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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Teams podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at b.

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Speaker 2: Stephen k Amos does the talking so we can do

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Speaker 2: the laughing. You'll have seen him on his regular spots

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Speaker 2: on UK TV shows like Live at the Apollo and

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Speaker 2: QI my favorite of the British panel shows, and right

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Speaker 2: now Stevens in Australia out on the festival circuit before

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Speaker 2: heading our way in May with his new show Deconstructing

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Speaker 2: the Science of.

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Speaker 3: Laughter and Steven's with Us this morning held a good.

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Speaker 4: Morning, Good morning Jack, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: It's so good to be speaking with you. I have

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Speaker 2: very much enjoyed your contributions to British.

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Speaker 3: Panel shows over the years.

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Speaker 2: I'm a real British panel show geek. So it is

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Speaker 2: a delight to know you're coming back to New Zealand

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Speaker 2: and you're coming back with a brand new show that

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Speaker 2: deconstructs the science of laughter.

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Speaker 3: So tell us about that.

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Speaker 5: Wow, well, that is an element of the show that's

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Speaker 5: absolutely true. I was asked in New Zealand good few

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Speaker 5: years ago now, so I'm absolutely thrilled to be coming

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Speaker 5: back after all this time. I've got friends who live

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Speaker 5: in the South Island a place called Picton.

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Speaker 2: Oh very good, it's not my aunt. My aunt lives

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Speaker 2: in that part of the world, so maybe you're buma

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Speaker 2: to her.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I will. There's not many people live there.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, the show is called Now We're Talking, And

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Speaker 5: basically that is one of the elements in the show,

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Speaker 5: where I'm talking about what laughter does to our brains

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Speaker 5: and our body, how very important it is to have

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Speaker 5: people sitting close together at any kind of comedy show

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Speaker 5: because we.

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Speaker 4: Need you all to be infected with laughter.

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Speaker 5: And then I talk about how it's important for us

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Speaker 5: of noise out there and people aren't listing enough.

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Speaker 4: So that's the essence of the show.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, the world has changed a lot.

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Speaker 2: I looked at up you were last in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: and twenty sixteen, So it feels like there's probably a

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Speaker 2: fear bit of content that you'll be able to draw

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Speaker 2: upon given the state of the extent to which the

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Speaker 2: world has changed in that time. So when I think

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Speaker 2: of laughter, I think you hit on a really important

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Speaker 2: point here. There's a social component, isn't here, Because if

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Speaker 2: you're watching a TV show by yourself, even if it's

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Speaker 2: really funny. Most of the time you don't laugh. But

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Speaker 2: if you have another person sitting next to you on

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Speaker 2: the couch, then for some reason you laugh.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why is it.

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Speaker 5: It's something to do with the human connection, the mirror neuron.

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Speaker 5: You see somebody laugh, you laugh. Is a shared experience

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Speaker 5: and on your own. I suppose people don't want to

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Speaker 5: look odd if they're just sitting behide themselves and then

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Speaker 5: go fororing like a like a bit of a lunatic.

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Speaker 5: But it is good for the soul. I mean, even

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Speaker 5: if you just walk down the street and you hear

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Speaker 5: somebody laughing uproariously, you've got no idea what they're laughing at.

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Speaker 5: You start laughing as well. I mean, that's wonderful. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I don't remember. Back in the day, there's be a

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Speaker 5: song by the Laughing Policeman which has when and it

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Speaker 4: We don't know why. Really.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I remember seeing an amazing short film once. It might

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Speaker 2: have been German, or it might have been scanning Avy,

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Speaker 2: It was people sitting on a train carriage and one

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Speaker 3: And all this.

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Speaker 2: Film was was this the scene on a train carriage

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Speaker 3: Was actually, it was actually truly beautiful.

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Speaker 2: It sounds kind of it might sound a bit corny

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Speaker 2: you could. You know, there is something profoundly infectious about it.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, but also in the same way that you can

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Speaker 5: Somebody comes into the room with a cheery disposition, Wow,

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Speaker 5: you're drawn to that person. It's great And you know

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Speaker 5: it's a cliche, but laughter is the best medicine. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it absolutely is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I totally agree with that.

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Speaker 2: It's the best medicine, and it's the universal language, which

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Speaker 2: I suppose when you're making I appreciate it's not the

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Speaker 5: Well, and indeed it doesn't matter where you are, where

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Speaker 5: basic human level. Babies learn to laugh before they can speak.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that.

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Speaker 5: It's not incredible when you just break it right down,

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Speaker 5: that's what it is. One of the oldest jokes in

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Speaker 5: your babies. Who's their Daddy's there and your baby starts Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Very good point.

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Speaker 2: I've got a one year old at the moment, and

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Speaker 2: he's just at that delightful stage where Peekaboo is an

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Speaker 2: I can feel my blood pressure relax or something like.

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Speaker 2: I feel a kind of physiological reaction as I as

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Speaker 2: I join him and laughter. You know it's a it's

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Speaker 2: an amazing it's an amazing thing, and you never really

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Speaker 3: I suppose no you don't.

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Speaker 5: Now that's where I've taken time out in the show too.

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Speaker 5: I mean I should stress it's not a Ted talk no, no,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Stephen is going to be addressing us about yeah yeah,

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Speaker 5: And I will I will be guaranteeing that laughter will ensue.

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Speaker 5: Where I've been doing the show recently in Adelaide and

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Speaker 3: That's really good to hear.

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Speaker 2: So so you're sort of on the festival circuit a

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Speaker 2: That was where you really started to connect with people.

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Speaker 2: So how do you reflect I don't want to suggest

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Speaker 5: Well, I think you're absolutely right, Jack, there have been

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Speaker 5: an explosion, and I think partly what's that got to

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Speaker 5: do with is the fact that people's tastes have changed

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Speaker 5: over the years. How people consume comedy has changed. The

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Speaker 5: What they thought was funny. That has changed, the advent

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Speaker 5: And what I've seen in particular in the last ten

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Speaker 5: When I was doing the End, I used to the

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Speaker 5: Edinbard Festival every year since nineteen ninety seven, for example,

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Speaker 5: and back then, for example, I would be one of

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Speaker 5: maybe two other black comedians there, or you wouldn't hear

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Speaker 5: But now that the landscape, as I say, has changed,

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Speaker 5: and it's wonderful because every one of us has got

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Speaker 5: a story to tell. And you know, comedy is subjective.

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Speaker 5: What you do is you find your tribe. You know,

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Speaker 5: if you don't find someone particularly funny, don't go and

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Speaker 5: see them. That's how simple it is. But but I

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Speaker 5: emotional very emotive. I think people get so angry if

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Speaker 5: a comedy show, like music as well, Oh that band

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Speaker 5: likes them. There is a reason for their success. You know,

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Speaker 3: That's a very mature reflection.

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Speaker 2: Well, I just thought, because you know there are I mean,

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Speaker 5: Well, Well, the way I think the world has got

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Speaker 5: People say whatever they want without recourse. But I think

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Speaker 5: freedom of speech comes freedom of expression, whereby we can

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Speaker 5: that should be the payoff. I think any decent comedian,

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Speaker 5: any good comedian, should be able and allowed to tackle

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Speaker 5: the boundaries of comedy. It's a comedy show, and that

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Speaker 5: doesn't mean you say what you want to make people

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Speaker 5: do that. I'm pretty certain that every single one of us,

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Speaker 5: everyone of the listeners right now will said the most

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: That's that's polite society. So for me and myself, as

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Speaker 5: I say, people like my stuff, people don't like my stuff.

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Speaker 5: I don't get involved in online spats with anybody. You know,

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Speaker 5: people people have said some stuff about me in the

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Speaker 5: past over the years. I don't get involved with it

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Speaker 5: because it's not I'm not adding fuel or oxygen to

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Speaker 2: Very wise, very wise, And I'm one hundred percent with you.

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Speaker 2: I always just think context is so often forgotten.

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Speaker 5: With these contexts and nuance, it's so easy to sit

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Speaker 5: at the end of the day, to be honest, Jack,

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Speaker 5: I don't want to hear I don't want to know

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Speaker 5: what people who know nothing think.

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Speaker 3: No, this is that's a great attitude.

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Speaker 2: I always think, you know, if you've taken the time,

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Speaker 2: whoever you are, anonymous keyboard warrior, to take, you know,

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Speaker 2: three minutes out of your day to write a horrible

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Speaker 2: message to me, I can only imagine how vacuous an

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Speaker 2: empty your life must be, because if that's a time, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: No, I can't imagine sitting I don't think I could.

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Speaker 5: I could put my hand on heart and say, I

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Speaker 5: can look through all my social media over the years

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Speaker 5: and I've never written anything.

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Speaker 4: Horrible to anybody.

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Speaker 3: Good.

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Speaker 4: I mean, how what benefit does it make you feel better?

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Speaker 4: My goodness? Gracious for me?

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Speaker 2: Hey, why are the Brits so good at panel shows?

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Speaker 2: Why don't we see the Americans doing funny panel shows?

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Speaker 2: But I mean there are a diame. It doesen't in

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Speaker 2: the UK, and almost to a program, they are sensational.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what. I don't know what the the

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Speaker 4: actual answer is. It could be.

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Speaker 5: I mean, for example, the Americans are very good at sitcom,

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Speaker 5: maybe because they have lots and lots of writers.

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Speaker 4: They're good at.

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Speaker 5: Sketch in some in many respects, maybe because they have

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Speaker 5: lots and lots of writers. But with a panel show,

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Speaker 5: it's about getting about each person being individual, and it's

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Speaker 5: kind of in the moment, and it's funny, and some

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Speaker 5: people are very self deprecating on there. So you again,

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Speaker 5: like comedy, you find the ones you like and then

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Speaker 5: you go bang, oh yeah, that's that's he said, that's spontaneously,

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Speaker 5: that's funny.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's the secret.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I don't want to say the Americans aren't witty,

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Speaker 2: because I enjoy American comedies as well, but I think

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Speaker 2: maybe that's it. Maybe maybe there's something about the British

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Speaker 2: sensibility that just leans itself to being wittier in those

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Speaker 2: in those moments and those shows beat a suitor kind

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Speaker 2: of witty format, you know, Jack, Yeah exactly. You put

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Speaker 2: it on me, Steve, and yeah, you take I was

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Speaker 2: going to see all the comments flooding and I'll be

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Speaker 2: totally misrepresented here. And yeah, my final question for you,

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Speaker 2: you were in the Beetlejuice sequel.

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Speaker 3: A couple of yes, So how did that come about?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's one of those things.

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Speaker 5: I'm just very grateful that over the years standup has

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Speaker 5: opened many different avenues to walk down through. I've done

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Speaker 5: a West End musical, for example. I mean, who would

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Speaker 5: have thought it? And then I got a call a

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Speaker 5: me a code name for this thing, and they mentioned

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Speaker 5: Tim Burton and I'm like.

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Speaker 4: Whatever it is, I'm in.

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Speaker 5: And then of course I find out with a script

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Speaker 5: that arrives a couple of days later, and it's watermarked

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Speaker 5: and it's highly tightly secure, and it's got a codbird

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Speaker 5: and I know exactly what it is, and I'm like boom.

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Speaker 5: Of course, and everyone has seen it, you'll know that

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Speaker 5: the scene that I'm talking about is it's a pastiche.

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Speaker 4: It's quite a nod back to.

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Speaker 5: A certain very famous music program in America in these

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Speaker 5: late sixties and seventies, and that's I think it's quite funny.

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Speaker 4: I think it's the best scene, but I'm byased.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you are. Yeah, yeah, no, no, we

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Speaker 2: can definitely agree on that point. Hey, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for giving us your time. We are delighted to

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Speaker 2: have you coming back to our shores and look forward

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Speaker 2: to seeing you very soon.

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Speaker 5: I can't wait. I'm absolutely thrilled to be coming out

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Speaker 5: to New Zealand. Yeah, it's been too.

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