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Speaker 2: Hello you, great New Zealander, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show Podcast number one nine five for Monday,

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Speaker 2: the first of September, in the Year.

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Speaker 3: Of Our Lord, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Great show today, as always, so many fantastic calls. Later on,

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Speaker 2: things get pretty hot and heavy around what people are

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Speaker 2: getting up to in the driverlest taxis in San Francisco. Yep,

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Speaker 2: let's just say it's the ground based version of.

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Speaker 3: The My High Club.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, nicely said, it's the one foot High Club. You

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Speaker 4: can see what they did it as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the problem is everyone can see them doing it,

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Speaker 2: so you might see why they want to do it.

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Speaker 2: But a lot of people, there's a lot of cameras

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Speaker 2: in there, a lot of stuff going on.

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Speaker 3: Yes, all right, enjoy.

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Speaker 3: You see bizill let you go asking me all right,

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Speaker 1: Big stories of big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 4: Talk said, be welcome into the show really good of

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Speaker 4: your company is always on this Monday afternoon. I hope

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Speaker 4: you had a fantastic weekend whatever you did in this

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Speaker 4: beautiful country of ours. Gay man, get a tyler, get everyone.

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Speaker 2: Before we get into whether all our young trades are

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Speaker 2: two waysed to turn up to work, I just want

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Speaker 2: to look, I want to run this past you. So

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Speaker 2: as an incident with the police on the way to

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Speaker 2: work this morning. Wow, And it involved a small chase, okay, right,

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Speaker 2: and some flashing sirens fantastic and some interesting information from

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Speaker 2: the police officer. So I was driving down a one

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Speaker 2: way and then the police officer in front of me

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Speaker 2: went through the orange light, and then I followed him

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Speaker 2: through the orange light right, and then he pulled over,

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Speaker 2: and then and then followed me and said and went

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Speaker 2: to you, Tom, you know obviously the lights flashing, you

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Speaker 2: have to pull over, right, But I can't pull over

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Speaker 2: because there's so many bike lanes around there was just

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Speaker 2: moving to indicate to him, Look, I can't pull over

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Speaker 4: Road, mate, Yah, make me break two laws here.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you've sort of you've jumped the gun on what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, here, Tyler, thank you very much, your bias

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Speaker 2: is showing. So I had to signal term that I

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Speaker 2: was going around the corner blah blah blah. And then

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Speaker 2: into a parking packing station. And then I get out

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Speaker 2: of the car to go and talk to the police officer,

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Speaker 2: and the police officer says, get back in your car please,

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Speaker 2: And I said, oh, okay, how come I thought you're

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Speaker 3: Of the car. Yea, because you know it's polite.

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Speaker 2: The police officer pull the over, you get out of

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Speaker 2: making them come over. He goes for my safety, I

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Speaker 2: know that was a new thing. Wow, Okay, yeah, but

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Speaker 3: Weapon, right.

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Speaker 2: Always thought the plight thing in New Zealand was that

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Speaker 2: over He was, he's only at a British accident. Maybe

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Speaker 2: And I always do it out of you know.

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Speaker 3: In a few times being pulled outut of politeness.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, time to get back in this car, in

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Speaker 2: But I'm just going through an orange light. It's a

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Speaker 3: Bless them you put on you you do a very

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Speaker 4: Was there any stage so you're going through the orange light,

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Speaker 2: So we all know that the rule is that you

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Speaker 2: but you've got to say pedantic. He's just gone through.

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Speaker 4: It feels like a margin call. Feels like a real

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I haven't seen it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, but we had and that's a dramatic he was.

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Speaker 2: It was pleasant enough, Yeah, but it's interesting being followed

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Speaker 4: That is terrifying, saying I can't bull over, but there's

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Speaker 2: Just pull over in the middle of a stream of

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Speaker 4: Did he say anything about that?

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Speaker 3: So it was probably three four hundred meters before I

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Speaker 4: What a morning for you, mate, What a morning. But

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Speaker 4: if you think that was fear nine two nine two,

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Speaker 3: Person, this text annoys me. You're wrong.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent of the states. You have to stay

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what I said. Don't text me and tell

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Speaker 3: What's wrong? I've done drive rounds for documentaries and US cars.

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Speaker 4: It, right, Yeah, But when I just would have thought

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in New Zealand, you get out of the car. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: In America they touch the back and they come around

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Speaker 4: Hands on the steering wheel, you do what they tell

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Speaker 4: dramatic morning for your mate. And we'll hear on what

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Speaker 4: that fine was eventually, right on to today's show, off

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Speaker 4: to three o'clock Father's Day. What is the ultimate father's gift?

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Speaker 4: We know Sunday Father's Day, So we want to hear

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what I want in Dad's Day? And I

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Speaker 2: maybe want a bit of breakfast. Maybe tell us that

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Speaker 2: just let us go.

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Speaker 3: Let us be golf with friends, go to the pub

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Speaker 4: Sounds pretty good kind of in a way.

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Speaker 3: Let us be not a dad for a day.

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Speaker 4: Just have a day completely to yourself outside of the family. Yes,

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Speaker 4: we love your lots.

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Speaker 3: Just do whatever you want the other day. That's what

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Speaker 2: There's twenty five things on this list that's come through

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Speaker 2: a single thing that I can manage imagine any father wanting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of those were just just gag gifts.

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Speaker 4: Weren't they just let me be?

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Speaker 4: That is after three o'clock looking forward to that. After

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Speaker 4: it full self driving supervised and it's been launched in

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Speaker 2: Means is very very soon there will be self driving

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Speaker 2: taxis more than likely we'll take a law change, but

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Speaker 2: very very soon you'll just be able to get into

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Speaker 3: No one driving the car.

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Speaker 4: Love it exciting, bring it on?

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Speaker 2: But what does that mean for our economy? Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: That is after two o'clock, because right now, let's have

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Speaker 4: good pay. His name is Chris read It, which he

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Speaker 4: of the biggest challenges right now of running his business

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Speaker 4: is finding reliable workers. To quote him, he said, they

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Speaker 4: all like getting on the piss and the booger sugar

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Speaker 4: and certain things like that. I'm offering good money, but

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Speaker 4: I'm really struggling to find reliable guys. I'm not too

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Speaker 4: fussed about who the person is, as long as they

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Speaker 3: The term boger sugar is a red flag.

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Speaker 4: A hell of a turn a phrase.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so is this true? Is this true that we

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Speaker 2: Because I see a lot of people out and about.

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Speaker 2: lot of people in UT's a lot of young people

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Speaker 3: Working very very hard.

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Speaker 2: But are you struggling to find people that are up

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Speaker 2: This is way more dangerous than a hangover. That's an

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Speaker 4: Good point. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've

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Speaker 4: Really can never check with you. Oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the news speakers, the mic

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Speaker 1: asking breakfast.

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Speaker 3: Rist Lux is with us? Now I ask you one

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Speaker 3: more time. God, this is foreign biased. It is foreign biased.

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Speaker 3: Is today the day we are very close to Mike

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Speaker 3: Win eminently before we meet next time within a week.

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Speaker 3: So this week it could well be you're about to

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Speaker 3: I just the reason I asked the question, one more

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Speaker 9: Well, it can't be one more week because he said

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Speaker 4: Z B afternoon twenty five past one.

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Speaker 3: This is an amusing text, Matt, did you just need

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Speaker 3: to clarify that driving while you're asleep is dangerous? Do

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Speaker 2: What I was saying was that there are some studies

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Speaker 3: Yeah, driving driving asleep is bad no matter what, one.

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Speaker 4: Hundred percent And just having a look at that research.

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Speaker 4: That's massive doubling your risk of crash. Yeah, for having

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Speaker 3: Yeah you go, so that you know that.

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Speaker 2: Further to the point of the employer who said that

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Speaker 11: It's the guys who are drinking boothe and then turn

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Speaker 3: Yees.

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Speaker 2: So if you have if you smoke marijuana, say twenty

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Speaker 11: it's a bit of a mishmash. Like you need really

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Speaker 11: tough guys to lay concrete. Them not like your average trade.

442
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Speaker 11: Concrete is are a bit of a different breed, but

443
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Speaker 11: you do have to, you know, we've always some of

444
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Speaker 11: the best concrete layers. I've worked with the guys that

445
00:18:44,613 --> 00:18:48,853
Speaker 11: are absolutely alcoholics. But you've got to keep them under rain.

446
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Speaker 11: And that's part of a boss's job to a certain degree,

447
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Speaker 11: is laying down the rules. These are rules, are going

448
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Speaker 11: to work with me. If you can't work within them,

449
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Speaker 11: then you're gone. And I do get what he's saying.

450
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Speaker 11: It doesn't matter how much money you're offering. It's not

451
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Speaker 11: about money with these guys. It's more about leading from

452
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Speaker 11: the front a little bit. So if you're not sort

453
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Speaker 11: of laying down the rules and working with them. With concretors,

454
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Speaker 11: then you're not going to get a lot of respect

455
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Speaker 11: from them.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever done any testing on employees?

457
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Speaker 11: Yes, they have.

458
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to.

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Speaker 11: I mean that's that's a big part of it. You've

460
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Speaker 11: also got to try and make sure you're keeping everybody

461
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Speaker 11: safe that you're working with. So if you've got somebody

462
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Speaker 11: that's to me, it's it's guys that are on pe

463
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Speaker 11: and things that are going to be dangerous to work around.

464
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Speaker 11: So get somebody who you suspect is is doing that,

465
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Speaker 11: then you're definitely so hey, mate, we're going to give

466
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Speaker 11: your drug tests. Most of the time they'll just quit

467
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Speaker 11: because they don't want to be drug tested.

468
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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, jump domin ahead of the time.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting one, isn't that because you know, you talk

470
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Speaker 2: about methamphetamine and people think about just the you know,

471
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Speaker 2: the heightened you know, people can be angry, they're they're

472
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Speaker 2: they're messed up. But the other thing is, as you say, Craig,

473
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Speaker 2: is they're awake, so they're not getting the sleeping so

474
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Speaker 2: you know, they're artificially awake, and that's why they start

475
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Speaker 2: having delusion and not being able to understand what's going on.

476
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Speaker 11: Yeah, the clarity is not there sometimes, and like I'm

477
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Speaker 11: not having a go having you go with anybody about this.

478
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Speaker 11: It's just a there's certain industries and obviously certain people

479
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Speaker 11: who have a tendency towards misbehaving more than others. So

480
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Speaker 11: I've tried really hard with guys that have been on

481
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Speaker 11: Peter get them to sort themselves out and get them

482
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Speaker 11: back to work and do what you can. And most

483
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Speaker 11: of the time you fail, but sometimes you actually do

484
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Speaker 11: get through, and there's in some bloody good guys that

485
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Speaker 11: just needed somebody to pull them up a little bit

486
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Speaker 11: and be a decent boss. So it does depends a

487
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Speaker 11: little bit on your attitude to it. But I do

488
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Speaker 11: think alcohol is actually the biggest issue. Like guys that

489
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Speaker 11: have drank twill four o'clock in the morning and you

490
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Speaker 11: pick them up at six o'clock.

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Speaker 13: That way a little dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've pat.

493
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Speaker 11: Guys up from nightclubs, Guys like twenty fifteen, twenty years ago,

494
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Speaker 11: the second guys up from nightclub Scarne layer concrete slab,

495
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Speaker 11: you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well good on your Craig, think you if

497
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Speaker 4: you call that would have been a tough day for

498
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Speaker 4: those boys man getting picked up straight from the nightclub.

499
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Speaker 4: Granted you know twenty years ago and it's unsafe, but

500
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Speaker 4: you would have put them through an absolute ringer and

501
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Speaker 4: say you're never going to do this again.

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Speaker 2: Lad Are you telling me Tyler that you've never turned

503
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Speaker 2: up to work with a raging hangover and maybe a

504
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Speaker 2: little bit still in the system.

505
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Speaker 4: Once and I never did it again because it was

506
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Speaker 4: the worst day ever. Everybody, the boss knew it, and

507
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Speaker 4: he said, I'm going to make your life a living

508
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Speaker 4: how today, So you never do this again. I know

509
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Speaker 4: you've done it a few times.

510
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Speaker 3: The way you perform on the show was just assume

511
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Speaker 3: you had a drinking problem.

512
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Speaker 4: It is twenty eight to two. That's very good mate.

513
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Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

514
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Speaker 4: Do you have an issue finding good reliable workers because

515
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Speaker 4: they're all drinking and on drugs. Keen to hear from

516
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Speaker 4: your headlines coming up?

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Speaker 14: You talk, sa'd be headlines with blue bubble Taxis. It's

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522
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Speaker 14: two million dollars. Prime Minister Chris Lukson says an announcement

523
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Speaker 14: will be made this week on whether or not the

524
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Speaker 14: Foreign Buyers Band will be lifted. The ban was introduced

525
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Speaker 14: in twenty eighteen when Labour and New Zealand First were

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528
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Speaker 14: for all under five year olds, which could protect up

529
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Speaker 14: to seventy seven thousand additional Kiwi kids from the disease.

530
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Speaker 14: Sand mining at Parkety Beach north of Auckland has officially

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Speaker 14: been ruled out after McCallum Brothers Limited reached a settlement

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Speaker 14: the Special Olympics, which starts in December. Did Liam Lawson

536
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Speaker 14: just let his red Bull future intention slip? You can

537
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Speaker 14: see the full column at ends it here. All Premium

538
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Speaker 14: now back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Susie. So we're talking about finding

540
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Speaker 4: reliable workers who aren't on the drink on the weekend

541
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Speaker 4: or turning up hungover or still with drugs in their system.

542
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Speaker 4: How hard is it for you, oh, eight hundred and

543
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Speaker 4: eighty ten eighties number to call.

544
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Speaker 2: This texasays, I challenge anyone to lay concrete all day

545
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Speaker 2: and not require a beer or three and a puff

546
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Speaker 2: to maintain their sanity.

547
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Speaker 3: It's a tough job, as business says.

548
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Speaker 2: To be fair bros and conquering, you need to be

549
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Speaker 2: cocked up to get through the day in that job,

550
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Speaker 2: don't you a few texts coming through there, So concorting

551
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Speaker 2: sounds like a tough job. I can't name the company, however,

552
00:23:46,933 --> 00:23:48,773
Speaker 2: it's large, to say the least. Whenever they need to

553
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Speaker 2: reduce the workforce to save off redundancy payments, they just

554
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Speaker 2: bring in the drug testers.

555
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Speaker 3: Quite smart. You got to say. It's one way to

556
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Speaker 3: do it.

557
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Speaker 2: Yeah, fellers, trades rub meth on their gums. Its keeps

558
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Speaker 2: you working through the day. It's an assy thing. It's

559
00:24:02,213 --> 00:24:03,013
Speaker 2: come here recently.

560
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Speaker 4: And okay, all right, okay, good tonight, John mate. You're

561
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Speaker 4: a farmer, and you've had trouble finding good workers?

562
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, yes and no, we always find them, but

563
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Speaker 6: we get a lot of people apply for jobs that

564
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Speaker 6: we pretty much weed out at the start. We've also

565
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Speaker 6: taken on people that we've let go part way through

566
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Speaker 6: their term. And in one of the big issues I

567
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Speaker 6: have is illegal drug use. Because we're originally a big farm.

568
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Speaker 6: We run some pretty big gears and you've got to

569
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Speaker 6: be on the top of your game to hint to

570
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Speaker 6: drive it.

571
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Speaker 4: And do you drug test all of your workers, John,

572
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Speaker 4: to make sure that they're okay to be operating that machinery.

573
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Speaker 6: No, we don't because generally we don't have a lot

574
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Speaker 6: of stuff and generally you can pack there something wrong

575
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Speaker 6: and if you sit down and talk with them and

576
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Speaker 6: go okay, So on the weekends, what are you doing?

577
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Speaker 6: Are you using drugs? I have don't have a problem

578
00:25:04,813 --> 00:25:06,173
Speaker 6: a little bit of dope, but I do have a

579
00:25:06,253 --> 00:25:08,053
Speaker 6: problem to start getting into some of the heideous stuff

580
00:25:08,093 --> 00:25:11,053
Speaker 6: like are you using it? And if they give a

581
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Speaker 6: lie bit of a shifty answer, say all right, well

582
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Speaker 6: I'm going to drug test, and there's a previous call,

583
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Speaker 6: I said, most well, our experience has been that they go,

584
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Speaker 6: actually I don't want the job.

585
00:25:20,973 --> 00:25:22,213
Speaker 4: Well that's pretty talient, isn't it.

586
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Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, and so something that really worries me.

587
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Speaker 4: Yeah. So with the guys who have cannabis, why is

588
00:25:31,013 --> 00:25:33,213
Speaker 4: that not not much of a worry for you?

589
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Speaker 14: Is it?

590
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Speaker 4: Because genuinely they're not going to be as inebriated. If

591
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Speaker 4: they they smoke on a weekend and they turn up

592
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Speaker 4: on Monday, you can still trust by that stage they'll

593
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Speaker 4: be okay to operate machinery.

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Speaker 6: Well, my experience with guys on cannabis is they just

595
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Speaker 6: get smiley and slapt and quiet as opposed to alcohol, which, yeah,

596
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Speaker 6: in my younger days, I should turn up with hangover.

597
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Speaker 6: I know what that does. We can generally work around that.

598
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Speaker 6: If they're just a bit smiley and quiet. It's when

599
00:26:04,493 --> 00:26:08,093
Speaker 6: they turn up and they are wiped up. Yeah, heaven't

600
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Speaker 6: sleep And I've never really had one get violent, but

601
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Speaker 6: I've been pretty close and I'm thinking more in our

602
00:26:18,453 --> 00:26:23,812
Speaker 6: wallshit situations for that. It's just something I don't want

603
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Speaker 6: to deal with and won't deal with.

604
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Speaker 2: Do you find with cannabis motivation is a problem. Though

605
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Speaker 2: they might be quiet and smiley but not really getting a.

606
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Speaker 6: Lot done absolutely making My experience with and I'm nearly retired,

607
00:26:37,973 --> 00:26:39,773
Speaker 6: so I've been in the game for a while. My

608
00:26:39,893 --> 00:26:43,013
Speaker 6: experience with cannabis is that they get smiley and quiet

609
00:26:43,693 --> 00:26:47,853
Speaker 6: and hair books or users don't have a lot of ambition, right,

610
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Speaker 6: They just yeah complacement, which is okay for them, and

611
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Speaker 6: so the problems getting worse. John definitely. We took on

612
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Speaker 6: a sixteen year old eighteen months ago. Part of when

613
00:27:01,933 --> 00:27:04,653
Speaker 6: they come on the place, because we supply accommodation, they

614
00:27:04,733 --> 00:27:07,013
Speaker 6: have to sign a contract as to what's done on

615
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Speaker 6: the farm, and part of that is will be no

616
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Speaker 6: illegal drugs at all. We've been there a month, was

617
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Speaker 6: turning up to work very hungover and half first still

618
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Speaker 6: a memory sixteen. I did a quarter's inspection and found

619
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Speaker 6: pretty plain evidence of drug use. So I would say,

620
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Speaker 6: if we advertise for a job, we probably get twenty

621
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Speaker 6: plus applicants will marry that down to one or two

622
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Speaker 6: Philly quickly.

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Speaker 2: Right, So can you get what you can tell pretty

624
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Speaker 2: quickly from just you know when you're in first meeting

625
00:27:49,613 --> 00:27:52,373
Speaker 2: that they're you know that they're going to go hard.

626
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Speaker 6: They're not suitable for one reason or the other. And

627
00:27:55,413 --> 00:27:56,893
Speaker 6: a lot of it is the fact that they are

628
00:27:57,173 --> 00:27:58,493
Speaker 6: quite heavy to party till your heart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think if you called John, Yeah, great, call.

630
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Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

631
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Speaker 4: to call. Are you in a similar situation than John

632
00:28:05,733 --> 00:28:07,893
Speaker 4: that A lot of people applying for the jobs that

633
00:28:07,893 --> 00:28:11,053
Speaker 4: you've got to bailable just are on the drink and

634
00:28:11,173 --> 00:28:12,613
Speaker 4: the drugs on the weekend?

635
00:28:12,813 --> 00:28:14,613
Speaker 2: This this, Hey, guys, how do we have so many

636
00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:16,373
Speaker 2: drug users in the midst of a cost of living

637
00:28:16,413 --> 00:28:20,133
Speaker 2: crisis and wastewater testing indicating our uses.

638
00:28:19,853 --> 00:28:22,493
Speaker 3: On the rise inflation proof? I guess well, that's what

639
00:28:22,613 --> 00:28:23,773
Speaker 3: you prioritize in your budget.

640
00:28:23,813 --> 00:28:24,333
Speaker 4: I guess yeah.

641
00:28:24,893 --> 00:28:27,973
Speaker 2: Is one thing that drug addacts will do is they'll

642
00:28:28,133 --> 00:28:32,933
Speaker 2: heavenly prioritize the drugs over some more healthy stuff in

643
00:28:32,933 --> 00:28:33,293
Speaker 2: their life.

644
00:28:33,893 --> 00:28:36,292
Speaker 4: It is nineteen to two, Taking your calls on eight

645
00:28:36,373 --> 00:28:37,813
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty.

646
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Speaker 1: Madd Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls

647
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Speaker 1: on madd Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news talks, it'd be.

648
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Speaker 4: It is sixteen to two.

649
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Speaker 2: I interviewed a guy for a job and he offered

650
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Speaker 2: me a meth pipe smoke at the end of the

651
00:28:52,333 --> 00:28:56,053
Speaker 2: interview generous. I guess he was looking for company who

652
00:28:56,133 --> 00:28:58,453
Speaker 2: didn't care about drug use. Safe to say he didn't

653
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Speaker 2: get the job. That's bold. It's very bold bold when

654
00:29:01,773 --> 00:29:04,453
Speaker 2: you read those things about how to nail a job interview,

655
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Speaker 2: how to get your CV right, how to turn up

656
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Speaker 2: and ask the right questions. You know, when they ask

657
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Speaker 2: you have you got any weaknesses? You go, yeah, yeah, Look,

658
00:29:12,013 --> 00:29:16,533
Speaker 2: if anything, I work too hard. I've never seen anyone say,

659
00:29:17,053 --> 00:29:19,493
Speaker 2: you know, offer them a puff on the glass, Barbie.

660
00:29:19,253 --> 00:29:21,293
Speaker 4: You want to we smoke your smoke to seal the deal.

661
00:29:21,693 --> 00:29:21,813
Speaker 8: Hey.

662
00:29:21,893 --> 00:29:23,773
Speaker 3: So someone was saying for this text here so many

663
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Speaker 3: are coming through. Oh this was an interesting one. Wow.

664
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Speaker 2: How to supporting these week as trades say they need

665
00:29:29,493 --> 00:29:31,773
Speaker 2: gear to get through the day. Thirty five years on

666
00:29:31,853 --> 00:29:34,973
Speaker 2: the tools, no gear necessary, yep. Concreted six years without

667
00:29:35,053 --> 00:29:38,093
Speaker 2: gear too, Yep. I have had both problems with young guys.

668
00:29:38,333 --> 00:29:41,093
Speaker 3: Some myths out the door, pretty mythy is out the

669
00:29:41,133 --> 00:29:45,613
Speaker 3: door pretty quickly, lazy except well, hi, others not on gear. Awesome.

670
00:29:46,533 --> 00:29:51,733
Speaker 2: So someone else was texting and hey guys, basically whereas

671
00:29:51,773 --> 00:29:53,893
Speaker 2: it was asking, you know, what are the laws around

672
00:29:53,973 --> 00:29:56,653
Speaker 2: testing the people because they have you found then they

673
00:29:56,693 --> 00:29:57,413
Speaker 2: have been the text.

674
00:29:57,333 --> 00:29:59,813
Speaker 4: There yeah just in that week Q there just under

675
00:29:59,893 --> 00:30:00,973
Speaker 4: the yep that one there.

676
00:30:01,213 --> 00:30:03,893
Speaker 2: Hi guys, can you please find out where employees stand

677
00:30:03,973 --> 00:30:06,373
Speaker 2: legally to warn staff that they will be drug tested.

678
00:30:06,453 --> 00:30:09,013
Speaker 2: We suspect one employeer need to do the this properly.

679
00:30:09,093 --> 00:30:09,693
Speaker 3: Also wished to.

680
00:30:09,693 --> 00:30:13,453
Speaker 2: Remain anonymous as they may be listening. So guidance for

681
00:30:13,653 --> 00:30:16,813
Speaker 2: workers and union officials regarding workplace drag and alcohol policies.

682
00:30:17,373 --> 00:30:19,573
Speaker 2: The focus with any drug or our cool testing should

683
00:30:19,573 --> 00:30:22,573
Speaker 2: always be on impairment. Drug testing itself does not improve

684
00:30:22,613 --> 00:30:25,933
Speaker 2: workplace safety. Testing captures use and not necessarily I'm going

685
00:30:25,973 --> 00:30:27,413
Speaker 2: to going to this how jump past that? It's just

686
00:30:27,453 --> 00:30:31,293
Speaker 2: some rubbish at the start Workers' rights workplace dragon olcol

687
00:30:31,333 --> 00:30:33,893
Speaker 2: testing requires a careful balance of conflicting interests. Workers have

688
00:30:33,933 --> 00:30:37,253
Speaker 2: the right to privacy, to be free from unlawful discrimination,

689
00:30:37,533 --> 00:30:40,013
Speaker 2: and to be healthy and safe in the workplace. Workers

690
00:30:40,053 --> 00:30:42,613
Speaker 2: have obligations to not engage in themselves or others, and

691
00:30:42,733 --> 00:30:46,013
Speaker 2: to follow all reasonable health and safety policies. Employees must

692
00:30:46,093 --> 00:30:48,653
Speaker 2: respect their rights and provide a healthy and safety workplace

693
00:30:49,053 --> 00:30:51,533
Speaker 2: when making decisions that impact health and safety. This includes

694
00:30:51,573 --> 00:30:54,813
Speaker 2: decisions on drug making policies. What does it get down

695
00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:57,693
Speaker 2: to the testing dragon Olcohol testing should capture actual impairment.

696
00:30:57,733 --> 00:31:00,333
Speaker 2: It should not be just detecting the present substance. Detection

697
00:31:00,413 --> 00:31:02,533
Speaker 2: shows that the substance was consumed, it does not say

698
00:31:02,573 --> 00:31:05,533
Speaker 2: whether the substance was impairing the worker. Case law tells

699
00:31:05,653 --> 00:31:08,813
Speaker 2: us that the less invasive, up to date tasting testing

700
00:31:08,813 --> 00:31:11,093
Speaker 2: technology to be used by employer drug and alcol testing

701
00:31:11,213 --> 00:31:14,813
Speaker 2: must be for genuine health safety reasons. Interesting random testing

702
00:31:14,893 --> 00:31:18,213
Speaker 2: may only be justified in safety sensitive roles. Right there,

703
00:31:18,293 --> 00:31:20,773
Speaker 2: it is safety census work must be agreed by the

704
00:31:20,813 --> 00:31:23,253
Speaker 2: employer workers in the union duly involves work that would

705
00:31:23,293 --> 00:31:26,013
Speaker 2: result in a serious incident of conduct while impaired.

706
00:31:26,173 --> 00:31:29,013
Speaker 4: Makes sense? Yeah, that is good info though, but you

707
00:31:29,133 --> 00:31:32,293
Speaker 4: look it up yourself online. Yep, E one hundred and

708
00:31:32,333 --> 00:31:34,533
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty is the number to call Wally. You

709
00:31:34,813 --> 00:31:36,533
Speaker 4: are a truck driver, is that right?

710
00:31:37,573 --> 00:31:37,773
Speaker 14: Yeah?

711
00:31:37,813 --> 00:31:40,813
Speaker 15: I just a relief drive at the moment. I retired

712
00:31:41,373 --> 00:31:45,293
Speaker 15: ten years ago, and then eight years ago they stuttering

713
00:31:45,413 --> 00:31:51,373
Speaker 15: me up there's another company and drivers got drug tests

714
00:31:51,373 --> 00:31:53,493
Speaker 15: on side of the road here, So they called me

715
00:31:53,573 --> 00:31:59,773
Speaker 15: into Callahan that was going to parmers enough. Yeah, yeah,

716
00:32:00,093 --> 00:32:01,893
Speaker 15: I've been getting quite a bit of work.

717
00:32:01,933 --> 00:32:04,533
Speaker 4: Eh, So, so just you cut out there for a

718
00:32:04,573 --> 00:32:06,933
Speaker 4: bit while you're getting work. Now you're being brought in

719
00:32:06,973 --> 00:32:09,253
Speaker 4: as a relief truck driver because the young guys are

720
00:32:09,533 --> 00:32:13,013
Speaker 4: testing for for drugs yep, right.

721
00:32:13,693 --> 00:32:16,013
Speaker 2: And then and they know that you're you're a sober

722
00:32:16,093 --> 00:32:17,533
Speaker 2: driver and there's gonna be no problems there.

723
00:32:18,213 --> 00:32:22,893
Speaker 3: I'm yeah, right, okay, and so and so you were

724
00:32:22,893 --> 00:32:23,653
Speaker 3: happy to go back.

725
00:32:25,533 --> 00:32:27,973
Speaker 15: Oh I didn't get the chance to say no, yeah,

726
00:32:28,613 --> 00:32:31,333
Speaker 15: if I'm tired or whatever, I'm just coming back or

727
00:32:31,413 --> 00:32:35,813
Speaker 15: something could coming. I soon got back on your forwards

728
00:32:35,853 --> 00:32:36,293
Speaker 15: from there.

729
00:32:36,733 --> 00:32:38,253
Speaker 3: So did you see did you see a lot of

730
00:32:38,333 --> 00:32:41,333
Speaker 3: it back in the day before you before you retired

731
00:32:41,333 --> 00:32:41,573
Speaker 3: from it?

732
00:32:42,893 --> 00:32:45,653
Speaker 15: It was a little bit, but I don't know the

733
00:32:45,693 --> 00:32:47,893
Speaker 15: guys who were probably taking just to keep stay awake,

734
00:32:50,373 --> 00:32:54,573
Speaker 15: thing around, reloading and coming back again. Yeah, and we

735
00:32:54,653 --> 00:32:57,133
Speaker 15: say that I can come to the next day, right.

736
00:32:57,253 --> 00:32:59,053
Speaker 4: So that would put you in a pretty good position

737
00:32:59,093 --> 00:33:00,773
Speaker 4: if you're going for a job and say I don't

738
00:33:00,813 --> 00:33:02,773
Speaker 4: drink at all, I'm a tee totaler. That will put

739
00:33:02,773 --> 00:33:04,173
Speaker 4: you right up at the top of the stack for

740
00:33:04,213 --> 00:33:04,813
Speaker 4: truck driving.

741
00:33:05,733 --> 00:33:06,933
Speaker 11: Yep, yeah, yep.

742
00:33:07,813 --> 00:33:10,813
Speaker 15: Interesting drug tests twice in six years.

743
00:33:12,013 --> 00:33:17,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, come up, always come up clean, always come up clean. Yeah. Well,

744
00:33:17,373 --> 00:33:18,893
Speaker 4: good on you, Wally. I mean that would put you

745
00:33:18,973 --> 00:33:20,413
Speaker 4: in a good position as well. Do you get to

746
00:33:20,493 --> 00:33:21,053
Speaker 4: name your price?

747
00:33:22,413 --> 00:33:27,733
Speaker 15: Yep, yep asp Yeah. Wow, they pay because they know

748
00:33:27,813 --> 00:33:28,493
Speaker 15: I'm going to get.

749
00:33:28,333 --> 00:33:28,853
Speaker 1: The job done.

750
00:33:29,093 --> 00:33:30,693
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well that's good on your Wally.

751
00:33:30,933 --> 00:33:33,253
Speaker 2: That's that's interesting that you know you're massively up the

752
00:33:33,373 --> 00:33:35,893
Speaker 2: ranks and can and can demand what you want to

753
00:33:35,933 --> 00:33:39,133
Speaker 2: be paid because you're knowing to be a sober driver.

754
00:33:40,053 --> 00:33:43,493
Speaker 3: Very basic, the very limit exactly. He would be great

755
00:33:43,493 --> 00:33:47,893
Speaker 3: to hear from grabbed ebdenor on that rather than just

756
00:33:48,013 --> 00:33:52,173
Speaker 3: reading out random stuff from you know, government websites on

757
00:33:52,333 --> 00:33:55,453
Speaker 3: what the rights are around you know, testing it in

758
00:33:55,493 --> 00:33:56,013
Speaker 3: a workplace.

759
00:33:56,133 --> 00:33:58,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll reach out to Gareth. Yeah, and so I

760
00:33:58,293 --> 00:34:00,853
Speaker 4: when you get an answer on that one. But we

761
00:34:01,053 --> 00:34:02,493
Speaker 4: can to hear from you. Oh eight hundred and eighty

762
00:34:02,573 --> 00:34:04,493
Speaker 4: ten eighty is the number to call. We'll play some

763
00:34:04,533 --> 00:34:07,933
Speaker 4: messages and come back very shortly with more of your stories.

764
00:34:07,973 --> 00:34:09,133
Speaker 4: It is eleven to two.

765
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Speaker 1: Matd Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight

766
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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Tyler

767
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Speaker 1: Adams afternoons News.

768
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Speaker 4: TALKSB news talks AB so our concretor has claim drugs

769
00:34:22,933 --> 00:34:25,172
Speaker 4: and alcohol for the reason he can't find a good

770
00:34:25,293 --> 00:34:28,333
Speaker 4: staff despite offering good money. Are you facing that situation?

771
00:34:28,413 --> 00:34:30,172
Speaker 4: I EATEE hundred eighty ten eighty to number to call.

772
00:34:30,773 --> 00:34:32,732
Speaker 2: Drugs are far cheaper than ever is the main issue,

773
00:34:32,813 --> 00:34:35,253
Speaker 2: especially compared to twenty years ago one thousand dollars per

774
00:34:35,293 --> 00:34:37,652
Speaker 2: gram of meth back in the day to under three

775
00:34:37,733 --> 00:34:40,692
Speaker 2: hundred hour weed two hundred and fifty dollars per oz,

776
00:34:40,853 --> 00:34:44,293
Speaker 2: which is per ounce, which is as same as what

777
00:34:44,413 --> 00:34:47,013
Speaker 2: it was twenty years ago. Not even taking inflation into consideration,

778
00:34:47,173 --> 00:34:49,573
Speaker 2: alcohol is dead, sir. Looks like the cost of living

779
00:34:49,613 --> 00:34:53,573
Speaker 2: crisis asn't heading the meth world inflation proof Glenn?

780
00:34:53,613 --> 00:34:53,933
Speaker 4: How are you?

781
00:34:55,173 --> 00:34:55,373
Speaker 14: Yeah?

782
00:34:55,493 --> 00:34:55,933
Speaker 8: Good? Thanks?

783
00:34:56,013 --> 00:34:56,053
Speaker 7: So?

784
00:34:56,133 --> 00:34:56,613
Speaker 8: I like good.

785
00:34:57,613 --> 00:34:57,653
Speaker 4: So.

786
00:34:58,853 --> 00:35:02,533
Speaker 8: We were large scale employers in a retail business. We

787
00:35:02,613 --> 00:35:06,613
Speaker 8: had over three hundred people working with us. We put

788
00:35:06,693 --> 00:35:10,413
Speaker 8: on a drug and alcohol rebel at program and pre

789
00:35:10,533 --> 00:35:16,013
Speaker 8: employment drug testing and random drug testing. Once we got

790
00:35:16,053 --> 00:35:19,413
Speaker 8: the random drug testing and we saw our serious harm

791
00:35:19,613 --> 00:35:25,373
Speaker 8: accidents reduced by ninety percent. Our people were far more

792
00:35:25,453 --> 00:35:31,133
Speaker 8: engaged and our productivity lifted significantly. Did you lose some

793
00:35:31,253 --> 00:35:36,453
Speaker 8: employees with that, We didn't lose any because of the

794
00:35:37,213 --> 00:35:40,053
Speaker 8: testing when we brought it in. We graduated it. So

795
00:35:40,213 --> 00:35:43,453
Speaker 8: we had the drug and alcohol policy. First, we supported

796
00:35:43,493 --> 00:35:48,853
Speaker 8: the people that had problems with counseling and getting them

797
00:35:48,853 --> 00:35:54,093
Speaker 8: off the drugs and their families as well, and we

798
00:35:54,213 --> 00:35:58,333
Speaker 8: were able to significantly help a number of people there.

799
00:35:58,853 --> 00:36:03,493
Speaker 8: And then when we had the pre employment testing and

800
00:36:03,893 --> 00:36:07,413
Speaker 8: it just cleaned the stream of people coming to work

801
00:36:08,693 --> 00:36:10,253
Speaker 8: of the people that wants to come and work with

802
00:36:10,373 --> 00:36:11,533
Speaker 8: us increased.

803
00:36:12,133 --> 00:36:14,453
Speaker 2: So what did you have to go through to start

804
00:36:15,293 --> 00:36:18,533
Speaker 2: random drug testing at work? So you announced the policy?

805
00:36:18,813 --> 00:36:21,413
Speaker 2: Did you bring in professionals to do it? You know,

806
00:36:21,533 --> 00:36:23,373
Speaker 2: what's the process of bringing that into a company.

807
00:36:24,453 --> 00:36:26,733
Speaker 8: So we were the first thing we did was announce

808
00:36:26,813 --> 00:36:29,173
Speaker 8: the policy, and we did that with a drug and

809
00:36:29,213 --> 00:36:32,973
Speaker 8: alcohol counselor at staff meetings where staff were able to

810
00:36:33,013 --> 00:36:36,893
Speaker 8: bring their families along as well. So we announced that.

811
00:36:37,173 --> 00:36:40,133
Speaker 8: We went through that process. The next stage we brought

812
00:36:40,173 --> 00:36:42,733
Speaker 8: in was the pre employment testing and that was that

813
00:36:42,893 --> 00:36:46,893
Speaker 8: was relatively simple to bring in because it was merely

814
00:36:47,013 --> 00:36:51,773
Speaker 8: an advertisement that in the ad we would say you

815
00:36:51,853 --> 00:36:55,013
Speaker 8: would need to pass a drug screen screening test to

816
00:36:55,133 --> 00:36:55,773
Speaker 8: gain employment.

817
00:36:55,853 --> 00:36:56,093
Speaker 7: With us.

818
00:36:57,773 --> 00:37:00,853
Speaker 8: That that alone cleaned out a lot of people from

819
00:37:00,933 --> 00:37:03,853
Speaker 8: coming In the next part, after we had that in,

820
00:37:04,413 --> 00:37:07,692
Speaker 8: we were we were drug testing for cause. So if

821
00:37:07,733 --> 00:37:11,773
Speaker 8: there was a setreous harm accident or incident, or or

822
00:37:11,813 --> 00:37:14,573
Speaker 8: a health and safety incident, we were drugged, we would

823
00:37:14,973 --> 00:37:16,732
Speaker 8: suggest that we were going to do a drug test.

824
00:37:17,373 --> 00:37:20,413
Speaker 8: If that person failed that drug test, we then provide

825
00:37:20,453 --> 00:37:23,573
Speaker 8: support to help them get off the drugs. If they

826
00:37:23,693 --> 00:37:28,293
Speaker 8: failed again, then we didn't. It didn't become a disciplinary

827
00:37:28,373 --> 00:37:31,853
Speaker 8: issue until such time as it was causing a hazard

828
00:37:31,973 --> 00:37:36,413
Speaker 8: for others. But then once we got through all of that,

829
00:37:37,053 --> 00:37:39,813
Speaker 8: we just got to the stage of introducing random blood test,

830
00:37:40,613 --> 00:37:44,213
Speaker 8: random drug testing, and we did it from from the

831
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Speaker 8: top to the bottom, every single person. I mean, as

832
00:37:47,053 --> 00:37:55,133
Speaker 8: a director, I was drug tested about nine times. Yep, lucky, lucky,

833
00:37:56,853 --> 00:38:00,293
Speaker 8: but it was truly random. And what it meant was that,

834
00:38:01,053 --> 00:38:04,813
Speaker 8: as I say, a health and safety record significantly improved.

835
00:38:05,733 --> 00:38:08,133
Speaker 8: People were far more were engaged, we had a much

836
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Speaker 8: where environment as a result.

837
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Speaker 3: Sorry, Glenn, we've just got to jump out there and

838
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Speaker 3: go to the news. I thank you for your call.

839
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Speaker 4: Interesting, Yeah, what a great call. We're going to carry

840
00:38:17,733 --> 00:38:20,093
Speaker 4: this on after two o'clock, so love to hear from you.

841
00:38:20,533 --> 00:38:23,413
Speaker 4: A concrete boss has said that drugs and alcohol for

842
00:38:23,453 --> 00:38:26,253
Speaker 4: the reason he can't find staff. Is that a situation

843
00:38:26,413 --> 00:38:28,692
Speaker 4: you're facing right now as a trade e O eight

844
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Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

845
00:38:30,813 --> 00:38:33,173
Speaker 4: Nine two ninety two is the text number. News and

846
00:38:33,253 --> 00:38:36,053
Speaker 4: sports and weather coming up very fast. Stay right here.

847
00:38:36,133 --> 00:38:39,213
Speaker 4: We're going to carry this on in a few minutes.

848
00:38:39,293 --> 00:38:40,533
Speaker 4: It is three minutes to two.

849
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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

850
00:38:46,173 --> 00:38:47,973
Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talks.

851
00:38:48,013 --> 00:38:51,893
Speaker 4: It'd be very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into

852
00:38:51,933 --> 00:38:54,613
Speaker 4: the program. It is seven past two now, just before

853
00:38:54,653 --> 00:38:57,453
Speaker 4: we get back into the conversation about drugged ut workers.

854
00:38:58,013 --> 00:38:58,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

855
00:38:58,813 --> 00:39:01,893
Speaker 2: So earlier in the show is talking about a stoat

856
00:39:02,933 --> 00:39:04,573
Speaker 2: and I said it was a very good looking stoat

857
00:39:04,653 --> 00:39:08,013
Speaker 2: that my like like sort of a brad pity sort

858
00:39:08,053 --> 00:39:11,133
Speaker 2: of alpha stoat that looked like if there was a

859
00:39:11,253 --> 00:39:14,253
Speaker 2: movie that they needed stoat in it, then that was

860
00:39:14,293 --> 00:39:14,613
Speaker 2: the hero.

861
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Speaker 3: It would be this stoat, right, Yeah, And I told

862
00:39:17,093 --> 00:39:17,253
Speaker 3: you that.

863
00:39:17,293 --> 00:39:19,333
Speaker 2: I told everyone that I put a picture up on

864
00:39:19,453 --> 00:39:22,813
Speaker 2: maheathan z which is my Instagram on the story, so

865
00:39:22,893 --> 00:39:24,813
Speaker 2: people can if they if they wanted to check that out,

866
00:39:24,813 --> 00:39:26,893
Speaker 2: they could go and have a lock Yep, I think

867
00:39:26,933 --> 00:39:28,813
Speaker 2: it was a weasel, So I've got to walk back

868
00:39:28,853 --> 00:39:30,613
Speaker 2: my comments. I think the reason why it was such

869
00:39:30,653 --> 00:39:34,813
Speaker 2: a good looking heroics sort of leading man stoat as

870
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Speaker 2: it's actually a weasel.

871
00:39:35,853 --> 00:39:37,653
Speaker 4: Ah right, I mean a fear it.

872
00:39:37,773 --> 00:39:38,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, I fear it.

873
00:39:39,133 --> 00:39:40,613
Speaker 2: So if you go there, you'll have to You'll have

874
00:39:40,733 --> 00:39:43,253
Speaker 2: to flick through a bunch of pictures of my dog

875
00:39:43,373 --> 00:39:44,933
Speaker 2: Colin sleeping on his new bed.

876
00:39:44,893 --> 00:39:46,293
Speaker 4: Which is lovely. That's really nice.

877
00:39:46,533 --> 00:39:49,653
Speaker 2: They're talking about cost of living, pricess and inflation. The

878
00:39:49,973 --> 00:39:52,173
Speaker 2: bed I got for my Colin. My dog Colin just

879
00:39:52,293 --> 00:39:55,093
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five, ok Martin.

880
00:39:54,853 --> 00:39:55,173
Speaker 1: He loves it.

881
00:39:55,213 --> 00:39:56,173
Speaker 4: Wor Yeah, fantastic.

882
00:39:56,413 --> 00:39:58,453
Speaker 2: But then you flicked through a few punishing pictures of

883
00:39:58,493 --> 00:40:00,573
Speaker 2: my dog and you'll get to this stoat, which I'm

884
00:40:00,813 --> 00:40:03,573
Speaker 2: absolutely positive as a fear it now, So I'm but

885
00:40:03,733 --> 00:40:04,453
Speaker 2: humiliated by that.

886
00:40:04,613 --> 00:40:06,453
Speaker 4: Why you have changed and said or is it a fearet?

887
00:40:06,613 --> 00:40:08,813
Speaker 4: I've got some ferre effects for you here if you want. Okay,

888
00:40:09,053 --> 00:40:12,533
Speaker 4: so a ferret larger and stockier, so you know the

889
00:40:12,613 --> 00:40:15,172
Speaker 4: brad pets, Yes, with adults weighing up to one point

890
00:40:15,213 --> 00:40:16,853
Speaker 4: three kilos, So that's a good you know, that's a

891
00:40:16,893 --> 00:40:17,893
Speaker 4: good size of merits.

892
00:40:17,893 --> 00:40:19,813
Speaker 3: I've made a fool of myself again here because I've

893
00:40:19,893 --> 00:40:20,453
Speaker 3: just said.

894
00:40:20,253 --> 00:40:22,893
Speaker 2: I've upgraded this stoat. So a good looking stoat is

895
00:40:22,893 --> 00:40:26,693
Speaker 2: a ferret. Yeah, like a powerful, big muscular stoat is

896
00:40:26,693 --> 00:40:28,212
Speaker 2: a ferret. You don't get a stocky stoat.

897
00:40:28,333 --> 00:40:28,813
Speaker 16: But there we go.

898
00:40:28,973 --> 00:40:30,053
Speaker 4: Good to clarify that, Okay.

899
00:40:30,213 --> 00:40:33,053
Speaker 2: So anyway, just to finish off, that ferret was very

900
00:40:33,093 --> 00:40:35,253
Speaker 2: good at dealing with his rabbit population down there in

901
00:40:35,293 --> 00:40:35,893
Speaker 2: central Taga.

902
00:40:35,973 --> 00:40:38,733
Speaker 4: Yeah, and nobody said it wasn't good looking. So yeah, fantastic,

903
00:40:38,893 --> 00:40:40,853
Speaker 4: right right back to this discussion we're having.

904
00:40:40,933 --> 00:40:42,693
Speaker 3: So put that key issue behind us and move on

905
00:40:42,773 --> 00:40:43,333
Speaker 3: to this other one.

906
00:40:43,413 --> 00:40:45,453
Speaker 4: Done and dust. This is a key issue. So a

907
00:40:45,533 --> 00:40:48,172
Speaker 4: concreteor he has claimed drugs and alcohol for the reason

908
00:40:48,253 --> 00:40:51,813
Speaker 4: he can't find good, reliable staff. This is the quote

909
00:40:51,813 --> 00:40:53,293
Speaker 4: from him. He said they all like getting on the

910
00:40:53,333 --> 00:40:55,253
Speaker 4: person on the weekend and the booger sugar, the rec

911
00:40:55,373 --> 00:40:58,373
Speaker 4: quote and certain things like that. So is that really

912
00:40:58,493 --> 00:41:00,133
Speaker 4: true out there? And it appears it is for a

913
00:41:00,173 --> 00:41:01,933
Speaker 4: lot of people that are struggling to find workers.

914
00:41:02,133 --> 00:41:04,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, the sixth is my son twenty two. This is

915
00:41:04,373 --> 00:41:07,693
Speaker 2: Tammy always lands the digger jobs at the dairy factory

916
00:41:07,733 --> 00:41:10,853
Speaker 2: as his boss always knows he will pass the drug tests.

917
00:41:10,853 --> 00:41:11,333
Speaker 3: Proud mum.

918
00:41:11,573 --> 00:41:15,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you know, you're gonna be pushed towards

919
00:41:15,813 --> 00:41:18,732
Speaker 2: higher things, if you're known to be the sober guy. Hey, guys,

920
00:41:18,773 --> 00:41:20,413
Speaker 2: I was working in the late eighties nineties and there

921
00:41:20,453 --> 00:41:22,133
Speaker 2: were a lot of people on weed. But we were

922
00:41:22,173 --> 00:41:24,253
Speaker 2: a different breed back then. We worked hard and we

923
00:41:24,333 --> 00:41:27,172
Speaker 2: were safe people. Right, Okay, yes, this is an interesting

924
00:41:27,253 --> 00:41:29,013
Speaker 2: text as well. Come on, this is stupid. It depends

925
00:41:29,013 --> 00:41:31,333
Speaker 2: who you are. I can work hungover fine, others can't.

926
00:41:31,373 --> 00:41:34,613
Speaker 2: I'm a landscaper telling you. I'm telling you now.

927
00:41:34,733 --> 00:41:37,333
Speaker 3: My whole crew are stoned or hungover most days. I

928
00:41:37,453 --> 00:41:38,853
Speaker 3: have two boys. They are like me.

929
00:41:39,413 --> 00:41:42,933
Speaker 2: I smoke with the boys on the job, escalating tight

930
00:41:43,053 --> 00:41:45,693
Speaker 2: squad would be crazy if I ping them for what

931
00:41:45,773 --> 00:41:48,373
Speaker 2: I do. We've cracked beers before lunch and still got

932
00:41:48,413 --> 00:41:51,853
Speaker 2: the job done. We've had if all accidents. This is

933
00:41:51,933 --> 00:41:54,093
Speaker 2: just a beat up. It's how you do the job,

934
00:41:54,253 --> 00:41:55,133
Speaker 2: not what you were on.

935
00:41:55,413 --> 00:41:57,013
Speaker 3: When you do the job. Love the show.

936
00:41:57,373 --> 00:41:59,373
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all of it. I mean, is that integrity

937
00:41:59,453 --> 00:42:02,692
Speaker 4: that it's he's you know, Johnny doing what the other

938
00:42:02,733 --> 00:42:03,212
Speaker 4: boys are doing.

939
00:42:03,213 --> 00:42:05,692
Speaker 3: Anyway, has it integrity to crack beers before lunch?

940
00:42:06,413 --> 00:42:08,813
Speaker 4: Maybe not for the clients. I mean, hell of an

941
00:42:08,813 --> 00:42:09,533
Speaker 4: admission to make.

942
00:42:09,893 --> 00:42:12,893
Speaker 2: If you come around to you know, you know, we

943
00:42:13,173 --> 00:42:15,493
Speaker 2: know Eve employed this landscape company. You come around, it's

944
00:42:16,133 --> 00:42:18,933
Speaker 2: eleven fifteen am and they're cracking the beers, having a

945
00:42:18,973 --> 00:42:19,773
Speaker 2: couple of doughbros.

946
00:42:19,853 --> 00:42:20,053
Speaker 3: Yep.

947
00:42:20,933 --> 00:42:23,573
Speaker 2: Are you fine if they've got enough work done when

948
00:42:23,613 --> 00:42:24,573
Speaker 2: you come back round at five?

949
00:42:24,733 --> 00:42:27,333
Speaker 4: If it looks good, yeah, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten

950
00:42:27,413 --> 00:42:30,373
Speaker 4: eighty is they've had they've had if all accidents, so

951
00:42:30,653 --> 00:42:34,652
Speaker 4: it's ages they've had some. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

952
00:42:34,733 --> 00:42:36,573
Speaker 4: eighty is the number to call if you have in

953
00:42:36,653 --> 00:42:38,933
Speaker 4: trouble finding good workers because you think they are on

954
00:42:39,053 --> 00:42:41,453
Speaker 4: drugs and you do drug testing in your workplace. We'd

955
00:42:41,533 --> 00:42:42,253
Speaker 4: love to hear from you.

956
00:42:42,413 --> 00:42:42,773
Speaker 3: What is this?

957
00:42:42,893 --> 00:42:45,333
Speaker 2: As an alcohol drug worker myself, I was asked to

958
00:42:45,373 --> 00:42:48,053
Speaker 2: be tested as someone accused me of using myth So

959
00:42:48,253 --> 00:42:51,292
Speaker 2: they are they a worker that's on alcohol and drugs

960
00:42:51,373 --> 00:42:54,133
Speaker 2: or someone that looks into the alcoholic drugs? I was

961
00:42:54,213 --> 00:42:56,053
Speaker 2: tested as someone accused me of being on myth. I

962
00:42:56,173 --> 00:42:59,773
Speaker 2: said to them, sure, but you must test all staff.

963
00:42:59,853 --> 00:43:02,333
Speaker 2: I had no issue with being tested, but there was

964
00:43:02,333 --> 00:43:04,533
Speaker 2: a lot of staff that were rigid cannabis users, probably

965
00:43:04,533 --> 00:43:07,573
Speaker 2: half the organization. It was common knowledge amongst staff and management,

966
00:43:07,893 --> 00:43:10,013
Speaker 2: A safety say. I never needed to take the test.

967
00:43:10,213 --> 00:43:10,773
Speaker 1: Far around.

968
00:43:10,853 --> 00:43:13,893
Speaker 4: I wonder what organization that was. Now, Oh, eight hundred

969
00:43:13,933 --> 00:43:16,413
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty is the number to call taking your

970
00:43:16,853 --> 00:43:19,933
Speaker 4: stories on this one? It is eleven past two. Back

971
00:43:20,053 --> 00:43:20,573
Speaker 4: very surely?

972
00:43:21,093 --> 00:43:24,692
Speaker 2: Is it hard to find workers in New Zealand who

973
00:43:24,773 --> 00:43:27,733
Speaker 2: are not wasted on booze and the nose candy as

974
00:43:27,773 --> 00:43:28,933
Speaker 2: this guy has suggested?

975
00:43:31,173 --> 00:43:35,653
Speaker 1: Wow, your home of afternoon talk, mad Heathen Taylor Adams

976
00:43:35,773 --> 00:43:39,733
Speaker 1: afternoons call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talk said, be.

977
00:43:41,973 --> 00:43:44,413
Speaker 4: For a good afternoon tu fourteen past two. Plenty of

978
00:43:44,493 --> 00:43:45,212
Speaker 4: texts coming through.

979
00:43:45,333 --> 00:43:48,373
Speaker 2: This is on another issue around the stoat and the

980
00:43:48,533 --> 00:43:52,573
Speaker 2: ferret pounds for pound, which one's tougher stoats.

981
00:43:52,333 --> 00:43:53,253
Speaker 3: Ferrets or weasels.

982
00:43:53,493 --> 00:43:54,373
Speaker 4: It's a great question.

983
00:43:54,693 --> 00:43:57,453
Speaker 2: I would say stoats ferrets, then weasels. I'd say weasels

984
00:43:57,493 --> 00:43:59,533
Speaker 2: are tougher than ferrets, and ferrets are tougher than stoats.

985
00:43:59,653 --> 00:44:01,133
Speaker 4: We're going to look into that and I find an

986
00:44:01,133 --> 00:44:01,893
Speaker 4: answer on that one.

987
00:44:02,013 --> 00:44:04,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a great question, but it's a sad question.

988
00:44:04,133 --> 00:44:07,693
Speaker 2: It's not really what we're focusing on. Hi, guys, Class

989
00:44:07,733 --> 00:44:09,973
Speaker 2: five truck. And I think the drug and alcohol testing

990
00:44:10,093 --> 00:44:12,053
Speaker 2: is great. Makes me feel safer on the roads. The

991
00:44:12,093 --> 00:44:15,253
Speaker 2: young guys these days keep getting busted. Seems some youth

992
00:44:15,333 --> 00:44:18,133
Speaker 2: don't care. Other issue is so many foreign drivers end

993
00:44:18,173 --> 00:44:21,053
Speaker 2: up on the roads that don't fully understand our road rules.

994
00:44:21,213 --> 00:44:23,813
Speaker 2: A pretty dangerous feeling. Good to know that people aren't

995
00:44:23,813 --> 00:44:25,373
Speaker 2: wasted as well. That's from Gazer.

996
00:44:25,533 --> 00:44:26,573
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you very much.

997
00:44:27,493 --> 00:44:27,773
Speaker 15: Jeff.

998
00:44:28,173 --> 00:44:29,173
Speaker 4: What's your take on this.

999
00:44:30,773 --> 00:44:33,413
Speaker 7: I might have thought about drugs and alcohol made I'll

1000
00:44:33,453 --> 00:44:36,533
Speaker 7: tell you what. I worked an orphand in the eighties

1001
00:44:37,093 --> 00:44:44,173
Speaker 7: on several construction jobs and alcohol and drug became a

1002
00:44:44,333 --> 00:44:49,172
Speaker 7: big problem. Pletcher's bought a van on and they were

1003
00:44:49,253 --> 00:44:54,253
Speaker 7: drug testing and alcohol testing. If you went over, you

1004
00:44:54,333 --> 00:44:58,212
Speaker 7: were saying home, come back in a week's time. If

1005
00:44:58,253 --> 00:44:59,973
Speaker 7: you did it again, you're fired.

1006
00:45:00,093 --> 00:45:02,413
Speaker 8: You're down the road, which is a good thing.

1007
00:45:02,933 --> 00:45:03,133
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1008
00:45:03,333 --> 00:45:05,692
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And so how long ago was that, Jeff Well,

1009
00:45:05,733 --> 00:45:07,933
Speaker 4: I mentioned they're still probably doing something similar now.

1010
00:45:09,013 --> 00:45:11,973
Speaker 7: Yeah, And it wasn't just there. It was main Seal Construction.

1011
00:45:12,173 --> 00:45:15,692
Speaker 7: That's the company that went under. But they were having

1012
00:45:15,813 --> 00:45:18,373
Speaker 7: major problems. And I was working on the own who

1013
00:45:20,053 --> 00:45:25,573
Speaker 7: Who Police station and that was a problem that you know,

1014
00:45:25,693 --> 00:45:30,333
Speaker 7: the young guys were coming to work, you know that

1015
00:45:30,613 --> 00:45:34,693
Speaker 7: they were just in fup on Disneyland, and but that

1016
00:45:34,853 --> 00:45:36,252
Speaker 7: one of flences was bad.

1017
00:45:36,933 --> 00:45:37,933
Speaker 6: It was really bad.

1018
00:45:38,053 --> 00:45:40,933
Speaker 7: I never seen anything like it because I didn't know

1019
00:45:41,053 --> 00:45:46,653
Speaker 7: all about this stuff until when I worked on reconstruction jobs.

1020
00:45:47,453 --> 00:45:52,053
Speaker 7: So when you sign a contract now, I'm not building

1021
00:45:52,133 --> 00:45:55,293
Speaker 7: now because of my age, but if you sign any

1022
00:45:55,373 --> 00:46:00,533
Speaker 7: kind of a contract that says do you object or

1023
00:46:00,813 --> 00:46:04,533
Speaker 7: are you agreeable to have a drug and alcohol tests?

1024
00:46:05,533 --> 00:46:08,613
Speaker 7: And I was put this, of course i am because

1025
00:46:08,613 --> 00:46:09,613
Speaker 7: I don't have that problem.

1026
00:46:10,133 --> 00:46:12,973
Speaker 2: Thanks for you cool, Jeff, you're pretty brazen to be. Yeah,

1027
00:46:14,333 --> 00:46:16,533
Speaker 2: you know, building the police station when you're wasted on drunks.

1028
00:46:17,133 --> 00:46:18,333
Speaker 4: That's a hell of a power move.

1029
00:46:18,413 --> 00:46:21,213
Speaker 2: This sounds like you should be drug testing your callers.

1030
00:46:21,813 --> 00:46:24,133
Speaker 2: I run a big renovations company. None of my guys

1031
00:46:24,253 --> 00:46:26,653
Speaker 2: drink or do drugs. We always get the job done properly,

1032
00:46:26,973 --> 00:46:28,732
Speaker 2: on budget and on time. It took me a long

1033
00:46:28,813 --> 00:46:30,293
Speaker 2: time to put this team together.

1034
00:46:31,693 --> 00:46:32,093
Speaker 3: Drugs.

1035
00:46:34,053 --> 00:46:37,493
Speaker 2: Drugs mean falling drink drunks, fall off ladders, and crackhead

1036
00:46:37,533 --> 00:46:40,853
Speaker 2: steal tools to sell for drugs of sex several. Yeah,

1037
00:46:40,893 --> 00:46:42,573
Speaker 2: I mean, what's that saying? Never go into business with

1038
00:46:42,613 --> 00:46:43,973
Speaker 2: a glass barbecue enthusiasm.

1039
00:46:44,093 --> 00:46:47,373
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good, good advice that one kiddo. Guys

1040
00:46:47,413 --> 00:46:51,173
Speaker 4: I used to drive trucks. Also, medium dependent drug user,

1041
00:46:51,333 --> 00:46:56,253
Speaker 4: only ever use speed amphetamine or dixie am fetamine as

1042
00:46:56,253 --> 00:46:58,853
Speaker 4: a tool to stay awake, not actually get high. I

1043
00:46:59,013 --> 00:47:01,773
Speaker 4: drove line hall units all over New Zealand for ten

1044
00:47:01,813 --> 00:47:04,253
Speaker 4: plus years and never failed to drug test because you

1045
00:47:04,333 --> 00:47:06,853
Speaker 4: can peek class as out in twenty four hours. All

1046
00:47:06,893 --> 00:47:09,413
Speaker 4: the dope smokers got smashed when the drug van came

1047
00:47:09,533 --> 00:47:13,373
Speaker 4: to site. The scariest part is, though, is you'll always

1048
00:47:13,453 --> 00:47:16,853
Speaker 4: find some kiwi butler who is just drinking five hundred

1049
00:47:16,893 --> 00:47:21,213
Speaker 4: mil versus smoking siggi's and out working and outperforming all

1050
00:47:21,253 --> 00:47:24,653
Speaker 4: the meth and amphetamine users out there, right, had some

1051
00:47:24,733 --> 00:47:25,853
Speaker 4: good inside and knowledge.

1052
00:47:25,613 --> 00:47:28,173
Speaker 3: Do the old trucker speed situation? Yeah, you who are

1053
00:47:28,213 --> 00:47:28,653
Speaker 3: the rumors?

1054
00:47:29,373 --> 00:47:31,013
Speaker 2: A few years ago I noticed some of the road

1055
00:47:31,093 --> 00:47:34,373
Speaker 2: crew that we're revealing resealing the road. I guess it's

1056
00:47:34,373 --> 00:47:36,973
Speaker 2: he's outside my real property having a doobie behind my hedge,

1057
00:47:37,333 --> 00:47:40,172
Speaker 2: I went out with one of my own I ended

1058
00:47:40,253 --> 00:47:42,493
Speaker 2: up getting my whole driveway tars sealed for a bag

1059
00:47:42,573 --> 00:47:43,613
Speaker 2: of great deal.

1060
00:47:44,293 --> 00:47:45,973
Speaker 4: Smart working Henry, Yeah, good work.

1061
00:47:46,653 --> 00:47:48,093
Speaker 3: That's story out of Twisted its Tale.

1062
00:47:48,253 --> 00:47:51,253
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, it's a win win situation. A right, one

1063
00:47:51,373 --> 00:47:53,533
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1064
00:47:53,653 --> 00:47:56,893
Speaker 4: Are you like this concrete who is struggling to find

1065
00:47:57,133 --> 00:48:00,213
Speaker 4: good reliable staff because they're all on the drink and drugs,

1066
00:48:00,293 --> 00:48:02,133
Speaker 4: really keen to hear from you and coming up very

1067
00:48:02,133 --> 00:48:03,453
Speaker 4: shortly as well. We are going to have a chat

1068
00:48:03,493 --> 00:48:06,493
Speaker 4: to Gareth Abden, or employment law expert and friend of

1069
00:48:06,653 --> 00:48:09,013
Speaker 4: the show. There's a few questions come, I mean two

1070
00:48:09,213 --> 00:48:11,172
Speaker 4: are nine to ninety two about drug testing, so we'll

1071
00:48:11,173 --> 00:48:11,773
Speaker 4: put those to him.

1072
00:48:11,933 --> 00:48:14,693
Speaker 3: How would you fail an alcohol tests?

1073
00:48:14,893 --> 00:48:14,933
Speaker 14: Is?

1074
00:48:15,013 --> 00:48:17,533
Speaker 2: How much too much? Having drinks over the weekend? Would

1075
00:48:17,533 --> 00:48:19,253
Speaker 2: you fail an our contest on Monday? Well, I mean

1076
00:48:19,493 --> 00:48:21,333
Speaker 2: if you're if you're not drunk, then you can't fail

1077
00:48:21,373 --> 00:48:23,533
Speaker 2: the alcohol test, right, yeah, so it leaves your system

1078
00:48:23,573 --> 00:48:25,652
Speaker 2: a lot quicker than the cannabis does.

1079
00:48:25,813 --> 00:48:25,973
Speaker 16: Yep.

1080
00:48:26,133 --> 00:48:27,773
Speaker 4: Right, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1081
00:48:27,853 --> 00:48:30,653
Speaker 4: number to call, but Gareth Abdnor is up next. It

1082
00:48:30,813 --> 00:48:31,853
Speaker 4: is nineteen past two.

1083
00:48:35,813 --> 00:48:39,213
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1084
00:48:39,253 --> 00:48:42,133
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on us talk ZV for a good afternoon.

1085
00:48:42,213 --> 00:48:44,253
Speaker 4: It is twenty one past two. So there's been a

1086
00:48:44,293 --> 00:48:46,653
Speaker 4: heck of a lot of questions come through on the

1087
00:48:46,733 --> 00:48:50,013
Speaker 4: phone and on our text machine about the legal ramifications

1088
00:48:50,053 --> 00:48:52,333
Speaker 4: of drug tests and it works. So Gareth ab Denoor

1089
00:48:52,493 --> 00:48:55,133
Speaker 4: he is an expert in employment law and director at

1090
00:48:55,173 --> 00:48:57,933
Speaker 4: abden Or Law, friend of the show, and he is

1091
00:48:58,053 --> 00:49:02,933
Speaker 4: back with us. Gareth, very good afternoon to you, Gareth.

1092
00:49:03,093 --> 00:49:06,613
Speaker 2: So, if you are a company and you think that

1093
00:49:06,933 --> 00:49:08,733
Speaker 2: you know you're an employer, and you think that some

1094
00:49:08,853 --> 00:49:12,253
Speaker 2: of your workers may be drug and paired, what can

1095
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Speaker 2: you do? Can you just spring a test on them?

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Speaker 2: Or is there a process leading up to it?

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00:49:17,253 --> 00:49:20,813
Speaker 10: Yeah, as always, there's definitely a process, and the first

1098
00:49:21,013 --> 00:49:25,533
Speaker 10: step is that the employer really needs to have a

1099
00:49:25,773 --> 00:49:30,813
Speaker 10: drug testing policy and ideally some provisions in the employment

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00:49:30,853 --> 00:49:32,373
Speaker 10: agreement that gives them the.

1101
00:49:32,493 --> 00:49:33,853
Speaker 3: Right to drug test.

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Speaker 10: Those drug tests can either be on a random basis

1103
00:49:38,813 --> 00:49:42,093
Speaker 10: or if they have cause. And what that means is

1104
00:49:42,693 --> 00:49:46,253
Speaker 10: if you see someone behaving strangely, or they have an

1105
00:49:46,373 --> 00:49:51,853
Speaker 10: accident and the circumstances but weird. Then that gives you

1106
00:49:51,933 --> 00:49:53,213
Speaker 10: the ability to test them.

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00:49:54,173 --> 00:49:56,413
Speaker 2: What rights does the worker have when it comes to

1108
00:49:56,493 --> 00:50:00,133
Speaker 2: drug testing? Can you know, can you reject a drug test?

1109
00:50:01,933 --> 00:50:06,613
Speaker 10: There you can refuse to take the drug test? Of course,

1110
00:50:07,093 --> 00:50:10,613
Speaker 10: I always say that, you know, we have lots of choices,

1111
00:50:10,733 --> 00:50:15,853
Speaker 10: but they're potentially consequences to those choices. And so if

1112
00:50:16,013 --> 00:50:19,573
Speaker 10: the employment agreement provides for drug testing, or there's a

1113
00:50:19,653 --> 00:50:23,013
Speaker 10: policy that provides for drug testing, and you refuse to

1114
00:50:23,093 --> 00:50:29,453
Speaker 10: take the test, then often the employer can they can

1115
00:50:29,533 --> 00:50:34,573
Speaker 10: make decisions based on your refusal. A lot of employment

1116
00:50:34,653 --> 00:50:38,933
Speaker 10: agreements actually say that refusing to take the test is

1117
00:50:39,053 --> 00:50:44,093
Speaker 10: itself grounds for disinary actions. So might be a case

1118
00:50:44,173 --> 00:50:46,133
Speaker 10: of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

1119
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Speaker 2: So if you're an employer, you should and you're worried

1120
00:50:48,893 --> 00:50:51,333
Speaker 2: about this, you should have it in the employment contract,

1121
00:50:52,013 --> 00:50:54,933
Speaker 2: you know, before for people get on site, what about

1122
00:50:54,933 --> 00:50:57,413
Speaker 2: the type of test? Because someone might be like, you know,

1123
00:50:57,773 --> 00:51:00,533
Speaker 2: I don't mind being tested, but I don't really feel

1124
00:51:00,613 --> 00:51:03,773
Speaker 2: like peeing into something, you know, can you swap me?

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00:51:05,853 --> 00:51:06,093
Speaker 6: Yeah?

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00:51:06,493 --> 00:51:09,053
Speaker 10: I mean this is often covered in the drug testing

1127
00:51:09,173 --> 00:51:14,253
Speaker 10: policy as well. What I generally say to clients has

1128
00:51:14,613 --> 00:51:23,053
Speaker 10: followed best practice. It's amazing how pretty robust individuals become

1129
00:51:23,293 --> 00:51:26,133
Speaker 10: very shy when it comes to drug testing, especially when

1130
00:51:26,173 --> 00:51:28,453
Speaker 10: they think they're going to return a non negative key.

1131
00:51:29,693 --> 00:51:30,853
Speaker 3: So certainly you can't.

1132
00:51:30,933 --> 00:51:34,453
Speaker 2: You know, you get what's it called state rights?

1133
00:51:34,613 --> 00:51:35,333
Speaker 3: Right, that's right?

1134
00:51:35,453 --> 00:51:35,652
Speaker 5: Even.

1135
00:51:38,253 --> 00:51:41,533
Speaker 4: Yeah, And when it comes to random testing, Garris, how

1136
00:51:41,653 --> 00:51:44,853
Speaker 4: random is random? Does it have to be fully random?

1137
00:51:45,133 --> 00:51:47,653
Speaker 4: Or our employers with the right to say this is

1138
00:51:47,733 --> 00:51:50,053
Speaker 4: random drug testing, but we're coming after Priva because Treva

1139
00:51:50,093 --> 00:51:51,013
Speaker 4: always looks a bit often.

1140
00:51:52,693 --> 00:51:57,693
Speaker 10: Well, technically that's not random. I'm not going to pretend

1141
00:51:58,013 --> 00:52:03,213
Speaker 10: that employers don't sometimes say that it's random when it's not.

1142
00:52:03,413 --> 00:52:06,373
Speaker 10: Of course, you have to prove that, you have to,

1143
00:52:06,933 --> 00:52:11,013
Speaker 10: you have to disprove that it's random. But as I

1144
00:52:11,093 --> 00:52:14,333
Speaker 10: said before, much better to have a robust policy, have

1145
00:52:14,613 --> 00:52:18,013
Speaker 10: robust provisions in the employment agreement, and then if you've

1146
00:52:18,013 --> 00:52:21,213
Speaker 10: got suspicions, you don't need to pretend it's random.

1147
00:52:22,333 --> 00:52:24,613
Speaker 3: How fast should you go? Should you do?

1148
00:52:24,773 --> 00:52:27,813
Speaker 2: Everyone from the top down, so if you're you're the boss,

1149
00:52:27,973 --> 00:52:29,933
Speaker 2: you should all be put into the lottery for the

1150
00:52:30,013 --> 00:52:30,933
Speaker 2: random testing.

1151
00:52:33,453 --> 00:52:37,453
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's a that's an interesting one. I've I've never

1152
00:52:37,573 --> 00:52:41,212
Speaker 10: been asked that before. I think it really comes down

1153
00:52:41,333 --> 00:52:46,653
Speaker 10: to the nature of the jobs. If you're working in

1154
00:52:46,733 --> 00:52:50,732
Speaker 10: a safety sensitive role, I think it's you know, it's

1155
00:52:50,853 --> 00:52:53,053
Speaker 10: pretty fair enough that you're going to be drug tested.

1156
00:52:54,053 --> 00:52:58,533
Speaker 10: We don't want anyone operating heavy machinery or working at

1157
00:52:58,573 --> 00:53:04,093
Speaker 10: the airport or anything like that. You know, working in

1158
00:53:04,133 --> 00:53:07,212
Speaker 10: a job where if you don't pay attention, you might

1159
00:53:07,293 --> 00:53:09,973
Speaker 10: get hurt, or you or someone else might get sued.

1160
00:53:11,533 --> 00:53:15,133
Speaker 2: To find that though, because any given job there is risks.

1161
00:53:15,293 --> 00:53:17,293
Speaker 2: I mean, you can have someone climbing up to get

1162
00:53:17,333 --> 00:53:20,093
Speaker 2: a stapler from the stationary cupboard and if they're drunken

1163
00:53:20,213 --> 00:53:25,773
Speaker 2: aspect of breakup, yeah, so can any kinds of employees

1164
00:53:25,893 --> 00:53:28,053
Speaker 2: put a drug test in place or that you have

1165
00:53:28,213 --> 00:53:30,213
Speaker 2: to say, you have to show that this is this

1166
00:53:30,413 --> 00:53:33,212
Speaker 2: is a reasonably dangerous workplace where people can get injured

1167
00:53:33,293 --> 00:53:35,093
Speaker 2: or you know, you can induce yourself for others before

1168
00:53:35,133 --> 00:53:35,493
Speaker 2: you can do it.

1169
00:53:35,533 --> 00:53:40,453
Speaker 10: I think it's far easier to justify in a safety

1170
00:53:40,533 --> 00:53:45,133
Speaker 10: sensitive role, as you say, you could hurt yourself doing anything.

1171
00:53:46,573 --> 00:53:49,212
Speaker 10: But I generally look at it and I go, would

1172
00:53:49,213 --> 00:53:52,652
Speaker 10: an ordinary person think this was a safety sensitive role.

1173
00:53:53,053 --> 00:53:57,013
Speaker 10: You know, are you using sharp implements, heavy machinery, something

1174
00:53:57,133 --> 00:53:57,333
Speaker 10: like that.

1175
00:53:57,933 --> 00:53:59,533
Speaker 3: What are the consequences of.

1176
00:54:01,293 --> 00:54:05,213
Speaker 10: Someone not really being up to it while they're working,

1177
00:54:06,213 --> 00:54:08,733
Speaker 10: And that's what we need to look at. What lawyers

1178
00:54:08,813 --> 00:54:13,373
Speaker 10: sometimes get wrong is it's not the fact that someone's

1179
00:54:14,133 --> 00:54:19,693
Speaker 10: used drugs or uses drugs. Is it having an impact

1180
00:54:19,773 --> 00:54:21,893
Speaker 10: on them at work? Or is there a risk of

1181
00:54:21,973 --> 00:54:24,692
Speaker 10: that having an impact on meme at work? So we're

1182
00:54:24,733 --> 00:54:29,533
Speaker 10: not the moral police, but it needs to actually be

1183
00:54:29,693 --> 00:54:30,093
Speaker 10: a risk.

1184
00:54:31,293 --> 00:54:34,453
Speaker 2: Now, it's an interesting one with alcohols are very different

1185
00:54:34,533 --> 00:54:38,493
Speaker 2: from other drugs, so you can be pretty hungover and

1186
00:54:38,893 --> 00:54:41,333
Speaker 2: maybe you know, I mean, you're probably not going to

1187
00:54:41,373 --> 00:54:44,813
Speaker 2: detect that. Can can an employer go, well, I'm this

1188
00:54:44,933 --> 00:54:47,813
Speaker 2: person's clearly turning up to work hungover the day after day,

1189
00:54:48,293 --> 00:54:51,613
Speaker 2: but I can't test for it. So what recourse does

1190
00:54:51,693 --> 00:54:54,533
Speaker 2: the you know, what can an employer do under that circumstance.

1191
00:54:55,933 --> 00:54:57,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a matter of degree.

1192
00:54:57,893 --> 00:55:03,173
Speaker 10: You know, I think many people in our society have

1193
00:55:03,413 --> 00:55:06,493
Speaker 10: turned up to work after maybe having a one two

1194
00:55:06,613 --> 00:55:09,613
Speaker 10: many at a party or on the weekend or something

1195
00:55:09,733 --> 00:55:12,693
Speaker 10: like that. But if what an employer sees a pattern

1196
00:55:12,773 --> 00:55:18,213
Speaker 10: of someone being really unwell, being really hung over on

1197
00:55:18,293 --> 00:55:23,293
Speaker 10: a regular basis. That could point to, you know, a

1198
00:55:23,413 --> 00:55:27,613
Speaker 10: dependency problem. It could also be an indicator of other

1199
00:55:27,813 --> 00:55:32,652
Speaker 10: issues that the employer should be looking into. If it's

1200
00:55:32,733 --> 00:55:35,373
Speaker 10: just a one off and someone so cripped that they

1201
00:55:35,653 --> 00:55:39,133
Speaker 10: shouldn't be at work and shouldn't be working, well, you know,

1202
00:55:39,213 --> 00:55:41,053
Speaker 10: it might be that you get sent home for a

1203
00:55:41,133 --> 00:55:41,573
Speaker 10: sick day.

1204
00:55:42,333 --> 00:55:42,533
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1205
00:55:42,533 --> 00:55:44,693
Speaker 2: I remember one, particularly a New Year's Day when I

1206
00:55:44,853 --> 00:55:47,373
Speaker 2: was forced to work at Real Groovy Records in Auckland.

1207
00:55:47,453 --> 00:55:49,253
Speaker 3: I didn't get much work done.

1208
00:55:49,253 --> 00:55:50,933
Speaker 2: I spent most of the day with my head pressed

1209
00:55:50,933 --> 00:55:54,172
Speaker 2: against the toilet bowl, just trying to sort of stalize.

1210
00:55:53,693 --> 00:55:55,133
Speaker 4: That sounds like a sick name should have been a

1211
00:55:55,133 --> 00:55:55,493
Speaker 4: sick day.

1212
00:55:55,733 --> 00:56:00,773
Speaker 2: Well, there was definitely second valve in that. And finally,

1213
00:56:01,973 --> 00:56:03,693
Speaker 2: what I mean one of the big problems. You know,

1214
00:56:03,733 --> 00:56:05,693
Speaker 2: we talk about drag and payment, alcohol payment, but what

1215
00:56:05,773 --> 00:56:07,853
Speaker 2: about just tiredness And a lot of people have been

1216
00:56:07,893 --> 00:56:11,652
Speaker 2: texting and saying that their employees are playing video games

1217
00:56:11,733 --> 00:56:14,213
Speaker 2: till four am and then coming to work and just

1218
00:56:14,333 --> 00:56:16,252
Speaker 2: being too tired to work.

1219
00:56:16,373 --> 00:56:16,493
Speaker 7: Is that?

1220
00:56:17,133 --> 00:56:18,093
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you do about that?

1221
00:56:19,373 --> 00:56:24,933
Speaker 10: Well, that's potentially a disciplinary issue and it's potentially a

1222
00:56:25,053 --> 00:56:30,773
Speaker 10: performance issue. And you know, you get paid to carry

1223
00:56:30,813 --> 00:56:34,453
Speaker 10: out a role, to do a job. If if you

1224
00:56:34,853 --> 00:56:37,973
Speaker 10: choose to do things in your own time, that means

1225
00:56:38,053 --> 00:56:41,813
Speaker 10: you can't do your job. As I said before, there

1226
00:56:41,853 --> 00:56:48,173
Speaker 10: may be consequences to those choices. So you don't have

1227
00:56:48,293 --> 00:56:51,453
Speaker 10: to be taking drugs or be hungover for it to

1228
00:56:51,533 --> 00:56:55,013
Speaker 10: be an issue, and there are things that employers can do.

1229
00:56:55,653 --> 00:56:57,853
Speaker 4: Yeah, Gareth, really good to get you on and get

1230
00:56:57,893 --> 00:57:00,253
Speaker 4: your expertise. Thanks very much for having a chat with us,

1231
00:57:01,453 --> 00:57:03,733
Speaker 4: My pleasure, and we'll catch you again on Wednesday afternoon.

1232
00:57:03,813 --> 00:57:06,493
Speaker 2: Have you been drinking today or been on anything in

1233
00:57:06,533 --> 00:57:08,893
Speaker 2: the last forty eight hours or is this to random

1234
00:57:08,933 --> 00:57:10,373
Speaker 2: to do this vivil test right now?

1235
00:57:10,493 --> 00:57:12,573
Speaker 3: Gareth, Well, I'm possibly.

1236
00:57:13,173 --> 00:57:16,653
Speaker 10: I couldn't possibly disclose that to myself because then I'd.

1237
00:57:16,453 --> 00:57:16,733
Speaker 3: Have to.

1238
00:57:18,773 --> 00:57:19,093
Speaker 5: Reaction.

1239
00:57:19,373 --> 00:57:21,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, smart, you've been nearable.

1240
00:57:21,573 --> 00:57:24,933
Speaker 3: Self employed random drug testing is it? It's a whole

1241
00:57:25,573 --> 00:57:25,933
Speaker 3: other thing.

1242
00:57:28,493 --> 00:57:30,453
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you very much, And just a reminder, Gareth,

1243
00:57:30,493 --> 00:57:33,133
Speaker 4: we'll be back with us on Wednesday afternoon at three

1244
00:57:33,133 --> 00:57:35,813
Speaker 4: point thirty taking all your calls and questions on anything

1245
00:57:35,853 --> 00:57:38,293
Speaker 4: to do with employment. That was a great discussion.

1246
00:57:38,413 --> 00:57:39,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good time.

1247
00:57:39,293 --> 00:57:42,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had a lot of feedback, shocking, shocking stuff.

1248
00:57:42,293 --> 00:57:42,973
Speaker 4: Thank you very much.

1249
00:57:43,013 --> 00:57:45,693
Speaker 3: And if you could just take this little poddle tyler

1250
00:57:45,733 --> 00:57:46,653
Speaker 3: and take that into the other room.

1251
00:57:46,653 --> 00:57:49,813
Speaker 4: And I'm going to give Gareth another call back. All right?

1252
00:57:49,893 --> 00:57:52,813
Speaker 4: Coming up after the headlines, let's have a chat about

1253
00:57:52,853 --> 00:57:55,173
Speaker 4: self driving cars. They are coming to New Zealand. Test

1254
00:57:55,253 --> 00:57:58,493
Speaker 4: laers outlined the introduction of their flagship tear of their

1255
00:57:58,533 --> 00:58:02,373
Speaker 4: semi autonomous driving software. This is exciting for some, terrifying

1256
00:58:02,453 --> 00:58:02,813
Speaker 4: for others.

1257
00:58:03,093 --> 00:58:06,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so when this happens, this isn't there yet,

1258
00:58:06,253 --> 00:58:09,973
Speaker 2: But then driverless taxis you have absolutely no one in

1259
00:58:10,053 --> 00:58:12,773
Speaker 2: the car but the passenger and absolutely, you know, sometimes

1260
00:58:12,813 --> 00:58:14,173
Speaker 2: absolutely no one in the car when it's going to

1261
00:58:14,213 --> 00:58:16,253
Speaker 2: pick up the passenger, as they have in a number

1262
00:58:16,253 --> 00:58:17,613
Speaker 2: of states in the United States.

1263
00:58:18,733 --> 00:58:20,693
Speaker 3: That will be coming to New Zealand, won't it very soon?

1264
00:58:20,773 --> 00:58:21,613
Speaker 3: So how do you feel about that?

1265
00:58:21,733 --> 00:58:23,773
Speaker 2: Have you been in one of these driver's cars over

1266
00:58:23,973 --> 00:58:26,213
Speaker 2: in California is the most famous place that they have

1267
00:58:26,293 --> 00:58:27,973
Speaker 2: in And how do you feel about it?

1268
00:58:28,173 --> 00:58:29,773
Speaker 4: Oh, e one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1269
00:58:29,933 --> 00:58:32,813
Speaker 4: number to call? It is twenty nine to three.

1270
00:58:35,293 --> 00:58:38,573
Speaker 14: You talk said the headlines with Blue bubble taxis it's

1271
00:58:38,653 --> 00:58:42,733
Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble confirmation. Overseas and vestas

1272
00:58:42,813 --> 00:58:44,933
Speaker 14: will be allowed to buy a home in New Zealand

1273
00:58:45,253 --> 00:58:48,213
Speaker 14: if they invest a minimum of five million dollars into

1274
00:58:48,293 --> 00:58:51,013
Speaker 14: the country. The coalition has agreed to people with a

1275
00:58:51,093 --> 00:58:54,053
Speaker 14: Golden visa will be allowed to buy or build one

1276
00:58:54,173 --> 00:58:57,533
Speaker 14: home with a minimum value of five million dollars. That

1277
00:58:57,653 --> 00:59:01,013
Speaker 14: equates to less than one percent of Kiwi homes. An

1278
00:59:01,093 --> 00:59:04,293
Speaker 14: elderly woman with breast cancer who went into surgery for

1279
00:59:04,413 --> 00:59:08,093
Speaker 14: a misectomy died from a brain injury after a breathing

1280
00:59:08,173 --> 00:59:10,213
Speaker 14: chin who was mistakenly put into.

1281
00:59:10,093 --> 00:59:12,013
Speaker 4: Her esophagus consuming.

1282
00:59:12,053 --> 00:59:15,453
Speaker 14: New Zealand says the large fine handed out to Jetstar sends.

1283
00:59:15,253 --> 00:59:16,213
Speaker 4: A strong message.

1284
00:59:16,613 --> 00:59:19,333
Speaker 14: Jetstar has been fined more than two million dollars for

1285
00:59:19,453 --> 00:59:24,253
Speaker 14: misleading nearly one hundred thousand customers about their compensation rights.

1286
00:59:24,813 --> 00:59:27,453
Speaker 14: It's make or break for our smaller airlines as the

1287
00:59:27,533 --> 00:59:30,733
Speaker 14: government pushes to keep them going. It's backing at risk

1288
00:59:30,893 --> 00:59:33,773
Speaker 14: regional air routes with up to thirty million dollars and

1289
00:59:33,893 --> 00:59:38,373
Speaker 14: loans from the Regional Infrastructure Fund. New Zealand's second largest

1290
00:59:38,453 --> 00:59:41,693
Speaker 14: dairy company, Open Country, has finalized a deal to buy

1291
00:59:41,773 --> 00:59:47,013
Speaker 14: another dairy company, Marka, an Australian company, used workers' laptops

1292
00:59:47,053 --> 00:59:49,933
Speaker 14: to record audio of them working from home. Could it

1293
00:59:50,013 --> 00:59:52,533
Speaker 14: happen here? Find out more at Enzi Herald Premium.

1294
00:59:52,933 --> 00:59:56,173
Speaker 4: Now back to Mattz and Tyler. Thank you very much, Susi.

1295
00:59:56,493 --> 00:59:59,053
Speaker 4: Just before we get the self driving cars just announces.

1296
00:59:59,133 --> 01:00:01,893
Speaker 4: Susie mentioned in the headlines there that the government is

1297
01:00:01,973 --> 01:00:04,453
Speaker 4: loosening the foreign buyer band. We've been waiting for this

1298
01:00:04,613 --> 01:00:07,573
Speaker 4: for some time. So the Prime Minister said today that

1299
01:00:07,693 --> 01:00:10,373
Speaker 4: foreign buying with a golden visa would soon be able

1300
01:00:10,413 --> 01:00:13,013
Speaker 4: to buy homes with five million dollars or more without

1301
01:00:13,053 --> 01:00:14,893
Speaker 4: approval from the Overseas Investment Office.

1302
01:00:15,293 --> 01:00:18,453
Speaker 3: That's really high five million dollars or more.

1303
01:00:18,533 --> 01:00:22,253
Speaker 2: How many homes there like that? I mean surely the

1304
01:00:22,333 --> 01:00:26,213
Speaker 2: two and a half million, three million, I mean that's

1305
01:00:26,253 --> 01:00:28,693
Speaker 2: not affecting first home buyers, is it, Which is really

1306
01:00:28,733 --> 01:00:30,333
Speaker 2: what we worry about. If people want to fight out

1307
01:00:30,373 --> 01:00:33,333
Speaker 2: around over three million dollars then then go through it.

1308
01:00:33,853 --> 01:00:34,893
Speaker 3: That seems crazy.

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01:00:34,973 --> 01:00:37,133
Speaker 2: It's a high three shold And maybe in Auckland that

1310
01:00:37,293 --> 01:00:41,293
Speaker 2: makes sense, or maybe in Queenstown. But don't we want

1311
01:00:41,333 --> 01:00:44,373
Speaker 2: people to move to Dunedin and the cargol don't want

1312
01:00:44,373 --> 01:00:47,733
Speaker 2: people to be buying houses in places. Shouldn't that be?

1313
01:00:48,213 --> 01:00:51,013
Speaker 2: Is it just a blanket five million nationwide? Because look

1314
01:00:51,093 --> 01:00:53,573
Speaker 2: I'm from Dunedin. Five million dollars get your a lot

1315
01:00:53,573 --> 01:00:54,893
Speaker 2: of house in duned and will get you down to

1316
01:00:54,933 --> 01:00:58,333
Speaker 2: Abby to get your stables, horses, will get your full

1317
01:00:58,853 --> 01:01:01,333
Speaker 2: You'll be able to get full service.

1318
01:01:01,333 --> 01:01:02,133
Speaker 3: You're able to get full.

1319
01:01:02,013 --> 01:01:03,093
Speaker 4: Made a suburb.

1320
01:01:03,253 --> 01:01:05,013
Speaker 2: You'd be able to run a full down to Abby

1321
01:01:05,053 --> 01:01:06,453
Speaker 2: for five million dollars exactly.

1322
01:01:06,573 --> 01:01:08,733
Speaker 4: Well, one roof is actually running numbers on how many

1323
01:01:08,773 --> 01:01:10,893
Speaker 4: properties are worth over five million dollars in some of

1324
01:01:10,933 --> 01:01:14,013
Speaker 4: the regions, as you can imagine Auckland a fear whack

1325
01:01:14,053 --> 01:01:16,973
Speaker 4: three hundred three thousand, three hundred and twenty in Auckland City.

1326
01:01:17,133 --> 01:01:19,253
Speaker 4: But then I go down the list Canterbury christ Judge

1327
01:01:19,253 --> 01:01:21,333
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty three, Welling hundred and fifty three

1328
01:01:21,373 --> 01:01:25,013
Speaker 4: in christ Church. Yeah, so okay, come on right where

1329
01:01:25,093 --> 01:01:28,053
Speaker 4: use that's a lifestyle block? There wasn't a Wellington. How

1330
01:01:28,093 --> 01:01:30,933
Speaker 4: many homes and Wellington, Wellington's a big place. How many

1331
01:01:31,013 --> 01:01:34,133
Speaker 4: drecon over the five million mark five hundred na way

1332
01:01:34,213 --> 01:01:37,973
Speaker 4: less way less? Okay one a little bit more than that,

1333
01:01:38,213 --> 01:01:41,893
Speaker 4: thirty nine, just thirty nine and Wellington according to one roof.

1334
01:01:42,093 --> 01:01:45,253
Speaker 3: So we don't want these people buying homes in our capital.

1335
01:01:46,013 --> 01:01:49,053
Speaker 4: There's only one, yeah, exactly, there's only thirty nine of

1336
01:01:49,133 --> 01:01:51,733
Speaker 4: them in the whole of them thirty nine yeah, yeah, yeah.

1337
01:01:51,893 --> 01:01:53,453
Speaker 3: I went for my stupid guests one.

1338
01:01:54,133 --> 01:01:56,573
Speaker 4: And I was quickly trying to find Dunedin and I

1339
01:01:56,693 --> 01:01:59,253
Speaker 4: can't actually find a need, and so does Deneeda. They

1340
01:01:59,253 --> 01:02:02,013
Speaker 4: have a five million dollar property, Plust have have one.

1341
01:02:02,813 --> 01:02:04,773
Speaker 2: That just seems like you're trying to do something, but

1342
01:02:04,893 --> 01:02:07,613
Speaker 2: you've just gone half ass. If you decided to do it,

1343
01:02:08,013 --> 01:02:11,813
Speaker 2: go on, I think two and a half million. You know,

1344
01:02:12,493 --> 01:02:16,253
Speaker 2: that seems like you're not shutting people out of the market. Yeah,

1345
01:02:16,853 --> 01:02:19,013
Speaker 2: but if you want people to come in and you

1346
01:02:19,053 --> 01:02:21,613
Speaker 2: want them to put head offices here and start things,

1347
01:02:21,933 --> 01:02:24,613
Speaker 2: you know, and have branches here and stuff, then don't

1348
01:02:24,613 --> 01:02:25,133
Speaker 2: you want them.

1349
01:02:25,093 --> 01:02:26,173
Speaker 3: To be able to buy a house?

1350
01:02:26,293 --> 01:02:28,333
Speaker 2: Not just the CEO, not just the richest person in

1351
01:02:28,373 --> 01:02:29,893
Speaker 2: the company, but a few of the executives on the

1352
01:02:29,933 --> 01:02:30,213
Speaker 2: way down.

1353
01:02:30,253 --> 01:02:32,013
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. If you're coming here to work and

1354
01:02:32,053 --> 01:02:34,533
Speaker 4: you can't buy a house, that's a massive incentive, but

1355
01:02:34,613 --> 01:02:36,013
Speaker 4: there will be plenty more to come on that.

1356
01:02:38,413 --> 01:02:40,093
Speaker 3: This This man I live in Deneedi and they can

1357
01:02:40,133 --> 01:02:42,253
Speaker 3: buy my house for five million. Yeah, I mean, is

1358
01:02:42,293 --> 01:02:43,693
Speaker 3: it going to be a rising tide of people that

1359
01:02:43,813 --> 01:02:46,173
Speaker 3: just put their house that's worth five hundred and fifty

1360
01:02:46,213 --> 01:02:48,173
Speaker 3: thousand on the market for five millions so someone can

1361
01:02:48,213 --> 01:02:48,453
Speaker 3: buy it.

1362
01:02:48,613 --> 01:02:48,773
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1363
01:02:48,933 --> 01:02:51,413
Speaker 4: Hey, if someone takes the baits good on you would win.

1364
01:02:52,533 --> 01:02:55,093
Speaker 4: But yes, there'll be plenty more on that. Discussion with

1365
01:02:55,213 --> 01:02:58,133
Speaker 4: Heather at four o'clock as well. But let's get back

1366
01:02:58,213 --> 01:03:01,293
Speaker 4: into self driving cars and there's been so many ticks

1367
01:03:01,293 --> 01:03:04,253
Speaker 4: about this. So Tesla has indicated New Zealand is in

1368
01:03:04,373 --> 01:03:07,693
Speaker 4: line for the flagship tear of it's semi autonomous driving software.

1369
01:03:07,733 --> 01:03:09,973
Speaker 4: That is software that's been in use in the US

1370
01:03:10,053 --> 01:03:12,613
Speaker 4: for about five years now. So while the company hasn't

1371
01:03:12,653 --> 01:03:16,333
Speaker 4: confirmed an exact date, they said it is coming very

1372
01:03:16,453 --> 01:03:18,493
Speaker 4: soon and New Zealand will be one of the first

1373
01:03:18,533 --> 01:03:21,173
Speaker 4: markets in the world to receive the right hand drive version.

1374
01:03:21,693 --> 01:03:23,253
Speaker 4: Very exciting for a lot of people out there.

1375
01:03:23,853 --> 01:03:25,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, are you excited about this?

1376
01:03:25,893 --> 01:03:26,253
Speaker 13: I am?

1377
01:03:26,413 --> 01:03:28,133
Speaker 3: Yeah? Would you run that? Would you would you come

1378
01:03:28,173 --> 01:03:30,853
Speaker 3: to work with your hands off the wheel?

1379
01:03:30,853 --> 01:03:33,933
Speaker 4: One hundred percent absolutely take advantage of it. Yeah, I

1380
01:03:34,053 --> 01:03:37,413
Speaker 4: mean that would kind of be once it starts to

1381
01:03:37,413 --> 01:03:39,573
Speaker 4: get rolled out. Why would you bother with public transport?

1382
01:03:39,653 --> 01:03:41,853
Speaker 4: You know that if you've got these self driving cars

1383
01:03:41,933 --> 01:03:44,373
Speaker 4: where and at this stage, the software means that you've

1384
01:03:44,413 --> 01:03:45,893
Speaker 4: got to be in the front seats. You don't have

1385
01:03:45,933 --> 01:03:48,093
Speaker 4: to have your hands on the wheel, but it's semi

1386
01:03:48,293 --> 01:03:51,413
Speaker 4: autonomous that the human has to be somewhat in control.

1387
01:03:51,813 --> 01:03:55,293
Speaker 4: But honesty call, if you had this technology, I'd jump

1388
01:03:55,333 --> 01:03:56,693
Speaker 4: in the vaccinat Yeah.

1389
01:03:56,933 --> 01:03:59,053
Speaker 2: And so if that that that technology is coming to

1390
01:03:59,093 --> 01:04:01,093
Speaker 2: New Zealand, there's there have to be some law changes

1391
01:04:01,453 --> 01:04:04,893
Speaker 2: before we could get the robotaxis and the and the

1392
01:04:04,973 --> 01:04:07,933
Speaker 2: weimoa and stuff. But they've had them in Arizona since

1393
01:04:07,933 --> 01:04:10,693
Speaker 2: twenty two. Yeah, got them in California, They've got them

1394
01:04:10,693 --> 01:04:17,653
Speaker 2: in Georgia, Florida, Texas, Washington's coming up soon. New York City, Dallas, Miami, Philadelphia, Boston, Nashville,

1395
01:04:17,813 --> 01:04:21,133
Speaker 2: New Orleans, Las Vegas, Orlando, Houston, and San Antonio are

1396
01:04:21,173 --> 01:04:25,453
Speaker 2: all on track to have self driving taxis very soon. Yeah,

1397
01:04:25,893 --> 01:04:28,253
Speaker 2: so this is the first step. So that is coming

1398
01:04:28,293 --> 01:04:29,813
Speaker 2: to New Zealand. I don't know what the time frame

1399
01:04:29,973 --> 01:04:31,413
Speaker 2: is five years potentially.

1400
01:04:31,573 --> 01:04:32,733
Speaker 4: Yep, it's on its way.

1401
01:04:32,893 --> 01:04:35,013
Speaker 2: But I mean, can't you see a world where you're

1402
01:04:35,133 --> 01:04:38,093
Speaker 2: driving into work, Tyler's sitting in the back seat doing

1403
01:04:38,213 --> 01:04:41,493
Speaker 2: some work on your laptop. The whole car change is

1404
01:04:41,573 --> 01:04:44,413
Speaker 2: design of the car changes. So you're being chauffeured in

1405
01:04:45,093 --> 01:04:46,733
Speaker 2: by a self driving car. There's no one on the

1406
01:04:46,773 --> 01:04:48,853
Speaker 2: front seat. You know, you might want to put a

1407
01:04:48,933 --> 01:04:50,893
Speaker 2: blow up doll in there, like the auto pilot in

1408
01:04:50,933 --> 01:04:53,253
Speaker 2: the movie Airplane or something just to make you feel comfortable.

1409
01:04:53,613 --> 01:04:55,133
Speaker 2: But there's something in that that would mean that you

1410
01:04:55,173 --> 01:04:58,653
Speaker 2: could work a lot. You know, where your house was

1411
01:04:58,693 --> 01:05:00,333
Speaker 2: could be a lot further out because you could do

1412
01:05:00,373 --> 01:05:02,173
Speaker 2: your first half hour work on the way to work,

1413
01:05:02,213 --> 01:05:03,413
Speaker 2: just sitting in the back seat on a laptop.

1414
01:05:03,493 --> 01:05:03,613
Speaker 11: Right.

1415
01:05:03,693 --> 01:05:06,293
Speaker 4: Great for productivity, absolutely, But what do you say, Oh, eight,

1416
01:05:06,293 --> 01:05:08,293
Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call?

1417
01:05:08,693 --> 01:05:11,253
Speaker 4: Are you fizzing on the idea of self driving cars

1418
01:05:11,333 --> 01:05:13,973
Speaker 4: coming to the New Zealand market or does it terrify you?

1419
01:05:14,293 --> 01:05:15,853
Speaker 4: Oh what one hundred and eighty ten eighty is number

1420
01:05:15,893 --> 01:05:17,893
Speaker 4: to call? It is twenty to three.

1421
01:05:19,293 --> 01:05:21,893
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty

1422
01:05:21,973 --> 01:05:26,053
Speaker 1: ten eighty Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news Talk sa'd.

1423
01:05:25,893 --> 01:05:29,453
Speaker 4: Be seventeen to three. So Tesla has announced that semi

1424
01:05:29,573 --> 01:05:32,613
Speaker 4: autonomous driving software will come into the New Zealand market

1425
01:05:32,853 --> 01:05:35,053
Speaker 4: very very soon. How do you feel about that? He

1426
01:05:35,133 --> 01:05:37,053
Speaker 4: fizzed up about that. If you're a Tesla owner, will

1427
01:05:37,093 --> 01:05:39,053
Speaker 4: you buy the software upgrade? I wait, one hundred eighty

1428
01:05:39,093 --> 01:05:40,053
Speaker 4: ten eighty is number.

1429
01:05:39,813 --> 01:05:42,093
Speaker 2: To call, Jamie. You've been in one of these way

1430
01:05:42,173 --> 01:05:44,933
Speaker 2: Mo cabs in San Francisco?

1431
01:05:46,333 --> 01:05:46,533
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1432
01:05:47,093 --> 01:05:49,773
Speaker 17: I have. We were in San Francisco and.

1433
01:05:51,373 --> 01:05:52,333
Speaker 8: In June.

1434
01:05:53,773 --> 01:05:56,053
Speaker 3: Yes, right? And how did you go about ordering it?

1435
01:05:56,973 --> 01:06:00,453
Speaker 17: Jamie basically downloaded the apps We wanted to use it

1436
01:06:00,493 --> 01:06:02,733
Speaker 17: because we saw them around town. It was really simple.

1437
01:06:03,133 --> 01:06:05,413
Speaker 17: Similar I'd say to an uber, you know, just to

1438
01:06:05,573 --> 01:06:07,253
Speaker 17: order one and it gives you an estimate of the

1439
01:06:07,333 --> 01:06:10,373
Speaker 17: time and the price in the app.

1440
01:06:11,133 --> 01:06:13,453
Speaker 8: So they just arrive and it's this kind.

1441
01:06:13,333 --> 01:06:16,653
Speaker 17: Of black thing with these senses on the top and

1442
01:06:16,773 --> 01:06:18,933
Speaker 17: senses on the side, and the door just opens and

1443
01:06:18,973 --> 01:06:21,013
Speaker 17: you get in and you connect to it with your app,

1444
01:06:21,093 --> 01:06:21,933
Speaker 17: and off it goes.

1445
01:06:22,373 --> 01:06:24,053
Speaker 2: How did it feel to see a car pull up

1446
01:06:24,093 --> 01:06:25,813
Speaker 2: without a driver and then to climb into it and

1447
01:06:25,973 --> 01:06:26,733
Speaker 2: put your trust in it.

1448
01:06:27,813 --> 01:06:29,133
Speaker 5: Yeah, very very weird.

1449
01:06:29,213 --> 01:06:31,013
Speaker 17: It was more like we did it for fun because

1450
01:06:31,013 --> 01:06:34,613
Speaker 17: we saw them driving around town. I would say the

1451
01:06:34,733 --> 01:06:37,693
Speaker 17: only thing that was really bothersome about it was we

1452
01:06:37,813 --> 01:06:39,933
Speaker 17: were going down to Fisherman's Wharf, which is, you know,

1453
01:06:39,933 --> 01:06:43,773
Speaker 17: a high tourist area, and it couldn't find a safe

1454
01:06:43,813 --> 01:06:46,373
Speaker 17: place to drop us off, so it kept driving around,

1455
01:06:46,573 --> 01:06:49,173
Speaker 17: costing us more money. You know, if it was a person,

1456
01:06:49,293 --> 01:06:51,053
Speaker 17: we'd say, I would just pull over here, right, I

1457
01:06:51,173 --> 01:06:53,493
Speaker 17: see you just pull over here and let us out.

1458
01:06:54,093 --> 01:06:54,493
Speaker 7: We walk.

1459
01:06:54,693 --> 01:06:57,653
Speaker 2: There's no gray area with the rules. Apart from that, though,

1460
01:06:57,733 --> 01:06:59,813
Speaker 2: how did it drive? Did you feel safe?

1461
01:06:59,893 --> 01:07:00,093
Speaker 6: Did it?

1462
01:07:00,333 --> 01:07:01,573
Speaker 3: Did it do anything interesting?

1463
01:07:03,053 --> 01:07:08,533
Speaker 17: Nothing interesting? Safe, same speed you know in the hat,

1464
01:07:09,013 --> 01:07:09,973
Speaker 17: all the safe things.

1465
01:07:10,053 --> 01:07:11,013
Speaker 8: It was just fine.

1466
01:07:11,893 --> 01:07:13,413
Speaker 17: It was just that, you know, when it's not a

1467
01:07:13,493 --> 01:07:16,133
Speaker 17: person and then you can't kind of say, oh yeah,

1468
01:07:16,213 --> 01:07:18,373
Speaker 17: just drop us here, or actually can we stop and

1469
01:07:18,413 --> 01:07:20,293
Speaker 17: get something to eat there? It was you know, there's

1470
01:07:20,333 --> 01:07:24,373
Speaker 17: none of that kind of interpersonal changes.

1471
01:07:25,013 --> 01:07:27,333
Speaker 2: Yes, so if you you know, you said you kind

1472
01:07:27,333 --> 01:07:28,693
Speaker 2: of did it as a novelty because you saw them

1473
01:07:28,773 --> 01:07:31,253
Speaker 2: driving around. If they were to come to New Zealand,

1474
01:07:31,453 --> 01:07:33,693
Speaker 2: and it seems likely they're all down the track. Can

1475
01:07:33,733 --> 01:07:36,413
Speaker 2: you imagine a future where you would that be you

1476
01:07:36,573 --> 01:07:36,813
Speaker 2: go to.

1477
01:07:38,133 --> 01:07:41,453
Speaker 17: I'd prefer an uber, I'd prefer the personal charts, the

1478
01:07:41,533 --> 01:07:45,213
Speaker 17: communication there, you know, stop here, go there, or you know,

1479
01:07:45,373 --> 01:07:47,133
Speaker 17: just that little bit of change that you can have.

1480
01:07:47,733 --> 01:07:50,093
Speaker 17: It feels, you know, I wouldn't say I felt unsafe,

1481
01:07:50,133 --> 01:07:52,333
Speaker 17: but I didn't. I was thinking about, oh, you know,

1482
01:07:52,733 --> 01:07:56,933
Speaker 17: how would I get out if this malfunctioned? Or you know,

1483
01:07:57,093 --> 01:07:59,053
Speaker 17: just those kind of things that were I was thinking

1484
01:07:59,093 --> 01:08:00,173
Speaker 17: about while I was in the car.

1485
01:08:00,813 --> 01:08:03,933
Speaker 2: So with the driver's seat, there's there's a there's a

1486
01:08:03,973 --> 01:08:05,933
Speaker 2: natural seat there, so if you wanted to, you could

1487
01:08:06,253 --> 01:08:09,213
Speaker 2: sit in that seat, but will allow you to sit

1488
01:08:09,293 --> 01:08:10,573
Speaker 2: in that seat? Or you've got to sit in the

1489
01:08:10,653 --> 01:08:12,173
Speaker 2: back or where are you allowed to sit?

1490
01:08:13,133 --> 01:08:15,013
Speaker 17: We just we just went straight into the back. But

1491
01:08:15,133 --> 01:08:17,612
Speaker 17: they do have a driver's seat because sometimes they have

1492
01:08:17,733 --> 01:08:21,173
Speaker 17: people in there doing like audits, right, you know that

1493
01:08:21,653 --> 01:08:24,293
Speaker 17: making sure it's going okay or checking on with the people.

1494
01:08:24,492 --> 01:08:26,093
Speaker 3: So we just does it does it.

1495
01:08:26,173 --> 01:08:28,412
Speaker 2: Does have all the pedals and all the normal stuff

1496
01:08:28,412 --> 01:08:31,052
Speaker 2: that a car would would have in that driver's situation.

1497
01:08:31,492 --> 01:08:33,972
Speaker 3: Well interesting, how cool?

1498
01:08:34,093 --> 01:08:36,452
Speaker 8: And see also go ahead.

1499
01:08:36,732 --> 01:08:38,213
Speaker 4: I was just going to say so at no point

1500
01:08:38,333 --> 01:08:41,052
Speaker 4: can you speak to the car itself with the AI

1501
01:08:41,213 --> 01:08:43,213
Speaker 4: and say, hey, do you just mind if we change

1502
01:08:43,253 --> 01:08:44,892
Speaker 4: the route because I've got to pick up a pack

1503
01:08:44,933 --> 01:08:46,293
Speaker 4: of SIGs or a bottle of wine or something.

1504
01:08:47,612 --> 01:08:48,492
Speaker 17: No, you can't do that.

1505
01:08:49,772 --> 01:08:52,612
Speaker 2: Yes, If anything, that your slight complaint with it, Jamie,

1506
01:08:52,732 --> 01:08:54,893
Speaker 2: is that it was too safe. It was like, this

1507
01:08:55,053 --> 01:08:56,973
Speaker 2: isn't I can't really legally stop here, so I have

1508
01:08:57,013 --> 01:08:57,692
Speaker 2: to find a place.

1509
01:08:58,692 --> 01:09:01,812
Speaker 17: Yes, basically it wasn't. It wasn't able to just let

1510
01:09:01,933 --> 01:09:04,293
Speaker 17: us off there, So it just went around and around

1511
01:09:04,452 --> 01:09:07,372
Speaker 17: looking for a safe place to kind of let us out.

1512
01:09:08,333 --> 01:09:08,812
Speaker 3: It's interesting.

1513
01:09:10,452 --> 01:09:14,732
Speaker 17: We did hire a vehicle that, actually we didn't realize

1514
01:09:14,772 --> 01:09:18,093
Speaker 17: it was also self driving, and that happens as well

1515
01:09:18,173 --> 01:09:20,572
Speaker 17: while we were in San Francisco, kind of like what

1516
01:09:20,652 --> 01:09:24,333
Speaker 17: you're talking about with the Teslas. And that was another

1517
01:09:24,452 --> 01:09:28,372
Speaker 17: interesting experience. I'm driving a vehicle that can go into

1518
01:09:28,452 --> 01:09:29,293
Speaker 17: self drive mode.

1519
01:09:29,572 --> 01:09:31,452
Speaker 3: Did you put it into South mode? Did you put

1520
01:09:31,492 --> 01:09:32,052
Speaker 3: it in that mode?

1521
01:09:32,893 --> 01:09:36,772
Speaker 17: It puts itself in. Actually, so we were driving on

1522
01:09:36,853 --> 01:09:39,892
Speaker 17: the highway and my husband was driving, and the steering

1523
01:09:39,893 --> 01:09:44,172
Speaker 17: wheel kind of vibrated and it said automatic driver enabled.

1524
01:09:45,133 --> 01:09:48,012
Speaker 17: You know, you may remove your hands from the steering

1525
01:09:48,053 --> 01:09:50,333
Speaker 17: wheel and he was like, what the hell, and so

1526
01:09:50,612 --> 01:09:53,852
Speaker 17: you know, he let go, and you know, we just

1527
01:09:54,013 --> 01:09:56,173
Speaker 17: kind of keeped our hands hovering around there and it

1528
01:09:56,333 --> 01:09:57,092
Speaker 17: just droves.

1529
01:09:57,333 --> 01:09:59,973
Speaker 3: And that was really had you put in a destination

1530
01:10:00,133 --> 01:10:02,812
Speaker 3: at that point? Or is it just yeah? Right, okay?

1531
01:10:02,893 --> 01:10:05,093
Speaker 3: So it guys, we've got a destination. I can take

1532
01:10:05,133 --> 01:10:09,253
Speaker 3: you there, right, yeah, you go.

1533
01:10:11,333 --> 01:10:13,932
Speaker 17: The the thing about that is is that it drives

1534
01:10:14,053 --> 01:10:16,772
Speaker 17: completely to the rules, and it leaves too much space

1535
01:10:16,853 --> 01:10:19,173
Speaker 17: on the highway in between you and the current front

1536
01:10:19,532 --> 01:10:21,933
Speaker 17: and other vehicles keep pulling into that space and then

1537
01:10:22,013 --> 01:10:26,532
Speaker 17: it blast and you're like, oh mate, no you.

1538
01:10:26,572 --> 01:10:29,452
Speaker 3: Know, but it was fine, yeah, cool, thank you for

1539
01:10:29,532 --> 01:10:33,452
Speaker 3: your call. Now, so it's just too nerdy, Yeah, it's

1540
01:10:33,492 --> 01:10:36,692
Speaker 3: too rules. There's no gray area break the rules.

1541
01:10:37,612 --> 01:10:40,013
Speaker 2: If your self driving car kills someone, would you get

1542
01:10:40,093 --> 01:10:42,532
Speaker 2: done for manslaughter or the company that made the car?

1543
01:10:42,933 --> 01:10:45,692
Speaker 2: Or would you need more insurance? Or conversations here? Because

1544
01:10:45,732 --> 01:10:48,732
Speaker 2: this tesla's recently been in court over this, haven't they. Yeah,

1545
01:10:49,093 --> 01:10:51,572
Speaker 2: so I'll give you the details of that coming up.

1546
01:10:51,732 --> 01:10:53,612
Speaker 4: Great quiessh to know, but keen to hear from you. Oh,

1547
01:10:53,652 --> 01:10:56,173
Speaker 4: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Tesler has an ounce

1548
01:10:56,213 --> 01:10:58,972
Speaker 4: self driving cars. Semi self driving cars are coming our way.

1549
01:10:59,293 --> 01:11:00,932
Speaker 4: Are you fizzed up or are you terrified?

1550
01:11:01,093 --> 01:11:03,173
Speaker 3: Will you be allowed to sit your driver's tests in

1551
01:11:03,213 --> 01:11:07,092
Speaker 3: a self driving car? Says this text home. I'm already

1552
01:11:07,213 --> 01:11:09,293
Speaker 3: thinking my kids are soft because where my son sat

1553
01:11:09,372 --> 01:11:10,732
Speaker 3: his in my car with you know.

1554
01:11:11,333 --> 01:11:13,333
Speaker 4: Automatic handbrake, automatic parking.

1555
01:11:13,532 --> 01:11:18,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly the issues that affect you.

1556
01:11:19,293 --> 01:11:21,492
Speaker 1: And a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath

1557
01:11:21,572 --> 01:11:24,532
Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk, z'd.

1558
01:11:24,333 --> 01:11:28,612
Speaker 4: Be very good. Afternoons you said, Tesla is bringing almost

1559
01:11:28,893 --> 01:11:33,772
Speaker 4: self driving cars to New Zealand. It's a system called FSDs,

1560
01:11:33,933 --> 01:11:38,173
Speaker 4: So essentially it's not fully automative. It is that you

1561
01:11:38,253 --> 01:11:40,932
Speaker 4: still need a human and somewhat control of that vehicle.

1562
01:11:41,013 --> 01:11:42,692
Speaker 4: You can have your hands off the wheel, but you

1563
01:11:42,933 --> 01:11:45,852
Speaker 4: have to be responsible for the actions of that vehicle.

1564
01:11:45,933 --> 01:11:47,892
Speaker 2: It's interesting because my car, when I take my hands

1565
01:11:47,893 --> 01:11:51,213
Speaker 2: off the wheel, it's got you know, active lane following

1566
01:11:51,372 --> 01:11:54,173
Speaker 2: and distance and all that kind of stuff, and you know,

1567
01:11:54,933 --> 01:11:57,412
Speaker 2: it gives me very little time before it starts threatening me.

1568
01:11:57,732 --> 01:12:00,253
Speaker 2: He starts turning my stereo down, putting hands on the wheel.

1569
01:12:00,253 --> 01:12:02,253
Speaker 2: If I'm not ten and two and holding it, and

1570
01:12:02,333 --> 01:12:04,253
Speaker 2: all that's doing is just keeping it in the lane.

1571
01:12:04,893 --> 01:12:06,732
Speaker 2: So if I'm trying to, you know, steer with my

1572
01:12:06,812 --> 01:12:08,612
Speaker 2: hand at the bottom, it won't let me. So we're

1573
01:12:08,652 --> 01:12:12,372
Speaker 2: talking before about the liability of you know, if someone

1574
01:12:12,452 --> 01:12:15,493
Speaker 2: driving car killed someone, would you get done for manslaughter

1575
01:12:16,173 --> 01:12:17,452
Speaker 2: or the company that made it.

1576
01:12:18,093 --> 01:12:21,372
Speaker 3: This is just a case that's happening right at the moment.

1577
01:12:21,532 --> 01:12:23,692
Speaker 2: In the States, a Miami jury awarded two hundred and

1578
01:12:23,692 --> 01:12:27,692
Speaker 2: forty three million against Tesla for an accident in twenty nineteen.

1579
01:12:27,772 --> 01:12:31,132
Speaker 2: A Tesla on autopilot struck a couple in Key Largo, Florida,

1580
01:12:31,213 --> 01:12:35,772
Speaker 2: killing a twenty two year old, and the initially Tesla

1581
01:12:35,853 --> 01:12:38,133
Speaker 2: said that they couldn't find the information on it, the

1582
01:12:38,213 --> 01:12:40,772
Speaker 2: data on it, but a hacker got in and found

1583
01:12:40,812 --> 01:12:44,093
Speaker 2: the data. So you know, the jurors found Tesla thirty

1584
01:12:44,133 --> 01:12:46,812
Speaker 2: three percent liabel for the crash. Whereas Tesla said, in

1585
01:12:46,933 --> 01:12:51,172
Speaker 2: that particular autopilot mode, you were supposed to be watching

1586
01:12:51,253 --> 01:12:52,652
Speaker 2: and behind the wheel, that was sort of a more

1587
01:12:52,732 --> 01:12:55,692
Speaker 2: supportive thing. Yeah, but I mean that's technology twenty nineteen.

1588
01:12:55,732 --> 01:12:59,772
Speaker 2: That's now six year old technology, which is it's gone

1589
01:12:59,812 --> 01:13:01,932
Speaker 2: through the roof there. You know, you think about six

1590
01:13:02,093 --> 01:13:04,333
Speaker 2: years of advancements in this kind of technology.

1591
01:13:04,492 --> 01:13:06,892
Speaker 4: But I think that's how they're getting around the legislation

1592
01:13:06,973 --> 01:13:09,372
Speaker 4: we've got here in New Zealand that full self driving

1593
01:13:09,652 --> 01:13:11,973
Speaker 4: supervised is the key element there when it comes to

1594
01:13:12,013 --> 01:13:14,213
Speaker 4: New Zealand very soon. But can you hear your views,

1595
01:13:14,213 --> 01:13:16,412
Speaker 4: oh one hundred and eighteen eighty eleanor you've.

1596
01:13:16,293 --> 01:13:19,213
Speaker 2: Been all over San Francisco in one of these self

1597
01:13:19,293 --> 01:13:21,412
Speaker 2: driving taxis no one in there at all?

1598
01:13:22,253 --> 01:13:26,053
Speaker 18: Yes, we've done. We have a family who live up there,

1599
01:13:26,372 --> 01:13:29,133
Speaker 18: Our daughter and her family live there, so we've seen

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01:13:29,173 --> 01:13:31,932
Speaker 18: them from when they were tracking the roads first of all,

1601
01:13:32,572 --> 01:13:36,133
Speaker 18: to driving in them many of many times. In fact,

1602
01:13:36,173 --> 01:13:39,053
Speaker 18: we've been up there three times this year so and

1603
01:13:39,173 --> 01:13:44,173
Speaker 18: we always use way though because the traffic is absolutely appalling.

1604
01:13:45,452 --> 01:13:49,652
Speaker 18: They drive like crazies there, especially on the way to

1605
01:13:49,692 --> 01:13:53,013
Speaker 18: the airport and bank. And you are far safer in

1606
01:13:53,093 --> 01:13:54,492
Speaker 18: a way more than anything else.

1607
01:13:55,412 --> 01:13:57,133
Speaker 2: Right, So you would have seen it in a number

1608
01:13:57,133 --> 01:14:01,692
Speaker 2: of circumstances dealing with complicated things like cyclists and you know,

1609
01:14:02,093 --> 01:14:03,092
Speaker 2: all manner of things.

1610
01:14:03,253 --> 01:14:05,053
Speaker 3: And has it impressed you with how it's dealt with

1611
01:14:05,133 --> 01:14:05,532
Speaker 3: that kind.

1612
01:14:05,412 --> 01:14:08,933
Speaker 18: Of stuff, Well, yes, it's certainly safe to be in

1613
01:14:09,013 --> 01:14:10,133
Speaker 18: a weymo than it is to.

1614
01:14:10,213 --> 01:14:13,692
Speaker 1: Be on the road to New Zealand, right, okay, and

1615
01:14:13,812 --> 01:14:13,973
Speaker 1: have you.

1616
01:14:15,732 --> 01:14:18,293
Speaker 18: They shallnot break the law over the way. They had

1617
01:14:18,372 --> 01:14:23,692
Speaker 18: to drive to the speed limit. And the roads are

1618
01:14:23,732 --> 01:14:28,772
Speaker 18: particularly dangerous there because so many of the adjunctions actually

1619
01:14:28,853 --> 01:14:32,572
Speaker 18: in the city are on such a hill that their

1620
01:14:32,732 --> 01:14:36,812
Speaker 18: level where the grid roads are crossing over that when

1621
01:14:36,893 --> 01:14:40,452
Speaker 18: you are actually vouncing into their junction, you cannot see

1622
01:14:40,893 --> 01:14:43,973
Speaker 18: over because it's so below on it. You're going to

1623
01:14:44,053 --> 01:14:46,412
Speaker 18: go down the street hill. Now Weemo can see those

1624
01:14:46,492 --> 01:14:50,532
Speaker 18: because they've got their scanners on the roof, and so

1625
01:14:50,612 --> 01:14:53,852
Speaker 18: they've got the advantage of this three sixty degree And

1626
01:14:54,013 --> 01:14:59,932
Speaker 18: remember that pedestrians in San Francisco take precedence over calf

1627
01:15:00,013 --> 01:15:01,572
Speaker 18: on the road. You have to give way to a

1628
01:15:01,612 --> 01:15:04,093
Speaker 18: pedestrian trying to cross, as it should be.

1629
01:15:04,253 --> 01:15:06,173
Speaker 4: So what do you see, Eleanor when you're on the

1630
01:15:06,213 --> 01:15:09,692
Speaker 4: back of this waimo, is there a big map system

1631
01:15:09,893 --> 01:15:12,133
Speaker 4: like a tesla that you're looking at so you can

1632
01:15:12,213 --> 01:15:14,572
Speaker 4: see where you're going or does it say anything to

1633
01:15:14,652 --> 01:15:16,412
Speaker 4: you about what's coming up or anything like that.

1634
01:15:16,772 --> 01:15:19,093
Speaker 18: Yeah, it's just got the screen on the same as

1635
01:15:19,213 --> 01:15:23,452
Speaker 18: you would see. I don't usually go in a tesla myself.

1636
01:15:25,253 --> 01:15:27,772
Speaker 18: Just like an Apple car play or whatever. You can

1637
01:15:27,853 --> 01:15:33,692
Speaker 18: see where you're going, but you're aware that it's sort

1638
01:15:33,732 --> 01:15:41,093
Speaker 18: of quite careful and they see everything. If you were

1639
01:15:41,732 --> 01:15:45,253
Speaker 18: in a left or an uber, you would be they

1640
01:15:45,333 --> 01:15:47,812
Speaker 18: would be looking around and looking in their mirrors, but

1641
01:15:47,933 --> 01:15:50,133
Speaker 18: they might not see a bicycle, they might not see

1642
01:15:50,412 --> 01:15:51,372
Speaker 18: a person in a car.

1643
01:15:52,173 --> 01:15:55,213
Speaker 4: How exciting, I mean, massive over in San Francisco.

1644
01:15:55,452 --> 01:15:58,253
Speaker 2: Interesting that she drives them, not scared to drive them,

1645
01:15:58,293 --> 01:16:01,253
Speaker 2: but drives in them because she thinks they're safer. So

1646
01:16:01,372 --> 01:16:03,212
Speaker 2: that's a huge, huge endorsement.

1647
01:16:03,293 --> 01:16:05,293
Speaker 4: We're going to carry this on after three o'clock. Love

1648
01:16:05,333 --> 01:16:08,053
Speaker 4: to hear your thoughts about self driving technology. It is

1649
01:16:08,333 --> 01:16:10,692
Speaker 4: I mean to New Zealand. Are you terrify or are

1650
01:16:10,772 --> 01:16:11,572
Speaker 4: you fizzed up by it?

1651
01:16:11,572 --> 01:16:11,692
Speaker 5: Oh?

1652
01:16:11,692 --> 01:16:13,092
Speaker 4: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1653
01:16:15,412 --> 01:16:19,732
Speaker 1: Your new homes are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

1654
01:16:19,973 --> 01:16:23,053
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

1655
01:16:23,173 --> 01:16:26,932
Speaker 4: Sebby, Welcome back into the program. It is seeven pass

1656
01:16:27,213 --> 01:16:29,812
Speaker 4: three and having a great discussion about self driving cars.

1657
01:16:29,973 --> 01:16:32,692
Speaker 2: So I've learned something today from earlier on I was

1658
01:16:32,692 --> 01:16:34,932
Speaker 2: talking about when I was pulled over by the police

1659
01:16:34,973 --> 01:16:38,372
Speaker 2: for going through an orange light. Yep, very pedantic, but

1660
01:16:38,772 --> 01:16:40,772
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a huge fan of New Zealand's finals,

1661
01:16:40,812 --> 01:16:43,572
Speaker 2: so I was happy to pull over. But I found

1662
01:16:43,612 --> 01:16:46,532
Speaker 2: out just by putting it out to the police office

1663
01:16:46,532 --> 01:16:47,612
Speaker 2: and stuff, that they prefer you.

1664
01:16:47,692 --> 01:16:48,293
Speaker 3: To stay in the car.

1665
01:16:48,412 --> 01:16:49,173
Speaker 4: Who what a thought.

1666
01:16:49,333 --> 01:16:51,053
Speaker 2: So my whole life, I've been getting out of the

1667
01:16:51,093 --> 01:16:52,852
Speaker 2: car that's what I was told to do, and standing

1668
01:16:52,893 --> 01:16:55,293
Speaker 2: by the car so they can see my hands and everything.

1669
01:16:55,333 --> 01:16:56,532
Speaker 2: And I just thought it was the polite thing to

1670
01:16:56,612 --> 01:16:58,612
Speaker 2: do that if the police officers stand up, I have

1671
01:16:58,652 --> 01:17:00,892
Speaker 2: to stand up, yeap. But no, when I got pulled over,

1672
01:17:00,933 --> 01:17:03,013
Speaker 2: the police officer, get back in your car. Police, and

1673
01:17:03,053 --> 01:17:04,812
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, I was just doing this because,

1674
01:17:04,853 --> 01:17:06,692
Speaker 2: you know, out of respect. Yeah, but get back in

1675
01:17:06,732 --> 01:17:06,973
Speaker 2: your car.

1676
01:17:07,093 --> 01:17:08,652
Speaker 3: I mean, you've pulled me over, for god through an

1677
01:17:08,652 --> 01:17:10,133
Speaker 3: orange light, which was completely legit.

1678
01:17:10,253 --> 01:17:11,732
Speaker 2: But that's fine. I'm still going to you know, I

1679
01:17:11,853 --> 01:17:13,732
Speaker 2: understand you do a tough job. Yes you don't always

1680
01:17:13,732 --> 01:17:17,492
Speaker 2: get it right, yep, but no, so many police officers

1681
01:17:17,532 --> 01:17:19,333
Speaker 2: said we prefer you to stay in the car. In

1682
01:17:19,412 --> 01:17:21,732
Speaker 2: my mind as well, I don't think it's mandated. No,

1683
01:17:21,853 --> 01:17:24,652
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a law, but most police officers

1684
01:17:24,732 --> 01:17:27,452
Speaker 2: prefer that you stay in the car, so that's mine blown.

1685
01:17:28,013 --> 01:17:30,772
Speaker 2: But in the future, police officers will be pulling over

1686
01:17:30,853 --> 01:17:33,053
Speaker 2: cars with no one in them, so that makes it

1687
01:17:33,173 --> 01:17:33,532
Speaker 2: very easy.

1688
01:17:33,612 --> 01:17:35,173
Speaker 3: And that's the topic. There's no one to get out

1689
01:17:35,253 --> 01:17:35,892
Speaker 3: or stay in the car.

1690
01:17:36,093 --> 01:17:38,652
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's spot on. And the reason we're talking about

1691
01:17:38,692 --> 01:17:42,132
Speaker 4: this is because Tesla says that their new full self driving,

1692
01:17:42,333 --> 01:17:45,732
Speaker 4: supervised and braket software is coming to this market very

1693
01:17:45,853 --> 01:17:47,333
Speaker 4: very soon. It's going to be the first market in

1694
01:17:47,372 --> 01:17:49,933
Speaker 4: the world to receive the right hand drive version, so

1695
01:17:50,013 --> 01:17:52,932
Speaker 4: it is going to change very rapidly. Are you fizzed

1696
01:17:53,013 --> 01:17:54,892
Speaker 4: up about it or are you a little bit terrified?

1697
01:17:55,053 --> 01:17:55,253
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1698
01:17:55,253 --> 01:17:57,253
Speaker 2: Well, the next step of courses, this isn't part of

1699
01:17:57,333 --> 01:17:59,293
Speaker 2: what's happening in this round, but the next step of

1700
01:17:59,333 --> 01:18:03,133
Speaker 2: it is the completely self driving taxis that you have

1701
01:18:03,333 --> 01:18:07,812
Speaker 2: in places like San Francisco. Number of states in America, yes,

1702
01:18:08,452 --> 01:18:12,612
Speaker 2: at the moment, so in Arizona, California, Georgia, Florida, Texas,

1703
01:18:13,133 --> 01:18:16,092
Speaker 2: and Washington has got it coming up, New York, Dallas, Miami,

1704
01:18:16,213 --> 01:18:19,253
Speaker 2: so it's all over Philadelphia's all over there. And Brian,

1705
01:18:20,652 --> 01:18:23,852
Speaker 2: thank you. For sending in your video of driving around

1706
01:18:24,333 --> 01:18:27,973
Speaker 2: San Francisco. Jumped into a waymo. It's very interesting. So

1707
01:18:28,093 --> 01:18:30,812
Speaker 2: you just sort of get in the driver's not there.

1708
01:18:31,893 --> 01:18:34,093
Speaker 2: There's a little thing that says start the journey. You

1709
01:18:34,213 --> 01:18:36,812
Speaker 2: press start the Journey, and then you're away, far out,

1710
01:18:37,053 --> 01:18:38,652
Speaker 2: and it just looks so cool.

1711
01:18:38,732 --> 01:18:41,452
Speaker 3: And for people like me that grow up watching Night Rider,

1712
01:18:42,732 --> 01:18:44,213
Speaker 3: the future is here as far as I'm concerned.

1713
01:18:44,253 --> 01:18:45,173
Speaker 4: You got your very own kip.

1714
01:18:45,452 --> 01:18:48,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, your very own cap It's very cool.

1715
01:18:48,213 --> 01:18:48,372
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1716
01:18:48,452 --> 01:18:50,492
Speaker 4: Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1717
01:18:50,532 --> 01:18:52,772
Speaker 4: to call. There's a lot of people very excited on

1718
01:18:52,893 --> 01:18:53,652
Speaker 4: the text machine.

1719
01:18:53,692 --> 01:18:55,412
Speaker 3: No, Josh, I didn't get tasted by the cops.

1720
01:18:55,452 --> 01:18:57,253
Speaker 4: Not this time. Not this time is pretty close. Not

1721
01:18:57,333 --> 01:19:01,572
Speaker 4: this one pretty close. Jim, you are driving a Tesla

1722
01:19:01,612 --> 01:19:02,012
Speaker 4: at the moment.

1723
01:19:03,093 --> 01:19:05,412
Speaker 13: I am, indeed, Guys, I'm also an uber driver, So

1724
01:19:05,652 --> 01:19:11,012
Speaker 13: I got two points of view here. Firstly, the full

1725
01:19:11,452 --> 01:19:14,852
Speaker 13: self drive software has been available on New Zealand for

1726
01:19:15,053 --> 01:19:20,692
Speaker 13: many years, but it's not full self drive capable, so

1727
01:19:20,893 --> 01:19:23,932
Speaker 13: you can buy it as an option to your car.

1728
01:19:24,173 --> 01:19:28,372
Speaker 13: They have another level below that, which is called Enhanced Autopilot,

1729
01:19:29,093 --> 01:19:32,173
Speaker 13: which is basically the same as full self drive, but

1730
01:19:32,333 --> 01:19:39,213
Speaker 13: it only works on the motorways, right, Yeah, there's the

1731
01:19:39,293 --> 01:19:45,413
Speaker 13: capability of navigating to the off rent at your Citizy destination.

1732
01:19:45,893 --> 01:19:46,732
Speaker 3: Right because it's saying here.

1733
01:19:46,812 --> 01:19:50,173
Speaker 2: Because so this new upgrade or the one that's coming

1734
01:19:50,213 --> 01:19:52,412
Speaker 2: to Australia and New Zealand, it's an extra ten thousand dollars,

1735
01:19:52,412 --> 01:19:55,132
Speaker 2: I believe Jim, that's what it's cost.

1736
01:19:55,013 --> 01:19:57,732
Speaker 13: You now to buy it's full self driving right now,

1737
01:19:57,772 --> 01:19:59,732
Speaker 13: it cost you eleven thousand, four hundred dollars.

1738
01:20:00,093 --> 01:20:02,452
Speaker 3: Right, but it's not as enabled as it is in

1739
01:20:02,492 --> 01:20:04,333
Speaker 3: the United States. Is that correct? Here?

1740
01:20:05,772 --> 01:20:10,333
Speaker 13: Well, it does have traffic sign recognition and red light recognition,

1741
01:20:10,452 --> 01:20:14,732
Speaker 13: so it does that for you. It's it's a well,

1742
01:20:15,532 --> 01:20:18,612
Speaker 13: the current version is a long, long, long way off

1743
01:20:19,333 --> 01:20:22,572
Speaker 13: what I'd ever want to use to give to give

1744
01:20:22,612 --> 01:20:25,492
Speaker 13: you an idea on the motorway. The enhanced auto pilot,

1745
01:20:26,293 --> 01:20:30,213
Speaker 13: the car thinks it's smarter than you, so you're driving

1746
01:20:30,333 --> 01:20:34,572
Speaker 13: with no hands. It's navigating in the lane. But the

1747
01:20:34,652 --> 01:20:37,692
Speaker 13: car on your right or your left makes a slight

1748
01:20:38,013 --> 01:20:42,173
Speaker 13: move in the lane towards your lane, then the car

1749
01:20:42,253 --> 01:20:46,852
Speaker 13: will break heavily and it's it's it's quite frightening. It

1750
01:20:46,973 --> 01:20:50,572
Speaker 13: won't change lanes without you giving it a signal, and

1751
01:20:50,692 --> 01:20:53,372
Speaker 13: that's the same on the full self drive software, so

1752
01:20:53,532 --> 01:20:55,492
Speaker 13: you actually have to use it'll ask you to use

1753
01:20:55,532 --> 01:20:58,093
Speaker 13: your indicator to acknowledge that you're going to change lanes,

1754
01:20:58,133 --> 01:21:02,053
Speaker 13: and then it will do that for you. If it's

1755
01:21:02,213 --> 01:21:06,852
Speaker 13: just driving in the lane by itself, it's the same

1756
01:21:06,933 --> 01:21:10,652
Speaker 13: as adaptive cruise control on most other cars. But having

1757
01:21:10,692 --> 01:21:12,972
Speaker 13: said that, it's having driven a lot of other cars,

1758
01:21:13,093 --> 01:21:16,213
Speaker 13: it's way, way, way more accurate. So it stays in

1759
01:21:16,293 --> 01:21:20,892
Speaker 13: the center of the lane. You've got eight ten cameras

1760
01:21:20,933 --> 01:21:23,532
Speaker 13: on the car that are watching all around you, so

1761
01:21:23,612 --> 01:21:26,692
Speaker 13: you can see on your screen what car is beside you.

1762
01:21:27,133 --> 01:21:34,812
Speaker 13: And yeah, so it works good in one respect. And

1763
01:21:34,933 --> 01:21:39,372
Speaker 13: I think the full self driving software that we get

1764
01:21:39,452 --> 01:21:42,293
Speaker 13: here will be very similar to what's in the United States,

1765
01:21:42,412 --> 01:21:48,133
Speaker 13: where it worked very well in central cities and at

1766
01:21:48,213 --> 01:21:51,013
Speaker 13: low speed, but I think at high speed it's got

1767
01:21:51,053 --> 01:21:51,933
Speaker 13: a long, long way to go.

1768
01:21:52,412 --> 01:21:56,572
Speaker 2: So you said before, Jim that you were a uber driver.

1769
01:21:57,253 --> 01:22:02,612
Speaker 2: So we're talking about these robotaxis and the way MoU

1770
01:22:03,013 --> 01:22:06,092
Speaker 2: and you know what's available in San Francisco, for example,

1771
01:22:06,133 --> 01:22:08,253
Speaker 2: in the States, So what do you think about that

1772
01:22:08,612 --> 01:22:10,572
Speaker 2: in the future of Uber Driving.

1773
01:22:12,412 --> 01:22:14,333
Speaker 13: Well, I only do it as a retirement hobby, so

1774
01:22:14,412 --> 01:22:17,772
Speaker 13: it's no big deal for me. But it's I don't

1775
01:22:17,772 --> 01:22:19,293
Speaker 13: think we'll ever see it here. It's certainly not in

1776
01:22:19,412 --> 01:22:25,732
Speaker 13: my lifetime. The expense of setting it up versus an

1777
01:22:26,093 --> 01:22:30,932
Speaker 13: owner operated car, you'd have to have a fleet of them,

1778
01:22:31,692 --> 01:22:34,893
Speaker 13: and I just don't think we've got the population to

1779
01:22:34,973 --> 01:22:38,892
Speaker 13: support it. You might get it in Central Auckland at

1780
01:22:38,973 --> 01:22:43,572
Speaker 13: some stage, but beyond that, right, I think it's a

1781
01:22:43,612 --> 01:22:44,412
Speaker 13: long long way to go.

1782
01:22:44,732 --> 01:22:46,492
Speaker 2: I mean, but there's a potential that the cost of

1783
01:22:46,612 --> 01:22:49,532
Speaker 2: running it comes down quite quickly. I mean, you hear

1784
01:22:49,612 --> 01:22:53,452
Speaker 2: those those stories of how cheaply they're making e e

1785
01:22:53,652 --> 01:22:56,652
Speaker 2: vs in China at the moment. So there is there

1786
01:22:56,732 --> 01:22:59,253
Speaker 2: is a chance that this technology, once it's rolled out,

1787
01:22:59,372 --> 01:23:04,652
Speaker 2: becomes very very cheap. And Uber's business model, as you know,

1788
01:23:04,692 --> 01:23:08,173
Speaker 2: people that scratch the service the surface, they're always looking

1789
01:23:08,412 --> 01:23:09,772
Speaker 2: to get you know, they really want to get rid

1790
01:23:09,812 --> 01:23:12,492
Speaker 2: of the drivers because they see that as their their problem.

1791
01:23:12,612 --> 01:23:16,492
Speaker 13: So it could be Yeah, I agree one hundred percent,

1792
01:23:16,612 --> 01:23:20,253
Speaker 13: but it's economies of scale, and I just don't think

1793
01:23:20,333 --> 01:23:21,453
Speaker 13: that we hit the population.

1794
01:23:21,812 --> 01:23:24,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean where they're set up there in huge cities,

1795
01:23:24,333 --> 01:23:24,812
Speaker 3: aren't they.

1796
01:23:24,933 --> 01:23:25,093
Speaker 1: You know?

1797
01:23:26,772 --> 01:23:28,652
Speaker 13: And I you'll find if you do a bit more

1798
01:23:28,692 --> 01:23:31,933
Speaker 13: research that they are only working in the like you

1799
01:23:31,973 --> 01:23:36,972
Speaker 13: were talking about San Francisco. It's the city center within

1800
01:23:37,652 --> 01:23:39,852
Speaker 13: five miles more radius.

1801
01:23:40,732 --> 01:23:42,852
Speaker 4: But to be fair, Jim, that's you know, I remember

1802
01:23:42,973 --> 01:23:45,852
Speaker 4: those those mufferings about Uber when it first launched and

1803
01:23:45,933 --> 01:23:47,812
Speaker 4: said Uber is only going to be in Auckland and

1804
01:23:47,893 --> 01:23:49,773
Speaker 4: it's never going to take off in the other regions

1805
01:23:50,572 --> 01:23:53,452
Speaker 4: because we've got taxi services, and of course it's rapidly

1806
01:23:53,572 --> 01:23:56,612
Speaker 4: expanded across most of New Zealand now. And the idea

1807
01:23:56,652 --> 01:23:58,852
Speaker 4: that you've got those small towns that can't find enough

1808
01:23:58,893 --> 01:24:01,612
Speaker 4: Uber drivers so they don't have Uber way MO kind

1809
01:24:01,652 --> 01:24:03,412
Speaker 4: of would take care of that, wouldn't. They don't actually

1810
01:24:03,452 --> 01:24:05,612
Speaker 4: need a driver, you just got the one car that

1811
01:24:05,732 --> 01:24:09,293
Speaker 4: has no driver that operates around everybody knows the local WAYMO.

1812
01:24:09,893 --> 01:24:10,452
Speaker 4: I could see that.

1813
01:24:10,532 --> 01:24:14,653
Speaker 13: Happening in theory that there is a possibility.

1814
01:24:16,013 --> 01:24:17,253
Speaker 2: I mean, there's going to have to be a certain

1815
01:24:17,293 --> 01:24:19,492
Speaker 2: amount of support though, I mean they go back to

1816
01:24:19,652 --> 01:24:22,492
Speaker 2: like a you know, a robotic vacuum cleaning. They've got

1817
01:24:22,532 --> 01:24:24,333
Speaker 2: to go back to the charging station, don't they. And

1818
01:24:24,412 --> 01:24:27,012
Speaker 2: then they're going to have to. They can't service themselves.

1819
01:24:27,333 --> 01:24:29,492
Speaker 2: I don't imagine they can check their tire pressure at this,

1820
01:24:29,772 --> 01:24:33,732
Speaker 2: you know, like pump up their tires. So be interesting

1821
01:24:33,812 --> 01:24:36,612
Speaker 2: how much back end service they need. Probably quite a bit,

1822
01:24:36,692 --> 01:24:38,213
Speaker 2: probably a bit more than you'd expect.

1823
01:24:39,492 --> 01:24:41,213
Speaker 13: Well they shouldn't do, because I mean, you're a standing

1824
01:24:41,213 --> 01:24:45,013
Speaker 13: at the ev is. There's nothing to spend on them.

1825
01:24:45,492 --> 01:24:48,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but I mean like someone I imagine to

1826
01:24:48,572 --> 01:24:51,053
Speaker 2: keep a license. You know, you look at look how

1827
01:24:51,293 --> 01:24:54,812
Speaker 2: heavily they regulate lime scooters and stuff. I imagine that

1828
01:24:55,293 --> 01:24:57,053
Speaker 2: for it to be go ahead and say in New

1829
01:24:57,133 --> 01:25:00,572
Speaker 2: Zealand City, I imagine there'd be quite a lot of inspecting.

1830
01:25:00,652 --> 01:25:02,372
Speaker 2: It couldn't just be that you fire it off in

1831
01:25:02,452 --> 01:25:04,732
Speaker 2: the city and it just rolls around by itself, charging

1832
01:25:04,772 --> 01:25:07,173
Speaker 2: itself and just goes and goes. I imagine there'd be

1833
01:25:07,213 --> 01:25:10,933
Speaker 2: some regulations around, and you know, how they're serviced and

1834
01:25:10,973 --> 01:25:12,372
Speaker 2: how they're looked over, and how they checked to make

1835
01:25:12,412 --> 01:25:13,812
Speaker 2: sure that there's nothing wrong with them.

1836
01:25:13,853 --> 01:25:15,732
Speaker 3: But you know, I could be wrong. Hey, thanks to you.

1837
01:25:15,772 --> 01:25:17,892
Speaker 4: Call Jim, Thank you very much.

1838
01:25:17,933 --> 01:25:18,093
Speaker 15: Joe.

1839
01:25:18,093 --> 01:25:20,133
Speaker 4: One hundred eighty ten eighty is number to call A

1840
01:25:20,213 --> 01:25:21,852
Speaker 4: whole bunch of texts coming through on this.

1841
01:25:22,053 --> 01:25:24,612
Speaker 2: Just means people can drive intoxicated without getting a ticket

1842
01:25:24,692 --> 01:25:27,372
Speaker 2: because the car is self driving, or if is involved

1843
01:25:27,372 --> 01:25:30,293
Speaker 2: in an accent, who is responsible the robot? Yeah, well,

1844
01:25:30,293 --> 01:25:33,093
Speaker 2: I mean you can drive an uber intoxicated as long

1845
01:25:33,093 --> 01:25:33,732
Speaker 2: as you're not driving.

1846
01:25:33,853 --> 01:25:35,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can be at the vas. You're no liability

1847
01:25:35,933 --> 01:25:37,333
Speaker 3: for you on that you start to be at the

1848
01:25:37,333 --> 01:25:39,173
Speaker 3: backseat of an uber intoxicated already.

1849
01:25:39,333 --> 01:25:41,932
Speaker 4: Exactly oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is a number

1850
01:25:41,973 --> 01:25:44,253
Speaker 4: to call. Self driving cars are coming to the New

1851
01:25:44,333 --> 01:25:46,572
Speaker 4: Zealand market very soon. How do you feel about that?

1852
01:25:46,652 --> 01:25:48,812
Speaker 4: Does that terrify you? Or are you fizzed up with

1853
01:25:49,053 --> 01:25:49,253
Speaker 4: But the.

1854
01:25:49,253 --> 01:25:51,093
Speaker 3: Text doesn't make a good point. There will have to

1855
01:25:51,133 --> 01:25:52,253
Speaker 3: be legislation at some point.

1856
01:25:52,293 --> 01:25:57,093
Speaker 2: If they agree that self driving cars are you know,

1857
01:25:57,253 --> 01:26:03,173
Speaker 2: safe enough, then they have to then agree that you

1858
01:26:03,293 --> 01:26:07,133
Speaker 2: can sit behind the world of one intoxicated, right, Yeah,

1859
01:26:07,492 --> 01:26:08,652
Speaker 2: because what's it fronts?

1860
01:26:08,692 --> 01:26:10,772
Speaker 4: Because you're not got you you don't have any control

1861
01:26:10,893 --> 01:26:12,053
Speaker 4: really of what that car is doing.

1862
01:26:12,173 --> 01:26:15,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're pissed up. Yeah, you're watching that steering whill

1863
01:26:15,612 --> 01:26:16,852
Speaker 3: turn sober or drunk?

1864
01:26:16,893 --> 01:26:21,892
Speaker 4: Yeah, differences exactly seventeen pass three news talks'd be very

1865
01:26:21,893 --> 01:26:24,852
Speaker 4: good afternoon, June nineteen pass three. So we're talking about

1866
01:26:25,133 --> 01:26:27,932
Speaker 4: self driving cars. The technology or the software is coming

1867
01:26:27,933 --> 01:26:30,572
Speaker 4: to the New Zealand market from Tesla very very soon.

1868
01:26:31,492 --> 01:26:34,052
Speaker 3: How will a self driving car know if you've vomited

1869
01:26:34,093 --> 01:26:35,173
Speaker 3: in the back of it? Says Mark.

1870
01:26:35,213 --> 01:26:36,492
Speaker 4: It's a good point where they have some sort of

1871
01:26:36,532 --> 01:26:37,932
Speaker 4: adjecta seat that they just boomed.

1872
01:26:38,452 --> 01:26:39,213
Speaker 3: Can you imagine that?

1873
01:26:39,492 --> 01:26:41,772
Speaker 2: So your way moo turns up and it can't doesn't

1874
01:26:41,772 --> 01:26:44,772
Speaker 2: have the senses to notice that someone soiled the car,

1875
01:26:44,893 --> 01:26:46,932
Speaker 2: so you climb into someone's filthy mess.

1876
01:26:47,093 --> 01:26:48,612
Speaker 4: I need to find out how they deal with that.

1877
01:26:48,812 --> 01:26:53,532
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I've heard rumors that how do

1878
01:26:53,652 --> 01:26:54,013
Speaker 3: I put this?

1879
01:26:54,532 --> 01:26:58,092
Speaker 2: There's a bit of a challenge going on in cities

1880
01:26:58,133 --> 01:27:02,053
Speaker 2: with self driving cars, similar to joining the you know,

1881
01:27:02,652 --> 01:27:03,372
Speaker 2: the mile high.

1882
01:27:03,253 --> 01:27:06,293
Speaker 4: Club, that it'd be hard to say no to that

1883
01:27:06,372 --> 01:27:07,133
Speaker 4: if there's no driver.

1884
01:27:07,452 --> 01:27:09,452
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you'll be there's a lot of filming

1885
01:27:09,532 --> 01:27:11,692
Speaker 3: going on in those Texas. It's a good point. Yeah, yeah,

1886
01:27:11,772 --> 01:27:14,213
Speaker 3: it's going to come out eventually. Oh no, But wherever

1887
01:27:14,293 --> 01:27:16,293
Speaker 3: there's something like that, people are doing something like that.

1888
01:27:17,333 --> 01:27:19,213
Speaker 4: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1889
01:27:19,253 --> 01:27:19,532
Speaker 4: to call.

1890
01:27:19,812 --> 01:27:21,012
Speaker 3: Kathy welcome to the show.

1891
01:27:21,973 --> 01:27:24,452
Speaker 19: Hi sat Tyler, that was man.

1892
01:27:25,772 --> 01:27:29,213
Speaker 5: Oh sorry, I'm confused, Tyler, it was Tyler.

1893
01:27:29,772 --> 01:27:30,093
Speaker 4: That's me.

1894
01:27:31,812 --> 01:27:32,012
Speaker 6: Yep.

1895
01:27:32,213 --> 01:27:35,013
Speaker 5: I'm never going to hear your voice in the Lune Avenue.

1896
01:27:34,732 --> 01:27:35,972
Speaker 17: Supermark because you're moving.

1897
01:27:36,253 --> 01:27:38,572
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sorry. Sorry, Kathy, I'm out of Mount Wellington.

1898
01:27:38,652 --> 01:27:41,293
Speaker 4: I love it and love you, but yeah, you know

1899
01:27:41,692 --> 01:27:44,893
Speaker 4: you don't know if you love me. Well you know

1900
01:27:45,013 --> 01:27:46,692
Speaker 4: we have just thought out Yeah your oven, so that

1901
01:27:46,853 --> 01:27:47,772
Speaker 4: that shows a bit of love them.

1902
01:27:48,133 --> 01:27:50,973
Speaker 5: Yes, and I'll to the day I die, I'll be

1903
01:27:51,053 --> 01:27:51,692
Speaker 5: grateful to you.

1904
01:27:51,812 --> 01:27:52,732
Speaker 18: You're wonderful people.

1905
01:27:52,772 --> 01:27:55,612
Speaker 4: To go on, now, let's have a chat about self driving.

1906
01:27:55,652 --> 01:28:01,253
Speaker 5: You don't like it, okay, horrific, revolting? What another word

1907
01:28:01,333 --> 01:28:04,892
Speaker 5: can I find for it? Going back in time?

1908
01:28:05,452 --> 01:28:05,492
Speaker 1: No?

1909
01:28:05,772 --> 01:28:06,372
Speaker 10: Not awome.

1910
01:28:08,412 --> 01:28:10,692
Speaker 5: I don't want to climb in a car that's got

1911
01:28:10,812 --> 01:28:11,412
Speaker 5: nobody in it.

1912
01:28:11,812 --> 01:28:13,093
Speaker 10: It's so revaulting.

1913
01:28:13,532 --> 01:28:16,093
Speaker 5: And why should I even pay for When you're a

1914
01:28:16,173 --> 01:28:19,732
Speaker 5: driver's license or do license? You have a license and

1915
01:28:20,053 --> 01:28:24,013
Speaker 5: somebody a car's going around with nobody behind the wheel, well, I.

1916
01:28:24,053 --> 01:28:26,452
Speaker 3: Mean it's pretty pretty handy. Say for people.

1917
01:28:26,492 --> 01:28:29,612
Speaker 2: What about the situation, Kathy, People that are, you know,

1918
01:28:29,772 --> 01:28:32,293
Speaker 2: getting a bit older and they can't pass their driver's

1919
01:28:32,333 --> 01:28:35,812
Speaker 2: license test anymore, and they still want to get around,

1920
01:28:35,853 --> 01:28:38,532
Speaker 2: and it's an opportunity for people to keep their independence, surely, Kathy.

1921
01:28:39,652 --> 01:28:42,692
Speaker 5: What about taxis with real people driving them?

1922
01:28:44,293 --> 01:28:46,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they work well well, I mean yeah, there's

1923
01:28:46,692 --> 01:28:48,293
Speaker 2: that part of it as well. So there's self driving

1924
01:28:48,412 --> 01:28:52,213
Speaker 2: cars that's a private vehicle, and then there's the self

1925
01:28:52,293 --> 01:28:52,972
Speaker 2: driving taxi.

1926
01:28:53,173 --> 01:28:56,572
Speaker 5: So yeah, I just think, what on earth is coming

1927
01:28:56,692 --> 01:28:59,572
Speaker 5: next to this world? As crazy as it is, And

1928
01:28:59,893 --> 01:29:01,892
Speaker 5: this is the last draw.

1929
01:29:02,133 --> 01:29:06,093
Speaker 3: Really, that's okay, that's the last one Kathy's opting out.

1930
01:29:06,253 --> 01:29:09,772
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, brace yourself, Kathy, because it is coming and

1931
01:29:09,893 --> 01:29:12,293
Speaker 4: it's got to change very very quickly. But at a

1932
01:29:12,293 --> 01:29:14,253
Speaker 4: big note to Kathy, she loves the humans and fair

1933
01:29:14,333 --> 01:29:17,053
Speaker 4: enough too. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

1934
01:29:17,173 --> 01:29:19,253
Speaker 4: number to call if you can't get through, keep trying.

1935
01:29:19,293 --> 01:29:21,133
Speaker 4: We've got full boards with some great techs coming through.

1936
01:29:21,293 --> 01:29:23,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's all these people's texting this through and there

1937
01:29:23,692 --> 01:29:25,293
Speaker 2: has been the guys. People in the States have been

1938
01:29:25,333 --> 01:29:27,812
Speaker 2: disabling driverless taxis by putting a road cone in front

1939
01:29:27,812 --> 01:29:30,253
Speaker 2: of them and behind them. They sense an obstruction and

1940
01:29:30,692 --> 01:29:34,333
Speaker 2: won't move steed. Yeah, I mean pranking the old I

1941
01:29:34,372 --> 01:29:35,852
Speaker 2: mean you could if you wanted to do that kind

1942
01:29:35,853 --> 01:29:36,532
Speaker 2: of thing, you can do it.

1943
01:29:37,253 --> 01:29:40,293
Speaker 4: Don't mess with the AII, yeah, because they'll find out.

1944
01:29:40,412 --> 01:29:41,973
Speaker 4: You know, it's coming to a point where you muck

1945
01:29:42,013 --> 01:29:44,773
Speaker 4: around with AI too much and they'll remember, they'll remember.

1946
01:29:44,532 --> 01:29:47,013
Speaker 3: We'll put tases on the back in front. People keep

1947
01:29:47,093 --> 01:29:47,652
Speaker 3: start doing.

1948
01:29:47,532 --> 01:29:50,012
Speaker 4: That exactly twenty three Parts three. What do you reckon

1949
01:29:50,013 --> 01:29:53,692
Speaker 4: about self driving technology? You've fizzed up or terrified.

1950
01:29:53,253 --> 01:29:55,173
Speaker 3: Because it's coming to New Zealand soon.

1951
01:29:59,612 --> 01:30:02,972
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1952
01:30:02,973 --> 01:30:04,972
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on youth Talk ZB.

1953
01:30:05,452 --> 01:30:08,572
Speaker 4: It is twenty five past three. Self driving software is

1954
01:30:08,612 --> 01:30:10,532
Speaker 4: coming to the New Zealand market. Could deceive Tesla.

1955
01:30:10,812 --> 01:30:11,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, and whilst this.

1956
01:30:11,933 --> 01:30:16,732
Speaker 2: Hasn't been any any time scale for this coming to

1957
01:30:16,812 --> 01:30:19,852
Speaker 2: New Zealand. Robotaxis and Waymo taxis where you get picked

1958
01:30:19,893 --> 01:30:22,652
Speaker 2: up by a car with no driver and we were

1959
01:30:22,692 --> 01:30:26,372
Speaker 2: discussing before and if someone soeals it before you, well, hi,

1960
01:30:26,492 --> 01:30:29,452
Speaker 2: guys with Waymo taxis on their app, you can let

1961
01:30:29,532 --> 01:30:32,612
Speaker 2: them know if the car is untidy. Someone turns up

1962
01:30:32,652 --> 01:30:34,372
Speaker 2: real fast and another car is sent to you. The

1963
01:30:34,412 --> 01:30:36,772
Speaker 2: problem with them in La Is. They stick to the

1964
01:30:36,812 --> 01:30:39,972
Speaker 2: speed limit and it's a bit unnerving for with everyone passing.

1965
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Speaker 2: You have a great afternoon, love your show, Thanks for

1966
01:30:42,093 --> 01:30:44,852
Speaker 2: your text. Great text, right, Yeah, I mean that I

1967
01:30:44,893 --> 01:30:46,492
Speaker 2: should have thought about that. If you open the door

1968
01:30:46,612 --> 01:30:49,812
Speaker 2: to your Weaimo or your Robotax and it's been soiled,

1969
01:30:50,013 --> 01:30:53,052
Speaker 2: you're not going to get You're going to go no, no, thanks.

1970
01:30:52,812 --> 01:30:58,052
Speaker 4: Another car, please car. Mike, you've you're a Tesla owner

1971
01:30:58,093 --> 01:30:59,132
Speaker 4: and you're paid for the software.

1972
01:31:00,412 --> 01:31:00,612
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1973
01:31:01,133 --> 01:31:04,893
Speaker 12: Yeah, we just paid up front and we've run the

1974
01:31:04,933 --> 01:31:11,772
Speaker 12: car just seven weeks so far. We actually flew up

1975
01:31:11,893 --> 01:31:15,612
Speaker 12: to Auckland to pick it up and drove it thirty

1976
01:31:15,692 --> 01:31:21,173
Speaker 12: five hundred k's into the South Island and we spend

1977
01:31:21,173 --> 01:31:25,612
Speaker 12: one hundred and eighty dollars doing that on fuel, which

1978
01:31:25,692 --> 01:31:26,173
Speaker 12: is pretty good.

1979
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Speaker 5: YEP.

1980
01:31:27,612 --> 01:31:31,213
Speaker 12: I bought the self driving function because although it doesn't

1981
01:31:31,213 --> 01:31:33,333
Speaker 12: affect me right yet, we do hope that this car

1982
01:31:33,372 --> 01:31:36,772
Speaker 12: will be a last car that we buy. And I'm

1983
01:31:37,133 --> 01:31:40,293
Speaker 12: looking forward to a time when we show up the

1984
01:31:40,333 --> 01:31:42,692
Speaker 12: Ministry of Transport to renew my driver's license and that

1985
01:31:42,772 --> 01:31:45,812
Speaker 12: says no, that's not going to happen. And at that

1986
01:31:45,973 --> 01:31:47,772
Speaker 12: point I'll be able to put my hands off the

1987
01:31:47,812 --> 01:31:49,372
Speaker 12: wheel and say, what's not my fault.

1988
01:31:53,093 --> 01:31:56,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that there as this technology becomes in

1989
01:31:57,253 --> 01:31:59,933
Speaker 2: and you know, if we if it's fully trusted and

1990
01:32:00,333 --> 01:32:03,133
Speaker 2: the laws are changed so it's completely operational on your sid,

1991
01:32:03,213 --> 01:32:05,173
Speaker 2: it's going to open up the world to a whole

1992
01:32:05,213 --> 01:32:08,253
Speaker 2: lot of people that are currently because I mean when

1993
01:32:08,412 --> 01:32:11,213
Speaker 2: when someone gets you know, gets the driver's license taken

1994
01:32:11,213 --> 01:32:13,133
Speaker 2: away from them when they're much older, that really can

1995
01:32:13,253 --> 01:32:16,973
Speaker 2: limit someone's life. So there's could could be an absolutely

1996
01:32:17,572 --> 01:32:18,772
Speaker 2: fantastic result from this.

1997
01:32:20,412 --> 01:32:24,173
Speaker 12: Yeah. Absolutely, Well my mum and dad know, well Mon

1998
01:32:24,293 --> 01:32:27,253
Speaker 12: passed away a year or so ago, but Dad had

1999
01:32:27,293 --> 01:32:30,293
Speaker 12: his license taken off him and basically then you're stuck.

2000
01:32:30,333 --> 01:32:34,013
Speaker 12: You can't go to supermarket, you can't do anything, and

2001
01:32:34,372 --> 01:32:36,452
Speaker 12: you know that it does kind of end your life

2002
01:32:36,532 --> 01:32:40,732
Speaker 12: really in some respects. And now that doesn't have to

2003
01:32:40,812 --> 01:32:45,013
Speaker 12: be the case. So I'm looking forward to that. So

2004
01:32:45,572 --> 01:32:48,572
Speaker 12: it's not been enabled just as of today yet. It

2005
01:32:48,652 --> 01:32:50,852
Speaker 12: was supposed to happen last Friday, and then it said

2006
01:32:50,893 --> 01:32:52,093
Speaker 12: that it was supposed to be by the end of

2007
01:32:52,093 --> 01:32:55,893
Speaker 12: the month, which was yesterday, but that didn't happen. But

2008
01:32:56,053 --> 01:33:00,173
Speaker 12: we drove a car back on the first level, which

2009
01:33:00,253 --> 01:33:04,852
Speaker 12: is autoste and basically he didn't really touch the steering

2010
01:33:04,893 --> 01:33:06,772
Speaker 12: with all that. Often it does nag to say that,

2011
01:33:07,173 --> 01:33:09,932
Speaker 12: you know, you have to do that, keep your hands

2012
01:33:09,973 --> 01:33:13,412
Speaker 12: on the wheel, whatch you do just lightly and then

2013
01:33:13,492 --> 01:33:15,692
Speaker 12: it just you know, steers a round, bends and does stuff.

2014
01:33:16,093 --> 01:33:17,093
Speaker 11: It's really really good.

2015
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Speaker 12: But in each of these when you enable each of

2016
01:33:21,093 --> 01:33:24,213
Speaker 12: these features, it comes up and it says, this is

2017
01:33:24,333 --> 01:33:29,772
Speaker 12: beta software. We're nowhere responsible for what happens when you

2018
01:33:29,933 --> 01:33:34,532
Speaker 12: use the software. Actually that will change. It has done

2019
01:33:34,692 --> 01:33:38,133
Speaker 12: since Tesla introduced their self driving package what they called

2020
01:33:38,173 --> 01:33:41,333
Speaker 12: full self driving from day one. But it's always had

2021
01:33:41,452 --> 01:33:44,772
Speaker 12: that feature. So anyone that has an accident, it's on them,

2022
01:33:46,133 --> 01:33:49,772
Speaker 12: you know. Unfortunate that some judges may be haters of

2023
01:33:50,013 --> 01:33:55,452
Speaker 12: technology and therefore attribute blame. But clearly, when you engage

2024
01:33:55,572 --> 01:33:59,093
Speaker 12: that software, it very clearly comes up and it says,

2025
01:33:59,133 --> 01:34:01,852
Speaker 12: you know, this is only beta software and you're legally

2026
01:34:01,933 --> 01:34:06,333
Speaker 12: responsible for it. Goes through quite a spiel in saying that,

2027
01:34:06,772 --> 01:34:09,852
Speaker 12: and you know something, Yeah, you don't need to be

2028
01:34:09,893 --> 01:34:17,053
Speaker 12: in any notion that it's it's the it's the full

2029
01:34:17,173 --> 01:34:18,933
Speaker 12: deal and you just fall asleep behind the wheel and

2030
01:34:19,013 --> 01:34:19,452
Speaker 12: let it rip.

2031
01:34:20,293 --> 01:34:21,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, think for you call Mike. Yes.

2032
01:34:21,933 --> 01:34:24,412
Speaker 2: So the level two driver system knowledge allows the car

2033
01:34:24,492 --> 01:34:28,612
Speaker 2: to accelerate, stair and navigate traffic, though the driver remains

2034
01:34:28,812 --> 01:34:29,933
Speaker 2: legally responsible.

2035
01:34:30,452 --> 01:34:32,772
Speaker 3: So that's what the test Tesla. So that's eleven four

2036
01:34:32,853 --> 01:34:35,173
Speaker 3: hundred dollars to get that upgrade for your car.

2037
01:34:35,333 --> 01:34:38,492
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if it goes wrong, then you are in

2038
01:34:38,572 --> 01:34:41,372
Speaker 4: the hot seat, you're responsible. Tesla can say, hey, look,

2039
01:34:41,492 --> 01:34:44,253
Speaker 4: you know we said this was on you.

2040
01:34:44,812 --> 01:34:49,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, in that in that case that we're talking about before,

2041
01:34:49,333 --> 01:34:51,333
Speaker 2: that's what Tesla said. They said that the person behind

2042
01:34:51,372 --> 01:34:54,372
Speaker 2: the wheel was legally responsible. But then they hidden some

2043
01:34:55,253 --> 01:34:57,732
Speaker 2: from my understanding of the case, they had said that

2044
01:34:57,853 --> 01:35:00,772
Speaker 2: they didn't have the data yeah to supply the court.

2045
01:35:01,173 --> 01:35:02,892
Speaker 2: But then a hacker came in and found the data.

2046
01:35:03,093 --> 01:35:04,972
Speaker 2: And so I think that's part of why the judgment's

2047
01:35:04,973 --> 01:35:07,093
Speaker 2: gone so heavily against Tesla two hundred and forty three

2048
01:35:07,133 --> 01:35:10,572
Speaker 2: million dollars, right, because I don't know for sure, but

2049
01:35:10,652 --> 01:35:13,133
Speaker 2: the suggestion is that they were being a little bit

2050
01:35:14,053 --> 01:35:16,532
Speaker 2: sneaky by not surprising supplying the data.

2051
01:35:16,692 --> 01:35:16,852
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2052
01:35:16,973 --> 01:35:19,293
Speaker 4: Fascinating times. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

2053
01:35:19,372 --> 01:35:22,293
Speaker 4: the number to call. Self driving software is on its

2054
01:35:22,333 --> 01:35:24,852
Speaker 4: way to the New Zealand market. Tesla has announced that

2055
01:35:25,372 --> 01:35:26,972
Speaker 4: we are going to be one of the first markets

2056
01:35:27,013 --> 01:35:30,612
Speaker 4: in the world to have that software for right hand driving.

2057
01:35:30,732 --> 01:35:32,932
Speaker 4: What do you say, if you're a Tesla driver, are

2058
01:35:32,933 --> 01:35:36,053
Speaker 4: you're going to buy the software? And if you are

2059
01:35:36,133 --> 01:35:37,933
Speaker 4: not a Tesla driver you're a bit terrified by this?

2060
01:35:38,293 --> 01:35:40,732
Speaker 2: Sooner the better for self driving, better traffic flows, no

2061
01:35:40,812 --> 01:35:41,892
Speaker 2: one blocking lights by.

2062
01:35:41,933 --> 01:35:43,532
Speaker 3: Running orange ones and not.

2063
01:35:43,612 --> 01:35:46,972
Speaker 2: Getting through, less accidents. The list is endless. This will

2064
01:35:47,013 --> 01:35:48,012
Speaker 2: be awesome, sins Gareth.

2065
01:35:48,133 --> 01:35:50,452
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of fans twenty nine to four.

2066
01:35:52,692 --> 01:35:56,053
Speaker 14: You talk, sa'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's

2067
01:35:56,133 --> 01:35:59,652
Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. Foreign investors with an

2068
01:35:59,692 --> 01:36:02,732
Speaker 14: Investor Residency visa will soon be able to buy a

2069
01:36:02,812 --> 01:36:05,572
Speaker 14: house in New Zealand, but only if it's valued over

2070
01:36:05,692 --> 01:36:08,772
Speaker 14: five million dollars. The new rules will only apply to

2071
01:36:08,853 --> 01:36:12,133
Speaker 14: those who've invested at least five million dollars here on

2072
01:36:12,293 --> 01:36:15,213
Speaker 14: top of the value of the house. The Gray District

2073
01:36:15,253 --> 01:36:19,093
Speaker 14: Council has called in police after online threats to councilors,

2074
01:36:19,253 --> 01:36:23,812
Speaker 14: including references to assassination and torture. The government is looking

2075
01:36:23,893 --> 01:36:26,253
Speaker 14: to address a hold up to the expansion of the

2076
01:36:26,333 --> 01:36:29,772
Speaker 14: country's largest port, port of Titong, says it may have

2077
01:36:29,933 --> 01:36:33,253
Speaker 14: to turn away ships after a High Court judge halted

2078
01:36:33,333 --> 01:36:36,933
Speaker 14: the potential fast tracking of its expansion due to the

2079
01:36:37,013 --> 01:36:40,253
Speaker 14: wording of the fast track legislation. The number of Keywi

2080
01:36:40,333 --> 01:36:44,133
Speaker 14: students learning another language is steadily dropping, with a new

2081
01:36:44,253 --> 01:36:48,133
Speaker 14: report recommending it now become a requirement for years seven

2082
01:36:48,213 --> 01:36:51,812
Speaker 14: to ten. Sand mining at Parkety Beach north of Auckland

2083
01:36:51,973 --> 01:36:55,892
Speaker 14: has officially been ruled out. McCullum Brothers Limited has reached

2084
01:36:55,933 --> 01:37:01,493
Speaker 14: a settlement agreement with nat Manaherti and Auckland Council, effective immediately.

2085
01:37:02,213 --> 01:37:05,533
Speaker 14: The obscure law driving some of New Zealand's best directors

2086
01:37:05,612 --> 01:37:09,133
Speaker 14: to Australia. See the story at Enzid Herald Press. Now

2087
01:37:09,213 --> 01:37:10,932
Speaker 14: back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adam.

2088
01:37:11,013 --> 01:37:12,973
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, SUSI. Twenty five to four. So

2089
01:37:13,053 --> 01:37:15,933
Speaker 4: Tesla has outlined the New Zealand introduction of the flagship

2090
01:37:15,973 --> 01:37:19,612
Speaker 4: tire of its semi autonomous driving software. They haven't said

2091
01:37:19,612 --> 01:37:21,893
Speaker 4: an exact date, but it is coming here first. So

2092
01:37:22,333 --> 01:37:24,172
Speaker 4: we've put the call out to you, our dear listeners.

2093
01:37:24,173 --> 01:37:26,053
Speaker 4: How do you feel about self driving cars coming to

2094
01:37:26,173 --> 01:37:26,732
Speaker 4: our roads?

2095
01:37:27,253 --> 01:37:30,012
Speaker 2: Can it merge better than a keiw How about keeping

2096
01:37:30,093 --> 01:37:34,293
Speaker 2: left on passing on a less passing might be a

2097
01:37:34,333 --> 01:37:38,253
Speaker 2: good thing. Yeah, keywis can't drive. Self driving cars might

2098
01:37:38,333 --> 01:37:39,412
Speaker 2: be able to the sticks.

2099
01:37:39,532 --> 01:37:41,452
Speaker 4: Merging is a massive thing. If it can merge, better

2100
01:37:41,572 --> 01:37:41,973
Speaker 4: bring it on.

2101
01:37:42,532 --> 01:37:46,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, so Liz, Welcome to the show.

2102
01:37:47,973 --> 01:37:51,412
Speaker 19: Hi Tyler, Hi mart. One of the points has already

2103
01:37:51,492 --> 01:37:54,492
Speaker 19: been made, which was for the older people. As you

2104
01:37:54,532 --> 01:37:56,812
Speaker 19: get older and you have to set your driving license,

2105
01:37:56,893 --> 01:38:00,372
Speaker 19: it's quite anxious time waiting to see you're going to

2106
01:38:00,412 --> 01:38:03,333
Speaker 19: have your driver's license, because if you suddenly lose it,

2107
01:38:03,452 --> 01:38:06,053
Speaker 19: you become very very isolated, if you don't have much

2108
01:38:06,093 --> 01:38:08,692
Speaker 19: family around you. We're very lucky in that way. But

2109
01:38:08,812 --> 01:38:13,173
Speaker 19: the other point is actually people on meds for maybe epilepsy,

2110
01:38:13,253 --> 01:38:17,053
Speaker 19: things like that, who are Yes. I mean I'm not

2111
01:38:17,853 --> 01:38:20,293
Speaker 19: a huge fan. I don't even have them about phone

2112
01:38:20,412 --> 01:38:23,333
Speaker 19: or a computer, so it would be quite difficult for

2113
01:38:23,452 --> 01:38:26,852
Speaker 19: me to use these things called absent things. But I

2114
01:38:26,973 --> 01:38:30,293
Speaker 19: can see if it's really really good in the future,

2115
01:38:30,333 --> 01:38:32,692
Speaker 19: it would be a huge help to stop people feeling

2116
01:38:32,772 --> 01:38:37,852
Speaker 19: isolated and people being able to continue working because of

2117
01:38:37,973 --> 01:38:39,492
Speaker 19: as a say, epilepsy and things like that.

2118
01:38:40,732 --> 01:38:43,293
Speaker 4: Yes, spot on, I mean, you know, when Uber eats

2119
01:38:43,372 --> 01:38:45,173
Speaker 4: came to the party and it still gets a bit

2120
01:38:45,213 --> 01:38:47,893
Speaker 4: of controversy. But for people who can't go out and

2121
01:38:48,053 --> 01:38:50,612
Speaker 4: drive and pick up their own food and whatnot, there's

2122
01:38:50,652 --> 01:38:52,532
Speaker 4: been a game changer itself, right, So this could be

2123
01:38:52,532 --> 01:38:53,612
Speaker 4: another situation like that.

2124
01:38:54,333 --> 01:38:57,932
Speaker 19: Yes, yes, and I think certainly for the elderly. I think,

2125
01:38:58,133 --> 01:39:01,852
Speaker 19: you know, if you've driven all of your life and

2126
01:39:01,933 --> 01:39:04,412
Speaker 19: then suddenly that's taken away from you, and maybe you

2127
01:39:04,532 --> 01:39:08,133
Speaker 19: don't live near to close public transport, then it's a

2128
01:39:08,492 --> 01:39:10,892
Speaker 19: huge change to your life, and I suspect could lead

2129
01:39:10,973 --> 01:39:12,293
Speaker 19: to severe depression, etc.

2130
01:39:13,013 --> 01:39:16,492
Speaker 2: Absolutely, when you get shut down and you can't visit people,

2131
01:39:16,572 --> 01:39:18,732
Speaker 2: can't deliver, people can't go to your whatever clubs or

2132
01:39:18,812 --> 01:39:20,972
Speaker 2: pick up whatever you need to do, do your own groceries,

2133
01:39:21,013 --> 01:39:22,053
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff.

2134
01:39:21,853 --> 01:39:24,572
Speaker 19: And even asking friends to help you out. You can

2135
01:39:24,652 --> 01:39:27,532
Speaker 19: only do that so often, so you probably start to

2136
01:39:27,572 --> 01:39:28,612
Speaker 19: feel like quite a burden.

2137
01:39:28,732 --> 01:39:28,972
Speaker 10: Really.

2138
01:39:29,412 --> 01:39:33,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for your callers, good point, Good afternoon, guys.

2139
01:39:34,093 --> 01:39:37,892
Speaker 2: Sorry I'm not with you on this hype around this stuff.

2140
01:39:37,933 --> 01:39:40,172
Speaker 2: They have been over There have been over fifty fatalities

2141
01:39:40,253 --> 01:39:44,532
Speaker 2: using Tesla software as just one example. Weimo by contrast,

2142
01:39:44,572 --> 01:39:48,253
Speaker 2: which uses way more so. Sciate technology like Leder has

2143
01:39:48,372 --> 01:39:51,213
Speaker 2: zero fatalities. The only desk that it is linked to

2144
01:39:52,013 --> 01:39:55,012
Speaker 2: WEAEIMO is the fact and out of control Tesla which

2145
01:39:55,053 --> 01:39:57,852
Speaker 2: crashed into one, killing the Tesla occupant. Just keep an

2146
01:39:57,893 --> 01:40:00,212
Speaker 2: eye out on all the lawsuits that have been settled

2147
01:40:00,253 --> 01:40:03,012
Speaker 2: by Tesla today, So the highest number that I can find.

2148
01:40:03,692 --> 01:40:05,493
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm not saying you're wrong, as seventeen

2149
01:40:05,692 --> 01:40:08,892
Speaker 2: fatalities in Tesla sort of pushback on few of them.

2150
01:40:10,293 --> 01:40:13,013
Speaker 2: So it's certainly not without out problems. But you've got

2151
01:40:13,053 --> 01:40:14,692
Speaker 2: to say the technology is getting better and better and

2152
01:40:14,732 --> 01:40:17,852
Speaker 2: better and better, definitely. And what I would say is

2153
01:40:17,973 --> 01:40:20,133
Speaker 2: that humans are quite capable of crashing.

2154
01:40:19,933 --> 01:40:22,293
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. I'm just trying to than humans.

2155
01:40:22,013 --> 01:40:23,932
Speaker 2: Are quite capable of falling asleep at the wheel. Yeah,

2156
01:40:24,093 --> 01:40:26,493
Speaker 2: humans are quite capable of drunk driving exactly.

2157
01:40:26,853 --> 01:40:28,972
Speaker 4: So if you look at the number of driving hours

2158
01:40:29,093 --> 01:40:31,772
Speaker 4: Tesla have and you come to the conclusion that there

2159
01:40:31,893 --> 01:40:34,492
Speaker 4: was seventeen recorded deaths, and then look at the number

2160
01:40:34,492 --> 01:40:38,212
Speaker 4: of driving hours for human powered driving and the fatality

2161
01:40:38,293 --> 01:40:38,732
Speaker 4: is there.

2162
01:40:38,612 --> 01:40:40,652
Speaker 2: Well, all that is really contested though, because you know

2163
01:40:40,732 --> 01:40:42,372
Speaker 2: the Tesla, the lawyers are going to say that one

2164
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Speaker 2: was an ass that one was this, but so seventeen

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Speaker 2: confirmed a lot of Tessler's out there. But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: know how you'd feel if one of your loved ones

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Speaker 2: got killed by Tesla a self driving car. Yeah, imagine

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Speaker 2: you'd pretty angry at the company.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Yeah, but the technology is getting incredibly good. I'm

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Speaker 4: just thinking about the vehicle we've got, which isn't Eclipse,

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01:41:02,933 --> 01:41:05,532
Speaker 4: so it's got the self breaking technology. And I've got

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01:41:05,612 --> 01:41:07,772
Speaker 4: to say, there was one occasion when I was coming

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01:41:07,853 --> 01:41:09,772
Speaker 4: up and it's got the big light saying break, break, break,

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Speaker 4: because it thinks it can see something confront And there

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01:41:12,053 --> 01:41:14,333
Speaker 4: was one occasion there was nothing there. God knows what's

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01:41:14,372 --> 01:41:15,812
Speaker 4: set it off, and it hit the brakes and I

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Speaker 4: was bloody terrified because there's nothing you can really do

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01:41:18,492 --> 01:41:20,492
Speaker 4: at that point. I think you can pump the brakes

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Speaker 4: to try and get it the stop, but that is

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Speaker 4: very old technology, whereas Tesla were in that situation years ago.

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01:41:29,133 --> 01:41:31,173
Speaker 4: So now they've really perfected a lot of the stuff.

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Speaker 3: So this text has hitspad.

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Speaker 2: I've just sent you a link with fifty nine confirmed fatalities,

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Speaker 2: and I've just been reading this other thing that says

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Speaker 2: at the fifty nine at disputed, But anyway, whether it's

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Speaker 2: seventeen somewhere between seventeen and fifty nine one is a tragedy, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, nicely said, right.

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Speaker 14: Oh.

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Speaker 4: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 4: We got to play some messages. But when we come back,

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Speaker 4: Chris has rung from Australia and he'd far prefer a

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Speaker 4: human behind the wheel. We'll find out why next twenty to.

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Speaker 1: Four, a fresh take on took Back. It's Matt Heathen

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01:42:01,053 --> 01:42:04,812
Speaker 1: Taylor Adams. Afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty US Talks.

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Speaker 4: They'd be for a good afternoon to you. We're talking

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Speaker 4: about south driving technology. It is coming to New Zealand.

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01:42:10,492 --> 01:42:12,933
Speaker 4: Tesla has announced that it has coming here, just not

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Speaker 4: on exact date. How do you feel about that?

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Speaker 2: Well, someone saying, why are you talking about Tesla so

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01:42:16,732 --> 01:42:18,892
Speaker 2: much on this issue? There's a lot of other players

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01:42:19,093 --> 01:42:21,213
Speaker 2: in the market. Has Elon Musk got a taser to

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01:42:21,253 --> 01:42:24,293
Speaker 2: the back of your head? The answer is because the

2204
01:42:24,333 --> 01:42:26,812
Speaker 2: news article is Tesla is bringing it to New Zealand. Yeah,

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01:42:26,893 --> 01:42:29,772
Speaker 2: and WEIMO is a long way away and they're different things.

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Speaker 2: So what we're saying is Tesla is bringing this this

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Speaker 2: second tier level two driver assistance technology in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: for eleven four hundred dollars if you're interested, yep, which

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Speaker 2: has you know, we can accelerate your caster you can't

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Speaker 2: never get through traffic and et cetera. But with what

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01:42:50,412 --> 01:42:52,372
Speaker 2: we're really saying is that how long is it tool?

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Speaker 2: We have those waymost style self driving taxis that they

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Speaker 2: have in so many places in the United States of America.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And as you say, we're mentioning Tesla because the

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Speaker 4: Ore the first cab off the rank, the Ore the

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01:43:01,412 --> 01:43:03,412
Speaker 4: first one to mention this technology is coming to New

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Speaker 4: Zealand and Australia for that matter, and that is a

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Speaker 4: big move.

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Speaker 2: So it can categorically tell you right now Elon Musk

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01:43:09,572 --> 01:43:12,333
Speaker 2: isn't in the studio with a taser to either our heads,

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01:43:12,532 --> 01:43:14,893
Speaker 2: no making us talk about Tesla specifically.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we can say that he does love the show that.

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Speaker 3: They're not the only one with this kind of technology. Yeah, obviously.

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01:43:20,732 --> 01:43:22,692
Speaker 4: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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01:43:22,732 --> 01:43:24,412
Speaker 4: to call Love to hear your thoughts. Are you're excited

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01:43:24,412 --> 01:43:27,692
Speaker 4: about self driving or not? Chris, how are you.

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01:43:29,532 --> 01:43:34,532
Speaker 20: Afternoon, gentlemen. Hey, I'm personally all about the cars being

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Speaker 20: held by humans on the road. For me, personally, I

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01:43:39,492 --> 01:43:43,053
Speaker 20: don't trust the digital cars being able to react as

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01:43:43,133 --> 01:43:46,213
Speaker 20: quick as me. If someone just cut in front of me,

2231
01:43:46,492 --> 01:43:47,253
Speaker 20: or someone.

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Speaker 13: Was a whole I need to be able to react

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Speaker 13: to that.

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Speaker 20: And if I was in the back seat or in

2235
01:43:52,253 --> 01:43:56,852
Speaker 20: the passenger seat with no console being able to remove

2236
01:43:56,933 --> 01:44:03,452
Speaker 20: myself from a situation, I'd make myself sort of you know,

2237
01:44:04,853 --> 01:44:07,213
Speaker 20: a little bit of a problem here. Now, I've just

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01:44:07,293 --> 01:44:10,572
Speaker 20: got to deal with it self. Control for me is

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01:44:10,652 --> 01:44:14,213
Speaker 20: absolutely number one on the road. But something that I

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Speaker 20: would sign up to would be drones. A drone taxi

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Speaker 20: that can land itself close to my house and then

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Speaker 20: drop me off somewhere close to work. And then they

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Speaker 20: have a digital system where if they've got two drones

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01:44:31,013 --> 01:44:34,653
Speaker 20: going in the same way, one will rise up higher.

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Speaker 3: And the other one will go You're like the three

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Speaker 3: D environment of.

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Speaker 20: It, right, yes, and and and and do you like

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Speaker 20: segueing from the the you know these digital vehicles to

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01:44:49,333 --> 01:44:53,213
Speaker 20: drones is there's there would be a computer system in

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Speaker 20: touch with that and that is really a capable system

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01:45:00,173 --> 01:45:01,692
Speaker 20: and that would take you off the road.

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01:45:02,333 --> 01:45:06,132
Speaker 2: So would you be would you be okay with because

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01:45:06,293 --> 01:45:08,412
Speaker 2: you know, what's the huge difference between a drone that

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01:45:08,492 --> 01:45:12,452
Speaker 2: can carry a person and a self piloting helicopter. I mean,

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Speaker 2: would you be okay with the self piloting helicopter?

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Speaker 20: Well, absolutely, because the digital information about where I've got

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01:45:20,933 --> 01:45:25,692
Speaker 20: to go to will then lap with someone else flying

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01:45:25,732 --> 01:45:29,692
Speaker 20: from somewhere else, and they would make adjustments to not collide.

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Speaker 16: In the year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it point would be very cool like

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Speaker 4: the jitsuns. But I've got to say that would terrify

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01:45:35,612 --> 01:45:38,972
Speaker 4: me far more than self driving car, self driving drone

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01:45:39,053 --> 01:45:39,932
Speaker 4: if it all goes wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah later, I mean, yeah, if you.

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01:45:43,492 --> 01:45:45,812
Speaker 2: Your plummet, if there is an issue, because you know,

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01:45:46,452 --> 01:45:48,372
Speaker 2: if you if your self driving taxi gets a little

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01:45:48,412 --> 01:45:50,812
Speaker 2: bit wrong, they're driving the speed limit. More than likely

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01:45:50,812 --> 01:45:51,932
Speaker 2: you just can have a bit of a dingle.

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01:45:52,013 --> 01:45:52,213
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:45:53,293 --> 01:45:56,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you start dropping from the sky. But

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01:45:57,013 --> 01:46:00,093
Speaker 2: you know the problem with drones that are powerful enough

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01:46:00,173 --> 01:46:02,572
Speaker 2: to pick up humans use a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of battery power, Yeah, a lot. It takes a lot

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01:46:05,173 --> 01:46:07,052
Speaker 3: of grunt. It's a lot of a lot of grunt.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call there's

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01:46:11,013 --> 01:46:13,932
Speaker 4: quite a few teas coming through, but least go tossignment Hi.

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Speaker 16: There he goes down very well.

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Speaker 4: You love the idea.

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Speaker 16: I like the idea. Yeah. I watched this really interesting

2281
01:46:21,492 --> 01:46:24,372
Speaker 16: video from I think the channel was called very Tassium

2282
01:46:24,492 --> 01:46:27,893
Speaker 16: on YouTube and they talked about how using five D

2283
01:46:28,213 --> 01:46:30,772
Speaker 16: for the cards to be able to communicate between each

2284
01:46:30,812 --> 01:46:33,092
Speaker 16: other is actually going to be ideal for traffic flows

2285
01:46:33,133 --> 01:46:38,093
Speaker 16: and also safety because they're constantly pinging messages and they're

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01:46:38,173 --> 01:46:40,612
Speaker 16: aware of each other and aware of traffic signals and

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Speaker 16: all sorts of things. So it does you're also expecting

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Speaker 16: the traffic to also be entirely on that platform too.

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01:46:49,853 --> 01:46:52,692
Speaker 16: And when you think about it too, if you lined

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Speaker 16: up in a traffic light, crrent the front is looking

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01:46:55,333 --> 01:46:58,013
Speaker 16: at the lights the current, second and fourth, fifth, then

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01:46:58,053 --> 01:47:01,213
Speaker 16: looking at the lights of the current. Yeah, And that's

2293
01:47:01,253 --> 01:47:04,133
Speaker 16: what slows down the traffic ultimately, is people reacting to

2294
01:47:04,372 --> 01:47:07,852
Speaker 16: completely different people with different reaction times.

2295
01:47:08,412 --> 01:47:10,253
Speaker 2: Not reacting at all because they've jumped on their phone

2296
01:47:10,293 --> 01:47:13,452
Speaker 2: and they haven't even noticed its exactly.

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Speaker 16: And that's and that's the entire thing around the safety

2298
01:47:16,893 --> 01:47:20,173
Speaker 16: thing as well, is that the from everything that I've

2299
01:47:20,213 --> 01:47:24,053
Speaker 16: heard about about self driving technology is that it's the

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01:47:24,253 --> 01:47:27,652
Speaker 16: accidents of course, because the cars are too safe. So

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Speaker 16: if you think of the technology as like the code

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Speaker 16: in the simplest terms, is there if their logic based statements,

2303
01:47:35,532 --> 01:47:38,973
Speaker 16: So if you do this, then do this, and so

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01:47:39,492 --> 01:47:43,732
Speaker 16: it can't react fast enough to unpredictable driving that a

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Speaker 16: human might do, whereas if it's if it's a smart car,

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01:47:47,853 --> 01:47:50,612
Speaker 16: the smart car, for example, then they can kind of

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01:47:50,652 --> 01:47:52,893
Speaker 16: predict off each other what they're going to do and

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Speaker 16: where they're going to be. So that's that's the cause

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01:47:56,412 --> 01:47:57,972
Speaker 16: of those accidents. Is the human error?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right in the first place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're saying, I've seen these demonstrations, these models of cities.

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01:48:04,452 --> 01:48:07,253
Speaker 2: If every single car was as you say, self driving

2313
01:48:07,492 --> 01:48:10,213
Speaker 2: and communicating with each other, and there's basically no traffic

2314
01:48:10,333 --> 01:48:13,293
Speaker 2: because they can go through intersections and time going through

2315
01:48:13,293 --> 01:48:14,932
Speaker 2: the intersections, so you would never even have to stop

2316
01:48:14,973 --> 01:48:17,972
Speaker 2: at red lights. They just can't exact as you say,

2317
01:48:18,013 --> 01:48:20,772
Speaker 2: all that and for an efficiency, so you could have

2318
01:48:20,853 --> 01:48:22,532
Speaker 2: everyone traveling. I mean, I know they tried to do

2319
01:48:22,612 --> 01:48:25,932
Speaker 2: in Auckland insanity a lower the speed to thirty kilometers now,

2320
01:48:25,973 --> 01:48:29,133
Speaker 2: but you everyone could just be driving at the same speed.

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Speaker 3: The whole way there, and.

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01:48:32,452 --> 01:48:34,852
Speaker 2: You know, the lights and everything is just all sync

2323
01:48:34,933 --> 01:48:38,293
Speaker 2: together and it will beautiful. But as you say, as

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01:48:38,333 --> 01:48:40,452
Speaker 2: you seem to get a human buzzing around in the air,

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Speaker 2: it all makes things very difficult.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean the ultimate test is also going to

2327
01:48:45,692 --> 01:48:47,852
Speaker 16: be well for me in particular because it's one of

2328
01:48:47,893 --> 01:48:51,812
Speaker 16: my pet peeves, doesn't know how to indicate a roundabout.

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01:48:52,532 --> 01:48:54,772
Speaker 16: I really really want to know if it knows how

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01:48:54,812 --> 01:48:56,532
Speaker 16: to do that, and it's perfect technology.

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01:48:57,772 --> 01:48:59,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's right because because a lot of this

2332
01:48:59,652 --> 01:49:01,852
Speaker 2: has been developed out of Silicon Valley in America is

2333
01:49:02,133 --> 01:49:06,853
Speaker 2: famously reticent to roundabout, so they might great round technology.

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01:49:07,133 --> 01:49:09,852
Speaker 2: There are interesting things those simons in terms of, you know,

2335
01:49:10,093 --> 01:49:14,932
Speaker 2: like the moral decisions that you know, self driving cars

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01:49:14,973 --> 01:49:17,133
Speaker 2: have to make. Like everyone you know talks about the

2337
01:49:17,213 --> 01:49:20,213
Speaker 2: trolley problem and whether you make a decision whether if

2338
01:49:20,253 --> 01:49:22,372
Speaker 2: you're going to if there's options of if you're going

2339
01:49:22,412 --> 01:49:25,333
Speaker 2: to run people down, and there's two options, do you

2340
01:49:25,452 --> 01:49:28,572
Speaker 2: pick the younger people the older people. There's lots lots

2341
01:49:28,612 --> 01:49:31,213
Speaker 2: of decisions that humans might make morally that we don't

2342
01:49:31,253 --> 01:49:33,293
Speaker 2: necessarily want a program into a car to make.

2343
01:49:33,772 --> 01:49:36,333
Speaker 3: But you know, the message cases.

2344
01:49:37,253 --> 01:49:40,333
Speaker 16: Yeah, to the AI side of things and think of

2345
01:49:40,452 --> 01:49:43,532
Speaker 16: it logically, or it's going to act in a way

2346
01:49:43,572 --> 01:49:46,612
Speaker 16: that it's been coded by a human. Yeah, so if

2347
01:49:46,652 --> 01:49:48,772
Speaker 16: it's able to learn learn how to do it, then

2348
01:49:48,812 --> 01:49:51,572
Speaker 16: it might be able to make that, Yeah, that decision

2349
01:49:51,692 --> 01:49:54,053
Speaker 16: like a human world. Or if it's like if this,

2350
01:49:54,412 --> 01:49:57,092
Speaker 16: then do this, then that's the answers to the trolley

2351
01:49:57,133 --> 01:49:59,812
Speaker 16: problem is as a coded response.

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01:50:00,333 --> 01:50:03,172
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so the trolley problem being the moral dilemma

2353
01:50:03,253 --> 01:50:06,293
Speaker 2: where you must choose between two harmful outcomes, letting a

2354
01:50:06,333 --> 01:50:08,133
Speaker 2: trolley kill five people or diverting it.

2355
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Speaker 3: To one person instead.

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01:50:09,973 --> 01:50:11,732
Speaker 2: So the idea is that either it's just going to

2357
01:50:11,772 --> 01:50:13,852
Speaker 2: do it or you make a decision to bear ver off.

2358
01:50:14,013 --> 01:50:16,053
Speaker 2: So if you have to put that into a car

2359
01:50:16,133 --> 01:50:17,772
Speaker 2: self driving car, you go, okay, well, if you're going

2360
01:50:17,853 --> 01:50:21,612
Speaker 2: to crash into five people, but there's an option where

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01:50:21,612 --> 01:50:22,293
Speaker 2: you just crash.

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01:50:22,093 --> 01:50:25,333
Speaker 3: Into one, then you know which one do you take. Yeah,

2363
01:50:25,333 --> 01:50:25,932
Speaker 3: it's a hard thing.

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01:50:25,893 --> 01:50:29,572
Speaker 4: To break your ethics of robotics. Yeah, it's a big one. Simon,

2365
01:50:29,652 --> 01:50:35,012
Speaker 4: great Caul, thank you very much. A couple of texts here, guys,

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01:50:35,452 --> 01:50:37,812
Speaker 4: I love the idea of the self driving car. I

2367
01:50:38,013 --> 01:50:41,532
Speaker 4: can drive pisce to the pub and I can get

2368
01:50:41,612 --> 01:50:44,932
Speaker 4: the car ride home drunk as well. That would work

2369
01:50:44,973 --> 01:50:45,572
Speaker 4: for my lifestyle.

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Speaker 3: The interesting thing is that's not going to change the alcohol.

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01:50:48,652 --> 01:50:50,053
Speaker 3: So if you drive pissed from the pub, they're not

2372
01:50:50,053 --> 01:50:50,932
Speaker 3: going to let you into the pub.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:50:51,572 --> 01:50:51,772
Speaker 16: Yeah.

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01:50:51,853 --> 01:50:53,173
Speaker 4: The idea is you're not driving.

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01:50:53,333 --> 01:50:55,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's kind of I can kind of

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Speaker 2: see it like in sort of a Vietnam situation when

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Speaker 2: you call in a pick up, you know, like an

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Speaker 2: evac helicopter, but it's your driver's this car.

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Speaker 3: You just press the button and your car comes and

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Speaker 3: gets you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I love that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 4: It is eight minutes to four back very shortly. You

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Speaker 4: listening to Matt and Tyler. Hope you having a great afternoon.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 3: That be news talks there b it is five to

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Speaker 3: four self driving cars great for useless drivers.

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Speaker 2: I'll encourage my mother in law to get one, make

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Speaker 2: us all safest. Is any ask any tractor driver or

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Speaker 2: farmer now using GPS auto stair for seeding or plowing.

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Speaker 2: I don't think any of them would ever go back.

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Speaker 2: Commutera is just better at driving and more accurate.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, great text, and this one. The self driving car

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Speaker 4: will err on the far side of caution. It will

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Speaker 4: accelerate like it's identical twin the platypus to gain itself

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Speaker 4: greater range reputation, and will merge like a broken zip

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Speaker 4: bugger caution, get your foot into it, okay.

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Speaker 2: And some people saying that you'll never be able to

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Speaker 2: drink drive in a driverless car. But I'm thinking if

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Speaker 2: they legislate that a car can drive by itself, then

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Speaker 2: what doesn't matter if it's driving with an unconscious drunk

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Speaker 2: person on the back. If they decide that they're safe

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Speaker 2: enough to drive on their own, then surely it's safe

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Speaker 2: enough to drive with a drunk person in that. But

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Speaker 2: it's interesting how most people that are texting you and

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Speaker 2: want to use it for that purpose. Anyway, Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for listening to the show. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: your calls and text We've had a great time. The

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Speaker 2: Matt and Tyler Full Show podcast. We'll be out wherever

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Speaker 4: But Tyler, my good friend, tell me why I'm playing

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Speaker 4: the song now, I have actually no idea. I love

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Speaker 4: the song chumber one, but tub thumping.

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Speaker 3: Well, the song's all about getting wasted, and a concrete

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Speaker 3: layer said, you can't find anyone to work in his

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Speaker 3: company because all the young workers are too wasted all

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Speaker 3: the time to do the job.

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Speaker 4: Great choice, great show, Love it all right, have.

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Speaker 3: A great reci your afternoon till tomorrow. Give him a

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Speaker 3: taste of keying from Rsie.

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