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Speaker 1: So given it's the time of the year, Les, welcome

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Speaker 1: best of season. Christopher Luxon.

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Speaker 2: Good to be with you, Michael, good to be with you.

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Speaker 3: Do you regret that?

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Speaker 4: Man? Now, I'm actually I know, I know how much

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Speaker 4: And same with Costco. Good to see Costco going into

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Speaker 2: We've got it here now.

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Speaker 1: Good investment in as non political way as you're capable

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Speaker 4: A challenge, yeah, challenging, yeah, but also encouraging. I think

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Speaker 4: The challenge is, yeah, we've got to continue to fix

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Speaker 1: What happened to the year?

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Speaker 1: Do you have you personally found the year arduous?

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Speaker 1: Do you think you're a better Prime Minister this morning

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Speaker 4: But I noticed that you've been trashed talking my potential

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Speaker 1: We've got an absolute exactly now listen to this. This

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Speaker 2: We sat down.

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Speaker 1: Stop eating dinner on your knee. It's not healthy. So

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Speaker 3: I'll hell you don't.

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Speaker 2: You're worried about that.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, all I ask of you when you're sitting with

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Speaker 3: Me, I'm your photo is not not to spill your food.

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Speaker 3: We got it going right, Oh my god, I want you?

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Speaker 3: Is that a copy of the treaty?

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Speaker 1: Fantastic beautiful beautiful bag. By the way, is this handcuffs?

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Speaker 2: All right? What do you think a muzzle? I tell

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Speaker 3: Oh my lord? What what? What is it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: What do you think it is?

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Speaker 3: It looks? What does it look like?

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Speaker 3: What do you think you do with it? Where did

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Speaker 2: Well? What do you think it is?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's made of rubber. Yeah, and it's black, it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And you would strap it on?

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Speaker 3: Would you strap it on?

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Speaker 4: So so listen, as you know, if you go on

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Speaker 4: The second thing he does is he then goes wandering

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Speaker 1: So, or there's something to attach that I want to

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Speaker 1: I was about that because I was going to I

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Speaker 3: Here we go, this is too good?

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Speaker 4: Oh no way, now I want to say way, might

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Speaker 4: and I bought Mike. Yeah, I bought him two wine glasses.

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Speaker 4: And what he's got is a wine glass lanyard because

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Speaker 2: I've noticed. And as you've got older, I don't want you.

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Speaker 4: To trip in four, you know, because I could be

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Speaker 4: So I've got two of those for you. So that's

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Speaker 4: Now, the second part of the gift. This piece here

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Speaker 3: This is got.

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Speaker 2: Amanda did the nice roman.

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Speaker 1: My wrapping.

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Speaker 3: Yet after that this is oh now you got to

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Speaker 4: So what we've got here, listeners, is that you'll be

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Speaker 4: aware that Mike works from six to nine am week.

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Speaker 2: Days, rough thirty five weeks a year, and through.

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Speaker 4: The course of this year he has given me relentless

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Speaker 4: sort of maybe.

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Speaker 2: Here thirty five weeks a year.

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Speaker 4: So what I've done is a Mike Costing breakfast calendar,

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Speaker 2: On holiday quite a big part of the year. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think I also get a lot of unsolicited advice

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Speaker 4: so down this side, I've just given you a list

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Speaker 4: the unsolicited advice occasionally when you're here lovely and the

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Speaker 1: So that's it, without word of lie. You win, hands down.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty good. I mean that's.

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Speaker 3: They're very good and you'll enjoy that.

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Speaker 1: But that on calendar you take, that's I never thought

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Speaker 1: you'd get anything. You were already the first part of it.

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Speaker 1: I was so worried. But the calendar is absolute genius. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well done.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, have a great summer though I will indeed

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Speaker 4: you have a fair end of the summer.

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Speaker 3: Good luck in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's going to be a great year, I hope.

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Speaker 3: So nice to see take Prime Minister.

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