpower

1015
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: today because we wanted to talk to them about what's

1016
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 3: going on at the moment up north, because they've said

1017
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 3: to the people up north that they're not going to

1018
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 3: pay any more COMPO because Transpower just apparently finds itself

1019
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 3: doesn't when it sees a giant hole, it goes, get

1020
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 3: me a spade, let me make us worse. So we

1021
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 3: got in the call and we were like, is this

1022
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 3: what are you gonna pay these people? Compo? Are you're

1023
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 3: not going to pay these people at COMPO? Can you

1024
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: come on and talk to us? And they were like,

1025
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 3: we are never ever, ever, ever, ever ever ever coming

1026
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: on the show with Heather ever ever again. And we

1027
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 3: were like, what producer Jack Bless had to do it.

1028
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 3: We had to let him be in charge of that.

1029
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 3: We had producer Jack was like, oh why, and they

1030
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 3: were like two reasons. Because Heather played the clown music.

1031
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 19: All the nuts securing the tower to the bass plate

1032
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 19: on three legs have been removed, which caused the tower

1033
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 19: to lift off the bass plate and fall.

1034
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: Also, second reason, because we speculated on the Friday that

1035
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 3: what happened before they announced happened on the Monday is

1036
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 3: what happened. So they did not like us telling you

1037
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: that on the friday. They did not like us telling

1038
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 3: you that someone had taken all the nuts out before

1039
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: they told you on the Monday that someone had taken

1040
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 3: all the nuts out. So Jack said, Jack wrote them

1041
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: an email just to make sure it's in writing, and

1042
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 3: he said to them, so let's just get this right.

1043
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 3: You're not going to talk to Heather, but you will

1044
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 3: talk to Mike. And they were like absolutely and all

1045
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 3: news talks ZB reporters. How juvenile is that? I mean, look,

1046
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: I'm not going to cry about Transpower because it's not

1047
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 3: like Allison from Transpower was going to come on the

1048
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: show and be like, look, yeah, we took all the

1049
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: nuts out. That's what happened. We took all the nuts out.

1050
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 3: She wasn't going to tell us that. No, no, she's

1051
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: gonna be like, that's really unhelpful to be speculating. So

1052
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: it's not as if we're missing it, you know, like

1053
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 3: some sort of information flow from Transpower. But basically, just

1054
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 3: so you understand, they are upset because we took the

1055
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 3: piss out of them like the rest of the country,

1056
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: and we looked at the thing and said, all the

1057
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 3: nuts are gone like the rest of the country. So

1058
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 3: they don't like some truth. So I've got loads of

1059
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 3: truth torpedoes for you, Transpower, and you're asking for it now.

1060
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 3: Headline's next.

1061
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1062
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: your car on your drive home hither due to see

1063
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and

1064
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 2: news talk.

1065
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: As z'd be Heather.

1066
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 3: Clearly, they haven't taken all of the nuts out of

1067
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: head office at Transpower. Keep it coming, Keep it coming, John,

1068
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: they're asking for it. If Transpower doesn't want to be

1069
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 3: on the show and talk, we'll just talk about them

1070
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 3: amongst ourselves and then they don't get a right of

1071
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 3: reply and then they'll see how they feel about that.

1072
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: Mm mmm.

1073
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 3: Huddle's standing by to have a chat to us very shortly. Also,

1074
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 3: Shane Jones has made some really interesting comments. He's basically

1075
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 3: said the country's at peak dairy and the future lies

1076
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: in actually getting stuff out of the sea. We have

1077
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 3: a chat to Federated farmers about that just after six o'clock.

1078
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: Right now, it's twenty three away from six.

1079
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: Heather Dupless out now, as we've.

1080
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 3: Been discussing Country Kindy and Rural Manner were two has

1081
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 3: received a stay of execution. The Ministry of Education had

1082
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 3: announced it was going to close on Monday, but then

1083
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 3: David Seymour got involved, and then the Kindy launched legal

1084
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 3: action and now the Ministry of Education's decided to allow

1085
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Speaker 3: the kindy to stay open for twelve more weeks. The

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Speaker 3: Associate Education Minister, David Seymour was with us. Now, Hey David,

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Speaker 3: Hey you Heather, So did you get involved in tell

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Speaker 3: the ministry to change its mind?

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Speaker 6: No, I can't do that.

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Speaker 7: There's two things I've got to be clear about. One

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Speaker 7: is that under the law at the moment it is

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Speaker 7: up to the Secretary of Education. In reality, some of

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Speaker 7: her staff to make these licensing decisions. And two is

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Speaker 7: that it's now before the court, so it's probably going

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Speaker 7: to be up to them to decide. What I've done

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Speaker 7: is called them all and including the people from one

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Speaker 7: O H two who have been involved, and said, are

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Speaker 7: you guys absolutely sure you're making the right decision? And

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Speaker 7: is any question of student safety? And what they've confirmed

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Speaker 7: is that there's no question here that any student is

1101
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Speaker 7: in any danger. There's no health or safety issue. It

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Speaker 7: all relates effectively to paperwork and compliance around the curriculum.

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Speaker 7: And I've stressed to them that they want to be

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Speaker 7: absolutely sure that they're doing the right thing, because they

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00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 7: now I'm going to have to answer to a judge

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Speaker 7: by the sound of it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so are you aware that they closed the candy

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Speaker 3: down for things like not writing a philosophy statement.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 7: One of the reasons that the government has a what

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00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 7: we're calling a Regulatory sector review of early childhood is

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Speaker 7: that early childhood centers are subjected to extraordinary amounts of

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00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 7: regulatory compliance. For example, I had someone email me yesterday

1114
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 7: just point out that they have to have nineteen documents

1115
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 7: like that ready up to date and prepared for inspection

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00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 7: any time, and they can lose their license, doesn't matter

1117
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 7: how much.

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Speaker 3: The parents going to the philosophy statement, I mean, how

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Speaker 3: important is that.

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Speaker 7: Well, I just tell you I was in a government

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00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 7: when that was put in place, and that's exactly why

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00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 7: the Ministry for Regulation is going through the the set

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Speaker 7: of requirements for running an e CE, and their basic

1124
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 7: writing instructions are, if it's not helping keep children safe

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Speaker 7: and keep them growing so they're ready for primary school,

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Speaker 7: then maybe we don't need it.

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Speaker 3: David. We've been told that one of the violations that

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Speaker 3: the Ministry had originally listed was that the kids needed

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Speaker 3: to ask permission before they could go to the toilet,

1130
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 3: and the Ministry of Education said that didn't give the

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00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 3: kids enough agency. Is that true.

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00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 7: Well, I've been advised that that is suddenly one of

1133
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 7: the issues that has been raised by the Ministry. I

1134
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 7: think I've got to leave it up to them and

1135
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Speaker 7: in any court action that may come to decide the

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Speaker 7: merits of that. But certainly I remember going to school

1137
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 7: and actually I got a letter from one of my

1138
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 7: old kindy teachers this week at work, actually, and I

1139
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 7: certainly remember having.

1140
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Speaker 6: To ask to go to the toilet.

1141
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 7: And I know that people have mix us, but I

1142
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 7: think I turned out just fine.

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Speaker 3: You've almost got too much agency. Some would say, listen,

1144
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 3: do you need I mean, if this is the kind

1145
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 3: of nonsense that the Ministry of Education is getting up to,

1146
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 3: do you think actually that decisions like this should be

1147
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 3: taken out of the Ministry's purview and put with the minister?

1148
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: Well?

1149
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 7: It is real interesting. I mean, I just look at

1150
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 7: all this elections going on and people getting pretty disillusioned

1151
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 7: with the candidates they have to vote for. And it's

1152
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 7: not just in France and America and Britain, it's in

1153
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 7: the local councils here. One of the trends I notice

1154
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 7: is that often the people you can vote for don't

1155
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 7: actually have a huge amount of power to make the decisions.

1156
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 7: And I think sometimes it's actually better if someone in

1157
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 7: my position doesn't have to come on the radio and say, look,

1158
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 7: to be honest, it's the secretary's decision for the courts.

1159
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Speaker 6: I can't really say much.

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00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 7: It should actually have the power to make these decisions

1161
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 7: and be accountable. You know, if you don't like me,

1162
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 7: vote me out, that's how it works. Rather than having

1163
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 7: someone who's not subject to that making all the call.

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00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 7: So yep, that's certainly something we're looking in tough.

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Speaker 3: Thank god, David, thank you very much, appreciate it. David Seymore,

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Speaker 3: Associated Education Minister.

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Speaker 2: The Huddle with New Zealand South the Beast International Realty

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Speaker 2: exceptional marketing for every property.

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Speaker 3: On the huddle with me. This evening got Jack Tame

1170
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 3: host to Q and A Saturday Mornings in Jordan. Williams

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00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 3: Taxpayers Union Highlands Yoda Jack. How does auto pilot on

1172
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 3: a ferry landed on a beach? A good question, very

1173
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 3: good question.

1174
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Speaker 20: I've never used autopilot on a faery or any large

1175
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 20: ship personally, I think that's.

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Speaker 3: The opposite of what an autopilot's wants to do.

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Speaker 20: My question is, is okay? First of all, if auto

1178
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 20: pilot was engaged, is it appropriate for autopilot to be

1179
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 20: engaged whilst you're still in the sounds?

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00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 3: The harbor master says yes, it's okay.

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00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 20: Okay, okay, So then you basically leave. And if autopilot

1182
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 20: was engaged and no one was on the bridge, that's

1183
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 20: not a great look. But then if autopilot was engaged

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00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 20: in the middle of the night, would you honestly even know?

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Speaker 1: I mean the thing is.

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Speaker 3: The thing is it only needed to turn you know

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00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 3: a little bit, yeah, a.

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Speaker 20: Little bit to end up in the side of the

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Speaker 20: hillo it's not very good autopilot, I think and D

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Speaker 20: autopilot was to blame. But we don't know that autopilot

1191
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Speaker 20: was necessarily to blame just yet.

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Speaker 12: It was.

1193
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Speaker 3: We know it was on, we know it was one.

1194
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 3: We don't know if it was necessarily to blame. Jordan,

1195
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Speaker 3: I'm getting suspicious about it. I'm getting transpower suspicious about this.

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00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 3: Are you getting like like pylon suspicious about it?

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Speaker 21: I think you would program autopilot, you know, stay in

1198
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Speaker 21: the ocean if you if you're programming in the look

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Speaker 21: at New Zealand's Is it a troll? I don't know

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Speaker 21: if it's a troll.

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Speaker 6: It's such a good one.

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Speaker 12: You know.

1203
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Speaker 21: It's recous week. New Zealand First staff as we're sitting around,

1204
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 21: what could we how do we inject ourselves into media?

1205
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 21: I've got an idea her kids. I'm sure it's a

1206
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 21: great yarn. On the other hand, though, New Zealand First,

1207
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 21: I'm thinking about over the ten years of Taxpayers Union,

1208
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 21: we've often sparred along Keebi rail issues and We've always

1209
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 21: really resented that New Zealand first, somehow they must be

1210
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 21: close to the Maritime Union or something. Ways can be

1211
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 21: inside juice on matters to do with inter islander, and

1212
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 21: it really bugs us. So I looked at the side,

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00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 21: don't actually rule them out? They yeah, I don't know,

1214
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Speaker 21: time will.

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Speaker 3: Tell, Yeah totally. Hey what do you Jack make of

1216
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 3: the Otago University free free speech policy?

1217
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Speaker 20: Ah, it's pretty good in the free speech debate, if

1218
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Speaker 20: we can even call it that. I am not all

1219
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 20: the way an absolutist, but pretty close to absolutist, and

1220
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Speaker 20: I think that the pendulum has swung far too much

1221
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 20: in the other direction over the last couple of years.

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Speaker 20: It's interesting to go through the statement that the university's

1223
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 20: provided a right because it also includes these lines, the

1224
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Speaker 20: university accepts no duty to provide a space for those

1225
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Speaker 20: who are not members of its community to advance their

1226
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 20: ideas or theories in ways which fundamentally undermine the university's

1227
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 20: character as an institute of higher learning. Basically, that means

1228
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Speaker 20: the UNI can say no to controversial people from the outside. Yes,

1229
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Speaker 20: they're not duty bound to give those people a platform.

1230
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Speaker 20: And you can imagine that for like elements like that.

1231
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Speaker 20: There could be a little bit of tension in the

1232
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Speaker 20: future if it a really controversial figure comes along and

1233
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Speaker 20: is invited by you know, a student union group for example,

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00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 20: or a student group of some description, and then other

1235
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 20: people at the university or the university itself says, oh,

1236
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 20: we oppose this person's ideology. You can imagine there being

1237
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 20: some tension, but largely yeah, I think it's great.

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Speaker 3: I think in terms of like I mean, so Jordan,

1239
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 3: where I land on this is that it's not a

1240
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 3: university's place necessary to provide a venue for other people,

1241
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 3: but for the people who belong to the university, like

1242
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 3: the staff and the students, they should be entitled to

1243
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 3: say what they want to say within reasonable parameters. And

1244
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Speaker 3: this gives them that freedom, doesn't it.

1245
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Speaker 21: Ye Well, as Jack has pointed out, the pendulum has

1246
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 21: moved totally. The fact that we have to even say,

1247
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Speaker 21: you know, well done Otaga University. So pointing out that

1248
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 21: the university is dark place to have tough discussions, and

1249
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 21: you know, if you're offended, you know, boo her, it's

1250
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 21: not our job to I'm coincidentally over in Sydney with

1251
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Speaker 21: the Free Speech Union as we're launching there what it

1252
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 21: launched yesterday, the International Associateation of Free Speech Unions as

1253
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 21: a whole lot of free speech advocates from around the world.

1254
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 21: And we're sitting next to Jonathan Ailing when he got

1255
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 21: this news and he looking at his face, he couldn't

1256
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 21: quite believe it how good it was, because of course

1257
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 21: it was only a few weeks ago. Heither we were

1258
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 21: talking about my former university that I'm utterly ashamed of

1259
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 21: and its treatment. Particular issue no A Victoria University and

1260
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 21: the fact that they called that someone that was from

1261
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 21: New Zealand's premier business think tank, the Initiative, the New

1262
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 21: Zealand Initiative, as far right and neo liberal, therefore dangerous

1263
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 21: and I mean we've got a absolutely the comments they

1264
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 21: made about very mainstream people is just absolutely disgusting. And

1265
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 21: Victoria University just allowed it to happen. They didn't fight

1266
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 21: for free speech. And what's worse, despite being fully taxpay funded,

1267
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 21: they won't even front up and answer basic questions about it.

1268
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 21: So good on Otagi University. We've been on the back

1269
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 21: foot and on the free speech file in New Zealand universities.

1270
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 21: It's about time we had a win and this is

1271
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 21: a damn good one. And Victoria University you ought to

1272
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 21: be ashamed.

1273
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Speaker 6: This is the model.

1274
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 3: And as former alumni of Aukland University, I think they

1275
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 3: ought to be ashamed too and send all of our

1276
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 3: children to Otago with this. Right, Okay, we can take

1277
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 3: a break with you to come back and just to

1278
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 3: take us fourteen to two.

1279
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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, unparalleled reach

1280
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 2: and results.

1281
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 3: Right, you're back with the huddle, Jack, Dame Jordan Williams Jordan,

1282
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 3: how ridiculous is the situation with Country Kindy where they

1283
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 3: shut a candy down because the kids have got to

1284
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 3: ask who go to the toilet?

1285
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 21: I was just waiting for David when he was our

1286
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 21: position to come out with the outrage.

1287
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 6: He would clearly.

1288
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 21: Wanted to absolutely slam it. And he's right, he's so refreshing.

1289
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 21: Of course, we should be able to have our politicians

1290
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 21: talk about these nuts decisions and the way that the

1291
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,959
Speaker 21: last government set it up so they could hide behind

1292
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 21: their officials and they did stupid, stupid things.

1293
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Speaker 1: You know it was.

1294
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Speaker 21: It's Dan ro He should have changed that bill yesterday.

1295
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 21: I have I've got two kids in preschool, and I

1296
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Speaker 21: don't want to go into detail because it'll i'll no

1297
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 21: doubt be canceled. But some of the bonkers stuff that

1298
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Speaker 21: our childcare center is required to force down our kids

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Speaker 21: throat is just nuts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm almost tempted to ask you to explain more,

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Speaker 3: but I will leave it there. Okay, you can tell

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Speaker 3: me off there, and then tomorrow I can say somebody

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Speaker 3: who I will not name, was telling me the story.

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Speaker 4: Jack.

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Speaker 3: I mean, surely, if you have the choice of like,

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Speaker 3: shut the place down because it hasn't done the paperwork

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Speaker 3: on its philosophy statement and you know, Lord above it

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Speaker 3: asked the kids to ask to go to the toilet

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Speaker 3: or keep the thing going, the right thing is just

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Speaker 3: keep the thing going.

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Speaker 20: Okay, I agree with that. I think just to take

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Speaker 20: an incredibly dry position on this. If there is a

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Speaker 20: regulatory review planned for the sector, and the problem with this,

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Speaker 20: Candy is regulatory I kids aren't in danger. Kids are

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Speaker 20: perfectly fine and no danger at the moment we're going

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Speaker 20: to be reviewing the sector's regulations. Surely the sensible thing

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Speaker 20: to do is to wait until that regulatory review has

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Speaker 20: been completed before then making decisions right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of decisions.

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Speaker 20: Well, I mean, if you know, if this candy is

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Speaker 20: breaching regulations that might not exist in a few months time,

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Speaker 20: for example, then that seems.

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Speaker 3: To me, you see what you're saying, like the Ministry

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Speaker 3: of Education should not be shutting down kindy's right.

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Speaker 20: Now as the whole thing with the Ministry of Regulation. Right,

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Speaker 20: So David Cemo was saying in that interview before you know,

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Speaker 20: he wants to consider some of the regulation around this.

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Speaker 20: If he's going to be considering the regulation around this,

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Speaker 20: and potentially that regulation is the very regulation they're using

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Speaker 20: to shut this place down, then maybe we should just

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Speaker 20: wait a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree totally. I mean, this to me, Jordan

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Speaker 3: is a case of what has gone wrong with the

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Speaker 3: Ministry of Education.

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Speaker 22: Right.

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Speaker 3: If you're wondering why they cannot get kids to learn properly,

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Speaker 3: it's because they fussing over stupid stuff like this, yep.

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Speaker 21: And we wonder why our education standards are such further

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Speaker 21: and further behind. You know, what measures gets done. And

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Speaker 21: the trouble is is that, I mean, and it's not

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Speaker 21: just education here to namely one government agency right now

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Speaker 21: in Wellington it is pursuing excellence in its core job.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, but not the Reserve Bank.

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Speaker 21: About educating kids. It's all it's all on me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, Hey, listen, I've got something for both of

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01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 3: you that I haven't warned you about. So this is

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01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 3: going to get your real I'm going to get your real,

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Speaker 3: honest take on this, Jack. How long before Darlene ton

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Speaker 3: of quits?

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Speaker 9: I reckon?

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Speaker 20: Eight days? I reckon, I reckon honestly, the two and

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Speaker 20: a half years sitting there all by yourself, everyone hating

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01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 20: on you. It's like you might want to do it

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01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 20: out of spite, but spite only fuels you for so long.

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Speaker 21: Jordan, what do you think, pretty, I'm pretty worried about her.

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Speaker 4: I mean we were we caught a few days ago

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Speaker 4: for proof of life.

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Speaker 21: Because you know, no one had seen it her in Hanton.

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Speaker 3: Pizza arrived at her house when a journalist was there.

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Speaker 21: But she's still not fronting, is she? I call me

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Speaker 21: old fashioned, but I think if you're paying an MP

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Speaker 21: one hundred and eighty, you know, they ought to sort

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Speaker 21: of talk to the public. I reckon that she will resign,

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Speaker 21: you know, once she sort of has to talk to

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Speaker 21: the public.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, because it's just unc okay.

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Speaker 3: I think she's going to resign the day before she

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Speaker 3: has to be back so she can maximize, which is

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Speaker 3: the end of recesses. She can maximize the amount of

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Speaker 3: money she's doing.

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Speaker 1: That's what.

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Speaker 20: When you throw a surprise curve ball at us, we

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01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 20: don't consider it properly.

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Speaker 21: Thank you, guys are standing for the Greens next head?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? Why not milk the system? Guys, good to talk

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Speaker 3: to you. Thank you very much. Jack Dame, host of

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Speaker 3: Q and A Saturday Morning. Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union,

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Speaker 3: Seven away from six on.

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Speaker 2: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your

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Speaker 2: car on your drive home. Heather Duplicy allan Drive with

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Speaker 2: one New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business News Talk.

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Speaker 3: Hither this happened to our preschool last year. They didn't

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Speaker 3: have enough bark beneath the slide. Oh my gosh, I mean, anyway,

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Speaker 3: I suppose you need the bark, but like some bark

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Speaker 3: has been the no bark right. I would have given

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Speaker 3: them a concession. Anyway. They didn't have enough bark beneath

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Speaker 3: the slides, so they were closed for two weeks and

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Speaker 3: now this week we've been told that they're closing permanently

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Speaker 3: and we all have to scramble to find a new

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Speaker 3: preschool in Wellington City. Good luck, because that's going to

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Speaker 3: be a tough ask. Hither I'm absolutely gobsmacked. I'm a

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Speaker 3: secondary school teacher at quite a progressive school and even

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Speaker 3: our kids have to ask to go to the toilet.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you should play the clown music when you're talking

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Speaker 3: about the Ministry of Education, Joe, I still I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: save it. Look, the Ministry, here's the thing, Okay, the

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Speaker 3: clown music has to get rolled out when you do

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Speaker 3: something that is like inexplicably stupid, do you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean, like taking all the nuts out. I feel

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Speaker 3: like the Ministry of Education it has there is a

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Speaker 3: higher level, a higher threshold with the Ministry of Education,

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Speaker 3: because a lot of what they do is already like

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Speaker 3: quite stupid. It's really stupid stuff they're doing. So they

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01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 3: have to do something that's a real clanger, like really

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Speaker 3: inexplicably stupid, and then we'll roll out the clown music.

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Speaker 3: And you know that when we roll out the cloud music,

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Speaker 3: it's a doozy from the Ministry of Education, at which

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Speaker 3: point people are probably losing their speaking of which, it's

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Speaker 3: very hard to have confidence in Fletcher at the moment

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Speaker 3: a Fletcher building because Mark Ken's, who's the former head

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Speaker 3: of the Port of Todunger and a chairperson of Freightways,

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Speaker 3: has gone public today with the fact that he's withdrawn

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Speaker 3: his candidacy for chair of the board. He says he

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Speaker 3: hasn't heard from the company for three months, which is

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Speaker 3: farcical and frankly for a man with that much experience

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Speaker 3: and that much money. That's also just rude. They need

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Speaker 3: I would think that they would need to be moving

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Speaker 3: with some haste because they've got some real key vacancies

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Speaker 3: at the moment. The chair's gone. Bruce Hassel's quit, Chief

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Speaker 3: Executiveross Taylor quit, two other directors retired early. The company

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01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 3: is having a rough time. Half one hundred and twenty

1423
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 3: million dollar a half a year lost. Look at the

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Speaker 3: share price. One possible explanation for what's going on and

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Speaker 3: why he wasn't contacted is that maybe there is some

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Speaker 3: offshore appointment. Maybe there's a power battle going on amongst

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01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 3: the bigger investors about who should get the chair. But

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Speaker 3: as Sam Stubb said on LinkedIn, this should be an

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01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 3: alarm bell, because someone with Mark Kens's pedigree and stature

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Speaker 3: doesn't say things like this unless there are something seriously wrong.

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Speaker 3: NEWSTALK'SBS what's down on?

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Speaker 2: What were the major calls and how will it affect

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Speaker 2: the economy of the big business? Questions on the Business

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Speaker 2: Hour with Hinther, Duplessy Allen and my Hr on News

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Speaker 2: Talks FB.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Good evening. Coming up for the next hour. Janetib

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Speaker 3: Trainey with her take on whether the first OCR cut

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Speaker 3: comes in November. Milford Asset Management with market reaction to

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01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 3: the OCR announcement today, and we're going to speak to

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Speaker 3: the guy who helped write Otago University's free speech policy

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Speaker 3: right now. It's eight past six now. Fisheries Minister Shane

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01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 3: Jones says we're at peak cow. He says dairy is

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01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 3: capped out, and he says it's time to start investing

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Speaker 3: in aquaculture. He said, we're not allowed to grow any

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Speaker 3: more dairy farms due to negative water outcomes. Wool's not

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01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,959
Speaker 3: making much money and the meat sector is facing calls

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01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 3: to decrease its footprint and instead, he says the aquaculture

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Speaker 3: sector is now one of New Zealand's most promising industries now.

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Speaker 3: Mark Hooper is a national board member of Federated Farmers

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Speaker 3: and with us now hoy Mark.

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Speaker 17: Good evening, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Do you agree with Shane Jones?

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Speaker 17: Well, I agree with them in the sense that there's

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Speaker 17: a huge amount of potential and aquaculture and so we

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01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 17: shouldn't definitely shouldn't put that aside. I guess though, the

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Speaker 17: terminology that you used there around being at peak care,

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Speaker 17: that's certainly a rhetoric that's been going around for a while.

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Speaker 17: And you know, the industry has been really focused on

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Speaker 17: milking the best cows, not necessarily more cows, and as

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Speaker 17: such has been able to sustain or even grow production

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Speaker 17: slightly over the last few years. But you know, overall,

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Speaker 17: it's not really a good thing that we want our

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Speaker 17: major productive sectors to be stagnant. We really want to

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Speaker 17: get back into a position where we can see some

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Speaker 17: positive growth happening across all of the primary sub sectors.

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Speaker 17: They're critical for our economy and you know, this huge opportunity.

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Speaker 3: I think the argument, though, is that you don't grow

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Speaker 3: the number of cows, you grow how efficient those cows are.

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Speaker 3: Is that what you're hoping for? Do you still see

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Speaker 3: space for us to actually have more cows.

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Speaker 17: Well, certainly there's a good trend towards having quality cows

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Speaker 17: and that does make a difference. That is what gives

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Speaker 17: us a whole lot of efficiencies on farm and improves performance.

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Speaker 17: But one of the things to understand that in a

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Speaker 17: sense the Minister was right in that over the last

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Speaker 17: five years, four years since twenty twenty anyway, when the

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Speaker 17: Essential fresh Water Package came and one of the National

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Speaker 17: Environment standards was effectively a moratorium on land use changed

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Speaker 17: to a more intensive use over ten hectares, and so

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Speaker 17: in effect that had the biggest impact on dairy farming.

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Speaker 17: Now that National Environment standard is due to expire at

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Speaker 17: the end of twenty twenty four, so that perhaps creates

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Speaker 17: an opportunity where we can see some potential land use change.

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Speaker 17: And I think the key thing here is that what

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Speaker 17: we really want to see is we don't want to

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Speaker 17: see regulations like that that distort the marketplace. We should

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Speaker 17: be looking for what is the highest and best use

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Speaker 17: outcome of the land that's available. Some of that will

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Speaker 17: transition to horticulture. Is opportunity for more land to transition

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Speaker 17: back to daring or into daring it's just a case

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Speaker 17: of managing what the environmental impacts around that are.

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Speaker 3: Mark. I saw you saying somewhere that you see a

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Speaker 3: huge opportunity for expansion offshore. What do you mean by that.

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Speaker 17: Offshore? I think that was probably in reference to aquaculture,

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Speaker 17: and so obviously there is huge opportunities.

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Speaker 3: I think you like, set up a farm in Brazil.

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Speaker 6: No, well, there is you know, scope to that.

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Speaker 17: But of course it's growth here in New Zealand that

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Speaker 17: drives our economy. You know, we need growth here in

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Speaker 17: order to build our roads, build our skills, schools, hospitals,

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Speaker 17: provide employment and that sort of thing. So I think

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Speaker 17: that's where the key focus should be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant. Hey, Mark, thank you very much. Thanks for clarifying.

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Speaker 3: That's Mark Cooper, National Board membad for font er at

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Speaker 3: try the English Federated Farmers. Heather, it's nice that we're

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01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 3: not forgotten one of the listeners seven. Well, let me

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01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 3: tell you it's nice to have one of the listeners

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Speaker 3: seven listening.

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Speaker 9: To the show.

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Speaker 3: I'm very honored because you're very intelligent. So I'm wondering

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Speaker 3: what the hell you're doing with your brain anyway, In

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01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 3: a twist, I think this is a twist. Some retail

1513
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 3: shareholders in Sinlay are considering taking liquidation over the loan tomorrow.

1514
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 3: So I've told you about this. It's d day tomorrow.

1515
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 3: They're going to vote tomorrow at two o'clock on whether

1516
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 3: they take the one hundred and thirty million dollar loan

1517
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 3: from Bright Dairy, which is a minority shareholder in Sinlay,

1518
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 3: is also a Chinese company, and then they would need

1519
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 3: that money in order to be able to Sinlay. They

1520
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 3: would need that money in order to be able to

1521
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 3: pay the banker's bills next Wednesday, or if they don't

1522
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 3: take that loan, liquidation for them. The reason why they're

1523
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 3: not keen on the loan apparently is because if a

1524
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 3: loan is raised, it only gets them that far and

1525
01:10:58,240 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 3: then the next step to save the business as a

1526
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 3: capital rays and Bright dairy thirty nine percent stake already

1527
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 3: then probably increases its shareholding, which would mean existing retail

1528
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 3: shareholders positions are obviously diluted, and apparently quite a few

1529
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 3: of them are worried about that. Some retail investors are

1530
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 3: commenting online that the planned capital rais would consolidate their losses,

1531
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 3: and boy have they suffered losses. In the share price,

1532
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 3: by the way, and they would get more from a

1533
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 3: liquidation and selling off assets than an increased Bright Bright

1534
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 3: Dairy shareholding. So watch tomorrow at two o'clock. It's going

1535
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 3: to get really interesting six thirteen.

1536
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dupic

1537
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 2: Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR, the

1538
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,480
Speaker 2: HR platform for SME on newstalksb.

1539
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 3: Just reminder Caitlin Parker of Milford Asset Management's going to

1540
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 3: be with us shortly enough to talk us through the

1541
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 3: market reaction to what the Reserve Bank had to say today.

1542
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 3: But right now at sixteen past six and while as

1543
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 3: we've discussed, the Reserve Bank isn't saying very much and

1544
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 3: when we're finally going to see the interest rates fall,

1545
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 3: but mortgage holder are betting they're going to fall this year.

1546
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,600
Speaker 3: Jane Tibshrady is The Herald's Wellington Business editor and with

1547
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 3: us HEGANA Hey, Heather, so what are you seeing that

1548
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 3: indicates their betting on this year?

1549
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,679
Speaker 23: So the Reserve Bank releases quite a bit of interesting data.

1550
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 23: One of the data sets it released recently shows that

1551
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 23: about seventeen percent of the new mortgages that banks wrote

1552
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 23: in May went to people who fixed for six months,

1553
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 23: so that was quite an increase from what we've seen previously.

1554
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 23: So basically, proportionally proportionately, a lot more of the new

1555
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 23: mortgage lending was going to people fixing for relatively short periods,

1556
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 23: so that seventeen percent for owner occupiers. For investors it

1557
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 23: was even higher at twenty two percent, quite a big

1558
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 23: jump from where it had been. Now, I should say

1559
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 23: that fixing for a year is still by far the

1560
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 23: most popular option, and it has been for some time.

1561
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 23: But I think it is interesting that in May, you know,

1562
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 23: fairly significant number of people thought to fix for six months,

1563
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,719
Speaker 23: and that was despite the Reserve Bank at that time

1564
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,719
Speaker 23: suggesting that it would only cut the OCR in around

1565
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 23: August next year.

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01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 3: Now, Jenay, I probably have not actually underscored this enough

1567
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 3: on the show this evening, but what has just happened

1568
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 3: from the Reserve Bank is a massive change in tone. Right.

1569
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 3: They have gone from being like really hawkish to really

1570
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 3: dubvish in the space of two announcements, haven't they.

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01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 23: Yeah, Look, I thought it was a significant pivot from

1572
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 23: as you say, surprisingly hawkish to surprisingly dubvish in quite

1573
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:42,719
Speaker 23: a short space of time. Interestingly, without any new inflation

1574
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 23: figures in that period that the Reserve Bank has changed

1575
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 23: its view. So the Reserve Bank currently only has inflation

1576
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 23: figures for the March quarter as it did back in May.

1577
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 23: I thought that the change was notable, it was a pivot.

1578
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 23: Sharon Zohner from A and Z, who I took to,

1579
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 23: obviously thought, yeah, it's a change of tone, but it's

1580
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:08,759
Speaker 23: not too drastic. Look, I think the new inflation figures

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01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 23: for this joone quarter, which are out next week, will

1582
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 23: be the ones to watch. Yeah, right, like if that, yeah,

1583
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 23: if they if they come in showing that inflation is

1584
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 23: actually falling quite a bit, you know, I think we

1585
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 23: could see rate cuts soon. I think the Reserve Bank

1586
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,719
Speaker 23: previously suggesting that the first cut would be in August

1587
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 23: next year, is now, you know, totally an outdated view.

1588
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 3: Is it possible that somebody like Sharon Zohlner says it's

1589
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 3: not a massive pivot because nobody believed them when they

1590
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 3: were being that hawkish anyway.

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01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 23: Yeah, look, that is interesting. Markets in particular, it didn't

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01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 23: believe the Reserve Bank at all. Economists were a little

1593
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 23: bit more balanced, and you know, now today's statement really

1594
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 23: has given markets the evidence they were looking for to

1595
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 23: price in rate cuts soon. My understanding is that that

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01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 23: the pricing is such that markets, you know, there is

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01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 23: a chance that you know, some people think there's a

1598
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 23: chance that the first cut could even come in August,

1599
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 23: but most economists are now still picking November. I think

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01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 23: if you take a step back, this is all pretty

1601
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 23: confusing for your average person trying to figure out how

1602
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 23: to fix their mortgage or what to do with their

1603
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,679
Speaker 23: term deposits. Because we've had, you know, quite a few

1604
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 23: different views come out within the past few weeks. But

1605
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 23: what I would say is interest rate cuts now seem

1606
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 23: like they could happen sooner than we thought two months ago,

1607
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 23: and the chance of a hike is probably now no

1608
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:39,679
Speaker 23: longer there.

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01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, Jena, thank you very much. Really appreciate you

1610
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 3: talking us through that genative training. Harold's Wellington Business Editor. Apparently,

1611
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 3: if you want an ADHD diagnosis in at the moment,

1612
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 3: you are going to have to wait a very very

1613
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 3: long time, like potentially up to a year. The Herald's

1614
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 3: done a survey of twenty specialists around the country. Around

1615
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 3: half of them are not taking any new patient because

1616
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 3: their books are already full. Of the remaining half who

1617
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 3: are taking new patients, the earliest available appointment was six

1618
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 3: weeks away, and that was an outlier. The actual typical

1619
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 3: wait is about six months to a year. One poor

1620
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 3: receptionist that the Herald called had no free appointments until

1621
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 3: August next year. August next year, that is more than

1622
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 3: a year away, and she was obviously exasperated because she

1623
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 3: just had another request for an assessment two minutes earlier

1624
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 3: before the Herald called. So by the time the Herald call,

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01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 3: she was at a wits end. Basically, what's going on

1626
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 3: here is that I have changed my attitude towards ADHD.

1627
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 3: Right there was It wasn't long ago where I was like, oh,

1628
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 3: you're thinking you've got ADHD. No you don't, No, you don't,

1629
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 3: but actually maybe you do. Because what's going on is

1630
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 3: its adult assessment for ADHD, typically from women. It started

1631
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 3: about three years ago because it basically people became more

1632
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 3: aware of ADHD, started wondering if that's what was going on.

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01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 3: And normally, of course, nowadays you'd pick up the kids

1634
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 3: like at school, you'd pick up if they have ADHD.

1635
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 3: But that wasn't the case when you were going to

1636
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 3: school in the eighties and nineties, nobody was picking up

1637
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. So you've lived your whole life

1638
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 3: with it, and now you're going to get the diagnosis.

1639
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 3: So that explains what's going on here. So it's a

1640
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:23,520
Speaker 3: whole generation of people who are well informed, probably tertiary educated,

1641
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 3: probably time on their hands trying to figure out what

1642
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 3: the hell's wrong with them, and then they go, maybe

1643
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 3: it's ADHD, So they're going to go get a diagnosis.

1644
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 3: All power to you, six twenty one.

1645
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1646
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Heather Duplic Ellen and my HR,

1647
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 2: the HR platform for sme us talk, sa'd be whither.

1648
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 3: I don't have the attention span to wait a year

1649
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 3: for an ADHD diagnosis. No one does. No one does. Hey, listen,

1650
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 3: I've got to get you across this. Three News is

1651
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 3: reporting that they've got a safety bulletin that details what

1652
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 3: happened with the Artitella just before the thing ran aground.

1653
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 3: Get a load of this, okay, autopilot was on, Oh yeah,

1654
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 3: it was at nine twenty six. This is at night.

1655
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 3: The execute button was accidentally pressed and caused the ship

1656
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 3: to sail off course. This is execute their autopilot. The

1657
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 3: crew then try to regain control for about a minute

1658
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 3: before steps were implemented to try to slow down the ship,

1659
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 3: but by then it was too late. A key part

1660
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 3: of the investigation will be into whether the bridge crew

1661
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 3: knew how to turn off the autopilot, and the memo

1662
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:28,560
Speaker 3: claims that nobody knew that to overrule the autopilot you

1663
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 3: had to hold on the button for five seconds. I

1664
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 3: think this explains why the crew has a lawyer, you

1665
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Six point twenty five. Now, let's

1666
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 3: go to Caplin Parker of Milford Asset Management. Hey, Caitlin,

1667
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 3: Hey here we am okay, I'm very well. Thank you know,

1668
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 3: we've got almost three years of high interest rates. Are

1669
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 3: we starting to see an acknowledgment? Do you think from

1670
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank of the damage that this is causing

1671
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 3: the economy?

1672
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 24: Yeah, look, preasingly we are so for the first time

1673
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 24: this cycle. Today the ROBNSAD they signal their intend to

1674
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 24: create in the statement, and that was definitely a pleasant

1675
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 24: surprise for the market because going in, you know, most

1676
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 24: of us we did expect that the statement was going

1677
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 24: to be pretty neutral and that the orban said we're

1678
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 24: going to actually say very little. And the market had

1679
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 24: been expecting the Urban ved to specquitting right later this year,

1680
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 24: but no one is really expecting them to admit to

1681
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 24: this today as such, and they will and truly did

1682
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:24,640
Speaker 24: let the cat out of the bag that they are

1683
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 24: thinking about interest rate cuts. So this was a definite shift.

1684
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 24: And some of the key points I suppose for me

1685
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 24: was really the confidence that the Orban said. Have I

1686
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 24: mentioned it, I think twice in the statement, but they

1687
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 24: are confident that inflation will go back to their one

1688
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 24: to three percent target in the next six months. And

1689
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 24: also the Urban said they did discuss that this height

1690
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 24: monetary policy, these high interest rates that they're feeding through

1691
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 24: to domestic demand more strongly than they expected, but very positively.

1692
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 24: There was no mention of any or any talk of

1693
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,679
Speaker 24: an whether out or hike in the statement today versus

1694
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 24: earlier in the year when they tried to elude and

1695
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 24: come into the market that potentially they would hike again

1696
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:04,799
Speaker 24: if inflation remains for abust.

1697
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so what was the market reaction to the

1698
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 3: Reserve Bank today?

1699
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 24: Look, so market was expecting them to start cutting later

1700
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 24: this year, and now they're expecting a larger quantum of

1701
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 24: cuts and at a faster pay, So now putting about

1702
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 24: a sixty percent probability that the orbanst will start cutting

1703
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 24: in August versus later in the year. So we thought

1704
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 24: interest rates putting lower immediately on the back of that

1705
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 24: statement been released. So the two year interest rate, which

1706
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 24: is an input into mortgage rates, that was down abouzero

1707
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 24: point two percent. Currency was also weaker, and share market

1708
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:40,600
Speaker 24: rallied on the back of it a bit. So it

1709
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 24: was received very well by the market, and I would

1710
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 24: imagine that these moves will be somewhat extent that the

1711
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 24: offshore markets come in and get involved overnight. So the

1712
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 24: orbian dead they would have been well aware of what

1713
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 24: this statement would have done and the market reaction that

1714
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 24: would have been received, and the markets starting to price

1715
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 24: the work. But so it won't be surprised the orbian

1716
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 24: zet how I've reacted.

1717
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 3: Caitlyn, always good to talk to you. Thank you so

1718
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 3: much for expertise. It's Kaitlyn Parker of Milfit Asset Management.

1719
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 3: I got this text from Andrew at twenty seven past five,

1720
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 3: so about an hour ago, but bang on an hour

1721
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 3: ago here the last week I was on a water

1722
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 3: taxi and picked in and the skipper told me he

1723
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 3: was farying engineers back and forth to the ferry while

1724
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 3: it was on the beach, and they told him there

1725
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,640
Speaker 3: was absolutely nothing wrong with the steering and it was

1726
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 3: one hundred percent human error. And Andrew who text us

1727
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 3: that an hour ago, bang on? By the looks of things,

1728
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 3: how can you not know that this is transparent all

1729
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 3: over again? How do you not know? Just press the

1730
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:35,839
Speaker 3: button for five seconds, mate? That's pretty much a restart,

1731
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 3: isn't it. Headlines next.

1732
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplice

1733
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 2: Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR, the

1734
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 2: HR platform for sm on us talks edb well.

1735
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 18: Gathered cold us.

1736
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 3: Do you think there was clown music on the ferry

1737
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 3: bridge when they were panicking with the autopilot button, Steve Quiet?

1738
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 3: I think there might have been the soundtrack of clown

1739
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 3: music going on there. So winnip and New Zealand first

1740
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 3: proved correct on two things now, first claim autopilot was

1741
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 3: on bing correct. Second claim they couldn't get autopilot off

1742
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 3: in time ding correct. Third claim somebody was off having

1743
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 3: a coffee. Now I'm starting to wander, is it possible, Like,

1744
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 3: it's very hard to believe that there was absolutely nobody

1745
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 3: on that ship who knew that you had to hold

1746
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 3: down the button for five seconds to make it go off.

1747
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? In which case, is

1748
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 3: it possible that the person who knew about that button

1749
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 3: and that you had to hold it for five seconds

1750
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 3: was off, having a weibi or doing something so like

1751
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 3: partially right on claim three, I stand I stand by

1752
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 3: to find out where that person was on the ship,

1753
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 3: because they obviously weren't on the bridge trying to get

1754
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 3: the button to go down for five seconds. Update on

1755
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 3: Darlene Tana, she has broken her silence. She's spoken to

1756
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 3: the Herald. She reckons that the leak of the report

1757
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 3: that we had last night and which was also then

1758
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 3: leaked to arn Z this morning, as designed to pressure her.

1759
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 3: She says the leaks were intended to pressure her, but

1760
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 3: she didn't speculate on who was behind them. Quote the

1761
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,679
Speaker 3: leak of the investigation report or part of it, appears

1762
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 3: to be another attempt to pressure me. She's also confirmed

1763
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 3: she won't be pursuing a further inquiry. She says there's

1764
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 3: no point in inquiring into whether the inquiry made the

1765
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 3: right cause, because that's just going to waste money. She

1766
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 3: didn't want to have anything to say, like I had

1767
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 3: nothing to say about what Rachel Bert in the report

1768
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 3: had found about her husband. Her INSIGHT's not mine, Nor

1769
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:39,719
Speaker 3: can I speak for my husband. He's his own person

1770
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:41,640
Speaker 3: and how he engaged in the process was entirely up

1771
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 3: to him. That speaks to the heart of this investigation.

1772
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 3: He makes his own decisions about his business. He doesn't

1773
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 3: have any obligation to close that disclosed that information to me.

1774
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 3: And then she was asked whether she would remain in

1775
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 3: Parliament as an independent MP. She wouldn't say that. She

1776
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 3: wouldn't say either way. She just said that she was

1777
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 3: taking time to consider the report. She said, I gave

1778
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 3: the Green Part my utmost patience throughout the investigative process.

1779
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 3: I am disappointed they are not extending the same patients

1780
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,560
Speaker 3: with me, which actually is a fair call, isn't it.

1781
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 3: Because she has been made to go home and take

1782
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 3: some sicky leave, which in a wedd all love for

1783
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 3: four months, and in that time she waited for them

1784
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 3: to do their thing. But then what they get the

1785
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:20,640
Speaker 3: report on Friday and they're like quit by Monday. I

1786
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 3: mean maybe they can make just give her a couple

1787
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:24,759
Speaker 3: of days to think about it. Twenty two away from.

1788
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 1: Seven together for see Alan.

1789
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 3: As we've discussed. Otago University has released its freedom of

1790
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 3: speech policy and it's been called gold standard. The university

1791
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 3: has promised not to restrict debate or deliberation even when

1792
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 3: it comes to ideas that could be seen as offensive

1793
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 3: or immoral. Emeritus Professor James McLaurin led the working group

1794
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 3: that put the statement together, and James is with us James, Hi, Heather,

1795
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 3: this is surprisingly good From somebody sitting on the outside

1796
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 3: who cares about free speech. I'm looking at this saying

1797
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 3: this is surprisingly good. Was it a battle to get

1798
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 3: it to this point?

1799
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,879
Speaker 4: As a long process, We've been working on this since January.

1800
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 4: We put out a call that anybody in the university,

1801
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 4: in all our campuses around the country could come and

1802
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 4: talk to us in confidence, and so we've had a

1803
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 4: huge number of discussions. The university is keen on doing this.

1804
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 4: A lot of the universities have a free speech statement.

1805
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 6: We didn't have one.

1806
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 4: We think it's essential the university has got to have one.

1807
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 4: So it's been exciting doing it. It's good that it's done.

1808
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 3: Did you have much internal opposition to this?

1809
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:29,599
Speaker 1: Oh?

1810
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 4: We gave people a few questions that you know, we

1811
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 4: thought they might come along having thought about. And one is,

1812
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 4: you know, why does free speech matter? And how much

1813
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 4: should a universe care about free speech? And pretty much

1814
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 4: everybody who either came and talked to us or wrote

1815
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 4: us something came with views about the importance of free speech.

1816
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 4: Everybody thinks that it's important. Not everybody thinks of it

1817
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:54,639
Speaker 4: in quite the same way.

1818
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 3: Do you think, though? I mean, is it one of

1819
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 3: those things where when you when you talk about free speech,

1820
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 3: the proponents of free speech will argue for it, But

1821
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:06,680
Speaker 3: when a problematic speaker pipes up and says something problematic,

1822
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 3: the other guys are suddenly going to find their voice

1823
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 3: and have a problem. Then, like, your battle with this

1824
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:12,719
Speaker 3: policy is down the road yet.

1825
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess in some ways it is. But you're

1826
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 4: going to think. You know, if you think about the

1827
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:21,679
Speaker 4: people that we think about, the famous scientists and scholars,

1828
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 4: you know, Darwin Newton, Copernicus, whoever, all those people, why

1829
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 4: did they all have in common? They all had views

1830
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 4: that all the people around them disagreed with. So they

1831
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 4: all had to fight to get a very different view

1832
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:38,640
Speaker 4: to be you know, taken seriously by people. So you know,

1833
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:41,600
Speaker 4: that's our heritage and we've got to grab onto that.

1834
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 4: If you're if you're all about discovery and a university

1835
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 4: should be, then this is something we've we've got to do.

1836
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 18: We've got to.

1837
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 3: Own James if the listener seven who spoke up about

1838
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 3: their views on the tot ang Amori we're not employed

1839
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 3: by the University of Auckland, but we're employed by the

1840
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 3: University of Otago right now this policy in place, do

1841
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:02,719
Speaker 3: you reckon they would have been treated differently.

1842
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:07,639
Speaker 4: It's hard to know because I'm not in the University

1843
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 4: of Auckland, but I feel like they.

1844
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 3: Would have because the chancellor, the Vice Chancellor, Dawn Freshwater

1845
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 3: obviously went publicans said that what they had said publicly

1846
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:22,719
Speaker 3: had upset people. So presumably under this policy she wouldn't

1847
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 3: have said something like that because you guys accept that

1848
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 3: people will be upset and that's just how life is.

1849
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:30,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, when people came and talk to us, they had

1850
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 4: all sorts of ideas about you know, what the standard

1851
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 4: would be. We shouldn't upset people, we shouldn't defend people,

1852
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 4: we should respect one another. You know, they all sound

1853
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 4: like nice things, but they're all too ambiguous to have

1854
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 4: us a standard. People just disagree about what's offensive, they

1855
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 4: disagree about what it is to be respectful to one another.

1856
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 4: So those things can't be the standard. And I guess

1857
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 4: the other thing that we thought is, you know, New

1858
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 4: Zealand's got plenty of problems to solve out there at

1859
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 4: the moment, and we've got a pretty polarized world, and

1860
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 4: we don't want to limit free speech in the university

1861
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 4: where people are informed and want to have constructive debates

1862
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 4: more than we limited you know, out on the streets

1863
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 4: as it were. So so we take this permissive view

1864
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 4: and this idea that we want to get people with

1865
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 4: very different ideas in the room together.

1866
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 3: Why did you guys make the call that you have

1867
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,839
Speaker 3: You have the ability to say though to outside speakers.

1868
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 4: So we think of this thing called university community that

1869
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 4: has the staff and all our students, and you know,

1870
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 4: everybody who's connected with this with the university, including people

1871
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 4: that we invite to.

1872
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 6: Come and work with us.

1873
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 4: All those people we expect to have read this policy

1874
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 4: and we are going to try and get them and

1875
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:48,680
Speaker 4: boosed about this policy and think that this is this

1876
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 4: is the way for it. People who come from outside

1877
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 4: the university and just say I want to rent a room,

1878
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 4: you know, I want to have some sort of event there.

1879
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:59,879
Speaker 4: They're not in any sense, you know, bound by this policy.

1880
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 4: As you just said before. You know, the future is

1881
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 4: a big place. We don't know what's going to happen.

1882
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 4: It's possible at some point in the future that somebody

1883
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 4: comes along they want to hold an event that we

1884
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 4: just think is way off space. Is not the sort

1885
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 4: of things we want to happen in university. So we

1886
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 4: want to give ourselves a get out clause for that case.

1887
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 4: But that's not the case, you know, that's not for

1888
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 4: our starting students.

1889
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 3: Do you think that you're going to have a whole

1890
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 3: bunch of parents around the country who are going to

1891
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 3: want to send little Johnny and little Jill down to

1892
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 3: Otigo University because of this policy, Because I'll tell you what,

1893
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 3: it will appeal to a lot of people.

1894
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am partner with on this working group because

1895
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 4: for a long time I taught critical thinking, I teach philosophy,

1896
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:47,679
Speaker 4: and parents are very enthused about the idea that their

1897
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 4: kids will get to university and be presented with difficult

1898
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 4: problem and have to cope with, you know, disagreement and

1899
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 4: discovering something they really thought was true turns out, you know,

1900
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 4: probably not. You know, those are the things that we

1901
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:04,600
Speaker 4: want people to get out of university rather than just

1902
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 4: wrote learning a bunch of facts. So I hope that

1903
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 4: people will see this as a positive.

1904
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I think they will. James say, thank you

1905
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:13,879
Speaker 3: very much, really appreciate talking to you. There's James McLaurin

1906
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 3: Otago University emeritus professor who helped them write the freedom

1907
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 3: of speech policy at sixteen away from seven.

1908
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 2: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all

1909
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 2: on the Business Hour with Hither duplic Ellen and my HR,

1910
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 2: the HR platform for SME News talks.

1911
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 3: It b Kevin Gray are UK correspondents with us this evening?

1912
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 3: Hey Kevin, Hi?

1913
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 1: There have so given?

1914
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 3: Why is Kirstarman not saying when the UK defense budget

1915
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 3: will hit two point five percent?

1916
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 25: Yeah, that's what lots of people are asking. So he's

1917
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:46,639
Speaker 25: currently at the NATO summit, NATO members pledging to spend

1918
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 25: at least two percent of their gross domestic product their

1919
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 25: GDP on defense by twenty twenty four and some twenty

1920
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 25: three of the thirty two members in the Alliance are

1921
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 25: projected to meet this target this year. The UK already

1922
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 25: spends a little over that figure on its defense, but

1923
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 25: the Prime Minister, Secure Starmer, is pledging to commit to

1924
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 25: two and a half percent of national income on defense,

1925
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 25: but not putting a timeline on it when that will

1926
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 25: be delivered. And you know, he's saying he's set out

1927
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 25: a roadmap. There are multiple threats, so we have to

1928
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 25: be ready to defend ourselves. There's a route and branch

1929
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 25: review to secure Britain's defenses. But yeah, I mean, he

1930
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:31,799
Speaker 25: says that he wants to get a strategic review done first,

1931
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 25: and frankly many think that could be right kicking into

1932
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 25: the long grass because that could take a long long

1933
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 25: time to come. But he says he needs to review

1934
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 25: all the different security risks that this country's faced before

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Speaker 25: he then commits to this two and a half percent.

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Speaker 25: But it is I think perhaps the first potential little

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Speaker 25: sticking point within his new premiership. And suffice to say,

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Speaker 25: meeting all the world leaders, including Joe Biden his big

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Speaker 25: first international event.

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Speaker 3: Yeah total, Hey, So BYD has decided it's going to

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Speaker 3: start making some cars in Turkey. This is the Chinese

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Speaker 3: electric vehicle maker. Are they doing this to get around

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Speaker 3: the EU sanctions?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, pretty much so I think that's exactly why they're

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Speaker 25: doing it. So a new plant is going to create

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Speaker 25: up to one hundred and fifty thousand vehicles a year,

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Speaker 25: five thousand jobs created by the end of twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 25: in a deal signed at a big event by the

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Speaker 25: President Regip tier Birda one and the chief executive of BYD.

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Speaker 25: But this comes as Chinese electric vehicle makers really under

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Speaker 25: the screw frankly from the European Union in the US

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Speaker 25: with these huge new tariffs that we've talked about for

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Speaker 25: some cars, up to nearly fifty percent tariff. But Turkey

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Speaker 25: is part of the EU's Customs Union, and that means

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Speaker 25: that things made in the country and ex exported to

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Speaker 25: the rest of the bloc can avoid the additional tariff.

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Speaker 25: And so that's why this is particularly attractive for the

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Speaker 25: Chinese car makers. And indeed, of course it's a similar

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Speaker 25: thing in America where Joe Ryden ramping up Carason Chinese

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Speaker 25: made electric vehicles, solar panel steels and other goods where

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Speaker 25: he's really imposed these spaces, including a one hundred percent board,

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Speaker 25: attacks on electric vehicles. And this is all because the

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Speaker 25: EU and the US say that the Chinese government is

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Speaker 25: effectively subsidized in the production of electric cars with state grants,

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Speaker 25: something incidentally both byd and the Chinese government strenuously deny.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, what do you have to do when you're

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Speaker 3: in Denmark in order to be able to get the

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Speaker 3: free food and the free activities?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, I quite like the sound of this. I really

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Speaker 25: can't see it working, however, but that is a cynical

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Speaker 25: brit talking to you here. Ever, this is a trial

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Speaker 25: scheme beginning in just five days time, and that'll see

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Speaker 25: tourist attractions in Copenhagen, the Danish capital, offer rewards to

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Speaker 25: tourists for activities like litter picking, traveling by public transport

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Speaker 25: or biking around the city instead of using a car.

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Speaker 25: And under the initiatives, once it's been proven you've done

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Speaker 25: these things, visitors can claim free lunches, coffees, even glasses

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Speaker 25: of wine. And the kayak rental scheme supposedly open anyway.

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Speaker 25: It's called Cope and Pay. It's designed to offset the

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Speaker 25: environmental burden of tourism, according to the Copenhagen Tourist Board.

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Speaker 25: And they're really saying, you know, these are little steps,

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Speaker 25: but they are important steps towards a green transition. They

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Speaker 25: say it is trust based, meaning attractions are unlikely to

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Speaker 25: ask for proof that the green activity has been completed.

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Speaker 25: So in other words, you could say you've done a

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Speaker 25: bit of litter picking and get your lunch and actually

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Speaker 25: not have done it. I think they are, however, expecting

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Speaker 25: to see your bicycle if you're cycling. But yeah, it

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Speaker 25: sounds a bit loose to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it does. Trust models never work, Gavin, They work

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Speaker 3: in our favor if we just want a free glass

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Speaker 3: of wine, appreciate your time, mate. That is Devin gray

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Speaker 3: aw Uk corresponding Biden, things are getting like marginally worse

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Speaker 3: for him because there is now a seventh Democrat in

1995
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Speaker 3: the House who's called on him not to run for reelection.

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Speaker 3: This is the representative of New Jersey, Mikey. Sheryl Mikey

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Speaker 3: says the stakes are too high, the threat is too

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Speaker 3: real to stay silence. There's a mounting number of people,

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Speaker 3: including donors now representatives and donors who have said, yeah,

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Speaker 3: gotta go, so we'll just see how long he can.

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Speaker 3: It's a bit of a Darling tunn of situation. Ah,

2002
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Speaker 3: how long are you going to hold this line for

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Speaker 3: mate eight away from seven?

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Speaker 2: Whether it's macro MicroB or just playing economics. It's all

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Speaker 2: on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,

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Speaker 2: the HR platform for sme US talksp.

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Speaker 3: I did tell you this about this before. I think

2008
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Speaker 3: this is very cool. Did you realize that the Wimbledon

2009
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Speaker 3: officials asked Lulusun to donate her racket for their museum

2010
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Speaker 3: this morning after she lost in the quarter finals. The museum,

2011
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Speaker 3: the Wimbledon Museum, has some of the most memorable artifacts

2012
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Speaker 3: and memorabilia and stuff since basic the thing started all

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Speaker 3: the way back in eighteen seventy seven. And the reason

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Speaker 3: that they asked her to donate her racket is because

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Speaker 3: she is the first New Zealand woman ever to reach

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Speaker 3: the singles quarter finals and they thought that that was

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Speaker 3: worth marking. And of course she did it. She said

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Speaker 3: it was an honor to do so, because of course

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Speaker 3: it is. But here's my little conspiracy theory on it. Right,

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Speaker 3: they don't care about New Zealand. Who cares about New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: I think they can see a talent in the making.

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Speaker 3: So what they've done, this is my conspiracy theory, I reckon.

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Speaker 3: What they've done is they've gone that lu Lucin, that

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Speaker 3: girl's going to be a big thing. Get her racket.

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Speaker 3: Get her racket, because then we can say, this is

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Speaker 3: the first time that she ever was at Wimbledon, and

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Speaker 3: we've got the racket. And then one day when she's

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Speaker 3: like number one or number two or some you know,

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Speaker 3: some high faluting seeding, they can say we've got the racket,

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Speaker 3: and everybody's going to go look at the rect because

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Speaker 3: nobody's going to go look at the racket. Now, nobody's

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Speaker 3: gonna be like, oh, that's the girl from New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: that first one to get into the quarter finals. No,

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Speaker 3: but when she's really high in the rankings and they're

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Speaker 3: going to go look at the racket, aren't they. That's

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Speaker 3: my conspiracy theory, not a conspiracy theory. Trek five is happening.

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Speaker 3: Shriek five is happening. It's gonna be in a couple

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Speaker 3: of years, twenty twenty six. They've got Mike Meyer's back,

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Speaker 3: They've got Eddie Murphy back, They've got Cameron Diez like

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Speaker 3: everybody's back and get this. When it comes out, it

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Speaker 3: will be twenty five years after the first film came out.

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Speaker 3: That's longevity. And it's why are you playing the clown music?

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Speaker 22: I was gonna say. I thought, since this music has

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Speaker 22: gotten us into such trouble with transfer, I may as

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Speaker 22: well talk a little bit about what it is and

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Speaker 22: where it came from. This is Entry of the Gladiators

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Speaker 22: or Entrance of the Gladiators as composed by Julius Oh

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Speaker 22: my check's really bad, Julius Fucik. I'll say there he

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Speaker 22: was in eighteen ninety seven. He did it as a

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Speaker 22: march for the Austro Hungarian Army because he was the

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Speaker 22: military band master of the army stationed in Sadajevo. And

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Speaker 22: since then, in nineteen oh one, an American publisher, Carl

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Speaker 22: Fisher made a version of it that a lot of

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Speaker 22: circuses decided that they like the sound of and they'd

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Speaker 22: use it and they'd play it whenever the clowns were

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Speaker 22: about to come out, and so that kind of stuck,

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Speaker 22: and that association has lasted to this day. And so

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Speaker 22: now Entrance of the Gladiator this is a universally recognized

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Speaker 22: across the Anglo sphere as the cloud music.

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Speaker 3: What was Transpower complaining about we were playing gladiator music

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Speaker 3: for them.

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Speaker 22: We were like, yeah, a bit of other radio stations

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Speaker 22: played classical music all the time. They wouldn't complain about that,

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Speaker 22: but when we do it, they get all upsets.

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Speaker 3: Yes, me, and because here's the thing, right, here's an

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Speaker 3: alternative spin on it, Transpower. We were playing the gladiator

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Speaker 3: music for you because no normal mortal can bring down

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Speaker 3: an entire pylon, but one of your mortals can because

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Speaker 3: they're gladiators.

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Speaker 1: They about that.

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Speaker 3: You didn't have to get upset about it. In the end,

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Speaker 3: look forward to talking to you one day, See you tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: He's dog Zibi.

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