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Speaker 5: Well, a very good morning, and welcome along to the
Speaker 5: Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me picked off Camp
Speaker 5: on this the first day of daylight saving. So yes,
Speaker 5: the clocks did go forward. Sorry, I'm laughing, because we
Speaker 5: do have in the studio, for all of the wonderful technology,
Speaker 5: a good old fashioned analog clock that hangs on the wall.
Speaker 5: And I guess for the last ten years or so,
Speaker 5: since I've been coming in here early on a Sunday morning,
Speaker 5: it seems to have become my job to stand on
Speaker 5: a chair which is an office chair, in which case
Speaker 5: it rotates right. And if you've ever watched YouTube videos
Speaker 5: of people doing silly things, it's generally involves them standing
Speaker 5: on an office chair, reaching up, getting something down, in
Speaker 5: this case of clock, changing the setting, and then putting
Speaker 5: it back up again. Thus far, touchwood, I've never come
Speaker 5: to a sticky end doing that decidedly unsavory little task
Speaker 5: on a swivel chair. So I'll do that during the break.
Speaker 5: If i'm not back after the break, you'll know what's happened. Radio.
Speaker 5: Good morning, Welcome along to the show. I trust you've
Speaker 5: had a good week. And if there's a project that
Speaker 5: you need some help with, if there's a project that
Speaker 5: you're thinking about doing a bit of planning, you know
Speaker 5: daylight saving typically. We've had officially the first day of
Speaker 5: spring in the first twenty second of September. There equinoxes
Speaker 5: behind us. School holidays are here. The end of the
Speaker 5: year is looming. We got our son's end of year
Speaker 5: report the other day, emailed to us on Friday, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, hang on, now, he's going back to school
Speaker 5: next term. It's not over yet, but it is. The
Speaker 5: year is rushing to its climax at the end of
Speaker 5: the year. So if you've got a project that you're
Speaker 5: thinking about in maybe December January taking some leave, and
Speaker 5: you want to talk about that, you want to start
Speaker 5: doing a bit of planning, then we can discuss that.
Speaker 5: If you've had a couple of issues, let's say with
Speaker 5: product or with suppliers or with contractors, we can talk
Speaker 5: about that. I do want to do a little bit
Speaker 5: later on one of my terribly unreliable, completely unscientific polls,
Speaker 5: and it's around finding a trades person. We'll do that
Speaker 5: about six point thirty this morning through to maybe sort
Speaker 5: eight o'clock. At around seven thirty this morning, we've got
Speaker 5: Bryce mcdermmott, our painting expert from the good people at Razine,
Speaker 5: so from the Razine Color stores. Bryce is available, will
Speaker 5: take your text questions on any painting questions that you
Speaker 5: might have. And after the eight o'clock news, just briefly,
Speaker 5: we'll have a bit of a catch up with Hamish Firth.
Speaker 5: Hamish is a planner and he describes himself as just
Speaker 5: a good old fashioned planner and he's got a couple
Speaker 5: of things, some insights into proposed changes to the ROMA,
Speaker 5: the Resource Management Act. Certainly it was under review with
Speaker 5: the previous government with the Labor administration, Chris Bishop has
Speaker 5: really taken it on board, I think, and done quite
Speaker 5: a lot of work. So what's coming up? What might
Speaker 5: change when it comes to the Resource Management Act, particularly
Speaker 5: as it relates to construction right and you know, most
Speaker 5: building projects that I would have been a part of
Speaker 5: in the last ten years or so typically end up
Speaker 5: with a resource consent attached to the building consent, or
Speaker 5: in fact you need to get the resource consent before
Speaker 5: you can get the building consent. Is that going to
Speaker 5: change anyway? Hamish is an expert on this from the
Speaker 5: Mount Hobson Group and we'll be chatting with him after
Speaker 5: eight o'clock. Then, of course, as always, we'll jump into
Speaker 5: the garden with red claim passed. From around eight point
Speaker 5: thirty this morning. Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty
Speaker 5: is the number to call. Texts are more than welcome
Speaker 5: nine to nine two or z BZB from your mobile phone.
Speaker 5: I've logged into my email because I remember my past word,
Speaker 5: so you can email me as well. A we apology
Speaker 5: on my part after we seem to have talked a
Speaker 5: lot about our boxes. If you're not into OL boxes,
Speaker 5: my apologies, but it seems like a large number of
Speaker 5: you are, and I've had a number of emails requesting
Speaker 5: the plans. I didn't get a chance to do that
Speaker 5: this week. I promise you this week to anyone that
Speaker 5: emailed me requesting plans, so effectively, I'm just taking the
Speaker 5: plans that I got from rud and forwarding them on
Speaker 5: to you. I promise, I promise I will do that
Speaker 5: this week. I'm not going to go ahead and promise
Speaker 5: that I'm going to make the barn Ol box. That
Speaker 5: might be a project for the following week. Anyway, that's
Speaker 5: my homework. I'm sordid, right, I know what I have
Speaker 5: to do. And again, if I sound a little bit croaky,
Speaker 5: it is because I am a little bit croaky. I've
Speaker 5: been on the road quite a bit over the last
Speaker 5: three weeks. In fact, I've had pretty much a trip
Speaker 5: every single weekend for the last three weeks. Came back
Speaker 5: from christ Chitch, Yes, had a fabulous time there. Went
Speaker 5: to Timaru for the first home and Garden show there
Speaker 5: since about twenty eighteen. My mates that run Jade Promotions
Speaker 5: re established the home and garden show. Well received. People
Speaker 5: really enjoyed getting out and looking at stuff. I went
Speaker 5: down to do a bit of a presentation, which is
Speaker 5: what I do, and I catch up with the exhibitors.
Speaker 5: So flew to christ Church on Friday morning. I don't
Speaker 5: know why I booked a six o'clock flight, but anyway,
Speaker 5: got to christ Church, shot out to the FOREMANTHS SIPs
Speaker 5: panel factory so Foemanths is a structurally insulated panel manufacturer
Speaker 5: and I've seen houses being built in SIPs panels by
Speaker 5: from pormants over the years, but I've never actually been
Speaker 5: to the factory. So I took the opportunity to shoot
Speaker 5: out there see Nick who runs the place, and have
Speaker 5: a wand around the factory just to see how SIPs
Speaker 5: panels are actually made, which was quite interesting. And then
Speaker 5: shot out via Methyn Geraldine. Fantastic little military museum in Geraldine,
Speaker 5: just on the main street and most of it's running
Speaker 5: right so it wasn't running at the time, but there's
Speaker 5: tanks and half tracks and scorpions and tractor units and
Speaker 5: jeeps and all sorts in there. It's a fabulous little museum.
Speaker 5: And Geraldine had a fantastic can I just say this
Speaker 5: had a fantastic PASTRAMI toasted sandwich and Methvin as well,
Speaker 5: a little cafe next to the gym Garatge. There you go,
Speaker 5: right in the middle of Methvin. Their beautiful coffee, beautiful
Speaker 5: toasted sandwich, snow in the hills in the background. What
Speaker 5: a gorgeous place. And then Timuru, which I really like.
Speaker 5: And then back via actually back via a beautiful garden.
Speaker 5: But I'll talk about that with Rud when he joins us.
Speaker 5: At eight thirty rdio, I know it's daylight saving. I
Speaker 5: know that most of you are probably still tucked up
Speaker 5: in bed because my clock tells me that it is
Speaker 5: sixteen minutes after five, which is what your body's probably
Speaker 5: telling you as well. But in fact it is actually
Speaker 5: fourteen sorry, fourteen minutes. See, even the clock is wrong,
Speaker 5: not just for the hour but for the minutes. It
Speaker 5: is the most unreliable clock in the world. Yet it
Speaker 5: hangs in the studio. Anyway, I'll get it sorted.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 5: Lines are open. Number to call eight hundred eighty ten
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Speaker 5: We can talk all things building in construction. Call us
Speaker 5: right now, eight hundred eighty ten eighty right, Oh, good morning,
Speaker 5: welcome back to the program. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
Speaker 5: eighty is the number to call. It's always going to
Speaker 5: be a bit slow on AH on a on a
Speaker 5: daylight saving morning, so the clocks have gone forward, and
Speaker 5: obviously people are sleeping in, which is fine. But if
Speaker 5: you're up in about, we're going to get busy later
Speaker 5: on the show. So now's a fantastic time to call.
Speaker 5: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 5: Apparently my adjusting of the clock was alerted overnight morning,
Speaker 5: Pete says the Texa. They said on the overnight talk
Speaker 5: it'd be Jim that you would be changing the clock,
Speaker 5: which is true. And I have done that, standing on
Speaker 5: the little swively chair, balanced like a Russian acrobat to
Speaker 5: be fair nimble on my feet. I am, and down
Speaker 5: came the clock just at the time, perfect right. Everything
Speaker 5: is in synchronicity.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 5: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, though, is that
Speaker 5: number to call? I wonder if I should tell my
Speaker 5: story now, I tell you what the survey that i'd
Speaker 5: like to do. And we've done a couple of these
Speaker 5: recently and they've been quite illuminating for me. And they
Speaker 5: are simple yes, no, right. So the moot that I
Speaker 5: want to put think back to your debating days at
Speaker 5: high school or at university. The moot that I want
Speaker 5: to put is, if you needed to find what I'm
Speaker 5: calling with respect your top three trades, right, the trades
Speaker 5: that you are most likely to need, a carpenter, an electrician,
Speaker 5: or a plumber. Would you have a carpenter, builder, electrician,
Speaker 5: or plumber's number in your phone? And what I'm trying
Speaker 5: to gauge is us having this discussion with someone the
Speaker 5: other day in terms of if you're not connected, let's say,
Speaker 5: with the trades, right, And I think more and more
Speaker 5: the way our society is structured, we're not necessarily as
Speaker 5: connected to trades and trades people as we might have
Speaker 5: been a few years ago. So if you needed to
Speaker 5: phone right now a plumber, please don't phone a plumber,
Speaker 5: an electrician, or a sparky. Would you have their numbers
Speaker 5: in your phone? It's just a yes or no, And
Speaker 5: I'll try and keep track of the text that went
Speaker 5: nuts last time we did it, which was great, oh,
Speaker 5: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. So the moot is,
Speaker 5: do you have plumber, electrician, and carpenter Chippy in your phone?
Speaker 5: Could you call them right now from your contacts in
Speaker 5: your phone? And I'm trying to gauge just how connected
Speaker 5: we are to trades if looking for a trades person,
Speaker 5: how is it for most of you? How easy or
Speaker 5: how difficult is it? And I'm thinking if you've got
Speaker 5: their number in your phone, then it's going to be easy.
Speaker 5: If you don't, then you're going to have to go
Speaker 5: and look somebody up, or you know, phone a friend
Speaker 5: or something like that. So how do you find a trade?
Speaker 5: The text are already starting to come in. We're off
Speaker 5: to a flying start. Yes for the first one. So
Speaker 5: I will ride up a little bit of a telly
Speaker 5: and I'll see how I go. It does get pretty busy,
Speaker 5: but it'll be awesome. So do you have top three
Speaker 5: trades people? Plumber, Electrician, Chippy in your phone? Could you
Speaker 5: phone them right now? Not suggesting that you do because
Speaker 5: they're having a line as well. Kate, A very good morning.
Speaker 4: Morning, Pete.
Speaker 8: You didn't put me down as a yes, excellent, thank you.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I feel as though I am giving you a
Speaker 8: running commentary on my project, because I'm sure i've been
Speaker 8: you every couple of weeks my nest problem. If I may,
Speaker 8: it's going really well and my trade e's are excellent.
Speaker 4: But I don't know if you'd be called that.
Speaker 8: I'm using a Kitset company, right, and they have they
Speaker 8: have been all right, the products have been all right,
Speaker 8: but they've been riding late or they've been the wrong products.
Speaker 8: This time they have accordated booth instead of what I wanted,
Speaker 8: which was a square profile, do you know what I mean? So,
Speaker 8: so this will be quick, But my question to you
Speaker 8: is how long does it take a roofing company to
Speaker 8: rerun a new profile? Because it should it should happen quickly.
Speaker 8: Otherwise my scaffoldings up are not the costing. So I
Speaker 8: just I've been trying to find out and this company
Speaker 8: won't actually tell me, they won't get back to me
Speaker 8: in a timely manner, and I'm trying to find out.
Speaker 8: How long should it take them to provide me with
Speaker 8: the right profile?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, I think if you said two weeks,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be surprised. So if, for example, what's happened
Speaker 5: is now, can we just go one step beyond that
Speaker 5: or one step back from there? I presume that in
Speaker 5: your contract and in the specifications. You were very clear
Speaker 5: about the profile of the long run that you had selected.
Speaker 8: Well, I had sent photographs, okay, and they said, yes,
Speaker 8: that's a that's one we commonly provide.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, so there's clear there's a paper trail
Speaker 5: to say. You made it very clear that that's what
Speaker 5: you wanted. So I'm just making sure there wasn't kind
Speaker 5: of because people often talk about corrigid iron, right, but
Speaker 5: they may you know, I know what krugid irons. You
Speaker 5: know what it is, but other people might think it
Speaker 5: looks like something slightly different. Or if you say a
Speaker 5: square profile, you know, is that a standing scene type thing?
Speaker 5: The there's different things, Okay. So they knew what it
Speaker 5: was that you wanted. When it arrived on site. It
Speaker 5: was the standard corrugates crinkly iron, and you've gone, hang on,
Speaker 5: I asked for a flat profile or a more square profile.
Speaker 5: So they would have gone back to their supplier and said, hey, look,
Speaker 5: can you run that order again. The quantities are the same,
Speaker 5: the length of the sheet is the same. Two weeks
Speaker 5: wouldn't be unreasonable.
Speaker 8: Gosh, the architect apparently put on the consent of plans
Speaker 8: corrugated ruth Ah, And when I spoke to him, he said, no,
Speaker 8: it shouldn't make any difference to the council.
Speaker 5: That's a little bit to be blunt. It's a little
Speaker 5: bit of a laxadaisical attitude, to be fair, because you know,
Speaker 5: the whole thing is like plans are supposed to be
Speaker 5: contracts these days, right, That's how we regard them. So
Speaker 5: if somebody puts it down as a particular profile, that's
Speaker 5: what you should use. Because the warranty is going to
Speaker 5: be different and the installation details are going to be
Speaker 5: different for a different product. Shouldn't make a big deal,
Speaker 5: but it will make a bit of an issue. So
Speaker 5: but look, if you've made it clear in your discussions
Speaker 5: with the supplier that that's what you wanted, they've ended
Speaker 5: up sending out the wrong profile of long run, then yeah,
Speaker 5: I think two to three weeks and anything beyond that.
Speaker 5: And it kind of feels like people are busy, but
Speaker 5: not that busy, right, So if they're doing a reasonable
Speaker 5: amount of business with the roofing firm, they'll be able
Speaker 5: to send that through. And also it's a relatively compact building,
Speaker 5: isn't it.
Speaker 8: Well, it's only seventy three square music.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, So it's not a massive roof. It's
Speaker 5: a simple roof structure, so there's not like lots of
Speaker 5: different lengths of iron that they have to do. Even
Speaker 5: that doesn't make.
Speaker 6: It any difference, you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, a heap at one end in otherwise okay, all right?
Speaker 5: No, I think two three weeks possibly, but no more
Speaker 5: than three, right, thank you?
Speaker 8: All right, So that's a bit more scaff Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, and you know, it's probably not unreasonable to go
Speaker 5: back to them and say, hey, look, the only reason
Speaker 5: I've got the scaffolding up is you need the edge protection.
Speaker 5: So either I'm going to take it down, you're going
Speaker 5: to have to provide your own, or you're going to
Speaker 5: have to contribute to the cost of the scaffolding because
Speaker 5: the mistake is completely on you. That's not unreasonable, right.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 8: The cloud is not up, the joiner is not up.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, So you need scaffolding for a lot
Speaker 5: of other things as well.
Speaker 8: Yeah, what order can things happen? Can they? Can they
Speaker 8: do other jobs?
Speaker 9: First?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 5: The roof, I mean typically you want to get the
Speaker 5: roof on, right, That's that's why we have a roof.
Speaker 5: Shout right, it's to encourage us to get up there
Speaker 5: and get the roof on, because you really don't want
Speaker 5: to be installing cladding. You certainly don't want to be
Speaker 5: installing windows if you're not you know, if you don't
Speaker 5: have a lid on it basically okay, not really unless
Speaker 5: they're going to wrap it, but even that not a
Speaker 5: great idea.
Speaker 4: Well they have wrapped it as in.
Speaker 5: A scaffold with a tent over the top.
Speaker 8: Sorry, no, no, no, just a paper on. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 8: sorry I didn't understand that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no, no, it's but look that's a really
Speaker 5: expensive option. So I mean it's a great option, but
Speaker 5: I wouldn't push them to do that right now. I
Speaker 5: think just push them to go. Look, you just really
Speaker 5: need to get that roofing on as quickly as possible.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it does take a while to anything, but
Speaker 6: not really, you know, to.
Speaker 5: Be fair, you know, is it a common color?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 5: What color?
Speaker 6: Did you?
Speaker 5: It's flexpot? Okay, all right, so there's there's there's probably
Speaker 5: about five or six colors that are really common. Flexpod
Speaker 5: would be one of them. It's a great color, in
Speaker 5: which case it's not an issue of oh, we've got
Speaker 5: to order that coil in right, so if they say
Speaker 5: we've got to order the coil, you're kind of like, yeah, no,
Speaker 5: you just ran the last lot. So unless you ran out,
Speaker 5: that's unusual as well. Good luck with it, Kate. Yeah,
Speaker 5: all of this already, take care, already all this by
Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
Speaker 5: to call. I'm loving the text response that, So my
Speaker 5: moot is in your phone and your contacts on your phone?
Speaker 5: Do you have phone numbers for Plumber, Electrician, and Sparky?
Speaker 5: And to be fair, even if you got two or
Speaker 5: out of three, that's pretty good. Thus far, only one
Speaker 5: person has said that they don't have any contacts like
Speaker 5: that in their phone, which is interesting. Oh wait, that's
Speaker 5: what That's why I want to run this little survey.
Speaker 5: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty will sundred.
Speaker 5: Good morning to you, Oh good morning.
Speaker 4: How are you?
Speaker 7: Thank you? Kim?
Speaker 4: Oh Gross, I'm answering your questions, the moot question, the
Speaker 4: moot I've got all three okay.
Speaker 5: And there I'm curious because is that because you've done
Speaker 5: renovation projects over the years and you've kept their details,
Speaker 5: or you've got friends who happen to be tradespeople.
Speaker 4: No, the home is nearly four years old, and I've
Speaker 4: got them when it was.
Speaker 5: Built, right, Okay, well that's perfect then yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: It was one of those conversations us having with a
Speaker 5: friend during the week, and it was I guess I've
Speaker 5: got this image that you know, back in the day,
Speaker 5: most of us would have known someone in the trades, right,
Speaker 5: And I just wonder whether for maybe a younger generation
Speaker 5: or people that haven't been you know, if you've bought
Speaker 5: let's say house and you don't need to do any
Speaker 5: renovations or alterations, then you may not have contacts for
Speaker 5: trades people, in which case it is kind of a question,
Speaker 5: but how do you find them? So I'm just curious
Speaker 5: that most people still have those contacts, which is awesome.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Awesome for me because I moved from one city to another. Yes,
Speaker 4: so it's good to have these contexts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, good point. Yes, yeah, that's right. If you've got
Speaker 5: people in one town, they you know, depending on how
Speaker 5: far you shift, that's a little bit challenge.
Speaker 4: Well, I just did quite away from to Hamilton, so.
Speaker 5: Tell you as I was, as I was wandering the
Speaker 5: streets of Timaru. Yesterday. I was looking at the real
Speaker 5: estate windows, going, oh, oh yeah, it's great, Sandra, thank
Speaker 5: you very much for calling. Really appreciate. I'll tell you
Speaker 5: what I love about Timoru, the fact that the city
Speaker 5: and the port are so close, and that if you
Speaker 5: go for a bit of a drive or a walk
Speaker 5: like I did, there's all of these commercial buildings, a
Speaker 5: lot of them old heritage buildings, big old brick buildings
Speaker 5: and that right down by the in the port area.
Speaker 5: And to be fair, some of them look like they're
Speaker 5: not occupied, or they're partly vacant or something like that.
Speaker 5: And I was wandering along looking at these buildings, singing, man,
Speaker 5: I could come down here and I could get into
Speaker 5: one of these old buildings and do like a really
Speaker 5: funky sort of apartment warehouse he type thing, and be
Speaker 5: looking out at the water and looking the other way
Speaker 5: to the mountains, and anyway we dream. Oh, eight hundred
Speaker 5: and eighty ten eight is the number, John text is
Speaker 5: a roof shout, still a thing, to be fair, not
Speaker 5: as they are certainly not as boisterous as they used
Speaker 5: to be. And I don't know that clients necessarily understand
Speaker 5: them as much as they used to do as well.
Speaker 5: Like the funny thing that used to do, and we're
Speaker 5: talking like thirty odd years ago, is that you would
Speaker 5: do You'd put the flag up, but you'd put the
Speaker 5: flag in the most inaccessible part of the roof, right,
Speaker 5: And that was the trades would get together and they'd
Speaker 5: go to the highest part of the roof and then
Speaker 5: they'd get a bit of four to two and they'd
Speaker 5: wrap a bit of plastic from the timber wrap and
Speaker 5: that around it, and they'd raise that as high as possible.
Speaker 5: And the idea was that the client would then be
Speaker 5: that would send a signal to everyone else that the
Speaker 5: client was due to do a roof shout. And by
Speaker 5: putting it somewhere where it wasn't easily removed, the only
Speaker 5: way that the flag would come down is if the
Speaker 5: trades got back up there and took it down after
Speaker 5: they'd had the roof shout. I don't think it's like
Speaker 5: that anymore. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty back with
Speaker 5: Rudy in just a moment, and you with new sorts.
Speaker 5: There'd be people camp with you this morning talking all
Speaker 5: things building and construction. Couple of quick text, Hey Pete
Speaker 5: is a roof shout still a thing from John. No,
Speaker 5: probably not in the same way that it used to be.
Speaker 5: And to be fair, I've been to a fair few
Speaker 5: of fairly boisterous ones back in the day, but we're
Speaker 5: talking a while ago. And look, for good reason there
Speaker 5: is now. You know, in terms of health and safety,
Speaker 5: it's not a great look to be shouting guys a
Speaker 5: bunch of years and perhaps they're not providing, you know,
Speaker 5: an alternative for them to get home and those sorts
Speaker 5: of things. So for very good reason, people are less
Speaker 5: likely to spend time on site, having a few at
Speaker 5: the end of a job and so on. So that's
Speaker 5: changed a little bit. And I guess too, you know,
Speaker 5: the majority of houses that are being built now are
Speaker 5: not necessarily being built by clients that the builders know.
Speaker 5: So group home builders, developers, speculators and so on say that,
Speaker 5: in the best possible sense, might be building houses that
Speaker 5: will be built on spec and then they'll be sold,
Speaker 5: so you don't have that immediacy of a relationship. I
Speaker 5: can encourage you, and I say this quite a bit.
Speaker 5: If you are doing sort of a bespoke build where
Speaker 5: you've got a relationship with the builder, you get to
Speaker 5: know them, you spend time working through the plans with them,
Speaker 5: and that sort of thing, scones, coffee, these sorts of things.
Speaker 5: Building that relationship and bolstering it with a little bit
Speaker 5: of nutrition is a very very good thing. Oh, eight
Speaker 5: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call quick
Speaker 5: other text thinking about Catherine's roofing material. If a supplier
Speaker 5: of mind delivered the wrong product, even if it did
Speaker 5: normally take two weeks, I'd expect them to fast track
Speaker 5: it and remake it. Well, that's true, except it might
Speaker 5: be that the company that's building in this case, the
Speaker 5: sort of mine in dwelling seventy square meters placed in
Speaker 5: order and they were wrong. So it's not the roofing supplier,
Speaker 5: not the person running the product. They were told this
Speaker 5: is the profile, but they had incorrect information. So yeah,
Speaker 5: you'd like to think that'd help them out, And you'd
Speaker 5: like to think that the person who made the incorrect
Speaker 5: order would do what they could to try and hasten
Speaker 5: the delivery of the correct material. But it's it's not
Speaker 5: like it's come from the manufacturer. So typically if you've
Speaker 5: you know, it might be a case of you have
Speaker 5: a contract with the builder or the main contractor. The
Speaker 5: main contractor orders the materials. They then get sent to
Speaker 5: the roofing manufacturer who runs the product. Or it might
Speaker 5: go through a roofer, so the builder calls the roofer,
Speaker 5: the roofer goes out, does the site measure and forwards
Speaker 5: the order through to the provider to the manufacturer. So
Speaker 5: you can see where there's always a possibility for, you know,
Speaker 5: mistakes to happen like that, and they do happen a lot.
Speaker 5: I'm guessing. I'm just wondering what's going to happen to
Speaker 5: the other eye and that's sitting around now. Oh wait,
Speaker 5: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number?
Speaker 6: Really?
Speaker 11: Good morning to you, Yeah, good morning peak. About five
Speaker 11: and a half years ago, we bought half share in
Speaker 11: our house with our son. It was a show home
Speaker 11: that had been a show home for two years and
Speaker 11: then we bought it after that. And the reason we
Speaker 11: bought it was because he lives a long way away
Speaker 11: from us. We didn't want any sort of hassles, you know,
Speaker 11: with him living in this house. So first hassle we
Speaker 11: had we had a fairly serious leak in the kitchen
Speaker 11: where they had to replace all the beauty panels on
Speaker 11: the kitchen because they got water damage. That happened quite
Speaker 11: a few years ago. And then just recently he rang
Speaker 11: me and said, oh, the paint's bubbling off the wall
Speaker 11: in the on swite that's backing on to the shower.
Speaker 11: And looking at it and photos, it seemed that there
Speaker 11: was where they're probably it should have been silicon in
Speaker 11: a tile joint. It looked like there was grouse in
Speaker 11: there and water had got through broken ground out you know,
Speaker 11: with expansion, and got him behind the wall and was
Speaker 11: soaking up the wall and pushing the paint off. I
Speaker 11: spoke to the it's a franchise builder, so he spoke
Speaker 11: to the franchise owner and he came and had to
Speaker 11: look and arming and ring, you know. Anyway, while just
Speaker 11: before he arrived, I was walking down the hallway past
Speaker 11: the second bathroom and looked down on the corner of
Speaker 11: the carpet by the door frame, and there's a little
Speaker 11: toadstool growing on the lord. So I pulled the carpet,
Speaker 11: carpet against tiles, pulled the carpet back. The smooth edge
Speaker 11: had totally disintegrated with water. The corner of the carpet
Speaker 11: was quite damp, and so when he came to look
Speaker 11: at the other showers, I took him down there. And
Speaker 11: there's a few boys living in a house, right, so.
Speaker 8: I thought, well, you know, maybe it's coming over.
Speaker 11: The top of the tiles. You know, they're not too
Speaker 11: careful about what they're doing coming in and out of
Speaker 11: the shower and stuff like that. So I said, you know,
Speaker 11: look at this sort of thing, you know, And there
Speaker 11: was a little bit of broken out grout in that bathroom,
Speaker 11: but outside the shower. He seemed to think, oh, maybe
Speaker 11: it's water getting in there and tracking down.
Speaker 6: To the doorway.
Speaker 11: One of the boys had a shower that night, and
Speaker 11: I went back in the bathroom and had a look,
Speaker 11: and basically there's no water coming out under the shower door,
Speaker 11: you know, looks at him, comes out maybe and a
Speaker 11: half so there's no way waters flooding all the way,
Speaker 11: you know, nearly two meters from the shower to the doorway.
Speaker 11: So it's getting to the doorway in another way. He's
Speaker 11: sort of sawn little maintenance is shoes, I'm saying, really
Speaker 11: bad workmanship, don't I don't really know.
Speaker 5: And so given the age of it, right, so whether
Speaker 5: it's got a you know, some sort of guarantee from
Speaker 5: you know, there's a couple of insurance guarantees. There's there
Speaker 5: used to be the Halo scheme, there's the master builder scheme,
Speaker 5: those sorts of things, right, So if it's got one
Speaker 5: of those master builders, okay, all right, well that's that's
Speaker 5: going to be interested. Well they should be.
Speaker 11: They say, f's workmanship and water damage three years.
Speaker 5: Okay, is that in the contract?
Speaker 11: Well that's what they told me.
Speaker 5: It'd be good to get the contract and actually haven't
Speaker 5: read through it yourself and not just believe what someone's
Speaker 5: telling you on the phone. So I would I would
Speaker 5: start there. The other thing is that and this is
Speaker 5: something that perhaps I should really get a lawyer to
Speaker 5: speak to this as well. Like there's there's obviously building regulations, right,
Speaker 5: and there's minimum durability requirements for different parts of the building. Right.
Speaker 11: Very hard to find out these things, aren't.
Speaker 5: There are no If you go to building Performance dot
Speaker 5: gov dot NZ and you know that sort of thing,
Speaker 5: there's a lot of information there. So and then the
Speaker 5: fact that it's these things should be done to a
Speaker 5: certain standard, right, and they have a minimum durability requirement,
Speaker 5: and that is actually backed up by consumer law. Right,
Speaker 5: So not having insurance or thinking that you're buying an
Speaker 5: insurance policy and that's the only redress you have is incorrect,
Speaker 5: because you have redress under consumer law. And my understanding
Speaker 5: has always been that there should be at least a
Speaker 5: ten year minimum warranty on waterproofing.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 5: So, and also your comments about grout, grout is not there.
Speaker 5: And even if it's grout that's put in somewhere that
Speaker 5: should be flexible. There should be and given that the
Speaker 5: house is only seven years old, a complete waterproof membrane
Speaker 5: behind that, right, and that shouldn't fail. So tiles are
Speaker 5: not necessarily waterproof. Grout is definitely not waterproof, et cetera.
Speaker 5: So the fact that you've got water somewhere that it
Speaker 5: shouldn't is a failure of the waterproofing. So I would
Speaker 5: go The other thing to do is go back. It
Speaker 5: might be in the documents you had at the sale
Speaker 5: and purchase. It might be in the master bill guarantee
Speaker 5: if you've got one, certainly at council in the CCC
Speaker 5: application will be a PS three from the waterproofer.
Speaker 11: Yeah I'm not he is looking at it, But are
Speaker 11: you squeaking a little bit. Yeah, and I'm going, well,
Speaker 11: you know, really you should just be going and yeah, okay,
Speaker 11: we'll sort it out and not sort of that frustrates
Speaker 11: me a little bit. Yeah, And the reason we bought
Speaker 11: we bought our sort of fairly as new house was
Speaker 11: not to have these problems, you know. So yeah, so
Speaker 11: you're saying ten years on waterproof I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 5: And look, I'm more than happy to do a bit
Speaker 5: of research this week and talk to a couple of
Speaker 5: waterproofers and that sort of thing and see exactly what
Speaker 5: it is. But I've always worked on thissumption that it's
Speaker 5: ten years, right, which isn't actually that long.
Speaker 11: And well, you know, just as a fairly upmarket franchise,
Speaker 11: and I will expect sort of ten years of relatively
Speaker 11: maintenance free.
Speaker 5: You don't expect to see toadstools growing in your house
Speaker 5: that's seven years old.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 8: Look, it just.
Speaker 5: Becomes a sort of push hard, push hard. And there's
Speaker 5: also requirement under the Act that remediation has to be
Speaker 5: done in a timely fashion. So and that's typically again
Speaker 5: in the Construction Contracts Act, because there will have been
Speaker 5: a contract for that work that remediation must occur within
Speaker 5: twelve months.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 11: So from the point of view of like, you're basically
Speaker 11: relying on the silicon to seal the shower, aren't you, well,
Speaker 11: at right angles at right angle joints.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. Wherever there's a right angle joint, so
Speaker 5: an internal cornerunction between the floor and so on, you
Speaker 5: don't put grout in there. You do ceilant because it
Speaker 5: allows for a little bit of movement, But the ceilant
Speaker 5: is there just to deflect the moisture.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 5: The waterproofing behind it is what's doing the waterproofing. It's
Speaker 5: a fully toiled bathroom, tild's.
Speaker 11: Shower and tiled floor in the rest of the bathroom
Speaker 11: with a tiled skirting.
Speaker 5: Gotcha.
Speaker 11: How far does the waterproof extend out of the shower?
Speaker 6: Is it on the concrete floor?
Speaker 11: Yeah, it goes on the concrete slab.
Speaker 5: You see. Sometimes I've seen guys just waterproof the shower
Speaker 5: enclosure and not the.
Speaker 11: Water is coming through under the tiles in the shower.
Speaker 11: Once they get out of the shower box. There's no waterproofing,
Speaker 11: is there.
Speaker 5: Well, there may not. I mean, look, my my approach
Speaker 5: has always been just waterproof the entire floor, right, And
Speaker 5: the other thing is that at the threshold, so between
Speaker 5: at the doorway, typically there needs to be a water stop,
Speaker 5: which is a little angle that gets inserted there and
Speaker 5: if water is tracking along underneath the tiles, and to
Speaker 5: be fair, I saw it the other day with my
Speaker 5: own eyes, and I'd always been a little bit really
Speaker 5: how does that happen? Type thing? And I went to
Speaker 5: a remedial job and the guys were pulling up a
Speaker 5: floor tile that was adjacent a level entry shower, and
Speaker 5: the water had tracked underneath the tiles, and the essentially
Speaker 5: the adhesive and some of the floor leveling compound there
Speaker 5: was saturated.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: So water does migrate, and so we're trying to stop
Speaker 5: that from leaving. So there should be a bandage up
Speaker 5: the walls. So you tile, you'd waterproof the floor and
Speaker 5: up the wall, so you created a bandage right around
Speaker 5: the perimeter, and then at the doorway there should be
Speaker 5: a water stop.
Speaker 11: So with a skirting tile outside the shower, just a
Speaker 11: one hundred mills high tile or whatever that acts of
Speaker 11: skirting going towards the doorway, you expect that to be waterproof.
Speaker 5: I would expect the junction hind there you know, the
Speaker 5: upstand to be fully waterproofed and bandaged. Yep, yeah, good
Speaker 5: luck with all of us. Know how you get on?
Speaker 6: Eh?
Speaker 5: All the best? Take care Ready, we'll take a short break.
Speaker 5: It is six forty seven here at news Talk ZB.
Speaker 5: We're also running a completely unscientific little pole, which I
Speaker 5: quite enjoy. Recently have done a number of these, and
Speaker 5: my question the moot was, or my question to you is.
Speaker 5: I was in a discussion during the week with a
Speaker 5: friend of mine and we were talking about, you know,
Speaker 5: would most people be able to go into their contacts
Speaker 5: list on their phone and find a plumber, electrician or sparky.
Speaker 5: And I had sort of got the sense that maybe
Speaker 5: people are not as connected with trades as they might
Speaker 5: have been in the past, and so I was thinking,
Speaker 5: be interesting to see sort of get a sense of
Speaker 5: where people are at thus far on our terribly unscientific,
Speaker 5: unreliable pole. Most people do. So I got about sort
Speaker 5: of twenty one two votes that yes, I do. Some
Speaker 5: people might have two out of the three, which is
Speaker 5: all right. Some people have gone on to complain about
Speaker 5: one hundred dollars an hour that they have to pay
Speaker 5: for some of these trades. People but anyway, that's not
Speaker 5: the point. And only three people have said I don't
Speaker 5: have any contacts at all for any of those top
Speaker 5: three trades people, or the ones that you're most likely
Speaker 5: going to have to call potentially in an emergency. Right,
Speaker 5: power has gone off, there's a water leak, or something's
Speaker 5: falling off your house. Right, so it's going to be electrician, plumber,
Speaker 5: chippy basically, if you've got their numbers in your phone, yes,
Speaker 5: we'll know on the text machine. Grant a very good
Speaker 5: morning sir.
Speaker 7: Good morning pee.
Speaker 6: How are you?
Speaker 12: I'm pretty good one excellent, one would think, well as one.
Speaker 12: As they've got your wed side addresses number, the they
Speaker 12: should be hooked up.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Hey, really, I was playing with a train.
Speaker 12: Station now today and not train station, a model in
Speaker 12: that and I was looking at it an infrastructure and
Speaker 12: stuff like that.
Speaker 6: Right, And.
Speaker 12: In christ Church I heard you talk about Turmaru and yeah,
Speaker 12: there are some lovely buildings down there. You could do
Speaker 12: some really good things.
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 12: Porch armers and anyway, if you're going for hours about
Speaker 12: beauty of that place. But yeah, and so I was
Speaker 12: looking at christ Church and I was thinking, man, you
Speaker 12: know the sand heilds down in Brighton.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I wonder moving moving those right, because they're not
Speaker 12: a they're not a natural structure. They were put there
Speaker 12: the before the atomic testing just in case we've got
Speaker 12: a splash back on the Yeah, yeah, that's not it's
Speaker 12: not no, no, no, straight up done and done in
Speaker 12: like forty five or around that area. My dad drove
Speaker 12: the big dozers that pushed it up there. But yeah,
Speaker 12: it was originally pushed there to stop the sand. So
Speaker 12: I'm thinking about real estate, and I was putting in
Speaker 12: this big train station and stuff like that, and I thought, Wow,
Speaker 12: I wonder how hard it would be to actually, you know,
Speaker 12: get about moving those houses.
Speaker 5: So I guess that's a hard thing for christ is.
Speaker 5: It's all that T one, T two, T three. So
Speaker 5: whether or not I mean building on sand, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'll do a little google around the Did they put
Speaker 5: the sand there to protect from I don't think so.
Speaker 5: I don't think so oh eight one hundred and eighty
Speaker 5: ten eighty. It's a little bit off topic. Thanks Grant. Chrissy,
Speaker 5: good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 13: So I got a couple of quick cook VI questions
Speaker 13: for you. The first question is no, I don't have
Speaker 13: any trades people on my phone.
Speaker 5: That's thank you.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 13: PVC double glading versus aluminium, Yes, which would you choose?
Speaker 5: I don't know that it's a simple binary yes noo
Speaker 5: to that. I think you've got to look at location.
Speaker 5: You've got to look at what it is that you're
Speaker 5: trying to achieve. If it is thermal performance, and that's
Speaker 5: one of the benefits of uPVC, And I was doing
Speaker 5: a presentation yesterday. I've got charts from the Window Association
Speaker 5: telling you what the heat loss is through different types
Speaker 5: of joinery. Right, So uPVC is thermally very efficient, as
Speaker 5: in it's a terrible conductor of heat. Therefore it's thermally resistant.
Speaker 5: But then again, thermally broken aluminium is also higher than
Speaker 5: standard aluminium, timber being higher than both of them fiberglass,
Speaker 5: which is a little bit rare in New Zealand. So
Speaker 5: you there's there's a bit more subtlety to it than
Speaker 5: a yes, snow one's better than the other.
Speaker 13: So one of the reasons I asked is because though
Speaker 13: through a friend's house and all their window sills of rotten, Yes,
Speaker 13: because the windows haven't been maintained over the years, you know,
Speaker 13: dile bent, their movement hasn't haven't been cleaned, and a
Speaker 13: lot of people don't do it anyway. And so obviously
Speaker 13: your thermal dynamics with your heat and you're cooling on
Speaker 13: each side, and obviously all the water droplets have formed
Speaker 13: on the minium and drip onto the edge I believe,
Speaker 13: and rotted it all out.
Speaker 4: And that's that.
Speaker 13: That's the bit that concerns me. I suppose if I
Speaker 13: goes aluminium stuff and price point, I'm not sure which
Speaker 13: is cheaper.
Speaker 5: Typically there's a premium for uPVC. But then there's also
Speaker 5: a benefit, right, so if your thermal performance is better,
Speaker 5: then potentially you've got a saving long term if you're
Speaker 5: doing a retrofit. I've seen some retrofit systems that utilize
Speaker 5: uPVC joinery which are quite smart. And then there are
Speaker 5: other benefits to uPVC in terms of hardware and like
Speaker 5: there's a flexibility. I've seen some recently where for example,
Speaker 5: a window that is a casement window also becomes a
Speaker 5: bottom hung window that opens inwards so to allow for ventilation.
Speaker 5: Now that's a I guess a functionality that you can
Speaker 5: achieve with some of the uPVC suites that are out
Speaker 5: there that you won't get with aluminium, and to be fair,
Speaker 5: you won't get it with timber either, So yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: take some time. It's a big decision of this.
Speaker 13: I've known you to do the house Peace Fields. They
Speaker 13: can afford it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Another quick question is tell you what can I just
Speaker 5: ask you to hold because we've got news, Sport and
Speaker 5: weather coming up right at the top of the hour,
Speaker 5: which is just a couple of seconds away, and I'll
Speaker 5: try and answer this question about master builders. And I've
Speaker 5: got a story for you straight after the news at
Speaker 5: seven o'clock as well. Actually, it was very nice to
Speaker 5: see the Light Force Solar people at the Timaru Home
Speaker 5: and Garden Show. They had to stand there as well,
Speaker 5: So I was in Timuru yesterday, said they stayed Friday
Speaker 5: night Saturday morning, went out to the Home and Garden
Speaker 5: Show which is on actually it's on through to probably
Speaker 5: four o'clock, five o'clock today and had a bit of
Speaker 5: a chat with them. I do a presentation there called
Speaker 5: what does Good Look Like? And it's kind of a
Speaker 5: little bit of a reflection about you know, we've we've
Speaker 5: started to talk more about good building, right. We want warm, dry, comfortable,
Speaker 5: and that's that's great to look for, But what is
Speaker 5: it that you're actually looking for if we're talking about
Speaker 5: good buildings? So anyway, that's what I was talking too,
Speaker 5: but talking about it's good fun, actually lovely people, timuru
Speaker 5: and developing quite the soft spot for the actually fantastic
Speaker 5: little what was it a little antique store that I found,
Speaker 5: had to wander around the basilica as well, which was
Speaker 5: quite nice, a bit of a two tou along the
Speaker 5: coastline and that sort of thing. That was great, fantastic right, Oh,
Speaker 5: eight hundred and eighty ten eight. You've got a story
Speaker 5: for you in just a minute, but we'll finish up
Speaker 5: the question with Chrissy. So, Chrissy, one of the things
Speaker 5: you're talking about is are you doing when you say
Speaker 5: you're going to do a piecemeal approach to replacing joinery.
Speaker 5: You're replacing the joinery because it's sort of past, it's
Speaker 5: used by date, or you want something that's more thermally efficient.
Speaker 5: So what's your current joinery? Is it aluminum or timber?
Speaker 13: So it's a nineteen thirty's house, course it's timber the California, Yeah,
Speaker 13: exactly in the front windows basically at the moment and
Speaker 13: that they still work. All the windows are all there
Speaker 13: and all secure, and put that bit of bone stuff
Speaker 13: around for the draft. But I'm just looking to replace
Speaker 13: the front ones at the moment, and that's what I
Speaker 13: was wanting to on the back of that, I was
Speaker 13: going to ask to be very quick vision just.
Speaker 5: On that quickly.
Speaker 7: Though.
Speaker 5: If if that timber joinery is sound right, and you
Speaker 5: know you could you could upgrade the hinges, why wouldn't
Speaker 5: you just look at doing a retrofit double glazing to
Speaker 5: your existing joinery, Because you know, from a thermal performance
Speaker 5: point of view, timber performs exceptionally well. So if you
Speaker 5: sort out the drafts and add the double glazing, the
Speaker 5: only thing where it will not be that great is
Speaker 5: potentially air leakage around the perimeter of the frame. But
Speaker 5: then again, you probably don't have building paper on the house,
Speaker 5: in which case you've got lots of air leakage. Anyway, No,
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 13: I mean when I bought the house that failed the
Speaker 13: next test for the guy that had the house completely
Speaker 13: important pass the board and an insulation in the water,
Speaker 13: that was all done, so okay, So you mean whether
Speaker 13: router out the double glazing? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'll tell
Speaker 13: you why because I can't be bositing on future maintenance.
Speaker 5: I like your honesty, chrisy I do. Look, I understand that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 13: One I'm going to give you a little jokes as
Speaker 13: a joke, how much is a plumber get paid on
Speaker 13: overtime time?
Speaker 14: And a turd.
Speaker 7: Go for it?
Speaker 13: Extended on the extension on the back of the house,
Speaker 13: no smil infallation in between?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 13: Could I so the tens there? Could I put a
Speaker 13: false roof on top of that and then put insulation
Speaker 13: and then the newton on top of that?
Speaker 6: Yes? Say yes.
Speaker 5: So just do a Google search for warm roof right,
Speaker 5: and it's not uncommon. And it sounds like I've been
Speaker 5: traveling a lot, because I have been traveling a lot.
Speaker 5: So last weekend I was in Wellington for the New
Speaker 5: Zealand Institute of Building Surveys conference and I was at
Speaker 5: some workshops on the Saturday morning and one of the
Speaker 5: presentations was from Viking and they do warm roof warm
Speaker 5: roof retrofit solutions. So it's it's very specific and you've
Speaker 5: there's there's a lot of science. You've got to get
Speaker 5: it right. But it could be a really good solution
Speaker 5: for you.
Speaker 13: And so that would also mean that people doing their
Speaker 13: main rooms wouldn't have to take that old.
Speaker 5: Off exactly that exactly that, No, not at all. No,
Speaker 5: I think we're going to see some pretty significant growth
Speaker 5: in that area, I think going forward. All right, my pleasure,
Speaker 5: take care of them by by them. Thank you, Chrissy.
Speaker 5: We'll talk to Bevan in just a moment. I need
Speaker 5: to tell you a story, and it's a little bit
Speaker 5: of a tricky one to try and explain. There is
Speaker 5: a property that I look after right that I renovated
Speaker 5: and that I continued to maintain, and it is listed
Speaker 5: as accommodation, so it's fully furnished. It's essentially Airbnb, but
Speaker 5: it's listed through a local holiday home company and it
Speaker 5: gets rented out. And so in the public sphere are
Speaker 5: photographs of the inside of that because you know, someone
Speaker 5: wants to search for a holiday home in Devenport and
Speaker 5: they could find this property, et cetera. And we've got
Speaker 5: photographs that we took or we had taken for that house.
Speaker 5: And inadvertently, a couple of years ago there was a
Speaker 5: bit of a muck up where photographs from our property
Speaker 5: were associated with a property that happens to be two
Speaker 5: doors down right, And so we got that sorted out
Speaker 5: and those photographs were taken down. And then the other
Speaker 5: day I was informed that that property two doors down
Speaker 5: from the one that we look after is up for sale.
Speaker 5: And so I thought I'd be interested to know a
Speaker 5: bit of the history and that sort of thing. I'll
Speaker 5: go to the good people, the old, good old website
Speaker 5: homes dot co dot nz. So I went to homestock
Speaker 5: code ont Nz and you type in the address and
Speaker 5: it brings up details, rough details about the house, the
Speaker 5: size of the section, it brings up a bit of
Speaker 5: a sales history. It's generally got a photograph taken like
Speaker 5: from you know, Google street View or something like that,
Speaker 5: of the outside of the house. And I had to
Speaker 5: look through that and it was kind of interesting. And
Speaker 5: then I scrolled back to the top and then there
Speaker 5: were photographs of the inside of the house. There were
Speaker 5: photographs of the kitchen, there were photographs of the backyard.
Speaker 5: And then I looked at the photographs and went, hang on,
Speaker 5: they're photographs from two doors up. They're not photographs from
Speaker 5: that house. They're photographs from the house that I look after.
Speaker 5: And I thought, okay, well I should really get in
Speaker 5: touch and you tell them that they the photographs are
Speaker 5: not correct, right, which I think information is it's important
Speaker 5: to get it right. So anyway, I scrolled through, looked
Speaker 5: for the contact list. There's no telephone number, so I
Speaker 5: emailed them and said, could you please contact me to
Speaker 5: discuss the photographs because they're wrong. Anyway, that was on Tuesday.
Speaker 5: I haven't heard from them, so I don't know what
Speaker 5: they're going to do about it, but I thought you'd
Speaker 5: be interested in knowing that, So there you go. It
Speaker 5: was quite the moment sort of looking at the photographs
Speaker 5: of the house, going actually they're photographs from it's my
Speaker 5: work attributed to somebody else's house. So I don't think
Speaker 5: it's very good. Not answering your emails also not very good.
Speaker 5: It is thirteen minutes after seven oh eight hundred and
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty is the number to call quick one
Speaker 5: on the pole, So we've been running a pole. We'll
Speaker 5: do it through toll about eight o'clock. What I was
Speaker 5: curious to know is, and I was having this discussion
Speaker 5: with a friend during the week, would most of us
Speaker 5: have in our contacts on our phone and a contact
Speaker 5: for let's say a carpenter, a sparky electrician, and a plumber.
Speaker 5: And my sense was that as we kind of become
Speaker 5: a little bit more dislocated from the trades, less and
Speaker 5: less people would have or fewer people would have those
Speaker 5: contacts readily at hand, I in your contact list on
Speaker 5: your phone. And so that's what we're doing a poll on.
Speaker 5: Thus far, it's a about twenty five people who have
Speaker 5: pulled through, so it's just a yes no answer have
Speaker 5: said yes they do, and at discount only about four
Speaker 5: or five have said no they don't, which kind of
Speaker 5: surprised me. So we'll run that through to eight o'clock
Speaker 5: this morning. Remember also, we've got our painting expert, Bryce
Speaker 5: McDermott will be on the line in about fifteen minutes,
Speaker 5: so if you've got any specific painting questions, please text
Speaker 5: them through right now. There we go, New.
Speaker 6: Ah.
Speaker 5: A couple more texts are coming in for our unscientific
Speaker 5: I make no apologies for the fact that it's unscientific. However, Paul,
Speaker 5: who has far greater insight into these things than I do,
Speaker 5: Pete b Ree, you or unscientific poll, given that those
Speaker 5: responding and listening to a very good building DII show.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Paul. I'm not surprised that the majority would
Speaker 5: have trade contacts. It would be interesting to poll the
Speaker 5: general population might be a different result. True, But all
Speaker 5: I've got is you guys, which I'm happy to be
Speaker 5: with today. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is I
Speaker 5: love this one? Yes to all three, but only because
Speaker 5: they're a mix of brother and two cousins. On the upside,
Speaker 5: they do help out for free, and man, I love
Speaker 5: that side of things. You know that still exists. I
Speaker 5: think for a lot of kiwis that the kind of
Speaker 5: ring up a mate who knows a mate who comes
Speaker 5: around and sorts stuff out. Or if you're an older
Speaker 5: trade and you've got kids, I mean the number of
Speaker 5: trades that I talk to have got you know, sort
Speaker 5: of adult children. Oh yeah, I working at the daughter's
Speaker 5: place today. That that's a pretty common thing too. I
Speaker 5: think my time will come. I eight hundred eighty ten
Speaker 5: eighty is the number to call. So I mentioned the
Speaker 5: issue about the homes dot co dot nz information homestock
Speaker 5: code ot nz is not a listing right, So someone texts,
Speaker 5: I want it to just call the agent. Well, it's
Speaker 5: not on the agent's website. It's on the homes dot
Speaker 5: code dot Nz website where photographs from another property which
Speaker 5: I know, appear on a property that happens to be
Speaker 5: too draws down which is incorrect. And I wanted to
Speaker 5: contact them to say that's incorrect. You know, is it incorrect?
Speaker 5: Is it misleading? Well it is, because that's not that
Speaker 5: house anyway. They haven't replied, just leading, you know. Oh
Speaker 5: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
Speaker 6: Same thing?
Speaker 5: Read my home someone texts wrong in phone photos for
Speaker 5: my address. Was told they could not change it. What
Speaker 5: do you mean they can't change it? Everything's changeable only
Speaker 5: trading in my phone's a mechanic fabulous love that Bevan greetings,
Speaker 5: Hey Pete.
Speaker 14: Be trading in the phone. We've done quite a few renovations.
Speaker 14: But we've got we've got every possible and I'll tell you,
Speaker 14: I'll tell you there's a multiple reasons why. And we've
Speaker 14: done it too obviously. I put it under a builder
Speaker 14: or electrical plumber, guests for a plus for a planner,
Speaker 14: architecke whatever, followed by the mate.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah that's closely yep.
Speaker 14: Yeah, because you know what when I'm on a boy's
Speaker 14: trip away or if I've died, my wife needs to
Speaker 14: know how to access that stuff. Yes, so we've done
Speaker 14: two things. One we've got the same pink code on
Speaker 14: our phone, so she didn't open my phone. And two
Speaker 14: I've shared it and put it on her phone. Oh,
Speaker 14: if I'm away in and there's a leak and you
Speaker 14: know something like the guess, she can look up guests
Speaker 14: for it, and there's two, two or three of them.
Speaker 14: Mere she can take a picture. She can't get the
Speaker 14: first guy or girl. How brilliant and it's easy, and
Speaker 14: you know what the amount of clients and friends. I've
Speaker 14: shared that to your phone, you know, like the someone
Speaker 14: wants a cobblestone Mayer here it is cobblestone Mayer Gordon.
Speaker 6: Yea.
Speaker 7: It makes it so easy.
Speaker 14: So go that step further, either share your pink code
Speaker 14: with your wife or put those trades on her phone,
Speaker 14: because it's probably the hassle when you're away trying to go.
Speaker 14: You know, you don't want to be getting a call
Speaker 14: to figure out who talk to him.
Speaker 5: And so it's really and I do quite like that
Speaker 5: with and I've got sort of the same thing in
Speaker 5: my phone that often it will be John, and then
Speaker 5: in brackets plumber, you know John Sparky.
Speaker 14: If your wife doesn't know it's John.
Speaker 5: Yes, but then you just search for a spark.
Speaker 14: I suppose, yeah, I yes, I.
Speaker 6: Mean I do.
Speaker 5: But there I looked through my phone the other day
Speaker 5: because you know it's a tool, right, and I go
Speaker 5: I went into I just went into count into contexts.
Speaker 5: Actually total number of contexts two thousand and eighty two. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I'm thinking, I'm we and we never call them.
Speaker 5: I did say it was a producer. To be fair,
Speaker 5: some of them are people who have passed away. I
Speaker 5: just don't want to lose their numbers. So anyway, Hey Mack,
Speaker 5: thanks very much for the call. You have a great
Speaker 5: day all of us. Take care by then, uh three
Speaker 5: trades of my phone context list is my husband? He
Speaker 5: does all three. We might need to talk about that,
Speaker 5: to be fair. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
Speaker 5: number sent through your painting questions as well. Because Bryce,
Speaker 5: our painting expert from Razine, will be with us in
Speaker 5: about ten minutes or so, so we'll take your questions
Speaker 5: on all things painting as well. Eight hundred eighty ten
Speaker 5: eighty is the number two call, Hey, Dave, good morning
Speaker 5: to you.
Speaker 6: Oh hello today, Dave.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, I've just been listening to your talk back
Speaker 10: here for half an hour and more now, and it's
Speaker 10: it's quite interestingly different things people are saying about building
Speaker 10: and that, but our work as a painter decorator. I'm
Speaker 10: retired actually.
Speaker 7: Yes still.
Speaker 10: And one thing I've noticed as a trend over for
Speaker 10: quite a few years now of the obsession with the
Speaker 10: color of black, yeah, especially roofs. And I've traveled a
Speaker 10: bit to Japan and Australia come back in God, what's
Speaker 10: gone wrong with New Zealand? We're gone to this depressing color.
Speaker 10: I actually went to a new house the other day
Speaker 10: to do a bit of work and I've got a shop.
Speaker 10: When I saw this house, it had to be how
Speaker 10: diliest thing I've ever seen. It was actually squeer like
Speaker 10: a shed.
Speaker 4: It was all.
Speaker 10: Corrugated iron, beautiful outside, and it was painted black.
Speaker 5: Gorgeous.
Speaker 10: Oh my god, what happened? But there seems that I'm
Speaker 10: just like to me, it seems to be a tree
Speaker 10: in now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, people do want dark colors. And look, I did
Speaker 5: a little project where we added a sleepout slash office
Speaker 5: at the back and I wanted that to kind of
Speaker 5: just disappear in the backyard, and so we ended up
Speaker 5: painting at a really dark color as it happens, because
Speaker 5: it's a dark color, and some of like some of
Speaker 5: it was corrugated cladding corri of iron cladding, so that's
Speaker 5: baked in so roof and two walls Corrigo dye for durability.
Speaker 5: Other two walls were battened and board, but I wanted
Speaker 5: them to be dark. Ended up using the Raisin Cool
Speaker 5: color system, so you can do that because otherwise dark
Speaker 5: colors on timber is not recommended, and in fact it
Speaker 5: might avoid the warranty. But look, people do want it.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't find it, Like I don't mind.
Speaker 5: My own house is a light color, right. The project
Speaker 5: that we did, we painted it black white. It's basically
Speaker 5: stark white. So I just think if people want to
Speaker 5: individualize themselves and that sort of thing, I certainly have
Speaker 5: no issue around painting something dark or having a dark house,
Speaker 5: as long as you understand how it performs in terms
Speaker 5: of heat retention, and also that you're choosing the right
Speaker 5: materials so that it doesn't impact on durability of the paint. System.
Speaker 5: But a funny thing was Dave two the other day.
Speaker 5: I was yesterday, literally I left these gardens just outside
Speaker 5: of Ashburton on the out on Racecourse Road I think
Speaker 5: it was, and I was heading back in and there
Speaker 5: was a new build going on and it was exactly
Speaker 5: what you were talking about. It was dark, basically black
Speaker 5: corrugated iron. And as I drove past, the kind of
Speaker 5: look back and what it was was basically five garages.
Speaker 5: I kid you not five garages and then a little
Speaker 5: house at the end. And I'm like, hmm, okay, I
Speaker 5: get that. Actually it's about the right proportion. Five garages,
Speaker 5: small house at the end. That'll work. Oh wait, one
Speaker 5: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call
Speaker 5: a couple of text messages. Oh now we're getting a
Speaker 5: bunch of texts for Bryce, which is awesome because he's
Speaker 5: on the line. We're going to talk to Bryce McDermott,
Speaker 5: our painting expert from Razine straight after the break. If
Speaker 5: you've got a specific painting question, text them through to
Speaker 5: me right now. And a very good morning and a
Speaker 5: warm welcome to you, Bryce McDermott. Thanks for getting up
Speaker 5: extra early on a good on daylight Savings morning?
Speaker 6: How are you? Bryce?
Speaker 5: Hello?
Speaker 6: Bryce?
Speaker 7: Oops?
Speaker 5: Sorry, mate, there we go, there you go, gotcha? Yeah
Speaker 5: you are indeed, Hey, thank you very much. I mean,
Speaker 5: I know it's always it's a little bit of a
Speaker 5: struggle when we swap into daylight saving. So thanks for
Speaker 5: joining us this morning.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I've forgot to put the clock forward instantly
Speaker 7: left an hour?
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, I set the car yesterday. But now
Speaker 5: I'm sure most of us now walk up to the
Speaker 5: microwave into the oven and go, now, how do I
Speaker 5: change the time again? I inevitably have to go back
Speaker 5: to the instruction manual. Anyway, that's not what we're here
Speaker 5: to talk about. We're into spring officially, we're into daylight
Speaker 5: saving officially. A lot of us are starting to think
Speaker 5: about exterior painting. So before painting is prep. Top things
Speaker 5: to do with prep?
Speaker 6: Right? Yeah, Well, the.
Speaker 7: First thing is just to go through the shed, I
Speaker 7: would imagine, and make sure that you go all the
Speaker 7: gear that you need.
Speaker 6: You know, your.
Speaker 7: Extension cords and your ladders and everything like that are
Speaker 7: up to scratch. Yes, you know, your roll with sleeves
Speaker 7: and your tools and your paint brushes and all that
Speaker 7: sort of stuff. Just have a good flassic through and
Speaker 7: just make sure you're all ready to go.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 5: And then in terms of actual prep, you know, if
Speaker 5: it's the classic weatherboard house, maybe it's get you know,
Speaker 5: getting to that point where you're starting to see a
Speaker 5: bit of flaking or losing some color and maybe there's
Speaker 5: a little bit of rock developing. You know, if it's
Speaker 5: not the complete strip back, typically, what's the process for
Speaker 5: that prep prior to painting, Well, you.
Speaker 7: Know, you need to wash the area down to know
Speaker 7: who's our house washing paint prep, you know, scrub the
Speaker 7: building down and just get rid of any dust and
Speaker 7: moss and mold and stuff, and then scrape and send
Speaker 7: any any loose and flaking areas and spot prime those
Speaker 7: and then to recoating. You know, when the weather is
Speaker 7: to scratch sort of thing. It's not looking at great
Speaker 7: at the moment, but you know it's still a little
Speaker 7: bit cold for September, yeah, which will be October very shortly,
Speaker 7: but it's still quite a little bit cold for this
Speaker 7: time of the year.
Speaker 5: That I thought, Yeah, so again you've got to be
Speaker 5: very aware of that that you don't want to be
Speaker 5: painting too early in the morning and leave enough time
Speaker 5: for it to dry in the afternoons.
Speaker 7: Yeah, between ten and two when it dry quite cold.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, brilliant. Like, let's rip into a couple of questions.
Speaker 5: We've got some doozies. Good morning, Peat and Brice. I've
Speaker 5: just used dura groove, which is a fiber cement panel
Speaker 5: for interior lining. How do I prepare for painting and
Speaker 5: what paint do I use? So dura groove is probably
Speaker 5: like a looks like a tongue groove sheet, but it
Speaker 5: is fiber cement and it's on the interior. So what's
Speaker 5: the process?
Speaker 7: Well, I mean providing it's all dust free and brand
Speaker 7: new and everything like that. You know, you could use
Speaker 7: in a correct prime and like quick dry, you know,
Speaker 7: paint that up and and whatever your Topkate color is
Speaker 7: going to be. Because it's interior, a quick drive be
Speaker 7: absolutely fine.
Speaker 5: I would have made right, okay. And then would you
Speaker 5: like just trying to think how they might have fixed it,
Speaker 5: whether it's they've pinned it on or screwed it on.
Speaker 5: Would you fill the holes before priming or would you
Speaker 5: prime it then fill the holes then spot prime?
Speaker 7: I would probably hmmm, yes, I would probably prime before
Speaker 7: before you've you know, you put the yeah filler and
Speaker 7: then fill them then spot prime.
Speaker 5: Absolutely all right, that's awesome. Now, someone who wants to
Speaker 5: paint seiling battings, skirts, and architraves that are currently polyurethane,
Speaker 5: So how best to achieve that process? Wide? So polyurethane
Speaker 5: on skirts, architraves and ceiling batons, painting.
Speaker 7: Them okay, give them a good clean down, yep, and
Speaker 7: just lightly send them up for a tenant to provide
Speaker 7: a key. And then you can use a new product
Speaker 7: of ours called water board and sure seal, which will
Speaker 7: stick quite happily to polyuythane type surfaces and things like that,
Speaker 7: and then proceed with a paint color over the top
Speaker 7: and acrylic undercoat or even an oil undercoat. But you know,
Speaker 7: waterboard sure seal is awesome for sticking for that sort
Speaker 7: of stuff.
Speaker 5: Awesome. Okay. Now, exterior timber vertical weather boards that have
Speaker 5: been oiled, people are thinking about painting them as a
Speaker 5: long lasting option. The oiling is well over board, so
Speaker 5: the boards look well overduice, so the boards look pretty dry.
Speaker 5: Best course of.
Speaker 7: Action hmmm, oiled, I'm goin to.
Speaker 14: Oil.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, like like a Dryden's or a wood
Speaker 7: x or something like that. Yes, in which case there's
Speaker 7: probably not a lot you can do because you know,
Speaker 7: mineral oils look like they've disappeared on the surface, but
Speaker 7: they're actually still floating around inside the timber fibers, and
Speaker 7: oil painting them and or undercoating them, which you'd have
Speaker 7: to do with an oil undercoat, would actually draw the
Speaker 7: oils out and it would you know, the paint would
Speaker 7: basically start peeling away and basic. So you know, if
Speaker 7: it's an oil, a mineral oil, especially you've had it
Speaker 7: basically you have to stick with a mineral oil to
Speaker 7: carry on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, So it's important then that you try and
Speaker 5: do some research as to what's already on there to
Speaker 5: make sure that you've got compatibility. Okay.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: If it's a standard penetrating stain like Woodsman or something
Speaker 7: like that, you'd be fine. Yep, you just have to
Speaker 7: put an oil based wood primer on it. But if
Speaker 7: it's a mineral oil, then you need to watch out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now, someone that has moved and recently
Speaker 5: and the inside of the garage is in need of
Speaker 5: a paint. They found an almost full can of and
Speaker 5: it happens to be a not razine paint, so we'll
Speaker 5: leave that out for a second. Exterior lochine x so
Speaker 5: an old can of exterior lo sheine paint. What I mean,
Speaker 5: like I to be fair, I use some polyurethane the
Speaker 5: other day that I bought in twenty sixteen, right, and
Speaker 5: I sent a photograph actually to you, mate, Jay and
Speaker 5: when look at me, buddy, Horder hanging on to old paint.
Speaker 5: But it seems to be okay. But there is kind
Speaker 5: of a golden rule around how long you can keep paint.
Speaker 5: Isn't there before it's it's no longer good?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it depends on how it's stored. Right, you know,
Speaker 7: if the can is air tight, you know, you might
Speaker 7: be okay with it. Yes, with a crylics you know,
Speaker 7: this ear gets in obviously they'll just yep, you'll get
Speaker 7: a big thick skin on the top of it. Either
Speaker 7: that or you know, after a period of time, they
Speaker 7: actually start to go off, you know.
Speaker 6: And they smell bad.
Speaker 7: So check it out first.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you open the lid and it smells bad,
Speaker 5: like that classic rotten egg smell, then go and recycle
Speaker 5: the paint, get rid of it and buy some proper.
Speaker 7: Page down to one of our stores and get it recycled.
Speaker 5: Brilliant, brilliant. Now someone wants to paint their shed an
Speaker 5: iron shed, so you know, maybe sort of a pre
Speaker 5: coated iron shed. What would they need to PreK or
Speaker 5: to undercoat first?
Speaker 6: What product?
Speaker 7: If it is color steel, then we have a product
Speaker 7: called pre coated steel Primer that you can put that
Speaker 7: on if you've done on your preparation and spot priming
Speaker 7: and checking for rust and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 7: And then two coats of Summit roof, which is lochene
Speaker 7: roof paint. But you know, you can use it on
Speaker 7: color steel types situations. If it's just plain old beer
Speaker 7: old galvanized iron, then you'd have to go to Galveoux one.
Speaker 7: But again, preparation and treating rust and all that sort
Speaker 7: of stuff is the best thing to do.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Interesting, when we've talked a bit about preparation, I
Speaker 5: have to say the difference between you know, typically we
Speaker 5: would talk about preparation being I'm just going to hit
Speaker 5: it with a water blaster, right, so I want to
Speaker 5: paint the outside the house, I'm just going to hit
Speaker 5: it with a water blaster. One that can have unintended
Speaker 5: consequences in terms of ripping through the paint and rumbling
Speaker 5: the paint and all the rest of it. But also
Speaker 5: using a proper proprietary house wash makes a massive difference,
Speaker 5: doesn't it. That's worth investing in guaranteed when you want
Speaker 5: to do some paint prep is use a proprietary paint
Speaker 5: prep solution.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Well, you know we've got our house washing paint prep
Speaker 7: which you can use just to clean the house down. Yes,
Speaker 7: if you don't want to paint, you know, you can
Speaker 7: use it to clean your house down. And you know
Speaker 7: it just lists it again and make it just lifts
Speaker 7: all the gun jo off. You know, we've got a
Speaker 7: muss and mold killer that it will rip through a
Speaker 7: whole lot of moss and mold. We've got our timber
Speaker 7: and deck wash that you use for preparing your deck
Speaker 7: before you restain. And you know, we've got a number
Speaker 7: of cleaners that you know and do all sorts of things.
Speaker 7: You know, we've got even a heavy duty housewash and
Speaker 7: paint prep that cuts through grease and stuff like that.
Speaker 7: And they're all water boards.
Speaker 6: Okay, it's all good stuff.
Speaker 14: You know.
Speaker 7: You mix them with water and follow the instructions and
Speaker 7: things will happen.
Speaker 5: Right, I must. My ears pricked up when you said
Speaker 5: heavy duty. That sounds like a bit of me, right quick.
Speaker 5: A couple of questions before we go dilimma to paint
Speaker 5: or stain deck boards and battons. What's the easiest for
Speaker 5: future on care going forward? So painting or staining? Yeah,
Speaker 5: for deck boards. I mean painting a deck means you're
Speaker 5: going to have to repaint it, and I would have
Speaker 5: thought the preparation is much more significant.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, if it's stained now, then we'll just nip
Speaker 7: back to the timber and deck wash that we were
Speaker 7: just talking about.
Speaker 6: Yep, you give that a.
Speaker 7: Good scrub down. It actually opened to timber fibers or
Speaker 7: removes all the gunge and all that sort of horrible
Speaker 7: stuff that's on the deck and renders it ready for restaining.
Speaker 7: But you can still use it if you wish to paint.
Speaker 7: But then you'd have to go to an oil based
Speaker 7: wood primer and something like our walk on paving paint
Speaker 7: if you wanted to paint it.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Okay, Actually there's another one that's come through really
Speaker 5: good question. Actually, morning, can you paint old palaside plastic
Speaker 5: type weatherboards they're on a beach front area, so it's
Speaker 5: an older style PVC weatherboard. If you wanted to paint it,
Speaker 5: what would be the keying element?
Speaker 7: Stay away from a dark color for us, right, okay, yep,
Speaker 7: And you know dark colors, even cool colors will absorb
Speaker 7: you know, a lot of heat. If you paint them dark,
Speaker 7: then you can actually walk the color side cleanly. Sure, yep,
Speaker 7: but they'll need a really good clean down and to
Speaker 7: make sure that you know, with the housewash and paint
Speaker 7: prep to make sure that you know the surface is
Speaker 7: nice and clean. Yes, but with PBC you can generally
Speaker 7: just put them the croock coating straight over the top
Speaker 7: of it. Yeah, you don't need a prime or anything
Speaker 7: like that, you know, downpipes and things like that, you know,
Speaker 7: providing they're nice and clean, yes, it's they're okay to
Speaker 7: paint straight away, but make sure that you stay away
Speaker 7: from a dark color with that to the material.
Speaker 5: And this is a great one to end on, probably
Speaker 5: a dumb question, No, no such thing. How do you
Speaker 5: recycle paint and what does it end up? Where does
Speaker 5: it go?
Speaker 7: Well, you know, the easiest thing to do is is
Speaker 7: throw them in the back of the car. And drive
Speaker 7: down to one of our color shops. Yep, you know,
Speaker 7: the starf there will help you and sort through it
Speaker 7: and make sure that this. You know that all the
Speaker 7: cans are in good condition. There's nothing left inside them
Speaker 7: like an old roll asleep or a rag or a
Speaker 7: brush that somebody's lost. But yes, you know what happens
Speaker 7: if the paint is reusable, it gets seen away and
Speaker 7: the good paint all gets mixed up and turned into
Speaker 7: you know, anti graffiti sort of control stuff. You know,
Speaker 7: like a basic sort of browns and vases or what
Speaker 7: have you. But you know it's good for graffiti control
Speaker 7: for you know, community groups and stuff like that. The
Speaker 7: plastic buckets providing their raisine buckets gets ground up and
Speaker 7: recycled and turned into new rasine buckets. The metal four
Speaker 7: leader cans, one liter of cans and stuff. The metal
Speaker 7: actually gets recycled.
Speaker 5: Brilliant. It's quite a process, but it is, you know,
Speaker 5: it's it's not I'll be absolutely brunt. It's not greenwashing, right,
Speaker 5: So if you return your old paint to the Razine
Speaker 5: color shops, it does go to recycling of it. In fact,
Speaker 5: I've been out to one of the recycling plants. To
Speaker 5: see what they do in terms of separating different types
Speaker 5: of paint out what can be reused, what can be repurposed,
Speaker 5: and then recycling the tin. So you know, it's a
Speaker 5: it's a fantastic service. I have to say, MM.
Speaker 7: If you walk around their head office, they basically used
Speaker 7: old acrylic paint as an dative to cement. They've got
Speaker 7: these paved areas that have got paint in the cement.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure actually what it does, but that's what
Speaker 7: they've done with it. Also, we also we will take
Speaker 7: solvent as well and they get gent off to solvent
Speaker 7: reclamation and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Fantastic Again, thank you very much for getting out just
Speaker 5: that little bit extra early on this first day Daylight saving.
Speaker 5: Bryce McDermott from Razine Color Shops, thank you very much
Speaker 5: for your time and your expertise. Really appreciate it. You
Speaker 5: have a great day. Take care Bryce all the very bit.
Speaker 6: Bye bye.
Speaker 5: Then your news talk se'd B will continue to talk
Speaker 5: all things building right through to all about eight thirty.
Speaker 5: We're going to do a quick interview with Hamish Firth,
Speaker 5: a planner from Mount Hobson Group. If you caught up
Speaker 5: with comments, I was Actuan Wellington last weekend or last
Speaker 5: week listening to Heather as I was walking around the waterfront,
Speaker 5: Chris Bishop was on saying, Hey, we've got some ideas
Speaker 5: around revising and re looking at the Resource Management Act.
Speaker 5: What's that going to mean for building? We'll have a
Speaker 5: quick chat with Hamish Firth about that, but we'll take
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Speaker 5: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number taking your calls.
Speaker 5: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty All Things Building and Construction
Speaker 5: this morning on the show, quick text before we talk
Speaker 5: to Jackie Pete. A neighbor has built a garden shed
Speaker 5: hard up against the concrete block wall of our house.
Speaker 5: Is that legal if we need to do some maintenance
Speaker 5: and paint We need to do some maintenance and painting,
Speaker 5: but the shed is in the way. What can we do? Well,
Speaker 5: the shed's in the wrong place, the neighbor's shed. They
Speaker 5: have absolutely no right to build, certainly not especially if
Speaker 5: they've attached something to your block wall. So you know,
Speaker 5: I'm sort of got this picture of maybe a ribben
Speaker 5: plate being bolted on and then rafters being pitched off there,
Speaker 5: so your wall becomes one of the four walls of
Speaker 5: the shed. But even if that wasn't the case, if
Speaker 5: the shed is hard up against your block wall, that's
Speaker 5: non compliant. So the rule of thumb for garden sheds,
Speaker 5: and please don't laugh because hardly anyone does this, but
Speaker 5: the rule of thumb is that it should be the
Speaker 5: height of the shed away from the boundary. So you know,
Speaker 5: even if it's a relatively compact one one point eight meters,
Speaker 5: it should be one point eight meters away from the boundary. So,
Speaker 5: you know, never an easy conversation, but it might just
Speaker 5: be a conversation with a neighbor to say, hey, I'm
Speaker 5: really sorry. Here are the guidelines and you'll find them online.
Speaker 5: You just can't put it that close. Oh eight hundred
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighties the number to call Jackie. Good morning
Speaker 5: to you, good morning, thank you.
Speaker 9: For taking my call.
Speaker 5: Leasure.
Speaker 9: I said, I just said a question.
Speaker 6: Please.
Speaker 9: I've just done up a bathroom in a farmhouse and
Speaker 9: I changed the shower from being a curtain to a door. Yes,
Speaker 9: and doing so, the toilet had to be moved to
Speaker 9: allow the doors open without having a move. Now, the
Speaker 9: toilet is extremely close to the wall right where they've
Speaker 9: put it, like really closely when the page is never
Speaker 9: and a chat on it. You know, a man, you
Speaker 9: hit your shoulder.
Speaker 5: On the wall.
Speaker 9: Oh, okay, is there a minimum distance from a wall
Speaker 9: and can it? Can toilets be moved sideways a little bit,
Speaker 9: let's say about even one hundred mills would make a difference.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, To be fair, whenever I've been setting out
Speaker 5: bathrooms and sort of you know, designing them or thinking
Speaker 5: about how i want to orientate the space, I've typically
Speaker 5: aimed to have four hundred and fifty millimeters from the
Speaker 5: center of the toilet from the pan to the sidewall.
Speaker 5: So ideally you need a space of about nine hundred
Speaker 5: millimeters and then the toilet goes in the middle of
Speaker 5: that space, and that just gives you look, it's basically
Speaker 5: room to move your arms right, and you need to
Speaker 5: move your arms to do your business on the toilet.
Speaker 5: That's what I've always worked for. Whether or not there
Speaker 5: is a specific requirement in the building code in terms
Speaker 5: of functionality, i'd have to go away and have a
Speaker 5: look at that, but I've always worked on this four
Speaker 5: point fifty raw. It could be a little bit less,
Speaker 5: but anything less than that starts to feel really cramped.
Speaker 9: Well, this is three hundred three hundred, yes.
Speaker 5: From the edge of the bowl, let's say, to the wall,
Speaker 5: or from the center of the bowl, from the center
Speaker 5: of oh crikey.
Speaker 9: Yes, Because I went into some manuals where you know,
Speaker 9: house manuals or bathroom manuals, and I looked and I
Speaker 9: saw that most of them were four fifty and I'm yeah,
Speaker 9: so this is extremely close. I feel question.
Speaker 14: Shifted.
Speaker 9: So everything being done, lino's been done, and.
Speaker 5: The boards that you know, yeah, yeah, so you'd have
Speaker 5: to redo the lino because chances are there won't be
Speaker 5: enough movement there for the base of the pan to
Speaker 5: cover the penetration through the floor. So you may need
Speaker 5: to do the lino. And you know, I mean, you
Speaker 5: can patch liner, but ideally you don't want joins in
Speaker 5: ther lino, particularly not around a toilet. And then obviously,
Speaker 5: you know these days, most of the time the penetration
Speaker 5: the water feed for the system system comes through the
Speaker 5: wall and is kind of concealed by the system itself,
Speaker 5: in which case that will need the wall we need
Speaker 5: to be cut open, and that moved along and then patched.
Speaker 7: And so on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's a fath, isn't it to do it? Look,
Speaker 5: it can be done, and if you had the space,
Speaker 5: obviously long term, you'd want to do it. But I
Speaker 5: don't know that i'd be that terribly happy with the
Speaker 5: plumber who went ahead and did it. And it's one
Speaker 5: of those things where you know, as a tradesperson, you know,
Speaker 5: you might like you might have laid out the bathroom
Speaker 5: and then the trades person comes along and the plumber
Speaker 5: in this case and goes, actually, you know what, my
Speaker 5: experience would tell me that that's not going to work
Speaker 5: particularly well. A quick phone call to go, hey, Jackie,
Speaker 5: are you aware that the way that it's laid out
Speaker 5: at the moment, it's going to be really close. Do
Speaker 5: you want to come and have a look or should
Speaker 5: I move it over or something like that? You know,
Speaker 5: just whacking it in sound particularly professional to me.
Speaker 9: No, Well, I left the plumber to do all the
Speaker 9: install of the shower and the toilet and the vanity.
Speaker 4: Of course.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just and the set out of all of
Speaker 5: this was it from a plan or just the plumber
Speaker 5: working in that space making their own decisions.
Speaker 9: A plumber working in that space.
Speaker 14: Was purchased.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so if it's three hundred milimeters from one wall,
Speaker 5: what's the distance to the next sort of obstacle on
Speaker 5: the other side.
Speaker 9: Is it the shower the shower door, Yes, the shower
Speaker 9: door that opens, but ah, if you swing the door open,
Speaker 9: it's a tight little bathroom if you swing the door
Speaker 9: about one hundred and fifty mils or before you hitched
Speaker 9: the toilet, if you swung the door open.
Speaker 4: If that made sense right.
Speaker 5: In defense of the plumber. It may also be one
Speaker 5: of those things where until you've actually got the shower
Speaker 5: in place, you don't all always know exactly where the
Speaker 5: shower door is going to swing. The arc of the
Speaker 5: shower door because it might pivot on a hinge. It
Speaker 5: might be on a hinge, it might you know. That's
Speaker 5: that sort of thing. So working that out, and I
Speaker 5: wonder if they've taken a cautious approach and moved the
Speaker 5: toilet further away to make sure they don't have that
Speaker 5: embarrassing situation where you've put the toilet in, you've assembled
Speaker 5: the shower, you go to open the door and it
Speaker 5: hits the toilet, right, So I get it from a
Speaker 5: practical point of view, but three hundred millimeters from the
Speaker 5: center to the side, is that that's not going to
Speaker 5: be a happy place Japan.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, look, it can be changed, but ideally you
Speaker 5: don't want to patch in your lineer either. But yes,
Speaker 5: it can be changed, yeah, I think so. Yeah, Otherwise
Speaker 5: it's just going to be one of those frustrating things
Speaker 5: every time you're in that space. All the very best.
Speaker 5: Take care, yeah, take care of Jackie Bob. Then I
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty will take your call straight
Speaker 5: after News Sport and we're the top of the are
Speaker 5: We're also going to have a bit of a conversation
Speaker 5: with Hamish Firth, who is, in his own words, a
Speaker 5: good old fashioned planner, and that he is indeed around
Speaker 5: some proposed changes to the Resource Management Act. And I'll
Speaker 5: ask him about skinks as well, but that question will
Speaker 5: become obvious as to why I might be asking that
Speaker 5: in the next hour. I'll do it tally up as
Speaker 5: well about unscientific, unreliable, kind of off the cuff pole
Speaker 5: about do you have contacts for trades people in your
Speaker 5: phone and it seems like most of us do. Which,
Speaker 5: to be fair, someone's pointed out it's a program about building.
Speaker 5: Of course people have got contacts for builders. If you're
Speaker 5: listening to a building show, that's a fair point. Oh
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can give us call
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Speaker 11: In a nasty word.
Speaker 8: So shine good.
Speaker 5: Your news. Talk's that'd be people wolf camp with you,
Speaker 5: resident builder, right through till nine o'clock. Let's call it
Speaker 5: nine o'clock this morning. Rud will be joining us at
Speaker 5: about eight thirty. Just a couple of responses to the
Speaker 5: text I mentioned before the news. I'm not sure that
Speaker 5: people are quite getting the full picture. One text reply.
Speaker 5: So the issue was the person who text and has
Speaker 5: got a block boundary wall, and then a neighbor has
Speaker 5: put up a shed right up against that block wall.
Speaker 5: Now they need to do some painting and some maintenance.
Speaker 5: They can't do it because the shed blocks access to
Speaker 5: the wall. A couple of people of texts and goes.
Speaker 5: Isn't it amusing that when one person is a shed
Speaker 5: the block wall on the boundary and gets annoyed that
Speaker 5: their neighbor puts a shed also directly on the boundary
Speaker 5: because it stops them being able to paint their shed. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but the point is that I presume, let's assume that
Speaker 5: the block wall has a consent for being on the boundary,
Speaker 5: the shed would not. That's why the shed has to move.
Speaker 5: That's how I would have seen it. Yes, so that's
Speaker 5: how that works. Anyway, we'll discuss that a bit later on.
Speaker 5: During the course of the week. See last week I
Speaker 5: listened to an interview with Heather duplic Allen here at
Speaker 5: Newstalk SeeDB talking with Chris Bishop, who is the minister
Speaker 5: looking at changes to the Resource Management Act. And I'm
Speaker 5: guessing that for most of us who have ever done
Speaker 5: a building project, or essentially a building project, whether that's
Speaker 5: a renovation, alteration, new build, or a development, we've encountered
Speaker 5: the Resource Management Act and over the years there's been
Speaker 5: a tremendous amount of frustration with it in terms of
Speaker 5: its complexity, the scope of it, and potentially the cost
Speaker 5: that it adds to building projects. So that's up for
Speaker 5: a review at the moment. Chris Bishop has announced that
Speaker 5: there will be some significant changes to get a bit
Speaker 5: of an insight into this from someone who knows the
Speaker 5: Resource Management Act inside out. It is my great pleasure
Speaker 5: to welcome back to the show Hamish Firth from Mount
Speaker 5: Hobson Group. Good morning, Hamish.
Speaker 6: Peter, good morning.
Speaker 5: Can I just start with if someone hasn't encountered the
Speaker 5: Resource Management Act because they know they've never done it, Like,
Speaker 5: what's it there for? In a nutshell?
Speaker 6: The Resource Management is there to guide development potential and
Speaker 6: to protect the environment.
Speaker 5: Okay, that makes sense, There's nothing wrong with that. So
Speaker 5: how has it become the beer myth that it has
Speaker 5: become now? And I'm thinking about the chap he was
Speaker 5: in the paper last week who wants to develop a
Speaker 5: house site in the Waite Tuckeries and has to pay
Speaker 5: for some ecological survey because there might be a native
Speaker 5: skink in the area. It's going to cost him tens
Speaker 5: of thousands of dollars? Is he having to do that
Speaker 5: because of the Resource Management Act?
Speaker 6: Absolutely? And I think what happens. Getting a resource consent
Speaker 6: has become like a privilege. So you should feel honored
Speaker 6: to get one of these now if you own a
Speaker 6: section in the Wackies where there might be some native bush. Yep,
Speaker 6: you should have a right to build a house subject
Speaker 6: to fulfilling some What I would say is simple obligations.
Speaker 6: What I get the sense of happen is it's become
Speaker 6: and I'm part of this, a gravy training. So do
Speaker 6: you want me to do a report? Of course I'll do,
Speaker 6: and you're going to pay me. Of course we need that.
Speaker 6: And then it's gone from requiring to needing to be telling.
Speaker 6: What I would say is some of it costs more
Speaker 6: sometimes to get the piece of paper all longer than
Speaker 6: it takes to do the job itself.
Speaker 5: Right, And I mean, I guess in its intent it
Speaker 5: was there to protect and I agree, if we're going
Speaker 5: to use a resource, we need to manage it. So
Speaker 5: the Resource Management Act makes sense. But surely in its
Speaker 5: intent originally it would have been around you know, Sylvia
Speaker 5: Park wants to be developed, right, so we've got this
Speaker 5: massive impact on neighbors and transport and infrastructure. Surely that
Speaker 5: developer needs to go along and go I need a
Speaker 5: resource consent for that. But you know, if I'm I
Speaker 5: don't know, adding on to the back of my house
Speaker 5: and it not impacting the streetscape. In fact, I had
Speaker 5: one little while ago where a small alteration to the
Speaker 5: back of a house in a heritage area triggered a
Speaker 5: requirement for a resource consent and you couldn't even see
Speaker 5: the changes from the street, and you kind of go, so,
Speaker 5: why are they worried about that?
Speaker 6: Well, whether it's what you talk about the small French
Speaker 6: doors at the back of the house that there might
Speaker 6: have some inherited jelly where we're effectively replacing lightful like,
Speaker 6: or whether we're building Sylvia Park, Peter, it's all been
Speaker 6: done before, right, And the wonderful thing about Sylvia Park
Speaker 6: and the French doors at the back of the property
Speaker 6: is that if we took a more common fence approach,
Speaker 6: we'd say, oh, we've done Sylvia Park. It wasn't as
Speaker 6: bad as what we thought. Oh we've replaced French doors before.
Speaker 6: It wasn't as bad as what we thought. But what's
Speaker 6: actually happened is it's as if the French doors in
Speaker 6: Sylvia Park are the first time we've ever seen these things,
Speaker 6: don't you, And it is if the council has never
Speaker 6: seen one of these before. So what I get the
Speaker 6: sense as well is that there is a lacking of
Speaker 6: common sense, the lacking of good judgment, a lacking of
Speaker 6: the Latin term deminimus, of a trifle of minor, of
Speaker 6: something of minor. Most kin sents are either very localized
Speaker 6: or at best regionalized. I flew from the beautiful Fukatani
Speaker 6: yesterday and I saw a soul of and you know
Speaker 6: the first thing I thought, pete, which is quite bad.
Speaker 6: Maybe I need help, some therapy. Was I wonder how
Speaker 6: bloody long it took me to get their resource content.
Speaker 6: I then though over the Yi gold mine and on
Speaker 6: the ground, and I thought that would never ever, ever,
Speaker 6: ever happen today. So I think what you'll see with
Speaker 6: planning is planning is the open system, the gateway to development.
Speaker 7: To potential.
Speaker 6: And I think I see what this government is doing.
Speaker 6: They're saying, whether it's minding, whether it's doing hydro, whether
Speaker 6: it's building loado ways, or whether it's putting French calls
Speaker 6: on the back of the river. It shouldn't be this hard.
Speaker 6: And I stand before you and the listeners today and say,
Speaker 6: I want to be doing myself out of a job
Speaker 6: by these changes.
Speaker 5: So are you optimistic about you know, some of what
Speaker 5: you've heard about what Chris Bishop is suggesting will be
Speaker 5: changes with the RMA, because my understanding is when Labour
Speaker 5: had a crack at it, it went from let's say
Speaker 5: seven hund eighty pages to nine hundred. You aren't supposed
Speaker 5: to be going the other way.
Speaker 6: But I was probably on your show soon after those
Speaker 6: reforms came out and I said, how can you be
Speaker 6: making it cheaper, faster and more certain by adding complexity.
Speaker 6: What I will say with this one is I think
Speaker 6: that there are the adults now in the room. There
Speaker 6: is a better intent and there is a bit the
Speaker 6: outcome has been decided. You know, we want this to
Speaker 6: be more certain, we want this to have be less complicated.
Speaker 6: So they're going to introduce things like national standards. Right.
Speaker 6: I have one district plan for each region. So whether
Speaker 6: we're in the White Cusa, whether we're in the Far North,
Speaker 6: whether in Wellington region, there's only one plan now. That's
Speaker 6: very well and I'm spaking to up this before in Auckland,
Speaker 6: you know north Shore White Target is they all have
Speaker 6: different district plants. Now there's one they not like in
Speaker 6: the city, but there's now one plan over the whole area.
Speaker 6: It creates consistency, it creates we have a pattern of
Speaker 6: a planned pattern of development, and so I think that
Speaker 6: there are there's some very very good intentions. I suppose
Speaker 6: what I'll call my Smith test is this, if I
Speaker 6: get your simple consent Pepe to put some French doors
Speaker 6: to replace some windows, or I get a smaller Sorbia park,
Speaker 6: will the end result be cheaper, faster and more certain?
Speaker 6: And that is yes, We're on to a winner. Then
Speaker 6: those people are willing to need to get out into
Speaker 6: the regions and understand it grassroots level what the problem is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because again you know, from a I suppose an
Speaker 5: environmental point of view, I agree there needs to be
Speaker 5: controls around what we can do that. If someone is
Speaker 5: going to devastate an area of natural beauty or build
Speaker 5: on a ridgeline which then becomes a pimple on the
Speaker 5: ass of that that area forever, there needs to be
Speaker 5: some controls around there. But it just feels like it's
Speaker 5: just got bigger and bigger and bigger. Is that your
Speaker 5: sense of it as well?
Speaker 14: Yeah?
Speaker 6: And look I've been doing it for twenty seven years
Speaker 6: and I've never been more more frustrated with Is that
Speaker 6: your example of the French cause in the villa?
Speaker 7: Is you put to me of it all.
Speaker 6: You know, my advice to you would have been, I'm
Speaker 6: really sorry we can find this, but it's that the
Speaker 6: council is going to say I need to consent. The
Speaker 6: question is why do we need to be worrying about
Speaker 6: consents for them? And you take so I almost give
Speaker 6: the sense that the pimple the pimple. We're looking at
Speaker 6: pimple and making it a lot bigger than what it.
Speaker 8: Needs to be.
Speaker 6: And I wonder if Pete, legislation alone is the answer,
Speaker 6: and and I don't think it is. It's the mindset
Speaker 6: of those people who are the decision makers at the
Speaker 6: various councils, and they usually use the words I don't
Speaker 6: like the.
Speaker 4: Point.
Speaker 6: The point to you and I, Pete, is that you
Speaker 6: and I might not like to live in a thirty
Speaker 6: Screameter house or a forties Screameter house, but for many
Speaker 6: New Zealanders that's the reality. And so either you'll say
Speaker 6: to these people they can't have a house and it's
Speaker 6: too hard, or they should be able to have a house.
Speaker 6: So I'm a fair believe that we've got can make
Speaker 6: the simpler things easier. That legislation alone may not change this,
Speaker 6: but we actually need a development mindset reset that people
Speaker 6: live different ways for different.
Speaker 5: Reasons, Yeah, at different times in their lives. Yeah.
Speaker 6: And also sometimes one hundred parmeters out of Auckland on
Speaker 6: the side of the main highway, where actually need a
Speaker 6: service station. I'm dealing with one of these right now
Speaker 6: right in DPA. Say no, the council say no, the
Speaker 6: regional councils say no, but the community say well, actually
Speaker 6: we need to service Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So that's again a bit larger than things, but smaller
Speaker 6: than serve their part. But if you drive around the
Speaker 6: rural country of New Zealand, every so often you see
Speaker 6: a service station and I don't see lots of accidents,
Speaker 6: and I don't see lots of problems, and I don't
Speaker 6: see pollution of the environment. So nothing is new under
Speaker 6: the sun that we've done.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that there is, you know, through experience, a set
Speaker 5: of protocols and procedures that will deal with some of
Speaker 5: those issues, whether that's you know, traffic, well, we reasonably
Speaker 5: know how to manage traffic, run off, sediment control. All
Speaker 5: of these things shouldn't be reinvented every time we've got
Speaker 5: a new project. There's a template for all this stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely right. So what part of the legislation is
Speaker 6: they want to introduce a series of national stands. What
Speaker 6: I hope is that the national standards are not so conservative.
Speaker 5: That we're no better roth than we right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: It's funny. We do a lot of billboards. Now most
Speaker 6: people in the audience will probably say skillboards. I'm not
Speaker 6: really sure about those. And then what we get continuously
Speaker 6: from the same traffic engineers are dangerous. I was recently
Speaker 6: in the state and I drove from San Diego to
Speaker 6: LA and I'm I've got videos and photos of footage.
Speaker 6: There are digital billboards every four hundred meters along the motorway. Now,
Speaker 6: if the most litigious country in the world can say
Speaker 6: that they're not a traffic hazard, a little old New Zealand,
Speaker 6: we reinvent me every time. So I sit through hours
Speaker 6: of here and I listened to tracking engineers that the
Speaker 6: world is going to end if this is built. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it then gets built and the will doesn't end. But
Speaker 6: then they oppose the next one, and I sometimes I
Speaker 6: come back to that point that they made. Though sometimes
Speaker 6: the rima has become a gravy train or people to
Speaker 6: peck whatever side will pay them to say whatever they
Speaker 6: want to hear.
Speaker 5: It's a great insight. I'm just curious now about the
Speaker 5: digital billboards. Were they static images but that might change,
Speaker 5: let's say, refresh every ten minutes, or were they dynamic images?
Speaker 5: They're moving, Definitely not dynamic.
Speaker 6: I think you we could all argue that dynamic images
Speaker 6: would create a safety issue. But if they phase out
Speaker 6: over the period of half a second and you don't
Speaker 6: see the phase out, yeah, they're effectively a static billboard
Speaker 6: because you may only see one, at most two images
Speaker 6: as you go past that site.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's nice given how many people
Speaker 5: are not going to say that, how many people are
Speaker 5: on their phone they carry Hey, let's finish on this.
Speaker 5: Thank god, Pete, someone with some uncommon sense. Cheers Hamish.
Speaker 6: There you go.
Speaker 5: That's for you, mate. Really appreciate your time and we'll
Speaker 5: stay in touch and especially once they get a little
Speaker 5: bit closer to actually having some legislation that we can
Speaker 5: have a look at. Really appreciate it. You take care
Speaker 5: all the best by then your news talks. He'd be
Speaker 5: that's Hamish Firth from Mount Hobson Group, who's a planner,
Speaker 5: been a planner for as he said, twenty seven years
Speaker 5: he's been working in that field. I've had the opportunity
Speaker 5: of working with him sort of in a semi professional
Speaker 5: capacity as well. So just clear thinking, practical thinking. I
Speaker 5: guess as well, and look, make no bones, I make
Speaker 5: no bones about it. I think that the environment needs
Speaker 5: to be protected. The resource that we have is there.
Speaker 5: So you know, if you buy a section and it's
Speaker 5: got a notable tree on it, then you can't expect
Speaker 5: to go to counsel and ask them to cut it
Speaker 5: down or to get permission to cut it down. That
Speaker 5: there's a right there's nature has a right to exist
Speaker 5: as well. But it's getting the balance right, isn't it. Oh,
Speaker 5: eight hundred and eighty ten eight. We got time for
Speaker 5: a couple more calls. If you've got a question or
Speaker 5: a response to that, I'll update you on our thoroughly
Speaker 5: unscientific off the cuff pole, and then I'll start thinking
Speaker 5: about a topic for next week's poll. I'm only joking,
Speaker 5: but I will. I'll update you on the pole in
Speaker 5: just a moment. But we've got time for one more
Speaker 5: call or two more calls before we jump into the
Speaker 5: garden with a redcline pasta from around eight point thirty
Speaker 5: this morning. Fantastic text from Olive, but I won't have
Speaker 5: time to address it today, so I'll bring that up
Speaker 5: next week. But it's a it's a fantastic text. We'll
Speaker 5: do that, but I want to grab these calls. Wendy,
Speaker 5: good morning.
Speaker 15: Good morning, Dade.
Speaker 5: Here are you very well? What's on your mind?
Speaker 15: Just wondering cost of fakenesses. We've got a late eighties
Speaker 15: built house. Whether we put stuff like insult fluff in
Speaker 15: it or double glaze, what would you?
Speaker 5: Okay, the date is really important, So I'm going to
Speaker 5: assume that because your house is late eighties and insulation
Speaker 5: became mandatory for New Zealand buildings in nineteen seventy eight,
Speaker 5: that in fact, while you might not have sufficient insulation
Speaker 5: let's say in the ceiling, you will have some in
Speaker 5: the exterior walls and you should have some in the ceiling.
Speaker 5: So would I be right? Hopefully well?
Speaker 15: Going on going on what information we've gleaned from the council,
Speaker 15: we have got plenty of insuallation in our ceiling because
Speaker 15: we've had that top up. I haven't opened any.
Speaker 7: Patches in the wall.
Speaker 15: But going on what information we got from the council.
Speaker 15: I don't think there's actually very much in the ceiling
Speaker 15: in the walls at all.
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, which is disappointing, but let's assume it would
Speaker 5: be interesting. Like the easiest way to find out is
Speaker 5: you might want to get an electrician or someone more
Speaker 5: experience to do it. Is if you take a electrical
Speaker 5: fitting like a switch or a PowerPoint off and look outside,
Speaker 5: you might be able to see whether or not there
Speaker 5: should be insulation at butting the little flushbox that those
Speaker 5: items sit into, So that'll give you an indication. So
Speaker 5: I'm going to assume that if it's mid eighties, late eighties,
Speaker 5: it's got insulation in the walls, it'll have insulation and
Speaker 5: the ceiling because you can see it, and you could
Speaker 5: always top that up. In which case, your one week
Speaker 5: spot is your single glazing, so ceiling off that week
Speaker 5: spot by doing a retrofit double glazing will make a
Speaker 5: significant difference.
Speaker 15: And it's got a conservatory on it. Do you do
Speaker 15: the conservatory?
Speaker 5: Do you just do conservatory? Have a set of doors
Speaker 5: between the conservatory and the habitable part of the house.
Speaker 15: Yes, it has, Yeah, there's a sliding door.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't spend money on the conservatory, I would do
Speaker 5: retrofit double glazing onto the sliding door. And you know,
Speaker 5: because chances are most of the time you're going to
Speaker 5: use the conservatory in summer predominantly, or you'll use it
Speaker 5: when it's warm. So rather than spend the money double
Speaker 5: glazing that I just do the door, and then you're
Speaker 5: essentially what you're looking to do is reinforce the thermal
Speaker 5: envelope of the habitable space of the house. So do
Speaker 5: the double glazing, and that's kind of sealing off your
Speaker 5: last passage where heat escapes easily through the single glazing.
Speaker 15: And if we took a pairer point off and discovered
Speaker 15: that it wasn't insulted.
Speaker 5: Look, I really hope that that's not the case, and
Speaker 5: I'd be quite disappointed if it was. But saying that
Speaker 5: I've seen shonky work before, then you will still get
Speaker 5: some benefit from retrofitting the double glazing. But you know,
Speaker 5: heat that then used to escape through your single glazing
Speaker 5: will look to go somewhere else, and unfortunately, it will
Speaker 5: find a relatively easy path through your exterior walls if
Speaker 5: they have little or no insulation in them.
Speaker 15: Okay, then all good, Thank you very much.
Speaker 5: For that already, thank you, take care for all the
Speaker 5: best then bye bye. Now this is interesting. Pete wall
Speaker 5: insulation became men in nineteen ninety one. I'm going to
Speaker 5: have a look at that, Steve. I'm not doubting it
Speaker 5: because I'm amazed at how slack we were in terms
Speaker 5: of figuring out that insulation was a good thing. But
Speaker 5: I've always worked off nineteen seventy eight for insulation. It
Speaker 5: might not have been great and sula. I mean, I
Speaker 5: remember doing houses where we had aluminium foil on the
Speaker 5: back of plasterboard. That was the insulation. Not great, not
Speaker 5: call at all. I'll do some research on that the
Speaker 5: thinking I mean. I you know, I was the apprentice
Speaker 5: back in nineteen eighty seven. One of my jobs was
Speaker 5: putting in insulation in the walls, not just in the settling.
Speaker 5: So from my own experience, I've done it ever since
Speaker 5: I started building in eighty seven. Roughly, Oha eight one
Speaker 5: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call
Speaker 5: if you would like to talk to Rid climb Past.
Speaker 5: He is raring to go. I'm going to tell him
Speaker 5: at this gorgeous, gorgeous garden that I went to in
Speaker 5: Ashburton yesterday as well. He's probably been there himself and
Speaker 5: then we're into it. So if you've got any questions
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