1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: Barry's oper senior political correspondence with US Now, Hi Barry, 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: good afternoon. All right, So that he koy. I opened 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: the program saying, I don't think that that's going to 4 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: be doing the Treaty Principal's bills cause any harm because 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: it frustrated so many people. They'll just feel more sympathetic whether. 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 2: It's not about the Treaty principals bill. That's what you 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 2: were told by the organizer KINGI the other day. I 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: heard the interview on it. Interestingly, he's the son of 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: the Maldi MP Maramino Kappa Capa Kinikini. Yeah, she's the 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: Maldi MP and he's one of triplets. So she's been 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: a busy woman and. 12 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 1: So hold on just a tick. So he is a 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: formerly a candidate for the Mary. 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: Past three three behind her on the list. 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: And the son of a current mpper. Yeah, okay, so 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: this is not really a hikoy about just activating you know, EWI, 17 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: it's ahkoy about activating the Mary parties support based Well. 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 2: It's well and the has the co leader row white 19 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: tea emblazoned on the side of them along with other 20 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: proud to be molded. 21 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: I just think that that's important context, right, because this 22 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: is being seen as like a rising up of the 23 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,639 Speaker 1: Maori people, but it's actually not. It's a political party 24 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: getting people out very much. 25 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: It's a Maori party behind it, and I don't think 26 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 2: White to Tea would disclaim that. But look, it's interesting 27 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: because you have to say, what are they specifically protesting 28 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: about if it's not the Treaty Principal's bill. Well, I 29 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 2: got tired up in the hikoy today when I was 30 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: going on my walk under the Harbor Bridge because they 31 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: were all gathered there with the ten. This probably is 32 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: a good example of what the question was. I said, 33 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: Kura to a one of them that was walking towards 34 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: me as a man covered in tattoos head to toe, 35 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: and I said, Kura, look, can you specifically tell me 36 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: what this protest is all about? And he said do 37 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: you speak Maldi? And I said, well, as you've just heard, clearly, asshole, 38 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: clearly not. And he said if off and walk on. Yeah, 39 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: And I tried to stop a number of others, but 40 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: rageous gave me the cold shoulder and walk past. But 41 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: I think, you know, look, people who go on these protests, 42 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: and there's thousands of them and it'll be massive. There'll 43 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: be a big gang motorcycle motorcycle gang representation. I will 44 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: guarantee it for the time they get to Wellington. And 45 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: of course the gangs appeaved with this government because of 46 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 2: the legislation that's been passed on their patches. I saw 47 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: a couple of patches there from the Cobras today. They 48 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: were on the on the Hikui. 49 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw black power. 50 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, they'll all be there, so you know, I 51 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 2: would think the police will be kick keeping pretty close 52 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: watch on them when they get to Wellington because there 53 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 2: will be a lot of people to contend with. So yeah, 54 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: I failed in my attempt to get specifically what it's 55 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: all about, but just looking at the placard, you'd have 56 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: to say it's very much about the treaty, the Principal Treaties. 57 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: Bill, Okay, which was the talk of Parliament today, wasn't it. 58 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: It was the talk of Parliament today. I've got to 59 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: say the Prime Minister gave a pretty good indication the 60 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: government's growing tired of the White Tungi Tribunal when he 61 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: was questioned by Labour's Chris Hipkins. 62 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: Listen, there's the reason why his ministers have consistently sought 63 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: to undermine the White Tangy Tribunal without any censure from him, 64 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: even calling for it's this establishment because the Tribunal has 65 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 3: brought attention to the profoundly negative impacts the Treaty Principal's 66 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: Bill as having on the Crown's relationship with Mardy. 67 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 4: What I'd say to that member is that many commentators 68 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 4: have said, in a post Treaty settlement world, it's quite 69 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 4: a legitimate question to ask what the role in the 70 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 4: White Tangy trupe and all is going forward. That is 71 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 4: something that whereas a Colish and government will Explorence of. 72 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: Course, and the mere introduction of the bill will, according 73 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 3: to the Waite Toanngy trib funeral prejudice Mardi and there 74 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 3: is a risk that the Select Committee process will be 75 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 3: hijacked by racists and purveyors of misinformation for six months. 76 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 4: I disagree with the characterization of that question. 77 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: Matter of opinion was old Shane Jones. Of course, Chris 78 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: Luxon won't be in the House for the first debate 79 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: and the first and only debate of the bill tomorrow, 80 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: because it will be debated in the House tomorrow. He'll 81 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 2: be on his way to APEC the Apex sum in. 82 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: Peru, very really quickly. I see section seven AA came 83 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: up again today. 84 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 2: Well it did. I don't know whether I've got time 85 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 2: for a little bit of audio because it was fascinating. 86 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: The case was being led against the minister by the 87 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: Greens Karerangi Carter, who argued Maldi children run the risk 88 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: of being further abused if they removed from their fly's 89 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 2: here she is. 90 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 5: The minimum safeguard for protecting tamaticky and care is ensuring 91 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 5: Maori quote are connected to their faro hapu ewie fucker, 92 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 5: papa fenoa real and tea hunger. 93 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 6: If Fano is the right place for a young people's 94 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 6: young person to be placed, that's what should happen. But unfortunately, 95 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 6: mister speaker, that's not always appropriate. And we need to 96 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 6: make sure that the safety and well being comes first, 97 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 6: and we must base it on their needs. And every 98 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 6: young person deserves the same level of care and protection 99 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 6: no matter what their ancestry is. 100 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and the person who came out, he basically 101 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: came out at the end, he defended chure was and 102 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: she's an act minister of course, was the new Zealand 103 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: First Minster Shane Jones. He's tired of the attacks, he's 104 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: tired of the repetitive questioning. She gets it all the 105 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: time and it is ridiculous. It's going ahead anyway, Barry. 106 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: Thank you, Barry, seeing your political correspondent. 107 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 3: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 108 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 3: news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 109 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 3: the podcast on iHeartRadio.