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Speaker 3: I actually like the fact that we've got a super

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Speaker 3: first mindset. How can you get good finals, quality and

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Speaker 1: On the sports title of That's this evening.

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Speaker 5: We have Adam Cooper, host of the All Sport Breakfast

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Speaker 5: in Wellington, and Jason Pine Weekend Sport host Hello you too,

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Speaker 5: Hello Hello Piney. How are they going to know if

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Speaker 5: it's a success.

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Speaker 6: I think crowd numbers will be a good indicator. I

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Speaker 6: think people turn up to watch again. I like the

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Speaker 6: afternoon kick off here. Hopefully there'll be a few on

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Speaker 6: Saturdays as well, which I'm hearing there will be. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think the biggest metric is as crowds or the

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Speaker 6: most obvious metric as crowds. They'll probably ask the teams

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Speaker 6: whether they're enjoying themselves. I love the fact that there

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Speaker 6: are more derbies. The finals format, I'm not entirely sold on.

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Speaker 6: I think it's a little bit confusing with the lucky loser,

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Speaker 6: which is I think if you can't explain a concept

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure it's exactly the right one. I get

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Speaker 6: that they want more finals games. It really gives them

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Speaker 6: one more, but look, I'm willing to be convinced. So yeah,

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Speaker 6: I like a lot of what the new format, but it's.

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Speaker 5: A better way of doing it because the thing is

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Speaker 5: eight was far too many, right and six is about right,

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Speaker 5: fours too few, six is about right, but then you

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So the only other way they could have done it

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Speaker 6: Three plays six, four plays five for the right to

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Speaker 6: play the semi finals. That's more regular, it gives, but

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Speaker 6: it gives you one less game, and they want more games.

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Speaker 6: They want, as Jack said, more content. So that's the

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Speaker 6: reason they've gone with what they have.

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Speaker 7: What do you reckon, Coops, Yeah, I reckon six are

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Speaker 7: still too many. To be honest, you give us four,

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Speaker 7: give us the four best teams I was looking at

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Speaker 7: the table from this year that the sixth place team

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Speaker 7: was the Highlanders, who won six out of their fourteen games.

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Speaker 7: Is that playoff worthy? Is that worthy of recognition in

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Speaker 7: the chance to go up against the top team and

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Speaker 7: one verse six, which is what is scheduled, is again

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Speaker 7: just such a mismatch. I think whatever, you know, quality

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Speaker 7: over quantity in terms of the content that they want,

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Speaker 7: and that first round of the playoffs for me these

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Speaker 7: last few seasons has been the most uninspiring sort of

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Speaker 5: So Coops, you've struck on something that I think I

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Speaker 5: is Yep, it's changes and look, it's going to be

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Speaker 5: better than it was, but it really doesn't go far

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Speaker 5: enough like you have to. If you want to save

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Speaker 5: this particular format, you've got to go a lot harder,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, I mean I'm sort of just of the

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Speaker 7: view there's eleven teams next year, and you know more

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Speaker 7: which I just think is not the right format. Take

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Speaker 7: it to four I have two weeks of grueling, exciting,

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Speaker 7: four spots during the year. But I do think, you know,

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Speaker 7: the biggest measure is people actually getting along, being involved

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Speaker 5: Poney, listen, what do you make of my argument that

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Speaker 5: the black all Blacks need to stop being so boring

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Speaker 6: Well, I think I mean what I've found in my life,

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Speaker 6: males most of the time. Anyone, you know that they're

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Speaker 1: I think that's so unfair. Look look at the two

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Speaker 5: You're on the sports tdal with me this evening, and

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Speaker 6: Poney, Well, I think most people are tuned in for

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Speaker 6: you hither, that's the thing. But look, I love how

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Speaker 6: that connects us as fans to our teams, that has

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Speaker 6: Black Ferns seem to have struck a magic formula under

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Speaker 7: Well that's important.

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Speaker 6: They have have found a real deep, old use word

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Speaker 5: The coops. I think there is financial upside in this

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Speaker 5: for the All Blacks if they stopped being so dull,

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Speaker 7: You think, Well, I think it's just been the case

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Speaker 7: They are just as exciting and charismatic as some of

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Speaker 1: So who is charismatic in the All Blacks?

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Speaker 7: Ah, there's plenty of players. I can say that they

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Speaker 7: You don't see it because those walls are up. I

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Speaker 1: Do you know who it is? Cops? Are you still there?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm listening.

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Speaker 5: I'll put you on the spot here. If you name

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Speaker 7: An example, you all black this year, Pasily Assi, fantastic guy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm as drinking.

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Speaker 6: I'm as drinking buddy.

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Speaker 1: Ye oh jeeseus. Well, if he's interesting, I'll be a

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Speaker 6: Coops is dead right, though, you know that these are

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Speaker 6: Coops or or anybody who happens to be listening in

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Speaker 6: this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, all right, we'll take a break, come

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Speaker 1: Back with the sports title.

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Speaker 5: Coops, tell me what you think about that letter from

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Speaker 5: the former Olympians which came out this week.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that community.

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Speaker 5: Sports should or should not include transgender athletes?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I'm going to struggle to sit here and

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Speaker 7: often hospitial debate it can be. But you get the

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Speaker 5: I'm conflicted on this one, Piney, because I mean, I

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, to balance is and you've got to You've got

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Speaker 6: and you know, at a community level, they're all important.

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Speaker 7: The high you go into the elite.

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Speaker 1: For me, I don't have a lot of time coopsball.

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Speaker 1: What do you reckon?

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Speaker 5: Should we be outraged that the black Caps were going

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Speaker 5: to play Afghanistan?

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, look, I think every if you look

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Speaker 7: into different sports and different worlds where money comes from.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you'd be stopping all sport if you were

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Speaker 7: counting out you know, immoral you know actions, you know,

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Speaker 7: bad money, all all that kind of stuff. So I think,

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Speaker 7: you know, we want the Flat Caps to play cricket

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Speaker 7: and one off test against Afghanistan. I wasn't too uncomfortable

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Speaker 7: like that. I am uncomfortab about the scheduling.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, here is that the thing that got

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Speaker 1: your goat pony.

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Speaker 6: It was, Yeah, a cricket test and them on sooon season.

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Speaker 6: It's like having a One Day International and napier. If

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Speaker 6: you wanted to reign and nap you just chidule a

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Speaker 6: cricket match.

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Speaker 7: There.

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Speaker 1: Jesus tells us a lot about our morals.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 5: I really appreciate the pair of you. Adam Cooper, Jason

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Speaker 5: Pine our sports hitdal this evening.

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