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Speaker 1: give the analysis. Heather duplicy Ellen, Drive with One New

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Speaker 1: Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news dogs. Envy.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Good afternoon, Welcome to the show coming out today.

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Speaker 2: Kieran mcinnulty on whether he's going to get that Booze law,

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Speaker 2: the Eastern Booze Law past in time, Elbow over the

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Speaker 2: Ditch has announced a national address on fuel on TV

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Speaker 2: and radio.

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Speaker 3: Tonight.

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Speaker 2: We're going to go to Canberra find out what that's about.

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Speaker 2: And our tech expert Chris Heel on all Birds.

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Speaker 1: Heather duplicy Ellen, I run the.

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Speaker 2: Risk of being self indulgent and boring, and that is

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Speaker 2: a very real prospect because I'm about to discuss the BSA,

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Speaker 2: the watchdog that oversees radio broadcasters like myself. But I

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Speaker 2: do need to discuss the BSA because I think these

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Speaker 2: guys do need to be disestablished. So I think they're

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Speaker 2: tipping the scales politically. Now, what has happened today is

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Speaker 2: the BSA has done what it has been threatening for

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Speaker 2: a number of months now to do. It has decided

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Speaker 2: that it has jurisdiction over the entire Internet, but more

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Speaker 2: specifically Sean Plunkett in the platform. Now I object to this,

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Speaker 2: not because I hold some sort of candle for the platform.

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Speaker 2: I've never listened to the platform, but because the BSA

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Speaker 2: because there is the risk that it will only police

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Speaker 2: what it finds potentially offensive, which brings us to what

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Speaker 2: Sean is potentially in trouble for, which is describing Maori

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Speaker 2: Ti hunger as mumbo jumbo. Now, I could be hugely

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Speaker 2: surprised here, and the BSA could have decided it's got

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Speaker 2: the power over Sean Plunkett just in order to declare

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: Mumbo jumbo mumbo jumbo simply means language or rituals or

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Speaker 2: suspect that had Shawan Plunkett used any of those synonyms

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Speaker 2: He is in trouble because he's used a phrase that

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Speaker 2: got up a certain type of person's nose. And that

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Speaker 2: it creates a perception that certain things are okay to

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Speaker 2: some broadcasters are good ease, and some broadcasters are, to

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Speaker 2: quote the modern parlance, problematic. Now it clearly can't police

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Speaker 2: the entire Internet. Times have moved on. Audiences can vote

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Speaker 2: with their clicks and their switches in an age of

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Speaker 2: Ninety two is the text number standard text FEEZ applied

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Speaker 2: does of course, I mean Paul Goldsmith gets the chance

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Speaker 2: us after half past five. Now, the Border Fire and

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Speaker 2: Emergency New Zealand FENS is getting itself a sweet little

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Speaker 2: seventy nine percent pay rise this year. The professional firefighters,

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Speaker 2: with US high Watti.

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Speaker 4: Hi, how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Very well, thank you. When you read about the

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Speaker 2: seventy nine percent, what did you think?

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Speaker 4: Fees, and clearly there was.

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Speaker 6: They have then gone to the Minister of Interimal Affairs,

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Speaker 6: It's outrageous when we have our three lowest ranks barely

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Speaker 2: So how many firefighters do you reckon you have that

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Speaker 6: They wouldn't be firefighters that earned that for their forty

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Speaker 2: What's the difference between a firefighter and an officer?

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Speaker 6: So an officer has greater responsibilities. They are the ones

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Speaker 2: Right, But the chaps going into the buildings and saving people,

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Speaker 2: they're not earning as much as the board chair.

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Speaker 4: No, not for their forty two hours, right.

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Speaker 2: Because they get the bonus and stuff on top of it.

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Speaker 6: For they get some they get they get over time

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, sorry, Yeah, that's what I meant by bonus.

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Speaker 6: Right, absolutely, there is massive issues with equipment including appliances,

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Speaker 4: Problems across the board.

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Speaker 6: There's no accountability for millions, one hundreds of millions that

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Speaker 4: It just it can't be more smelly than what it is.

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Speaker 2: How long have you guys been negotiating, by the way.

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Speaker 6: So our collective agreement expired in July twenty four and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it might have been that long. All right, Watti,

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Speaker 2: thank you appreciate it very much. Waty Watson, National Secretary

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Speaker 2: for the Professional Firefighters Union. Now we asked Fins to

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Speaker 2: just give you a quick update on the fuel numbers

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Speaker 2: So we have fifty nine days of petrol, fifty two

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Speaker 2: Diesel's gone down by a couple of days. Jet fuel

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Speaker 8: I've been talking about Bsa've.

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Speaker 2: Been talking about the BSA.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Paul Holmes, the legendary Sue pol Holmes said to me once,

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Speaker 9: if you're not being dragged up in front of the

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Speaker 9: BSA at least once every three years, you're not doing

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Speaker 2: Don't tell a BSA that because the BSA wants to

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Speaker 2: believe that we're scared of them, right, Yes, So we

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Speaker 2: have to pretend that we actually care what they say.

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Speaker 2: I'm terrified, shockingly, like it just terrifies me. I hope

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Speaker 2: they're listening talk to me about Ardie Savia, because there

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Speaker 2: is a piece in the Herald this morning, Gregor Paul's

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Speaker 2: piece which has laid it lays out what's going on

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Speaker 2: with Ardie Savia.

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Speaker 8: It's a tone, it's huge.

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Speaker 2: Ardie Savia has clearly has clearly had his people talk

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Speaker 2: to Gregor in some sort of an attempt to clear

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Speaker 2: read it. Did you read it like that?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 9: I chose to look dispassionately at it and look at

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Speaker 2: But that's not why Ardie has talked. That's not why

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Speaker 2: Artie's people have talked to Gregor. They're trying to clear

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Speaker 2: his name because everybody believes Artie was involved with Raser.

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Speaker 2: So instead, the story that he sold Gregor is that

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Speaker 9: I think what's complicit here is both in zied Are

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Speaker 8: And we've got Gregor on the show.

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Speaker 9: Tonight to explore what he wrote, why he wrote it,

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Speaker 9: and if people want to read it. I do suggest

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Speaker 9: at what happened there. There are two very different stories

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Speaker 9: sport and the wreckage that is New Zealand Rugby and

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Speaker 9: how they've managed to drag themselves by by the braces

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Speaker 8: It's a fascinating story.

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Speaker 9: I suppose that out the end of it, will he

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Speaker 9: get picked to be the captain for the All Blacks

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Speaker 2: Couty rewarded for this kind of nonsense.

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Speaker 9: Well, who was responsible for the nonsense? Was it in

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Speaker 9: Zida or was it him?

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Speaker 8: I don't think you can blame either party for this.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's a fair point that you make

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Speaker 2: because actually maybe what this is a sign of is

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Speaker 8: That's what you believe.

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Speaker 9: But what I'm interested in is that he's complaining about

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Speaker 9: how tired he was and it was overworked. Well, he

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Speaker 9: made those contracts. He walked straight into that, yep. And

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Speaker 9: then you look at New Zealand Rugby going well, you

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Speaker 9: gave him the opportuit tunity this. Why did you give

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Speaker 9: him the opportunity to do this? I think you got

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Speaker 9: what you asked for.

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Speaker 2: And he's being paid. I don't want to be that person,

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Speaker 2: but he's being paid a million dollars a year plus

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Speaker 2: to play rugby. Like, suck it up, mate.

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Speaker 9: Well ale bit okay, let's be honest about this. That

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Speaker 9: should have gone to play basketball.

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Speaker 2: In terms in terms of rugby in New Zealand. That's

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Speaker 9: Well, he's tired, right, And why is he tired Because

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Speaker 8: That is not a rest.

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Speaker 8: This is what people discuss.

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Speaker 1: Is it true?

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Speaker 9: Is he misread? He's like a Sonny Bill Williams character.

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Speaker 8: What a mental race?

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Speaker 2: Can I just ask you really quickly, how it is

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Speaker 9: What you think?

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Speaker 8: You think we freaked out and we couldn't win a

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Speaker 9: That's the third consecutive World Cup they haven't got They've

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Speaker 8: Qualifying for the World Cup.

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Speaker 9: What a horrible place to be and you know what

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Speaker 8: Man, they look good. Whoever designed those I got no idea.

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Speaker 2: Good from you, Thank you very much, Dars Darcy Watergrave

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Speaker 1: Cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's Heather

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Speaker 2: Here the I'm with you re Ardi Savia. What's more,

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Speaker 2: it was playing from the go here the Ardie Savia

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Speaker 2: Herald's pulled together a story and their people have tried

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Speaker 2: it's not about it. It wasn't going to quit because

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Speaker 2: It's because he wanted to spend all this time with

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Speaker 2: but that doesn't explain why if you want to be

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Speaker 2: you sign with Mwana Pacifica in Auckland, and you go

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Speaker 2: to Japan twice. That those are decisions that the record

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Speaker 2: of your decisions show the opposite, right, and then also

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Speaker 2: going now i'm gonna quite, I'm gonna quit, I'm gonna oh,

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Speaker 2: Raise is God, Okay, I'm not gonna quit now, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna stay. Also that, but also also if you've been

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Speaker 2: reading Shane Curry's columns two months ago. In February, he

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Speaker 2: said that he was tired and he said him cool,

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Speaker 2: take the Northern tour off. Did Ardie take the Northern

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Speaker 2: this swan plays out. Four twenty six Out of Australia,

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Speaker 2: Anthony Alberinezi has announced he's going to do a national

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Speaker 2: reasonably big deal. He's apparently going to ask people to

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Speaker 2: Canberra after five and just find out what's going on there.

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Speaker 2: Couple of bad polls for National to run you through.

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Speaker 2: So last night, if you were on the social medis

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Speaker 2: you would have seen this drop. It was the Roy

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Speaker 2: point five and Labors on thirty four. Now thing to

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Speaker 2: it for you make your own decisions about it. Politic

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Speaker 2: dot co dot in zaid, which is the newsletter that

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Speaker 2: all the nerds in Wellington go and read. And I

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Speaker 2: isn't it Politic is reporting that Labor has an internal

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Speaker 2: they're telling telling Politic this is that Labour's telling Politic

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Speaker 2: is because it's really great for Labor. They're not going

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Speaker 2: to tell them about all the other rubbish poles. But

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Speaker 2: there you go. Polling woes not over yet, verry so

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Speaker 2: for soon news US.

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Speaker 1: Next, good hard questions, strong opinion Here the dup cell

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Speaker 1: and drive with one New Zealand hand of power of

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Speaker 1: satellite Mobile news Dog said Ben.

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Speaker 2: Such, it's going to be a US and ten minutes

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Speaker 2: time heither read the poll. Do you really believe Labor

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Speaker 2: is that far ahead? Not in your wildest dreams, babe? No, thanks,

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Speaker 2: Babe's quite a nice touch. No, I don't believe Labor

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Speaker 2: it looks real good for them. The problem is more

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Speaker 2: I'm not terribly interested in that. I just don't think

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Speaker 2: interesting thing is the increasing pressure on the back benches

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Speaker 2: essentially on polling that looks that bad. Anyway, We'll see

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Speaker 2: how it plays out. It's nothing, you know. What can

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Speaker 2: we say other than just keep a watching brief on that.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump has said he's going to give a national

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Speaker 2: address on Iran tomorrow. It's two o'clock our time. It

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Speaker 2: will provide an important update on Iran. This is according

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Speaker 2: he will either announce the escalation or a long anticipated

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Speaker 2: ground operation. The Wall Street Journal has just added reporting

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Speaker 2: in the last hour and a half or so that

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Speaker 2: means necessary, and actually, interestingly apparently it and other countries.

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Speaker 2: Other Gulf allies like Saudi Arabia are reportedly privately urging

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump to keep fighting because now that he started

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Speaker 2: on Iran, they want him to finish Iran. They don't

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Speaker 2: think that the regime there has been weakened enough. Dan

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Speaker 2: Mitchinson is with us on this. Very shortly twenty three

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Speaker 2: away from five.

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on newstalks, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: Trump has also said that the US will exit the

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Speaker 2: war in two to three weeks, deal or no deal,

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Speaker 2: and the Secretary of State Marco Rubio says America's objectives

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Speaker 10: The objective of this operation was, which I outline now

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Speaker 10: and the President outlined clearly on the first night, is

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Speaker 10: the destruction of their air force, which we've achieved, the

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Speaker 10: destruction of their navy, which we've largely achieved. The destruction

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Speaker 10: to achieving, meaning factories that make these weapons, and significantly

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Speaker 10: reducing the number of missile launchers that they have.

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Speaker 2: On the news, that I was telling about earlier that

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Speaker 2: Elbow is going to do an address to all TV

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Speaker 2: and radio stations in Ossie at nine o'clock our time tonight.

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Speaker 2: Here's the Aussie Housing Minister.

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Speaker 11: It's fairly clear that what's going on in the Middle

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Speaker 11: East is having widespread ramifications for the country. I think

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Speaker 11: he wants every Australian to have the same information, have

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Speaker 11: it from the same reliable source, directly from the Prime Minister,

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Speaker 11: and for him to be able to step through in

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Speaker 11: for the detail what the plan is.

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Speaker 2: And finally, Costco in the US is selling a giant

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Speaker 2: chocolate bunny that weighs four and a half kgs.

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Speaker 12: It's called Pete.

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Speaker 2: The chocolate bunny costs two hundred and forty New Zealand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Costco recommends you use either a mallet or a rolling

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Speaker 2: pin to break him up into pieces small enough to

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Speaker 2: actually eat.

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Speaker 13: How do you eat?

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Speaker 14: Wrap Pete and a towel and give them one bold whack.

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Speaker 2: Now we've got in touch with Costco and Auckland. Apparently

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Speaker 2: Pete is not going to be available here because it's

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Speaker 2: just not an audience like, there's just not We're just

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Speaker 2: not fatties to that extent who just want to gobble

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Speaker 2: down that much chocolate but their biggest chocolate bunny still

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Speaker 2: bag one point two.

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Speaker 1: Kg's international correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of

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Speaker 1: Mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, Dan Mitchenson Us corresponding, You heard me say

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Speaker 2: that about you people.

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Speaker 13: There is fighting words, there's fighting words.

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Speaker 2: But I can say that about rabbit.

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Speaker 12: Isn't huge that rabbit?

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Speaker 1: It's huge.

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Speaker 13: Now if it was in dark chocolate, I would buy it,

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Speaker 13: but it's in milk chocolate, so I have to take

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Speaker 13: a pass on that.

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Speaker 2: Would you tell me about the Costco chocolate? Is it

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Speaker 2: the good chocolate or is it the chocolate with the

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Speaker 2: palm oil in it? The yacks?

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Speaker 13: Well, it's I don't know what it has in there.

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Speaker 13: I never buy chocolate at Costco unless it's over the

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Speaker 13: Christmas time and then they have a lot of imported

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Speaker 13: chocolates from around the world, which I you know, from

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Speaker 13: England and Belgium and stuff like that, which I love.

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Speaker 13: But yeah, that's that's too much chocolate for any one person.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds to me like your taste the too

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Speaker 2: refined for Pete anyway, Now, what's going on with the

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Speaker 2: ballroom plans.

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Speaker 13: Well, the White House had these plans to make this

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Speaker 13: fantastic ballroom, but there was an injunction. A federal judge

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Speaker 13: today just said, oh, that's not going to happen. He

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Speaker 13: blocked the construction, you know, a little bit late to

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Speaker 13: the game, when the whole East Wing has been knocked

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Speaker 13: down already. And this is a four hundred million dollar ballroom,

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Speaker 13: which by the way, was supposed to originally cost two

446
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Speaker 13: hundred and fifty and then went up to three hundred

447
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Speaker 13: and then went up to four hundred million dollars. But

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Speaker 13: President Trump has said, don't worry, it's all private donations.

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Speaker 13: And a judge's ruled in favor of National Trust for

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Speaker 13: Historic Preservations, saying again, you're the caretaker of this you

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Speaker 13: are not the owner of this building. But this delay

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Speaker 13: is going to give the president time to appeal the injunction.

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Speaker 13: So who knows what he's.

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Speaker 1: Going to do with it.

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Speaker 2: Now. How many more troops are heading to the Middle

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Speaker 2: East or what is going on? What is the firepower

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Speaker 2: being seent over now?

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Speaker 13: You know, this is really interesting what you were just

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Speaker 13: saying about what the Walls Journal was reporting, Heather, And

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Speaker 13: then we've got a third aircraft carrier that was just

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Speaker 13: sent to the Middle East, the USS George HW. Bush,

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Speaker 13: which is an aircraft carrier, and that left today along

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Speaker 13: several other warships. This is supposed to take about two

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Speaker 13: to three weeks before they reached the region, which, funnily enough,

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Speaker 13: is when President Trump earlier today just said, you know what,

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Speaker 13: this whole thing is probably going to be over in

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Speaker 13: two to three weeks. So he is weighing additional military

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Speaker 13: operations right there, Like you said, he's going to be

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Speaker 13: giving this address tomorrow. Will he put boots on the ground,

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Speaker 13: will he continue with this or will you know the

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Speaker 13: Middle East says, hey, we're willing to pull back right now.

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Speaker 13: Just don't attack us anymore.

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Speaker 2: Listen, what is just run me through what's happened here

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Speaker 2: with the conversion therapy law.

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Speaker 13: Well, I mean the Supreme Court today ruled against this

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Speaker 13: law and this was coming out of Colorado for banning

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Speaker 13: conversion therapy for LGBTQ plus kids. And Colorado is like

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Speaker 13: one of I think two dozen states or so that

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Speaker 13: banned this, and they sided with a counselor who said

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Speaker 13: the law banning conversion therapy violates the First Amendment and

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Speaker 13: the Justice said, well, you know what, I guess, I

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Speaker 13: guess you're right here. It raises free speech concerns. So

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Speaker 13: what they're doing now is, you know, they're sending it

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Speaker 13: back to a lower court. They're saying, Okay, we're going

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Speaker 13: to we're going to push this off onto somebody else

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Speaker 13: and let this other court decide if it meets a

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Speaker 13: legal standard that will pass. But I just I just

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Speaker 13: don't know if it's going to make it its way

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Speaker 13: back up to the Supreme Court or if this is

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Speaker 13: going to just sort of stay down in a lower

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Speaker 13: court inside.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Dan, thank you as always. We'll chat to you

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Speaker 2: here next week because of course, good Friday, look after yourself.

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Speaker 2: Dan Mitchison, US correspondent, eighteen away.

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Speaker 1: From five hither duplessy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: I think so tomorrow we've got the the reshuffle Chris

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Speaker 2: Luckxin's reshuffle of the National Party. Watch Chris Bishop. Watch

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Speaker 2: his portfolios, because he's going to lose something. And what

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Speaker 2: he loses is going to tell you's m I think

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Speaker 2: it will be material, like if it's just a little

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Speaker 2: bit or if it's a lot, you should use that

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Speaker 2: as a measure of things. And it's going to be

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Speaker 2: presented tomorrow. I would imagine as look, he needs to

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Speaker 2: lose some of his portfolios because he's very busy. He's

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Speaker 2: the campaign chair, which is fair, it is very busy,

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Speaker 2: but it is also and not only that he's got

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Speaker 2: small family, like small kids, young family, So you know,

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Speaker 2: the man is working incredibly difficult, incredibly hard and difficult circumstances.

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Speaker 2: Is going to be difficult election as well. But also

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Speaker 2: it has been floating around for months, and I think

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Speaker 2: this is material has been floating around for months that

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Speaker 2: he's going to be punished for the attempted coup in December,

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Speaker 2: So keep an eye on that. Now, listen what I'm

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Speaker 2: about to tell you. I am going to tell you

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Speaker 2: the following thing tastefully because I am aware that there

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Speaker 2: may still be you know, like there may be kids

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Speaker 2: in the car and stuff like that. But this is

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Speaker 2: so I will use tasteful language and it's not going

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Speaker 2: to get weird. But there's been quite a weird wild

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Speaker 2: revelation about the former Secretary of Homeland Security, Christy Nomes husband.

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Speaker 2: Photos have emerged of the husband Byron published in the

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Speaker 2: Daily Mail of him dressed up as a woman. He

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Speaker 2: is apparently quite into a fetish called bimbo fication, which

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Speaker 2: is basically when men try to present themselves as much

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Speaker 2: of a bimbo as possible to a degree that it

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Speaker 2: actually becomes quite outlandish and ridiculous. So in these particular photographs,

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Speaker 2: he is fully clothed, but he has fake boobs underneath

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Speaker 2: his top that are enormous, like sort of imagine imagine

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Speaker 2: two people's heads under that type enormous. It's enormous. And

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Speaker 2: then also some sort of prosthetic butt going on or

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Speaker 2: something to make his butt look big. Anyway, hundreds of

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Speaker 2: messages have emerged purportedly sent between him and three other

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Speaker 2: women who are also involved in this fetish scene, and

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Speaker 2: as you can imagine, it is devastating for the family.

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Speaker 2: It is also quite a thing to go and see.

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Speaker 2: So you know when you've got a hot moment by

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Speaker 2: yourself check it out. Sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics, credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: So happy to use those silly food and booslaws for

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Speaker 2: Easter weekend might be on in time for Easter weekends.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to have a chat to Karen macnaughty

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Speaker 2: after five. He's the guy changing the rules for US

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Speaker 2: thirteen away from five. Barry So for senior political correspondence here, Hello.

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Speaker 15: Barry, Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: You reckon the government was sounding down beat today.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, they were a bit downbeat, I must say. But

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Speaker 15: to first of all, I'd like to address listeners that

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Speaker 15: say there was no into the coup.

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Speaker 2: Oh you've seen my quest lucks and.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, and you know, we don't sit here and make

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Speaker 15: these things up. We talked to a number of people,

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Speaker 15: and the sources have to remain anonymous because that's how

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Speaker 15: journalists operate. But believe me, there was We know the

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Speaker 15: people that were involved, and we may see some moves

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Speaker 15: in the cabinet reshoffing aymore.

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Speaker 2: Don't have to get that upset about Linda's text. It

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Speaker 2: was one text from them.

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Speaker 15: No, no, no, no, I'm not upset about when I've

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Speaker 15: seen it come time and time again, and I see

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Speaker 15: King Charles is going to go ahead with his trip

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Speaker 15: to Washington.

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Speaker 2: Well they'd better wrap up the war then before this

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Speaker 2: is what Trump will be working to a weird deadline

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Speaker 2: like that. Now, listen, tell me why do you think

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Speaker 2: the government was down.

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Speaker 15: Well, you know they were subdued at question time. I

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Speaker 15: felt in Parliament today. Fuel stocks may be plentiful for now,

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Speaker 15: that is, but it's the downstream effect that's being felt

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Speaker 15: by hard press Kiwis, and we all know that that's

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Speaker 15: been acknowledged by both Finance Minister and the Prime Minister

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Speaker 15: in Parliament this afternoon. Many would say they're preaching the

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Speaker 15: bleedingly obvious here, they are doing it anyway.

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Speaker 5: The conflict will have a negative impact on the economy

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Speaker 5: through prices, but also potentially through other channels like shipping disruptions,

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Speaker 5: freight costs, reduced demand for New Zealand exports, financial markets disruption,

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Speaker 5: and greater uncertainty. New Zealand is poorer because of these

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Speaker 5: global events, and how big that impact is depends on

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Speaker 5: how the conflict evolves and how it gets resolved.

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Speaker 16: We are doing everything we can to support Kiwis, but

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Speaker 16: we are also not going to repeat the mistakes of

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Speaker 16: COVID that led to thirty two year high inflation and

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Speaker 16: one hundred and eighty billion dollars worth of debt.

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Speaker 17: But it's all very easy to fire.

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Speaker 16: A cash berzooker around and that creates a lots of

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Speaker 16: short term gain, but it creates endless long term pain.

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Speaker 8: So you know, here's this.

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Speaker 15: They have been acknowledging it all along, of course, but

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Speaker 15: you know they've been more upbeat when they come to

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Speaker 15: basically assisting those who are feeling it very difficult at

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Speaker 15: the moment. There will be an announcement tomorrow. Help is

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Speaker 15: on its way, at least for some which labors Barbara

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Speaker 15: Edmunds managed to extract from Nikola Willis.

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Speaker 18: How will she quote blunt the impact unquote on care

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Speaker 18: and support workers who are reportedly having to refuse jobs

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Speaker 18: because they cannot afford the fuel to get.

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Speaker 5: There, mister speaker. The government will make an announcement on

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Speaker 5: that tomorrow.

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Speaker 18: How will she quote blunt the impact unquote on a

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Speaker 18: net ninety three percent of businesses who are expecting costs

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Speaker 18: to increase.

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Speaker 5: Almost a speaker. It is not within my power to

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Speaker 5: end the conflict in the Middle East.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, it couldn't be worse, could it for

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Speaker 15: a government when the economic indicators were just beginning to

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Speaker 15: turn and now they're facing this dreadful.

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Speaker 8: Situation in months out from It's.

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Speaker 15: The old trumpy My mate said today that look, the

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Speaker 15: rest of the world can look after Hormer's straight because

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Speaker 15: we don't use it that much anyway, And I heard

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Speaker 15: a very good commentator today say that basically that's like

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Speaker 15: going into a pottery shop and smacking, smashing all the pots,

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Speaker 15: then going outside and telling others to fix them up

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Speaker 15: or pay for the damage.

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Speaker 2: Thoughts on the Royal margin see how quickly I'm just

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Speaker 2: I'm just moving on. Thoughts on the Royal Morgan.

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Speaker 8: Pot again, a dreadful poll.

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Speaker 15: You'd have to say for National it's basically a hung parliament.

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Speaker 15: But in the Morgan poll, I see you mentioned that

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Speaker 15: in twenty twenty it was the most accurate and I

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Speaker 15: guess all polls will end up in that situation at

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Speaker 15: some stage when they take a punt anyway, But it

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Speaker 15: shows that the National lead Government Act New Zealand first

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Speaker 15: on forty seven point five, down one point and effectively

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Speaker 15: tied with Labor, the Greens and the Moldi Party. That

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Speaker 15: the oppositions are on forty eight percent, up one percent.

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Speaker 15: But if you look at the parties in particular, and

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Speaker 15: this will be the big worry for National. At the moment,

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Speaker 15: National dropped four and a half percent to twenty six

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Speaker 15: and a half, it's lowest support since it was elected

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Speaker 15: to office in twenty twenty three in support for New

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Speaker 15: Zealand First, and this is where it comes in, doesn't

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Speaker 15: it really up one point five percent to eleven, the

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Speaker 15: highest level support it's had since being elected into government,

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Speaker 15: while support for ACT was up two percent to ten.

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Speaker 15: So it's those minor parties that are picking up support

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Speaker 15: where Nationals losing out now, but.

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Speaker 2: They had lost some of that support. About one percent

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Speaker 2: of the support also bled across to Labor.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm just going to say that here the support

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Speaker 15: for Labor increased by four percent up to thirty four percent.

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Speaker 15: The Greens dropped three and a half percent to eleven,

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Speaker 15: and the Maori Party was up zero point five percent

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Speaker 15: to three. But of course they've got to win all

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Speaker 15: their seats for this to be a hung parliament. But

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Speaker 15: when you look at the support, National would win thirty

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Speaker 15: and this is the key. Really National win thirty three seats,

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Speaker 15: down sixteen from the last election. And that's why you

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Speaker 15: get rumbling because they're sixteen people could be on.

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Speaker 2: The sixteen people who want their jobs. All right, Very thanks,

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Speaker 2: very much, appreciate A Barry Soper, senior political correspondence Seven

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Speaker 2: away from five.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions it's the mic Hosking Breakfast,

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Speaker 1: the FTA with India.

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Speaker 19: What's going on here? The leader of the labor parties

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Speaker 19: apparently find you're written to the Trade Minister. The government

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Speaker 19: of course needs labor's numbers given New Zealand first doesn't

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Speaker 19: want to barrow, but either the Trade Minister Tom McClay

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Speaker 19: is what.

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Speaker 20: I've had a formal meeting where we went through it,

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Speaker 20: or with the negotiat us with Chrissie there, class there,

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Speaker 20: Spokesman Damon Connor. Look, I've had Damon O'Connor with me

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Speaker 20: off at the Double Showman's throw meeting down and Cameroon.

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Speaker 1: Because trade is meant to be bipartisan.

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Speaker 20: We've been going through it a lot, but I don't

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Speaker 20: see anything material in what they are raising other than

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Speaker 20: missing the point. It's one point four billion people and

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Speaker 20: every other country of the world would like the trade

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Speaker 20: deal we've got.

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Speaker 19: Back tomorrow at six am the mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 19: Rain Drivers fort SV News Talk ZB price.

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Speaker 2: Of diesel has now passed the three dollars fifty mark

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Speaker 2: February twenty eight. Just just look at what's happened in

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Speaker 2: the space of just slightly over the month. February twenty eight,

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Speaker 2: dollar eighty eight leave now three dollars fifty eliter So

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Speaker 2: it's gone up by a dollar sixty three, which means

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Speaker 2: the next milestone is going to be that it's doubled.

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Speaker 2: Listen there, it's hit the media to this bit of

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Speaker 2: media coverage today of the parental favoritism. Now, I know

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Speaker 2: I don't have any I don't have any favorites as

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Speaker 2: I don't love any of my kids more than others.

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Speaker 2: Apparently that's absolute bs. And even though we say that

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Speaker 2: we do, strong evidence does exist. And the favorite child

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Speaker 2: usually stays the same for decades. And what's interesting is

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Speaker 2: that the one that the children think is the favorite

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Speaker 2: is actually probably not the favorite. Generally, it's it's daughters. Generally,

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Speaker 2: mums and dads both prefer the daughters, and it's probably

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Speaker 2: because they are more agreeable. I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: found this, but raising daughters it does seem to be

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Speaker 2: somewhat easier, probably until they start getting that old done

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Speaker 2: the situation as teenagers, but up to that point they

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Speaker 2: are really easy. They're not as Energeticay, the youngest was

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Speaker 2: most likely to being named by mothers as emotionally close

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Speaker 2: the eldest was most likely to be turned to times

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Speaker 2: of crises. Was definitely something that happens later in life.

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Speaker 2: I'd imagine Joe Robertson, therapist and founder of Tricky Chats Parenting,

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Speaker 2: is going to be with us on this, Heather, what

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Speaker 2: is MacNulty's met And that's after five by the way,

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Speaker 2: here the what is Macnaulty's message to all the people

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Speaker 2: who will now be forced to work over the long weekend? Oh,

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Speaker 2: for God's sake the people. No, they're working already because

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Speaker 2: the pubs are open, right. The different what is different

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Speaker 2: is that you don't have to go in now and go, oh,

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Speaker 2: can I have a beer?

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Speaker 21: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I need to have a substantial meal. Okay, I'll have

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Speaker 2: subficient chips to go with my beer. You can just

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Speaker 2: go Can I have a beer? Thank you for my

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Speaker 2: beer on Good Friday? Anyway, he's with us. Next news

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Speaker 2: talks dB y.

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Speaker 22: Five known brown five five known brown.

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Speaker 1: Eyes, pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's

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Speaker 1: Heather dupicl and Drive with one New Zealand coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else's.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon. So there is a chance that one

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Speaker 2: of the dumber Easter rules may change in time for

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Speaker 2: this Easter. Currently, you're not allowed to buy a drink

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Speaker 2: on Good Friday unless you are staying at the establishment

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Speaker 2: or order yourself a substantial meal. But Karen McNaughty of

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Speaker 2: Labor has promoted an amendment to the Sale and Supply

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Speaker 2: of Alcohol Act in order to change that. It's being

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Speaker 2: debated today in Parliament and he's with us. Karen, Hello, Gay,

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Speaker 2: how are you? And well, thank you. Chances it's done

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Speaker 2: by this Easter.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, well, the debate is happening right now. I've literally

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Speaker 21: stepped out of the house to have a yarn with you,

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Speaker 21: so we will know the result and probably about an

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Speaker 21: hour's time.

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Speaker 2: Chances it passes.

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Speaker 23: I think it's pretty good.

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Speaker 21: The numbers of support has stayed steady throughout the stages,

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Speaker 21: and this is the furthest that any attempt to amend

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Speaker 21: Easter rules has got. In fact, no previous attempt had

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Speaker 21: even got to Select Committee. So the fact we've got

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Speaker 21: through Select Committee, second Reading Committee, the whole where now

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Speaker 21: we're on third Reading with the same level of support,

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Speaker 21: I'm pretty confident.

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Speaker 2: If it passes, it means that you can go into

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Speaker 2: a pub on Good Friday, you can order yourself a

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Speaker 2: beer without ordering a meal. Does it also mean that

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Speaker 2: that pub owners can keep their pubs open on good

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Speaker 2: Friday morning rather than shutting them at midnight like they

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Speaker 2: do on Thursday night.

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Speaker 24: Yes, it will, and I'm look, the thing is that on.

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Speaker 21: These three and a half days, that the half day

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Speaker 21: is the morning of Anzac Day, these on licensed premises

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Speaker 21: have to operate under different rules and they do any

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Speaker 21: other time of the year. And all I'm proposing is

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Speaker 21: that on these days the businesses that are already operating

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Speaker 21: and the workers that are already working anyway, can just do.

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Speaker 23: So under normal conditions.

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Speaker 21: It'll clear up so much confusion for tourists that just

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Speaker 21: want to have a pint and have to be told

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Speaker 21: they have to order a roast meal. And I don't

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Speaker 21: want a race meal where you have to if you

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Speaker 21: want to have a drink. It's just nonsense. If they're

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Speaker 21: open anyway, just let them operate under normal conditions.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm getting a lot of text from people like

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Speaker 2: Nick who says, hey, we've already done for the next

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Speaker 2: few weeks, and someone else says it's going to be

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Speaker 2: bad for your voting base because you normally look after

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Speaker 2: the workers who want to have a break. What do

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Speaker 2: you say to that.

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Speaker 21: If this bill was proposing what those that have failed

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Speaker 21: before me was is that we're changing the trading laws,

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Speaker 21: then yeah, sure they might have a point, but the

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Speaker 21: only businesses that are affected by my bill are those

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Speaker 21: that are open and operating anyway, so the workers are

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Speaker 21: already working. In fact, if anything, the feedback I've had

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Speaker 21: from workers is that instead of monitoring what food people

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Speaker 21: have ordered, they can just operate under normal conditions and

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Speaker 21: it's better for them. But it's a face of a rule,

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Speaker 21: you know that, the fact that you're required to order

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Speaker 21: a substantial meal when a substantial meal isn't actually defined.

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Speaker 23: You have to order it, but you're not actually required

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Speaker 23: to eat it.

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Speaker 21: You just have to order it in order to get

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Speaker 21: a drink. It's nonsense.

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Speaker 4: It's such nonsense.

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Speaker 2: What pub are you hitting on Good Friday?

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Speaker 1: Then there's a.

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Speaker 21: Bear Guarden just small walk from my house and mastt

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Speaker 21: in which I'll be popping down to on Good Friday,

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Speaker 21: and I might even go out.

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Speaker 24: With the family after that on this a Sunday morning.

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Speaker 2: Wild weekend for you, Kieren, Thanks very much, Kieran mcinnaughty

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Speaker 2: Labor MP ten past five than ever do for c Allen.

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Speaker 2: Australian Prime Minister Anthony Alberanizi has announced he will address

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Speaker 2: their nation on the iron fuel crisis tonight. The statement

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Speaker 2: will happen at nine pm Our time. It will be

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Speaker 2: similar craft across TV and radio stations over in Australia.

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Speaker 2: Charles Crautcher is nine News as chief political editor in

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Speaker 2: Canberra and with us hi, Charles get ahead. What's he

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Speaker 2: going to say?

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Speaker 25: I think this will be outlining what the problem is,

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Speaker 25: what the plan is, what the government will do, and

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Speaker 25: what he wants Australians to do.

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Speaker 1: So far there's a lot.

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Speaker 25: Of confusion and chaos and all the stuff that comes

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Speaker 25: out of the Middle East. This is an attempt to

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Speaker 25: put everyone on the same page before we go into

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Speaker 25: that Easter, a long weekend and then school holidays over

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Speaker 25: here and you kind of lose the audience if you're

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Speaker 25: the PM at a time when over the next two

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Speaker 25: weeks on the president's timeline, the war will land in

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Speaker 25: on Australia and I dare say New Zealand timeline that

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Speaker 25: the real fuel crunch will come. So I think this

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Speaker 25: isn't going to be announcing troops It's not going to

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Speaker 25: be announcing shutdown a lockdown like we saw in COVID.

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Speaker 25: This is from what I have heard from his office

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Speaker 25: and from him, this will be his everything on the

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Speaker 25: table and a call for Australians to conserve petrol while

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Speaker 25: also going about their usual Easter lizes. But to break

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Speaker 25: a holiday, whatever you do, catching up with family or

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Speaker 25: if the law gets through, going to the pub. This

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Speaker 25: is about putting everyone on the same page before things

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Speaker 25: get messy, both overseas and with holidays.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but Charles, I mean, this is quite a drastic

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Speaker 2: step to take, like it is a big deal to

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Speaker 2: call the national address across your TV and radio stations.

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Speaker 2: Why has he taken such a big step instead of

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Speaker 2: just doing it like our government in New Zealanders donet

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Speaker 2: doing a press conference last Friday at normal business hours

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Speaker 2: and we all got on with our lives.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, we don't often see this. I mean, this is

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Speaker 25: usually reserved for times of financial crisis. I apologize about

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Speaker 25: those bells that are in and there's a vote going

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Speaker 25: onto the Parliament which is causing that happened all throughout

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Speaker 25: the house. This is usually reserve for times of national tragedy,

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Speaker 25: financial crisis, declarations of war and alike. I think the

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Speaker 25: issue here is during COVID Australia broke down into little

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Speaker 25: five terms, our premiers of the states became emperors, and

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Speaker 25: the nations that are turned on each other. There is

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Speaker 25: a real desire amongst the cabinet and everyone you speak

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Speaker 25: to that this is a national crisis that needs to

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Speaker 25: have a national response. This is the best card the

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Speaker 25: Prime Minister has in his deck to make it clear

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Speaker 25: that there is a national response, and he's going to

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Speaker 25: do it now because at the moment they're sort of

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Speaker 25: rolling and ramping up of some of the talk of

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Speaker 25: fuel caps or shutdowns or force work from home. It's

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Speaker 25: starting to get away from the government and this is

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Speaker 25: a chance to well the best chance they have to

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Speaker 25: at least put everyone on the same page and make

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Speaker 25: it clear we're not sending troops, or we're not looking down,

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Speaker 25: or we're not going to have states turn on each

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Speaker 25: other like they did six years ago.

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Speaker 2: Right, Charles, it is always good to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your time. Charles Croucher, nine News Chief

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Speaker 2: Political Editor, thirteen past five. But the Kieren claims to

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Speaker 2: be hitting mass on Sunday, but is happy to scrap

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Speaker 2: along Easter tradition of no alcohol. You can't make this up, well,

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Speaker 2: hang on, attack, Hang on attack. God didn't say that,

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Speaker 2: you do. We need to have another theology. We had

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Speaker 2: our theological debate yesterday. Do do we need to refer

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Speaker 2: to the Bible again? Find the passage where God says,

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Speaker 2: shall ye shall not have a beer without a snack

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Speaker 2: portion of fish and chips on Good Friday? Cowm off it?

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Speaker 5: God.

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Speaker 2: God's okay if you have a beer, isn't he because

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Speaker 2: he knows you've you've earned it.

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Speaker 26: Look, you're four, it's in I rather suspect that minister. Oh,

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Speaker 26: he's not a myster anymore. But Karen may actually have

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Speaker 26: some wine at the church service even before he leaves.

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Speaker 2: God's well into wine. God is well into wine. Look,

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Speaker 2: I think God knows you deserve it. As I was saying,

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Speaker 2: your four months into the year, already been hit with

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Speaker 2: a crisis, and you just come off the back of COVID. Right,

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Speaker 2: So if anybody needs a beer on Good Friday, it's you.

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Speaker 2: I would like I would like to test this as

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Speaker 2: a case if you wouldn't mind by if somebody who

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Speaker 2: is offended by what I've just said about the Bible

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Speaker 2: and God and speaking for God, and also throw and

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Speaker 2: throw in the crap I said about the Pope yesterday

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Speaker 2: and the fact that I just said crap as well twice.

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Speaker 2: If you could just write up a little BSA complaint

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Speaker 2: and send it in for me, i'd like to tell

877
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: I mean that no one at work is going to

878
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: be happy about this, because now they're going to have

879
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: to fill up paperwork and stuff like that. People are

880
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: going to the boss is going to come down in

881
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: a minute, Jason, I'm angry. If you Heather, he's gonna say,

882
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to copy it. But I do what.

883
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: I'd like to see what the BSA is going to

884
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: do about me having a crack on some Christian on

885
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 2: some Christian related topics, just just just to test my

886
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: thesis at the start of the program that they only

887
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: get worked up about certain things. Anyway, file that in.

888
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: You've got to start with us, complain to us, and

889
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: we'll complain to the BSA. There's a boss already, Lord,

890
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: he's looking at me. What I actually wanted to use

891
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 2: this opportunity to tell you about is Dezzy Freeman in Australia,

892
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: because if you've been wondering, how did the cops know

893
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: that he was there? It turns out when they got

894
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 2: shot the other day, a member of his own inner

895
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: circle finally turned him over to the authorities. And he

896
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 2: was only at that property for a really short period

897
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: of time and he got dabbed in by somebody he loves.

898
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 2: This is probably probably because there's a million dollar reward

899
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: for information. The guy who owns the property actually isn't

900
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 2: at the property. He's over with his family in eastern

901
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: Tasmania and apparently didn't know that that Daisy Freeman was there.

902
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: So keeping on on that story because it's fascinating. By

903
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,959
Speaker 2: the way. The other reason I brought up the BSA again,

904
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: just to circle back to that, is Paul Goldsmith is

905
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: with us in twenty minutes time on the BSA quarter pass.

906
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: As I said earlier, not finished with the Fens situation,

907
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: so we'll come back to them shortly. Right now, it's

908
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: eighteen past five now there is a little bit of

909
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: chat in the media about where the parents have a

910
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: favorite child, and if your immediate reaction will as well.

911
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 2: Of course I don't. Science actually disagrees with you. There

912
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: are studies that show parents do have favorites, and more

913
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: often than not, it's the daughter Joe Roberts as a

914
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: therapist and founder of Tricky Chat's Parenting and with us.

915
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 27: Hi Joe, Hello, are you an interesting one?

916
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: Do you have kids? I have three? Do you have

917
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 2: a favorite?

918
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 27: I asked them. I said, I'm going to be talking

919
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 27: about favorite children. And I asked all three of them,

920
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 27: what do you think? And they said, no, it doesn't exist.

921
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 27: And then I said, who do you think would be

922
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 27: my favorite? The youngest child immediately puts up his hand

923
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 27: and they all agreed.

924
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: And science suggests that often is the case, isn't it. Yeah?

925
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 2: And it was interesting.

926
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 27: I said why do you think that? And then they said,

927
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 27: you know, you give him more things that you didn't

928
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 27: give us at the same age. Is that it's actually

929
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 27: that's actually true. I think, you know, there's a perpetual

930
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 27: this is my baby kind of experience. I think that

931
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 27: lots of parents would understand. And they growing up in

932
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 27: an older household, so they are actually getting opportunities that

933
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 27: a first child, for example, might not.

934
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 2: Does it necessary because because it's forced me also to

935
00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: kind of do a little bit of a stock take

936
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: of my mind feelings. Does it necessarily mean that if

937
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: you're treating the little one, the youngest, the youngest one differently,

938
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: does it necessarily mean that they're your favorite? Or are

939
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: you just just responding to each one at their own

940
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: aged stage.

941
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 24: Yeah.

942
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 27: No, I absolutely don't think it means favorite. I think

943
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 27: that we could all look at our kids, particularly if

944
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 27: you've got you know, multiple three or more, and say,

945
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 27: you know, this is the thing I love a lot

946
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 27: about them, And this is the thing I love a

947
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 27: lot about that person, And the relationship I have with

948
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 27: this one is so different to the relationship I have

949
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 27: with the other. I think we can see quite different

950
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 27: values in them. It doesn't mean we prefer one over

951
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 27: the other.

952
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: How do the researchers, though, determine that we have favorites?

953
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: If we say we don't have favorites.

954
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 27: I think that they're really the core of the questions.

955
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 27: That is about preferential treatment, and I think that can

956
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 27: be interpreted in many ways. So, for example, what my

957
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 27: children might interprets preferential treatment means that I'm giving one

958
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 27: child who has more needs more time, and that might

959
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 27: look on the or even if I wasn't thinking deeply

960
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 27: about it, you might go, oh, that's favoritism. But actually,

961
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 27: you know, I'm meeting a need and the other ones

962
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 27: have needs but they don't.

963
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: Look the same. Yeah, I call beas on the study.

964
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: By the way, hey, I said earlier that I reckon.

965
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 2: Part of it is the reason that we think daughters

966
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: the favorite is because daughters are easier to raise. And

967
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,959
Speaker 2: then whold did I get a slew of text telling

968
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: me I'm we am I wrong?

969
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 27: Well, actually a lot of research shows that what we

970
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 27: ask of our girls is different to what we ask

971
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 27: of our sons. So I think it becomes a self

972
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 27: fulfilling prophecy. Like if you request more emotional and also

973
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 27: household labor from one of the kids, no matter which

974
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 27: gender they are, you're going to get that. So if

975
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 27: we know this based on data that we ask kids,

976
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 27: like sorry, we ask girls to help us out more

977
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 27: often than we ask our boys, and so of course

978
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 27: they're going to, you know, more often, deliver, and then

979
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 27: build a connection through that process. But I think we create.

980
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 2: That it's an us problem, all right, Joe, that's fascinating. Thanks, Mate,

981
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: A therapist and founder of Tricky Chats Parenting Ehither, I

982
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: don't believe Goldsmith or Luxon has the fortitude to deal

983
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: with the BSA. I I kind of agree with you, Dave,

984
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 2: but let's give, let's give, let's give gold to your chance.

985
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: When he's with us, he's with us. In fifteen minutes

986
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: five two.

987
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the days headlines, it's Heather dup Clan

988
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: Drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one else.

989
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: Youth talks, They'd be.

990
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 2: Huddle standing by Jordan Williams Mark Sainsbury where thus very

991
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: shortly before six o'clock. Right now it's twenty five past five. Now,

992
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 2: I'd like to know how you feel about the firefighters

993
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 2: and their strike, because I have gone from soft support

994
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 2: for the firefighters in the last few weeks to quite

995
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: hard support today. And what's tipped me is this kerfuffle

996
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 2: with the board pay I reckon, this has got to

997
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: be one of the most tone deaf things I've seen

998
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: in a very long time. The board has approved pay

999
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: rises for themselves of up to seventy nine percent. Meanwhile,

1000
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 2: the firefighters have been fighting and now striking for eighteen

1001
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 2: months just to get pay rises. While most of them

1002
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: apparently sit somewhere above the minimum wage but somewhere below

1003
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: the living wage, which is actually not a lot of

1004
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: money to pay people who go into burning buildings. If

1005
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: this board pay actually happens like it's supposed to, the

1006
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: board chair is going to be paid more than any

1007
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: standard firefighter on the base salary. One of them is

1008
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: out there fighting fires and risking their life, and the

1009
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: other one is running an organization badly. And that is

1010
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 2: important here because if there was a good track record

1011
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: that we could point to, a pay rise of this

1012
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: scale maybe justified or at least able to be explained.

1013
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: But this is a terribly run organization. These guys have

1014
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 2: not been able to settle a pay dispute for eighteen months.

1015
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: Fire trucks break down so regularly it is ridiculous and

1016
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: quite scary. Equipment is failing. They've just paid for a

1017
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: bunch of fire trucks that when they arrived into the

1018
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: country were too small to go to rescues because all

1019
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: of the equipment doesn't fit in. They spend five hundred

1020
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 2: thousand dollars on a chief executive and two point three

1021
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: seven million dollars on seven deputy chief executives. There are

1022
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: calls for a review inter Fens now because the place

1023
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: is so badly run Now, I'm always sympathetic to the

1024
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: argument that you need to pay decent rates to attract

1025
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: decent talent to run a place, but that is not

1026
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: what is about to happen here. We're simply going to

1027
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: be increasing the pay of the people who are already

1028
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: running the place quite badly. It is unreal that this

1029
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 2: is happening. But in a way, this is actually a

1030
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 2: gift to the striking firefighters, because if they haven't already

1031
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 2: got enough public support, surely us now seeing what kind

1032
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: of outfit these guys are dealing with, will garner some

1033
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: sympathy for their plight.

1034
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: Everden, All Birds are sold.

1035
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: Now, if you've followed the story, If you follow the

1036
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: story of All Birds, it's not altogether a surprise that

1037
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: it's been sold, because it is a company that has

1038
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: just gone from an amazing strength to just one difficulty

1039
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: after the other, difficulty after the other difficulty after the

1040
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: other one. You could just see this coming a mile off.

1041
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: It's being bought by the American Exchange Group, which is

1042
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 2: a brand management company that goes around acquiring underperforming consumer labels.

1043
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: This is a business, by the ways, that was once

1044
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 2: worth US four point two billion dollars but has sold

1045
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 2: for US thirty nine million, which is sixty nine million

1046
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 2: New Zealand dollars. So it's not you know, you take it,

1047
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: but ouch talk about that after six, As I say,

1048
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: Paul Goldsmith on the BSA.

1049
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: Nest Oh May the day's newsmakers talked to Heather first,

1050
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand and the

1051
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: power of satellite mobile news talks V Class Summer Calm,

1052
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: She's Harmmerca.

1053
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: Harder now km D brands. This is Katmandu. If you've

1054
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: been for yet another story of a business that's having

1055
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 2: a bit of a tough time, you know, business out

1056
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 2: of New Zealand. They've of course gone with the deeply

1057
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 2: discounted capital rays. We'll have a chat to milfitd Asset

1058
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: management about that after six o'clock. Right now, it's twenty

1059
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: five away from six and mil let's talk about the

1060
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: Because the Broadcasting Standards Authority has decided it is now

1061
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: in charge of the Internet, which means that it can

1062
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: now consider that complaint against Sean Plunkett show on the platform.

1063
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: Winston Peters is not happy, but.

1064
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 9: You've got heres from the BSA is rising bordering on

1065
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 9: fascist behavior.

1066
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 8: Thank they they should go, they should be abolished.

1067
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: Paul Goldsmith is the Broadcasting Minister and with us now,

1068
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: Hi Paul, Hello Heather, how are you very well? Thank you?

1069
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 2: You happy with us.

1070
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 12: With the decision. Look, it's not ultimately as a minister

1071
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 12: for me to make a judgment about their individual decisions.

1072
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 12: But the reality is that the legislation is out of date.

1073
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 12: There's no question about that sort of It was done

1074
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 12: in the early late eighties. It relates to a world

1075
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 12: where you just had broadcasting TV and broadcasting radio, and

1076
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 12: so there was a situation built up around that. Now,

1077
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 12: of course, the world has moved on and the boundary

1078
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 12: has got blurry. So we've got three options. Basically, we

1079
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 12: can just leave it as it is and let the

1080
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 12: BUSCA sort of work out where that boundary is. Or

1081
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 12: we could change the legislation to be clear about where

1082
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 12: the boundary is in relation to broadcasting and podcasts and

1083
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 12: things like that. Or we could just asks the BSA

1084
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 12: and say the world's moved on, let's just have a

1085
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 12: media council deal with media complaint And as a government,

1086
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 12: we haven't made a decision on that, but those are

1087
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 12: the three options, and so we need to sort of

1088
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 12: come to a conclusion on that as a government, and

1089
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 12: we haven't yet.

1090
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Speaker 2: We have talked to you about this for six months

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00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: and we've had exactly these three options in front of

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00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: us and waiting for you to make a decision. So

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00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: when do you make a decision.

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00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: Well, it was.

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Speaker 12: Interesting when I talked about the potential to just shut

1096
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 12: it down mister Peters a couple of months ago, he

1097
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 12: said no, no, I don't do that, and now he's

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00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 12: in favor of it, so you know he's changed to it.

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00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 12: Did he say why, Well, didn't want to throw out

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00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 12: the baby with the bath water, I think was the phrase.

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00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 12: And so look, I mean I think that this is

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00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 12: a this is a discussion we can have, but the

1103
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 12: reality is to do that, we need to legislate. And

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00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 12: as of talk to you many times, you know, we've

1105
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 12: got lots of priorities for legislation in this government. I'm

1106
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 12: focused on restoring law and order and a bunch of things.

1107
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 12: So there's a high threshold before we start legislating. And

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00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 12: I can understand that mister mister Plunkett is very exercised

1109
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 12: about this, and he obviously wants to take a lot

1110
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 12: of attention to it. But so tell me, tell me,

1111
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 12: tell me where the the fire is burning.

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00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: What does that mean? Where the fire is but inside

1113
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 2: my south?

1114
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 6: Well?

1115
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: Yes, is that what you mean?

1116
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 12: No, I mean you talked about that. They said that

1117
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 12: they're going to regulate the internet. That is not what

1118
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 12: they're saying. That is just nonsense. No, it's just there

1119
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 12: is a category of programs that are broadcast through the

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Speaker 12: internet it rather than through through the towers and broadcasting

1121
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 12: channels that we have in the past. That's what we're

1122
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 12: talking at about.

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00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: Which program is programs now fall within their purview.

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00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 12: Well, and and that is where the boundary is not clear.

1126
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 12: There's three or four things such.

1127
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 2: As are you, as a minister chill about this?

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Speaker 12: Well, I'm not chill about it. I'm just saying that

1129
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 12: the media the media that the legislation's out of date.

1130
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 12: But democracy is not going to collapse. And the democracy

1131
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 12: is not going to collapse in the meantime because see

1132
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 12: what's going.

1133
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: On here, like what is going on here is because

1134
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: they have now decided that that that anything in the

1135
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: wild west of the Internet is fair game for them.

1136
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Speaker 1: They haven't.

1137
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 12: They have not decided that you have, They have not

1138
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 12: decided that.

1139
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: I asked you to define what programs they have purview

1140
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 2: over now and you said you couldn't. So it literally

1141
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 2: is the whole internet? Then, no, it is not.

1142
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 12: The decision is absolutely clear that it does not relate

1143
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 12: to anything on demand. It does not relate to personal

1144
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 12: online content. Is talking about scheduled programs, which one and

1145
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 12: and well that's the thing. There are three or two

1146
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 12: or three that may be in that category. I agree

1147
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 12: it is untiedy, it's not podcasts, but it's not the

1148
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 12: number one issue of the of the government at the moment.

1149
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 2: But it is something that we should because you understand

1150
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 2: this is it podcasts.

1151
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 12: No, it's not not not I a podcast is not

1152
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 12: a scheduled program and that's.

1153
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: The best thing in the world. So if he does

1154
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 2: it basically live, he gets in trouble. But if he

1155
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: pre records it and puts it out as a podcast

1156
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: with more offensive stuff and it, he doesn't get in trouble.

1157
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: That stupid.

1158
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're right that the bound what are you doing?

1159
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 2: This is nonsense?

1160
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 12: You could shut it down, yes, and that is one

1161
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 12: of the options we're considering. Or you could try and about.

1162
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 2: It ridden by and letting this happen. I'll tell you

1163
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: what's going to happen here. The problem that happens is

1164
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: that this lot, who all will be most likely leaning

1165
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 2: towards a certain political inclination, will go through and go,

1166
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 2: I don't like that. We know, we'll take that one

1167
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 2: on them. We'll take because if we're going to start

1168
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 2: picking and choosing, we've got jurisdiction over Then they can

1169
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,479
Speaker 2: just start picking and choosing the things that they don't

1170
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 2: like and they start shunning that down, and that tilts

1171
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: the political scales, doesn't it.

1172
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 12: Well, it's interesting, and that is why I'm very open

1173
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 12: to the idea that its time has finished. You keep

1174
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 12: saying it, and we could say that, well, but the

1175
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 12: last time I had a conversation with on this, he said, no,

1176
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 12: don't do it. He's changed. Well, you know, you need

1177
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 12: the support of all three parties to do something, and

1178
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 12: so now.

1179
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: Said that, it's okay, Goldie. So are you're going to

1180
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 2: go back and talk to him and see if you

1181
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 2: can get it done before the election?

1182
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: I will, I will.

1183
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 24: Will.

1184
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 2: You don't believe there's no one's going to check up

1185
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: on you on this?

1186
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 12: Say uh, and yes, well, yes, I'm sure you will

1187
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 12: well look forward to having that conversation.

1188
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: Now, just so that this isn't utterly pointless. Are you

1189
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 2: still going to be the Media and Communications Minister tomorrow

1190
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 2: after the reshuffle?

1191
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 12: Well, Heather, I'm sure you'll be the first to know

1192
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 12: when the Prime Minister announced it to the so the

1193
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 12: nation tomorrow, haven't we all right?

1194
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: Goldie things, thanks very much, thanks for doing nothing in

1195
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 2: your entire time. There is the Media and Communications Minister.

1196
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: That's Paul Goldsmith. Nineteen away from six the Huddle with.

1197
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the only truly global brand.

1198
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 2: Jordan Williams, Taxpayers Union, Mark Sainsbury broadcast to high Lands.

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00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 23: How do you say?

1200
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 12: I hear that?

1201
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 2: Yes, so says are you clear on what's going? As

1202
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 2: clear as mud, isn't it?

1203
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: Oh?

1204
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,959
Speaker 24: It was a great interview actually because because she nailed

1205
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 24: it straight away that he keeps saying we've got these

1206
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 24: three options, which I've had for how long is it

1207
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 24: eight months? He's been talking about that.

1208
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 2: It's a long time.

1209
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 12: It just all up in the end, no one knows.

1210
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 24: The thing that I find disturbing about it is that

1211
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 24: it's a bit of you know, obviously major changes need

1212
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 24: to be made. It's an entirely different environment. But is

1213
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 24: it the BSA able just to dictate itself what it's

1214
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 24: going to do. Someone he's got to get in and

1215
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 24: sort this and sort the stuff out.

1216
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 2: It does It does feel a bit silly to be

1217
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 2: sitting there saying we're going to do something, We've got

1218
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 2: these three options, and do nothing about it while this

1219
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 2: thing rolls out. What do you think?

1220
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 23: That interview just demonstrates how weak as water the government

1221
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 23: is on anything to do with culture war issues. This

1222
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 23: isn't some indent. It's not you're not asking to pontificate

1223
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 23: on this a b say decision. It's jurisdictional. It's by

1224
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 23: definition posey must be bloody nice. Actually, it's incredible achievement

1225
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 23: really for Congaldie. One he gets paid only three hundred

1226
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 23: thousand dollars to sit on a fence. You know, I

1227
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 23: would all love that job. And two he's actually making

1228
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 23: Melissa Lee look good, which is what an impressive effort.

1229
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 8: It was just a fit.

1230
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 23: I mean, there's so many people, you know, call supporters,

1231
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 23: frustrated with the government, frustrated with the National Party. This

1232
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 23: is case in point. How you've had eight months to

1233
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 23: see this coming, and yet it's a little bit. It

1234
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 23: materially affects the tax Payers Union, so they'll be news

1235
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 23: to the minister. But we sometimes schedule our podcasts on

1236
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 23: the basis of this. The b saale come after us.

1237
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 23: How dear the tax Payers Union not be neutral and

1238
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 23: give all sides an equal hearing and things like that.

1239
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 23: But this guy's no pay him a decent amount. We

1240
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 23: schedule that we scheduled the jonesis a few weeks ago.

1241
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: It's alive live.

1242
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 2: Oh no, it was alive. Yeah, I know your stuffing scheduled. Yeah,

1243
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 2: and they weren't like you.

1244
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 19: It's fuck.

1245
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 23: We're paying you good money with an army officials around you,

1246
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 23: so you know, have a thought or two about policy matters,

1247
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 23: and instead he wastes You're two hundred thousand listeners. He

1248
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 23: just wasted their time saying, oh you know, we know

1249
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 23: I'm telling you anything more that I could have told

1250
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 23: you eight months ago. I've got some options. Yeah I

1251
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 23: could get rid of it, and oh you know, oh

1252
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 23: you know what could I do? I just what a waste?

1253
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 23: What it's worth?

1254
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 24: Oh I'm marrying him for Oh no.

1255
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 2: He's going to send the BSA after you. After that,

1256
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: absolutely will take a break. Come back to you guys.

1257
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: Sixteen away from six the.

1258
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, a name you

1259
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: can trust locally and globally.

1260
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: But you're back with the Huddle. Mark Sainsbury, Jordan Williams Saines.

1261
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 2: So how are you feeling about the alcohol laws? Has

1262
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 2: it passed? I think I'm going to pass by now

1263
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 2: alcohol rules. You can to get some booze on good Friday.

1264
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: Listen.

1265
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 24: I mean here that I'm old enough to remember when

1266
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 24: most stores couldn't, like dairies had to cover off half

1267
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 24: of what they had in stock on a Sunday because

1268
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 24: they weren't a less self certain items formula you could

1269
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 24: not buy on a Sunday. Ten ponds you could not

1270
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 24: buy it a Sunday. It was nuts and we started

1271
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 24: changing this, but there's been a few hangovers and it

1272
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 24: always sort of smacked a bit of you know, it

1273
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 24: was a sort of religious observance. Well we're gone past that.

1274
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 24: We're a secular society, so look, I think it's time

1275
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 24: to you know, I respect other people and how they

1276
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 24: choose to worship and whatever they want to do, but

1277
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 24: it doesn't mean that it has to capture the entire country.

1278
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is actually a good change. I

1279
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 2: mean you wanted to be hard to find somebody who

1280
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 2: thinks this is silly, right.

1281
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 23: Yeah, I think, And actually the stats show quite clearly

1282
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:58,919
Speaker 23: drinking culture has materially changed. Unfortunately, you know, young people

1283
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 23: are are not drinking meal as much, which is the

1284
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 23: i'd argue is a very terrible thing. It's huge social costs.

1285
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 23: But we all, you know, I like to go out

1286
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 23: on a winery or to a winery on Easter and

1287
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 23: things like that. It's not like the old six o'clocks. Well,

1288
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 23: so I think it's you know, a bit of relax

1289
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 23: a bit of relaxation. The law is fine. I do

1290
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 23: quite like the approach of antic day where it's only

1291
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 23: before midday on these sorts of things. But then people

1292
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 23: have performed me on old fogy for not being a

1293
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 23: total libertarian on this sort of stuff.

1294
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, because what I mean, what if somebody walks in

1295
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 2: at half past eleven for just a bit of an

1296
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 2: early lunch and then they can't have a beer. That's silly,

1297
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 2: isn't it.

1298
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 23: Not Everyone has your lifestyle, Heather, You know, I.

1299
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 2: Don't have that lifestyle. That's my aspiration. Once the children

1300
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 2: stop the naps at the midday, say so, tell me

1301
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 2: what you think about FENDS giving themselves as the board

1302
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 2: seventy nine percent pay increases.

1303
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: God, I hate to agree with you again, Heather, but

1304
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: you hit it totally right. Tone death.

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Speaker 24: Sure they had recommendations someone in the department to the minister,

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01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 24: but this is a dispute that's been going on for

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Speaker 24: eighteen months and they think it's a great idea to

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Speaker 24: announce sort of seventy nine forty something percent for the cheer.

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Speaker 1: Why this is on?

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Speaker 24: It is just I just cannot understand how they thought

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Speaker 24: the thing was going to run.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't get a Jordan. You guys the ones

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Speaker 2: at the Taxpayers Union calling for a review.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, we were onto this before FINS was even formed.

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01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 23: We said, look at Australia. They're unwinding their rural and

1316
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 23: urban fire services because the amalgamation was such a disaster.

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01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 23: The compromise we got back then it was the last

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01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 23: cockup of Peter Dunn when he was minister and it

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01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 23: got too far and the NATS couldn't unwind it. As

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Speaker 23: we managed to get them to agree that they do

1321
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Speaker 23: a post implementation review that has never happened. When Brook

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01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 23: first became Minister in Term Affairs, we wrote her and said, hey,

1323
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 23: that review that the public was promised hasn't happened. We

1324
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 23: think that, you know, we can demonstrate lots of different

1325
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 23: ways how inefficient Finds is and it's even worse than

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01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 23: those warnings and forecasts, and we've never had that review.

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01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 23: We should not only did FENS alienate the old.

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01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 3: Rural fire service by the sort of corporatization and the

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01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 3: big wigs, so they have now animated their own urban

1330
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 3: fire service by exactly the same thing, totally out of touch.

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Speaker 23: One of the most dysfunctional head officers in Wellington as fends.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, Jordan, do you see the Royal Morgan pole.

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Speaker 23: I've heard of this, I've heard of this, this, this

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01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 23: pole that only doesn't release their methodology and poles over

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01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 23: a whole month rather than within a few days.

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Speaker 2: But yes, okay, NAT's on twenty six and a half.

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01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 2: Should we be paying that attention or is this a rogue?

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01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 23: Well roy Morgan does bounce around more than the others.

1339
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 23: At the end of the day, there's only one pole

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Speaker 23: that counts I'm pretty sure it's out next week.

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Speaker 2: Is this your pole?

1342
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 23: Hear's rumors around Wellington of the whole nexting more the

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01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 23: field at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Saying so what do you think ignore the twenty six

1345
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 2: and a half or is it a thing?

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Speaker 24: Well looking at a look in context of the previous

1347
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 24: polls that came out, and remember everyone felt that there's

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01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 24: a drop of National was sort of an aberration. I

1349
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 24: I agree that you know their polo, I mean Poles, God,

1350
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 24: the poles just bag of the polls with Jim Bolger's

1351
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 24: famous range of course, I mean Jordan's right. I mean, well,

1352
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 24: the one pole it's really going to count.

1353
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 23: It is going to be.

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01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 24: It's going to be in November. But what it's going

1355
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 24: to be interesting to watch though, is these numbers start

1356
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 24: thinking You've had all these back benches sitting there thinking, oh,

1357
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 24: I quite like this job, but at this rate, I'm

1358
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 24: not going to be here after the fiction.

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01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 23: What can I do that's going to help me? Put

1360
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 23: the Minister of Broadcasting thinking the same thing, Well, VP

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01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 23: and National ought to be worried on.

1362
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 2: These Goldie Goldie loses his seat, but actually, after what

1363
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 2: he just got from me, I think he's happy to

1364
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 2: he won't be at all unabby guys, It's love chat.

1365
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 2: Do you, thank you so much? Enjoy your Easter weekend

1366
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 2: and the beers Jordan Williams and Mark Sainsbury. Right now,

1367
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 2: it's eight away from sex.

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01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper. See Alan Drive Full Show podcast

1369
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: on my Art Radio powered by News Talk z'b.

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Speaker 2: Hither The idea that young people drinking less is somehow

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01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 2: bad for sociability is absurd. You do not need alcohol

1372
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 2: to socialize. That is not a social skill. That is

1373
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 2: a dependency. Now look, look, I might be I kind

1374
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 2: of got what Jordan Williams was saying there. I actually

1375
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 2: understood here saying I tend to agree. I obviously agree

1376
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 2: with you that if you need alcohol in order to socialize,

1377
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 2: it is a problem and it is a dependency. But

1378
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 2: what's going on with young people at the moment is

1379
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 2: they are not The problem is not that they're not drinking.

1380
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 2: The problem is they are not leaving the house. That

1381
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 2: is the problem, and the drink the lack of drinking

1382
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 2: is a symptom of that they're not doing anything. They're

1383
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 2: not having sex with each other, they're not crashing their cars,

1384
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 2: they're not going out and having a good time. They're

1385
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 2: not going to parties, they're not drinking, they're not playing sport.

1386
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 2: They're sitting at home on their devices. So while I think, yep,

1387
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 2: brilliant that they're not drinking, problem is they're not doing

1388
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 2: it because they're just sitting at home and it's the

1389
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 2: old social media addiction which they're messing. You don't want

1390
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 2: that for your kid, right, You don't want your kid

1391
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 2: sitting in their bedroom Fridays and Saturday night. That's not

1392
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 2: normal and if that's happening, you need to rethink it

1393
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 2: because there's something funny going on with your kids there

1394
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 2: and they're becoming increasingly isolated. Here the brilliant interview with

1395
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 2: Goldie just now, this is obviously a tricky issue for

1396
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 2: him where he does not want to upset the lefties

1397
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 2: in his caucus, including the Prime Minister. Now Jordan is real.

1398
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 2: I don't want to furiously agree with Jordan, but he

1399
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 2: is right on this as well. This is part of

1400
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 2: the problem the Nats of God is they need to

1401
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 2: take some positions on things. Man that I know. You

1402
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 2: can't just be filling up your bandwidth with bloody everything,

1403
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 2: but you also can't just be for months on e

1404
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 2: and going. We've got three options and then you don't

1405
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: do anything with any of those options. Anyway, Listen, I've

1406
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: done a thing that I I feel like I'm going

1407
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 2: to possibly regret this. This is concert club related. So

1408
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 2: it's been a while since concert Club got together. So

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01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 2: I got in touch with the girls over the weekend

1410
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 2: and I said, hey, listen, should we go? Should we

1411
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 2: just we haven't seen each other? Age is should we

1412
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 2: just pick a concert and go to a concert? And

1413
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 2: well I had a look, and I didn't know anything,

1414
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 2: and I said, so do you want me to just look?

1415
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 2: There's the Mountain Goats are playing at the power station?

1416
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: Should we go there?

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01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 2: We like the power station? Should we go to the

1418
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 2: power station? And they said, yeah, let's do that. Okay,

1419
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 2: So I said great. So I got us three tickets

1420
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 2: to the Mountain Goats. So then I decided, probably a

1421
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 2: good idea to listen to the Mountain Goats. Never heard

1422
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 2: them before? Wholly while this is some self indulgent hipster

1423
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 2: indie rock played by a bunch of dads with long beards,

1424
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 2: and you know what I meant, lumberjack jackets. Do you

1425
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 2: know what you're getting the vibe here. It's got clarinets,

1426
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 2: it's got strings, it's got on the symbols. I don't

1427
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 2: let me read you a bit that I got that

1428
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 2: Aunt sent me from the website after I paid for

1429
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 2: the tickets. The Life of the World to Come is

1430
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 2: their sixth album for four AD. Whatever is a Slight

1431
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 2: is less a profession of their religious faith than an

1432
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 2: immersion immersion in Biblical poetry and imagery. The songs take

1433
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 2: their cues from verses that have either informed or inspired them.

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01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 2: Are they Christians?

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01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: Ants?

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01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 6: So?

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01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 17: I mean it sounds like it. Maybe they're really big

1438
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 17: fans of the Bible.

1439
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 2: Great, I might be going to a Christian rock gig

1440
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 2: and I didn't even know it.

1441
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 22: Anyway.

1442
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 2: If you like the Mountain go to please sell them

1443
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 2: to me, because what I'm hearing is just it's making

1444
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 2: me wonder if I've made a good life choice. Here

1445
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 2: Chris Keel with us next on Duberd's.

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Speaker 1: It's Beautiful says it. Oh, We're Business Who meets Insight

1447
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplessy Allen and Mass Insurance

1448
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: and Investments Your Futures in Good Hands, News Talks b.

1449
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 2: Evening coming up in the next hour Milford Asset Management

1450
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 2: on the KMD discounted Capital Rays have a chat to

1451
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 2: Jane tib Cherney on ASB breaching the AML the N

1452
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 2: money laundering and Gavin Gray will be with us out

1453
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 2: of the UK. Also news just in the easter boos

1454
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 2: law has passed sixty six to fifty six, so you're

1455
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 2: going to be able to get your bess on good Friday.

1456
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 2: Question of courses? Who are the fifty six people who

1457
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 2: didn't want to have Beerz's on Friday? Names we published

1458
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 2: at some stage coming up about past six. Now New

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01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 2: Zealand's own All Birds, the sustainable footwear company that was

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01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 2: founded by the all White Tim Brown, has sold. It's

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Speaker 2: had a few tough years, went for about sixty eight

1462
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,679
Speaker 2: million dollars, was once valued at seven billion. The Herald's

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01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 2: senior business writer, Chris Keel has watched its rise and

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01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 2: fall and joins us. Now, Hi, Chris, hey, are you

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01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 2: surprised that the value it went for?

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01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 28: No, It's been in a lot of trouble for a

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01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 28: couple of years. It's unfortunately almost been a textbook case

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01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 28: of things going wrong.

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Speaker 2: In what way?

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Speaker 28: I guess the overarching thing is that it's never been

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Speaker 28: able to make a profit. It's making sustainable shoes from

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01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 28: England Marino wool and recycled materials, but not at a

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01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 28: sustainable price, or at least a commercially sustainable price. It's

1474
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 28: just lost money quarter after quarter. And it's September quarter,

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01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 28: which turns out it will be the last one it'll

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Speaker 28: ever report. It made a net loss of twenty million

1477
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 28: of a revenue of thirty three million. So just not

1478
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 28: a sustainable business model is.

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Speaker 2: Part of the problem. Like, could this potentially have worked

1480
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 2: if they had more types of shoes, more styles that

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01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 2: were more fashionable, because it seems that was also part

1482
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 2: of the problem.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, there's a sort of a disaster front page Wall

1484
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 28: Street Journal story for them in twenty twenty three, it

1485
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 28: said All Birds were no longer the itchu Once upon

1486
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 28: a time, there's Barack Obama wearing them courtside, there's Leonardo DiCaprio,

1487
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 28: all very celebrity snapped wearing them. But Wall Street Journal

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01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 28: said fashion had moved on, and it quoted some pretty

1489
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Speaker 28: cruel tweets. One said the all Birds were now sweatpants

1490
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Speaker 28: for your feet. Another one called them crocs for tech bros.

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Speaker 28: And also another sort of quite damaging part of that

1492
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 28: article said, when you tried to go running in your

1493
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 28: All Birds in the rain, they just fell apart.

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Speaker 12: Was it was that I just wondered if that was

1495
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Speaker 12: actually true?

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01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 2: Have you got a pair of All Birds?

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Speaker 1: I did buy some running in the rain?

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Speaker 28: Well I didn't. I had a colleague he did all

1499
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 28: his all Birds that were that wet will smell didn't

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01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:38,719
Speaker 28: smell too good. But I mean I interviewed Tim Brown

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01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 28: a couple of years ago when his trip home to

1502
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 28: visitors parents, and we met at All Birds store on

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01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 28: the Auckland water front, and at the time he was

1504
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 28: trying to launch the All Birds tree runners. So obviously

1505
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 28: Eggs all white and Phoenix midfield are very fat. Guy,

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01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 28: were All Birds for quite hardcore runners. And I was

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01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 28: looking at the people in the shop behind us, and

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01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 28: they looked more like they'd come off the adjoining cruise ship.

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01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 28: That the people who are actually buying All Birds were

1510
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 28: more middle aged people. Even had an email today from

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01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 28: Brian Fellow, the Herald's retired economics column must He said

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01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 28: had bought six pairs, he just about to buy another.

1513
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 28: And it's just quite a demographic from.

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Speaker 2: What Kevin Milne loved them as well. He had he

1515
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 2: had a thousand different different types, so it was for

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01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 2: a certain certain age bracket. Act is part of the problem. Also,

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01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 2: it felt it feels like once they kind of became cool,

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01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 2: they just really expanded very quickly into bricks and mortar

1519
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 2: and a lot of bricks and watar did they did

1520
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 2: they expand too fast? Maybe?

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01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 28: I think they did. Unfortunately they're they're bricks and mortar

1522
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,719
Speaker 28: expansion are coincided with COVID, so that was bad timing.

1523
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 28: But they never managed to to sort of recover from that.

1524
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 28: They tried to expand into ath leisure, where, according to

1525
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 28: The Wall Street Journal, all Birds staff realized that a

1526
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 28: whole shipment of leaguings were actually see through, so they

1527
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 28: had to be dumped. That just didn't work out, and

1528
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,600
Speaker 28: so then they tried to do a retro reboot of

1529
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 28: their original shoes, but that didn't work out either.

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01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, just sounds like everything. Hey, listen, thank

1531
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 2: you very much, Chris, I really appreciate your time. Chris

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01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 2: Keil The Herald senior business writer Heather So it was

1533
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 2: sustainable but not sustainable, well, environmentally sustainable, but obviously economically

1534
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 2: not sustainable and as it turns out, in business you

1535
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 2: need both. However, however, I will say I'm not happy

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01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 2: to see the end of this business, and I hope

1537
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 2: that these guys, you know what they say about entrepreneurs,

1538
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 2: You have to have like about ten or fifty business,

1539
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 2: some ridiculous number fall over before you actually had the

1540
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 2: one that super successful and makes you incredibly wealthy. They've

1541
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 2: still got time and hopefully and great ideas. I'd imagine

1542
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:52,600
Speaker 2: hopefully they are still able to do it. Here are

1543
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 2: the numbers for you. Ends at X fifty down zero

1544
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 2: points sixty seven percent today, the ASX fifty is up

1545
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 2: one point ninety two percent today. That's so far. Obviously,

1546
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 2: A barrel of Brent crude costs one hundred and four

1547
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 2: US dollars. One New Zealand dollar is currently worth fifty

1548
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 2: seven cents, eighty three Australian cents, fifty eurosents, forty three

1549
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 2: UK pens and ninety one year thirteen plus six.

1550
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Speaker 1: It's the header duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

1551
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio, empowered by news dog Zeppi.

1552
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 2: Iran to the Iran will just quick update on that.

1553
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 2: Iran says that if any of more of its leaders

1554
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 2: are assassinated. It's going to target Apple, Google, Meta, Tesla

1555
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 2: businesses like that. Quarter past six with us.

1556
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 3: Now is.

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01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 2: Jeremy Hutton of Milford Asset Management.

1558
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: Jeremy, Hello, Hi Ever, how you doing?

1559
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 8: Sorry?

1560
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 2: I briefly forgot your name. How about that for being

1561
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,759
Speaker 2: on the whole life? Listen to talk to me about

1562
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 2: KMD Brands, Right, So they've had a deeply discounted capital

1563
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 2: raise on the cards. What's driven this?

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01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 29: Yeah, KMD Brands. That's the owner of some very well

1565
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 29: known retail brands like Catman Doo and surf brand Ripker,

1566
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 29: and they've had a fairly brutal spell and that's that's

1567
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 29: continued for a bit more with this capital raise on

1568
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 29: the cards. But effectively its debt position had become untenable

1569
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 29: and the leverage in the business was well above their

1570
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 29: target range. So the lenders have told them to get

1571
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 29: on out there and raise some equity and try pay

1572
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 29: down some of this excess debts. So the company is

1573
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 29: under pressure, but I suppose hopefully this takes up off

1574
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 29: a little bit of pressure in the short term for

1575
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 29: the business.

1576
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a business that has some really big

1577
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 2: household names as brands in there, So what has been

1578
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 2: going wrong for them?

1579
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 29: Yeah, it's come from multiple angle angles really over the

1580
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,719
Speaker 29: past few years. I mean, initially we had the COVID period,

1581
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 29: we had lockdowns, and then we had that high inflationary

1582
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 29: environment which was awful for costs, but arguably the company

1583
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 29: traded reasonably well through this period as consumer spending was

1584
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 29: still strong. But the next was a real crunch and

1585
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 29: that was obviously huge interest rate increases in New Zealand

1586
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 29: and that cyclical pressure coming through, and it really was

1587
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 29: a horrible retail operating environment. But then there's also some

1588
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 29: structural issues. There's intense competition in that outdoor category with

1589
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 29: mac Pack and Katmandu going head to head, and then

1590
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 29: then the surf category two in the key North American market.

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01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 29: I mean there's been a lot of competitive distress and

1592
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 29: some irrational behavior there as well. So you know, in summary,

1593
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,480
Speaker 29: the backdrop, you know, has led to a rapid deterioration

1594
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 29: in earnings. I mean, profits in twenty twenty one were

1595
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 29: over sixty five million, and earnings last year in twenty

1596
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 29: twenty five were negative twenty eight so a huge drop

1597
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 29: and unfortunately negative earnings are likely to stay negative for

1598
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 29: this year as well, So.

1599
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 2: It seems like it's quite a tough time to be

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01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 2: doing a capital raise. How's this going to go?

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01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 22: Yeah?

1602
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 29: It is with the global share market weakness, and I

1603
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 29: mean it just sort of highlights some of the risks

1604
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 29: that businesses have just trying to muddle through for a while,

1605
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 29: and then things can be going okay and then all

1606
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 29: of a sudden, a few things can go against you

1607
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 29: and it turns very quickly. In the km D business,

1608
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 29: I mean, it was starting to come under some stress.

1609
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 29: The market knew this, it got reflected in the share price,

1610
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 29: and then sort of outside of their control, You've had

1611
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 29: their own conflict in the background at the moment, and

1612
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 29: that sent financial markets into a tailspin. So you've had

1613
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 29: this situation of a distress company trying to raise capital

1614
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 29: and in a stressed market backdrop, and that is a

1615
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 29: bit of an ugly situation.

1616
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that Do you think why they priced the

1617
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 2: raise so low?

1618
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1619
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 29: I mean it was a whopping discount and it had

1620
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 29: to be offered to get investors in the market interested

1621
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 29: in the rays. The offer price is six cents. I mean,

1622
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 29: it's almost a seventy percent discount to the last closed price,

1623
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 29: but for longer term investors has been even more painful.

1624
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,719
Speaker 29: I mean the share price was at a dollar fifty

1625
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 29: dollars sixty back in twenty twenty one, so those investors

1626
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 29: have been pretty much wiped out over the past five years.

1627
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 2: Do you think that this is the bottom for km D,

1628
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 2: the business and the share price.

1629
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 29: Yeah, it's interesting. I mean it is at a real

1630
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 29: low point. I mean they released their financial results. There

1631
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 29: were a few green shoots in there, I mean off

1632
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 29: a low base. I mean profits were still negative as

1633
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,719
Speaker 29: I mentioned earlier, but getting less bad. So I suppose

1634
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 29: moving in the right direction. But you know, it's going

1635
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 29: to continue to be a very hard slog for the

1636
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 29: business and particularly in the retail environment, if this Middle

1637
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 29: Eastern conflict drags on and consumer confidence continues to fall.

1638
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1639
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 2: Good stuff, Hey, Jeremy, thank you so much. Enjoy Easter weekend.

1640
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 2: That's Jeremy Hutton Milford Asset Management here. That my partner

1641
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 2: sells all birds, and the complaint returning customers have is

1642
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 2: that they keep changing the styles and the customers want

1643
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 2: to keep buying the same pairs. M Well, hm, I

1644
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 2: mean that may well be the case, but that's not

1645
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 2: how the other shoe brands run the situation? Is it like,

1646
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 2: how long did we have to wait for the Nike

1647
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 2: air flipping and blah blah whatever is to come back.

1648
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. That was like nine to thirty years,

1649
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 2: wasn't it? They just kept updating this. Normally a shoe

1650
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 2: outfit will make the difference style. It will just keep

1651
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 2: changing the stars. And so my wrong, You're more into

1652
01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 2: shoes than me, isn't.

1653
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 17: That what happened? I'm really not into shoes. We would

1654
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 17: need Darcy water Grove for this way.

1655
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 2: What are you wearing? I'm wearing Oh, Chuck Taylors. Yeah

1656
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:07,640
Speaker 2: he doesn't know anything.

1657
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 17: But yeah, I don't think I've ever bought the same point.

1658
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, Darcy's out there, Darcy By Darcy spends

1659
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 2: all of his money on shoes. All of his disposable

1660
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 2: cash goes on shoes. He basically lives in a tent

1661
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 2: because he's got no money. So I'll dash out there

1662
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:21,560
Speaker 2: during the ad break and I'll ask him if a

1663
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 2: normal shoe company just keeps on updating the shoes every

1664
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 2: single season and gives us new ones and then occasionally

1665
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 2: brings the retro on and it one's and if that

1666
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 2: works better, heither. I just listened to the Mountain Goats. Yeah,

1667
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 2: that last of thirty seconds. I hope the Easter alcohol

1668
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 2: legislation goes through so you can at least have a

1669
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 2: beer at the concert. She she gonna need it. Well, yeah,

1670
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 2: thank you. I clearly am. It's quite self indulged in

1671
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 2: as it's a little bit like, look, I last my

1672
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 2: brother did some sort of like jazz. He did one

1673
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 2: of those jazz courses at tertiary level, and that's where

1674
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 2: they really like, they start doing interlocking things and there's

1675
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 2: no normal people like you, and I lose sense of

1676
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 2: water is going on. You feel like you're in some

1677
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 2: sort of time warp where they're all doing things with

1678
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 2: different instruments that's supposed to sound like music and it

1679
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 2: really doesn't. And I lasted, I reckon an hour and

1680
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 2: a half in that concert, so I can do the

1681
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 2: Mountain Goats. But also it's not going to be at Easter,

1682
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 2: it's going to be the following week, so you're gonna

1683
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 2: hear me moaning about it for about eight days before

1684
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 2: it actually happens. Six twenty one.

1685
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all

1686
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: on the business hour with hand the dup slur and

1687
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 1: mas insurance and investments. Your futures in good hands, US

1688
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 1: talks vvy.

1689
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 2: Here's the answer. The shoes that Darcy and I both

1690
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 2: like are the Nike Airmax nineties. They were released in

1691
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety for the first time, and then from the

1692
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:46,520
Speaker 2: mid nineties until about the early to mid two thousands,

1693
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 2: production slowed and they didn't make them at all. They

1694
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 2: weren't very white. Not they did make a little bit

1695
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 2: of them, but they weren't really widely available. And in

1696
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 2: the late two thousands they realized people like them and

1697
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 2: they started making them regularly, and they reissued them every

1698
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 2: single year. By the sounds of things in different colour waves.

1699
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 2: So there you go, six twenty four. Now I've got

1700
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 2: another case of the local body counselors that you and

1701
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 2: I pay for behaving like children. Last time I told

1702
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 2: you about this, we were talking about the complaint about

1703
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 2: the South Way kado mare. Do you remember that That

1704
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 2: was when he went on Facebook and used the poo

1705
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 2: emoji and the other ones. We're like, you're not lad

1706
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 2: he is the perm Maggie. We're telling on you this time.

1707
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 2: It's in the cargol So. On February the third, the

1708
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 2: Deputy Mayor Grant Dermody went to a Rugby Park stakeholders

1709
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 2: event and he apparently directed foul language at a council staffer,

1710
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 2: saying you effing dick or or you're a dickhead. No

1711
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,680
Speaker 2: one's sure. The council was so upset about this, sty

1712
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 2: upset they got an independent investigation done cost them thirty

1713
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 2: three thousand dollars. You happy about this in Vicargo rate

1714
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 2: payers thirty three thousand dollars to find out what he said.

1715
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 2: It found he breached the council's cold of a code

1716
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 2: of conduct. Now that in and of itself is silly

1717
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 2: enough that you're nacking on a fully grown man for

1718
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 2: maybe using an expletive, I mean, honestly, grow up. But

1719
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 2: it gets worse because the staff member never heard this,

1720
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 2: and the complaint was lodged by a counselor who was

1721
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 2: not even in attendance. Ian Pottinger and everyone else who

1722
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 2: did hear what he said and was in attendance said

1723
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 2: he didn't say that. He said, that's ridiculous, in a

1724
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 2: frustrated tone. On Tuesday, the majority of counselors determined the

1725
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 2: Council's Code of conduct had not been materially breached at

1726
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 2: a special meeting held to discuss the matter, and big

1727
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 2: shout out goes to Councilor Lisa Toe McNaughton, who expressed

1728
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,480
Speaker 2: disappointment over the time and the money and the resources

1729
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 2: that was wasted in doing this. Quite right, because you're

1730
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:36,919
Speaker 2: all adults.

1731
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 1: There's no business like show business.

1732
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 2: Embarrassing?

1733
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:43,640
Speaker 11: Is this?

1734
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 1: You know who?

1735
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 2: Mattie Healy is a He's the lead singer of the

1736
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:50,679
Speaker 2: band nineteen seventy five. He's also an ex of Taylor Swift.

1737
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 2: She wrote the song Tortured Poets About Him. The whole

1738
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 2: album actually Tortured Poets about him. His mum is Denise Welch,

1739
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 2: who's a TV personality bit of a UK icon, best

1740
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 2: known for Loose Wad, which is the UK's version of

1741
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 2: the View Well. Mummy got upset on Matty's behalf and

1742
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 2: hit up on the Twitter London's Brent Counsel. She said, Hi,

1743
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 2: Brent Counsel at Brent Counsel, you haven't emptied my son's

1744
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 2: bins in three weeks. Any attempts at due process have failed.

1745
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 2: He tried to talk to a collector who called him

1746
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,839
Speaker 2: ac dot dot dot see you next Tuesday and brackets.

1747
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 2: Can you let me know how we move forward? Well,

1748
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 2: the internet quite rightly went wild, didn't it. When user

1749
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 2: wrote please, please please let this be about Matty Heirley's bins.

1750
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 2: Another one said imagine wants dating Taylor Swift and then

1751
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 2: needing your mum to tweet the council to get your

1752
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 2: bins collected. The best part is that the council did

1753
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 2: reply and said, Hi, Denise, we're very sorry to hear

1754
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 2: about your son's experience. If you could DM us the address,

1755
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 2: we will look into this as a matter of urgency.

1756
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 2: So what's the like lesson in this? Everybody, even if

1757
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 2: they're famous, needs their bins collected, and if their bins

1758
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 2: aren't collected, they all go squealing to mummy. And some

1759
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 2: mummies are Karen's. She native strain is with us.

1760
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 1: Next, everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business

1761
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 1: hour with hander Duper Clan and mass insurance and investments.

1762
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 1: Your futures in good hands, used talks 'b.

1763
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 2: We could last teacher, last future retreat, last teacher, right,

1764
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 2: you havn't Gray is going to be with us shortly

1765
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 2: out of the UK. Right now, it's twenty five away

1766
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 2: from seven. Now a SB is facing a fine of

1767
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 2: around six million dollars for breaching anti money laundering rules.

1768
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,719
Speaker 2: This is called the attention of The Herald's Wellington Business editor,

1769
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 2: Genative Trainer, who's with us? Hello, Jane, Hi, Heather. What

1770
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:54,599
Speaker 2: a remarkable thing that this has happened to ASB given

1771
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 2: that they surely would have all kinds of safeguards and places,

1772
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 2: wouldn't they.

1773
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 30: Well, you'd think so because March has been made of

1774
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 30: these anti money, money laundering and countering the financing of

1775
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 30: terrorism laws. So New Zealand is part of an international regime. Basically,

1776
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 30: banks need to make sure that any money they take

1777
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:14,719
Speaker 30: in they need to know exactly where that's coming from

1778
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 30: because they can't be sort of complicit in money laundering

1779
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 30: or you know where it could be like the drug

1780
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 30: trade or going again, transferring money that's against sanctions. So

1781
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,640
Speaker 30: you know, banks have kind of the spotlight has been

1782
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 30: on banks for some years. It's been so much so

1783
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 30: that they've sort of blanket de risked, that's what the

1784
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 30: industry calls it, where they've said we're not doing any

1785
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 30: business with money remitters or nothing to do with cryptocurrency

1786
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,679
Speaker 30: because of these, you know, because we have to comply

1787
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 30: with these anti money laundering rules. But as it's turned out,

1788
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 30: the Reserve Bank took ASP to court, ASP acknowledges you

1789
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 30: know that it's done the wrong thing by law because

1790
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 30: it hasn't had the right systems in place since at

1791
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 30: least twenty nineteen. Wow, So you know, it is a

1792
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 30: rafter things that didn't have the right compliance program, didn't

1793
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:11,600
Speaker 30: do sufficient due diligence, didn't terminate business relationships as required,

1794
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 30: and the money that went through ASP that wasn't properly

1795
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 30: checked was you know, transactions worth about ten billion dollars.

1796
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 2: So why do we know why they were so sloppy?

1797
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 30: Well, it's a good question. I suppose these systems are

1798
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 30: expensive and cumbersome. The industry will say that the act

1799
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 30: is not fit for purpose, that it's too clunky, and

1800
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 30: that it actually you know, doesn't support the economy because

1801
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:41,679
Speaker 30: you hear from businesses who say they have to jump

1802
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 30: through so many hoops in order to get a bank

1803
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 30: to bank them. So that's what their argument would be.

1804
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 30: The thing that struck me with this is that the

1805
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 30: penalty six point seven million dollars isn't a lot of

1806
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 30: money for a bank if you think of breaches that

1807
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 30: go all the way back to twenty nineteen, and you know,

1808
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 30: under an act that is supposedly so heavy handed that

1809
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 30: it's you know, caused banks to stop banking a whole

1810
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 30: bunch of businesses, including sort of entire sectors. So I

1811
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 30: think that the question this raises as well, is the

1812
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 30: Act actually entirely fit for purpose? And are these penalties

1813
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 30: large enough to encourage banks to put the right systems

1814
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 30: in place, because you know, seven, yeah, six million dollars

1815
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 30: is not much, not much money for a bank.

1816
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 2: Quite yeah, you're almost I'm not saying this is the case,

1817
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 2: but you'd almost be incentivized to just take the fine

1818
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 2: so you don't have to actually do all the red tape.

1819
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 2: I thought that there was some sort of like I

1820
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 2: might be imagining it, but I thought that there was

1821
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 2: some sort of moves afoot to maybe have a look

1822
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 2: at the AML and deal with it.

1823
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 30: Am I am, I right, You're right, there are moves afoot,

1824
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 30: and I'm not sure exactly what that would mean for banks.

1825
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,679
Speaker 30: I think the spotlight has been on banks most heavily

1826
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,640
Speaker 30: so under the new rules. If you're an accountant or

1827
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 30: lawyer or real estate agent, you know you have to

1828
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:06,560
Speaker 30: make sure that your client's money is clean basically. But

1829
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 30: where the rubber really hits the road is where the bank,

1830
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 30: because the bank transacts the money. So my belief is,

1831
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 30: even if the rules are made a bit easier, the

1832
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 30: owners is still largely on the bank. So I guess

1833
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 30: for the bank to end up in court is quite

1834
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 30: a big deal. This has only ever happened as well

1835
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:28,000
Speaker 30: with TSP. It found itself in court. I think it

1836
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 30: was fined about three million dollars for its breaches. It's

1837
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 30: a bit more money. TSP is a smaller bank, but

1838
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 30: I think I'm still trying to get my head around

1839
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 30: why banks are so risk averse when the penalty is

1840
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:44,600
Speaker 30: so low. Yes, And the difficulty with this head is

1841
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 30: to get anyone to talk to you about it is

1842
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 30: hard because all the lawyers in the country, whoever real

1843
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 30: expertise in this area, have clients who are banks. So

1844
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 30: it's an issue that the people in the know are

1845
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 30: very kind of hesitant to talk about it.

1846
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 2: I love that, you know, Thank you very much. When

1847
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 2: we may never find out. Jane Tibscherani, the Herald's Wellington

1848
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:05,640
Speaker 2: Business editor. It's twenty one away from seven.

1849
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 1: Heather Do for Sea Alan.

1850
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 2: Remember I was talking to Nichola Willis a couple of

1851
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,759
Speaker 2: days ago on Monday, and I asked her about the grower,

1852
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 2: the pea grower in Hastings, saying he was only making

1853
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,679
Speaker 2: the small amount on a cag of peas and somewhere

1854
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 2: along the Chiney he was selling them for a dollar

1855
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 2: seventy a cage, and then they were popping up on

1856
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 2: the McCain in the McCain's baggie on the shelves for

1857
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 2: five dollars seventy nine and who was making the buck?

1858
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 2: And Nicholas had go talk to the supermarkets well, and

1859
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 2: this was a pack and safe product. So we got

1860
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 2: in touch with Chris Quinn from food Stuff and like

1861
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 2: I told you, hey, he's a good dude. So he's

1862
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 2: going to be on the show with us tomorrow at

1863
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 2: some statch. What did we decide? What time did we decide?

1864
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,719
Speaker 2: Kere was six o'clock, Yeah, just after the six o'clock bullets,

1865
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 2: and he'll come on. We have a little China waggy

1866
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 2: about that. See if we can get to the bottom

1867
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 2: of what's going on there? What about this for bad luck?

1868
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 2: So Angus Taylor, the opposition leader over in Australia, was

1869
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 2: on his way to a joint coalition press conference and

1870
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 2: at the press conference he was going to call on

1871
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 2: the Albanese government to have the fuel ex size so

1872
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 2: people could get an their cars and drive around the place.

1873
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:03,560
Speaker 2: And he walked outside and his car wasn't there. His

1874
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 2: car was stolen. Somebody stole Angus Taylor's car. This happened

1875
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 2: on March twenty seven. What's today? Yeah, I can't be

1876
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 2: bothered working it out anyways, sometime this week. No, no,

1877
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 2: this is not an April fool's joke. It's not an

1878
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 2: April fool's joke.

1879
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:18,600
Speaker 17: No, I'm telling you what day it is.

1880
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 2: I know, but I can't be bothered working out when

1881
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 2: the twenty seventh was. What was that Sunday? I think

1882
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 2: it was. I don't know. Maybe anyway, thank you ans

1883
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 2: for that. It was stolen on March the twenty seventh

1884
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 2: from the Inner South and then it was located in

1885
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 2: the North Canberra suburb of Turner later that day, so

1886
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 2: he got it back. I wouldn't like to know what

1887
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:38,560
Speaker 2: state it was in now. Back in the day, this

1888
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 2: half hour of the program was known as zombie Hour

1889
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 2: because things would get a little bit loose.

1890
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 17: Friday Friday was the twenty seventh.

1891
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 2: Oh thank you Friday was the twenty seventh, so it

1892
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 2: would get a bit loose. It's got a bit loose

1893
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:49,599
Speaker 2: now because.

1894
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 17: I ask you completely. I'm like, what we're doing today.

1895
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm giving you some stuff and I'm only giving

1896
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:54,560
Speaker 2: you half the youwn I'm not even really caring what

1897
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 2: day I'm talking about. So you know, you can see

1898
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 2: why this was called zombie Hour. I have got a

1899
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 2: zombie story for you for Zombie Hour. It's about zombie filler. Again,

1900
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 2: this is not an April Fool's joke. This is legit.

1901
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 2: There is a product called alo Clay, which is the

1902
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 2: latest cosmetic surgery rage. The actual name for aller clay

1903
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 2: is cadaveric adipose tissue. Excuse me, cadaveric adipose tissue as

1904
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 2: in fat harvested from a corpse. Yes, this is how

1905
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 2: nutty people are getting and trying to look good. What

1906
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:32,639
Speaker 2: they do is somebody dies, obviously a donor. Like, it's

1907
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 2: not gonna be some random person that you find is

1908
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 2: gonna be a donor. They take the fat out of them,

1909
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 2: out of the person, they sterilize it, they put into tubes,

1910
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 2: and then they rebrand it. So it's like they're not

1911
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 2: not a lot of value add going on here. They're

1912
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 2: just sterilizing the fat, putting it in tubes. They're rebranding

1913
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 2: it as a substance called alo clay. And what they

1914
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 2: do with that is they reinject it into areas that

1915
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:56,599
Speaker 2: require a little bit more lift. So if you looking

1916
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 2: like you want a little bit of the Brazilian but

1917
01:30:58,400 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 2: you could just get a lot of those tubes of

1918
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 2: alle play, chuck it and they got a bit of lift.

1919
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 2: For women, it's the lips and the breasts and the buttocks,

1920
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 2: and in men it is often the picks and the

1921
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 2: biceps and the carves, unless, of course, your Christy nomes husband,

1922
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:16,680
Speaker 2: in which case it's the women's list that he's going for.

1923
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:18,679
Speaker 2: But how weird is that zombie filler?

1924
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 14: So there you go.

1925
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 2: If you're thinking, Jesus, run out of weird things I

1926
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 2: can do to my body, here's another one for you.

1927
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 2: Seventeen away from seven.

1928
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 1: Ever, it's to do with money. It matters to you

1929
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 1: the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and Mass Insurance

1930
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: and investments, Your futures in good hands, us talks.

1931
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:40,599
Speaker 2: I'd be just a little thing I saw earlier today.

1932
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:43,639
Speaker 2: Infrastructure New Zealand has put out a statement today round

1933
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:46,599
Speaker 2: about one o'clock this afternoon sort of just saying something

1934
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 2: along the lines and I'm not quote at quoting verbatim

1935
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 2: because I'm telling you by memory, but saying something along

1936
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 2: the lines of would hate to see infrastructure projects in

1937
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 2: this country canceled because of what is going on in

1938
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 2: the Middle East. That would not have been put out

1939
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Speaker 2: for no reason. So I think just keep an eye

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Speaker 2: on that, because I have a sneaky little suspicion that

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Speaker 2: this particular government and the Transport Minister in particular, Chris Bishop,

1942
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Speaker 2: may be looking for some excuses to cut some of

1943
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Speaker 2: those transport projects that are proving too expensive, especially now

1944
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Speaker 2: that we're not going to have the fuel excised text

1945
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Speaker 2: go up next year. Keep an eye on it. Fourteen

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Speaker 2: away from seven Gavin Gray UK correspondence with me Hi

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Speaker 2: Gevin Hi. They have right, what's the fallout from the

1948
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Speaker 2: car that was driven into pedestrians and derby.

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Speaker 14: Well, we're expecting a thirty six year old man to

1950
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Speaker 14: appear in court now, but we are understanding that it

1951
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Speaker 14: is definitely not being treated as an act of terrorism. So,

1952
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Speaker 14: right on a busy Saturday evening period at the weekend,

1953
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Speaker 14: a car drove through crowds of people right in the

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Speaker 14: heart of Derby when it would have been extremely busy

1955
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Speaker 14: with those out and enjoying the weekend, and this black

1956
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Speaker 14: Suzuki Swift basically crashed into a number of people. There

1957
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Speaker 14: were seven seriously hurt and everybody of course very concerned

1958
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Speaker 14: that it might have been something else. But instead we

1959
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Speaker 14: now know that Sandu Ponachan, who is from Derby and

1960
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Speaker 14: originally from India, du Beifore magistrates shortly charged with six

1961
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Speaker 14: counts of grievous bodily harm with intent, one count of

1962
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Speaker 14: attempted grievous bodily harm with intent, one count of danger

1963
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Speaker 14: driving and also possession of a bladed article.

1964
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Speaker 1: Still no idea on what the various.

1965
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Speaker 14: Motives might have been for this, but yeah, they are

1966
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Speaker 14: now definitely ruling out a terrorism incident.

1967
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Speaker 23: Hey, what's the.

1968
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Speaker 2: Problem with a man kissing a woman's hand?

1969
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Speaker 12: Ah, slightly more complicated than it may seem.

1970
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Speaker 14: This one yes, I'm bearing in mind that it is

1971
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Speaker 14: April Fool's Day here, of course, but yeah, just being

1972
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 14: slightly an unusual story. So this dates back to twenty

1973
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Speaker 14: twenty three Heather. A man approaches a woman at a

1974
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Speaker 14: bus stop in Madrid, Spain. He kisses her hand, but

1975
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Speaker 14: then makes gestures to suggest that she follow him and

1976
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Speaker 14: that he would pay for her Now. A court found

1977
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Speaker 14: the man guilty of sexual assault and find him roughly

1978
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Speaker 14: three thousand New Zealand dollars. A sanction upheld in Madrid's

1979
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Speaker 14: provincial tribunal, but the convicted man took the case to

1980
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Speaker 14: the Supreme Court. He said, look, there was no violence

1981
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Speaker 14: or intimidation. He said it happened in broad daylight. Yes,

1982
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Speaker 14: she might have felt bother that she might even have

1983
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Speaker 14: been offended as a victim of an intrusion into her

1984
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Speaker 14: comfort zone. But he said there was never a risk

1985
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Speaker 14: for her sexual integrity. He said it also took place

1986
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Speaker 14: virtually outside a police station. Well, his legal team said

1987
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Speaker 14: his actions constituted a lesser crime of harassment. But no,

1988
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Speaker 14: they said, the fact that you kissed her hand and

1989
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Speaker 14: took her hand without consent is a clear and obvious

1990
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Speaker 14: sexual connotation. Spain, a country really really wrestling at the

1991
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Speaker 14: moment with consensual sex and also with it with male

1992
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Speaker 14: female relationships.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, all right, So the forty million dollars the UK

1994
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Speaker 2: is paying Francis to patrol the beaches is the.

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Speaker 14: For the next two months, and lots of people thinking

1996
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 14: what are we getting back for this? So over the

1997
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Speaker 14: years France has paid, sorry, the UK has paid France

1998
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Speaker 14: more than a billion New Zealand dollars for extra patrols

1999
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Speaker 14: to disrupt migrants smuggling gangs. Now the French are supposed

2000
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:17,639
Speaker 14: to be doing this anyway, but apparently we've been paying

2001
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Speaker 14: all this money for them to do more of it,

2002
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 14: and plenty of people suspect that actually they're not doing

2003
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 14: very much more for that amount of money, And indeed

2004
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 14: opposition parties have said that the existing agreement is absolute nonsense. Anyway,

2005
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Speaker 14: it expired almost seven hours ago now in midnight our time,

2006
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Speaker 14: and there's all sorts of talk, you know, is it

2007
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 14: going to be renewed, is it going to be scrapped,

2008
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 14: what's going to go on? Well, at the moment, all

2009
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 14: they're doing is just extending it for two months at

2010
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 14: a cost of forty million New Zealand dollars and again

2011
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:50,439
Speaker 14: people saying, what we're paying that much for just this

2012
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 14: extra period of time. You know what proof is there

2013
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 14: this is having any effect. We're still getting you know,

2014
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 14: record numbers of asylum seekers, forty two thousand illegal migrants

2015
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 14: getting on boats, mostly from France across in the last year.

2016
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Speaker 14: People are just saying, this is utter loudness.

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Speaker 2: Does sound like it? Gavin, Thank you very much, appreciate it.

2018
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Speaker 2: Enjoy your Easter weekend. It's Kevin Gray, our UK correspondent.

2019
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Speaker 2: Is kissing of the hand sexual assault? Or is it

2020
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Speaker 2: just patronizing? Because I would I'd put it. I'm asking

2021
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:22,600
Speaker 2: that question of it's a leading question. I think it's patronizing.

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01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:24,800
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you I'm not gonna name names. I'm

2023
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 2: not gonna name names. But I have a friend who

2024
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 2: worked which is an alarming, alarming revelation by in and

2025
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 2: of itself. But I have a friend who worked in

2026
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:36,320
Speaker 2: politics for some time, and she loves telling the story

2027
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 2: about how she was in a room with a group

2028
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Speaker 2: of men and somebody who you absolutely know and almost

2029
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 2: certainly dislike, who is no longer in the public service,

2030
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:48,560
Speaker 2: came into the room and greeted everybody. It was a

2031
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 2: meet and greet and greeted everybody shook all the hands

2032
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Speaker 2: of the men got to her and said on chante

2033
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 2: and then kissed her hand. She was flipping out afterwards.

2034
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Speaker 2: She's furious because she was like, I am the equivalent

2035
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:03,599
Speaker 2: of everybody in this room. All of the blokes were.

2036
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 2: In fact, she's the boss of some of the blokes.

2037
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 2: All of them got a handshake, she got an on schronte. Anyway,

2038
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:11,280
Speaker 2: a year went past and some of the crew changed

2039
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:12,560
Speaker 2: and they had to have another meet and greet and

2040
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:15,200
Speaker 2: guess what, old mate came round again. There was one

2041
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:17,639
Speaker 2: woman in the room and he on schroontade her too.

2042
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:22,719
Speaker 2: So if you are the man that I am talking about,

2043
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:24,600
Speaker 2: you need to stop doing it. But if you are

2044
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 2: one of the men who like to do that, don't

2045
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 2: do it no more because the ladies don't love it.

2046
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:29,639
Speaker 2: We like to talk about it behind your back.

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01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:33,559
Speaker 7: Nine Away from seven, it's the Heather too for see

2048
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 7: allan Drive full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by news

2049
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 7: Talk zeb.

2050
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 2: Hey, do you want to hear something a bit saucy

2051
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 2: and juicy. So there's a new biography which is coming

2052
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:47,839
Speaker 2: out shortly called Queen Elizabeth I written by Hugo Vickers

2053
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 2: and he Reckons and has biography that by the end

2054
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,720
Speaker 2: of Prince Philip's life Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip had

2055
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:56,560
Speaker 2: effectively separated. He wrote, the Queen let the Duke do

2056
01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 2: exactly as he pleased. He was at his happiest at

2057
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 2: wood Farm on the s Sandring, a mistake. From time

2058
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 2: to time Queen went up by training to Norfolk to

2059
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 2: stay the weekend, as in like most of the time,

2060
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 2: she wasn't there with him. Once again she gave him

2061
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:14,040
Speaker 2: a loose rein in a sense they had separated. Philip

2062
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 2: spent time reading, painting and carriage driving, and was frequently

2063
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 2: joined by his friend Penelope Natchbulle, which was apparently platonic ants.

2064
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:24,840
Speaker 17: I love a bit of carriage writing and painting. It

2065
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,559
Speaker 17: sounds like a great time. So an update.

2066
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:29,800
Speaker 26: On yesterday, we were talking about the song The Power

2067
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 26: of Love, the Selindon version, but also this is of

2068
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 26: course the one that Marcus Lush will always start.

2069
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:36,600
Speaker 2: Every hour of Marcus sol frustratingly.

2070
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:39,639
Speaker 26: But yeah, and hither was saying, oh, it's really frustrating.

2071
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:41,280
Speaker 26: You don't get to hear the whole song. Well, they

2072
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 26: actually don't play the Selindon version on nights they played

2073
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:46,719
Speaker 26: the original, which is by Jennifer Rush. And Jennifer Rush's

2074
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:48,720
Speaker 26: birthday is on September the twenty eighth, So if you're

2075
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 26: not aware already, on September the twenty eighth every year,

2076
01:38:52,120 --> 01:38:54,719
Speaker 26: or if it's not on a weekday, on the Friday,

2077
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:57,639
Speaker 26: it's closest to it. Marcus Lush always plays the full

2078
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 26: version of the Power of Love. If you really want

2079
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,000
Speaker 26: to hear the full version of that song on Marcus's show,

2080
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:05,320
Speaker 26: I'm telling you you can tune in on Monday, September

2081
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 26: twenty eighth this year between eight the end of the night.

2082
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:10,680
Speaker 2: Is this like a really deep in joke. We're number one?

2083
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:12,560
Speaker 2: You have to know that the original singer of the

2084
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:14,479
Speaker 2: song is Jennifer Rush, and then you have to know

2085
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 2: her birthday.

2086
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 26: Does he at least explain this to I imagine he

2087
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:19,760
Speaker 26: probably does. Yes, So it's been happening for years as well,

2088
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:21,160
Speaker 26: so long time listeners to the show.

2089
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 2: All over And why do they end it? Why do

2090
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 2: they end it?

2091
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 26: Well, because then the next line is because I am

2092
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:28,560
Speaker 26: your lady and Marcus Lush is the lady he's not

2093
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:29,600
Speaker 26: anybody's lady, So.

2094
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 2: I really feel like he doesn't have to get hung

2095
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 2: up on that.

2096
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 14: Just need to go.

2097
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:34,360
Speaker 26: If you listen to the lyrics up to that point, though,

2098
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 26: they do basically sum up what you know. Night Show

2099
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:38,439
Speaker 26: is all about. Marcus Lush is there? Well, you know

2100
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 26: no better way where I am. I'm always by your side.

2101
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:42,240
Speaker 26: He is, he's you know, he's in your radio.

2102
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 2: He's to go and listen.

2103
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:45,679
Speaker 26: Thank you, sorries, and you shouldn't wait till September. Everyone

2104
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:47,400
Speaker 26: listen to listen tonight. It's a very good show. There's

2105
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:49,800
Speaker 26: the reason it wins all the awards. Mountain Goats. We're

2106
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:51,879
Speaker 26: going to play the Mountain Goats here. Now we've established

2107
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:53,680
Speaker 26: it hither you're going to see the Mountain Goats play live.

2108
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 26: Even though you've listened to some of their music and

2109
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 26: you don't like the sound, well, i'll tell you someone

2110
01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:01,400
Speaker 26: who does like the Mountain Goats. Stephen Colbert absolutely loves them,

2111
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:03,880
Speaker 26: so a few years ago he actually got them on

2112
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 26: his show to sing. This year and he was so

2113
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 26: excited that he jumped on stage and started belting it

2114
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:10,960
Speaker 26: out with them. So this is the Mountain Goats with

2115
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:12,920
Speaker 26: special guest vocalist Stephen Colbert.

2116
01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:13,720
Speaker 24: This year.

2117
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:15,479
Speaker 17: You enjoy that, You enjoyed that.

2118
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 2: You know how much I hate Stephen Colbert. So this

2119
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:19,640
Speaker 2: is in South, this is doubling in.

2120
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Speaker 1: On me right now.

2121
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 17: You'll have a great time.

2122
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 19: Listen.

2123
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:23,760
Speaker 3: Listen to this crap.

2124
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:25,400
Speaker 2: Through the California guns.

2125
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:28,680
Speaker 17: I can hear the alcohol insane than me.

2126
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:31,599
Speaker 13: What of my dads, me and my friends?

2127
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:35,639
Speaker 2: Maybe, Sweeten, we're going to be French cafe for dinner before,

2128
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:40,559
Speaker 2: so maybe we'll just stay there for the whole See

2129
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:42,839
Speaker 2: you tomorrow and you still see me badly?

2130
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:44,800
Speaker 15: You might imagine.

2131
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 1: Hi, this here tells me? If tells me Wow. For

2132
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:36,920
Speaker 1: more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live to news

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