WEBVTT - The Panel: Inauguration, teacher shortage, Ratana 0:00:05.761 --> 0:00:09.401 You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks 0:00:09.441 --> 0:00:20.481 at Best Start Save for Things, Monyquee. 0:00:21.681 --> 0:00:31.881 Start sa F Things Do Monay cham starts say. 0:00:34.121 --> 0:00:34.921 It's past three. 0:00:35.041 --> 0:00:38.121 I'm Jess Davidson in for the Weekend Collective on the Saturday, 0:00:38.441 --> 0:00:42.121 the twenty fifth of January. Very soon we'll be joining 0:00:42.161 --> 0:00:44.321 the panel today. We have Brad Olsen and Shane to 0:00:44.441 --> 0:00:47.041 Poe who requested that very song to kick us off. 0:00:47.041 --> 0:00:47.401 Today. 0:00:47.961 --> 0:00:50.881 At four o'clock will have the one roof Property Hour, 0:00:51.001 --> 0:00:53.841 Ashley Church joining us for that and you'll talk about 0:00:53.881 --> 0:00:57.121 what makes a property valuable. From five o'clock we've got 0:00:57.121 --> 0:01:00.681 Midwife gray Son for the first time today and we'll 0:01:00.721 --> 0:01:04.961 talk parenting and also the recent increase an elective sea 0:01:05.201 --> 0:01:07.841 sections in New Zealand. So that is coming up on 0:01:07.921 --> 0:01:10.041 the remainder of the show for now, though, it is 0:01:10.361 --> 0:01:13.161 wonderful to say a good afternoon to our panelists. Firstly 0:01:13.161 --> 0:01:17.441 Brad Olson, chief Chief executive and principal economists at Informetrics. 0:01:17.521 --> 0:01:19.761 Hi, Brad, good afternoon, It's wonderful to be back. 0:01:20.201 --> 0:01:21.281 Yeare nice to be with you. 0:01:21.441 --> 0:01:24.761 And Shane Depoe who requested that beautiful piece of music. 0:01:24.761 --> 0:01:27.161 Commentator and blogger calda shade That's. 0:01:27.041 --> 0:01:30.241 A Sunny Day originally written from by the one and 0:01:30.321 --> 0:01:32.201 only Bruce Spinstein for Clarence Clemens. 0:01:32.201 --> 0:01:33.841 There you go, folks, Oh, there you go. 0:01:34.081 --> 0:01:37.161 Nice way to start things off. Will expect the caliber 0:01:37.201 --> 0:01:39.081 of music to stay the saying the show, Shane's a 0:01:39.161 --> 0:01:43.041 no pressure at all, ain't And of course Auckland Anniversary 0:01:43.041 --> 0:01:44.441 holiday on Monday. 0:01:44.561 --> 0:01:46.481 What are you both? What have you got planned for it? 0:01:47.081 --> 0:01:50.961 Well? I'm a sporting tragic and I'll be watching two 0:01:51.281 --> 0:01:54.721 great games I hope of American football, the Eagles versus 0:01:54.801 --> 0:01:58.361 Washington and in the afternoon the Chiefs versus the Bills. 0:01:58.441 --> 0:02:01.361 So I'm very pleased that those playoff games are happening 0:02:01.401 --> 0:02:02.241 on a public holiday. 0:02:03.041 --> 0:02:05.321 I would say so because that'll take about nine hours 0:02:05.321 --> 0:02:07.161 out of your day, wouldn't least at least? 0:02:07.761 --> 0:02:11.881 And what about you, brad Well, I'm actually Valentonium officially 0:02:11.881 --> 0:02:15.921 at least. And so apparently Wellington Anniversary was this previous Monday. 0:02:16.321 --> 0:02:18.361 And I say that because I went to the office 0:02:18.361 --> 0:02:20.561 early on Monday morning. I thought that it was a 0:02:20.601 --> 0:02:22.241 little bit quiet around But that's all right. It was 0:02:22.281 --> 0:02:24.161 early in the morning and a couple of hours later 0:02:24.201 --> 0:02:27.681 realized that it was a public holiday. So I'm also 0:02:27.761 --> 0:02:30.001 I'm working this Monday. I've got meetings and some ofilar 0:02:30.041 --> 0:02:31.681 coming up, but I'm trying to figure out what day 0:02:31.721 --> 0:02:34.401 I might take off in the future. So no rest 0:02:34.401 --> 0:02:35.521 of the wicked in the economy. 0:02:35.561 --> 0:02:38.121 Hey, can I ask a question, Brad, Don't you work 0:02:38.121 --> 0:02:41.961 for a national organizations? So couldn't you claim seven many 0:02:42.041 --> 0:02:43.361 different regional holidays? 0:02:43.641 --> 0:02:45.521 I don't know if that's how the law quite works. 0:02:45.561 --> 0:02:47.441 And to be fear, from a productivity point of view, 0:02:47.441 --> 0:02:49.561 if I claimed every regional holiday, I'd probably never do 0:02:49.601 --> 0:02:50.121 any work. 0:02:50.521 --> 0:02:52.001 Oh my goodness, gracious me. 0:02:52.161 --> 0:02:53.961 Well, we're going to talk about teachers and they get 0:02:53.961 --> 0:02:56.001 a rap for that, so we'll get to them, madjey course. 0:02:56.041 --> 0:02:59.121 But I want to start off with Donald Trump's second inauguration? 0:02:59.681 --> 0:03:00.721 Did you both watch it? 0:03:01.481 --> 0:03:01.841 Shane? 0:03:01.961 --> 0:03:04.241 Yes, I did it. 0:03:05.441 --> 0:03:06.841 How did you get through all of it? Like I 0:03:07.241 --> 0:03:08.681 watched all of it? 0:03:08.761 --> 0:03:10.361 I didn't get through all of it. My gosh, it 0:03:10.401 --> 0:03:12.201 wasn't that long ago. I lined up four hours to 0:03:12.201 --> 0:03:15.561 watch him in New York. No, I didn't. I didn't 0:03:15.601 --> 0:03:18.241 watch all of it. Look, I don't like the guy. 0:03:18.281 --> 0:03:21.201 I despise the guy, but I'm just being very careful 0:03:21.241 --> 0:03:23.761 over the next little while not to be just anti 0:03:23.801 --> 0:03:26.001 Trump for the sake of being anti Trump. It was 0:03:26.641 --> 0:03:29.121 it was theatrics. It was a little bit bizarre, and 0:03:30.281 --> 0:03:32.241 but you know what, he came out with a very 0:03:32.281 --> 0:03:35.761 strong range of policy position. A lot of it's I 0:03:35.761 --> 0:03:37.321 don't know if I can say bullshit, but a lot 0:03:37.321 --> 0:03:39.721 of it's published because he doesn't actually have the legal 0:03:39.761 --> 0:03:42.001 authority to enact it. It has to go through Congress. 0:03:42.401 --> 0:03:43.721 But they didn't stop him. 0:03:43.721 --> 0:03:48.681 But they didn't stop him, and it galvanizes his supporters, 0:03:48.681 --> 0:03:49.641 and he's got a few of. 0:03:49.561 --> 0:03:53.481 Them, indeed. I mean, I think for me, it was 0:03:53.481 --> 0:03:55.241 one of those things we're looking through. You know, he 0:03:55.521 --> 0:03:58.001 had a lot of action. What was more important was 0:03:58.041 --> 0:04:00.361 what he didn't do on an auguration day. We didn't 0:04:00.401 --> 0:04:03.041 see tariff's immediately leveled. I know that's what the economist 0:04:03.081 --> 0:04:04.481 is going to talk about, but like that, that's a 0:04:04.481 --> 0:04:04.961 big one. 0:04:04.801 --> 0:04:05.521 For New Zealand. 0:04:05.521 --> 0:04:07.721 If we see terrorists come through, if we see trade 0:04:07.761 --> 0:04:10.441 activity that's more difficult, like that has a very direct 0:04:10.481 --> 0:04:13.361 influence on us. So it was I think encouraging to 0:04:13.401 --> 0:04:16.321 see a little bit more restraint than we perhaps thought. 0:04:16.601 --> 0:04:18.841 But still the thing that gets me looking through one 0:04:19.041 --> 0:04:22.241 some of those announcements too, talking to businesses and households, 0:04:22.561 --> 0:04:24.681 is just this level of uncertainty because we don't know 0:04:24.721 --> 0:04:26.361 what he's going to do at any given moment, we 0:04:26.401 --> 0:04:28.601 don't know how he's going to react, so all a 0:04:28.641 --> 0:04:30.841 little bit of a big question coming through. What was 0:04:30.921 --> 0:04:34.441 more impressive was that the new Sectory of State, Marc Rubio, 0:04:34.521 --> 0:04:38.001 got sworn in immediately, and I think he's even had 0:04:38.041 --> 0:04:39.921 a call with Winston Peters straight away, so like, at 0:04:40.001 --> 0:04:42.401 least we're on the radar pretty quick, which is encouraging. 0:04:42.801 --> 0:04:44.961 Yeah, it looks like a new ambassador has been appointed 0:04:45.001 --> 0:04:47.761 today as well. But what I found intriguing was that 0:04:48.081 --> 0:04:50.641 he didn't rest on his laurels. He was straight into 0:04:50.681 --> 0:04:54.881 the office signing orders, including that very controversial one to 0:04:55.081 --> 0:04:58.481 release the fifteen hundred protesters from January sixth. 0:04:59.361 --> 0:05:01.481 Yeah the insigence. Yeah. 0:05:01.801 --> 0:05:04.241 Well and then I mean it's one of those things 0:05:04.241 --> 0:05:06.601 as well. Again and did he said all along he 0:05:06.641 --> 0:05:09.441 was going to do that, So it came through pretty quickly. 0:05:09.641 --> 0:05:12.281 There seems to be a lot that I still don't 0:05:12.321 --> 0:05:14.241 quite understand it. I don't know if the American system 0:05:14.321 --> 0:05:17.721 quite understands with the number of pardons and commutations and 0:05:17.721 --> 0:05:19.921 that that came through I mean Biden the day before 0:05:19.921 --> 0:05:24.601 he left office, you know, pardoned or retrospectively or productively pardoned. Yeah, 0:05:24.801 --> 0:05:26.761 all of his family, you know, and then you had 0:05:26.841 --> 0:05:30.001 these fifteen hundred you know that that got pardoned and released. 0:05:30.001 --> 0:05:33.041 It's sort of the worry here is that everything in 0:05:33.041 --> 0:05:35.681 the US has become so politicized and chaotic. 0:05:36.441 --> 0:05:40.201 The big pardon was the guy behind the Silk Road. 0:05:41.001 --> 0:05:41.401 This was. 0:05:43.201 --> 0:05:44.921 It was like that black market online. 0:05:45.001 --> 0:05:47.241 No, no, but this was a guy that actually directed 0:05:47.521 --> 0:05:51.721 to murders. But he got caught up with the FBI 0:05:51.841 --> 0:05:55.041 agent and he actually participated in the transaction. He just 0:05:55.041 --> 0:05:58.241 didn't known the infrastructure. He actually participated, inn't it. And 0:05:58.361 --> 0:06:00.601 I think he had three life sentences and he's body 0:06:00.641 --> 0:06:01.001 had home. 0:06:01.961 --> 0:06:02.201 Yeah. 0:06:02.561 --> 0:06:06.121 Yeah, Well, there's many people scratching their heads after those pardons. 0:06:06.161 --> 0:06:09.241 And the other head scratcher too, Shane. I'll get your 0:06:09.321 --> 0:06:11.481 view on this. First was pulling out of the Paris 0:06:11.521 --> 0:06:15.841 Agreement and climate change. Poor timing. The governor of California 0:06:16.041 --> 0:06:17.761 very angry given what's happened just there. 0:06:18.201 --> 0:06:21.681 Yeah, no, he doesn't care about that. His supporters wanted 0:06:21.761 --> 0:06:24.121 him to pull out of their paro's agreement. He'd done 0:06:24.161 --> 0:06:27.721 it before. He knows that he's got a sort of 0:06:28.281 --> 0:06:32.161 wrestle with folks like Newsom in California. This is about 0:06:32.201 --> 0:06:36.521 securing his base and also about calling his calling the 0:06:36.561 --> 0:06:39.201 Congress and the Senate to order and saying you do 0:06:39.561 --> 0:06:40.481 as I say. 0:06:42.241 --> 0:06:45.281 And from an economy point of view, Brad, what kind 0:06:45.321 --> 0:06:47.481 of a message does it send? Firstly, when he's talking 0:06:47.481 --> 0:06:49.961 about landing on Mars and then claiming splitting the atom, 0:06:50.281 --> 0:06:54.041 but surrounding himself with people like Elon Musk Bezos, what 0:06:54.201 --> 0:06:56.361 kind of messages that sending to the rest of the world. 0:06:56.801 --> 0:07:00.321 Well, I mean, there's obviously a few different leaders in 0:07:00.361 --> 0:07:03.721 the US administration alongside Trump. I mean people I'm seeing 0:07:03.761 --> 0:07:06.641 quite a lot of jokes online about President elect Musk 0:07:06.841 --> 0:07:09.361 and Vice President Trump. You know, where people are saying 0:07:09.361 --> 0:07:12.641 that Musks is sort of more important that The interesting 0:07:12.681 --> 0:07:15.801 one for me is how business is responding and everyone 0:07:15.881 --> 0:07:18.281 all the businesses are saying, look, we're not being political, 0:07:18.361 --> 0:07:20.361 we're not being political. But you see the likes of 0:07:20.401 --> 0:07:23.081 Facebook and Amazon and some of these big tech companies 0:07:23.081 --> 0:07:25.681 who you know, were very close to the inauguration. They 0:07:25.681 --> 0:07:28.441 were deliberately invited, they were given a very prominent position, 0:07:28.721 --> 0:07:31.041 and lo and behold, you know, they're changing fact checkers 0:07:31.041 --> 0:07:33.721 and they're changing the way their company policies have gone. 0:07:34.201 --> 0:07:36.241 I do sort of worry that everyone is pandering a 0:07:36.321 --> 0:07:38.681 little bit to However, the politics of the day shifts. 0:07:38.681 --> 0:07:41.521 Business is generally not like that, but again in the US, 0:07:41.601 --> 0:07:45.521 everything seems so much more hyper politicized. The difficulty for 0:07:45.641 --> 0:07:47.881 us here in New Zealand is again going, well, how 0:07:47.921 --> 0:07:50.521 do we operate in that environment when generally we don't 0:07:50.561 --> 0:07:53.721 operate in the US system, we're not nearly as hyper politicized. 0:07:54.641 --> 0:07:57.121 How do we turn how do we sort of negotiate 0:07:57.201 --> 0:07:59.361 through this maneuvering? And I mean we talked a bit 0:07:59.361 --> 0:08:01.481 about trade. We've talked about you know that, the changes 0:08:01.521 --> 0:08:04.401 to the World Health Organization, the climate agreements. I think 0:08:04.441 --> 0:08:06.401 the big one for us as that going forward, we're 0:08:06.401 --> 0:08:08.521 not going to be able to just have our trade 0:08:08.641 --> 0:08:11.481 envoys in the room. We need our national security people 0:08:11.801 --> 0:08:14.201 and our big diplomats not just on the trade space, 0:08:14.201 --> 0:08:17.001 but thinking broader because the next four years, in my mind, 0:08:17.041 --> 0:08:19.561 they're going to be way more focused on security issues, 0:08:19.561 --> 0:08:22.561 on geopolitical issues not nearly as much on trade. Trade 0:08:22.641 --> 0:08:27.201 is secondary economics is secondary to getting those geopolitical aims done. 0:08:27.361 --> 0:08:29.161 If you don't want, I got a couple of comments. 0:08:29.281 --> 0:08:31.481 First of all, if the average American thinks that billen 0:08:31.561 --> 0:08:34.041 years are going to share their wealth and act in 0:08:34.081 --> 0:08:37.321 the average Americans best since just they're fooling themselves. I've 0:08:37.321 --> 0:08:40.361 got two predictions for twenty twenty five. Ready for the 0:08:40.361 --> 0:08:43.521 first one, go for it a pardon or someone that 0:08:43.601 --> 0:08:48.121 lives in New Zealand dot com. Oh, go save that one, folks, 0:08:48.161 --> 0:08:49.961 and if it happens, say you hit it first from 0:08:50.001 --> 0:08:53.681 Shane to Poe. And the second one is that bitcoin 0:08:53.921 --> 0:08:57.641 and its counterparts are going to skyrocket. These people are 0:08:57.721 --> 0:08:59.201 the folks. They have got a lot of money're going 0:08:59.241 --> 0:09:01.041 to pump it up, and they're going to dump it 0:09:01.161 --> 0:09:01.881 and run. 0:09:02.041 --> 0:09:04.361 Well, did you guys see the trump coin or whatever 0:09:04.361 --> 0:09:06.521 that came out? Point that came up just before I 0:09:06.561 --> 0:09:09.281 was like, I mean, okay, One, it just sort of 0:09:09.321 --> 0:09:11.721 showed that you can make up anything these days and 0:09:11.721 --> 0:09:14.081 it can rocket ship. But two, like, when have you 0:09:14.161 --> 0:09:17.521 ever seen a US president very clearly try to profit 0:09:17.681 --> 0:09:20.841 like T minus one day out from their presidency. And 0:09:21.241 --> 0:09:23.081 I get that we're in different worlds and all this 0:09:23.161 --> 0:09:25.481 thing is, all these sort of norms are changing, but 0:09:25.521 --> 0:09:27.761 I thought that was that was really a different one 0:09:27.801 --> 0:09:29.641 to go through to see Trump coin go, you know, 0:09:29.761 --> 0:09:30.681 rocket ship to the moon. 0:09:31.321 --> 0:09:35.161 Yeah, And speaking of rocket ships, Musk's trade sheeers doubled 0:09:35.161 --> 0:09:39.321 as well after that announcement with Mars, so yeah, money money, 0:09:39.321 --> 0:09:42.481 money speaks, massive, massive volumes. And of course the other 0:09:42.601 --> 0:09:47.641 big announcement yesterday was the declassification of documents around assassinations. 0:09:47.881 --> 0:09:49.041 What did you both make of that? 0:09:49.921 --> 0:09:52.601 I can't wait to see what sort of Netflix documentaries 0:09:52.601 --> 0:09:54.361 we're going to get out in the next couple of years. 0:09:54.361 --> 0:09:57.161 But I mean, look, there's there's this view of like, 0:09:57.241 --> 0:09:59.521 we're all going to uncover all these great secrets, and 0:09:59.561 --> 0:10:01.961 I sort of feel like, given how many times official 0:10:02.001 --> 0:10:04.241 documents get leaked and all that sort of thing, surely 0:10:04.281 --> 0:10:06.761 by now we'd have bit of an idea. But hey, look, 0:10:06.961 --> 0:10:09.201 I'll certainly be having a look, I'll have a dig 0:10:09.241 --> 0:10:10.921 through at some point, but I don't know if we're 0:10:10.921 --> 0:10:14.201 going to have necessarily the big revelations that everyone's hoping for. 0:10:15.121 --> 0:10:18.201 I'm a tragic in many front and American politics. It 0:10:18.241 --> 0:10:19.761 is one of them people that read me and follow 0:10:19.801 --> 0:10:23.321 me to know this. I will read every single page really, 0:10:23.481 --> 0:10:30.361 oh yeah, particularly around the JFK and RFK assassinations. I 0:10:30.761 --> 0:10:33.561 think that RFK one is the most interesting. I don't 0:10:33.561 --> 0:10:38.561 think she Runs. She Run was the was the primary assassin, 0:10:38.961 --> 0:10:43.441 And funnily enough, I had a lengthy discussion with Bobby Jr. 0:10:43.481 --> 0:10:45.641 A few years ago about this. So I'm going to 0:10:45.641 --> 0:10:49.001 be watching and reading every single page ten times over. 0:10:49.321 --> 0:10:50.761 What I want to know is when do the UFO 0:10:50.881 --> 0:10:51.481 ones come out? 0:10:51.481 --> 0:10:54.441 When do we get the well? 0:10:54.881 --> 0:10:59.801 Yeah, oh, and they won't come out anytime soon Epstein. 0:10:59.841 --> 0:11:03.001 Oh yeah, just saw a lot of comments online about that. 0:11:03.041 --> 0:11:05.721 And also how much of these files will be redacted? 0:11:06.001 --> 0:11:06.201 Yes? 0:11:06.521 --> 0:11:07.561 Was the other question as. 0:11:07.441 --> 0:11:09.561 Well, wasn't it the point of d classifying them was that, 0:11:09.601 --> 0:11:11.401 like most of it shouldn't be redected. 0:11:11.441 --> 0:11:13.121 I mean it's been that long. 0:11:13.201 --> 0:11:15.601 I mean, what sort of investigation techniques from the FBI 0:11:15.601 --> 0:11:16.881 we're going to learn at the slate piece. 0:11:16.961 --> 0:11:19.441 But recently, one of the CI directors, I think he's 0:11:19.521 --> 0:11:21.801 recently been shifted because what happens over there. If you've 0:11:21.801 --> 0:11:23.881 got a federal job, you basically have to resign a 0:11:24.081 --> 0:11:27.241 you know, and then they replace and people don't realize 0:11:27.281 --> 0:11:30.561 it's quite deep. There's about eight thousand positions that are filled. 0:11:30.961 --> 0:11:37.241 And so you know with the CIA leader, the last 0:11:37.241 --> 0:11:39.801 CIA leader said that there are people that are still 0:11:39.841 --> 0:11:44.121 alive that can could be jeopardized as a result of 0:11:44.481 --> 0:11:49.281 releasing information in relation to the jfk assassination. My gosh, 0:11:49.401 --> 0:11:51.761 if the guy was eighteen ninety, he b in his 0:11:51.801 --> 0:11:52.401 mid eighties. 0:11:52.441 --> 0:11:56.961 Now, yeah, well we wait with Beata breath to see. 0:11:57.201 --> 0:11:59.721 As you say, it's like a Netflix show in itself, 0:11:59.801 --> 0:12:02.321 so we'll see what comes out next. I do want 0:12:02.361 --> 0:12:04.601 to move on to the teacher shortage ahead of the 0:12:04.641 --> 0:12:08.001 new year, and it is shocking. I myself have an 0:12:08.001 --> 0:12:10.441 eleven year old son and I know my school is impacted. 0:12:10.481 --> 0:12:14.321 But it's not just teachers. It's also principles. Guys, Why 0:12:14.361 --> 0:12:16.641 do we have this problem. Do we just have a 0:12:16.761 --> 0:12:19.121 lack of respect for teachers? Is that the big thing? 0:12:19.161 --> 0:12:24.881 Shane, Yeah, we don't value teachers. This is also pay 0:12:24.921 --> 0:12:29.561 parity issues. We've paid teachers less and nurses less because 0:12:29.561 --> 0:12:34.321 it's been a heavily female dominated industry in the past. 0:12:34.361 --> 0:12:39.441 This is about pay equity and it's a big issue, 0:12:39.441 --> 0:12:41.641 and there have been. The thing is, over the last 0:12:41.641 --> 0:12:43.761 ten to fifteen years have been some pretty big jumps. 0:12:43.801 --> 0:12:47.961 Teachers have had a twenty thirty percent increase. And the 0:12:48.001 --> 0:12:50.761 other thing is that, you know, I've just got a 0:12:50.761 --> 0:12:52.721 boy that's left high school and the girl that's only 0:12:52.761 --> 0:12:56.481 got a couple of years. But my gosh, I walked 0:12:56.521 --> 0:12:59.441 past our school at six thirty in the morning walking 0:12:59.481 --> 0:13:02.321 the dog. The car parker is full, teachers are at work. 0:13:02.601 --> 0:13:05.401 I come back at five thirty six o'clock, there's still there. 0:13:05.841 --> 0:13:08.121 And the other thing is that the parents expect a 0:13:08.241 --> 0:13:10.481 heck of a lot more to go to visit my 0:13:10.681 --> 0:13:12.641 kid school, particularly when they're teenagers. I don't want to 0:13:12.681 --> 0:13:15.401 embarrass them, but you've got parents lining up. 0:13:15.641 --> 0:13:17.041 You've got parents lining. 0:13:16.841 --> 0:13:19.521 Up every day all day to talk to the teacher. 0:13:19.801 --> 0:13:22.281 And the other big issue about teaching is that, you know, 0:13:22.321 --> 0:13:24.841 I live in Epsom, I live in inner city. Our 0:13:24.921 --> 0:13:27.921 teachers have to travel about it hour to work because 0:13:27.921 --> 0:13:31.361 they can't afford to live near their schools. 0:13:31.441 --> 0:13:35.001 Yeah wow, wow, what about you, Brad? What's going wrong? 0:13:35.081 --> 0:13:36.361 And how do we get more teachers? 0:13:36.441 --> 0:13:38.201 Well, I mean, this is the worry that I have 0:13:38.361 --> 0:13:41.361 is that how many you know, January February stories have 0:13:41.401 --> 0:13:44.001 there been in the last decade about aleck of teachers. 0:13:44.241 --> 0:13:46.401 We seem to identify the issue every year and then 0:13:46.441 --> 0:13:48.641 we sort of, I don't know, from a policy point 0:13:48.641 --> 0:13:51.241 of view, go to sleep because we clearly haven't solved it. 0:13:51.321 --> 0:13:53.521 Why have we not got the proper sort of pipeline. 0:13:53.601 --> 0:13:55.721 I definitely agree part of its pay. I think part 0:13:55.761 --> 0:13:58.481 of it's also I mean, Jesse, you noted that the Principles, 0:13:58.521 --> 0:14:00.361 but I think that's the one that worries me a 0:14:00.401 --> 0:14:02.601 bit more because you can put in place, you know, 0:14:02.681 --> 0:14:04.921 a greater ability to train up a number of teachers. 0:14:05.041 --> 0:14:07.841 Are some good initiatives that are going The worry for 0:14:07.881 --> 0:14:09.881 me is those principal positions. You can't just do a 0:14:09.921 --> 0:14:11.721 quick course and all of a sudden you're good. That's 0:14:11.761 --> 0:14:14.561 a long lead time. But also the work that Principles 0:14:14.561 --> 0:14:16.681 are doing these days is so much more detailed, so 0:14:16.761 --> 0:14:18.601 much bigger of a task than it used to be. 0:14:18.681 --> 0:14:21.401 You know, they've got to be you know, looking after 0:14:21.441 --> 0:14:23.521 all of the health and safety. They've got to you know, 0:14:23.561 --> 0:14:26.881 worry about everyone's sort of well being, both staff and 0:14:26.921 --> 0:14:28.641 the wider community, and all this sort of things. So 0:14:28.681 --> 0:14:31.281 there's a lot in there, but it just frustrates me 0:14:31.321 --> 0:14:32.761 that each and every year we get to this point 0:14:32.801 --> 0:14:34.681 and we go, oh, we haven't got enough teachers. We've 0:14:34.761 --> 0:14:37.521 identified this for long enough. And my big thing government 0:14:37.521 --> 0:14:40.161 at the moment is talking about tertiary education and about 0:14:40.161 --> 0:14:43.641 what's happening to training sort of more broader going forward. 0:14:43.721 --> 0:14:46.041 We need to get way smarter at instead of saying 0:14:46.041 --> 0:14:48.201 to everyone, look, do whatever course you want at whatever 0:14:48.241 --> 0:14:50.161 time you want, and sort of we will provide a 0:14:50.161 --> 0:14:52.761 bit of support for everything. Be a bit more targeted. 0:14:52.961 --> 0:14:54.641 Government needs to go through, in my mind, have a 0:14:54.721 --> 0:14:57.321 national skills plan and go, look, we always say we 0:14:57.361 --> 0:14:59.601 haven't got enough teachers. We always say we haven't got 0:14:59.681 --> 0:15:02.361 enough water technicians. We always say that we don't have 0:15:02.481 --> 0:15:05.601 enough nurses. So let's train a certain number each every year, 0:15:05.721 --> 0:15:07.361 and look, you get a full ride. Because I've seen 0:15:07.361 --> 0:15:09.441 a number of times before if someone had said to 0:15:09.481 --> 0:15:12.041 me that, Brad, if you go and do the training 0:15:12.081 --> 0:15:13.641 and will pay for you to become a water tech 0:15:13.761 --> 0:15:15.761 or a teacher or whatever, I probably wouldn't be here 0:15:15.761 --> 0:15:18.081 as an economist today because I'd follow the money. So 0:15:18.281 --> 0:15:20.241 give people an incentive and they will go that way. 0:15:20.321 --> 0:15:22.601 Can I also say the other thing is that a 0:15:22.681 --> 0:15:26.281 huge pipeline has died up. I'm in my mid to 0:15:26.321 --> 0:15:29.281 late fifties now and we had a lot of Australian 0:15:29.321 --> 0:15:32.321 and English teachers. They just don't come here anymore. They 0:15:32.401 --> 0:15:33.561 just don't come here anymore. 0:15:33.721 --> 0:15:35.041 Is that because of pay Shane? 0:15:35.721 --> 0:15:35.961 Yeah? 0:15:36.081 --> 0:15:39.201 Yeah, yeah, Look people are going the other way. Yeah, 0:15:40.001 --> 0:15:43.561 we're losing hundreds hundreds of teachers a year because they're 0:15:43.561 --> 0:15:47.401 moving to places like Brisbane. They're earning thirty percent more, 0:15:47.441 --> 0:15:51.201 they're paying thirty percent less for their rent or their 0:15:51.241 --> 0:15:56.361 mortgage and they've got a good, solid, stable superannuation plan 0:15:56.401 --> 0:15:57.841 that gives them a twelve percent return. 0:15:58.401 --> 0:15:58.641 Yeah. 0:15:58.721 --> 0:16:00.681 I think the big one going forward for me is 0:16:00.721 --> 0:16:02.721 that also there's all these changes coming through to the 0:16:02.761 --> 0:16:05.521 curriculum from government, and look, I really hope that because 0:16:05.521 --> 0:16:08.361 we've had education issues over a longer period of time. 0:16:08.401 --> 0:16:11.321 It's not one any one government's fault. But we really 0:16:11.361 --> 0:16:14.081 are in the position now unless we change it, we're 0:16:14.121 --> 0:16:15.761 in for a world of pain in terms of not 0:16:15.881 --> 0:16:18.681 having enough smart up and comers coming through, and that's 0:16:18.681 --> 0:16:20.481 where teachers do a huge amount of work. So I 0:16:20.521 --> 0:16:23.001 really do hope that some of the government changes coming through, 0:16:23.001 --> 0:16:25.441 some of the resources they're trying to push out do 0:16:25.601 --> 0:16:27.961 work and help our teachers a lot more, rather than 0:16:28.001 --> 0:16:30.121 put a whole new burden of more and more work 0:16:30.161 --> 0:16:32.161 on top of people who are already doing a lot. 0:16:32.401 --> 0:16:34.681 Yeah, because it's all well and good saying we're changing things, 0:16:34.681 --> 0:16:37.641 we're adding more things. But the thing that strikes me, guys, 0:16:37.761 --> 0:16:40.521 is the amount of non teaching work our teachers do, 0:16:40.801 --> 0:16:45.281 our social workers, they're counselors that they're looking after more often. 0:16:45.321 --> 0:16:49.601 They're not hungry kids, upset kids. They aren't just teachers anymore. 0:16:49.641 --> 0:16:52.241 In fact, when there was talk back this week, some 0:16:52.321 --> 0:16:54.761 were calling in saying that around twenty percent of what 0:16:54.801 --> 0:16:57.801 they do each day is actually teaching, the rest is 0:16:57.881 --> 0:16:58.801 managing behavior. 0:16:59.041 --> 0:17:02.801 Well, look, teaching is a tough gig. But the reality 0:17:02.921 --> 0:17:05.681 is if you are a teacher, say it at an 0:17:05.721 --> 0:17:09.441 epsom or meadow bank, or you get a bigger gig 0:17:10.961 --> 0:17:13.521 and the same amount of pay, a better gig and 0:17:13.721 --> 0:17:16.401 the same amount of pay compared to a teaching manga 0:17:16.641 --> 0:17:21.841 and or those folks do it tough on lots of fronts, 0:17:21.841 --> 0:17:25.841 not just the teaching front, but the attendance fronts the 0:17:28.281 --> 0:17:33.841 law and disorder in the local community. When we've got 0:17:33.841 --> 0:17:36.601 a teacher shortage and you and you talk about those 0:17:37.081 --> 0:17:43.681 socioeconomic areas of disproportionately pop pop poverty, it's even more 0:17:43.881 --> 0:17:46.521 in the it's even more exacerbated. 0:17:47.081 --> 0:17:49.521 It's also one of those things for teachers. I think 0:17:49.561 --> 0:17:51.961 we could all name a few great teachers that we 0:17:52.001 --> 0:17:54.521 had in our lives. Those make or break where people 0:17:54.561 --> 0:17:56.801 go in the future. The other people that either push 0:17:56.841 --> 0:17:59.361 you into doing bigger and better things and sort of 0:17:59.401 --> 0:18:01.601 back you to the hilt and keep you going, or 0:18:01.641 --> 0:18:03.641 they make it so much harder for you to keep going. 0:18:03.881 --> 0:18:05.601 And a lot of the time that's because they don't 0:18:05.601 --> 0:18:07.961 have the right time, the right resources themselves, because I've 0:18:07.961 --> 0:18:10.441 got so much work to do, so I told I mean, look, 0:18:10.521 --> 0:18:13.281 good teachers are absolutely gold, and we've got to got 0:18:13.321 --> 0:18:15.161 to keep supporting them. But at the moment, it is 0:18:15.201 --> 0:18:18.001 one of those challenges where the fewer we have and 0:18:18.041 --> 0:18:20.521 the more we obviously need to hire to get in, 0:18:20.681 --> 0:18:23.841 the more pressure that places on people who are currently there. 0:18:23.961 --> 0:18:25.841 And so this is I think again, it's not going 0:18:25.921 --> 0:18:27.601 to be a quick fix. But man, the longer we 0:18:27.681 --> 0:18:29.121 leave it, the harder it becomes to do. 0:18:29.721 --> 0:18:31.801 Yeah, you're not wrong, and the narrative has to change. 0:18:31.841 --> 0:18:34.201 We have to respect the more, stop having digs about 0:18:34.201 --> 0:18:37.001 teacher only days and how many holidays they have, and 0:18:37.041 --> 0:18:39.921 make it more attractive for someone to become a teacher. 0:18:40.361 --> 0:18:42.321