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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter

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Speaker 1: wolf Camp from news Talks at Bay.

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Speaker 2: The house is a hole even when it's.

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Speaker 3: Darns, even when the grass is overgrown in.

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Speaker 2: The yard, and even when.

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Speaker 3: The dog is too old to bar, and when you're

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Speaker 3: sitting at the table trying not to start scissor home,

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Speaker 3: even when weave a band gone, even when you're there alone.

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Speaker 2: A house is a hole, even when those goes, Even

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Speaker 2: when you got around from the world you love your most.

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Speaker 4: Streamed pans be an inunder.

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Speaker 3: Locals when these even when wilbra ben, even when you're

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Speaker 3: very lone.

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Speaker 5: Well, a very good morning, and welcome along to the

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Speaker 5: Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me picked off Camp

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Speaker 5: on this the first day of daylight saving. So yes,

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Speaker 5: the clocks did go forward. Sorry, I'm laughing, because we

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Speaker 5: do have in the studio, for all of the wonderful technology,

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Speaker 5: a good old fashioned analog clock that hangs on the wall.

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Speaker 5: And I guess for the last ten years or so,

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Speaker 5: since I've been coming in here early on a Sunday morning,

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Speaker 5: it seems to have become my job to stand on

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Speaker 5: a chair which is an office chair, in which case

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Speaker 5: it rotates right. And if you've ever watched YouTube videos

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Speaker 5: of people doing silly things, it's generally involves them standing

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Speaker 5: on an office chair, reaching up, getting something down, in

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Speaker 5: this case of clock, changing the setting, and then putting

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Speaker 5: it back up again. Thus far, touchwood, I've never come

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Speaker 5: to a sticky end doing that decidedly unsavory little task

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Speaker 5: on a swivel chair. So I'll do that during the break.

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Speaker 5: If i'm not back after the break, you'll know what's happened. Radio.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Welcome along to the show. I trust you've

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Speaker 5: had a good week. And if there's a project that

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Speaker 5: you need some help with, if there's a project that

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Speaker 5: you're thinking about doing a bit of planning, you know

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Speaker 5: daylight saving typically. We've had officially the first day of

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Speaker 5: spring in the first twenty second of September. There equinoxes

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Speaker 5: behind us. School holidays are here. The end of the

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Speaker 5: year is looming. We got our son's end of year

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Speaker 5: report the other day, emailed to us on Friday, and

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Speaker 5: I'm like, hang on, now, he's going back to school

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Speaker 5: next term. It's not over yet, but it is. The

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Speaker 5: year is rushing to its climax at the end of

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Speaker 5: the year. So if you've got a project that you're

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Speaker 5: thinking about in maybe December January taking some leave, and

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Speaker 5: you want to talk about that, you want to start

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Speaker 5: doing a bit of planning, then we can discuss that.

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Speaker 5: If you've had a couple of issues, let's say with

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Speaker 5: product or with suppliers or with contractors, we can talk

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Speaker 5: about that. I do want to do a little bit

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Speaker 5: later on one of my terribly unreliable, completely unscientific polls,

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Speaker 5: and it's around finding a trades person. We'll do that

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Speaker 5: about six point thirty this morning through to maybe sort

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Speaker 5: eight o'clock. At around seven thirty this morning, we've got

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Speaker 5: Bryce mcdermmott, our painting expert from the good people at Razine,

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Speaker 5: so from the Razine Color stores. Bryce is available, will

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Speaker 5: take your text questions on any painting questions that you

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Speaker 5: might have. And after the eight o'clock news, just briefly,

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Speaker 5: we'll have a bit of a catch up with Hamish Firth.

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Speaker 5: Hamish is a planner and he describes himself as just

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Speaker 5: a good old fashioned planner and he's got a couple

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Speaker 5: of things, some insights into proposed changes to the ROMA,

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Speaker 5: the Resource Management Act. Certainly it was under review with

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Speaker 5: the previous government with the Labor administration, Chris Bishop has

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Speaker 5: really taken it on board, I think, and done quite

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Speaker 5: a lot of work. So what's coming up? What might

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Speaker 5: change when it comes to the Resource Management Act, particularly

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Speaker 5: as it relates to construction right and you know, most

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Speaker 5: building projects that I would have been a part of

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Speaker 5: with a resource consent attached to the building consent, or

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Speaker 5: in fact you need to get the resource consent before

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Speaker 5: change anyway? Hamish is an expert on this from the

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Speaker 5: Mount Hobson Group and we'll be chatting with him after

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Speaker 5: eight o'clock. Then, of course, as always, we'll jump into

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Speaker 5: the garden with red claim passed. From around eight point

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Speaker 5: thirty this morning. Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 5: I've logged into my email because I remember my past word,

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Speaker 5: so you can email me as well. A we apology

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Speaker 5: the plans. I didn't get a chance to do that

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Speaker 5: this week. I promise you this week to anyone that

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Speaker 5: might be a project for the following week. Anyway, that's

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Speaker 5: my homework. I'm sordid, right, I know what I have

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Speaker 5: been on the road quite a bit over the last

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Speaker 5: three weeks. In fact, I've had pretty much a trip

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Speaker 5: every single weekend for the last three weeks. Came back

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Speaker 5: from christ Chitch, Yes, had a fabulous time there. Went

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Speaker 5: since about twenty eighteen. My mates that run Jade Promotions

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Speaker 5: really enjoyed getting out and looking at stuff. I went

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Speaker 5: down to do a bit of a presentation, which is

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Speaker 5: what I do, and I catch up with the exhibitors.

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Speaker 5: So flew to christ Church on Friday morning. I don't

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Speaker 5: and I've seen houses being built in SIPs panels by

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Speaker 5: shot out via Methyn Geraldine. Fantastic little military museum in Geraldine,

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Speaker 5: And Geraldine had a fantastic can I just say this

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Speaker 5: had a fantastic PASTRAMI toasted sandwich and Methvin as well,

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Speaker 5: a little cafe next to the gym Garatge. There you go,

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Speaker 5: right in the middle of Methvin. Their beautiful coffee, beautiful

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Speaker 5: But I'll talk about that with Rud when he joins us.

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Speaker 5: At eight thirty rdio, I know it's daylight saving. I

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Speaker 5: fourteen sorry, fourteen minutes. See, even the clock is wrong,

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 5: Lines are open. Number to call eight hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 5: eighty All things building, construction projects, dilemmas, delights and dilemmas.

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Speaker 5: We can talk all things building in construction. Call us

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Speaker 5: right now, eight hundred eighty ten eighty right, Oh, good morning,

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Speaker 5: welcome back to the program. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 5: daylight saving morning, so the clocks have gone forward, and

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Speaker 5: on the show. So now's a fantastic time to call.

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Speaker 5: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 5: Apparently my adjusting of the clock was alerted overnight morning,

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Speaker 5: Pete says the Texa. They said on the overnight talk

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Speaker 5: it'd be Jim that you would be changing the clock,

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Speaker 5: which is true. And I have done that, standing on

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Speaker 5: the little swively chair, balanced like a Russian acrobat to

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 5: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, though, is that

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Speaker 5: calling with respect your top three trades, right, the trades

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Speaker 5: or a plumber. Would you have a carpenter, builder, electrician,

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Speaker 5: an electrician, or a sparky. Would you have their numbers

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Speaker 5: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. So the moot is,

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Speaker 5: Could you call them right now from your contacts in

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Speaker 5: how difficult is it? And I'm thinking if you've got

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Speaker 5: If you don't, then you're going to have to go

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Speaker 5: or something like that. So how do you find a trade?

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Speaker 5: The text are already starting to come in. We're off

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Speaker 5: but it'll be awesome. So do you have top three

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Speaker 5: phone them right now? Not suggesting that you do because

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Speaker 5: they're having a line as well. Kate, A very good morning.

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Speaker 4: Morning, Pete.

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Speaker 8: You didn't put me down as a yes, excellent, thank you.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I feel as though I am giving you a

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Speaker 8: it's going really well and my trade e's are excellent.

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Speaker 8: This time they have accordated booth instead of what I wanted,

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Speaker 8: Otherwise my scaffoldings up are not the costing. So I

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, so there's clear there's a paper trail

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Speaker 5: looks like something slightly different. Or if you say a

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Speaker 5: The there's different things, Okay. So they knew what it

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Speaker 5: I asked for a flat profile or a more square profile.

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Speaker 5: So they would have gone back to their supplier and said, hey, look,

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Speaker 5: if somebody puts it down as a particular profile, that's

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Speaker 5: I think two to three weeks and anything beyond that.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's only seventy three square music.

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Speaker 5: No, I think two three weeks possibly, but no more

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Speaker 5: So either I'm going to take it down, you're going

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Speaker 8: The cloud is not up, the joiner is not up.

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, So you need scaffolding for a lot

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Speaker 8: Yeah, what order can things happen? Can they? Can they

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Speaker 5: Shout right, it's to encourage us to get up there

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Speaker 5: they're going to wrap it, but even that not a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but it does take a while to anything, but

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Speaker 5: Be fair, you know, is it a common color?

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Speaker 7: Thank you? Kim?

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Speaker 4: Oh Gross, I'm answering your questions, the moot question, the

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Speaker 5: And there I'm curious because is that because you've done

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Speaker 4: No, the home is nearly four years old, and I've

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Speaker 5: Tell you as I was, as I was wandering the

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Speaker 5: not necessarily being built by clients that the builders know.

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Speaker 5: So group home builders, developers, speculators and so on say that,

429
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Speaker 5: in the best possible sense, might be building houses that

430
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Speaker 5: will be built on spec and then they'll be sold,

431
00:23:12,375 --> 00:23:15,535
Speaker 5: so you don't have that immediacy of a relationship. I

432
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Speaker 5: can encourage you, and I say this quite a bit.

433
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Speaker 5: If you are doing sort of a bespoke build where

434
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Speaker 5: you've got a relationship with the builder, you get to

435
00:23:24,895 --> 00:23:27,175
Speaker 5: know them, you spend time working through the plans with them,

436
00:23:27,215 --> 00:23:30,695
Speaker 5: and that sort of thing, scones, coffee, these sorts of things.

437
00:23:31,135 --> 00:23:34,095
Speaker 5: Building that relationship and bolstering it with a little bit

438
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Speaker 5: of nutrition is a very very good thing. Oh, eight

439
00:23:38,495 --> 00:23:40,495
Speaker 5: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call quick

440
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Speaker 5: other text thinking about Catherine's roofing material. If a supplier

441
00:23:43,535 --> 00:23:45,655
Speaker 5: of mind delivered the wrong product, even if it did

442
00:23:45,775 --> 00:23:48,295
Speaker 5: normally take two weeks, I'd expect them to fast track

443
00:23:48,335 --> 00:23:51,255
Speaker 5: it and remake it. Well, that's true, except it might

444
00:23:51,455 --> 00:23:55,095
Speaker 5: be that the company that's building in this case, the

445
00:23:55,575 --> 00:23:59,215
Speaker 5: sort of mine in dwelling seventy square meters placed in

446
00:23:59,415 --> 00:24:03,135
Speaker 5: order and they were wrong. So it's not the roofing supplier,

447
00:24:03,495 --> 00:24:05,375
Speaker 5: not the person running the product. They were told this

448
00:24:05,535 --> 00:24:09,375
Speaker 5: is the profile, but they had incorrect information. So yeah,

449
00:24:09,415 --> 00:24:11,135
Speaker 5: you'd like to think that'd help them out, And you'd

450
00:24:11,215 --> 00:24:13,735
Speaker 5: like to think that the person who made the incorrect

451
00:24:13,935 --> 00:24:17,015
Speaker 5: order would do what they could to try and hasten

452
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Speaker 5: the delivery of the correct material. But it's it's not

453
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Speaker 5: like it's come from the manufacturer. So typically if you've

454
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Speaker 5: you know, it might be a case of you have

455
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Speaker 5: a contract with the builder or the main contractor. The

456
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Speaker 5: main contractor orders the materials. They then get sent to

457
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Speaker 5: the roofing manufacturer who runs the product. Or it might

458
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Speaker 5: go through a roofer, so the builder calls the roofer,

459
00:24:44,015 --> 00:24:47,415
Speaker 5: the roofer goes out, does the site measure and forwards

460
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Speaker 5: the order through to the provider to the manufacturer. So

461
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Speaker 5: you can see where there's always a possibility for, you know,

462
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Speaker 5: mistakes to happen like that, and they do happen a lot.

463
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Speaker 5: I'm guessing. I'm just wondering what's going to happen to

464
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Speaker 5: the other eye and that's sitting around now. Oh wait,

465
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Speaker 5: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number?

466
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Speaker 6: Really?

467
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Speaker 11: Good morning to you, Yeah, good morning peak. About five

468
00:25:10,175 --> 00:25:13,055
Speaker 11: and a half years ago, we bought half share in

469
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Speaker 11: our house with our son. It was a show home

470
00:25:17,095 --> 00:25:20,895
Speaker 11: that had been a show home for two years and

471
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Speaker 11: then we bought it after that. And the reason we

472
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Speaker 11: bought it was because he lives a long way away

473
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Speaker 11: from us. We didn't want any sort of hassles, you know,

474
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Speaker 11: with him living in this house. So first hassle we

475
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Speaker 11: had we had a fairly serious leak in the kitchen

476
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Speaker 11: where they had to replace all the beauty panels on

477
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Speaker 11: the kitchen because they got water damage. That happened quite

478
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Speaker 11: a few years ago. And then just recently he rang

479
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Speaker 11: me and said, oh, the paint's bubbling off the wall

480
00:25:48,975 --> 00:25:50,975
Speaker 11: in the on swite that's backing on to the shower.

481
00:25:51,695 --> 00:25:55,415
Speaker 11: And looking at it and photos, it seemed that there

482
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Speaker 11: was where they're probably it should have been silicon in

483
00:26:00,895 --> 00:26:03,135
Speaker 11: a tile joint. It looked like there was grouse in

484
00:26:03,215 --> 00:26:08,095
Speaker 11: there and water had got through broken ground out you know,

485
00:26:08,255 --> 00:26:11,695
Speaker 11: with expansion, and got him behind the wall and was

486
00:26:12,015 --> 00:26:16,375
Speaker 11: soaking up the wall and pushing the paint off. I

487
00:26:16,535 --> 00:26:19,775
Speaker 11: spoke to the it's a franchise builder, so he spoke

488
00:26:19,815 --> 00:26:22,895
Speaker 11: to the franchise owner and he came and had to

489
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Speaker 11: look and arming and ring, you know. Anyway, while just

490
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Speaker 11: before he arrived, I was walking down the hallway past

491
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Speaker 11: the second bathroom and looked down on the corner of

492
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Speaker 11: the carpet by the door frame, and there's a little

493
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Speaker 11: toadstool growing on the lord. So I pulled the carpet,

494
00:26:43,775 --> 00:26:47,615
Speaker 11: carpet against tiles, pulled the carpet back. The smooth edge

495
00:26:47,615 --> 00:26:53,135
Speaker 11: had totally disintegrated with water. The corner of the carpet

496
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Speaker 11: was quite damp, and so when he came to look

497
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Speaker 11: at the other showers, I took him down there. And

498
00:27:03,615 --> 00:27:06,975
Speaker 11: there's a few boys living in a house, right, so.

499
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Speaker 8: I thought, well, you know, maybe it's coming over.

500
00:27:09,135 --> 00:27:11,815
Speaker 11: The top of the tiles. You know, they're not too

501
00:27:11,935 --> 00:27:14,615
Speaker 11: careful about what they're doing coming in and out of

502
00:27:14,655 --> 00:27:18,375
Speaker 11: the shower and stuff like that. So I said, you know,

503
00:27:19,095 --> 00:27:21,735
Speaker 11: look at this sort of thing, you know, And there

504
00:27:21,815 --> 00:27:25,655
Speaker 11: was a little bit of broken out grout in that bathroom,

505
00:27:25,695 --> 00:27:28,415
Speaker 11: but outside the shower. He seemed to think, oh, maybe

506
00:27:28,455 --> 00:27:30,695
Speaker 11: it's water getting in there and tracking down.

507
00:27:30,535 --> 00:27:31,175
Speaker 6: To the doorway.

508
00:27:34,015 --> 00:27:37,135
Speaker 11: One of the boys had a shower that night, and

509
00:27:37,295 --> 00:27:39,015
Speaker 11: I went back in the bathroom and had a look,

510
00:27:39,095 --> 00:27:43,135
Speaker 11: and basically there's no water coming out under the shower door,

511
00:27:43,175 --> 00:27:45,255
Speaker 11: you know, looks at him, comes out maybe and a

512
00:27:45,335 --> 00:27:47,895
Speaker 11: half so there's no way waters flooding all the way,

513
00:27:48,335 --> 00:27:50,975
Speaker 11: you know, nearly two meters from the shower to the doorway.

514
00:27:51,575 --> 00:27:54,935
Speaker 11: So it's getting to the doorway in another way. He's

515
00:27:54,975 --> 00:27:58,815
Speaker 11: sort of sawn little maintenance is shoes, I'm saying, really

516
00:27:59,055 --> 00:28:02,415
Speaker 11: bad workmanship, don't I don't really know.

517
00:28:02,815 --> 00:28:08,655
Speaker 5: And so given the age of it, right, so whether

518
00:28:08,775 --> 00:28:11,935
Speaker 5: it's got a you know, some sort of guarantee from

519
00:28:12,575 --> 00:28:15,895
Speaker 5: you know, there's a couple of insurance guarantees. There's there

520
00:28:15,975 --> 00:28:18,175
Speaker 5: used to be the Halo scheme, there's the master builder scheme,

521
00:28:18,215 --> 00:28:20,455
Speaker 5: those sorts of things, right, So if it's got one

522
00:28:20,495 --> 00:28:23,175
Speaker 5: of those master builders, okay, all right, well that's that's

523
00:28:23,215 --> 00:28:25,695
Speaker 5: going to be interested. Well they should be.

524
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Speaker 11: They say, f's workmanship and water damage three years.

525
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Speaker 5: Okay, is that in the contract?

526
00:28:35,775 --> 00:28:37,255
Speaker 11: Well that's what they told me.

527
00:28:37,975 --> 00:28:41,855
Speaker 5: It'd be good to get the contract and actually haven't

528
00:28:41,895 --> 00:28:43,855
Speaker 5: read through it yourself and not just believe what someone's

529
00:28:43,855 --> 00:28:46,135
Speaker 5: telling you on the phone. So I would I would

530
00:28:46,175 --> 00:28:49,095
Speaker 5: start there. The other thing is that and this is

531
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Speaker 5: something that perhaps I should really get a lawyer to

532
00:28:52,335 --> 00:28:59,335
Speaker 5: speak to this as well. Like there's there's obviously building regulations, right,

533
00:28:59,455 --> 00:29:04,415
Speaker 5: and there's minimum durability requirements for different parts of the building. Right.

534
00:29:05,255 --> 00:29:07,095
Speaker 11: Very hard to find out these things, aren't.

535
00:29:07,095 --> 00:29:09,935
Speaker 5: There are no If you go to building Performance dot

536
00:29:10,015 --> 00:29:12,895
Speaker 5: gov dot NZ and you know that sort of thing,

537
00:29:12,975 --> 00:29:19,095
Speaker 5: there's a lot of information there. So and then the

538
00:29:19,215 --> 00:29:21,855
Speaker 5: fact that it's these things should be done to a

539
00:29:21,895 --> 00:29:24,975
Speaker 5: certain standard, right, and they have a minimum durability requirement,

540
00:29:25,455 --> 00:29:28,135
Speaker 5: and that is actually backed up by consumer law. Right,

541
00:29:28,615 --> 00:29:31,895
Speaker 5: So not having insurance or thinking that you're buying an

542
00:29:31,975 --> 00:29:36,295
Speaker 5: insurance policy and that's the only redress you have is incorrect,

543
00:29:36,335 --> 00:29:41,615
Speaker 5: because you have redress under consumer law. And my understanding

544
00:29:41,615 --> 00:29:43,335
Speaker 5: has always been that there should be at least a

545
00:29:43,415 --> 00:29:46,175
Speaker 5: ten year minimum warranty on waterproofing.

546
00:29:46,455 --> 00:29:46,615
Speaker 6: Right.

547
00:29:47,215 --> 00:29:52,335
Speaker 5: So, and also your comments about grout, grout is not there.

548
00:29:52,855 --> 00:29:54,815
Speaker 5: And even if it's grout that's put in somewhere that

549
00:29:54,895 --> 00:29:57,775
Speaker 5: should be flexible. There should be and given that the

550
00:29:57,815 --> 00:30:01,255
Speaker 5: house is only seven years old, a complete waterproof membrane

551
00:30:01,375 --> 00:30:05,615
Speaker 5: behind that, right, and that shouldn't fail. So tiles are

552
00:30:05,695 --> 00:30:09,055
Speaker 5: not necessarily waterproof. Grout is definitely not waterproof, et cetera.

553
00:30:09,175 --> 00:30:11,575
Speaker 5: So the fact that you've got water somewhere that it

554
00:30:11,615 --> 00:30:15,335
Speaker 5: shouldn't is a failure of the waterproofing. So I would

555
00:30:15,455 --> 00:30:17,255
Speaker 5: go The other thing to do is go back. It

556
00:30:17,375 --> 00:30:19,255
Speaker 5: might be in the documents you had at the sale

557
00:30:19,295 --> 00:30:22,175
Speaker 5: and purchase. It might be in the master bill guarantee

558
00:30:22,175 --> 00:30:25,935
Speaker 5: if you've got one, certainly at council in the CCC

559
00:30:26,095 --> 00:30:29,655
Speaker 5: application will be a PS three from the waterproofer.

560
00:30:30,815 --> 00:30:34,255
Speaker 11: Yeah I'm not he is looking at it, But are

561
00:30:34,335 --> 00:30:38,135
Speaker 11: you squeaking a little bit. Yeah, and I'm going, well,

562
00:30:38,535 --> 00:30:40,975
Speaker 11: you know, really you should just be going and yeah, okay,

563
00:30:41,015 --> 00:30:44,935
Speaker 11: we'll sort it out and not sort of that frustrates

564
00:30:45,015 --> 00:30:47,135
Speaker 11: me a little bit. Yeah, And the reason we bought

565
00:30:47,375 --> 00:30:50,135
Speaker 11: we bought our sort of fairly as new house was

566
00:30:50,535 --> 00:30:54,775
Speaker 11: not to have these problems, you know. So yeah, so

567
00:30:55,095 --> 00:30:57,895
Speaker 11: you're saying ten years on waterproof I'm pretty sure.

568
00:30:58,095 --> 00:30:59,695
Speaker 5: And look, I'm more than happy to do a bit

569
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Speaker 5: of research this week and talk to a couple of

570
00:31:01,695 --> 00:31:04,015
Speaker 5: waterproofers and that sort of thing and see exactly what

571
00:31:04,135 --> 00:31:06,895
Speaker 5: it is. But I've always worked on thissumption that it's

572
00:31:06,935 --> 00:31:08,895
Speaker 5: ten years, right, which isn't actually that long.

573
00:31:10,215 --> 00:31:14,095
Speaker 11: And well, you know, just as a fairly upmarket franchise,

574
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Speaker 11: and I will expect sort of ten years of relatively

575
00:31:19,295 --> 00:31:20,095
Speaker 11: maintenance free.

576
00:31:20,695 --> 00:31:24,095
Speaker 5: You don't expect to see toadstools growing in your house

577
00:31:24,215 --> 00:31:25,135
Speaker 5: that's seven years old.

578
00:31:25,375 --> 00:31:26,775
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, that's right.

579
00:31:27,895 --> 00:31:28,455
Speaker 8: Look, it just.

580
00:31:28,535 --> 00:31:33,215
Speaker 5: Becomes a sort of push hard, push hard. And there's

581
00:31:33,255 --> 00:31:38,535
Speaker 5: also requirement under the Act that remediation has to be

582
00:31:38,615 --> 00:31:42,215
Speaker 5: done in a timely fashion. So and that's typically again

583
00:31:42,295 --> 00:31:46,375
Speaker 5: in the Construction Contracts Act, because there will have been

584
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Speaker 5: a contract for that work that remediation must occur within

585
00:31:50,295 --> 00:31:50,855
Speaker 5: twelve months.

586
00:31:52,215 --> 00:31:52,415
Speaker 7: Yeah.

587
00:31:52,695 --> 00:31:55,935
Speaker 11: So from the point of view of like, you're basically

588
00:31:56,055 --> 00:31:59,855
Speaker 11: relying on the silicon to seal the shower, aren't you, well,

589
00:32:00,735 --> 00:32:02,815
Speaker 11: at right angles at right angle joints.

590
00:32:02,735 --> 00:32:04,775
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. Wherever there's a right angle joint, so

591
00:32:04,935 --> 00:32:08,335
Speaker 5: an internal cornerunction between the floor and so on, you

592
00:32:08,455 --> 00:32:11,055
Speaker 5: don't put grout in there. You do ceilant because it

593
00:32:11,095 --> 00:32:13,455
Speaker 5: allows for a little bit of movement, But the ceilant

594
00:32:13,575 --> 00:32:16,735
Speaker 5: is there just to deflect the moisture.

595
00:32:16,815 --> 00:32:16,935
Speaker 8: Right.

596
00:32:17,375 --> 00:32:23,895
Speaker 5: The waterproofing behind it is what's doing the waterproofing. It's

597
00:32:23,935 --> 00:32:30,775
Speaker 5: a fully toiled bathroom, tild's.

598
00:32:29,095 --> 00:32:31,815
Speaker 11: Shower and tiled floor in the rest of the bathroom

599
00:32:31,855 --> 00:32:33,015
Speaker 11: with a tiled skirting.

600
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Speaker 5: Gotcha.

601
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Speaker 11: How far does the waterproof extend out of the shower?

602
00:32:38,375 --> 00:32:39,615
Speaker 6: Is it on the concrete floor?

603
00:32:40,455 --> 00:32:42,415
Speaker 11: Yeah, it goes on the concrete slab.

604
00:32:43,455 --> 00:32:47,375
Speaker 5: You see. Sometimes I've seen guys just waterproof the shower

605
00:32:47,495 --> 00:32:49,135
Speaker 5: enclosure and not the.

606
00:32:49,215 --> 00:32:53,575
Speaker 11: Water is coming through under the tiles in the shower.

607
00:32:53,775 --> 00:32:57,175
Speaker 11: Once they get out of the shower box. There's no waterproofing,

608
00:32:57,215 --> 00:32:57,495
Speaker 11: is there.

609
00:32:58,295 --> 00:33:01,375
Speaker 5: Well, there may not. I mean, look, my my approach

610
00:33:01,415 --> 00:33:04,335
Speaker 5: has always been just waterproof the entire floor, right, And

611
00:33:04,415 --> 00:33:07,095
Speaker 5: the other thing is that at the threshold, so between

612
00:33:07,175 --> 00:33:10,015
Speaker 5: at the doorway, typically there needs to be a water stop,

613
00:33:11,095 --> 00:33:14,055
Speaker 5: which is a little angle that gets inserted there and

614
00:33:14,175 --> 00:33:16,535
Speaker 5: if water is tracking along underneath the tiles, and to

615
00:33:16,615 --> 00:33:18,175
Speaker 5: be fair, I saw it the other day with my

616
00:33:18,255 --> 00:33:20,695
Speaker 5: own eyes, and I'd always been a little bit really

617
00:33:20,775 --> 00:33:23,135
Speaker 5: how does that happen? Type thing? And I went to

618
00:33:23,615 --> 00:33:26,655
Speaker 5: a remedial job and the guys were pulling up a

619
00:33:26,735 --> 00:33:30,855
Speaker 5: floor tile that was adjacent a level entry shower, and

620
00:33:31,295 --> 00:33:35,895
Speaker 5: the water had tracked underneath the tiles, and the essentially

621
00:33:35,975 --> 00:33:38,375
Speaker 5: the adhesive and some of the floor leveling compound there

622
00:33:39,015 --> 00:33:39,895
Speaker 5: was saturated.

623
00:33:40,015 --> 00:33:40,135
Speaker 1: Right.

624
00:33:40,215 --> 00:33:42,695
Speaker 5: So water does migrate, and so we're trying to stop

625
00:33:42,775 --> 00:33:45,175
Speaker 5: that from leaving. So there should be a bandage up

626
00:33:45,215 --> 00:33:49,135
Speaker 5: the walls. So you tile, you'd waterproof the floor and

627
00:33:49,255 --> 00:33:51,615
Speaker 5: up the wall, so you created a bandage right around

628
00:33:51,615 --> 00:33:53,855
Speaker 5: the perimeter, and then at the doorway there should be

629
00:33:53,855 --> 00:33:54,455
Speaker 5: a water stop.

630
00:33:55,095 --> 00:33:58,295
Speaker 11: So with a skirting tile outside the shower, just a

631
00:33:58,575 --> 00:34:01,175
Speaker 11: one hundred mills high tile or whatever that acts of

632
00:34:01,295 --> 00:34:04,215
Speaker 11: skirting going towards the doorway, you expect that to be waterproof.

633
00:34:04,615 --> 00:34:07,615
Speaker 5: I would expect the junction hind there you know, the

634
00:34:08,175 --> 00:34:13,455
Speaker 5: upstand to be fully waterproofed and bandaged. Yep, yeah, good

635
00:34:13,535 --> 00:34:14,855
Speaker 5: luck with all of us. Know how you get on?

636
00:34:14,935 --> 00:34:15,055
Speaker 6: Eh?

637
00:34:16,895 --> 00:34:19,215
Speaker 5: All the best? Take care Ready, we'll take a short break.

638
00:34:19,295 --> 00:34:21,975
Speaker 5: It is six forty seven here at news Talk ZB.

639
00:34:22,415 --> 00:34:25,575
Speaker 5: We're also running a completely unscientific little pole, which I

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Speaker 5: quite enjoy. Recently have done a number of these, and

641
00:34:28,455 --> 00:34:30,855
Speaker 5: my question the moot was, or my question to you is.

642
00:34:32,055 --> 00:34:34,215
Speaker 5: I was in a discussion during the week with a

643
00:34:34,335 --> 00:34:37,415
Speaker 5: friend of mine and we were talking about, you know,

644
00:34:37,855 --> 00:34:40,855
Speaker 5: would most people be able to go into their contacts

645
00:34:40,855 --> 00:34:44,215
Speaker 5: list on their phone and find a plumber, electrician or sparky.

646
00:34:44,935 --> 00:34:47,535
Speaker 5: And I had sort of got the sense that maybe

647
00:34:47,655 --> 00:34:50,415
Speaker 5: people are not as connected with trades as they might

648
00:34:50,495 --> 00:34:53,855
Speaker 5: have been in the past, and so I was thinking,

649
00:34:54,575 --> 00:34:56,415
Speaker 5: be interesting to see sort of get a sense of

650
00:34:56,735 --> 00:35:00,775
Speaker 5: where people are at thus far on our terribly unscientific,

651
00:35:00,895 --> 00:35:05,255
Speaker 5: unreliable pole. Most people do. So I got about sort

652
00:35:05,255 --> 00:35:08,575
Speaker 5: of twenty one two votes that yes, I do. Some

653
00:35:08,695 --> 00:35:10,495
Speaker 5: people might have two out of the three, which is

654
00:35:10,535 --> 00:35:12,535
Speaker 5: all right. Some people have gone on to complain about

655
00:35:12,535 --> 00:35:14,175
Speaker 5: one hundred dollars an hour that they have to pay

656
00:35:14,215 --> 00:35:15,935
Speaker 5: for some of these trades. People but anyway, that's not

657
00:35:16,015 --> 00:35:18,535
Speaker 5: the point. And only three people have said I don't

658
00:35:18,575 --> 00:35:22,415
Speaker 5: have any contacts at all for any of those top

659
00:35:22,455 --> 00:35:25,295
Speaker 5: three trades people, or the ones that you're most likely

660
00:35:25,575 --> 00:35:28,335
Speaker 5: going to have to call potentially in an emergency. Right,

661
00:35:28,695 --> 00:35:31,055
Speaker 5: power has gone off, there's a water leak, or something's

662
00:35:31,095 --> 00:35:33,895
Speaker 5: falling off your house. Right, so it's going to be electrician, plumber,

663
00:35:34,295 --> 00:35:37,655
Speaker 5: chippy basically, if you've got their numbers in your phone, yes,

664
00:35:37,695 --> 00:35:40,215
Speaker 5: we'll know on the text machine. Grant a very good

665
00:35:40,255 --> 00:35:40,855
Speaker 5: morning sir.

666
00:35:41,855 --> 00:35:42,535
Speaker 7: Good morning pee.

667
00:35:42,615 --> 00:35:42,895
Speaker 6: How are you?

668
00:35:43,175 --> 00:35:47,055
Speaker 12: I'm pretty good one excellent, one would think, well as one.

669
00:35:47,095 --> 00:35:50,815
Speaker 12: As they've got your wed side addresses number, the they

670
00:35:50,855 --> 00:35:51,695
Speaker 12: should be hooked up.

671
00:35:53,295 --> 00:35:53,495
Speaker 11: Yeah.

672
00:35:54,815 --> 00:35:58,455
Speaker 7: Hey, really, I was playing with a train.

673
00:35:58,415 --> 00:36:01,575
Speaker 12: Station now today and not train station, a model in

674
00:36:01,695 --> 00:36:04,215
Speaker 12: that and I was looking at it an infrastructure and

675
00:36:04,335 --> 00:36:04,975
Speaker 12: stuff like that.

676
00:36:05,215 --> 00:36:05,735
Speaker 6: Right, And.

677
00:36:07,575 --> 00:36:10,375
Speaker 12: In christ Church I heard you talk about Turmaru and yeah,

678
00:36:10,455 --> 00:36:12,455
Speaker 12: there are some lovely buildings down there. You could do

679
00:36:12,575 --> 00:36:13,415
Speaker 12: some really good things.

680
00:36:13,735 --> 00:36:16,015
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh yeah, it's amazing.

681
00:36:16,095 --> 00:36:19,575
Speaker 12: Porch armers and anyway, if you're going for hours about

682
00:36:19,615 --> 00:36:22,695
Speaker 12: beauty of that place. But yeah, and so I was

683
00:36:22,775 --> 00:36:25,135
Speaker 12: looking at christ Church and I was thinking, man, you

684
00:36:25,215 --> 00:36:27,175
Speaker 12: know the sand heilds down in Brighton.

685
00:36:27,935 --> 00:36:28,135
Speaker 5: Yep.

686
00:36:29,175 --> 00:36:34,535
Speaker 12: Yeah, I wonder moving moving those right, because they're not

687
00:36:34,615 --> 00:36:36,895
Speaker 12: a they're not a natural structure. They were put there

688
00:36:37,055 --> 00:36:41,255
Speaker 12: the before the atomic testing just in case we've got

689
00:36:41,295 --> 00:36:44,895
Speaker 12: a splash back on the Yeah, yeah, that's not it's

690
00:36:44,975 --> 00:36:48,695
Speaker 12: not no, no, no, straight up done and done in

691
00:36:48,815 --> 00:36:52,455
Speaker 12: like forty five or around that area. My dad drove

692
00:36:52,535 --> 00:36:54,935
Speaker 12: the big dozers that pushed it up there. But yeah,

693
00:36:55,015 --> 00:36:58,615
Speaker 12: it was originally pushed there to stop the sand. So

694
00:36:58,615 --> 00:37:01,015
Speaker 12: I'm thinking about real estate, and I was putting in

695
00:37:01,095 --> 00:37:03,975
Speaker 12: this big train station and stuff like that, and I thought, Wow,

696
00:37:04,415 --> 00:37:09,135
Speaker 12: I wonder how hard it would be to actually, you know,

697
00:37:09,415 --> 00:37:11,375
Speaker 12: get about moving those houses.

698
00:37:11,495 --> 00:37:14,375
Speaker 5: So I guess that's a hard thing for christ is.

699
00:37:14,415 --> 00:37:16,855
Speaker 5: It's all that T one, T two, T three. So

700
00:37:16,935 --> 00:37:20,055
Speaker 5: whether or not I mean building on sand, I don't know.

701
00:37:20,895 --> 00:37:24,135
Speaker 5: I'll do a little google around the Did they put

702
00:37:24,175 --> 00:37:26,495
Speaker 5: the sand there to protect from I don't think so.

703
00:37:26,895 --> 00:37:28,775
Speaker 5: I don't think so oh eight one hundred and eighty

704
00:37:28,815 --> 00:37:31,855
Speaker 5: ten eighty. It's a little bit off topic. Thanks Grant. Chrissy,

705
00:37:31,975 --> 00:37:34,135
Speaker 5: good morning, Good morning.

706
00:37:34,175 --> 00:37:36,815
Speaker 13: So I got a couple of quick cook VI questions

707
00:37:36,855 --> 00:37:39,295
Speaker 13: for you. The first question is no, I don't have

708
00:37:39,335 --> 00:37:40,415
Speaker 13: any trades people on my phone.

709
00:37:40,415 --> 00:37:42,455
Speaker 5: That's thank you.

710
00:37:42,935 --> 00:37:43,135
Speaker 7: Yeah.

711
00:37:43,935 --> 00:37:48,255
Speaker 13: PVC double glading versus aluminium, Yes, which would you choose?

712
00:37:49,295 --> 00:37:51,695
Speaker 5: I don't know that it's a simple binary yes noo

713
00:37:52,055 --> 00:37:55,575
Speaker 5: to that. I think you've got to look at location.

714
00:37:55,855 --> 00:37:57,175
Speaker 5: You've got to look at what it is that you're

715
00:37:57,215 --> 00:38:02,335
Speaker 5: trying to achieve. If it is thermal performance, and that's

716
00:38:02,455 --> 00:38:04,655
Speaker 5: one of the benefits of uPVC, And I was doing

717
00:38:04,695 --> 00:38:08,335
Speaker 5: a presentation yesterday. I've got charts from the Window Association

718
00:38:08,575 --> 00:38:11,415
Speaker 5: telling you what the heat loss is through different types

719
00:38:11,455 --> 00:38:18,215
Speaker 5: of joinery. Right, So uPVC is thermally very efficient, as

720
00:38:18,295 --> 00:38:22,015
Speaker 5: in it's a terrible conductor of heat. Therefore it's thermally resistant.

721
00:38:22,815 --> 00:38:28,095
Speaker 5: But then again, thermally broken aluminium is also higher than

722
00:38:28,495 --> 00:38:32,815
Speaker 5: standard aluminium, timber being higher than both of them fiberglass,

723
00:38:32,855 --> 00:38:34,735
Speaker 5: which is a little bit rare in New Zealand. So

724
00:38:35,135 --> 00:38:38,335
Speaker 5: you there's there's a bit more subtlety to it than

725
00:38:38,415 --> 00:38:40,095
Speaker 5: a yes, snow one's better than the other.

726
00:38:40,975 --> 00:38:42,575
Speaker 13: So one of the reasons I asked is because though

727
00:38:42,975 --> 00:38:45,935
Speaker 13: through a friend's house and all their window sills of rotten, Yes,

728
00:38:46,175 --> 00:38:49,815
Speaker 13: because the windows haven't been maintained over the years, you know,

729
00:38:49,895 --> 00:38:52,775
Speaker 13: dile bent, their movement hasn't haven't been cleaned, and a

730
00:38:52,855 --> 00:38:54,855
Speaker 13: lot of people don't do it anyway. And so obviously

731
00:38:55,015 --> 00:38:57,095
Speaker 13: your thermal dynamics with your heat and you're cooling on

732
00:38:57,175 --> 00:38:59,535
Speaker 13: each side, and obviously all the water droplets have formed

733
00:38:59,575 --> 00:39:01,855
Speaker 13: on the minium and drip onto the edge I believe,

734
00:39:02,015 --> 00:39:02,895
Speaker 13: and rotted it all out.

735
00:39:03,295 --> 00:39:03,775
Speaker 4: And that's that.

736
00:39:03,895 --> 00:39:05,855
Speaker 13: That's the bit that concerns me. I suppose if I

737
00:39:05,975 --> 00:39:09,375
Speaker 13: goes aluminium stuff and price point, I'm not sure which

738
00:39:09,415 --> 00:39:09,815
Speaker 13: is cheaper.

739
00:39:11,455 --> 00:39:16,415
Speaker 5: Typically there's a premium for uPVC. But then there's also

740
00:39:16,495 --> 00:39:19,895
Speaker 5: a benefit, right, so if your thermal performance is better,

741
00:39:20,055 --> 00:39:24,575
Speaker 5: then potentially you've got a saving long term if you're

742
00:39:24,615 --> 00:39:29,375
Speaker 5: doing a retrofit. I've seen some retrofit systems that utilize

743
00:39:29,495 --> 00:39:34,375
Speaker 5: uPVC joinery which are quite smart. And then there are

744
00:39:34,415 --> 00:39:38,855
Speaker 5: other benefits to uPVC in terms of hardware and like

745
00:39:38,935 --> 00:39:42,215
Speaker 5: there's a flexibility. I've seen some recently where for example,

746
00:39:42,255 --> 00:39:46,175
Speaker 5: a window that is a casement window also becomes a

747
00:39:46,255 --> 00:39:50,375
Speaker 5: bottom hung window that opens inwards so to allow for ventilation.

748
00:39:50,855 --> 00:39:55,055
Speaker 5: Now that's a I guess a functionality that you can

749
00:39:55,135 --> 00:39:57,855
Speaker 5: achieve with some of the uPVC suites that are out

750
00:39:57,895 --> 00:40:00,695
Speaker 5: there that you won't get with aluminium, and to be fair,

751
00:40:00,695 --> 00:40:03,815
Speaker 5: you won't get it with timber either, So yeah, you know,

752
00:40:04,295 --> 00:40:06,135
Speaker 5: take some time. It's a big decision of this.

753
00:40:07,455 --> 00:40:09,695
Speaker 13: I've known you to do the house Peace Fields. They

754
00:40:09,695 --> 00:40:10,175
Speaker 13: can afford it.

755
00:40:10,375 --> 00:40:12,295
Speaker 5: Yeah.

756
00:40:12,415 --> 00:40:12,575
Speaker 8: Yeah.

757
00:40:12,935 --> 00:40:15,255
Speaker 5: Another quick question is tell you what can I just

758
00:40:15,375 --> 00:40:17,455
Speaker 5: ask you to hold because we've got news, Sport and

759
00:40:17,535 --> 00:40:19,455
Speaker 5: weather coming up right at the top of the hour,

760
00:40:19,455 --> 00:40:22,135
Speaker 5: which is just a couple of seconds away, and I'll

761
00:40:22,175 --> 00:40:25,295
Speaker 5: try and answer this question about master builders. And I've

762
00:40:25,375 --> 00:40:27,935
Speaker 5: got a story for you straight after the news at

763
00:40:28,415 --> 00:40:31,015
Speaker 5: seven o'clock as well. Actually, it was very nice to

764
00:40:31,055 --> 00:40:34,215
Speaker 5: see the Light Force Solar people at the Timaru Home

765
00:40:34,295 --> 00:40:37,255
Speaker 5: and Garden Show. They had to stand there as well,

766
00:40:37,415 --> 00:40:42,135
Speaker 5: So I was in Timuru yesterday, said they stayed Friday

767
00:40:42,215 --> 00:40:45,335
Speaker 5: night Saturday morning, went out to the Home and Garden

768
00:40:45,415 --> 00:40:48,655
Speaker 5: Show which is on actually it's on through to probably

769
00:40:48,655 --> 00:40:51,535
Speaker 5: four o'clock, five o'clock today and had a bit of

770
00:40:51,535 --> 00:40:53,855
Speaker 5: a chat with them. I do a presentation there called

771
00:40:54,295 --> 00:40:57,535
Speaker 5: what does Good Look Like? And it's kind of a

772
00:40:57,615 --> 00:41:01,175
Speaker 5: little bit of a reflection about you know, we've we've

773
00:41:01,215 --> 00:41:05,415
Speaker 5: started to talk more about good building, right. We want warm, dry, comfortable,

774
00:41:06,135 --> 00:41:09,335
Speaker 5: and that's that's great to look for, But what is

775
00:41:09,415 --> 00:41:11,695
Speaker 5: it that you're actually looking for if we're talking about

776
00:41:11,735 --> 00:41:13,415
Speaker 5: good buildings? So anyway, that's what I was talking too,

777
00:41:13,455 --> 00:41:17,135
Speaker 5: but talking about it's good fun, actually lovely people, timuru

778
00:41:17,575 --> 00:41:21,775
Speaker 5: and developing quite the soft spot for the actually fantastic

779
00:41:21,855 --> 00:41:26,295
Speaker 5: little what was it a little antique store that I found,

780
00:41:27,175 --> 00:41:29,015
Speaker 5: had to wander around the basilica as well, which was

781
00:41:29,095 --> 00:41:31,175
Speaker 5: quite nice, a bit of a two tou along the

782
00:41:31,255 --> 00:41:35,015
Speaker 5: coastline and that sort of thing. That was great, fantastic right, Oh,

783
00:41:35,015 --> 00:41:36,575
Speaker 5: eight hundred and eighty ten eight. You've got a story

784
00:41:36,615 --> 00:41:38,015
Speaker 5: for you in just a minute, but we'll finish up

785
00:41:38,255 --> 00:41:40,815
Speaker 5: the question with Chrissy. So, Chrissy, one of the things

786
00:41:40,855 --> 00:41:43,415
Speaker 5: you're talking about is are you doing when you say

787
00:41:43,455 --> 00:41:46,095
Speaker 5: you're going to do a piecemeal approach to replacing joinery.

788
00:41:46,175 --> 00:41:48,935
Speaker 5: You're replacing the joinery because it's sort of past, it's

789
00:41:49,055 --> 00:41:52,375
Speaker 5: used by date, or you want something that's more thermally efficient.

790
00:41:52,655 --> 00:41:55,215
Speaker 5: So what's your current joinery? Is it aluminum or timber?

791
00:41:56,215 --> 00:42:00,135
Speaker 13: So it's a nineteen thirty's house, course it's timber the California, Yeah,

792
00:42:00,255 --> 00:42:03,215
Speaker 13: exactly in the front windows basically at the moment and

793
00:42:03,335 --> 00:42:05,335
Speaker 13: that they still work. All the windows are all there

794
00:42:05,335 --> 00:42:07,815
Speaker 13: and all secure, and put that bit of bone stuff

795
00:42:07,855 --> 00:42:10,415
Speaker 13: around for the draft. But I'm just looking to replace

796
00:42:10,455 --> 00:42:11,935
Speaker 13: the front ones at the moment, and that's what I

797
00:42:12,055 --> 00:42:13,615
Speaker 13: was wanting to on the back of that, I was

798
00:42:13,775 --> 00:42:15,375
Speaker 13: going to ask to be very quick vision just.

799
00:42:16,455 --> 00:42:17,055
Speaker 5: On that quickly.

800
00:42:17,135 --> 00:42:17,295
Speaker 7: Though.

801
00:42:17,455 --> 00:42:22,135
Speaker 5: If if that timber joinery is sound right, and you

802
00:42:22,215 --> 00:42:24,575
Speaker 5: know you could you could upgrade the hinges, why wouldn't

803
00:42:24,575 --> 00:42:27,215
Speaker 5: you just look at doing a retrofit double glazing to

804
00:42:27,375 --> 00:42:30,775
Speaker 5: your existing joinery, Because you know, from a thermal performance

805
00:42:30,855 --> 00:42:34,015
Speaker 5: point of view, timber performs exceptionally well. So if you

806
00:42:34,135 --> 00:42:38,455
Speaker 5: sort out the drafts and add the double glazing, the

807
00:42:38,575 --> 00:42:41,895
Speaker 5: only thing where it will not be that great is

808
00:42:42,495 --> 00:42:47,335
Speaker 5: potentially air leakage around the perimeter of the frame. But

809
00:42:47,615 --> 00:42:50,055
Speaker 5: then again, you probably don't have building paper on the house,

810
00:42:50,175 --> 00:42:54,015
Speaker 5: in which case you've got lots of air leakage. Anyway, No,

811
00:42:54,335 --> 00:42:54,535
Speaker 5: I do.

812
00:42:54,695 --> 00:42:56,215
Speaker 13: I mean when I bought the house that failed the

813
00:42:56,295 --> 00:42:58,815
Speaker 13: next test for the guy that had the house completely

814
00:42:59,975 --> 00:43:02,095
Speaker 13: important pass the board and an insulation in the water,

815
00:43:02,215 --> 00:43:05,655
Speaker 13: that was all done, so okay, So you mean whether

816
00:43:05,775 --> 00:43:10,295
Speaker 13: router out the double glazing? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'll tell

817
00:43:10,295 --> 00:43:13,255
Speaker 13: you why because I can't be bositing on future maintenance.

818
00:43:16,975 --> 00:43:20,615
Speaker 5: I like your honesty, chrisy I do. Look, I understand that.

819
00:43:20,975 --> 00:43:21,935
Speaker 6: Yeah, I get it.

820
00:43:21,975 --> 00:43:23,895
Speaker 13: One I'm going to give you a little jokes as

821
00:43:23,935 --> 00:43:25,895
Speaker 13: a joke, how much is a plumber get paid on

822
00:43:25,975 --> 00:43:27,135
Speaker 13: overtime time?

823
00:43:27,215 --> 00:43:27,895
Speaker 14: And a turd.

824
00:43:33,055 --> 00:43:33,335
Speaker 7: Go for it?

825
00:43:33,415 --> 00:43:35,375
Speaker 13: Extended on the extension on the back of the house,

826
00:43:36,615 --> 00:43:37,975
Speaker 13: no smil infallation in between?

827
00:43:38,255 --> 00:43:38,375
Speaker 7: Yes?

828
00:43:38,535 --> 00:43:41,415
Speaker 13: Could I so the tens there? Could I put a

829
00:43:41,615 --> 00:43:44,375
Speaker 13: false roof on top of that and then put insulation

830
00:43:44,495 --> 00:43:45,735
Speaker 13: and then the newton on top of that?

831
00:43:46,055 --> 00:43:47,455
Speaker 6: Yes? Say yes.

832
00:43:47,935 --> 00:43:51,255
Speaker 5: So just do a Google search for warm roof right,

833
00:43:52,575 --> 00:43:55,535
Speaker 5: and it's not uncommon. And it sounds like I've been

834
00:43:55,575 --> 00:43:57,455
Speaker 5: traveling a lot, because I have been traveling a lot.

835
00:43:57,535 --> 00:44:00,975
Speaker 5: So last weekend I was in Wellington for the New

836
00:44:01,055 --> 00:44:04,175
Speaker 5: Zealand Institute of Building Surveys conference and I was at

837
00:44:04,255 --> 00:44:06,935
Speaker 5: some workshops on the Saturday morning and one of the

838
00:44:07,015 --> 00:44:13,095
Speaker 5: presentations was from Viking and they do warm roof warm

839
00:44:13,295 --> 00:44:17,695
Speaker 5: roof retrofit solutions. So it's it's very specific and you've

840
00:44:17,815 --> 00:44:19,455
Speaker 5: there's there's a lot of science. You've got to get

841
00:44:19,495 --> 00:44:22,015
Speaker 5: it right. But it could be a really good solution

842
00:44:22,175 --> 00:44:22,335
Speaker 5: for you.

843
00:44:23,615 --> 00:44:25,455
Speaker 13: And so that would also mean that people doing their

844
00:44:25,495 --> 00:44:27,015
Speaker 13: main rooms wouldn't have to take that old.

845
00:44:27,095 --> 00:44:33,575
Speaker 5: Off exactly that exactly that, No, not at all. No,

846
00:44:34,135 --> 00:44:36,495
Speaker 5: I think we're going to see some pretty significant growth

847
00:44:36,575 --> 00:44:41,935
Speaker 5: in that area, I think going forward. All right, my pleasure,

848
00:44:42,175 --> 00:44:44,455
Speaker 5: take care of them by by them. Thank you, Chrissy.

849
00:44:44,535 --> 00:44:46,415
Speaker 5: We'll talk to Bevan in just a moment. I need

850
00:44:46,495 --> 00:44:48,215
Speaker 5: to tell you a story, and it's a little bit

851
00:44:48,215 --> 00:44:50,775
Speaker 5: of a tricky one to try and explain. There is

852
00:44:50,815 --> 00:44:53,615
Speaker 5: a property that I look after right that I renovated

853
00:44:53,815 --> 00:44:59,055
Speaker 5: and that I continued to maintain, and it is listed

854
00:44:59,575 --> 00:45:03,775
Speaker 5: as accommodation, so it's fully furnished. It's essentially Airbnb, but

855
00:45:03,815 --> 00:45:06,775
Speaker 5: it's listed through a local holiday home company and it

856
00:45:06,815 --> 00:45:10,815
Speaker 5: gets rented out. And so in the public sphere are

857
00:45:10,895 --> 00:45:13,735
Speaker 5: photographs of the inside of that because you know, someone

858
00:45:13,935 --> 00:45:17,255
Speaker 5: wants to search for a holiday home in Devenport and

859
00:45:17,295 --> 00:45:20,215
Speaker 5: they could find this property, et cetera. And we've got

860
00:45:20,335 --> 00:45:23,215
Speaker 5: photographs that we took or we had taken for that house.

861
00:45:25,175 --> 00:45:27,335
Speaker 5: And inadvertently, a couple of years ago there was a

862
00:45:27,375 --> 00:45:30,535
Speaker 5: bit of a muck up where photographs from our property

863
00:45:30,655 --> 00:45:32,975
Speaker 5: were associated with a property that happens to be two

864
00:45:33,055 --> 00:45:37,455
Speaker 5: doors down right, And so we got that sorted out

865
00:45:37,495 --> 00:45:40,135
Speaker 5: and those photographs were taken down. And then the other

866
00:45:40,215 --> 00:45:43,375
Speaker 5: day I was informed that that property two doors down

867
00:45:43,415 --> 00:45:47,535
Speaker 5: from the one that we look after is up for sale.

868
00:45:47,935 --> 00:45:49,415
Speaker 5: And so I thought I'd be interested to know a

869
00:45:49,455 --> 00:45:50,855
Speaker 5: bit of the history and that sort of thing. I'll

870
00:45:50,935 --> 00:45:53,135
Speaker 5: go to the good people, the old, good old website

871
00:45:53,215 --> 00:45:55,855
Speaker 5: homes dot co dot nz. So I went to homestock

872
00:45:55,895 --> 00:45:57,735
Speaker 5: code ont Nz and you type in the address and

873
00:45:57,855 --> 00:46:00,615
Speaker 5: it brings up details, rough details about the house, the

874
00:46:00,695 --> 00:46:03,095
Speaker 5: size of the section, it brings up a bit of

875
00:46:03,135 --> 00:46:05,935
Speaker 5: a sales history. It's generally got a photograph taken like

876
00:46:06,015 --> 00:46:08,055
Speaker 5: from you know, Google street View or something like that,

877
00:46:08,175 --> 00:46:10,135
Speaker 5: of the outside of the house. And I had to

878
00:46:10,135 --> 00:46:11,575
Speaker 5: look through that and it was kind of interesting. And

879
00:46:11,575 --> 00:46:13,295
Speaker 5: then I scrolled back to the top and then there

880
00:46:13,335 --> 00:46:16,015
Speaker 5: were photographs of the inside of the house. There were

881
00:46:16,015 --> 00:46:19,735
Speaker 5: photographs of the kitchen, there were photographs of the backyard.

882
00:46:20,575 --> 00:46:23,455
Speaker 5: And then I looked at the photographs and went, hang on,

883
00:46:24,095 --> 00:46:28,495
Speaker 5: they're photographs from two doors up. They're not photographs from

884
00:46:28,615 --> 00:46:32,375
Speaker 5: that house. They're photographs from the house that I look after.

885
00:46:34,175 --> 00:46:36,015
Speaker 5: And I thought, okay, well I should really get in

886
00:46:36,135 --> 00:46:39,735
Speaker 5: touch and you tell them that they the photographs are

887
00:46:39,815 --> 00:46:44,255
Speaker 5: not correct, right, which I think information is it's important

888
00:46:44,255 --> 00:46:46,855
Speaker 5: to get it right. So anyway, I scrolled through, looked

889
00:46:46,895 --> 00:46:49,855
Speaker 5: for the contact list. There's no telephone number, so I

890
00:46:49,935 --> 00:46:52,095
Speaker 5: emailed them and said, could you please contact me to

891
00:46:52,215 --> 00:46:57,135
Speaker 5: discuss the photographs because they're wrong. Anyway, that was on Tuesday.

892
00:46:57,495 --> 00:47:02,535
Speaker 5: I haven't heard from them, so I don't know what

893
00:47:02,575 --> 00:47:04,495
Speaker 5: they're going to do about it, but I thought you'd

894
00:47:04,495 --> 00:47:07,415
Speaker 5: be interested in knowing that, So there you go. It

895
00:47:07,535 --> 00:47:09,975
Speaker 5: was quite the moment sort of looking at the photographs

896
00:47:09,975 --> 00:47:13,495
Speaker 5: of the house, going actually they're photographs from it's my

897
00:47:13,655 --> 00:47:18,855
Speaker 5: work attributed to somebody else's house. So I don't think

898
00:47:18,855 --> 00:47:21,735
Speaker 5: it's very good. Not answering your emails also not very good.

899
00:47:22,455 --> 00:47:24,655
Speaker 5: It is thirteen minutes after seven oh eight hundred and

900
00:47:24,655 --> 00:47:27,055
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty is the number to call quick one

901
00:47:27,095 --> 00:47:29,135
Speaker 5: on the pole, So we've been running a pole. We'll

902
00:47:29,175 --> 00:47:30,655
Speaker 5: do it through toll about eight o'clock. What I was

903
00:47:30,735 --> 00:47:33,495
Speaker 5: curious to know is, and I was having this discussion

904
00:47:33,535 --> 00:47:36,175
Speaker 5: with a friend during the week, would most of us

905
00:47:36,495 --> 00:47:40,295
Speaker 5: have in our contacts on our phone and a contact

906
00:47:40,375 --> 00:47:45,255
Speaker 5: for let's say a carpenter, a sparky electrician, and a plumber.

907
00:47:47,255 --> 00:47:50,775
Speaker 5: And my sense was that as we kind of become

908
00:47:50,815 --> 00:47:54,215
Speaker 5: a little bit more dislocated from the trades, less and

909
00:47:54,295 --> 00:47:58,255
Speaker 5: less people would have or fewer people would have those

910
00:47:58,335 --> 00:48:01,735
Speaker 5: contacts readily at hand, I in your contact list on

911
00:48:01,775 --> 00:48:04,735
Speaker 5: your phone. And so that's what we're doing a poll on.

912
00:48:05,255 --> 00:48:09,055
Speaker 5: Thus far, it's a about twenty five people who have

913
00:48:09,175 --> 00:48:11,855
Speaker 5: pulled through, so it's just a yes no answer have

914
00:48:11,975 --> 00:48:15,415
Speaker 5: said yes they do, and at discount only about four

915
00:48:15,575 --> 00:48:17,615
Speaker 5: or five have said no they don't, which kind of

916
00:48:17,655 --> 00:48:19,815
Speaker 5: surprised me. So we'll run that through to eight o'clock

917
00:48:19,855 --> 00:48:23,415
Speaker 5: this morning. Remember also, we've got our painting expert, Bryce

918
00:48:23,495 --> 00:48:26,095
Speaker 5: McDermott will be on the line in about fifteen minutes,

919
00:48:26,095 --> 00:48:28,855
Speaker 5: so if you've got any specific painting questions, please text

920
00:48:28,935 --> 00:48:31,055
Speaker 5: them through right now. There we go, New.

921
00:48:33,455 --> 00:48:33,655
Speaker 6: Ah.

922
00:48:36,975 --> 00:48:40,215
Speaker 5: A couple more texts are coming in for our unscientific

923
00:48:40,335 --> 00:48:43,815
Speaker 5: I make no apologies for the fact that it's unscientific. However, Paul,

924
00:48:43,895 --> 00:48:46,975
Speaker 5: who has far greater insight into these things than I do,

925
00:48:47,695 --> 00:48:49,855
Speaker 5: Pete b Ree, you or unscientific poll, given that those

926
00:48:49,935 --> 00:48:52,655
Speaker 5: responding and listening to a very good building DII show.

927
00:48:52,695 --> 00:48:55,455
Speaker 5: Thank you, Paul. I'm not surprised that the majority would

928
00:48:55,455 --> 00:48:59,095
Speaker 5: have trade contacts. It would be interesting to poll the

929
00:48:59,215 --> 00:49:02,775
Speaker 5: general population might be a different result. True, But all

930
00:49:02,815 --> 00:49:05,495
Speaker 5: I've got is you guys, which I'm happy to be

931
00:49:05,735 --> 00:49:08,735
Speaker 5: with today. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is I

932
00:49:08,815 --> 00:49:10,575
Speaker 5: love this one? Yes to all three, but only because

933
00:49:10,575 --> 00:49:13,015
Speaker 5: they're a mix of brother and two cousins. On the upside,

934
00:49:13,055 --> 00:49:15,815
Speaker 5: they do help out for free, and man, I love

935
00:49:15,895 --> 00:49:21,455
Speaker 5: that side of things. You know that still exists. I

936
00:49:21,575 --> 00:49:23,775
Speaker 5: think for a lot of kiwis that the kind of

937
00:49:23,935 --> 00:49:26,615
Speaker 5: ring up a mate who knows a mate who comes

938
00:49:26,655 --> 00:49:30,255
Speaker 5: around and sorts stuff out. Or if you're an older

939
00:49:30,295 --> 00:49:32,055
Speaker 5: trade and you've got kids, I mean the number of

940
00:49:32,095 --> 00:49:33,975
Speaker 5: trades that I talk to have got you know, sort

941
00:49:34,015 --> 00:49:37,095
Speaker 5: of adult children. Oh yeah, I working at the daughter's

942
00:49:37,135 --> 00:49:40,335
Speaker 5: place today. That that's a pretty common thing too. I

943
00:49:40,375 --> 00:49:42,655
Speaker 5: think my time will come. I eight hundred eighty ten

944
00:49:42,775 --> 00:49:45,935
Speaker 5: eighty is the number to call. So I mentioned the

945
00:49:46,055 --> 00:49:51,135
Speaker 5: issue about the homes dot co dot nz information homestock

946
00:49:51,175 --> 00:49:53,895
Speaker 5: code ot nz is not a listing right, So someone texts,

947
00:49:53,935 --> 00:49:55,335
Speaker 5: I want it to just call the agent. Well, it's

948
00:49:55,375 --> 00:49:57,575
Speaker 5: not on the agent's website. It's on the homes dot

949
00:49:57,615 --> 00:50:02,655
Speaker 5: code dot Nz website where photographs from another property which

950
00:50:02,695 --> 00:50:06,055
Speaker 5: I know, appear on a property that happens to be

951
00:50:06,095 --> 00:50:09,215
Speaker 5: too draws down which is incorrect. And I wanted to

952
00:50:09,335 --> 00:50:13,015
Speaker 5: contact them to say that's incorrect. You know, is it incorrect?

953
00:50:13,095 --> 00:50:15,015
Speaker 5: Is it misleading? Well it is, because that's not that

954
00:50:15,175 --> 00:50:18,175
Speaker 5: house anyway. They haven't replied, just leading, you know. Oh

955
00:50:18,255 --> 00:50:20,895
Speaker 5: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

956
00:50:21,295 --> 00:50:21,695
Speaker 6: Same thing?

957
00:50:21,775 --> 00:50:24,655
Speaker 5: Read my home someone texts wrong in phone photos for

958
00:50:24,735 --> 00:50:27,815
Speaker 5: my address. Was told they could not change it. What

959
00:50:27,895 --> 00:50:34,735
Speaker 5: do you mean they can't change it? Everything's changeable only

960
00:50:34,815 --> 00:50:38,775
Speaker 5: trading in my phone's a mechanic fabulous love that Bevan greetings,

961
00:50:39,895 --> 00:50:40,655
Speaker 5: Hey Pete.

962
00:50:40,455 --> 00:50:44,495
Speaker 14: Be trading in the phone. We've done quite a few renovations.

963
00:50:44,695 --> 00:50:49,975
Speaker 14: But we've got we've got every possible and I'll tell you,

964
00:50:50,095 --> 00:50:52,375
Speaker 14: I'll tell you there's a multiple reasons why. And we've

965
00:50:52,415 --> 00:50:55,935
Speaker 14: done it too obviously. I put it under a builder

966
00:50:56,055 --> 00:50:59,455
Speaker 14: or electrical plumber, guests for a plus for a planner,

967
00:50:59,855 --> 00:51:01,775
Speaker 14: architecke whatever, followed by the mate.

968
00:51:02,335 --> 00:51:03,975
Speaker 5: Oh yeah that's closely yep.

969
00:51:04,415 --> 00:51:06,815
Speaker 14: Yeah, because you know what when I'm on a boy's

970
00:51:06,895 --> 00:51:10,455
Speaker 14: trip away or if I've died, my wife needs to

971
00:51:10,535 --> 00:51:13,815
Speaker 14: know how to access that stuff. Yes, so we've done

972
00:51:13,895 --> 00:51:16,055
Speaker 14: two things. One we've got the same pink code on

973
00:51:16,175 --> 00:51:19,015
Speaker 14: our phone, so she didn't open my phone. And two

974
00:51:19,055 --> 00:51:21,455
Speaker 14: I've shared it and put it on her phone. Oh,

975
00:51:22,775 --> 00:51:24,975
Speaker 14: if I'm away in and there's a leak and you

976
00:51:25,055 --> 00:51:27,775
Speaker 14: know something like the guess, she can look up guests

977
00:51:27,855 --> 00:51:30,495
Speaker 14: for it, and there's two, two or three of them.

978
00:51:30,575 --> 00:51:32,775
Speaker 14: Mere she can take a picture. She can't get the

979
00:51:32,815 --> 00:51:37,095
Speaker 14: first guy or girl. How brilliant and it's easy, and

980
00:51:37,215 --> 00:51:40,855
Speaker 14: you know what the amount of clients and friends. I've

981
00:51:40,895 --> 00:51:44,615
Speaker 14: shared that to your phone, you know, like the someone

982
00:51:44,655 --> 00:51:48,255
Speaker 14: wants a cobblestone Mayer here it is cobblestone Mayer Gordon.

983
00:51:48,895 --> 00:51:49,055
Speaker 6: Yea.

984
00:51:49,775 --> 00:51:50,855
Speaker 7: It makes it so easy.

985
00:51:51,055 --> 00:51:54,535
Speaker 14: So go that step further, either share your pink code

986
00:51:54,575 --> 00:51:56,575
Speaker 14: with your wife or put those trades on her phone,

987
00:51:56,615 --> 00:51:59,895
Speaker 14: because it's probably the hassle when you're away trying to go.

988
00:52:01,215 --> 00:52:02,695
Speaker 14: You know, you don't want to be getting a call

989
00:52:02,735 --> 00:52:05,215
Speaker 14: to figure out who talk to him.

990
00:52:05,255 --> 00:52:09,535
Speaker 5: And so it's really and I do quite like that

991
00:52:09,735 --> 00:52:12,215
Speaker 5: with and I've got sort of the same thing in

992
00:52:12,295 --> 00:52:14,615
Speaker 5: my phone that often it will be John, and then

993
00:52:14,735 --> 00:52:17,055
Speaker 5: in brackets plumber, you know John Sparky.

994
00:52:19,575 --> 00:52:21,495
Speaker 14: If your wife doesn't know it's John.

995
00:52:21,655 --> 00:52:23,695
Speaker 5: Yes, but then you just search for a spark.

996
00:52:25,015 --> 00:52:27,215
Speaker 14: I suppose, yeah, I yes, I.

997
00:52:27,255 --> 00:52:28,255
Speaker 6: Mean I do.

998
00:52:29,055 --> 00:52:31,015
Speaker 5: But there I looked through my phone the other day

999
00:52:31,295 --> 00:52:34,695
Speaker 5: because you know it's a tool, right, and I go

1000
00:52:35,015 --> 00:52:37,695
Speaker 5: I went into I just went into count into contexts.

1001
00:52:37,695 --> 00:52:43,215
Speaker 5: Actually total number of contexts two thousand and eighty two. Yeah,

1002
00:52:43,335 --> 00:52:45,975
Speaker 5: and I'm thinking, I'm we and we never call them.

1003
00:52:48,575 --> 00:52:51,135
Speaker 5: I did say it was a producer. To be fair,

1004
00:52:51,255 --> 00:52:53,335
Speaker 5: some of them are people who have passed away. I

1005
00:52:53,495 --> 00:52:56,695
Speaker 5: just don't want to lose their numbers. So anyway, Hey Mack,

1006
00:52:56,735 --> 00:52:58,295
Speaker 5: thanks very much for the call. You have a great

1007
00:52:58,375 --> 00:53:02,015
Speaker 5: day all of us. Take care by then, uh three

1008
00:53:02,095 --> 00:53:04,495
Speaker 5: trades of my phone context list is my husband? He

1009
00:53:04,655 --> 00:53:07,735
Speaker 5: does all three. We might need to talk about that,

1010
00:53:07,855 --> 00:53:11,375
Speaker 5: to be fair. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

1011
00:53:11,815 --> 00:53:18,135
Speaker 5: number sent through your painting questions as well. Because Bryce,

1012
00:53:18,215 --> 00:53:21,775
Speaker 5: our painting expert from Razine, will be with us in

1013
00:53:22,375 --> 00:53:25,055
Speaker 5: about ten minutes or so, so we'll take your questions

1014
00:53:25,335 --> 00:53:28,255
Speaker 5: on all things painting as well. Eight hundred eighty ten

1015
00:53:28,375 --> 00:53:32,855
Speaker 5: eighty is the number two call, Hey, Dave, good morning

1016
00:53:32,895 --> 00:53:33,015
Speaker 5: to you.

1017
00:53:34,495 --> 00:53:35,655
Speaker 6: Oh hello today, Dave.

1018
00:53:36,815 --> 00:53:40,135
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, I've just been listening to your talk back

1019
00:53:40,175 --> 00:53:41,735
Speaker 10: here for half an hour and more now, and it's

1020
00:53:41,855 --> 00:53:45,615
Speaker 10: it's quite interestingly different things people are saying about building

1021
00:53:45,695 --> 00:53:49,455
Speaker 10: and that, but our work as a painter decorator. I'm

1022
00:53:49,615 --> 00:53:50,855
Speaker 10: retired actually.

1023
00:53:51,135 --> 00:53:51,895
Speaker 7: Yes still.

1024
00:53:52,815 --> 00:53:56,015
Speaker 10: And one thing I've noticed as a trend over for

1025
00:53:56,095 --> 00:53:58,775
Speaker 10: quite a few years now of the obsession with the

1026
00:53:58,855 --> 00:54:05,855
Speaker 10: color of black, yeah, especially roofs. And I've traveled a

1027
00:54:05,895 --> 00:54:10,735
Speaker 10: bit to Japan and Australia come back in God, what's

1028
00:54:10,775 --> 00:54:14,015
Speaker 10: gone wrong with New Zealand? We're gone to this depressing color.

1029
00:54:17,335 --> 00:54:19,975
Speaker 10: I actually went to a new house the other day

1030
00:54:20,055 --> 00:54:22,775
Speaker 10: to do a bit of work and I've got a shop.

1031
00:54:22,815 --> 00:54:25,895
Speaker 10: When I saw this house, it had to be how

1032
00:54:25,935 --> 00:54:28,975
Speaker 10: diliest thing I've ever seen. It was actually squeer like

1033
00:54:29,055 --> 00:54:29,535
Speaker 10: a shed.

1034
00:54:30,495 --> 00:54:31,055
Speaker 4: It was all.

1035
00:54:30,975 --> 00:54:35,415
Speaker 10: Corrugated iron, beautiful outside, and it was painted black.

1036
00:54:35,815 --> 00:54:36,295
Speaker 5: Gorgeous.

1037
00:54:38,895 --> 00:54:44,975
Speaker 10: Oh my god, what happened? But there seems that I'm

1038
00:54:45,015 --> 00:54:46,575
Speaker 10: just like to me, it seems to be a tree

1039
00:54:46,615 --> 00:54:47,055
Speaker 10: in now.

1040
00:54:47,455 --> 00:54:49,855
Speaker 5: Yeah, people do want dark colors. And look, I did

1041
00:54:49,855 --> 00:54:53,575
Speaker 5: a little project where we added a sleepout slash office

1042
00:54:53,615 --> 00:54:55,215
Speaker 5: at the back and I wanted that to kind of

1043
00:54:55,615 --> 00:54:58,055
Speaker 5: just disappear in the backyard, and so we ended up

1044
00:54:58,095 --> 00:55:01,575
Speaker 5: painting at a really dark color as it happens, because

1045
00:55:01,575 --> 00:55:03,655
Speaker 5: it's a dark color, and some of like some of

1046
00:55:03,695 --> 00:55:07,415
Speaker 5: it was corrugated cladding corri of iron cladding, so that's

1047
00:55:07,495 --> 00:55:10,775
Speaker 5: baked in so roof and two walls Corrigo dye for durability.

1048
00:55:11,215 --> 00:55:13,575
Speaker 5: Other two walls were battened and board, but I wanted

1049
00:55:13,615 --> 00:55:16,055
Speaker 5: them to be dark. Ended up using the Raisin Cool

1050
00:55:16,095 --> 00:55:18,935
Speaker 5: color system, so you can do that because otherwise dark

1051
00:55:19,015 --> 00:55:21,495
Speaker 5: colors on timber is not recommended, and in fact it

1052
00:55:21,575 --> 00:55:23,895
Speaker 5: might avoid the warranty. But look, people do want it.

1053
00:55:24,495 --> 00:55:26,255
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't find it, Like I don't mind.

1054
00:55:26,695 --> 00:55:29,415
Speaker 5: My own house is a light color, right. The project

1055
00:55:29,455 --> 00:55:32,175
Speaker 5: that we did, we painted it black white. It's basically

1056
00:55:32,455 --> 00:55:36,895
Speaker 5: stark white. So I just think if people want to

1057
00:55:37,415 --> 00:55:39,935
Speaker 5: individualize themselves and that sort of thing, I certainly have

1058
00:55:40,055 --> 00:55:43,815
Speaker 5: no issue around painting something dark or having a dark house,

1059
00:55:44,495 --> 00:55:46,535
Speaker 5: as long as you understand how it performs in terms

1060
00:55:46,575 --> 00:55:49,375
Speaker 5: of heat retention, and also that you're choosing the right

1061
00:55:49,455 --> 00:55:53,215
Speaker 5: materials so that it doesn't impact on durability of the paint. System.

1062
00:55:53,455 --> 00:55:55,935
Speaker 5: But a funny thing was Dave two the other day.

1063
00:55:56,015 --> 00:56:00,655
Speaker 5: I was yesterday, literally I left these gardens just outside

1064
00:56:00,695 --> 00:56:05,055
Speaker 5: of Ashburton on the out on Racecourse Road I think

1065
00:56:05,095 --> 00:56:07,935
Speaker 5: it was, and I was heading back in and there

1066
00:56:08,015 --> 00:56:11,175
Speaker 5: was a new build going on and it was exactly

1067
00:56:11,215 --> 00:56:14,215
Speaker 5: what you were talking about. It was dark, basically black

1068
00:56:14,295 --> 00:56:17,615
Speaker 5: corrugated iron. And as I drove past, the kind of

1069
00:56:17,655 --> 00:56:20,935
Speaker 5: look back and what it was was basically five garages.

1070
00:56:20,975 --> 00:56:23,855
Speaker 5: I kid you not five garages and then a little

1071
00:56:23,935 --> 00:56:27,735
Speaker 5: house at the end. And I'm like, hmm, okay, I

1072
00:56:27,855 --> 00:56:30,895
Speaker 5: get that. Actually it's about the right proportion. Five garages,

1073
00:56:30,975 --> 00:56:33,015
Speaker 5: small house at the end. That'll work. Oh wait, one

1074
00:56:33,055 --> 00:56:35,095
Speaker 5: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call

1075
00:56:36,455 --> 00:56:38,655
Speaker 5: a couple of text messages. Oh now we're getting a

1076
00:56:38,815 --> 00:56:41,415
Speaker 5: bunch of texts for Bryce, which is awesome because he's

1077
00:56:41,455 --> 00:56:43,855
Speaker 5: on the line. We're going to talk to Bryce McDermott,

1078
00:56:43,895 --> 00:56:46,895
Speaker 5: our painting expert from Razine straight after the break. If

1079
00:56:46,935 --> 00:56:49,935
Speaker 5: you've got a specific painting question, text them through to

1080
00:56:50,015 --> 00:56:52,175
Speaker 5: me right now. And a very good morning and a

1081
00:56:52,215 --> 00:56:54,575
Speaker 5: warm welcome to you, Bryce McDermott. Thanks for getting up

1082
00:56:55,295 --> 00:56:58,735
Speaker 5: extra early on a good on daylight Savings morning?

1083
00:56:58,815 --> 00:56:59,495
Speaker 6: How are you? Bryce?

1084
00:57:01,255 --> 00:57:01,495
Speaker 5: Hello?

1085
00:57:01,575 --> 00:57:01,855
Speaker 6: Bryce?

1086
00:57:02,055 --> 00:57:02,335
Speaker 7: Oops?

1087
00:57:02,655 --> 00:57:04,855
Speaker 5: Sorry, mate, there we go, there you go, gotcha? Yeah

1088
00:57:05,295 --> 00:57:07,695
Speaker 5: you are indeed, Hey, thank you very much. I mean,

1089
00:57:07,735 --> 00:57:09,375
Speaker 5: I know it's always it's a little bit of a

1090
00:57:09,455 --> 00:57:12,055
Speaker 5: struggle when we swap into daylight saving. So thanks for

1091
00:57:12,135 --> 00:57:12,935
Speaker 5: joining us this morning.

1092
00:57:13,735 --> 00:57:18,735
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I've forgot to put the clock forward instantly

1093
00:57:18,855 --> 00:57:19,415
Speaker 7: left an hour?

1094
00:57:19,775 --> 00:57:23,735
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, I set the car yesterday. But now

1095
00:57:24,375 --> 00:57:27,175
Speaker 5: I'm sure most of us now walk up to the

1096
00:57:27,255 --> 00:57:29,575
Speaker 5: microwave into the oven and go, now, how do I

1097
00:57:29,775 --> 00:57:33,295
Speaker 5: change the time again? I inevitably have to go back

1098
00:57:33,335 --> 00:57:35,255
Speaker 5: to the instruction manual. Anyway, that's not what we're here

1099
00:57:35,335 --> 00:57:40,295
Speaker 5: to talk about. We're into spring officially, we're into daylight

1100
00:57:40,375 --> 00:57:43,095
Speaker 5: saving officially. A lot of us are starting to think

1101
00:57:43,135 --> 00:57:48,175
Speaker 5: about exterior painting. So before painting is prep. Top things

1102
00:57:48,255 --> 00:57:48,935
Speaker 5: to do with prep?

1103
00:57:49,135 --> 00:57:51,535
Speaker 6: Right? Yeah, Well, the.

1104
00:57:51,615 --> 00:57:54,295
Speaker 7: First thing is just to go through the shed, I

1105
00:57:54,335 --> 00:57:56,415
Speaker 7: would imagine, and make sure that you go all the

1106
00:57:56,455 --> 00:57:57,135
Speaker 7: gear that you need.

1107
00:57:57,535 --> 00:57:58,775
Speaker 6: You know, your.

1108
00:57:58,695 --> 00:58:01,335
Speaker 7: Extension cords and your ladders and everything like that are

1109
00:58:01,415 --> 00:58:04,655
Speaker 7: up to scratch. Yes, you know, your roll with sleeves

1110
00:58:04,695 --> 00:58:06,655
Speaker 7: and your tools and your paint brushes and all that

1111
00:58:06,775 --> 00:58:09,535
Speaker 7: sort of stuff. Just have a good flassic through and

1112
00:58:09,975 --> 00:58:11,415
Speaker 7: just make sure you're all ready to go.

1113
00:58:12,215 --> 00:58:12,415
Speaker 6: Yep.

1114
00:58:14,895 --> 00:58:17,095
Speaker 5: And then in terms of actual prep, you know, if

1115
00:58:17,335 --> 00:58:22,175
Speaker 5: it's the classic weatherboard house, maybe it's get you know,

1116
00:58:22,255 --> 00:58:24,135
Speaker 5: getting to that point where you're starting to see a

1117
00:58:24,175 --> 00:58:27,215
Speaker 5: bit of flaking or losing some color and maybe there's

1118
00:58:27,215 --> 00:58:29,375
Speaker 5: a little bit of rock developing. You know, if it's

1119
00:58:29,415 --> 00:58:33,095
Speaker 5: not the complete strip back, typically, what's the process for

1120
00:58:33,615 --> 00:58:36,575
Speaker 5: that prep prior to painting, Well, you.

1121
00:58:36,575 --> 00:58:39,215
Speaker 7: Know, you need to wash the area down to know

1122
00:58:39,935 --> 00:58:44,015
Speaker 7: who's our house washing paint prep, you know, scrub the

1123
00:58:44,815 --> 00:58:47,695
Speaker 7: building down and just get rid of any dust and

1124
00:58:47,775 --> 00:58:52,135
Speaker 7: moss and mold and stuff, and then scrape and send

1125
00:58:52,215 --> 00:58:55,415
Speaker 7: any any loose and flaking areas and spot prime those

1126
00:58:55,495 --> 00:58:58,695
Speaker 7: and then to recoating. You know, when the weather is

1127
00:59:00,655 --> 00:59:02,815
Speaker 7: to scratch sort of thing. It's not looking at great

1128
00:59:02,815 --> 00:59:08,135
Speaker 7: at the moment, but you know it's still a little

1129
00:59:08,175 --> 00:59:12,775
Speaker 7: bit cold for September, yeah, which will be October very shortly,

1130
00:59:12,855 --> 00:59:15,815
Speaker 7: but it's still quite a little bit cold for this

1131
00:59:15,895 --> 00:59:16,415
Speaker 7: time of the year.

1132
00:59:16,455 --> 00:59:18,855
Speaker 5: That I thought, Yeah, so again you've got to be

1133
00:59:19,055 --> 00:59:20,495
Speaker 5: very aware of that that you don't want to be

1134
00:59:20,535 --> 00:59:23,015
Speaker 5: painting too early in the morning and leave enough time

1135
00:59:23,095 --> 00:59:24,455
Speaker 5: for it to dry in the afternoons.

1136
00:59:25,095 --> 00:59:27,735
Speaker 7: Yeah, between ten and two when it dry quite cold.

1137
00:59:28,055 --> 00:59:31,615
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, brilliant. Like, let's rip into a couple of questions.

1138
00:59:31,655 --> 00:59:34,295
Speaker 5: We've got some doozies. Good morning, Peat and Brice. I've

1139
00:59:34,415 --> 00:59:37,695
Speaker 5: just used dura groove, which is a fiber cement panel

1140
00:59:37,815 --> 00:59:42,255
Speaker 5: for interior lining. How do I prepare for painting and

1141
00:59:42,415 --> 00:59:46,175
Speaker 5: what paint do I use? So dura groove is probably

1142
00:59:46,335 --> 00:59:49,575
Speaker 5: like a looks like a tongue groove sheet, but it

1143
00:59:49,695 --> 00:59:52,375
Speaker 5: is fiber cement and it's on the interior. So what's

1144
00:59:52,455 --> 00:59:52,935
Speaker 5: the process?

1145
00:59:54,455 --> 00:59:57,295
Speaker 7: Well, I mean providing it's all dust free and brand

1146
00:59:57,375 --> 01:00:00,855
Speaker 7: new and everything like that. You know, you could use

1147
01:00:00,935 --> 01:00:04,695
Speaker 7: in a correct prime and like quick dry, you know,

1148
01:00:04,975 --> 01:00:08,575
Speaker 7: paint that up and and whatever your Topkate color is

1149
01:00:08,615 --> 01:00:11,855
Speaker 7: going to be. Because it's interior, a quick drive be

1150
01:00:11,895 --> 01:00:12,655
Speaker 7: absolutely fine.

1151
01:00:12,695 --> 01:00:17,015
Speaker 5: I would have made right, okay. And then would you

1152
01:00:17,335 --> 01:00:20,175
Speaker 5: like just trying to think how they might have fixed it,

1153
01:00:20,255 --> 01:00:22,735
Speaker 5: whether it's they've pinned it on or screwed it on.

1154
01:00:23,215 --> 01:00:26,295
Speaker 5: Would you fill the holes before priming or would you

1155
01:00:26,455 --> 01:00:28,615
Speaker 5: prime it then fill the holes then spot prime?

1156
01:00:30,295 --> 01:00:42,095
Speaker 7: I would probably hmmm, yes, I would probably prime before

1157
01:00:42,295 --> 01:00:46,735
Speaker 7: before you've you know, you put the yeah filler and

1158
01:00:46,895 --> 01:00:48,495
Speaker 7: then fill them then spot prime.

1159
01:00:48,855 --> 01:00:52,695
Speaker 5: Absolutely all right, that's awesome. Now, someone who wants to

1160
01:00:52,775 --> 01:00:57,415
Speaker 5: paint seiling battings, skirts, and architraves that are currently polyurethane,

1161
01:00:58,015 --> 01:01:02,575
Speaker 5: So how best to achieve that process? Wide? So polyurethane

1162
01:01:02,735 --> 01:01:06,455
Speaker 5: on skirts, architraves and ceiling batons, painting.

1163
01:01:06,135 --> 01:01:10,535
Speaker 7: Them okay, give them a good clean down, yep, and

1164
01:01:11,215 --> 01:01:13,535
Speaker 7: just lightly send them up for a tenant to provide

1165
01:01:13,535 --> 01:01:16,775
Speaker 7: a key. And then you can use a new product

1166
01:01:16,815 --> 01:01:19,615
Speaker 7: of ours called water board and sure seal, which will

1167
01:01:19,775 --> 01:01:23,775
Speaker 7: stick quite happily to polyuythane type surfaces and things like that,

1168
01:01:24,775 --> 01:01:27,055
Speaker 7: and then proceed with a paint color over the top

1169
01:01:27,455 --> 01:01:32,175
Speaker 7: and acrylic undercoat or even an oil undercoat. But you know,

1170
01:01:32,335 --> 01:01:35,455
Speaker 7: waterboard sure seal is awesome for sticking for that sort

1171
01:01:35,495 --> 01:01:35,855
Speaker 7: of stuff.

1172
01:01:37,695 --> 01:01:42,175
Speaker 5: Awesome. Okay. Now, exterior timber vertical weather boards that have

1173
01:01:42,335 --> 01:01:45,175
Speaker 5: been oiled, people are thinking about painting them as a

1174
01:01:45,255 --> 01:01:48,495
Speaker 5: long lasting option. The oiling is well over board, so

1175
01:01:48,615 --> 01:01:51,735
Speaker 5: the boards look well overduice, so the boards look pretty dry.

1176
01:01:52,175 --> 01:01:52,855
Speaker 5: Best course of.

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01:01:52,895 --> 01:01:58,775
Speaker 7: Action hmmm, oiled, I'm goin to.

1178
01:02:00,495 --> 01:02:00,775
Speaker 14: Oil.

1179
01:02:01,655 --> 01:02:05,095
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, like like a Dryden's or a wood

1180
01:02:05,255 --> 01:02:08,575
Speaker 7: x or something like that. Yes, in which case there's

1181
01:02:08,695 --> 01:02:11,615
Speaker 7: probably not a lot you can do because you know,

1182
01:02:11,775 --> 01:02:14,215
Speaker 7: mineral oils look like they've disappeared on the surface, but

1183
01:02:14,335 --> 01:02:18,775
Speaker 7: they're actually still floating around inside the timber fibers, and

1184
01:02:18,935 --> 01:02:23,495
Speaker 7: oil painting them and or undercoating them, which you'd have

1185
01:02:23,615 --> 01:02:26,935
Speaker 7: to do with an oil undercoat, would actually draw the

1186
01:02:27,015 --> 01:02:30,855
Speaker 7: oils out and it would you know, the paint would

1187
01:02:31,175 --> 01:02:36,135
Speaker 7: basically start peeling away and basic. So you know, if

1188
01:02:36,175 --> 01:02:39,815
Speaker 7: it's an oil, a mineral oil, especially you've had it

1189
01:02:40,015 --> 01:02:42,575
Speaker 7: basically you have to stick with a mineral oil to

1190
01:02:42,895 --> 01:02:43,255
Speaker 7: carry on.

1191
01:02:44,095 --> 01:02:47,055
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, So it's important then that you try and

1192
01:02:47,095 --> 01:02:49,495
Speaker 5: do some research as to what's already on there to

1193
01:02:49,615 --> 01:02:52,055
Speaker 5: make sure that you've got compatibility. Okay.

1194
01:02:52,215 --> 01:02:52,415
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1195
01:02:52,455 --> 01:02:56,495
Speaker 7: If it's a standard penetrating stain like Woodsman or something

1196
01:02:56,615 --> 01:02:59,255
Speaker 7: like that, you'd be fine. Yep, you just have to

1197
01:02:59,295 --> 01:03:01,455
Speaker 7: put an oil based wood primer on it. But if

1198
01:03:01,495 --> 01:03:04,015
Speaker 7: it's a mineral oil, then you need to watch out.

1199
01:03:04,975 --> 01:03:05,175
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1200
01:03:05,455 --> 01:03:09,815
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now, someone that has moved and recently

1201
01:03:09,975 --> 01:03:11,575
Speaker 5: and the inside of the garage is in need of

1202
01:03:11,615 --> 01:03:14,215
Speaker 5: a paint. They found an almost full can of and

1203
01:03:14,335 --> 01:03:16,495
Speaker 5: it happens to be a not razine paint, so we'll

1204
01:03:16,575 --> 01:03:19,655
Speaker 5: leave that out for a second. Exterior lochine x so

1205
01:03:19,895 --> 01:03:24,895
Speaker 5: an old can of exterior lo sheine paint. What I mean,

1206
01:03:26,335 --> 01:03:29,495
Speaker 5: like I to be fair, I use some polyurethane the

1207
01:03:29,535 --> 01:03:33,935
Speaker 5: other day that I bought in twenty sixteen, right, and

1208
01:03:34,575 --> 01:03:37,375
Speaker 5: I sent a photograph actually to you, mate, Jay and

1209
01:03:37,495 --> 01:03:40,455
Speaker 5: when look at me, buddy, Horder hanging on to old paint.

1210
01:03:40,775 --> 01:03:43,095
Speaker 5: But it seems to be okay. But there is kind

1211
01:03:43,135 --> 01:03:45,735
Speaker 5: of a golden rule around how long you can keep paint.

1212
01:03:45,855 --> 01:03:48,335
Speaker 5: Isn't there before it's it's no longer good?

1213
01:03:49,455 --> 01:03:51,895
Speaker 7: Yeah, it depends on how it's stored. Right, you know,

1214
01:03:52,055 --> 01:03:56,055
Speaker 7: if the can is air tight, you know, you might

1215
01:03:56,215 --> 01:03:59,535
Speaker 7: be okay with it. Yes, with a crylics you know,

1216
01:03:59,775 --> 01:04:02,935
Speaker 7: this ear gets in obviously they'll just yep, you'll get

1217
01:04:02,935 --> 01:04:05,855
Speaker 7: a big thick skin on the top of it. Either

1218
01:04:05,935 --> 01:04:08,015
Speaker 7: that or you know, after a period of time, they

1219
01:04:08,015 --> 01:04:09,655
Speaker 7: actually start to go off, you know.

1220
01:04:09,695 --> 01:04:10,575
Speaker 6: And they smell bad.

1221
01:04:11,575 --> 01:04:13,415
Speaker 7: So check it out first.

1222
01:04:14,055 --> 01:04:16,495
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you open the lid and it smells bad,

1223
01:04:16,775 --> 01:04:20,095
Speaker 5: like that classic rotten egg smell, then go and recycle

1224
01:04:20,135 --> 01:04:22,855
Speaker 5: the paint, get rid of it and buy some proper.

1225
01:04:22,615 --> 01:04:25,695
Speaker 7: Page down to one of our stores and get it recycled.

1226
01:04:25,895 --> 01:04:31,575
Speaker 5: Brilliant, brilliant. Now someone wants to paint their shed an

1227
01:04:31,655 --> 01:04:34,735
Speaker 5: iron shed, so you know, maybe sort of a pre

1228
01:04:34,895 --> 01:04:39,255
Speaker 5: coated iron shed. What would they need to PreK or

1229
01:04:39,295 --> 01:04:40,415
Speaker 5: to undercoat first?

1230
01:04:40,735 --> 01:04:41,295
Speaker 6: What product?

1231
01:04:42,815 --> 01:04:45,335
Speaker 7: If it is color steel, then we have a product

1232
01:04:45,375 --> 01:04:51,135
Speaker 7: called pre coated steel Primer that you can put that

1233
01:04:51,255 --> 01:04:53,495
Speaker 7: on if you've done on your preparation and spot priming

1234
01:04:53,575 --> 01:04:55,535
Speaker 7: and checking for rust and all that sort of stuff.

1235
01:04:56,775 --> 01:05:01,575
Speaker 7: And then two coats of Summit roof, which is lochene

1236
01:05:01,895 --> 01:05:04,335
Speaker 7: roof paint. But you know, you can use it on

1237
01:05:05,215 --> 01:05:10,615
Speaker 7: color steel types situations. If it's just plain old beer

1238
01:05:10,735 --> 01:05:15,415
Speaker 7: old galvanized iron, then you'd have to go to Galveoux one.

1239
01:05:15,575 --> 01:05:19,055
Speaker 7: But again, preparation and treating rust and all that sort

1240
01:05:19,055 --> 01:05:21,455
Speaker 7: of stuff is the best thing to do.

1241
01:05:21,895 --> 01:05:25,855
Speaker 5: Yeah. Interesting, when we've talked a bit about preparation, I

1242
01:05:25,975 --> 01:05:29,695
Speaker 5: have to say the difference between you know, typically we

1243
01:05:29,815 --> 01:05:32,255
Speaker 5: would talk about preparation being I'm just going to hit

1244
01:05:32,255 --> 01:05:33,735
Speaker 5: it with a water blaster, right, so I want to

1245
01:05:33,735 --> 01:05:35,175
Speaker 5: paint the outside the house, I'm just going to hit

1246
01:05:35,215 --> 01:05:38,055
Speaker 5: it with a water blaster. One that can have unintended

1247
01:05:38,095 --> 01:05:41,175
Speaker 5: consequences in terms of ripping through the paint and rumbling

1248
01:05:41,255 --> 01:05:42,735
Speaker 5: the paint and all the rest of it. But also

1249
01:05:44,415 --> 01:05:50,095
Speaker 5: using a proper proprietary house wash makes a massive difference,

1250
01:05:50,215 --> 01:05:55,575
Speaker 5: doesn't it. That's worth investing in guaranteed when you want

1251
01:05:55,615 --> 01:05:58,855
Speaker 5: to do some paint prep is use a proprietary paint

1252
01:05:58,935 --> 01:05:59,775
Speaker 5: prep solution.

1253
01:06:00,655 --> 01:06:00,855
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1254
01:06:00,895 --> 01:06:03,615
Speaker 7: Well, you know we've got our house washing paint prep

1255
01:06:03,735 --> 01:06:06,695
Speaker 7: which you can use just to clean the house down. Yes,

1256
01:06:06,695 --> 01:06:08,815
Speaker 7: if you don't want to paint, you know, you can

1257
01:06:08,935 --> 01:06:10,535
Speaker 7: use it to clean your house down. And you know

1258
01:06:10,695 --> 01:06:13,735
Speaker 7: it just lists it again and make it just lifts

1259
01:06:13,775 --> 01:06:15,655
Speaker 7: all the gun jo off. You know, we've got a

1260
01:06:15,815 --> 01:06:18,735
Speaker 7: muss and mold killer that it will rip through a

1261
01:06:18,735 --> 01:06:21,815
Speaker 7: whole lot of moss and mold. We've got our timber

1262
01:06:21,895 --> 01:06:25,455
Speaker 7: and deck wash that you use for preparing your deck

1263
01:06:25,575 --> 01:06:30,135
Speaker 7: before you restain. And you know, we've got a number

1264
01:06:30,175 --> 01:06:32,135
Speaker 7: of cleaners that you know and do all sorts of things.

1265
01:06:32,295 --> 01:06:34,975
Speaker 7: You know, we've got even a heavy duty housewash and

1266
01:06:35,015 --> 01:06:37,775
Speaker 7: paint prep that cuts through grease and stuff like that.

1267
01:06:37,855 --> 01:06:38,775
Speaker 7: And they're all water boards.

1268
01:06:39,095 --> 01:06:41,015
Speaker 6: Okay, it's all good stuff.

1269
01:06:41,095 --> 01:06:41,215
Speaker 14: You know.

1270
01:06:41,735 --> 01:06:44,015
Speaker 7: You mix them with water and follow the instructions and

1271
01:06:44,855 --> 01:06:45,895
Speaker 7: things will happen.

1272
01:06:46,375 --> 01:06:49,055
Speaker 5: Right, I must. My ears pricked up when you said

1273
01:06:49,055 --> 01:06:52,375
Speaker 5: heavy duty. That sounds like a bit of me, right quick.

1274
01:06:52,375 --> 01:06:54,815
Speaker 5: A couple of questions before we go dilimma to paint

1275
01:06:55,015 --> 01:06:58,255
Speaker 5: or stain deck boards and battons. What's the easiest for

1276
01:06:58,375 --> 01:07:06,735
Speaker 5: future on care going forward? So painting or staining? Yeah,

1277
01:07:07,695 --> 01:07:10,535
Speaker 5: for deck boards. I mean painting a deck means you're

1278
01:07:10,535 --> 01:07:12,295
Speaker 5: going to have to repaint it, and I would have

1279
01:07:12,335 --> 01:07:14,775
Speaker 5: thought the preparation is much more significant.

1280
01:07:15,975 --> 01:07:18,895
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, if it's stained now, then we'll just nip

1281
01:07:18,975 --> 01:07:21,415
Speaker 7: back to the timber and deck wash that we were

1282
01:07:21,495 --> 01:07:22,215
Speaker 7: just talking about.

1283
01:07:22,535 --> 01:07:23,895
Speaker 6: Yep, you give that a.

1284
01:07:23,895 --> 01:07:27,015
Speaker 7: Good scrub down. It actually opened to timber fibers or

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01:07:27,055 --> 01:07:29,855
Speaker 7: removes all the gunge and all that sort of horrible

1286
01:07:29,855 --> 01:07:33,895
Speaker 7: stuff that's on the deck and renders it ready for restaining.

1287
01:07:35,175 --> 01:07:37,335
Speaker 7: But you can still use it if you wish to paint.

1288
01:07:39,255 --> 01:07:41,615
Speaker 7: But then you'd have to go to an oil based

1289
01:07:41,655 --> 01:07:44,855
Speaker 7: wood primer and something like our walk on paving paint

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01:07:44,895 --> 01:07:45,775
Speaker 7: if you wanted to paint it.

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01:07:46,055 --> 01:07:49,535
Speaker 5: Yeah. Okay, Actually there's another one that's come through really

1292
01:07:49,575 --> 01:07:54,095
Speaker 5: good question. Actually, morning, can you paint old palaside plastic

1293
01:07:54,215 --> 01:07:57,335
Speaker 5: type weatherboards they're on a beach front area, so it's

1294
01:07:57,375 --> 01:08:02,615
Speaker 5: an older style PVC weatherboard. If you wanted to paint it,

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01:08:02,735 --> 01:08:04,815
Speaker 5: what would be the keying element?

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01:08:06,415 --> 01:08:09,295
Speaker 7: Stay away from a dark color for us, right, okay, yep,

1297
01:08:10,375 --> 01:08:12,935
Speaker 7: And you know dark colors, even cool colors will absorb

1298
01:08:13,495 --> 01:08:15,935
Speaker 7: you know, a lot of heat. If you paint them dark,

1299
01:08:16,015 --> 01:08:19,935
Speaker 7: then you can actually walk the color side cleanly. Sure, yep,

1300
01:08:20,815 --> 01:08:24,295
Speaker 7: but they'll need a really good clean down and to

1301
01:08:24,375 --> 01:08:26,335
Speaker 7: make sure that you know, with the housewash and paint

1302
01:08:26,415 --> 01:08:28,615
Speaker 7: prep to make sure that you know the surface is

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01:08:28,735 --> 01:08:32,135
Speaker 7: nice and clean. Yes, but with PBC you can generally

1304
01:08:32,255 --> 01:08:34,055
Speaker 7: just put them the croock coating straight over the top

1305
01:08:34,095 --> 01:08:37,055
Speaker 7: of it. Yeah, you don't need a prime or anything

1306
01:08:37,175 --> 01:08:40,135
Speaker 7: like that, you know, downpipes and things like that, you know,

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01:08:40,255 --> 01:08:43,815
Speaker 7: providing they're nice and clean, yes, it's they're okay to

1308
01:08:43,855 --> 01:08:46,535
Speaker 7: paint straight away, but make sure that you stay away

1309
01:08:46,575 --> 01:08:48,295
Speaker 7: from a dark color with that to the material.

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01:08:49,615 --> 01:08:51,615
Speaker 5: And this is a great one to end on, probably

1311
01:08:51,655 --> 01:08:54,935
Speaker 5: a dumb question, No, no such thing. How do you

1312
01:08:55,095 --> 01:08:58,215
Speaker 5: recycle paint and what does it end up? Where does

1313
01:08:58,255 --> 01:08:58,455
Speaker 5: it go?

1314
01:09:00,375 --> 01:09:02,255
Speaker 7: Well, you know, the easiest thing to do is is

1315
01:09:02,375 --> 01:09:04,015
Speaker 7: throw them in the back of the car. And drive

1316
01:09:04,095 --> 01:09:06,775
Speaker 7: down to one of our color shops. Yep, you know,

1317
01:09:06,895 --> 01:09:08,975
Speaker 7: the starf there will help you and sort through it

1318
01:09:09,095 --> 01:09:11,735
Speaker 7: and make sure that this. You know that all the

1319
01:09:11,855 --> 01:09:15,095
Speaker 7: cans are in good condition. There's nothing left inside them

1320
01:09:15,255 --> 01:09:19,255
Speaker 7: like an old roll asleep or a rag or a

1321
01:09:19,335 --> 01:09:25,455
Speaker 7: brush that somebody's lost. But yes, you know what happens

1322
01:09:25,495 --> 01:09:28,455
Speaker 7: if the paint is reusable, it gets seen away and

1323
01:09:30,255 --> 01:09:33,495
Speaker 7: the good paint all gets mixed up and turned into

1324
01:09:33,695 --> 01:09:36,495
Speaker 7: you know, anti graffiti sort of control stuff. You know,

1325
01:09:36,695 --> 01:09:40,975
Speaker 7: like a basic sort of browns and vases or what

1326
01:09:41,175 --> 01:09:44,055
Speaker 7: have you. But you know it's good for graffiti control

1327
01:09:44,215 --> 01:09:48,255
Speaker 7: for you know, community groups and stuff like that. The

1328
01:09:48,335 --> 01:09:52,855
Speaker 7: plastic buckets providing their raisine buckets gets ground up and

1329
01:09:52,975 --> 01:09:58,495
Speaker 7: recycled and turned into new rasine buckets. The metal four

1330
01:09:58,575 --> 01:10:00,935
Speaker 7: leader cans, one liter of cans and stuff. The metal

1331
01:10:00,975 --> 01:10:02,175
Speaker 7: actually gets recycled.

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01:10:02,775 --> 01:10:08,335
Speaker 5: Brilliant. It's quite a process, but it is, you know,

1333
01:10:08,575 --> 01:10:12,815
Speaker 5: it's it's not I'll be absolutely brunt. It's not greenwashing, right,

1334
01:10:12,935 --> 01:10:15,695
Speaker 5: So if you return your old paint to the Razine

1335
01:10:15,735 --> 01:10:18,495
Speaker 5: color shops, it does go to recycling of it. In fact,

1336
01:10:18,535 --> 01:10:20,695
Speaker 5: I've been out to one of the recycling plants. To

1337
01:10:20,775 --> 01:10:23,575
Speaker 5: see what they do in terms of separating different types

1338
01:10:23,615 --> 01:10:26,495
Speaker 5: of paint out what can be reused, what can be repurposed,

1339
01:10:26,855 --> 01:10:30,415
Speaker 5: and then recycling the tin. So you know, it's a

1340
01:10:30,735 --> 01:10:33,495
Speaker 5: it's a fantastic service. I have to say, MM.

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01:10:34,935 --> 01:10:37,255
Speaker 7: If you walk around their head office, they basically used

1342
01:10:37,335 --> 01:10:43,575
Speaker 7: old acrylic paint as an dative to cement. They've got

1343
01:10:43,695 --> 01:10:47,335
Speaker 7: these paved areas that have got paint in the cement.

1344
01:10:47,455 --> 01:10:50,215
Speaker 7: I'm not sure actually what it does, but that's what

1345
01:10:50,295 --> 01:10:54,615
Speaker 7: they've done with it. Also, we also we will take

1346
01:10:54,735 --> 01:10:58,015
Speaker 7: solvent as well and they get gent off to solvent

1347
01:10:58,095 --> 01:10:59,255
Speaker 7: reclamation and stuff like that.

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01:11:00,295 --> 01:11:03,895
Speaker 5: Fantastic Again, thank you very much for getting out just

1349
01:11:03,935 --> 01:11:07,415
Speaker 5: that little bit extra early on this first day Daylight saving.

1350
01:11:07,495 --> 01:11:11,095
Speaker 5: Bryce McDermott from Razine Color Shops, thank you very much

1351
01:11:11,095 --> 01:11:14,135
Speaker 5: for your time and your expertise. Really appreciate it. You

1352
01:11:14,215 --> 01:11:16,335
Speaker 5: have a great day. Take care Bryce all the very bit.

1353
01:11:16,415 --> 01:11:16,695
Speaker 6: Bye bye.

1354
01:11:16,735 --> 01:11:19,295
Speaker 5: Then your news talk se'd B will continue to talk

1355
01:11:19,415 --> 01:11:21,935
Speaker 5: all things building right through to all about eight thirty.

1356
01:11:21,975 --> 01:11:23,895
Speaker 5: We're going to do a quick interview with Hamish Firth,

1357
01:11:23,975 --> 01:11:27,215
Speaker 5: a planner from Mount Hobson Group. If you caught up

1358
01:11:27,255 --> 01:11:31,175
Speaker 5: with comments, I was Actuan Wellington last weekend or last

1359
01:11:31,215 --> 01:11:34,015
Speaker 5: week listening to Heather as I was walking around the waterfront,

1360
01:11:34,575 --> 01:11:37,055
Speaker 5: Chris Bishop was on saying, Hey, we've got some ideas

1361
01:11:37,255 --> 01:11:41,815
Speaker 5: around revising and re looking at the Resource Management Act.

1362
01:11:41,855 --> 01:11:43,455
Speaker 5: What's that going to mean for building? We'll have a

1363
01:11:43,535 --> 01:11:45,935
Speaker 5: quick chat with Hamish Firth about that, but we'll take

1364
01:11:45,975 --> 01:11:49,215
Speaker 5: your calls right now on eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1365
01:11:49,295 --> 01:11:51,895
Speaker 5: All Things Building in Construction. If you've got a question

1366
01:11:52,055 --> 01:11:56,815
Speaker 5: about building construction, materials, contractors, timelines, that sort of thing.

1367
01:11:57,215 --> 01:12:00,335
Speaker 5: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number taking your calls.

1368
01:12:00,535 --> 01:12:03,495
Speaker 5: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty All Things Building and Construction

1369
01:12:03,575 --> 01:12:06,095
Speaker 5: this morning on the show, quick text before we talk

1370
01:12:06,135 --> 01:12:09,535
Speaker 5: to Jackie Pete. A neighbor has built a garden shed

1371
01:12:09,975 --> 01:12:12,535
Speaker 5: hard up against the concrete block wall of our house.

1372
01:12:12,695 --> 01:12:15,415
Speaker 5: Is that legal if we need to do some maintenance

1373
01:12:15,495 --> 01:12:17,975
Speaker 5: and paint We need to do some maintenance and painting,

1374
01:12:18,255 --> 01:12:21,455
Speaker 5: but the shed is in the way. What can we do? Well,

1375
01:12:21,655 --> 01:12:24,175
Speaker 5: the shed's in the wrong place, the neighbor's shed. They

1376
01:12:24,215 --> 01:12:27,815
Speaker 5: have absolutely no right to build, certainly not especially if

1377
01:12:27,855 --> 01:12:31,775
Speaker 5: they've attached something to your block wall. So you know,

1378
01:12:32,015 --> 01:12:34,135
Speaker 5: I'm sort of got this picture of maybe a ribben

1379
01:12:34,175 --> 01:12:37,695
Speaker 5: plate being bolted on and then rafters being pitched off there,

1380
01:12:37,815 --> 01:12:40,215
Speaker 5: so your wall becomes one of the four walls of

1381
01:12:40,295 --> 01:12:42,455
Speaker 5: the shed. But even if that wasn't the case, if

1382
01:12:42,495 --> 01:12:46,655
Speaker 5: the shed is hard up against your block wall, that's

1383
01:12:46,975 --> 01:12:51,415
Speaker 5: non compliant. So the rule of thumb for garden sheds,

1384
01:12:51,495 --> 01:12:55,375
Speaker 5: and please don't laugh because hardly anyone does this, but

1385
01:12:56,655 --> 01:12:58,815
Speaker 5: the rule of thumb is that it should be the

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01:12:58,975 --> 01:13:04,455
Speaker 5: height of the shed away from the boundary. So you know,

1387
01:13:04,575 --> 01:13:07,135
Speaker 5: even if it's a relatively compact one one point eight meters,

1388
01:13:07,495 --> 01:13:10,215
Speaker 5: it should be one point eight meters away from the boundary. So,

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01:13:11,175 --> 01:13:14,415
Speaker 5: you know, never an easy conversation, but it might just

1390
01:13:14,495 --> 01:13:17,095
Speaker 5: be a conversation with a neighbor to say, hey, I'm

1391
01:13:17,175 --> 01:13:19,895
Speaker 5: really sorry. Here are the guidelines and you'll find them online.

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01:13:21,455 --> 01:13:24,495
Speaker 5: You just can't put it that close. Oh eight hundred

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01:13:24,575 --> 01:13:26,695
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighties the number to call Jackie. Good morning

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01:13:26,735 --> 01:13:28,735
Speaker 5: to you, good morning, thank you.

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01:13:28,775 --> 01:13:29,535
Speaker 9: For taking my call.

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01:13:29,695 --> 01:13:30,015
Speaker 5: Leasure.

1397
01:13:30,215 --> 01:13:31,815
Speaker 9: I said, I just said a question.

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01:13:31,975 --> 01:13:32,295
Speaker 6: Please.

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01:13:32,735 --> 01:13:37,615
Speaker 9: I've just done up a bathroom in a farmhouse and

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01:13:37,735 --> 01:13:42,255
Speaker 9: I changed the shower from being a curtain to a door. Yes,

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01:13:42,655 --> 01:13:45,855
Speaker 9: and doing so, the toilet had to be moved to

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01:13:45,935 --> 01:13:49,135
Speaker 9: allow the doors open without having a move. Now, the

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01:13:49,255 --> 01:13:52,495
Speaker 9: toilet is extremely close to the wall right where they've

1404
01:13:52,535 --> 01:13:56,375
Speaker 9: put it, like really closely when the page is never

1405
01:13:56,455 --> 01:13:59,015
Speaker 9: and a chat on it. You know, a man, you

1406
01:13:59,215 --> 01:14:00,455
Speaker 9: hit your shoulder.

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01:14:00,215 --> 01:14:00,695
Speaker 5: On the wall.

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01:14:00,775 --> 01:14:04,575
Speaker 9: Oh, okay, is there a minimum distance from a wall

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01:14:05,095 --> 01:14:08,935
Speaker 9: and can it? Can toilets be moved sideways a little bit,

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01:14:09,055 --> 01:14:12,535
Speaker 9: let's say about even one hundred mills would make a difference.

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01:14:12,655 --> 01:14:17,135
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, To be fair, whenever I've been setting out

1412
01:14:17,615 --> 01:14:20,695
Speaker 5: bathrooms and sort of you know, designing them or thinking

1413
01:14:20,695 --> 01:14:23,775
Speaker 5: about how i want to orientate the space, I've typically

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01:14:23,935 --> 01:14:27,015
Speaker 5: aimed to have four hundred and fifty millimeters from the

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01:14:27,135 --> 01:14:30,415
Speaker 5: center of the toilet from the pan to the sidewall.

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01:14:30,615 --> 01:14:33,775
Speaker 5: So ideally you need a space of about nine hundred

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01:14:33,815 --> 01:14:37,815
Speaker 5: millimeters and then the toilet goes in the middle of

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01:14:37,895 --> 01:14:41,775
Speaker 5: that space, and that just gives you look, it's basically

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01:14:41,935 --> 01:14:43,695
Speaker 5: room to move your arms right, and you need to

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01:14:43,775 --> 01:14:46,535
Speaker 5: move your arms to do your business on the toilet.

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01:14:47,335 --> 01:14:51,535
Speaker 5: That's what I've always worked for. Whether or not there

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01:14:51,655 --> 01:14:54,575
Speaker 5: is a specific requirement in the building code in terms

1423
01:14:54,615 --> 01:14:56,375
Speaker 5: of functionality, i'd have to go away and have a

1424
01:14:56,415 --> 01:14:58,655
Speaker 5: look at that, but I've always worked on this four

1425
01:14:58,655 --> 01:15:00,455
Speaker 5: point fifty raw. It could be a little bit less,

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01:15:00,735 --> 01:15:03,335
Speaker 5: but anything less than that starts to feel really cramped.

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01:15:04,095 --> 01:15:07,575
Speaker 9: Well, this is three hundred three hundred, yes.

1428
01:15:08,335 --> 01:15:11,495
Speaker 5: From the edge of the bowl, let's say, to the wall,

1429
01:15:11,695 --> 01:15:13,895
Speaker 5: or from the center of the bowl, from the center

1430
01:15:13,975 --> 01:15:15,095
Speaker 5: of oh crikey.

1431
01:15:16,015 --> 01:15:19,815
Speaker 9: Yes, Because I went into some manuals where you know,

1432
01:15:20,935 --> 01:15:23,975
Speaker 9: house manuals or bathroom manuals, and I looked and I

1433
01:15:24,095 --> 01:15:27,135
Speaker 9: saw that most of them were four fifty and I'm yeah,

1434
01:15:27,375 --> 01:15:31,855
Speaker 9: so this is extremely close. I feel question.

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01:15:33,855 --> 01:15:34,255
Speaker 14: Shifted.

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01:15:34,655 --> 01:15:37,895
Speaker 9: So everything being done, lino's been done, and.

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01:15:37,975 --> 01:15:40,855
Speaker 5: The boards that you know, yeah, yeah, so you'd have

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01:15:40,935 --> 01:15:43,335
Speaker 5: to redo the lino because chances are there won't be

1439
01:15:43,455 --> 01:15:47,015
Speaker 5: enough movement there for the base of the pan to

1440
01:15:47,175 --> 01:15:50,095
Speaker 5: cover the penetration through the floor. So you may need

1441
01:15:50,135 --> 01:15:52,175
Speaker 5: to do the lino. And you know, I mean, you

1442
01:15:52,255 --> 01:15:55,175
Speaker 5: can patch liner, but ideally you don't want joins in

1443
01:15:55,255 --> 01:15:59,775
Speaker 5: ther lino, particularly not around a toilet. And then obviously,

1444
01:16:00,095 --> 01:16:02,415
Speaker 5: you know these days, most of the time the penetration

1445
01:16:03,375 --> 01:16:06,735
Speaker 5: the water feed for the system system comes through the

1446
01:16:06,895 --> 01:16:10,335
Speaker 5: wall and is kind of concealed by the system itself,

1447
01:16:10,775 --> 01:16:12,935
Speaker 5: in which case that will need the wall we need

1448
01:16:13,015 --> 01:16:17,815
Speaker 5: to be cut open, and that moved along and then patched.

1449
01:16:17,455 --> 01:16:17,775
Speaker 7: And so on.

1450
01:16:19,695 --> 01:16:25,135
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's a fath, isn't it to do it? Look,

1451
01:16:25,415 --> 01:16:28,335
Speaker 5: it can be done, and if you had the space,

1452
01:16:28,495 --> 01:16:32,175
Speaker 5: obviously long term, you'd want to do it. But I

1453
01:16:32,895 --> 01:16:35,055
Speaker 5: don't know that i'd be that terribly happy with the

1454
01:16:35,135 --> 01:16:38,015
Speaker 5: plumber who went ahead and did it. And it's one

1455
01:16:38,055 --> 01:16:41,575
Speaker 5: of those things where you know, as a tradesperson, you know,

1456
01:16:41,895 --> 01:16:44,775
Speaker 5: you might like you might have laid out the bathroom

1457
01:16:44,855 --> 01:16:47,535
Speaker 5: and then the trades person comes along and the plumber

1458
01:16:47,575 --> 01:16:49,455
Speaker 5: in this case and goes, actually, you know what, my

1459
01:16:49,575 --> 01:16:52,055
Speaker 5: experience would tell me that that's not going to work

1460
01:16:52,135 --> 01:16:55,175
Speaker 5: particularly well. A quick phone call to go, hey, Jackie,

1461
01:16:55,335 --> 01:16:57,775
Speaker 5: are you aware that the way that it's laid out

1462
01:16:57,775 --> 01:16:59,615
Speaker 5: at the moment, it's going to be really close. Do

1463
01:16:59,655 --> 01:17:01,615
Speaker 5: you want to come and have a look or should

1464
01:17:01,655 --> 01:17:04,015
Speaker 5: I move it over or something like that? You know,

1465
01:17:04,455 --> 01:17:07,855
Speaker 5: just whacking it in sound particularly professional to me.

1466
01:17:08,735 --> 01:17:10,655
Speaker 9: No, Well, I left the plumber to do all the

1467
01:17:10,735 --> 01:17:13,175
Speaker 9: install of the shower and the toilet and the vanity.

1468
01:17:13,215 --> 01:17:13,575
Speaker 4: Of course.

1469
01:17:14,415 --> 01:17:17,135
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just and the set out of all of

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01:17:17,255 --> 01:17:19,775
Speaker 5: this was it from a plan or just the plumber

1471
01:17:19,855 --> 01:17:21,935
Speaker 5: working in that space making their own decisions.

1472
01:17:22,615 --> 01:17:24,375
Speaker 9: A plumber working in that space.

1473
01:17:26,015 --> 01:17:26,655
Speaker 14: Was purchased.

1474
01:17:27,415 --> 01:17:32,295
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so if it's three hundred milimeters from one wall,

1475
01:17:33,095 --> 01:17:36,015
Speaker 5: what's the distance to the next sort of obstacle on

1476
01:17:36,135 --> 01:17:36,815
Speaker 5: the other side.

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01:17:37,975 --> 01:17:41,055
Speaker 9: Is it the shower the shower door, Yes, the shower

1478
01:17:41,095 --> 01:17:45,175
Speaker 9: door that opens, but ah, if you swing the door open,

1479
01:17:46,375 --> 01:17:48,295
Speaker 9: it's a tight little bathroom if you swing the door

1480
01:17:49,575 --> 01:17:52,695
Speaker 9: about one hundred and fifty mils or before you hitched

1481
01:17:52,735 --> 01:17:55,295
Speaker 9: the toilet, if you swung the door open.

1482
01:17:55,095 --> 01:17:56,615
Speaker 4: If that made sense right.

1483
01:17:59,455 --> 01:18:02,015
Speaker 5: In defense of the plumber. It may also be one

1484
01:18:02,015 --> 01:18:04,895
Speaker 5: of those things where until you've actually got the shower

1485
01:18:04,935 --> 01:18:07,575
Speaker 5: in place, you don't all always know exactly where the

1486
01:18:07,615 --> 01:18:09,415
Speaker 5: shower door is going to swing. The arc of the

1487
01:18:09,455 --> 01:18:12,535
Speaker 5: shower door because it might pivot on a hinge. It

1488
01:18:12,655 --> 01:18:14,615
Speaker 5: might be on a hinge, it might you know. That's

1489
01:18:14,735 --> 01:18:17,175
Speaker 5: that sort of thing. So working that out, and I

1490
01:18:17,255 --> 01:18:19,655
Speaker 5: wonder if they've taken a cautious approach and moved the

1491
01:18:19,735 --> 01:18:22,215
Speaker 5: toilet further away to make sure they don't have that

1492
01:18:22,335 --> 01:18:25,655
Speaker 5: embarrassing situation where you've put the toilet in, you've assembled

1493
01:18:25,695 --> 01:18:28,255
Speaker 5: the shower, you go to open the door and it

1494
01:18:28,375 --> 01:18:32,895
Speaker 5: hits the toilet, right, So I get it from a

1495
01:18:32,975 --> 01:18:35,855
Speaker 5: practical point of view, but three hundred millimeters from the

1496
01:18:35,935 --> 01:18:38,735
Speaker 5: center to the side, is that that's not going to

1497
01:18:38,735 --> 01:18:41,135
Speaker 5: be a happy place Japan.

1498
01:18:44,375 --> 01:18:44,615
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1499
01:18:45,055 --> 01:18:49,935
Speaker 5: I mean, look, it can be changed, but ideally you

1500
01:18:50,015 --> 01:18:54,535
Speaker 5: don't want to patch in your lineer either. But yes,

1501
01:18:54,575 --> 01:18:58,055
Speaker 5: it can be changed, yeah, I think so. Yeah, Otherwise

1502
01:18:58,055 --> 01:18:59,775
Speaker 5: it's just going to be one of those frustrating things

1503
01:18:59,895 --> 01:19:05,215
Speaker 5: every time you're in that space. All the very best.

1504
01:19:05,935 --> 01:19:08,335
Speaker 5: Take care, yeah, take care of Jackie Bob. Then I

1505
01:19:08,455 --> 01:19:10,655
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty will take your call straight

1506
01:19:10,695 --> 01:19:12,535
Speaker 5: after News Sport and we're the top of the are

1507
01:19:12,815 --> 01:19:14,415
Speaker 5: We're also going to have a bit of a conversation

1508
01:19:14,535 --> 01:19:17,455
Speaker 5: with Hamish Firth, who is, in his own words, a

1509
01:19:17,575 --> 01:19:21,855
Speaker 5: good old fashioned planner, and that he is indeed around

1510
01:19:21,975 --> 01:19:26,055
Speaker 5: some proposed changes to the Resource Management Act. And I'll

1511
01:19:26,095 --> 01:19:29,295
Speaker 5: ask him about skinks as well, but that question will

1512
01:19:29,295 --> 01:19:31,535
Speaker 5: become obvious as to why I might be asking that

1513
01:19:32,175 --> 01:19:34,535
Speaker 5: in the next hour. I'll do it tally up as

1514
01:19:34,575 --> 01:19:40,335
Speaker 5: well about unscientific, unreliable, kind of off the cuff pole

1515
01:19:40,815 --> 01:19:44,655
Speaker 5: about do you have contacts for trades people in your

1516
01:19:44,695 --> 01:19:48,415
Speaker 5: phone and it seems like most of us do. Which,

1517
01:19:48,735 --> 01:19:52,055
Speaker 5: to be fair, someone's pointed out it's a program about building.

1518
01:19:52,175 --> 01:19:54,335
Speaker 5: Of course people have got contacts for builders. If you're

1519
01:19:54,335 --> 01:19:56,535
Speaker 5: listening to a building show, that's a fair point. Oh

1520
01:19:56,615 --> 01:19:58,255
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can give us call

1521
01:19:58,295 --> 01:20:00,215
Speaker 5: now we'll get things sorted out and back after the news.

1522
01:20:08,575 --> 01:20:09,655
Speaker 5: Here Sad.

1523
01:20:19,375 --> 01:20:22,015
Speaker 15: Flag into the Dugs.

1524
01:20:23,935 --> 01:20:25,095
Speaker 11: In a nasty word.

1525
01:20:25,415 --> 01:20:27,535
Speaker 8: So shine good.

1526
01:20:30,575 --> 01:20:32,375
Speaker 5: Your news. Talk's that'd be people wolf camp with you,

1527
01:20:32,495 --> 01:20:35,575
Speaker 5: resident builder, right through till nine o'clock. Let's call it

1528
01:20:35,695 --> 01:20:38,255
Speaker 5: nine o'clock this morning. Rud will be joining us at

1529
01:20:38,255 --> 01:20:41,415
Speaker 5: about eight thirty. Just a couple of responses to the

1530
01:20:41,535 --> 01:20:45,335
Speaker 5: text I mentioned before the news. I'm not sure that

1531
01:20:45,375 --> 01:20:48,895
Speaker 5: people are quite getting the full picture. One text reply.

1532
01:20:49,055 --> 01:20:52,175
Speaker 5: So the issue was the person who text and has

1533
01:20:52,295 --> 01:20:57,015
Speaker 5: got a block boundary wall, and then a neighbor has

1534
01:20:57,655 --> 01:21:00,615
Speaker 5: put up a shed right up against that block wall.

1535
01:21:00,735 --> 01:21:02,935
Speaker 5: Now they need to do some painting and some maintenance.

1536
01:21:02,975 --> 01:21:05,455
Speaker 5: They can't do it because the shed blocks access to

1537
01:21:05,575 --> 01:21:08,135
Speaker 5: the wall. A couple of people of texts and goes.

1538
01:21:08,375 --> 01:21:10,335
Speaker 5: Isn't it amusing that when one person is a shed

1539
01:21:10,415 --> 01:21:12,175
Speaker 5: the block wall on the boundary and gets annoyed that

1540
01:21:12,215 --> 01:21:14,495
Speaker 5: their neighbor puts a shed also directly on the boundary

1541
01:21:14,775 --> 01:21:18,375
Speaker 5: because it stops them being able to paint their shed. Yeah,

1542
01:21:18,415 --> 01:21:21,775
Speaker 5: but the point is that I presume, let's assume that

1543
01:21:22,055 --> 01:21:25,535
Speaker 5: the block wall has a consent for being on the boundary,

1544
01:21:25,655 --> 01:21:28,935
Speaker 5: the shed would not. That's why the shed has to move.

1545
01:21:29,975 --> 01:21:34,935
Speaker 5: That's how I would have seen it. Yes, so that's

1546
01:21:34,975 --> 01:21:37,615
Speaker 5: how that works. Anyway, we'll discuss that a bit later on.

1547
01:21:38,815 --> 01:21:41,495
Speaker 5: During the course of the week. See last week I

1548
01:21:41,575 --> 01:21:44,495
Speaker 5: listened to an interview with Heather duplic Allen here at

1549
01:21:44,575 --> 01:21:50,055
Speaker 5: Newstalk SeeDB talking with Chris Bishop, who is the minister

1550
01:21:50,255 --> 01:21:53,895
Speaker 5: looking at changes to the Resource Management Act. And I'm

1551
01:21:53,935 --> 01:21:56,335
Speaker 5: guessing that for most of us who have ever done

1552
01:21:56,495 --> 01:22:00,855
Speaker 5: a building project, or essentially a building project, whether that's

1553
01:22:00,855 --> 01:22:05,815
Speaker 5: a renovation, alteration, new build, or a development, we've encountered

1554
01:22:05,975 --> 01:22:09,775
Speaker 5: the Resource Management Act and over the years there's been

1555
01:22:09,775 --> 01:22:12,335
Speaker 5: a tremendous amount of frustration with it in terms of

1556
01:22:12,375 --> 01:22:16,615
Speaker 5: its complexity, the scope of it, and potentially the cost

1557
01:22:16,735 --> 01:22:20,615
Speaker 5: that it adds to building projects. So that's up for

1558
01:22:20,655 --> 01:22:22,655
Speaker 5: a review at the moment. Chris Bishop has announced that

1559
01:22:22,735 --> 01:22:25,255
Speaker 5: there will be some significant changes to get a bit

1560
01:22:25,295 --> 01:22:27,615
Speaker 5: of an insight into this from someone who knows the

1561
01:22:28,095 --> 01:22:31,375
Speaker 5: Resource Management Act inside out. It is my great pleasure

1562
01:22:31,415 --> 01:22:33,535
Speaker 5: to welcome back to the show Hamish Firth from Mount

1563
01:22:33,575 --> 01:22:35,175
Speaker 5: Hobson Group. Good morning, Hamish.

1564
01:22:35,695 --> 01:22:36,495
Speaker 6: Peter, good morning.

1565
01:22:37,055 --> 01:22:40,695
Speaker 5: Can I just start with if someone hasn't encountered the

1566
01:22:40,775 --> 01:22:44,255
Speaker 5: Resource Management Act because they know they've never done it, Like,

1567
01:22:44,815 --> 01:22:46,735
Speaker 5: what's it there for? In a nutshell?

1568
01:22:49,615 --> 01:22:53,855
Speaker 6: The Resource Management is there to guide development potential and

1569
01:22:54,015 --> 01:22:55,495
Speaker 6: to protect the environment.

1570
01:22:55,895 --> 01:22:59,095
Speaker 5: Okay, that makes sense, There's nothing wrong with that. So

1571
01:22:59,295 --> 01:23:02,055
Speaker 5: how has it become the beer myth that it has

1572
01:23:02,175 --> 01:23:05,335
Speaker 5: become now? And I'm thinking about the chap he was

1573
01:23:05,375 --> 01:23:09,415
Speaker 5: in the paper last week who wants to develop a

1574
01:23:09,535 --> 01:23:12,815
Speaker 5: house site in the Waite Tuckeries and has to pay

1575
01:23:13,095 --> 01:23:16,535
Speaker 5: for some ecological survey because there might be a native

1576
01:23:16,615 --> 01:23:19,735
Speaker 5: skink in the area. It's going to cost him tens

1577
01:23:19,775 --> 01:23:22,255
Speaker 5: of thousands of dollars? Is he having to do that

1578
01:23:22,535 --> 01:23:24,135
Speaker 5: because of the Resource Management Act?

1579
01:23:25,375 --> 01:23:28,695
Speaker 6: Absolutely? And I think what happens. Getting a resource consent

1580
01:23:28,815 --> 01:23:32,615
Speaker 6: has become like a privilege. So you should feel honored

1581
01:23:33,055 --> 01:23:34,735
Speaker 6: to get one of these now if you own a

1582
01:23:34,935 --> 01:23:38,935
Speaker 6: section in the Wackies where there might be some native bush. Yep,

1583
01:23:39,335 --> 01:23:42,615
Speaker 6: you should have a right to build a house subject

1584
01:23:42,695 --> 01:23:46,895
Speaker 6: to fulfilling some What I would say is simple obligations.

1585
01:23:47,495 --> 01:23:49,375
Speaker 6: What I get the sense of happen is it's become

1586
01:23:49,535 --> 01:23:53,775
Speaker 6: and I'm part of this, a gravy training. So do

1587
01:23:53,895 --> 01:23:56,255
Speaker 6: you want me to do a report? Of course I'll do,

1588
01:23:56,335 --> 01:23:59,095
Speaker 6: and you're going to pay me. Of course we need that.

1589
01:23:59,255 --> 01:24:03,455
Speaker 6: And then it's gone from requiring to needing to be telling.

1590
01:24:03,535 --> 01:24:07,895
Speaker 6: What I would say is some of it costs more

1591
01:24:07,975 --> 01:24:11,695
Speaker 6: sometimes to get the piece of paper all longer than

1592
01:24:11,775 --> 01:24:14,135
Speaker 6: it takes to do the job itself.

1593
01:24:13,815 --> 01:24:17,175
Speaker 5: Right, And I mean, I guess in its intent it

1594
01:24:17,415 --> 01:24:20,535
Speaker 5: was there to protect and I agree, if we're going

1595
01:24:20,615 --> 01:24:22,415
Speaker 5: to use a resource, we need to manage it. So

1596
01:24:22,495 --> 01:24:25,975
Speaker 5: the Resource Management Act makes sense. But surely in its

1597
01:24:26,055 --> 01:24:29,655
Speaker 5: intent originally it would have been around you know, Sylvia

1598
01:24:29,735 --> 01:24:32,055
Speaker 5: Park wants to be developed, right, so we've got this

1599
01:24:32,335 --> 01:24:36,415
Speaker 5: massive impact on neighbors and transport and infrastructure. Surely that

1600
01:24:36,535 --> 01:24:38,935
Speaker 5: developer needs to go along and go I need a

1601
01:24:38,975 --> 01:24:42,415
Speaker 5: resource consent for that. But you know, if I'm I

1602
01:24:42,455 --> 01:24:44,695
Speaker 5: don't know, adding on to the back of my house

1603
01:24:44,775 --> 01:24:47,895
Speaker 5: and it not impacting the streetscape. In fact, I had

1604
01:24:47,935 --> 01:24:50,575
Speaker 5: one little while ago where a small alteration to the

1605
01:24:50,615 --> 01:24:53,815
Speaker 5: back of a house in a heritage area triggered a

1606
01:24:53,895 --> 01:24:57,575
Speaker 5: requirement for a resource consent and you couldn't even see

1607
01:24:57,615 --> 01:25:00,735
Speaker 5: the changes from the street, and you kind of go, so,

1608
01:25:01,055 --> 01:25:02,815
Speaker 5: why are they worried about that?

1609
01:25:04,575 --> 01:25:08,535
Speaker 6: Well, whether it's what you talk about the small French

1610
01:25:08,655 --> 01:25:10,735
Speaker 6: doors at the back of the house that there might

1611
01:25:10,775 --> 01:25:13,855
Speaker 6: have some inherited jelly where we're effectively replacing lightful like,

1612
01:25:14,415 --> 01:25:17,535
Speaker 6: or whether we're building Sylvia Park, Peter, it's all been

1613
01:25:17,575 --> 01:25:21,255
Speaker 6: done before, right, And the wonderful thing about Sylvia Park

1614
01:25:21,295 --> 01:25:22,895
Speaker 6: and the French doors at the back of the property

1615
01:25:22,975 --> 01:25:24,775
Speaker 6: is that if we took a more common fence approach,

1616
01:25:24,815 --> 01:25:27,455
Speaker 6: we'd say, oh, we've done Sylvia Park. It wasn't as

1617
01:25:27,535 --> 01:25:31,175
Speaker 6: bad as what we thought. Oh we've replaced French doors before.

1618
01:25:31,535 --> 01:25:34,095
Speaker 6: It wasn't as bad as what we thought. But what's

1619
01:25:34,095 --> 01:25:36,415
Speaker 6: actually happened is it's as if the French doors in

1620
01:25:36,495 --> 01:25:39,495
Speaker 6: Sylvia Park are the first time we've ever seen these things,

1621
01:25:39,535 --> 01:25:41,775
Speaker 6: don't you, And it is if the council has never

1622
01:25:41,855 --> 01:25:44,495
Speaker 6: seen one of these before. So what I get the

1623
01:25:44,575 --> 01:25:46,415
Speaker 6: sense as well is that there is a lacking of

1624
01:25:46,575 --> 01:25:49,935
Speaker 6: common sense, the lacking of good judgment, a lacking of

1625
01:25:50,215 --> 01:25:56,135
Speaker 6: the Latin term deminimus, of a trifle of minor, of

1626
01:25:56,255 --> 01:26:00,375
Speaker 6: something of minor. Most kin sents are either very localized

1627
01:26:00,535 --> 01:26:04,895
Speaker 6: or at best regionalized. I flew from the beautiful Fukatani

1628
01:26:05,015 --> 01:26:06,815
Speaker 6: yesterday and I saw a soul of and you know

1629
01:26:06,895 --> 01:26:08,775
Speaker 6: the first thing I thought, pete, which is quite bad.

1630
01:26:08,815 --> 01:26:11,935
Speaker 6: Maybe I need help, some therapy. Was I wonder how

1631
01:26:11,975 --> 01:26:14,215
Speaker 6: bloody long it took me to get their resource content.

1632
01:26:15,455 --> 01:26:19,295
Speaker 6: I then though over the Yi gold mine and on

1633
01:26:19,375 --> 01:26:22,935
Speaker 6: the ground, and I thought that would never ever, ever,

1634
01:26:23,375 --> 01:26:26,335
Speaker 6: ever happen today. So I think what you'll see with

1635
01:26:26,495 --> 01:26:31,495
Speaker 6: planning is planning is the open system, the gateway to development.

1636
01:26:31,055 --> 01:26:31,695
Speaker 7: To potential.

1637
01:26:31,855 --> 01:26:34,295
Speaker 6: And I think I see what this government is doing.

1638
01:26:34,375 --> 01:26:37,095
Speaker 6: They're saying, whether it's minding, whether it's doing hydro, whether

1639
01:26:37,135 --> 01:26:39,775
Speaker 6: it's building loado ways, or whether it's putting French calls

1640
01:26:40,255 --> 01:26:44,255
Speaker 6: on the back of the river. It shouldn't be this hard.

1641
01:26:44,975 --> 01:26:48,935
Speaker 6: And I stand before you and the listeners today and say,

1642
01:26:49,055 --> 01:26:51,295
Speaker 6: I want to be doing myself out of a job

1643
01:26:52,495 --> 01:26:53,855
Speaker 6: by these changes.

1644
01:26:54,575 --> 01:26:57,095
Speaker 5: So are you optimistic about you know, some of what

1645
01:26:57,215 --> 01:27:00,335
Speaker 5: you've heard about what Chris Bishop is suggesting will be

1646
01:27:00,535 --> 01:27:03,895
Speaker 5: changes with the RMA, because my understanding is when Labour

1647
01:27:03,935 --> 01:27:05,855
Speaker 5: had a crack at it, it went from let's say

1648
01:27:05,855 --> 01:27:08,615
Speaker 5: seven hund eighty pages to nine hundred. You aren't supposed

1649
01:27:08,615 --> 01:27:09,295
Speaker 5: to be going the other way.

1650
01:27:10,535 --> 01:27:12,655
Speaker 6: But I was probably on your show soon after those

1651
01:27:12,735 --> 01:27:15,135
Speaker 6: reforms came out and I said, how can you be

1652
01:27:15,255 --> 01:27:19,095
Speaker 6: making it cheaper, faster and more certain by adding complexity.

1653
01:27:19,815 --> 01:27:21,415
Speaker 6: What I will say with this one is I think

1654
01:27:21,535 --> 01:27:24,415
Speaker 6: that there are the adults now in the room. There

1655
01:27:24,535 --> 01:27:26,895
Speaker 6: is a better intent and there is a bit the

1656
01:27:27,055 --> 01:27:30,215
Speaker 6: outcome has been decided. You know, we want this to

1657
01:27:30,295 --> 01:27:32,935
Speaker 6: be more certain, we want this to have be less complicated.

1658
01:27:33,335 --> 01:27:36,575
Speaker 6: So they're going to introduce things like national standards. Right.

1659
01:27:36,655 --> 01:27:40,015
Speaker 6: I have one district plan for each region. So whether

1660
01:27:40,055 --> 01:27:42,175
Speaker 6: we're in the White Cusa, whether we're in the Far North,

1661
01:27:42,215 --> 01:27:46,695
Speaker 6: whether in Wellington region, there's only one plan now. That's

1662
01:27:47,175 --> 01:27:49,495
Speaker 6: very well and I'm spaking to up this before in Auckland,

1663
01:27:49,575 --> 01:27:52,695
Speaker 6: you know north Shore White Target is they all have

1664
01:27:52,735 --> 01:27:55,015
Speaker 6: different district plants. Now there's one they not like in

1665
01:27:55,055 --> 01:27:57,495
Speaker 6: the city, but there's now one plan over the whole area.

1666
01:27:58,055 --> 01:28:02,495
Speaker 6: It creates consistency, it creates we have a pattern of

1667
01:28:02,855 --> 01:28:05,855
Speaker 6: a planned pattern of development, and so I think that

1668
01:28:05,975 --> 01:28:09,415
Speaker 6: there are there's some very very good intentions. I suppose

1669
01:28:09,455 --> 01:28:12,415
Speaker 6: what I'll call my Smith test is this, if I

1670
01:28:12,575 --> 01:28:16,535
Speaker 6: get your simple consent Pepe to put some French doors

1671
01:28:16,575 --> 01:28:20,535
Speaker 6: to replace some windows, or I get a smaller Sorbia park,

1672
01:28:21,375 --> 01:28:24,535
Speaker 6: will the end result be cheaper, faster and more certain?

1673
01:28:24,655 --> 01:28:29,895
Speaker 6: And that is yes, We're on to a winner. Then

1674
01:28:30,615 --> 01:28:32,335
Speaker 6: those people are willing to need to get out into

1675
01:28:32,335 --> 01:28:35,415
Speaker 6: the regions and understand it grassroots level what the problem is.

1676
01:28:35,735 --> 01:28:39,415
Speaker 5: Yeah, because again you know, from a I suppose an

1677
01:28:39,495 --> 01:28:42,095
Speaker 5: environmental point of view, I agree there needs to be

1678
01:28:42,335 --> 01:28:45,055
Speaker 5: controls around what we can do that. If someone is

1679
01:28:45,175 --> 01:28:49,175
Speaker 5: going to devastate an area of natural beauty or build

1680
01:28:49,255 --> 01:28:51,575
Speaker 5: on a ridgeline which then becomes a pimple on the

1681
01:28:51,615 --> 01:28:54,615
Speaker 5: ass of that that area forever, there needs to be

1682
01:28:54,735 --> 01:28:58,215
Speaker 5: some controls around there. But it just feels like it's

1683
01:28:58,335 --> 01:29:00,335
Speaker 5: just got bigger and bigger and bigger. Is that your

1684
01:29:00,375 --> 01:29:01,095
Speaker 5: sense of it as well?

1685
01:29:02,175 --> 01:29:02,375
Speaker 14: Yeah?

1686
01:29:02,415 --> 01:29:04,255
Speaker 6: And look I've been doing it for twenty seven years

1687
01:29:04,535 --> 01:29:09,055
Speaker 6: and I've never been more more frustrated with Is that

1688
01:29:09,175 --> 01:29:11,815
Speaker 6: your example of the French cause in the villa?

1689
01:29:12,015 --> 01:29:13,735
Speaker 7: Is you put to me of it all.

1690
01:29:14,295 --> 01:29:16,295
Speaker 6: You know, my advice to you would have been, I'm

1691
01:29:16,335 --> 01:29:18,335
Speaker 6: really sorry we can find this, but it's that the

1692
01:29:18,415 --> 01:29:20,495
Speaker 6: council is going to say I need to consent. The

1693
01:29:20,615 --> 01:29:23,775
Speaker 6: question is why do we need to be worrying about

1694
01:29:23,855 --> 01:29:26,615
Speaker 6: consents for them? And you take so I almost give

1695
01:29:26,655 --> 01:29:29,855
Speaker 6: the sense that the pimple the pimple. We're looking at

1696
01:29:29,935 --> 01:29:32,015
Speaker 6: pimple and making it a lot bigger than what it.

1697
01:29:32,095 --> 01:29:32,575
Speaker 8: Needs to be.

1698
01:29:34,015 --> 01:29:38,375
Speaker 6: And I wonder if Pete, legislation alone is the answer,

1699
01:29:38,695 --> 01:29:41,615
Speaker 6: and and I don't think it is. It's the mindset

1700
01:29:41,735 --> 01:29:44,855
Speaker 6: of those people who are the decision makers at the

1701
01:29:44,975 --> 01:29:48,415
Speaker 6: various councils, and they usually use the words I don't

1702
01:29:48,575 --> 01:29:48,855
Speaker 6: like the.

1703
01:29:50,575 --> 01:29:50,815
Speaker 4: Point.

1704
01:29:50,935 --> 01:29:52,575
Speaker 6: The point to you and I, Pete, is that you

1705
01:29:52,655 --> 01:29:54,295
Speaker 6: and I might not like to live in a thirty

1706
01:29:54,335 --> 01:29:57,375
Speaker 6: Screameter house or a forties Screameter house, but for many

1707
01:29:57,455 --> 01:30:00,135
Speaker 6: New Zealanders that's the reality. And so either you'll say

1708
01:30:00,175 --> 01:30:02,015
Speaker 6: to these people they can't have a house and it's

1709
01:30:02,055 --> 01:30:04,495
Speaker 6: too hard, or they should be able to have a house.

1710
01:30:04,895 --> 01:30:06,655
Speaker 6: So I'm a fair believe that we've got can make

1711
01:30:07,055 --> 01:30:12,095
Speaker 6: the simpler things easier. That legislation alone may not change this,

1712
01:30:12,255 --> 01:30:16,935
Speaker 6: but we actually need a development mindset reset that people

1713
01:30:17,055 --> 01:30:18,855
Speaker 6: live different ways for different.

1714
01:30:18,655 --> 01:30:21,095
Speaker 5: Reasons, Yeah, at different times in their lives. Yeah.

1715
01:30:21,815 --> 01:30:24,935
Speaker 6: And also sometimes one hundred parmeters out of Auckland on

1716
01:30:25,055 --> 01:30:26,935
Speaker 6: the side of the main highway, where actually need a

1717
01:30:27,015 --> 01:30:29,335
Speaker 6: service station. I'm dealing with one of these right now

1718
01:30:29,495 --> 01:30:32,855
Speaker 6: right in DPA. Say no, the council say no, the

1719
01:30:32,935 --> 01:30:36,775
Speaker 6: regional councils say no, but the community say well, actually

1720
01:30:36,855 --> 01:30:38,695
Speaker 6: we need to service Yeah.

1721
01:30:39,255 --> 01:30:39,455
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1722
01:30:39,735 --> 01:30:44,775
Speaker 6: So that's again a bit larger than things, but smaller

1723
01:30:44,815 --> 01:30:46,775
Speaker 6: than serve their part. But if you drive around the

1724
01:30:46,935 --> 01:30:48,975
Speaker 6: rural country of New Zealand, every so often you see

1725
01:30:48,975 --> 01:30:51,455
Speaker 6: a service station and I don't see lots of accidents,

1726
01:30:51,495 --> 01:30:53,615
Speaker 6: and I don't see lots of problems, and I don't

1727
01:30:53,615 --> 01:30:57,535
Speaker 6: see pollution of the environment. So nothing is new under

1728
01:30:57,575 --> 01:30:58,615
Speaker 6: the sun that we've done.

1729
01:30:59,415 --> 01:31:03,055
Speaker 5: Yeah, that there is, you know, through experience, a set

1730
01:31:03,095 --> 01:31:06,535
Speaker 5: of protocols and procedures that will deal with some of

1731
01:31:06,575 --> 01:31:10,055
Speaker 5: those issues, whether that's you know, traffic, well, we reasonably

1732
01:31:10,295 --> 01:31:13,415
Speaker 5: know how to manage traffic, run off, sediment control. All

1733
01:31:13,455 --> 01:31:16,655
Speaker 5: of these things shouldn't be reinvented every time we've got

1734
01:31:16,655 --> 01:31:19,455
Speaker 5: a new project. There's a template for all this stuff.

1735
01:31:20,455 --> 01:31:22,655
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely right. So what part of the legislation is

1736
01:31:22,815 --> 01:31:25,855
Speaker 6: they want to introduce a series of national stands. What

1737
01:31:26,495 --> 01:31:29,735
Speaker 6: I hope is that the national standards are not so conservative.

1738
01:31:29,215 --> 01:31:33,455
Speaker 5: That we're no better roth than we right, yeah, yeah.

1739
01:31:34,135 --> 01:31:37,095
Speaker 6: It's funny. We do a lot of billboards. Now most

1740
01:31:37,095 --> 01:31:39,775
Speaker 6: people in the audience will probably say skillboards. I'm not

1741
01:31:39,855 --> 01:31:42,895
Speaker 6: really sure about those. And then what we get continuously

1742
01:31:42,935 --> 01:31:45,935
Speaker 6: from the same traffic engineers are dangerous. I was recently

1743
01:31:46,015 --> 01:31:48,815
Speaker 6: in the state and I drove from San Diego to

1744
01:31:49,015 --> 01:31:52,695
Speaker 6: LA and I'm I've got videos and photos of footage.

1745
01:31:52,775 --> 01:31:56,455
Speaker 6: There are digital billboards every four hundred meters along the motorway. Now,

1746
01:31:56,535 --> 01:32:00,335
Speaker 6: if the most litigious country in the world can say

1747
01:32:00,415 --> 01:32:03,615
Speaker 6: that they're not a traffic hazard, a little old New Zealand,

1748
01:32:03,695 --> 01:32:05,895
Speaker 6: we reinvent me every time. So I sit through hours

1749
01:32:05,935 --> 01:32:09,015
Speaker 6: of here and I listened to tracking engineers that the

1750
01:32:09,095 --> 01:32:10,895
Speaker 6: world is going to end if this is built. Yeah,

1751
01:32:11,815 --> 01:32:13,575
Speaker 6: it then gets built and the will doesn't end. But

1752
01:32:13,615 --> 01:32:15,575
Speaker 6: then they oppose the next one, and I sometimes I

1753
01:32:15,695 --> 01:32:17,415
Speaker 6: come back to that point that they made. Though sometimes

1754
01:32:17,855 --> 01:32:21,655
Speaker 6: the rima has become a gravy train or people to

1755
01:32:21,735 --> 01:32:24,775
Speaker 6: peck whatever side will pay them to say whatever they

1756
01:32:24,895 --> 01:32:25,495
Speaker 6: want to hear.

1757
01:32:27,535 --> 01:32:30,535
Speaker 5: It's a great insight. I'm just curious now about the

1758
01:32:30,575 --> 01:32:34,495
Speaker 5: digital billboards. Were they static images but that might change,

1759
01:32:34,655 --> 01:32:37,535
Speaker 5: let's say, refresh every ten minutes, or were they dynamic images?

1760
01:32:37,655 --> 01:32:39,815
Speaker 5: They're moving, Definitely not dynamic.

1761
01:32:39,975 --> 01:32:42,295
Speaker 6: I think you we could all argue that dynamic images

1762
01:32:42,295 --> 01:32:45,015
Speaker 6: would create a safety issue. But if they phase out

1763
01:32:45,055 --> 01:32:46,815
Speaker 6: over the period of half a second and you don't

1764
01:32:46,815 --> 01:32:49,375
Speaker 6: see the phase out, yeah, they're effectively a static billboard

1765
01:32:49,415 --> 01:32:51,855
Speaker 6: because you may only see one, at most two images

1766
01:32:51,895 --> 01:32:53,135
Speaker 6: as you go past that site.

1767
01:32:53,575 --> 01:32:57,575
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's nice given how many people

1768
01:32:57,695 --> 01:32:59,215
Speaker 5: are not going to say that, how many people are

1769
01:32:59,215 --> 01:33:02,535
Speaker 5: on their phone they carry Hey, let's finish on this.

1770
01:33:03,135 --> 01:33:07,135
Speaker 5: Thank god, Pete, someone with some uncommon sense. Cheers Hamish.

1771
01:33:07,455 --> 01:33:07,855
Speaker 6: There you go.

1772
01:33:08,735 --> 01:33:11,375
Speaker 5: That's for you, mate. Really appreciate your time and we'll

1773
01:33:11,415 --> 01:33:13,295
Speaker 5: stay in touch and especially once they get a little

1774
01:33:13,295 --> 01:33:15,495
Speaker 5: bit closer to actually having some legislation that we can

1775
01:33:15,575 --> 01:33:18,735
Speaker 5: have a look at. Really appreciate it. You take care

1776
01:33:18,895 --> 01:33:21,615
Speaker 5: all the best by then your news talks. He'd be

1777
01:33:21,695 --> 01:33:24,575
Speaker 5: that's Hamish Firth from Mount Hobson Group, who's a planner,

1778
01:33:24,775 --> 01:33:27,015
Speaker 5: been a planner for as he said, twenty seven years

1779
01:33:27,455 --> 01:33:31,095
Speaker 5: he's been working in that field. I've had the opportunity

1780
01:33:31,135 --> 01:33:34,215
Speaker 5: of working with him sort of in a semi professional

1781
01:33:36,775 --> 01:33:41,175
Speaker 5: capacity as well. So just clear thinking, practical thinking. I

1782
01:33:41,335 --> 01:33:45,415
Speaker 5: guess as well, and look, make no bones, I make

1783
01:33:45,455 --> 01:33:48,135
Speaker 5: no bones about it. I think that the environment needs

1784
01:33:48,175 --> 01:33:51,135
Speaker 5: to be protected. The resource that we have is there.

1785
01:33:51,295 --> 01:33:53,895
Speaker 5: So you know, if you buy a section and it's

1786
01:33:53,935 --> 01:33:56,455
Speaker 5: got a notable tree on it, then you can't expect

1787
01:33:56,495 --> 01:33:58,095
Speaker 5: to go to counsel and ask them to cut it

1788
01:33:58,175 --> 01:34:00,015
Speaker 5: down or to get permission to cut it down. That

1789
01:34:00,855 --> 01:34:03,855
Speaker 5: there's a right there's nature has a right to exist

1790
01:34:03,935 --> 01:34:07,535
Speaker 5: as well. But it's getting the balance right, isn't it. Oh,

1791
01:34:07,575 --> 01:34:09,175
Speaker 5: eight hundred and eighty ten eight. We got time for

1792
01:34:09,215 --> 01:34:11,575
Speaker 5: a couple more calls. If you've got a question or

1793
01:34:11,615 --> 01:34:15,455
Speaker 5: a response to that, I'll update you on our thoroughly

1794
01:34:15,615 --> 01:34:19,575
Speaker 5: unscientific off the cuff pole, and then I'll start thinking

1795
01:34:19,615 --> 01:34:22,135
Speaker 5: about a topic for next week's poll. I'm only joking,

1796
01:34:22,495 --> 01:34:24,215
Speaker 5: but I will. I'll update you on the pole in

1797
01:34:24,495 --> 01:34:26,335
Speaker 5: just a moment. But we've got time for one more

1798
01:34:26,415 --> 01:34:28,695
Speaker 5: call or two more calls before we jump into the

1799
01:34:28,735 --> 01:34:31,415
Speaker 5: garden with a redcline pasta from around eight point thirty

1800
01:34:31,455 --> 01:34:36,095
Speaker 5: this morning. Fantastic text from Olive, but I won't have

1801
01:34:36,215 --> 01:34:38,375
Speaker 5: time to address it today, so I'll bring that up

1802
01:34:38,495 --> 01:34:41,455
Speaker 5: next week. But it's a it's a fantastic text. We'll

1803
01:34:41,455 --> 01:34:43,055
Speaker 5: do that, but I want to grab these calls. Wendy,

1804
01:34:43,175 --> 01:34:44,135
Speaker 5: good morning.

1805
01:34:44,615 --> 01:34:45,415
Speaker 15: Good morning, Dade.

1806
01:34:45,455 --> 01:34:47,455
Speaker 5: Here are you very well? What's on your mind?

1807
01:34:48,695 --> 01:34:52,735
Speaker 15: Just wondering cost of fakenesses. We've got a late eighties

1808
01:34:52,815 --> 01:34:57,855
Speaker 15: built house. Whether we put stuff like insult fluff in

1809
01:34:57,975 --> 01:35:00,255
Speaker 15: it or double glaze, what would you?

1810
01:35:01,895 --> 01:35:05,655
Speaker 5: Okay, the date is really important, So I'm going to

1811
01:35:05,735 --> 01:35:10,055
Speaker 5: assume that because your house is late eighties and insulation

1812
01:35:10,215 --> 01:35:13,575
Speaker 5: became mandatory for New Zealand buildings in nineteen seventy eight,

1813
01:35:14,015 --> 01:35:16,975
Speaker 5: that in fact, while you might not have sufficient insulation

1814
01:35:17,175 --> 01:35:19,455
Speaker 5: let's say in the ceiling, you will have some in

1815
01:35:19,535 --> 01:35:22,455
Speaker 5: the exterior walls and you should have some in the ceiling.

1816
01:35:23,535 --> 01:35:27,895
Speaker 5: So would I be right? Hopefully well?

1817
01:35:28,615 --> 01:35:33,695
Speaker 15: Going on going on what information we've gleaned from the council,

1818
01:35:34,415 --> 01:35:37,095
Speaker 15: we have got plenty of insuallation in our ceiling because

1819
01:35:37,095 --> 01:35:42,335
Speaker 15: we've had that top up. I haven't opened any.

1820
01:35:42,255 --> 01:35:43,215
Speaker 7: Patches in the wall.

1821
01:35:43,335 --> 01:35:47,095
Speaker 15: But going on what information we got from the council.

1822
01:35:47,495 --> 01:35:50,895
Speaker 15: I don't think there's actually very much in the ceiling

1823
01:35:51,095 --> 01:35:52,375
Speaker 15: in the walls at all.

1824
01:35:52,575 --> 01:35:58,975
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, which is disappointing, but let's assume it would

1825
01:35:58,975 --> 01:36:00,895
Speaker 5: be interesting. Like the easiest way to find out is

1826
01:36:00,975 --> 01:36:02,855
Speaker 5: you might want to get an electrician or someone more

1827
01:36:03,295 --> 01:36:06,655
Speaker 5: experience to do it. Is if you take a electrical

1828
01:36:06,695 --> 01:36:10,175
Speaker 5: fitting like a switch or a PowerPoint off and look outside,

1829
01:36:10,215 --> 01:36:11,575
Speaker 5: you might be able to see whether or not there

1830
01:36:11,615 --> 01:36:15,335
Speaker 5: should be insulation at butting the little flushbox that those

1831
01:36:15,535 --> 01:36:18,935
Speaker 5: items sit into, So that'll give you an indication. So

1832
01:36:19,295 --> 01:36:21,935
Speaker 5: I'm going to assume that if it's mid eighties, late eighties,

1833
01:36:22,015 --> 01:36:24,735
Speaker 5: it's got insulation in the walls, it'll have insulation and

1834
01:36:24,735 --> 01:36:26,055
Speaker 5: the ceiling because you can see it, and you could

1835
01:36:26,055 --> 01:36:28,615
Speaker 5: always top that up. In which case, your one week

1836
01:36:28,695 --> 01:36:32,415
Speaker 5: spot is your single glazing, so ceiling off that week

1837
01:36:32,535 --> 01:36:36,055
Speaker 5: spot by doing a retrofit double glazing will make a

1838
01:36:36,135 --> 01:36:37,055
Speaker 5: significant difference.

1839
01:36:38,375 --> 01:36:40,855
Speaker 15: And it's got a conservatory on it. Do you do

1840
01:36:41,015 --> 01:36:41,855
Speaker 15: the conservatory?

1841
01:36:42,455 --> 01:36:44,815
Speaker 5: Do you just do conservatory? Have a set of doors

1842
01:36:44,895 --> 01:36:47,655
Speaker 5: between the conservatory and the habitable part of the house.

1843
01:36:48,295 --> 01:36:49,975
Speaker 15: Yes, it has, Yeah, there's a sliding door.

1844
01:36:51,415 --> 01:36:54,335
Speaker 5: I wouldn't spend money on the conservatory, I would do

1845
01:36:54,735 --> 01:36:59,495
Speaker 5: retrofit double glazing onto the sliding door. And you know,

1846
01:36:59,615 --> 01:37:01,215
Speaker 5: because chances are most of the time you're going to

1847
01:37:01,295 --> 01:37:03,895
Speaker 5: use the conservatory in summer predominantly, or you'll use it

1848
01:37:03,935 --> 01:37:07,535
Speaker 5: when it's warm. So rather than spend the money double

1849
01:37:07,575 --> 01:37:09,975
Speaker 5: glazing that I just do the door, and then you're

1850
01:37:10,335 --> 01:37:13,615
Speaker 5: essentially what you're looking to do is reinforce the thermal

1851
01:37:13,775 --> 01:37:17,775
Speaker 5: envelope of the habitable space of the house. So do

1852
01:37:17,935 --> 01:37:20,575
Speaker 5: the double glazing, and that's kind of sealing off your

1853
01:37:20,695 --> 01:37:24,615
Speaker 5: last passage where heat escapes easily through the single glazing.

1854
01:37:25,335 --> 01:37:27,655
Speaker 15: And if we took a pairer point off and discovered

1855
01:37:27,695 --> 01:37:29,215
Speaker 15: that it wasn't insulted.

1856
01:37:31,135 --> 01:37:32,855
Speaker 5: Look, I really hope that that's not the case, and

1857
01:37:32,895 --> 01:37:35,255
Speaker 5: I'd be quite disappointed if it was. But saying that

1858
01:37:35,775 --> 01:37:40,495
Speaker 5: I've seen shonky work before, then you will still get

1859
01:37:40,735 --> 01:37:45,055
Speaker 5: some benefit from retrofitting the double glazing. But you know,

1860
01:37:45,255 --> 01:37:48,175
Speaker 5: heat that then used to escape through your single glazing

1861
01:37:48,295 --> 01:37:51,495
Speaker 5: will look to go somewhere else, and unfortunately, it will

1862
01:37:51,535 --> 01:37:54,935
Speaker 5: find a relatively easy path through your exterior walls if

1863
01:37:55,335 --> 01:37:57,055
Speaker 5: they have little or no insulation in them.

1864
01:37:57,935 --> 01:37:59,775
Speaker 15: Okay, then all good, Thank you very much.

1865
01:37:59,695 --> 01:38:02,095
Speaker 5: For that already, thank you, take care for all the

1866
01:38:02,135 --> 01:38:05,255
Speaker 5: best then bye bye. Now this is interesting. Pete wall

1867
01:38:05,295 --> 01:38:12,255
Speaker 5: insulation became men in nineteen ninety one. I'm going to

1868
01:38:12,295 --> 01:38:14,455
Speaker 5: have a look at that, Steve. I'm not doubting it

1869
01:38:15,575 --> 01:38:19,575
Speaker 5: because I'm amazed at how slack we were in terms

1870
01:38:19,575 --> 01:38:22,215
Speaker 5: of figuring out that insulation was a good thing. But

1871
01:38:22,295 --> 01:38:25,735
Speaker 5: I've always worked off nineteen seventy eight for insulation. It

1872
01:38:25,895 --> 01:38:27,455
Speaker 5: might not have been great and sula. I mean, I

1873
01:38:27,535 --> 01:38:29,935
Speaker 5: remember doing houses where we had aluminium foil on the

1874
01:38:29,975 --> 01:38:34,935
Speaker 5: back of plasterboard. That was the insulation. Not great, not

1875
01:38:35,135 --> 01:38:40,495
Speaker 5: call at all. I'll do some research on that the

1876
01:38:40,575 --> 01:38:42,735
Speaker 5: thinking I mean. I you know, I was the apprentice

1877
01:38:42,775 --> 01:38:45,895
Speaker 5: back in nineteen eighty seven. One of my jobs was

1878
01:38:45,975 --> 01:38:51,335
Speaker 5: putting in insulation in the walls, not just in the settling.

1879
01:38:51,935 --> 01:38:55,495
Speaker 5: So from my own experience, I've done it ever since

1880
01:38:55,735 --> 01:38:59,375
Speaker 5: I started building in eighty seven. Roughly, Oha eight one

1881
01:38:59,415 --> 01:39:01,415
Speaker 5: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call

1882
01:39:01,535 --> 01:39:04,295
Speaker 5: if you would like to talk to Rid climb Past.

1883
01:39:04,775 --> 01:39:07,815
Speaker 5: He is raring to go. I'm going to tell him

1884
01:39:07,815 --> 01:39:10,215
Speaker 5: at this gorgeous, gorgeous garden that I went to in

1885
01:39:10,455 --> 01:39:14,175
Speaker 5: Ashburton yesterday as well. He's probably been there himself and

1886
01:39:14,335 --> 01:39:16,415
Speaker 5: then we're into it. So if you've got any questions

1887
01:39:16,495 --> 01:39:18,855
Speaker 5: for Rid, call us now oh eight hundred eighty ten

1888
01:39:18,935 --> 01:39:20,615
Speaker 5: eighty for more from.

1889
01:39:20,495 --> 01:39:23,575
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