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Speaker 1: Very so to senior political correspondence with us. How Barry,

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Speaker 1: good afternoon. Hell have you read Audrey Young's piece? No,

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Speaker 1: I haven't, okay, Audrey Young's piece title Bishop has a

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Speaker 1: Target on his back and she's basically written a piece

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Speaker 1: where she reckons the reason that Labors going at him

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Speaker 1: over that cycle and walking Bridge and his part of

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Speaker 1: the world news is because he's the guy most likely

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Speaker 1: to roll Chris Luxen.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, that, isn't it. Unfortunately I normally do read Ordery,

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Speaker 2: but I haven't today. But look, the thing is, when

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Speaker 2: you've got a party polling like National has, and you've

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Speaker 2: got twenty first term back benches in that party out

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Speaker 2: of forty eight MPs, you know you're going to be

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Speaker 2: looking at that polling and you're going to be saying, well,

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Speaker 2: can we last? Can we hold up the vote? And

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Speaker 2: at the moment they would the answer to that would

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Speaker 2: be no. But that's not to say that Chris Lucksen

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Speaker 2: is going to be rolled.

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Speaker 1: What are you hearing? Well, so I'm hearing that he is.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's certainly talk in the Rational Party at the

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Speaker 2: moment about Chris Luxon's leadership, and who knows, it may

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Speaker 2: come to a debate in caucus next Tuesday when they

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Speaker 2: meet in Wellington. But the views that I've had, they vary.

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Speaker 2: They vary from his leadership being untenable which is one

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Speaker 2: description that was given to me, to the detractors being

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Speaker 2: steered down if it did come to that debate in caucus.

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Speaker 2: So I think my view is that this party would

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Speaker 2: be ridiculous to ditch Chris Luxen as their leader at

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Speaker 2: the moment because you've got look at the opposition benchres

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Speaker 2: and you see the Moldy Party falling apart in the

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Speaker 2: nowhere near back together again. Yet you see the Greens

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Speaker 2: talking about revoking licensing permits for offshore oil and whatever

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 1: And paths the victory for Labor with Winston Well, well, no.

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Speaker 2: I can't, for the life of me see Winston voting

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Speaker 2: with Labor again. I think he realizes the mistake that

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Speaker 2: he made, you know, the last time he did that

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Speaker 2: with Justin Dern. But my view is that you know, if,

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Speaker 2: if if there was to be a change, you've only

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Speaker 2: got to think back to Jenny Shipley rolling Jim Boulger

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Speaker 2: about a year out from the election and what happened

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Speaker 2: to the National Party. Then you could say, I could

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Speaker 2: say that it wasn't going, you know, because it would

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Speaker 2: have been their fourth term, so she was ready to

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Speaker 2: go anyway, and she was up against Tallon Clark who

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Speaker 2: had done her time. And yeah, well that's right. But

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Speaker 2: there is there's a lot of talk, let's put it

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Speaker 2: that way, a lot of talk within parliamentary circles and

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Speaker 2: outside as well, within the business.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me what's happening on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Well, this, the fact that we're airing this now tends

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Speaker 2: to cause a discussion about the leadership, and no doubt

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Speaker 2: there will be more discussion on this and come Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: who knows, they may have out of a showdown.

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Speaker 1: So I'm hearing that National Party MPs are very unhappy

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Speaker 1: with Chris Luxon. I'm hearing that there is now some

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Speaker 1: talk about who could be a potential replacement, but the

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Speaker 1: replacements don't have the numbers just yet.

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Speaker 2: That's Chris Bishop we're talking about here.

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Speaker 1: He would be the most likely and he doesn't have

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Speaker 1: the numbers just yet. Is that what you're hearing.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm hearing. Absolutely. And the other thing that

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Speaker 2: you've got to convince, of course, is David Seymour and

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Speaker 2: Winston Peters. If they, for example, went against any change

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Speaker 2: in leadership at the top of the National Party which

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Speaker 2: would weaken their chances of getting back, then it wouldn't

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Speaker 2: happen at all, because the coalition would simply fall apart.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you accept, though being the cheerleader for Chris Luxon,

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Speaker 1: that you are a cheerleader for Chris Luckxy that he

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Speaker 1: does need to lift his game. Well, no, I think

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Speaker 1: he's doing a good job.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, the thing is, Heather, if you look at

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Speaker 2: what they're what they've been confronted with when they took

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Speaker 2: over the Treasury benches, no one is going to look

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Speaker 2: glowing coming into a government like that. So I think

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Speaker 2: you'll find and as I've said on this program before,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not cheerleading for Chris, well yes you have,

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Speaker 2: and because I don't cheer lead for any particular politician,

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Speaker 2: but certainly not Chris Luxen. But I think you'll find

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Speaker 2: when things start turning around next year, as they're showing

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Speaker 2: signs of doing now, then it'll be a very different piece.

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Speaker 1: Hey, should we talk about the Transport Minister, Well, we

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Speaker 1: have been his views on the electric vehicles, Well, he.

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Speaker 2: Was he acknowledges fully the clean car changes to the

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Speaker 2: legislation they were passed through Parliament today, so Chris Bishop

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Speaker 2: freely acknowledges the bottom fell out of the electric car

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Speaker 2: market after the government made these changes. Bishop flagged away

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Speaker 2: criticism from the Greens Julianne Jener who says the scheme

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Speaker 2: benefited the wealthy who were able to go out and

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Speaker 2: buy electric cars at the expense of mother. That's Chris

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Speaker 2: Bishop was saying.

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Speaker 3: That farmers and tradees who were stun with a ute

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Speaker 3: tax in order to transfer the money to largely middle

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Speaker 3: and upper income consumers who wanted to go out and

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Speaker 3: buy a tesla. That regressive, inequitable, stupid scheme this government

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Speaker 3: did away with.

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Speaker 1: Does his government have an active policy to transition its

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Speaker 1: own fleet.

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Speaker 2: By prioritizing the purchase of electric vehicles and if not,

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Speaker 2: why not?

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Speaker 3: The government's focus is not on transitioning its own fleet

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Speaker 3: to electric vehicles. This government's focus, as that member should know,

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Speaker 3: is on cost effective solutions and value for money.

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Speaker 1: There you go, ruined my day ruined. I forgot about Julianne,

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Speaker 1: and now my day is too.

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Speaker 2: Insult to injury.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate a very sober senior political correspondent.

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