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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spens to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: Oring it's Heather du Passy on Drive with One New

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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Today, we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about the Epstein files with US lawyer Randy Zellen.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about the GP funding shake up

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Speaker 2: Hulk Hogan with the woman who wrote the book on

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Speaker 2: professional wrestling and yes, there is a woman who wrote

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Speaker 2: a book on professional wrestling.

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Speaker 1: For Heather Duplicy out.

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Speaker 2: First up, though, we're going to have to talk about Garza. Now,

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Speaker 2: don't turn off your radio. You don't need to turn

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Speaker 2: it off. I'm not going to be graphic and I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to talk about what's happening there in detail.

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Speaker 2: You already know. You can choose to read about it yourself,

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Speaker 2: and I recommend that you do, just to the point

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Speaker 2: that you can kind of handle it. Credit today to

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Speaker 2: Anthony Alberonizi, the Prime Minister of Australia. He has stopped

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Speaker 2: pussy footing around what's going on here. He's just put

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Speaker 2: out a strongly worded statement This afternoon, he demands, demanding

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Speaker 2: that Israel stops starving children to death and let in

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Speaker 2: more aid. He says, we call on Israel to comply

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Speaker 2: immediately with its obligations under international law. Now that is

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Speaker 2: a shed load better than the waffly joint statement we

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Speaker 2: signed up earlier this week. We need to get a

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Speaker 2: spine on this, don't we Our joint statement didn't even

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Speaker 2: mention the word starvation or starving or any variation on

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Speaker 2: having absolutely no impact. And that is what it had.

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Speaker 2: No impact.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I am not naive enough to think that New Zealand

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Speaker 2: telling Israel off is going to change anything. But we've

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Speaker 2: got to do something. And if all we've got God

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Speaker 2: as words, then we're going to have to use them.

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Speaker 2: Because maybe I am naive enough to believe that if

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Speaker 2: enough world leaders call out Israel and name what is

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Speaker 2: going on and don't puss his foot around it, and

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Speaker 2: call the deliberate starvation for what it is, and if

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Speaker 2: enough world leaders say you have got to stop this now,

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Speaker 2: and if enough leaders then in act sanctions on Israel,

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Speaker 2: then surely Trump cannot ignore it anymore. And Trump is

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Speaker 2: the key here. He's the one we have to convince.

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Speaker 2: Now I know that Israe else still has hostages in

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Speaker 2: those tunnels. And as I said earlier this week, COMUS

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Speaker 2: must release them for this water end. There is no

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Speaker 2: other way. But let me put this to you in

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Speaker 2: very very stark numbers. Ten hostages is not worth even

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Speaker 2: one of those children's lives. You do not starve a

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Speaker 2: child to death to get ten hostages out. They are children. Now,

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Speaker 2: as I say, I cannot believe that we are watching

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Speaker 1: Heather d for Seela Right.

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Speaker 2: So Facebook, get a load of US drug dealers are

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Speaker 2: openly selling Class A substances on Facebook marketplace, psychedelic mushrooms, cannabis, alsti.

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Speaker 2: They've all been popping up for sale a blay of plenty.

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Speaker 2: Man says he's tried to report the accounts doing this

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Speaker 2: to Facebook hundreds of times, he reckons, but nothing has

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Speaker 2: been done about it. Glenn Dobson is the CEO of

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Speaker 2: the Drug Detection Agency and with US. Hi, Glenn, yeah, Hi,

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Speaker 2: hear that you know this was happening.

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Speaker 4: Oh, Like, it's not a surprise. They're using social media platforms.

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Speaker 4: We've known about the dark web for years and technology moves,

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Speaker 2: It's hardly the dark web, though, is that? I mean

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Speaker 2: his Facebook marketplace? Like literally you and I could go on,

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Speaker 2: our kids could go on Facebook marketplace. Isn't that mental?

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Speaker 4: And that's the scary thing, you know for us with

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Speaker 2: Is there anything that the cops can do to stop this?

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Speaker 4: There is, Look, I think there definitely is, both from

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Speaker 4: they still have an obligation to polase it. Either mean low.

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Speaker 2: Glenn, have you touched on the problem there, which is

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Speaker 2: that if you're busting millions and millions and millions of

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Speaker 2: Then somebody selling I don't know, analyst sheet is hardly

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Speaker 4: now as we see being marketed through platforms like Facebook.

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Speaker 2: And what about the fact that Facebook market Facebook's being

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Speaker 4: Meta has a they have a moral obligation to do

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Speaker 2: Is there some sort I'm trying right now, Glenn, while

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to buy it. Well, I'm not trying to

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Speaker 2: Facebook Marketplace and I typed and alist have got nothing.

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Speaker 4: Well, look, there is often a street slang that they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, hey, I'll see what I can find

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Speaker 2: out about the slang. Thank you, Glenn appreciated Glenn Dobbs

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Speaker 2: and the Drug Detection Agency CEO. I'm not trying to

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Speaker 2: I've got some young people on the team who know

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Speaker 2: what's going on in the world much better than this boomer.

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Speaker 2: So they'll give me some hot tips and I'll talk

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Speaker 2: Coldplay kiss cam video, the woman has now resigned, So

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Speaker 2: We've got all the scalps we possibly can, I would say.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen past four.

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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be nice, but I don't I

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Speaker 2: don't mean to be nice, but I don't think that

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Speaker 2: I am a boomer my spirit. If I need the

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Speaker 2: by the way I did, I'll run you through it

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Speaker 2: in a minute. Sixteen past four, Jason pine sports talk host, Hello, Pony.

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Speaker 7: Is Pony there?

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Speaker 2: Oh, don't know, don't know where Piney. Now, they're waving

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Speaker 2: at their hands at me. They don't know where Pineyers.

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Speaker 2: They will find Piney. While we're waiting for Piney actually,

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Speaker 2: why don't I tell you about the drugs? Okay? So

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Speaker 2: what it was was that I didn't look stop texting

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Speaker 2: on near This was in the Herald. If it's in

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Speaker 2: the Herald, then it's okay to talk about it. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So what it is, I don't recommend that you obviously,

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Speaker 2: in Westport, they're in Christ, they're in Lincoln, they're in Christ.

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Speaker 2: what your children are doing. On the Facebook seventeen past four.

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Speaker 2: You there now, Pony, I am here.

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Speaker 8: I've been here the whole time listening to you.

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Speaker 9: Have you.

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Speaker 2: Cruel and Unusual punishment cruel and I've loved it.

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Speaker 2: Poney, tell me about the Black Ferns team. Are we

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Speaker 8: The big I guess point of interest is whether Ruby

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Speaker 8: That's probably the biggest point of contention. There's a lot

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Speaker 8: Poorschell Woodman Wickcliffe, Caitlin Carlo, Letty Ainger, the new girl

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Okay, and now listen on the Warriors. Are

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 8: I think I must have eraised this from my memory, Heather.

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Speaker 8: But last year the Titans beat the Warriors sixty six six.

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Speaker 2: A graceful one, wasn't it, Poney.

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Speaker 8: I know I'd completely forgotten that, and I think maybe

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Speaker 8: my memory was protecting me from the anguish of it.

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Speaker 8: But I can't see the same thing happening again tomorrow.

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Speaker 8: That was on the Gold Coast. The Titans were bottom

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Speaker 8: I get the feeling they'll be okay tomorrow, get another

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Speaker 2: Brilliant. Look forward to talking to you again on Monday, Poney,

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Speaker 2: that's Jason Pine's sports talk post. He'll be here seven

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Speaker 2: It would just come up with a quite a crafty

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Speaker 7: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Barrystop is going to run us through that shortly. Dan

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Speaker 2: Hogan's legacy, and it's twenty four away from five.

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Speaker 2: He'd be drive so hospitals in the Gaza Strip are

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Speaker 15: I don't care if the war continues, but let the

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Speaker 6: Miss Marswell. He answered every single question. She never stopped.

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Speaker 8: She never invooked a privilege, she never declined to answer.

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Speaker 16: She answered all the questions truthfully, honestly answered that of

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Speaker 2: And finally, I believe in Google has been ordered to

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Speaker 14: who is now and this is him saying this, who

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Speaker 14: is now in the Oval office.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it seems to me. Tell me if

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong. But the only way that this ends, as

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Speaker 2: far as I can see, is either it just peters

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Speaker 2: out over the summer for you guys, or he releases

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Speaker 2: the files.

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Speaker 14: No, I think I think there's going to have to

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Speaker 14: be something a lot bigger in the news cycle, especially

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Speaker 14: in the summer months where things are kind of quiet,

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Speaker 14: to push this over to the side. So I think

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Speaker 14: you're right. I think they're going to be forced to

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Speaker 14: release more more documents.

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Speaker 2: So you guys aren't having enough babies by the looks

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Speaker 2: of things.

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Speaker 14: No, no, no, no, people are marrying later. They're worried

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Speaker 14: about their ability to have money, health insurance, all the

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Speaker 14: other stuff that you need, as you know, when it

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Speaker 14: comes to raising kids in an environment like this. So

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Speaker 14: what we're finding is that the fertility rate is d

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Speaker 14: off to an all time low this year. They're saying

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Speaker 14: few and I don't know where they get the one

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Speaker 14: point six because they see fewer than one point six

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Speaker 14: kids are being born for every woman here. And you know,

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Speaker 14: we're kind of one of the few developed countries that

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Speaker 14: you could sort of count on generation after generation that

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Speaker 14: would sort of replace itself. So the Trump administration now

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Speaker 14: has been you know, talking about this for the last

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Speaker 14: six or seven months, and they're saying, Okay, our birth

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Speaker 14: rates are falling here, and so they issued an executive

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Speaker 14: order that is going to expand access to reduce costs

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Speaker 14: for in vitro fertilization. And I'm not laughing about that.

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Speaker 14: What I am though, is that they're backing the idea

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Speaker 14: of sort of baby bonuses now that might encourage more

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Speaker 14: couples to have kids. I mean, you're talking about a

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Speaker 14: few thousand dollars, and you know, from having a kid,

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Speaker 14: a few thousand dollars isn't going to encourage you to

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Speaker 14: have another child when it costs hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 14: dollars to get them to eighteen.

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Speaker 2: It's also just like it's just not going to work, right,

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Speaker 2: because we've found that in Europe, but financial incentives to

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Speaker 2: have babies just simply doesn't work. There is something it

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Speaker 2: has to be that you actually want to have kids,

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Speaker 2: and we just need to accept many many people don't

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Speaker 2: want to have kids, right.

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Speaker 6: That's true.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's true. That or they're they're just realizing, hey,

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Speaker 14: you know, I want to have a life up until

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Speaker 14: a certain age, and I'm going to sort of postpone

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Speaker 14: it a little bit longer.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Now, so how long had Hulk Hogan been sick?

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Speaker 2: Because there were rumors going around then his wife had

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Speaker 2: denied them, hadn't she?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, like the last month or so, there had been

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Speaker 14: these these these uh well, even radio shows over here

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Speaker 14: were doubling down saying that he had been ill and

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Speaker 14: that he was in a coma and he wasn't doing well,

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Speaker 14: and he couldn't speak, and he wasn't long for the

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Speaker 14: world here, and even as there well, gosh, I guess

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Speaker 14: it was maybe Monday of this week. These these horribas

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Speaker 14: were going around, and then of course we learned that

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Speaker 14: he had passed away earlier today. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 14: from from a cardiac issues, but he had undergone maybe

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Speaker 14: twenty or thirty surgeries, and he had had health problems

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Speaker 14: from steroid use and everything that he had done in

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Speaker 14: the in the ring over the last thirty or forty years.

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Speaker 14: So is this surprising? I think it always is when

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Speaker 14: somebody passes away, But when you look at his history,

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Speaker 14: maybe not so much.

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Speaker 3: Dan.

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Speaker 2: It's good to talk to you. Enjoy your weekend. That's

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Speaker 2: Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent, on that The Herald ran a

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Speaker 2: story today. I don't know if you remember this, but

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Speaker 2: back in the day, Holk Hogan had been outed by

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Speaker 2: a media website I suppose when you say media, well,

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Speaker 2: I suppose they are anyway, but like a mino media

511
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Speaker 2: website called Gorka a few years ago. I think it

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Speaker 2: was a sex tape or something like that. And he

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Speaker 2: then fought them over that, and that effort, that lawsuit

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Speaker 2: was funded by Peter Tel. Peter Tile had borne a

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Speaker 2: grudge against Gorka because they had outed him for being

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Speaker 2: gay or something like that that he hadn't chosen it,

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Speaker 2: they had chosen, and so he had a grudge and

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Speaker 2: so he funded hel Cogan's court case. So anyway, the

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Speaker 2: Herald wrote like just reminded people of this today and

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Speaker 2: their headline was how key wee billionaire Peter Tele bank

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Speaker 2: rolled blah blah, kee wee billionaire, key wee billionaire. Since

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Speaker 2: when is Peter Teel a key wee billionaire. He's an American.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to claim him anyway. Brings me to

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Speaker 2: one of my favorite subjects. Just because someone has a

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Speaker 2: New Zealand passport, does not make them a Kiwi. And

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Speaker 2: this happens a lot in the media. You see, oh,

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Speaker 2: Kiwi attacked in South Africa. Oh my gosh, you read Hey,

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Speaker 2: that's a South African who's got New Zealand citizenship. That

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Speaker 2: ain't a Kiwi. What are you doing? And you get

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Speaker 2: a lot of that.

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Speaker 5: Ah.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, So apparently Peter Teeler is also a Kiwi. Seventeen

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Speaker 2: away from five Politics with centrics credit, check your customers

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Speaker 2: and get payment certainty. Actually, by the way, on Epstein,

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Speaker 2: which we're going to discuss a little bit, there is

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Speaker 2: a fascinating timeline that sheds light on this. I'll run

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Speaker 2: you through it shortly. It's quarter to five and with

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Speaker 2: me now with seenior political correspondent Barry Soberhy.

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Speaker 17: Barry, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: So what do you make of this passport redesign?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know the thing is, I've.

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Speaker 17: Got a relatively new passport and on every of you

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Speaker 17: took any notice of it, it apparently has Urufenowa R

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Speaker 17: t R printed above the New Zealand passport. I didn't

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Speaker 17: really take in he noticed what I got by a passport,

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Speaker 17: But it seems that certainly the Coalition doesn't like the idea.

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Speaker 17: Of course, some New Zealand First Coalition agreement with National

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Speaker 17: stipulates that the public service departments have their primary name

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Speaker 17: in English and they're required to communicate basically in the

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Speaker 17: English language. Interestingly, Winston, of course, has got a bit

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Speaker 17: of a slap down yesterday in Parliament by the Speaker

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Speaker 17: Jerry Brownly over his abhorrence word at row are being

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Speaker 17: used in questions in parliament. Jerry Brownie said, well, Winston,

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Speaker 17: of all people should know that he's been around the

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Speaker 17: world many many times using his passport. That Tiro is

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Speaker 17: on the front cover. Well, it will still be on

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Speaker 17: the front cover, but nevertheless the New Zealand passport, the

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Speaker 17: English will be at the top, so they'll be swapped

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Speaker 17: and the urufenawa Artro will be below it. Now, is

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Speaker 17: this doesn't make any difference?

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Speaker 2: No, it really doesn't. And I was going to ask you,

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Speaker 2: is this because Winston wants it all? What's brought the sun?

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Speaker 17: Well it's interesting, isn't it. That is Brock van Valden

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Speaker 17: that will be making the changes, and they won't come

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Speaker 17: into being until twenty twenty seven, when the current crop

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Speaker 17: of books have already gone out to people. And they

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Speaker 17: run out. They'll then have the new updated passport. But

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Speaker 17: it's Act that's doing this, not New Zealand first. But

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Speaker 17: no doubt Winston Peters will have a big smile on

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Speaker 17: his face today.

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Speaker 2: It's quite a bizarre one. Okay, Now, what do you

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Speaker 2: think of these fine dodgers having their wheels clowned?

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Speaker 17: Well, it's fascinating, isn't it. Court bailiffs, they're going to

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Speaker 17: be trialing hand held devices that can scan number plates

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Speaker 17: on parked cars and see if they've got any fines

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Speaker 17: or outstanding or any reparations. If there is a match,

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Speaker 17: then the vehicle could be clamped in toad. And I

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Speaker 17: don't know whether you heard Paul Goldsmith on with Homes

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Speaker 17: with the Homes he goodness, gracious man with hosking this

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Speaker 17: morning and him saying, look, there's too many people dodging

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Speaker 17: their fines. Apparently up to one hundred million dollars is outstanding,

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Speaker 17: and you'd have to say, okay, if they're not paying

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Speaker 17: their fines, they should be doing so or making an

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Speaker 17: attempt to at least. Well, the long arm of the

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Speaker 17: law is going to be right on and apparently during

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Speaker 17: breath testing checkpoints this weekend, that new technology will be

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Speaker 17: deployed as well. So if you are pulled up at

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Speaker 17: a by a booze bus, even if you're under the limit,

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Speaker 17: just beware if you've got any fines outstanding, then you

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Speaker 17: could end up being clamped. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, now this is not just for you didn't pay

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Speaker 2: your you know, you went and parked on Polsby Road

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Speaker 2: and got a fine and you haven't paid that yet.

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Speaker 2: This is properly like you've been through the courts on

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Speaker 2: this right. You are, this is this is you are,

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Speaker 2: by the stage a reasonably serious offender if they're going

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Speaker 2: to claim the car.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, but although you know, fines tend to add on

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Speaker 17: to each other, don't they If you're not if you're

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Speaker 17: not paying them, then they go through the courts and

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Speaker 17: you know, penalties are added on and you know you

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Speaker 17: can end up owing a hell of a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: Has Luxel been swearing again?

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Speaker 17: No, he hasn't. But I just coming to the end

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Speaker 17: of the week, I think it's hilarious because there's more

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Speaker 17: stuff coming out about what Adrian or was up to,

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Speaker 17: and I can guarantee frickin wasn't a word that he used.

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Speaker 17: It would be the real version of that word. But

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Speaker 17: Chris Luxon that he just has shown this week just

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Speaker 17: how much pressure he's been under, because not only did

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Speaker 17: he use the word frickin' when it came to Chris Hipkins,

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Speaker 17: he's called him a smart ass. And for certainly for

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Speaker 17: Chris Luxon, that's pretty unusual. He's normally a very mild

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Speaker 17: mannered and well spoken individual. But on this occasion, obviously

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Speaker 17: Hipkins has got under his skin. But interesting, the Reserve

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Speaker 17: Bank stuff that's coming out, I can't see there's this

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Speaker 17: so much in this. So Neil Quigley said that Adrian

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Speaker 17: or left of his own volition and no doubt with

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Speaker 17: a few frickins on the way he walked out the door.

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Speaker 5: And I'm sure he was.

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Speaker 17: Annoyed that the government wasn't prepared to stump up with

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Speaker 17: the money that he believed the Reserve Bank should have

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Speaker 17: been funded through the next few years.

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Speaker 2: That was a wild seguey, wasn't it? Okay? So are

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Speaker 2: you saying to me that you think nothing to see

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Speaker 2: here with the Adrian all thing. And basically, even though that,

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Speaker 2: even though his resignation may in fact have been prompted

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Speaker 2: by some serious and long standing concerns about his behavior

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Speaker 2: and when it was put to him that there was

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Speaker 2: some serious and long standing concerns about his he quit

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Speaker 2: that it's okay that nobody knew that and we were

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Speaker 2: just told he quit because.

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Speaker 17: Said that he left of his own volition. I think

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Speaker 17: that's what people are saying. Well, he in fact, you know,

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Speaker 17: anybody who leaves a job like that under these circumstances,

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Speaker 17: they do it for themselves. They're not He wasn't sacked.

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Speaker 17: I don't think Neil Quigley has ever suggested that. Do

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Speaker 17: you know that?

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Speaker 2: Does it take a rocket scientist to read between the

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Speaker 2: lines that if he hadn't resigned, there was a chance

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Speaker 2: he was going to be sacked. Barry, he was presented

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Speaker 2: with a list of concrete allegations against him by about

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Speaker 2: his behavior. Apparently.

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Speaker 17: Look, I've talked to people, a lot of people around

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Speaker 17: this particular issue, and the general consensus is that Adrian

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Speaker 17: or was not an easy person to work with. And

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Speaker 17: you know, it was pretty explosive and that was about

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Speaker 17: that was about it.

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Speaker 14: That.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, okay, you say, if he didn't walk, he could

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Speaker 17: have been pushed. Nobody really knows that, do they.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Barry, Well, that's why we ask the questions. Barry,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much. We'll wrap the political week that

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Speaker 2: was the quarter pas Sis. It's Barry Sober, senior political

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Speaker 2: correspondent eight away from five, putting.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 6: How about that week in Butterray and is it any cheaper? No,

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Speaker 6: it is not.

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Speaker 18: In the midst of all of it was the Finance

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Speaker 18: Minister Nikola Willis, who as well as you looked like

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Speaker 18: you had a newsy.

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Speaker 6: In your handbag and you're going to gun them down.

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Speaker 18: If there wasn't a good explanation, then you came out

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Speaker 18: went international markets.

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Speaker 7: No, not at all.

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Speaker 3: I was very clear that commodity prices internationally are the

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Speaker 3: major driver. But that also I was interested in how

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Speaker 3: Fonterra in the supermarkets divide the costs and the margin.

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Speaker 6: But you know that you know how they do it

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Speaker 6: because you worked for Fontira.

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Speaker 3: I worked for Fontira nine years ago. I never we

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Speaker 3: was branded part of the business.

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Speaker 17: Back Monday from six am, the mic asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 17: Bayley's real Estate Newstalk.

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Speaker 2: Z B either A friend of mine used to work

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Speaker 2: at the Reserve Bank and they were telling me that

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Speaker 2: Adrian or used to sign off his emails to staff

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Speaker 2: with chure. Somehow, that doesn't surprise me, because do you

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Speaker 2: remember the other day when he was when he was

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Speaker 2: in Taupo and he was wearing his bogan outfit.

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Speaker 15: Is that a firable offense. I'm just going to go

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Speaker 15: quickly check some late.

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Speaker 2: And has been sending it out. There was a side

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Speaker 2: of Adrian all that was actually quite relaxed, which may

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Speaker 2: actually be well. I mean, if you can be relaxed

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Speaker 2: and angry at the same time.

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Speaker 15: That I mean, I mean, I don't think I complain

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Speaker 15: if someone said to me at a meeting, I mean

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Speaker 15: you no, I don't think they'd be agreeing with that.

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Speaker 2: I think that was that was that was giving us

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Speaker 2: a different perspective on Adrian, the myth, the man, the myth,

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Speaker 2: the legend, that he actually could just be a normal

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Speaker 2: human being. Heither love your show. Quick question, are you

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Speaker 2: a key we? What makes a key we? This is

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Speaker 2: a good question, and has told me to stop discussing

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Speaker 2: this immediately. He's terrified of BSA complaints about this. So

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Speaker 2: I'm going to come across like some kind of a

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Speaker 2: nativist or some like a migrant hater. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what makes a kei we. I've pondered this a lot

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Speaker 2: actually over the years. I'll tell you what isn't a

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Speaker 2: key We is Peter Teel because he's a news he's

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Speaker 2: got a New Zealand passport. But he's basically an American

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Speaker 2: who lives here, like some of the time he doesn't

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Speaker 2: even live here, so he's got a house. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: make him a Kiwi. I don't know. Somebody said, so

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Speaker 2: you have to be here five generations, which I think

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Speaker 2: is taking them. But I don't know is a keyw

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Speaker 2: Is it maybe the child of a migrant who speaks

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Speaker 2: like a Kiwi and has grown up here their whole life.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. Tell me Answers told

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Speaker 2: me not to give my thoughts on this any further anyway, Epstein.

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Speaker 2: The latest overnight, as you heard, is that Gallaine Maxwell

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Speaker 2: has talked to the Justice officials right and is going

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Speaker 2: to talk a second time. But there is a very

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Speaker 2: interesting timeline on CNN which I think is the most

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Speaker 2: interesting thing that's come out today. It shows that everything

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Speaker 2: changed in May. Up to that point, Donald Trump had

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Speaker 2: been reasonably confident that they were going to release the files,

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Speaker 2: and all his little henchmen were really confident they were

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Speaker 2: going to release the files. But in May they start

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Speaker 2: talking it down and playing it down, and they don't

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Speaker 2: want to release it. What happened in May? In May

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Speaker 2: we now know Donald Trump was told that he is

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Speaker 2: in the files. For example, April twenty two, he says

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Speaker 2: in the Oval office about the files, he says, he's

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent all of these documents are going to

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Speaker 2: be delivered. That's April twenty two. In May, stops talking

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Speaker 2: about it, starts asking why we're interested in it, blah

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Speaker 2: blah blah. Anyway, we're going to talk about it a

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Speaker 2: little bit more. But next up GPS they're going to

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Speaker 2: have their funding change. Doesn't mean we get in faster.

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Speaker 2: Let's find out news talks, d.

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Speaker 1: Be questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Heather Dupasy on Drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand, let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 7: That'd be.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. We've got some good news finally for GPS. Their

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Speaker 2: funding is being shaken up. They've previously been funded for

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Speaker 2: their patients age and sex, but now that will also

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Speaker 2: include underlying health conditions and deprivation. Doctor Samantha Merson is

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Speaker 2: the president of the Royal New Zealand College of General

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Speaker 2: practitionersm with us high Samantha, Hi, how are you well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? Is this going to reduce wait times for GPS?

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Speaker 19: The the package as a whole will help us to

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Speaker 19: reduce wait times and the reason being that not only

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Speaker 19: is there the more funding for capitation and for people

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Speaker 19: that have higher needs, but also there's more funding for

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Speaker 19: our trainees so that we can get more through. So

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Speaker 19: both of those packages will help us.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So it's not because the fear initially was that

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Speaker 2: there was going to be the same same, same pot

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Speaker 2: of money that's just split up slightly differently. But actually

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Speaker 2: know there is more money is.

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Speaker 19: There that's well, we believe that what will happen is

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Speaker 19: that it comes in in twenty twenty six. I can't

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Speaker 19: imagine that they're going to cut down our capitation as

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Speaker 19: a whole so that some practices will. We can't have

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Speaker 19: practices losing money, so therefore practices that will. We would

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Speaker 19: hope that it would stay level for everybody. But there

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Speaker 19: are those patients that are either high needs with home

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Speaker 19: will bidity, like lots of conditional health conditions in deprivation

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Speaker 19: areas or in rural areas will get more funding.

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Speaker 2: So is it fair to say that if your GP

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Speaker 2: is in a nice part of town, you're probably not

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Speaker 2: going to see much change, But if you are in

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Speaker 2: a more deprived, poorer part of town, or in a

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Speaker 2: rural part of town, you're more likely to see there'll

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Speaker 2: be more funding there.

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Speaker 19: Yeah. And it is about patients. It's about the patients

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Speaker 19: who need it. And I think what we don't recognize

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Speaker 19: is that people who are in deprived areas do need

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Speaker 19: more care. And if the fundings are saying with someone

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Speaker 19: who doesn't need the extra then the GP services struggle

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Speaker 19: to make sure that they're putting that extra care in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Now you have a target. There is a

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Speaker 2: target of GP practice is seeing eighty percent of patients

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Speaker 2: within the week, which I think Kickson mid next year.

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Speaker 2: Is that doable?

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Speaker 19: I think it could be doable. There's things like infrastructure

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Speaker 19: change as far as how you set up your patient

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Speaker 19: acute appointments and how you run your clinics and how

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Speaker 19: you look after the patients that you're looking after. Normally, anyway,

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Speaker 19: we wouldn't want that to be the only way that

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Speaker 19: you could get in that it has to be within

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Speaker 19: the week. We want people to still have choice. So

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Speaker 19: if you rang up and said, oh, look I'm away

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Speaker 19: in a week's time, can I see you in two

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Speaker 19: weeks time, that should still be allowed. You should be

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Speaker 19: able to see them the next day. So there should

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Speaker 19: be choice. But also we should be able to say, well, actually,

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Speaker 19: if you've got a high need or urgent requirement, that

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Speaker 19: you would absolutely be seeing within a week.

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Speaker 2: Right, Samantha, Thanks very much, doctor Samantha Merton. Presidents of

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Speaker 2: the Royal New Zealand College of GPS. Ever do for

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Speaker 2: ellens to Gaza and Australia's Prime Minister Anthony Albaneze has

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Speaker 2: released a statement condemning Israel for starving the children of Gaza,

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Speaker 2: in language that is much stronger than the statement that

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Speaker 2: New Zealand signed earlier this week. Unfortunately, ceaes Fine negotiations

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Speaker 2: have again collapsed. Now former Prime Minister and former head

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Speaker 2: of the UN Development Agency Helen Clark is with us, Hi, Helen, Hi, Heather,

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Speaker 2: is there any chance that we can end this before

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Speaker 2: those children die or other children going to die?

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Speaker 18: Children are now dying every day, and do you look

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Speaker 18: at those absolutely shocking, shocking images of the children. These

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Speaker 18: children are going to have permanent damage to their development,

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Speaker 18: even their mental development, if they live at all, the

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Speaker 18: ones who are so emaciated and staffed. Let's remember that

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Speaker 18: starvation of a civilian population is a war crime and

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Speaker 18: people will be held accountable for this. But of course

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Speaker 18: people are dying while they are getting away with the

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Speaker 18: use of starvation as a war crime. So it is

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Speaker 18: really desperately urgent that the gates are opened for the

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Speaker 18: flow of aid which is sitting at the border with

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Speaker 18: the many UN agencies from UNICEF to the Whos and

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Speaker 18: many to get it to the people. And that's just

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Speaker 18: not being allowed.

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Speaker 2: Is the world doing all it can?

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Speaker 19: No, not can.

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Speaker 18: So the US could change this. The US could say

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Speaker 18: to NTNYA, who just stopped, We're not going to put

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Speaker 18: up with people being staffed to death. It hasn't done that.

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Speaker 18: I think the meeting that's supposed to occur was online

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Speaker 18: between the UK, French and German leaders tomorrow will be

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Speaker 18: very important. They need to be speaking with one voice

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Speaker 18: to Washington, d C. To stop it and to pledge

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Speaker 18: all efforts that they can make to support the humanitarian effort,

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Speaker 18: but until the US puts pressure on Israel, nothing is

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Speaker 18: going to change.

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Speaker 2: And can we as a world put pressure on.

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Speaker 18: Trump, Yes, we can, and New Zealand really does need

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Speaker 18: to come up much more strongly. You may have noticed

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Speaker 18: today that the President of France has announced that they

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Speaker 18: are recognizing the state of Palestine. New Zealand should be following.

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Speaker 18: This is a very important signal that we want an

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Speaker 18: end to the ongoing cycles of conflict and disaster. We

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Speaker 18: want the Palestinians to have their state, as agreed with

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Speaker 18: you all those years ago in the Oslo Accords, that

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Speaker 18: this has to stop, and New Zealand's voice needs to

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Speaker 18: be a lot louder.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think, Helen. I mean, you've been

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Speaker 2: around a long time, You've watched a lot of stuff

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Speaker 2: happen in the world. Do you see this ending anytime

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Speaker 2: soon or unfortunately not?

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Speaker 18: I think the critical thing now is for those three

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Speaker 18: major European leaders to be on the phone to Trump

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Speaker 18: after their meeting tomorrow, to say stop it. We're poised

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Speaker 18: to throw everything at resolving this situation, but stop the siege.

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Speaker 18: It is a siege. Civilian populations are being starved as

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Speaker 18: a deliberate policy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Helen, thanks very much appreciated. Helen Clark, former Prime Minister.

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Speaker 1: For ever do for see Ellen's Yeah, there's some.

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Speaker 2: Interesting things happening in Israel, actually, some pretty wild stuff happening.

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Speaker 2: So I'll rang you through it later on, just give

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Speaker 2: you a bit of a break after that. It's pretty intense. Westpac.

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Speaker 2: Now west Pac has just cut it's the latest bank

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Speaker 2: to cut the forecast for what happens with our house

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Speaker 2: prices this year. So it was thinking that it was

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Speaker 2: going to go they were going to go up six percent.

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Speaker 2: They're now saying that they've dropped that down to four percent.

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Speaker 2: They're not the only bank doing it, you'll have I

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Speaker 2: think Benz was the first to do it. A and

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Speaker 2: Z have done it as well. And if you've wandered

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Speaker 2: and fortunately next year you're looking apparently at a six

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Speaker 2: percent increase of four percent this year, six percent next year,

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Speaker 2: so it starts to pack up. But it's got like

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Speaker 2: in order to pack up, it's got a fair bit

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Speaker 2: to do, ah, because do you know how much house

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Speaker 2: prices have gone up in the last six months? One percent,

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Speaker 2: So that's what you're seeing fourteen past five, seventeen past

870
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Speaker 2: five sad news obviously with the passing of Hulk Hogan.

871
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Speaker 2: He passed away from a heart attack at seventy one

872
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: years old. His real name is Terry Bollier. He became

873
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: the face of the WWF with Hulkamania sweeping across the

874
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: US in the nineteen eighties. Now Sharon Maser is a

875
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Speaker 2: professor of theater and performance studies at aut who literally

876
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: wrote the book on professional wrestling and is with us. Hi, Sharon, Hello,

877
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: how are you. I'm very well. Thank you. I can't

878
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: tell if you're excited to be on the radio or

879
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 2: sad about Hulk Hogan.

880
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Speaker 11: I'm mostly amused and having flashbacks at the theme song.

881
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: Ah you, it was a good time. Did you ever

882
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 2: see him, riscle?

883
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 11: Oh? Yes, I used to go when I started this research,

884
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 11: almost forty years ago. I hate to admit when I

885
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 11: first wandered into Madison Square Garden for the first matches, Yes,

886
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 11: Alkogan was the top of the card often.

887
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And is it true that he would stay behind,

888
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: he'd do his fight, he'd be the superstar. He'd stay

889
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: behind and he'd pack up the chairs.

890
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 11: Well, he didn't pack up the chairs, but he'd be

891
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 11: in the center of the squared circle, still posing for

892
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 11: whatever kids were left, as the garden itself was getting

893
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 11: itself ready for other things, packing up the chairs as

894
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 11: fast as they could. I mean, madisons were growing very busy.

895
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Speaker 14: You know.

896
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 11: Basically you sneeze, they got right, you're over and have

897
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 11: you out and the next thing in. But he'd be

898
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 11: posing and signing shirts and entertaining into the last little

899
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 11: kid had left. It was quite extraordinary.

900
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: Was he the biggest star in recently?

901
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 11: I think for a time yes?

902
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: And now who else is even comparable over the time period?

903
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 11: Well, I think they were all superstars in their own way.

904
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 11: He wasn't the best wrestler, but he was the golden boy.

905
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 11: He was the one in the bright light at the

906
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 11: end of the night and generally the victor unless he

907
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 11: was the poor but draggal cheated upon and and you

908
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 11: know who had been robbed of his belt. You know,

909
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 11: he was the golden boy in the spotlight.

910
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, when he won.

911
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 11: At whichever WrestleMania was I watched, I couldn't get a ticket.

912
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 11: I was too late to get a ticket. I watched

913
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Speaker 11: at the Beacon Theater on a closed circuit television. You know,

914
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 11: back in the days before. We have all these fancy

915
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 11: things now, But back in the day, you could go

916
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 11: into the Beacon Theater in the Upper West Side and

917
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Speaker 11: watch it on a screen. And I watched russ Mania,

918
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 11: and when he won, the crowd went wild and was

919
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 11: taking pictures of the screen with their little flash cameras.

920
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 11: The end of the eighties, so you couldn't see the

921
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 11: screen any longer. I mean, I just wiped out the screen.

922
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 11: The fans were so excited.

923
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: Why did you say he wasn't a very good wrestler

924
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 2: or wasn't the best.

925
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 11: Well, he was stiff. He had a number of moves

926
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 11: that he could do, but he wasn't a great elegant wrestler.

927
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 11: He had his signature moves. He was best at working

928
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 11: in the audience, and he did that really, really well.

929
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you know that he was He got baptized

930
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago.

931
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Speaker 11: Wouldn't surprise me?

932
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't I surprise you? Because that seems so out

933
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: of step with somebody whose whole persona is this you know,

934
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 2: aggressive wrestling character, pumped up on steroids.

935
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Speaker 11: Yeah, but he was mister Virtue. He was you know,

936
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 11: the you know, whole cam maniacs. Take your vitamins, follow

937
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 11: the amendments. I mean it was the kind of fervor

938
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Speaker 11: that you would associate also with you know, I don't

939
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Speaker 11: know the Power Team, who are bodybuilders of Jesus at

940
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Speaker 11: the same time, and you know, big evangelical kinds of movements.

941
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Speaker 11: He was the same, big tent kind of performers. So

942
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Speaker 11: it doesn't surprise me.

943
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Speaker 2: Okay, Hey, Sharon, thank you. That's fascinating. Sharon Maser, Professor

944
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: of Theater and Performance Studies at aut Listen, do we

945
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: need to talk about this business of the passport because

946
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 2: I'm getting a lot of text like hither. If you

947
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Speaker 2: don't think moving out heat or to below New Zealand

948
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 2: on the passport matters, you're completely out of touch. Most

949
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: of us would want it removed completely well count it. Okay, okay,

950
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: you asked for it. You sent me a lot of

951
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: texts on it. So we're going to talk about an expert. Firstly,

952
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: to talk about Epstein five twenty.

953
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Speaker 1: One informed inside into today's issues. It's hither duplicy Ellen

954
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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected. News talks

955
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Speaker 1: had been.

956
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 2: Hey, news just out Ruby Tooey has been left out

957
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: of the Black Fern. So we have a chat to

958
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: the Sports title when they're with us shortly on that.

959
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 2: Right now, it's five twenty four. Listen, I hat to

960
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: say this, but I am joining the Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theorists,

961
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: or at least I'm kind of joining, like on the

962
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: fringe of this thing, because I am now convinced, are

963
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: you not, that Donald Trump does not want to release

964
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: the Epstein files because he's in them and it's embarrassing

965
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: to him or something, and there is no other reason

966
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: why he doesn't want to release them. I mean, that's

967
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: pretty clear from the timeline that I was telling you

968
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: about before, right that he was sounding really confident about

969
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: releasing them all the way through to late April. But

970
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: then come May, when he finds out the extent of

971
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 2: his involvement in the files, suddenly he goes quiet on

972
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: the files, and all his lieutenants start playing down the

973
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: files as well. Everyone, including serious commentators, are now saying

974
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: that the Justice officials are going to strike a deal

975
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 2: with Gilaine Maxwell when they finished talking to her overnight.

976
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: And remember she's been basically dead to the world up

977
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: to now. But suddenly, when there's trouble over Epstein talking

978
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 2: to her again. The theory goes that she gets out

979
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 2: of jail I early, either because she gives them new

980
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: names to prosecute, or, more likely, she promises to say

981
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: publicly that Trump committed no crimes and there's nothing to

982
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: see here. What kind of a strategy is that No

983
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: one's going to believe that? Who's going to believe Gallaine Maxwell,

984
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 2: when she pumped bipe seven, says, I know Donald Trump

985
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 2: was innocent, nothing to see here, or but by the way,

986
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: he's letting me out of jail early, come off it.

987
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: The only way for Trump to get out of this

988
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: is for him to release the files now, isn't it,

989
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: which is the very thing he said at the start

990
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: that he would do. I don't even think that waiting

991
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: it out is going to work. Normally that would work.

992
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: But if there's one thing we know from our favorite

993
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: conspiracy theorists in our families, it's that they do not

994
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: get bored of their favorite conspiracy theories. They spend a

995
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: lot of time, a lot of time trying to prove

996
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: that they were right after all, which is why, for example,

997
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: we're still talking about JFK's assassination sixty two years later,

998
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 2: we are in week three of this. Now Trump can

999
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: let it drag on if he wants to. But the

1000
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: longer that this goes on without him releasing the files,

1001
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: the more it looks like the files are embarrassing or

1002
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: worse for Donald Trump himself, and the more that normally

1003
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: rational people, and I would like to consider myself one

1004
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: of them, start to wonder just how much the conspiracy

1005
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: theories theorists have actually got right here, Heather duper Cil

1006
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 2: the way on the actual legals of this. US Defense

1007
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: Attorney Randy Zellen is with us after six to talk

1008
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: us through that. Okay, Heather, why is it the bizarre

1009
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: that English is the preferred language on our passports and

1010
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: so on and so on? Okay, I I am. I

1011
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 2: am not impressed. I'm not impressed by Brook van Velden

1012
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 2: doing this today, saying we're gonna put We're gonna switch

1013
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 2: it around, and English is gonna go first. Why is

1014
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 2: this even a thing? This is silly, This is childish, right,

1015
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: this is this is so unbelievably childish, because what this

1016
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 2: is is, which if these two languages are more important

1017
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: than each other, who's more important, who's more special? Is

1018
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: it indigenous people or is it the other people? Is

1019
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 2: it the immigrants? That is a silly argument to be having, right,

1020
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 2: And look, I'm not picking sides in who I blame here.

1021
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 2: I blame both sides for this. I'm disappointed in both sides.

1022
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 2: I'm disappointed in the likes of Winston Peters jumps up

1023
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: in the house and says, oh, you can't say the

1024
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: word out here at all in the house because the

1025
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 2: name of the country is New Zealand. Wouldn't come on today.

1026
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: A maria is said is an official language, It's allowed

1027
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: to be spoken in the house, and using the word

1028
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: out heat or for the name of the country is

1029
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: perfectly reasonable. We all understand what's going on there. But

1030
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: I also blame I also blame the other side, right,

1031
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: I blame the side that thinks we have to have

1032
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: a Maori and an English name for every single government

1033
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: department and we have to say both of them at

1034
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: the same time. Like if you go to another country,

1035
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 2: they don't force you to do that because they're actually

1036
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: grown up about languages. So yeah, I'm not stoked about this.

1037
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: I just I feel like it's incredibly childish and I'm

1038
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 2: disappointed that we it's come to this because what do

1039
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: you think is going to happen next? Next? Woe clot

1040
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 2: we get in is just going to switch it around?

1041
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 2: And what we can keep doing this for the rest

1042
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 2: of time? Are we use us next?

1043
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

1044
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: drive home, it's hither duplicy ellan drive with one New

1045
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news dogs.

1046
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 10: That'd be.

1047
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 2: Apparently happy news for TV and TVs. It has managed

1048
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: to secure the rights to the fee FIR World Cup

1049
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 2: next year, which is the biggest sporting event on the planet.

1050
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: And apparently this is according to Shane Curry's column. He

1051
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: writes a fantastic column in The Herald. If you don't

1052
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: read it, it's called Media Insider And apparently, let me

1053
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: quote anyone who thought that Sky's firesale purchase of TV

1054
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: three this week would create a broadcasting monster capable of

1055
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: blowing TV ins int and other rivals out of the water.

1056
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 2: Has not factored in the digital investment which allows media

1057
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: firm six. But basically what he's saying is anyone who

1058
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Speaker 2: thought that is wrong, and that would be me. Anyway,

1059
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 2: we'll talk to the sports tittle about it shortly it's

1060
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: twenty four away from six right now. Now, let's have

1061
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 2: a chat about alcohol. Supermarkets and bottle shops are under

1062
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 2: fire for selling high strength bears. Now these days you

1063
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: can find beers on the shell that actually go up

1064
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: to past sixteen percent alcohol by volume. A group called

1065
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: Communities Against Alcohol Harm have called on the government to

1066
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: ban those high strength beers from sale sale. Dylan Firth

1067
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: is the executive director of the Brewers Association and with

1068
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: us Hi, Dylan, yeah, high here for how you going?

1069
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 2: I'm well, thank you? Is there a problem here or

1070
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 2: nothing to see?

1071
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 13: No, I don't think banning something is kind of a

1072
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 13: bit of a jump in this instances. You know, we

1073
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 13: look at the kind of stronger beer sector and we

1074
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 13: see the volumes that are actually be sold compared to

1075
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 13: you know, most beer in New Zealand, and it is

1076
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 13: a really small proportion. You know, actually strong beers is

1077
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 13: over five percent, so you know, some of the lower

1078
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 13: stuff and there quite a lot of craft as well

1079
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 13: can be up to you know, ten eleven percent. So

1080
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 13: you know, banning something really removes a whole lot of

1081
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 13: different variety in what consumers have as choice. There's a

1082
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Speaker 13: number of other products as strong such as you know,

1083
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 13: spirits and wine as well that you get that are

1084
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 13: readily available. So I think it's a bit of a jump.

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00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 13: But you know, we also have acknowledged that these individual

1086
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Speaker 13: licenses go through the licensing process. You know, there's conditions

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00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 13: and be put on them. There are other means to

1088
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 13: kind of address some of the issues if there are

1089
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 13: concerns about specific areas.

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Speaker 2: Tell me how much does one of these strong beers cost?

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00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 13: Oh, look, it really depends on the products. There's loads

1092
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Speaker 13: of different stuff. You know, if you're looking at a

1093
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 13: like a nine percent stout from a craft brewer, it

1094
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 13: could be anywhere from ten to fifteen dollars. There's a

1095
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 13: cheaper beers that are available, you know, seven, eight, nine dollars,

1096
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 13: but not for those really strong ones. I wouldn't be

1097
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 13: that low.

1098
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 2: Ad I mean because still in part of their argument

1099
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,479
Speaker 2: is that what they're worried about is young people going

1100
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: and buying a couple of these beers and getting absolutely smashed.

1101
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 2: But that doesn't make any sense to me because a

1102
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 2: bottle of wine is quite a bit stronger than these beers,

1103
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: and you can buy a bottle of wine for about

1104
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: fifteen bucks, So you know, you might if you outlaw

1105
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 2: these beers, kids just going to do the wine instead,

1106
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 2: aren't they.

1107
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 13: Well, I think, you know, you've got to look at

1108
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 13: it reality. You know, how many people are actually just

1109
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 13: looking specifically for this Bankford buck type thing. And I

1110
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 13: don't think it's a huge amount. You know, there might

1111
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 13: be some people out there. It has the drinking behaviors,

1112
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 13: and you know, overall we are seeing that decline easy

1113
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 13: on the hazard of drinking. Volumes that are measured by

1114
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 13: a Ministry of Health are at their lowest ever level,

1115
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 13: you know, and so and also overall alcohol consumption has

1116
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 13: been declining, you know, by thirty thirty percent in the

1117
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 13: last thirty years. So, like you know, trends that are changing.

1118
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 13: You know, if you're pointing out one individual thing, well

1119
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 13: you can, as I said, you know, looking at the

1120
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Speaker 13: licensing opportunities, you can really address it specifically in there.

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Speaker 2: Why is it that some beers end up so strong?

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00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 13: Oh, look, I mean it's people look for different things.

1123
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 13: Some people enjoy it two and a half percent beer,

1124
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 13: some people look for a sixss in beer. There's quite

1125
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 13: a big flavor profile and alcohol itself. Yeah, so that

1126
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 13: actually changes things. You know, there's different styles that go

1127
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 13: better with a stronger flavor. West Coast i pas are

1128
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 13: particularly strong style. Some of there's some heartier double I

1129
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 13: pas things like that. So you know, it depends on it.

1130
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 13: You know, that's the whole thing about having choice and options,

1131
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,479
Speaker 13: and if we're trying to reduce harm, I think there's

1132
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 13: definitely other ways.

1133
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 5: To tackle it.

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Speaker 2: Good on you, Dylan, Thanks very much, Dylan, First Brewers

1135
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Speaker 2: Association executive Director. You know what can I love? I

1136
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 2: love a beer. It's definitely my favorite beer. And whiskey.

1137
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: Don't bring don't don't bring me near wine. I just

1138
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: I'm over it. I'll have like a nice glass of

1139
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 2: red wine with maybe a steak or something that would

1140
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,439
Speaker 2: really or whatever. But a beer. I love a beer,

1141
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 2: but I have had my fill of Kraft beer if

1142
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 2: I'm if I'm honest with you, like occasionally I mean man,

1143
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 2: but nah, not really. And my brother loves a loves

1144
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: loves He's tacky as he's basic. He loves a corona.

1145
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 2: That's what he'll go or go buy a twenty four

1146
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 2: pack of corona and then I'll do one of those

1147
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: stupid vortexes, you know, like he's like that kind of

1148
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 2: a kid anyway, so father of three. So anyway, he's

1149
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: got me onto the coronas now. So if you like,

1150
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 2: because here's the thing, like being boozed is not that

1151
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 2: fun actually, and so when you go out, unless you're

1152
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 2: like setting out to be a bit boost, if you

1153
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 2: go out for a lunch and stuff, a Kraft beer

1154
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 2: can be a little bit tiring. Can't do you have

1155
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: a craft beer and then next minute you're like, oh,

1156
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I need a nap, and you can't have

1157
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 2: a nap because you've got children. So what you want

1158
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 2: to do is you just want to have a nice

1159
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: little corona, don't you Just a little nip, just just

1160
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: that it's just a tidy little drink that is going

1161
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 2: to be You can say I had a nice beer,

1162
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: it was enjoyable, thank you, but I'm not on my

1163
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: butt now. So anyway, that's a piece of advice to

1164
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 2: anybody going out and buying a twelve percenter. You don't

1165
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 2: need it. Twenty Away from six.

1166
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1167
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Speaker 12: Thanks on for Bark Cup with Zone Oh for the Warriors.

1169
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Speaker 10: Usik Parker would now be worthy of a stadium in

1170
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 10: the UK and it would be a global television it ends.

1171
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Speaker 10: I don't think it's as credible for Usip to go

1172
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Speaker 10: and fight guys.

1173
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Speaker 16: He's already beaten.

1174
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 8: What's important to rugby our values around inclusion, our values

1175
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 8: around the game for all shapes and sizes.

1176
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 2: On the huddle. With that the sports title this evening,

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00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 2: Clay Wilson News Talks, they'd be sports news director and

1178
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 2: Paul Allison News Talks he'd be rugby commentator. Hello lads, whatever, Paul,

1179
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 2: why's Ruby two? We've been left out? Or she just

1180
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 2: not she hasn't got the form anymore.

1181
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 6: Well, she's more of a seven's player.

1182
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 20: I know that she was in the New Zealand team

1183
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 20: that won the World the World Cup back in twenty

1184
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 20: twenty one. She's only played ten test matches and she

1185
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 20: is a real public favorite in terms of a personality.

1186
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 20: She's got some skills. I don't think it was a

1187
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 20: major surprise when she was left out because she was

1188
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 20: left out of the recent series against Australia, and then

1189
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 20: she did finally come back and scored a couple of tries,

1190
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 20: probably put herself.

1191
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 6: Back in contention.

1192
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 20: But you've only got so many spots in the fact

1193
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 20: that she's I know it's young compared to me, but

1194
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 20: old compared to some rugby player. She is now thirty three,

1195
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 20: and it's a young person's game. I think it's not

1196
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,919
Speaker 20: really a surprise for me to see that she's not there.

1197
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, not surprising at all.

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Speaker 5: Player.

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Speaker 2: I mean we were expecting this, weren't we.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I think so on you have to look at

1201
00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 16: some of the names that have come in since that

1202
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 16: twenty one World Cup. He looks at like the Caitlin

1203
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 16: Baracolo has been just brilliant since she's coming to that

1204
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 16: Black Fans set up, and youngsters likes Brexton Soorrenson McGhee

1205
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 16: who was one of the stars for the Blues and

1206
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 16: siber Rugby all picky this year, so just other you know,

1207
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 16: I guess younger kind of faces have come in and

1208
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 16: while someone of who has great experience has kind of

1209
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 16: been on the aid of this year. So I don't

1210
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 16: think a massive shock. But obviously someone with a massive

1211
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 16: public profile has done a lot of good around the country.

1212
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 16: But you know, the real ideas they want to win

1213
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 16: the World Cup and they want to pick the who

1214
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 16: they think of the best plays.

1215
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, now we're not surprised by Were you going to

1216
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: say something, Paul.

1217
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 6: No, no, listen, listen.

1218
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 20: Hev to listen to your beer choice as well.

1219
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: Heither I think I'm getting. You will not believe the

1220
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 2: number of techs I'm getting. Hither, did you know corona's

1221
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 2: made in China? Here the corona is now made in China.

1222
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 2: Here the corona's brewed in China. Here the corona's made

1223
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 2: in China. It's yang Se river water. What why do

1224
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: we care? Why do we care? Paul?

1225
00:56:58,880 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 6: Of it taste good?

1226
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 20: But there are some pretty good Southern brews down on

1227
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 20: this part of the country we're I'm.

1228
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 6: From, So, madam, go too far overseas. If you go

1229
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 6: too far overseas.

1230
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 2: Your guys beers, though, put me on the butt. They're

1231
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 2: quite quite a lot to take, aren't they.

1232
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 6: No, come on tough enough, They're not that bad at all.

1233
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 20: You know, we've got the Pride of the South, which

1234
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 20: has been around for the donkeys years, way back in

1235
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 20: the eighteen hundreds, is still one of the one of

1236
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 20: the more favorite public beers around.

1237
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 6: And I think it's only four percent.

1238
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: Oh there you go, well there, So for me, Okay, Clay, No,

1239
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 2: not at all surprised about Ruby twee. Are we surprised though,

1240
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 2: that TV and Z has got the fee for World Cup?

1241
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 16: Well, I mean, I guess you know, tv Z has

1242
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 16: been putting their head in the ring in terms of

1243
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 16: sport for a little while now, haven't they, in terms

1244
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 16: of chasing rights, And of course they kind of inadvertently

1245
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 16: initially picked up the rights via Spark for some of

1246
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 16: the stuff that Spark haad and that, you know, the

1247
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 16: cricket being one of them. And since that's happened that

1248
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 16: they've kind of dipped their and starting to put some

1249
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 16: money into the mix here. So I mean, obviously there's

1250
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 16: a lot going on with what's happened with Sky and

1251
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 16: TV three, but to see TV and Z, I know

1252
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 16: that they're really interested in trying to get more sport

1253
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 16: and add to that offering. So yeah, I think they're

1254
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 16: keen to do it, and if they can get it

1255
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 16: for the right price, then they're obviously going to have

1256
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 16: a crecktit.

1257
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you so? Paul I looked at that purchase

1258
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: of TV three by Sky and immediately thought, right, that's

1259
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 2: a TV Inz's out of the game now. Because we've

1260
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 2: got the free to air thing sorted. Was I was

1261
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 2: I being a bit hasty.

1262
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 20: Yeah, I think it's actually good from a public's point

1263
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 20: of view. You're going to have more competition. It's good

1264
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,439
Speaker 20: for Sky because they've obviously got another platform and being

1265
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 20: able to provide a free to air offering. But I

1266
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 20: think TV and Z will still compete, So I think

1267
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 20: it's good.

1268
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 6: You and me could have bought it for a dollar though,

1269
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 6: couldn't we.

1270
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's where it would end though.

1271
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 2: We would buy it for a dollar and then we go,

1272
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 2: now what do we do? No, bloody, Yes, that's so think.

1273
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 6: I think actually it's a good move. It's a good

1274
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 6: move for Sky.

1275
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 20: They've come out, they've they've been able to probably have

1276
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 20: some back room efficiencies as well, so they're not starting

1277
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 20: from scratch with this. They're able to provide different offerings,

1278
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 20: and TVNZ, as Play said, has actually become quite competitive

1279
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 20: in that space, taking over from Sparksport in some way.

1280
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 20: So I actually think it's good from a public point

1281
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 20: of view. We're going to have a very competitive situation,

1282
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 20: and I think also the sports codes that do benefit

1283
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 20: from some of these television rights will find that it's

1284
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 20: quite a competitive game.

1285
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 2: Happy days. Okay, We'll take a break, come back shortly

1286
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 2: quarter two.

1287
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Title with New Zealand, South of East

1288
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: International Real Scene the ones for Unmaxed Results.

1289
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 2: Fact of the Sports Title Clay Wilson Paul Allison Clay,

1290
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 2: is this USAK park a fight actually going to happen?

1291
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 16: I don't have great confidence if I'm want us with

1292
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 16: you heither. I mean, as much as we were all

1293
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 16: here in New Zealand love to see it. And the

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Speaker 16: thing is is that not just here in New Zealand,

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Speaker 16: but I think globally at least in the sport of boxing,

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Speaker 16: it's acknowledged by a lot of people that he kind

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Speaker 16: of deserves to be on merit. The next guy to

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Speaker 16: get a shot at USA can get a shot at

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Speaker 16: all these titles. But it's boxing heither, as with a

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Speaker 16: lot of sport, but especially fight sport, money tur And

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Speaker 16: you know the problem for Joseph is that while he's

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Speaker 16: his name has got bigger and bigger over the years.

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Speaker 16: You compare to the likes of as good Mate, Tyson Fury,

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Speaker 16: Anthony Joshua and now we've got in the mix these

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Speaker 16: influencer boxes, the poor brothers Jake Paul who's out there

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Speaker 16: boxing and there's talk about Usak fighting him. Is that

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Speaker 16: is Usk? He's maybe this might be his last fight

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Speaker 16: as next fight. Is he going to choose to fight

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Speaker 16: someone that deserves it the most and is going to

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Speaker 16: be the biggest challenge, or is he going to choose

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Speaker 16: to take their out, you know, the retirement option. Not

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Speaker 16: that he hasn't made a crap ton of money already,

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Speaker 16: but you know, to one final big paycheck and you

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Speaker 16: kind of feel like, even though it's been ordered by

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Speaker 16: one of these sanctioning bodies, that Usik might just give

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01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 16: up this belt. I really hope not. I would love

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Speaker 16: to see Joseph get his crack at Usak coming, given

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Speaker 16: his rise and what he's done, but I don't have

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Speaker 16: I mean, never say never, but I don't. I think

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Speaker 16: at this stage it's more likely to go in a

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Speaker 16: different direction for Usk and a fight.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. I thought if they were ordered, they were ordered. Now, Paul,

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Speaker 2: we have to give some credit to netbled New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: right because they've finally seen the light, haven't they.

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Speaker 20: Well, I think it's sported under siege to be honest either.

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Speaker 20: I mean, they've got a New Zealand Premiership competition which

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Speaker 20: is really in doubt going forward. I know they said

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Speaker 20: next year they're still going to be six teams and

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Speaker 20: ten games, but they haven't really got a lot of money.

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Speaker 20: The fact that you're going to get more of these

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Speaker 20: players going off shore potentially they've still got to work

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Speaker 20: out what this exclusion looks like or this dispensation that

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Speaker 20: they're going to have for their model to be able

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Speaker 20: to play overseas, and the fact that they're able to

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Speaker 20: New Zealand players are able to get more money overseas,

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Speaker 20: I think will be a major attraction for them. So

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Speaker 20: if they're not going to stay in New Zealand, they

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Speaker 20: can't get money from television rights to be able.

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Speaker 5: To pay the players.

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Speaker 20: You'll have more players going off shore, which means it

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Speaker 20: will be less local players staying here to have a

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Speaker 20: domestic competition, So it could water down the domestic competition.

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Speaker 20: Could be good for some of our top top line players.

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Speaker 20: But I'm surprised that donning you two. I mean they

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Speaker 20: put the line on the scene and said Grace and Wicket,

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Speaker 20: you're not available. You got gone off shore. Now they're

1347
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Speaker 20: saying well, if you go off shore, yes, we'll make

1348
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Speaker 20: some rules around it and we'll have some exceptions and

1349
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Speaker 20: will work out what that looks like. But I think

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Speaker 20: they've got some major problems nitball at the moment and

1351
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 20: will be interesting to see how all this plays out

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Speaker 20: over the next three to four months.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree, Clay. How do you save it?

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Speaker 2: Because it feels to me like the only way that

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Speaker 2: you can save it is if you join the Australian League.

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Speaker 2: But that don't want us, do they?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 16: And that's the challenges that come with that as well,

1359
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Speaker 16: is that you know you, I would say, nip all

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Speaker 16: Australia aren't probably that keen to share the broadcast money,

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Speaker 16: which is where the money comes from for these competitions

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Speaker 16: in terms of the sporting organizations themselves. Do you get

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Speaker 16: money out of that? I mean, I don't know, So

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Speaker 16: how does that all work? Maybe that's what Newborn New

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Speaker 16: Zealand are considering. But there's no doubt, as Paul says,

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Speaker 16: that they're in a precarious position compared to the once

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Speaker 16: kind of lofty position they held as the dominant female

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Speaker 16: sport in this country, and that other sports have kind

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Speaker 16: of caught up and maybe even you look at the

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Speaker 16: likes of rugby have even gone past sevens has obviously

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Speaker 16: been a big factor for women's sports. So yeah, I

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Speaker 16: think there's some real work to do. While I think

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Speaker 16: the eligibility thing had to come, what is it actually

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Speaker 16: going to look like? How many players are actually going

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01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 16: to go? You know, like I spoke to Emilia Andi Canazio.

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Speaker 16: They out going captain to the silver Ferns. She doesn't

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Speaker 16: know the criteria yet. Karen Berger spoke in christ which

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Speaker 16: a couple of days ago silver Ferns defend it. She

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01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 16: doesn't know the criteria. So you know, how clear is

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Speaker 16: it going to be, how many players are going to

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Speaker 16: be able to do it? I think there's still a

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01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 16: lot of water to go under the bridge. Not to

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01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 16: mention the no broadcasting or for next year and what

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Speaker 16: happens there? How much money do they get and what

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Speaker 16: can the players earn playing here versus playing and likes Australia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'd be heading off if I could. Guys,

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Speaker 2: let's brilliant to talk to the pair of you. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much, that is of course. Klai Wilson and

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Speaker 2: Paul Allison our sports tittle eight away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dup to See Alan Drive Full Show

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Speaker 1: podcast on my Art Radio powered by News Talk zeb.

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Speaker 2: Randy Zellen, us attorney who's been on the show quite

1393
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 2: a few times, actually is going to be with us

1394
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 2: after six o'clock, took us through the Epstein files and

1395
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 2: whether whether Gilaine Maxwell is going to strike a deal,

1396
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Speaker 2: because you do not have to be it's okay now

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01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 2: to think that Gilaine, you're not a conspiracy theorist. If

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Speaker 2: you say over dinner to night, if you go with

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Speaker 2: your friends tonight and you're like, by the way that

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Speaker 2: Gilaine Maxwell's going to strike They're going to strike a

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Speaker 2: deal with her, aren't they to shut her up? That's

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01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: not a kooky thing to say anymore. So he's going

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Speaker 2: to explain to us exactly how that will work. Do

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Speaker 2: you remember I top five away from six? Do you

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Speaker 2: remember I was telling you the other day about this

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Speaker 2: chap who'd faked a CV and he claimed that he had,

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Speaker 2: and then Nicole McKee had appointed him as like a

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Speaker 2: visiting justice something or other whatever, like one of those

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01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 2: roles that you didn't know existed and you wish you

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Speaker 2: weren't paying people to do it. He'd claimed that he

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Speaker 2: had a law degree from Yale when all he'd actually

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Speaker 2: done was a free online course during COVID, and he

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01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 2: claimed he was a diplomat, and he really wasn't a diplomat.

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Speaker 2: He'd organized some sort of like a random summer camp

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Speaker 2: vibe type thing. It's just the delusion was just wild. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: he has changed his mind now and he has decided

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Speaker 2: he's not going to quit from all of his roles.

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Speaker 2: One of his roles is to sit on some sort

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Speaker 2: of a local board in Auckland, and then he had

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Speaker 2: the visiting justice role. They have various other things going

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Speaker 2: on was JP as well. He's emailed the media outlet

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Speaker 2: that busted him and he said he would like to

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Speaker 2: retract his story about the fact that he was going

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Speaker 2: to resign from the roles because he's had such overwhelming

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01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 2: support from his community that he thinks he doesn't need

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Speaker 2: to resign. It can basically unresign now. And the editor

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Speaker 2: of the media outfit said, well, you can't really retract

1428
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Speaker 2: your comments about resigning because we've actually published the story

1429
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Speaker 2: and it's on the record now. We can't sort of

1430
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 2: like unpublish the story. So it's just that you can't

1431
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 2: retract that, but you can do another interview if you

1432
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 2: want to, to explain the support that you reckon you're getting,

1433
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 2: because it doesn't look on Facebook what you're getting his support.

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Speaker 2: And he didn't give an interview, to no surprise to anyone,

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01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 2: but he did give a statement, and now it looks

1436
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 2: again like he may well be quitting after all. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: The thing is, I don't really know who the man is,

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01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 2: and I'm not particularly fussed about the role. But do

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Speaker 2: you not find it fascinating? Because I find it absolutely

1440
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 2: fascinating that there are people out there who just make

1441
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 2: up stories, like really wild stories, Like it's a wild

1442
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 2: thing to claim that you got a law degree from

1443
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 2: Yale when all you did was what looks like maybe

1444
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 2: a week long course on a week long online course

1445
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 2: on COVID.

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Speaker 21: And there is a part of me that it kind

1447
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 21: of slightly admires how how confident you have to be

1448
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Speaker 21: to do that, Like that's quite a ballsy thing to do,

1449
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Speaker 21: isn't it to be like, yeah, I got a lad agree,

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Speaker 21: did you know?

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Speaker 2: But I'm saying it and you put it on your

1452
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 2: CV and then you're like, you get all these public

1453
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 2: facing jobs anyway. I mean, you know, like I don't

1454
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 2: want to hire them, but you know, all power to

1455
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 2: them because that was That was a stunt, wasn't it anyway?

1456
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Speaker 2: Randy Zellen?

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Speaker 6: Next, Oh, I.

1458
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Speaker 1: Get what's up? What's down? What with a major cause?

1459
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: And how will it affect the economy? The big business

1460
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: questions on of a business hour with hither duplessy Ellen

1461
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: and MAS for Trusted Hoe Insurance Solutions US talk said be.

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Speaker 2: Evening coming up in the next hour. Japan's Prime Minister

1463
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Speaker 2: has lost the election, but he ain't going know where.

1464
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 2: Peter Lewis will explain. Barry Sopall rap the political week

1465
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 2: that was, and Gavin Gray is with US out of

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Speaker 2: the UK. It's eight past six. Galaid Maxwell will meet

1467
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Speaker 2: with the Deputy Attorney General of the US for a

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Speaker 2: second day in a row tomorrow. Her lawyer said the

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Speaker 2: meeting was productive. This is the one today was productive

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Speaker 2: and she answered all of the questions honestly and will

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Speaker 2: continue to do so. Now this comes at the same

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Speaker 2: time that Donald Trump is under huge pressure to release

1473
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Speaker 2: the documents related to Jeffrey Epstein, documents that we now

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Speaker 2: know he is in. Now Randy Zellen is a US

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Speaker 2: criminal defense lawyer Randy Hallo, Thanks for coming on the show.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate the chance to be on.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they're going to strike a deal with her?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

1479
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Speaker 2: What will be the terms of the deal.

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Speaker 5: That I think is difficult. Right now.

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Speaker 12: There are two paths for ms Maxwell to get home.

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01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 12: One way is if she assists the government, the United

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01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 12: States government, the United States Department of Justice, in prosecuting

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01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 12: someone else. That's what we call in the United States cooperation.

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01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 12: If she provides cooperation, if she provides that substantial assistance,

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01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 12: that will allow the government to go back to the

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Speaker 12: sentencing judge and say, Judge Glaine Maxwell helped us, we

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01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 12: were able to prosecute someone else or other people, and

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Speaker 12: in exchange for her cooperation, we would like you to

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Speaker 12: resentence her. It's what we call a downward departure. And

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Speaker 12: our laws do permit someone who has been sentenced to

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Speaker 12: be resentenced based upon their cooperation.

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Speaker 5: So that's one way she gets home. The other way

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Speaker 5: she gets home.

1495
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 12: Is if she gets a pardon from President Trump or

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Speaker 12: President Trump grants her clemency. In those instances, it is

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Speaker 12: up to the president to determine whether or not her

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01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 12: entire conviction should be wiped out like it never happened,

1499
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Speaker 12: or her sentence should be commuted, it should be stopped,

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Speaker 12: and she gets to go home. So those are the

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Speaker 12: two paths to get Miss Maxwell home.

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Speaker 2: How does this help Donald Trump if at all, with

1503
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 2: the situation that he finds himself in right now, which

1504
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Speaker 2: is that everybody's starting to believe that he really is

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Speaker 2: in those Epstein files in a big way.

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Speaker 12: Well to the extent that Miss Maxwell, and probably aside

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Speaker 12: from Jeffrey Epstein, there are a few people who know

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Speaker 12: better what actually went on, and to the extent that

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Speaker 12: she truthfully says to the Department of Justice, Hey, yes

1510
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 12: they were friends, they did socialize on occasion, but no,

1511
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 12: Donald Trump is not in the client book. Donald Trump

1512
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:07,919
Speaker 12: never did anything untoward or inappropriate. And in fact, I

1513
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 12: recall when Donald Trump made Jeffrey Epstein persona non grata,

1514
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 12: And anybody who says differently is full of crap. And

1515
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 12: there is nothing to see here. And this is all

1516
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 12: much ado about nothing when it comes to Donald Trump

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01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 12: and Jeffrey Epstein, Randy.

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Speaker 2: No one's gonna believe her if she says that, are

1519
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 2: they like I mean, if she if she comes out

1520
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 2: and goes, Donald Trump had nothing to do with it.

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01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, I'm a free woman now

1522
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:40,759
Speaker 2: I can get out. No one's gonna believe what she says,

1523
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Speaker 2: are they.

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Speaker 12: Well, the truth of the matter is, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 12: what anyone else believes. The only thing that matters is

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Speaker 12: what the Department of Justice believes and what.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump believes.

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Speaker 12: And if that is something that they believe, then either

1529
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 12: the government will go back to the sentencing judge and

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01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 12: it will be up to the sentencing judge to be convinced.

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Speaker 5: And certainly, if the Department.

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Speaker 12: Of Justice puts pen to paper and says we're able

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01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 12: to prosecute other people as a result of the information

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01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 12: she gave us, that unlocks the door for the judge

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Speaker 12: to say, Okay, miss Maxwell, I'm taking your sentence from

1536
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 12: twenty years down to whatever, including zero, in which case,

1537
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 12: just get the hell out of here and go back

1538
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 12: across the pond. Or the President can decide to either

1539
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 12: pardon her or grant her clemency, in which case the

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01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 12: courts have nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 5: The court is.

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Speaker 12: Completely cut out of the process. It is between the

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Speaker 12: president and Gallaine Maxwell.

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Speaker 2: Okay, from a political point, and I take your point

1545
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 2: that it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks, but everybody's

1546
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 2: got opinions on it now and it is going global.

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01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 2: Something that was just a conspiracy theory before is now

1548
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 2: known by everybody around the world politically. How does he

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01:11:58,960 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 2: get out of this.

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Speaker 12: If Gleayne Maxwell can again say they were friends, Yes,

1551
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 12: Epstein was at his wedding, they did socialize, but over

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01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 12: and above that, that was the extent of it. And

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01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:18,520
Speaker 12: I never saw anything inappropriate. I never saw anything untoward.

1554
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 12: I never saw Donald Trump with anybody that he wasn't

1555
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 12: supposed to be. And if that is something that the

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Speaker 12: Department of Justice believes, and if that is something that

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01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 12: President Trump believes, then that is an instance where miss

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01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 12: Maxwell could be on the right side of a pardon

1559
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 12: or the right side of clemency.

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Speaker 5: In either event, she goes home.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating stuff. Randy, Thank you, Randy Zellen. You Iss defense

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Speaker 2: lawyer Barry Soople reaped the political week that was with

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Speaker 2: us very shortly. Just just want to bring up to speak,

1564
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Speaker 2: just another development in this business with the protest and

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01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 2: the Essex Police that I have been talking to you

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01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 2: about over the last couple of days. What's happened now

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01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 2: is that the Essex Police chief has risen to the government,

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01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 2: written to the Home Secretary in the UK and demanded

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Speaker 2: that the migrants are who are in that hotel are moved.

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01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 2: This is the hotel where the protest and the counter

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01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 2: protest has been happening. He's written to her. He said

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Speaker 2: it is completely unsuitable for housing and housing migrants and

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01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 2: asylum seekers to be in that hotel because it is

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01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 2: clearly creating community tension. He hasn't heard back from her

1575
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 2: and he's demanded a meeting. He hasn't heard back from

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01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 2: her at all. There is speculation that they will be

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01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 2: moved into a hotel on Canary Wharf in the center

1578
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 2: of London because there have been mattresses and toilet brushes

1579
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 2: delivered there and that's been going on for a week

1580
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 2: while now. So keep an eye on this because this

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01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 2: thing is blowing up for the government quite badly. Fourteen

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Speaker 2: past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by news dog Zebbi.

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Speaker 2: Heather, there are hundreds of people on that list. How

1586
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 2: can Trump drain the swamp when he's swimming in it? Well,

1587
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 2: that is exactly the problem, isn't it anyway? Seventeen pass

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Speaker 2: six Barry Soper, senior political correspondent, raps the political week

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Speaker 2: for us of course at this time every week. Welcome back, Barry,

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01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 2: Hello again, Heather. I'm very much of the view now

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01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,719
Speaker 2: that the price of butter thing is completely irrational, because

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01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 2: we're talking about eight dollars sixty and it's not the

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01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 2: most expensive thing that you have in your budget that's

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01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 2: gone up.

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Speaker 17: No, absolutely not. And you know the problem for Nikola

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01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 17: willis it's the old political problem that you sound as

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01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 17: though you're going to go and talk to people who

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01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 17: could control the prices. Well they don't. It's the international

1599
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 17: market that controls the prices of butter. You sound as

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01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 17: though you're going to be able to bring it down somehow,

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01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 17: and of course that wasn't the case, and it isn't

1602
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 17: the case. I thought the performance of Miles Hurrel here

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01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 17: at Parliament he met with the opposition parties as well,

1604
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 17: and he was chased down the road and I thought

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01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 17: it was very unsavory him being chased the way he was,

1606
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 17: as though he was some sort of criminal. I mean,

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01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 17: the man is the chief executive of Fonterra, which is

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01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 17: doing extraordinarily well. And for a reporter yesterday in christ

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01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 17: to ask him how much he was paid, I mean, please,

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01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 17: who cares how much he's paid. This organization and the

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01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 17: farmers who belong to it are making this country a

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01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 17: lot of money, and unfortunately for the consumer in New Zealand,

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01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 17: when they make a lot of money out of Butter,

1614
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 17: we tend to suffer. And that's exactly what's happening. So

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01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 17: there might be a lot of political posturing on this,

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01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 17: but that's all it is because they can't really affect

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01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 17: them now.

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Speaker 2: Now, the debate about this is whether Nikola Willis has

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01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 2: come out of this badly or not right So, those

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01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 2: who watch politics very closely, I think she is now

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01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 2: developing or quite clearly has developed a reputation for talking

1622
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 2: the big talk but not following through with actual action.

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01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:45,959
Speaker 2: But has that actually has your average voter actually realized

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01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 2: that yet?

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01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 11: Well?

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01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 17: No, I don't. In fact, probably the average voter doesn't

1627
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 17: really care and doesn't really take much notice of what's

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01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 17: being said. But Butter's not going to come down anytime

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01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 17: soon if it doesn't de fond terror by saying that

1630
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 17: the price remains high, and that means it's good for

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01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 17: the New Zealand economy. But there is a political problem here,

1632
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 17: isn't there That if you indicate that you may be

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01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 17: able to affect the price in some way and then

1634
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 17: nothing happens, then you do get a bit of egg

1635
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 17: on your face. But the thing is, I think within

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01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 17: the next few weeks you're going to see what will

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01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 17: be a reasonably substantial announcement on supermarkets. And that's the

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01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,839
Speaker 17: one thing that maybe Nichola Willison's You've.

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01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 2: Better not be talking. This better be substantial because we've

1640
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 2: had a lot of announcements on supermarkets, and that it'll.

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Speaker 17: Be a third buyer. I would imagine a third entrance

1642
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 17: into the market and they'll be fast tracked through having

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01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 17: a number of shops open around.

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01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 2: The const I hope you're right that way, That's what

1645
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 2: i'd imagine. Who knows, I hope you're right. Okay, Now,

1646
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 2: the White Cousle Medical School, I mean, I have my

1647
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 2: doubts about the medical school's costs in the end, Like

1648
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 2: you know, it seems like a reasonable idea, but I

1649
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 2: think it's going to be more expensive then than I think.

1650
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 2: What do you think?

1651
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 17: Well, who knows? You know, I think, you know, we

1652
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 17: have a problem with doctors in this country and attracting

1653
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 17: them to the country, and particularly getting them into the provinces.

1654
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 17: Now I think that's going to be the biggest problem

1655
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 17: for a medical school at the Waikata University. How do

1656
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 17: you tell a graduate doctor that they've got to stay

1657
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 17: in the region from whence they came without bonding them.

1658
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 17: And there's no question that they're going to be bonded.

1659
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:33,639
Speaker 17: But nevertheless, it is churning out more doctors. Hopefully most

1660
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 17: of those who are turned out will stay in the country.

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01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 17: The cost of the medical school is fascinating, isn't it

1662
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 17: Because during the election campaign it was costing three hundred

1663
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 17: and eighty million dollars. Now the government is only putting

1664
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:48,640
Speaker 17: in just over eighty million dollars and the university is

1665
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 17: coming up with one hundred and fifty through philanthropists and

1666
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 17: their own money. So they've cut the cost dramatically. And

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01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 17: before they could even now else that the school was

1668
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 17: going ahead, Act to put out a statement with David

1669
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 17: Seymour claiming that they had got the cost down. Well,

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01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 17: you know that's politics again.

1671
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 2: Now I am I remain I know you'll like David

1672
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 2: Seymour and you think they're all dropcacks. But I remain

1673
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 2: uncomfortable about what's going on with these the change to

1674
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 2: in the enrollment. Have you changed your mind overnight?

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01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 6: No, not at all.

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01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 17: I think you know, if people can't get their A

1677
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 17: N tog and get on the roll thirteen days out

1678
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 17: from an election, the advertising will be blanketed throughout the country.

1679
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 17: And if people don't realize that the election is on,

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01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 17: and if they as many of them do, turn up

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01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 17: on election days, sorry, sorry, oops, I haven't enrolled, but

1682
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 17: ole and roll now and vote. I think they've got

1683
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 17: to be a bit more orderly than that, because the

1684
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 17: problem now is Heather that we've got the election takes

1685
01:18:55,160 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 17: what up to two weeks maybe three weeks to finalize results,

1686
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 17: and that essentially is the special votes and people enrolling

1687
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 17: on the day because there's a lot of checks and

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01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 17: balances got to go into that, so that drags out

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01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 17: the final result. But yeah, no, I don't think it's

1690
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 17: a bad thing at all. I think people should be enrolling.

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01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:21,480
Speaker 17: And I also think that treating at election polling booths

1692
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 17: is something that's got to be outlawed, and that's so

1693
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 17: going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Barry, thanks very much, Barry Soper wrapping the political

1695
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 2: week that was for us. If you follow UK politics,

1696
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 2: you might have been a little bit depressed to hear

1697
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 2: that Jeremy Corbyn's name for the party that he's launched

1698
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 2: with Zara Sultana is your Party. Because that's a shite name,

1699
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 2: isn't it. It sounds like a crappy Elton John song,

1700
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Anyway, it's not the name, thankfully,

1701
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,480
Speaker 2: it's just the name of the it's just the website

1702
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 2: that they've set up in order to kind of get

1703
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 2: people to sign up and stuff that they yet to

1704
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 2: do the big reveal on the name. And I feel

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01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 2: like the pressure is on.

1706
01:19:58,320 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 5: Now.

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01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 2: What do you think because we all a hot minute there,

1708
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 2: we all thought it was called your Party.

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01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 15: Maybe they're just setting the bar nice and low so

1710
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 15: that no matter how bland or mundane the party namers

1711
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 15: will be like, oh, at least it's not your party, dodgeable.

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01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,600
Speaker 2: Can't get any worse than that. So yeah, that's the

1713
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 2: game plan there.

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Speaker 1: Six twenty three, Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's heathered duplicy Allen with the Business Hour and maz

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01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be Yeah, we're going to have a chat about

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Speaker 2: that trade deal that the US trumpey has struck with

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Speaker 2: Japan when we're joined by Peter Lewis shortly. Don't know

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Speaker 2: if you've been following the drama about the jury and

1721
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 2: the Aaron Patterson mushroom trial, but this is the thing

1722
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 2: about them all staying at the same hotel as everyone else.

1723
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 2: There is now an investigation. So what happened is that

1724
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 2: the jury was supposed to be sequestered right all by

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01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 2: themselves and whatnot, but they ended up staying for about

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Speaker 2: a week in a hotel where there were seven journalists,

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Speaker 2: two prosecutors, and three detectives. And anyway, the judge and

1728
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 2: the defense didn't know. It took six days for the

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Speaker 2: authorities to tell the judge that this was happening, and

1730
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 2: then it took another two days before the defense was informed,

1731
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 2: and the defense was only informed just hours before the

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01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 2: jury returned its guilty verdict. Anyway, they've started this inquiry

1733
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 2: already had a speed bump. They've asked for the CCTV.

1734
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 2: This is the CCTV and the cameras and the lobby

1735
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Speaker 2: in the hallways outside the rooms where all the jury

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Speaker 2: members were staying. Here's no CCTV. It's already been erased,

1737
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 2: so we'll never know. We will never know if they

1738
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 2: were chatting to the seven journalists, two prosecutors, and three

1739
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 2: detectives twenty seven past six in some ever do for

1740
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 2: c Ellen Shoba's news.

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Speaker 21: Speed for Cracks and Wi the comin Nation.

1742
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 2: Planned had had a rather interesting team up get their

1743
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 2: Madison Square Gardens show. They met up with the Democratic

1744
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 2: candidate for Mayor Zora and Mandami Zoran if you don't

1745
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 2: know as the Democratic Socialist candidate who took out the

1746
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 2: establishment Darling Andrew Cuomo at the Democratic primaries. Anyway, Mam

1747
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,679
Speaker 2: Darmi posted his conversation with the frontman of Wu Tang,

1748
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:53,719
Speaker 2: which is Riza backstage at the concert.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me, Thanks for coming.

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01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 6: A real pleasure. Wow, it's a real pleasure to.

1751
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Speaker 5: Adda Will Tanks job.

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Speaker 21: He said, you can make Brownsville a place where you

1753
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 21: want to live exactly, and they could afford it and

1754
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 21: they get the quality of Yeah, all right, so it's

1755
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 21: a mission.

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01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 15: So we'll tank financially.

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Speaker 2: So it turns out that Zoran is actually quite a

1758
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 2: big rap fan. But he's not just a fan. He

1759
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 2: actually used to be a rapper himself. I know, never

1760
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 2: never let anybody hear the stuff that you did when

1761
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 2: you thought you were going to be a superstar with music.

1762
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 2: He performed under the name Mister Cardiman and Young Cardiman,

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01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 2: and he even made it onto the soundtrack for the

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01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 2: Disney film The Queen of Kutswere. Here's a listen to

1765
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 2: his song called Nanny Oh hold on, I have to

1766
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 2: play it. Lord, I was trying to spare you.

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Speaker 3: Here you go.

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Speaker 22: Sound for you.

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Speaker 9: There is the nnny hand of the bad time waits

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Speaker 9: Luger band songer.

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Speaker 2: My damn s Hey, I don't hate that.

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Speaker 7: I don't hate that.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what that sounds like? That sounds like

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01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 2: what producer Sam would call freak music? Yes, is it?

1775
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 2: It is freak music. Freak music is the music that

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01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 2: you know, back in the day you put on a

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01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 2: little bit of Marvin Gay Woo the Lady. Now that

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01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 2: news next, whether.

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Speaker 1: It's Macro micro or just playing economics. It's all on

1780
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: the Business Hour with Heather duper Cy, Allen and Mas

1781
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 1: for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions.

1782
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,679
Speaker 2: Gavin Grads can get us out of the UK shortly.

1783
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 2: Here the Great Show. I've been listening since you were

1784
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 2: interview with Helen Clark, but I haven't heard the other

1785
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 2: information you were going to share about Israel that I

1786
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:41,679
Speaker 2: miss it. No, you didn't miss it. I just haven't

1787
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Speaker 2: got around her. But thank you for reminding me. Bridget

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01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 2: So what is not specifically about Israel, but it is

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Speaker 2: about some far right Israeli politicians, and in particular Smotrich.

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01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 2: He's the finance minist of the one who's had various

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Speaker 2: sanctions put on him. I think we've actually sanctioned him.

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Speaker 2: And then also a settler activist called Daniella Weiss. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of them had a conference in the

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Speaker 2: Knesset on Tuesday this week Israel time, and they met

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Speaker 2: to discuss a plan which would involve displacing Palestinians from Gaza,

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Speaker 2: then annexing the territory, and then turning it into a

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01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 2: high tech luxury resort for Israelis. Basically took inspiration from

1798
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,679
Speaker 2: Trump's Riviera of the Middle East idea, and it's called

1799
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Speaker 2: the Master Plan for Settlement in the Gaza Strip. It

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Speaker 2: envisions the construction of eight hundred and fifty thousand housing units,

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01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:35,679
Speaker 2: the construction of high tech smart cities. These are cities

1802
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 2: that trade cryptocurrency and that kind of thing, and then

1803
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 2: a metro system that runs across the territory. It has

1804
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:44,479
Speaker 2: been seen by the Guardian, so it's not making uppy stuff,

1805
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Speaker 2: and it has been condemned by various other politicians who

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01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 2: are in Israel as well. But anyway, what is remarkable

1807
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 2: about this is that the Overton window has shifted here.

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Speaker 17: Right.

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Speaker 2: If you had said this time last year that there

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01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 2: are characters within Israel who would like to have to

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01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 2: entirely remove the population of the Gaza strip and take

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01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 2: it for Israel, we would have said, oh, whatever, conspiracy theory,

1813
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory that has now been Trump shifted the Overton

1814
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 2: window by suggesting it. And since then we have had

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01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 2: now so many reports that this is a real, live

1816
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Speaker 2: consideration that you should absolutely accept that this is a

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Speaker 2: real live consideration, and that if you start moving people

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Speaker 2: into some sort of a concentration camp on the ruins

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Speaker 2: of Rafa, that's just the start of it. So yeah, everything,

1820
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 2: everything starts to make sense if you think that Smattritchen

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Speaker 2: has a lot want to end up basically owning the

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Speaker 2: whole territory twenty two away from seven. Peter Lewis Asia

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Speaker 2: Business correspondent with US right now, Hey.

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Speaker 23: Peter, good evening, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Now, that deal that Trump has struck with Japan, is

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Speaker 2: that a good one for Japan?

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Speaker 23: Well, it could have been worse. That's really the way

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01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 23: we have to look at it. He was threatening tariffs

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Speaker 23: as much as thirty percent on Japan. What they seem

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01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 23: to have got at the moment is a baseline tariff

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Speaker 23: of fifteen percent. That compares quite well with what other

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Speaker 23: countries in the region have got. Indonesia and the Philippines

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Speaker 23: got nineteen percent, Vietnam got twenty percent. But here's the

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Speaker 23: key thing. This is all about auto's. Autos are by

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Speaker 23: far the biggest part of the Japanese economy, and they've

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Speaker 23: been given a deal whereby most of the rest of

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Speaker 23: the world is paying twenty five percent tariffs on the

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Speaker 23: auto sector that's been reduced to Japan for fifteen percent.

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Speaker 23: But here's the issue. Since nineteen seventy eight, Japan has

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Speaker 23: not charged a single penny on auto imports from the

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Speaker 23: United States, whereas the converse is that the US has

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Speaker 23: been charging two and a half percent on cars twenty

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01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 23: five percent on trucks. Despite that, Americans still prefer to

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01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:05,640
Speaker 23: Japanese cars to American cars, and the Japanese prefer Japanese

1845
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 23: cars to American cars too. And this has nothing to

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01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 23: do with anti competitive behavior or pricing. What it has

1847
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 23: to do with is the fact that Americans just simply

1848
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:21,680
Speaker 23: don't make cars that Japanese people want. So, for example,

1849
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,680
Speaker 23: their steering wheels are on the wrong side to start with,

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01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 23: and they seem reluctant to change that when they try

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Speaker 23: and sell their cars into Japan. They are huge gas

1852
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 23: guzzlers in a country where there's an enormous tax on fuel,

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01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:38,719
Speaker 23: and the cars are so big that they don't fit

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Speaker 23: down Japanese roads or into small Japanese parking spots. So

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Speaker 23: this is really the issue. It's a you know, it's

1856
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 23: a consumer choice issue, and in many ways, the American

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01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:54,440
Speaker 23: manufacturers don't make it very easy to make Japanese consumers

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01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 23: prefer American cars as opposed to Japanese ones.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, are you telling me that they're just

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Speaker 2: out completely out of interest? Is there no American car

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Speaker 2: that is actually a normal human being sized car? Are

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Speaker 2: they all messive.

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Speaker 23: Well that most of them are very big, yeah, because

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01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 23: you know they're used to very wide, sort of free

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01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 23: ways in the United States. By contrast, you know, Japanese

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01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 23: cars tend to be small and compact. They have to

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01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 23: to be able to be sold in Japan. So you know,

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Speaker 23: this trying to sort of false consumer choice through tariffs,

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Speaker 23: I don't think is really going to work. You know,

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01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 23: the American economy the japan economy are market economies. They're

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Speaker 23: not command economies. So the other aspect of this, whereby

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01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 23: Japan says well, we'll invest five hundred and fifty billion

1873
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 23: dollars into the US, it isn't Japan that invests that money.

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01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 23: It's companies. It's individual businesses and companies which go and

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01:28:55,400 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 23: invest if they see opportunities in America. So I don't

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01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 23: think you can just decree a country will go and

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Speaker 23: invest half a trillion dollars in your economy. But when

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01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 23: they're they're not Chinese style economies where you can try

1879
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 23: and dictate from above. This is all about consumers and

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01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,839
Speaker 23: businesses and their choice and the opportunities that they see.

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Speaker 23: So on paper, it looks like not a bad deal,

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01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 23: but I just think in practice, we're going to find

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01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 23: over the months and years it's not going to work,

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01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:30,599
Speaker 23: and there's going to be disappointment in this deal, and

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01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 23: we'll come back to to the beginning, whereby we'll be

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01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:37,640
Speaker 23: looking at new measures to try and change the preferences

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Speaker 23: of consumers.

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Speaker 2: What's going on with the Japanese Prime minister That he's

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01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:42,599
Speaker 2: lost but he doesn't want to go anywhere.

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Speaker 23: Well, yes, he doesn't seem to want to go away.

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Speaker 23: He lost very badly. He's lost now both houses of

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Speaker 23: parliament in Japan, both the upper House and the lower House.

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Speaker 23: There's been all sorts of rumors in Japanese media that

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01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 23: is going to resign in August once we've seen the

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01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 23: tariff discussions completely put to bed. He denies that and

1896
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 23: says he has every intention of staying on. The problem

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01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 23: is history is not really with him, because no prime

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01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 23: minister since nineteen fifty five has been able to stay

1899
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 23: on when they don't have a majority in both the

1900
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 23: upper and lower houses of parliament. Now, he says he

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01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 23: wants to protect the country's politics from instability, but I

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01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 23: suspect that he is dead man walking. I think fairly

1903
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 23: soon there's going to be pressure on him to go

1904
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 23: and resign, and probably the oldp is going to have

1905
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 23: to have a big rethink about what it stands for

1906
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 23: and how it reconnects, in particular with young voters who,

1907
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 23: as we've seen in other elections around the world, have

1908
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 23: deserted mainstream parties and gone for extreme populist parties, particularly

1909
01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:59,679
Speaker 23: on the right wing. And that's exactly what we saw

1910
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:02,800
Speaker 23: in Japan. It was the same issues. It was the

1911
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 23: cost of living. Rice prices in Japan have served one

1912
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 23: hundred percent over the past year, and it's about immigration.

1913
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:13,839
Speaker 23: Those were the two big issues, and they were exactly

1914
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 23: the two issues that have walked down encumbered governments in

1915
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:19,719
Speaker 23: other parts of the world over the last couple of years.

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01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 2: Same and much of the world. Hey, thank you, Peter,

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01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 2: lovely to talk to you. We'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 2: That's Peter Lewis Asia Business, corresponding on the bigcaus like

1919
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 2: have you seen the ram You know, the ram mute.

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01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 2: The ram mute has got surely to God has got

1921
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 2: to be the biggest ute that we have available to

1922
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 2: us in New Zealand. That's an American ute. I went

1923
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:38,680
Speaker 2: round to the BYD showroom, went to check out them.

1924
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 2: It's very cool, by the way, all the stuff that

1925
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 2: it's not actually that it's like the warehouse thing anyway.

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01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:45,759
Speaker 2: That are a bunch of rams in there because they

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01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 2: also distribute them. And those vehicles are so enormous you

1928
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 2: almost have to see it to believe it. Like the bonnet,

1929
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 2: the top of the bonnet is at my shoulder level,

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Speaker 2: and I compare that to four weeks. Hold on, let

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Speaker 2: me just measure it quickly. Yeah, so you know the

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Speaker 2: old jeep, So I've got the jeep. The jeep is

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Speaker 2: the old Jalopi for the beach. I've had it for

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Speaker 2: fifteen years. It's a twenty year old cars. Nothing special,

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Speaker 2: but it's just a Jeep Wrangler. But it's like a normal,

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Speaker 2: normal human being sized car. That bonnet would be sort

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Speaker 2: of at my navel or just like maybe slightly above

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Speaker 2: my navel. That's a huge step up from a navel

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Speaker 2: to my bloody shoulder. Like these vehicles are so boog

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Speaker 2: so big, wouldn't fit down my driveway. Like we have

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Speaker 2: to completely redesign outry.

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Speaker 15: I just can't let this go. So before you just

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Speaker 15: stood up to work out how high your jeep is.

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Speaker 15: Your jeep is not in the studio with you. How

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Speaker 15: on earth did you do that?

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Speaker 2: Just memory? I had to you just.

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Speaker 15: Needed to stand up and picture the jeep where the

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Speaker 15: desk is.

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Speaker 2: I was manifesting it for the right right, okay.

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Speaker 15: Or probably not a scientifically accurately, but it was accurate.

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Speaker 2: No, but you know close enough, close enough, Heather. What

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Speaker 2: you just did with Rie Israel is like broadcasting that

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Speaker 2: the Greens had a meeting in Parliament with some basket

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Speaker 2: case and then said they had planned for something nice

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Speaker 2: one yes, no, I know, which is why I said

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Speaker 2: only some politicians. But hanging a tick in this story.

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Speaker 2: The Rans are the finance minister, the Greens are in government,

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Speaker 2: and what happens when you're in government the things that

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Speaker 2: you want to do can be done. So fourteen away

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Speaker 2: from seven.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMS to the big corporates for the Business

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Speaker 1: Hour with Hither DUP, c Ellen and Meres for Trusted

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Speaker 1: Home Insurance Solutions, News.

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Speaker 2: Talks dB, Kevin Gray UK correspondence with a Fello Gevin. Hi,

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Speaker 2: there have that Kevin, We've been speaking a fair bit

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Speaker 2: about Gaza on the show this evening, and that moved

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Speaker 2: by Macron to recognize a Palestinian state is a reasonably

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Speaker 2: significant one, isn't it.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, very significant. So it's going to be the first

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Speaker 22: country in the G seven, the first nation in order

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Speaker 22: to recognize Palestine. And this is something which is going

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Speaker 22: to set him obviously on a collision course with Israel,

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Speaker 22: but not just Israel, also with America, the US saying

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Speaker 22: it strongly rejects Macron's announcement and calls the decision reckless.

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Speaker 22: According to the Secretary of State Marco Rubio. So, France

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Speaker 22: is saying that it will recognize the Palestinian state formerly

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Speaker 22: at the UN General Assembly in New York. And this

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Speaker 22: of course all about the urgent need for the warring

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Speaker 22: Ghaza to come to an end. And now there's quite

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Speaker 22: a bit of pressure as well here in the UK

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Speaker 22: on our Prime Minister to do the same, but I

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Speaker 22: think that's going to be unlikely, but he is under

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Speaker 22: huge pressure to do the same. It's a brave move

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Speaker 22: by France or is it a silly move by France? Well,

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Speaker 22: seeing the pictures out of Ghaza, you have to think, gosh,

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Speaker 22: is there not more that we can all do? And

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Speaker 22: maybe France has had enough with it so to speak.

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Speaker 22: So yeah, a decision that could get France into a

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Speaker 22: bit of hot water, or it could win Macron some

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Speaker 22: huge support.

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Speaker 2: Has Trump arrived in Scotland yet.

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Speaker 6: Not yet.

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Speaker 22: But this is a most unusual visit. It's not his

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Speaker 22: state visit, which is just coming up actually in a

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Speaker 22: little over a month's time, where he of course he

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Speaker 22: will be fated by the King and politicians here. This

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Speaker 22: is a private visit. He's gained to visit two golf

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Speaker 22: resorts that he owns in Scotland. But this is causing

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Speaker 22: a massive security problem because some five thousand police Scotland

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Speaker 22: officers are on duty at any one time for this.

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Speaker 22: Masses of security that he's brought Donald Trump was brought

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Speaker 22: over from America, plus all sorts of safe vehicles and

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Speaker 22: security measures and people in the local town. I mean

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Speaker 22: one of these towns, Turnbridge, is quite frankly, really small.

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Speaker 22: It's like a village, and it's going to be absolutely

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Speaker 22: swamped by all these people there to protect the president.

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Speaker 22: It's very interesting this Donald Trump is going to meet

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Speaker 22: the Prime Minister Secure Stama. He is going to meet

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Speaker 22: the Scottish government First Minister John Swinney. But these are

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Speaker 22: sort of unofficial if you like, trips and unofficial visits.

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Speaker 22: And I can't think of another US president who has

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Speaker 22: mixed business with pleasure, in other words, openly visiting them

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Speaker 22: as president, with all the presidential baggage that comes with it,

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Speaker 22: but on a private trip to promote his commercial interest

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Speaker 22: bits sailing close to the bones something here.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know what. You're never never allowed to

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Speaker 2: use the word pleasure around Trump ever. Again, thanks very much, Gavin,

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. In Kevin Gray, our UK corresponding hither, here's

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Speaker 2: another theory if you re Epstein, bugger it. It's it's

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Speaker 2: a free for all, now, isn't it. We're just gonna

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Speaker 2: go hard on it, aren't we. Like we're in this now,

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Speaker 2: aren't we. We're going in boots and all into the theories.

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Speaker 2: Oh again, here we go here, yeah, nowhere into it

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Speaker 2: because the conspiracy. I feel like I need to justify

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Speaker 2: this to you. But this conspiracy theorists have got enough

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Speaker 2: right for us to be like, well, let's go for it.

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Speaker 2: And he's making it look weird, isn't he. Trumping Hither,

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Speaker 2: here's another theory for you regarding Epstein. They were going

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Speaker 2: to release it until three days after the big beautiful

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Speaker 2: bill got approved. A few were against it, this is

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Speaker 2: the Big Beautiful Bill, but then they changed after talking

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Speaker 2: to Trump. They may have found something that helps making

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Speaker 2: people's minds up, which is obviously in the files. So

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Speaker 2: why give that to the media. If they had something

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Speaker 2: on Trump? Why did Biden not release it? They've been

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Speaker 2: trying since twenty sixteen. So if you haven't quite well,

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Speaker 2: I do you know what? I like your logic. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if it's true or not, but you know,

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Speaker 2: as I say, it's free for all. What he's saying

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Speaker 2: is whole bunch of people didn't want to support Trump's

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Speaker 2: Big Beautiful bill, and then they got convinced after they

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Speaker 2: found out what was in the Epstein files. But it's

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Speaker 2: probably just not true. But hey, who cares? Who cares?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: Seven away from seven it's.

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Speaker 1: The Heather too for see allan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: Hey. You know that I believe in the power of

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Speaker 2: a good ad a because I'm a huge fan of

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Speaker 2: Tenas and what it's done for turners. But this ad

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Speaker 2: check this what out? This is the ad for the

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Speaker 2: clothing brand American Eagle Outfitters, which stars Sidney Sweeney from

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Speaker 2: White Lotus.

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Speaker 6: I'm not here to tell you to buy American Eagle chans,

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Speaker 6: and I definitely won't say that they're the most comfortable

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Speaker 6: chans I've ever.

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Speaker 11: Wanted, or that they make your butt look amazing.

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Speaker 2: Now, Sidney Sweeney is a big star, and because of that,

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Speaker 2: at the minute it god announced that she would be

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Speaker 2: fronting the ad for the clothing brand, the stock jumped

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Speaker 2: as much as twelve percent in New York. It added

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Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty eight million US dollars to the

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Speaker 2: market value. Completely untethered from reality, said the analysts. Basically,

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Speaker 2: what's going on is people are still gambling on the

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Speaker 2: stock markets. People who don't know what they're doing, you know,

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Speaker 2: like sitting on the Reddit threads and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: They're just having a bit of a gambling because they

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Speaker 2: like Sydney. They went, hey, yeah, by those stock, and

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Speaker 2: enough of them did and it made a marked difference.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, double Denim, if there's one thing

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Speaker 2: that you take away from what I'm telling you right now,

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Speaker 2: double Denim is in because Sydney's got on the jacket

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Speaker 2: and she's got on the pants and it looks cool.

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Speaker 15: An oh, I buried the lead today.

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Speaker 5: That's huge.

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Speaker 15: Back in the Saddle by Luke Colmes two play us

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Speaker 15: out tonight. This is brand new from Luke Colmes. I

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Speaker 15: thing I like about Luke Colmes is if you don't

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Speaker 15: know what kind of singer is just I mean the

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Speaker 15: song is called back in the Saddle. What is Back

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Speaker 15: in the Saddle going to sound like? There's exactly what

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Speaker 15: you would expect a song called Back in the Saddle

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Speaker 15: to sound like? He is exactly what he says on

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Speaker 15: the turn. He knows what people want and he gives

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Speaker 15: it to them.

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Speaker 17: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Go on, give us a lit lip. I'm gonna sell

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Speaker 2: so well. A bit more Metallica than the average country song, though,

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Speaker 2: isn't it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I suppose so, but Ozzie Osborne isn't it anyway? Enjoy

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Speaker 2: your weekend, See you on Monday.

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Speaker 9: Saddleboy who does is Well is great? Christos Pistol Time Telcorder.

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Speaker 7: Sad from Back in Los Again.

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