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Speaker 1: Kiota.

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Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is a compilation episode of

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Speaker 2: The Front Page, a daily podcast presented by The New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Herald. The year in politics has been a bumpy

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Speaker 2: road for many. The Coalition government dived in quickly to

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Speaker 2: reverse previous labor policies and pushed numerous bills through Parliament

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Speaker 2: to reach quarterly deadlines and targets, with a mixed response

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Speaker 2: from voters around some policies. Labor meanwhile, has spent much

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Speaker 2: of the year recovering from their election wipe out in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, leaving Tabati Maldi to lead the pushback

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Speaker 2: against the Treaty Principal's Bill. At a local level, huge

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Speaker 2: rates increases were a burden for many councils, while Wellington

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Speaker 2: City Council had the unfortunate honor of having a Crown

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Speaker 2: Observer appointed. Today on the Front Page, we're revisiting some

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Speaker 2: of our interviews with top politicians from central and local

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Speaker 2: government as we look back on the.

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Speaker 3: Year that was.

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Speaker 2: First off, we'll go to March when Chloe Swarbrick was

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Speaker 2: named co leader of the Green Party. Her rapid rise

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Speaker 2: to become the youngest current party leader in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: comes a little over six years since she entered parliament.

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Speaker 2: Her appointment came in a difficult year for her party,

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Speaker 2: with Golriz Gartaman and Darlene Tanner both leaving parliament for

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Speaker 2: different reasons, a cancer diagnosis for co leader Madama Davidson

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Speaker 2: and the death of Effezo Collins in amongst these difficulties.

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Speaker 2: We spoke to Swarbrick about her plans for when she

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Speaker 4: I've never made a secret of the fact that I

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Speaker 4: do have quite a lot of disappointment with the status

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Speaker 4: quo way that we do politics. That is kind of

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Speaker 4: the school yard bickering as opposed to getting into the

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Speaker 4: evidence and the values lead discussions that I think that

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Speaker 4: New Zealanders really deserve, especially if we're to make those

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Speaker 4: necessary long term decisions as a parliament and as a

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Speaker 4: government for the future of this country. I also never

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Speaker 4: made it a secret that I've never really tried to

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Speaker 4: position myself to get any particular role or title or

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Speaker 4: anything like that. I mean, bar obviously representing my community

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Speaker 4: of concentual I've always abelt that one in my bones,

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Speaker 4: and very much is something that you know, I think

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Speaker 4: has been pretty obvious since I entered the political fray,

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Speaker 4: but you know, leveling up into this kind of position

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Speaker 4: that decision to step down and made his comments with

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Speaker 4: regard to the Greens entering a new era, and I

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Speaker 4: felt compelled to do so and to listen to those

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Speaker 4: deeply admire own respect, because you know, to my point

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Speaker 4: of the broader theory of change here is that it's

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Speaker 4: not just one person who changes the world. You know,

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Speaker 4: it is, particularly if you look at where things have

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Speaker 4: changed for the better in many democracies, not only here

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Speaker 4: engaged citizen rey who have worked together to make it

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Speaker 4: really abundantly clear to the politicians of the day that

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Speaker 4: they're not going to accept anything less, whether we're talking

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Speaker 4: about workers' rights, whether we're talking about climate action or otherwise.

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Speaker 4: And we're confronted with huge, colossal crises at the moment,

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Speaker 4: the dual crisis of the climate crisis, and of course

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Speaker 4: the greatest rates of wealth and equality that we've seen

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Speaker 4: on record in this country, which feels are through into

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Speaker 4: a range of things that people experience in their day

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Speaker 4: fact that I don't know anyone in my personal or

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Speaker 5: And if that doesn't give you.

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Speaker 4: A hint into how deeply and fundamentally unsustainable the economy

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Speaker 4: is as we know it, then I don't know what will.

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Speaker 4: So I see my role as helping to remind people that,

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Speaker 4: you know, we get the politics that we think that

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Speaker 4: we deserve, and right now that bar is too damn low.

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Speaker 2: And I believe this is the first time we've seen

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Speaker 2: two female co leaders of any party really, and I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure even if we've had a female leader and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's pretty cold, But I think what

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Speaker 4: this really poses an opportunity for is demonstrating a different

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Speaker 4: kind of leadership, not only in that symbolism by virtual

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Speaker 4: of the fact that you know, Martama and I are

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Speaker 4: I think the way that both of us have operated

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Speaker 4: comfortably on the frontline organizing and rallying with people on

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Speaker 4: holding this government.

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Speaker 2: To a I've seen commentators actually suggest that you and

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Speaker 2: Marma are both obviously focused on social issues and they

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Speaker 6: Is that fair?

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Speaker 4: What point commentators to the fact that I was the

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Speaker 4: one pushing for a year for a climate emergency declaration

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Speaker 4: in our House of Parliament. You know, I sat on

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Speaker 4: Environment Selectmitty through twenty seventeen to twenty twenty as we

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Speaker 4: put through the zero carbonac changes amendments to the emissions

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Speaker 4: our most highest polluting industries which have occurred under the

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Speaker 4: former Key National government. We also, inside of our focus

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Speaker 4: have immense strength and the likes of Lan Farm who

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Speaker 4: Kahunani Carter, who led the largest Marii waste organization in

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Speaker 4: our old hands, like's Gona Toyono, who was a climate

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Speaker 4: Julian Jinter who's obviously made her mark in her name

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Speaker 4: in transitioning our transport fleet into one that is zero carbon. Ultimately,

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Speaker 4: and all of our MPs hold the duel responsibility of

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Speaker 4: representing our people and our planet. There is no way

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Speaker 4: for us to disaggregate those two things.

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Speaker 2: After the twenty twenty three election, the ACT Party now

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Speaker 2: had a record eleven MPs in Parliament and for the

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Speaker 2: first time holds two electorate seats. And in May next

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Speaker 2: year we'll see Leader David Seymour become Deputy Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: as part of his party's coalition.

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Speaker 6: Deal with National and New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: First in March, we spoke to Seymour about the government's

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Speaker 2: the then fresh faced coalition in terms of social media.

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Speaker 2: It seems a coalition and you yourself. In particular, David,

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Speaker 2: are receiving a lot of pretty hateful comments online. The

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Speaker 2: anti Extremism director, for example, calling the government a child

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Speaker 2: hating death cult comes to mind. Also a lot of

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Speaker 2: comments around the kids at Freiburg High School. What do

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Speaker 2: you reckon the public perception to the new government is

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Speaker 2: and do you read any online comments?

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Speaker 3: No, I mean I read the polls which say that

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Speaker 3: the government's support has stayed level or slightly risen since

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Speaker 3: the election of ex Polling has certainly increased, and often

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Speaker 3: it's a silent majority of people we should be focused on.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes the right response to these people is laughter. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you've got to be kidding yourself. I mean, imagine being

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Speaker 3: an anti extremism director. It goes with qullege like I

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Speaker 3: just a lot of it. What is important is that

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Speaker 3: for people who are seriously interested in the future of

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Speaker 3: New Zealand that we say, okay, here are some of

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Speaker 3: the challenges our country faces. Here are the solutions that

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Speaker 3: we offer and ultimately the problem solvers that get you know,

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Speaker 3: the streets to be safe, the kids to school, the

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Speaker 3: roads to be built, and the economy growing its productivity

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Speaker 3: of the kids says on TikTok is not really going

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Speaker 2: Do you think that commenting and labeling yourself David a

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Speaker 2: racist is a bit easier for people to do rather

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think there's a wider problem here

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Speaker 3: that we really had an abandonment in the post modern era,

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Speaker 3: an abandonment of objective knowledge. So, you know, instead of

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Speaker 3: saying there is one humanity, there is one objective world

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Speaker 3: or discourse or whatever. It's all this crazy stuff, and

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Speaker 3: so you know, well, that's how it's possible for someone

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Speaker 3: who says, we believe that all people should be treated

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Speaker 3: the same and we should never discriminate based on their race,

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Speaker 3: to actually be called a racist for saying. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, let's be really clear. Racism is when you

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Speaker 3: believe that a person's ethnic background is a more important

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Speaker 3: is absolutely diametrically opposed to, and I might say more

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Speaker 3: very comfortable with policies that call on government officials, whether

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Speaker 2: Would you agree that in a hospital there's a Pakiha

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Speaker 6: A leg up.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not, because what else do we know about them.

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Speaker 3: It may well be that the pakihar baby is going

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Speaker 3: of respiratory diseases. It may well be that the Maori

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Speaker 3: and disability. It's possible that the Marii baby is not.

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Speaker 3: Now it is true that on average there are more

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Speaker 3: Maori babies with those disadvantaging factors than non Mahori babies.

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Speaker 3: But the point is if we fix the disadvantage, we

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Speaker 3: will help the Mariu babies more and we will get

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Speaker 3: to a more equal society. And we can do it

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Speaker 3: want to use this lazy, divisive lembs of race when

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Speaker 3: actually once we know more about the case and the

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Speaker 3: we can be more effective, less divisive and help everyone.

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Speaker 3: We can help those non Mardy who are disadvantage and

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Speaker 3: we can avoid patronizing those mary who are doing very well,

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Regional development has been a major focus of the coalition government.

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Speaker 2: The fast Track Bill just this week passed into law,

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Speaker 2: but the return of oil and gas exploration and the

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Speaker 2: Regional Infrastructure Fund are also promised to get work back

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Speaker 2: to the regions and help them thrive.

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Speaker 6: And the man running.

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Speaker 2: The show is the so called Martua of Mining and

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Speaker 2: Prints of the Provinces Minister for Regional Development, Shane Jones.

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Speaker 6: We spoke with Jones in November.

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Speaker 2: About his plans for the regions and whether you can

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Speaker 2: find climate change at the same time as backing provincial

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Speaker 2: new Zealand. One of the main killers in the regions

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Speaker 2: at the moment seems to be power prices. We've had

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Speaker 2: a number of businesses shut down in recent months. How

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Speaker 2: concerned are you for these towns that might be reliant

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Speaker 7: Well, without a doubt, and some of our areas we're

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Speaker 7: going through a major structural adjustment. It disturbs me deeply

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Speaker 7: that the current market settings and the behavior of our

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Speaker 8: So if you've had eight hundreds in eighty five thousand

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Speaker 2: You've promised the likes of rare frogs and other wildlife

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Speaker 7: Well, no one is going to go to bed tonight

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Speaker 6: What if it's a family of brown spotted kiwe getting

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Speaker 7: I think that there's no shortage of options for the developers,

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Speaker 2: Are don't buy that speaking of NGOs, can climate change

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Speaker 7: In fact, it is happening in an integrated way. That

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Speaker 2: In November, the country saw the biggest protest march to

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Speaker 9: I think what's happened in Parliament and what this bill

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Speaker 9: We were the protection to always remember Maori Artana and

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Speaker 10: A forty if six votes a posts.

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Speaker 2: The video of this hakka in Parliament has gone viral,

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Speaker 9: We were a country that had the first woman's vote.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, on the other side, what do you

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Speaker 6: And if the roles were reversed.

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Speaker 2: If this was a Paki house saying all these kinds

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Speaker 6: What do you make of those comments?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I get how people see us because we are

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Speaker 2: So the National Party in New Zealand first say that

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Speaker 6: Do you think that's good enough?

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Speaker 9: I don't, and I think that's that's the deep shame.

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Speaker 9: And we've had just as many national voters, ex national

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Speaker 9: these types of relationships. And Nationals previously had what could

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Speaker 9: I think you know again the harm that this creates

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Speaker 9: the fact that we're going to need to push that

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Speaker 9: better than to be treated as political pawns. So Triti

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Speaker 2: Local councils weren't immune to scandal this year, with issues

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Speaker 2: It came amidst a wider back to basics bush by

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Speaker 6: During the election campaign.

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Speaker 2: A National Party spokesperson actually told stuff local government has

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Speaker 11: Our review undoubtedly recommended that there needs to be far

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Speaker 11: if they'd come together and said, Okay, here are the

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Speaker 11: three or four agencies that could be delivering this and

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Speaker 11: delivering it far more effectively, we could get far greater

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Speaker 11: value for money out of that. Also, the way in

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Speaker 11: which government and local government are prepared to partner with community,

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Speaker 11: community organizations, community groups there's huge amount of volunteering and

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Speaker 11: good will in a community. If it's engendered in the

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Speaker 11: right way, there is great grassroots opportunities to deliver far

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Speaker 11: better value as well. So the opportunity is immense, but

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Speaker 11: it does require a fundamental to reset of the relationship

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Speaker 11: between central government and local government. Particularly in the first instance.

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Speaker 2: The government did revoke three Waters, which many local councils

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Speaker 2: weren't a fan of, but in other areas the government

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Speaker 2: has actually been a bit.

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Speaker 6: More firm with councils.

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Speaker 2: Councils that want to keep their multi wards now have

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Speaker 2: to hold a referendum on that, and Prime Minister Chris

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Speaker 2: h Luxen has had strong words for councils at a

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Speaker 2: conference in August, telling them to rain in the spending.

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Speaker 12: Rate Payers expect local government to do the plasics, pick

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Speaker 12: up the rubbish, fix the pipes, fill in the potholes,

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Speaker 12: and more generally maintain the local assets quickly, carefully and

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Speaker 12: cost effectively. What they don't expect to pay for is

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Speaker 12: a laundry list of distractions and experiments that are plaguing

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Speaker 12: council balance sheets across the country.

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Speaker 2: Is this the right message and we're talking about that

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Speaker 2: relationship that government should be fostering and sending if it

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Speaker 2: does want to work constructively with councils.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, building a strong, genuine partnership requires trust and confidence

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Speaker 11: in each other, and that takes some time. It takes

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Speaker 11: people to be in the room and get together and

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Speaker 11: understand the different perspectives. Certainly understand the government has three

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Speaker 11: years in a series of priorities that it wishes to

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Speaker 11: pursue and doesn't want to be distracted by things which

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Speaker 11: don't necessarily align with its priorities. I think that's been

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Speaker 11: understood by local government. But to go to the fundamental reset,

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Speaker 11: then there does need to be a change in the

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Speaker 11: way and which central government and local government relate to

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Speaker 11: each other and work together. We identified significant opportunities to

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Speaker 11: be able to reimagine the way and which central government

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Speaker 11: and local government work together and with respect. I don't

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Speaker 11: see those actions being taken to the extent needed to

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Speaker 11: create the change that will benefit ultimately the communities that

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Speaker 11: both government and local government are there to serve.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody really likes to be told what to do.

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Speaker 2: It's like I'm having a big brother and them saying no,

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Speaker 2: you're doing it wrong. Do it this way and not

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Speaker 2: really having a constructive conversation about it.

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Speaker 10: Hey.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, and it's not just this government. Successive governments have

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Speaker 11: taken that approach, which is difficult to respond to, and

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Speaker 11: local government traditionally he has been an easy horse to

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Speaker 11: whip and it has been and sometimes local government, to

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Speaker 11: be honest, doesn't help itself and provides plenty of opportunities

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Speaker 11: and dead rats to be held up and examined. And

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Speaker 11: what happens with one many get card with the same brush,

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Speaker 11: and so you know, the unfortunate reflection on the whole

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Speaker 11: sector that perhaps isn't always warranted.

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Speaker 2: Auckland's Mayor Wayne Brown's war on council controlled organizations delivered

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Speaker 2: big wins for him this year. In November, Brown and

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Speaker 2: Transport Minister Semeon Brown announced Auckland transport would be surgically changed,

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Speaker 2: with transport policy, strategy and planning or moving to Auckland Council.

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Speaker 2: And just last week the curtain came down for Ekapanuku,

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Speaker 2: with counselors voting to abolish it. They also voted to

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Speaker 2: strip Tartaki Auckland unlimited of its economic development role. Those

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Speaker 2: changes a plan to come into effect in July next year.

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Speaker 6: Before those big wins.

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Speaker 2: For Brown, though, we caught up with him in October

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Speaker 2: about his pushback against these organizations and if he is

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Speaker 2: going to run for reelection next year talking about CCOs,

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Speaker 2: what's the plan there?

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Speaker 6: When are we getting rid of them?

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Speaker 5: Last year would have been a good time. I can't

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Speaker 5: have to bring my counsel with me, and I have

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Speaker 5: to bring the government with me. AT which is a

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Speaker 5: very widely disliked organization and has adopted a very independent

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Speaker 5: culture because it was granted an independent status.

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Speaker 13: In his own blistering letter to Transport boss, Wayne Brown

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Speaker 13: called disruptions unacceptable and omni shambles and said he could

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Speaker 13: use other words. He says Aucklanders have reached the end

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Speaker 13: of their patients.

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Speaker 5: What's driving one of my actions here is that I

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Speaker 5: don't mind being criticized for things that I've actually done wrong.

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Speaker 5: But I'm fed up I've being criticized for things that

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Speaker 5: I don't have much control over, and I think what

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Speaker 5: I'm wanting to have is that turned into a delivery

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Speaker 5: mechanism and get them concentrating on delivering, you know, and

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Speaker 5: they not concentrating it because they're wondering into policy and things,

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Speaker 5: which is really what the council should be doing and so,

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Speaker 5: and I think I'm working pretty well with Minister Sime

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Speaker 5: and Brown over this and I'm looking forward to quite

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Speaker 5: a good result out of this and some of the

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Speaker 5: other things they're doing. The CEO reform was one of

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Speaker 5: the things that was right at the top of the

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Speaker 5: things I campaigned on, and so people liked that. I

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Speaker 5: went to three hundred minies. Not one person said, oh no,

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Speaker 5: leave them as they are. And so we have a

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Speaker 5: lot of I don't like duplication, but we're not a duplication.

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Speaker 5: We have triplication. We have quadruplication. In some places. Everybody

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Speaker 5: does events and in fact the best events aren't even

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Speaker 5: done by any of those parts and pieces of the

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Speaker 5: last Saturday, I joined fifteen thousand other very happy people

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Speaker 5: in the main street of Ada Who for the Oda

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Speaker 5: Who Food Festival, which half of the people in the

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Speaker 5: councils de even I was on and it's the biggest

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Speaker 5: food festival in the country. They sold one hundred and

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Speaker 5: twenty different food stalles months before it happened. I just

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Speaker 5: sold that snap overnight. Every food person wanted to be

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Speaker 5: there and it was fantastic.

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Speaker 6: So with this CCO plan. Have you got a timeline

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Speaker 6: or what kind of mechanisms do you have to work through? First?

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Speaker 6: Who do you need to get on board to make

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Speaker 6: that happen?

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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I have to get on board

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Speaker 5: the councilors that we need to do something about it.

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Speaker 5: And they are on board. We've got them on board encouragement,

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Speaker 5: but they are with regard to at I do need

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Speaker 5: the government to work with me because it does have

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Speaker 5: a statutory position.

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Speaker 2: Lastly, wanted just to do some quick fires with you

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Speaker 2: mayor just yes or nos, or really quickly. When's the

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Speaker 2: open air saltwater swimming pool opening at the viaduct?

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Speaker 5: Well, if it doesn't open in the same role, be

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Speaker 5: really annoyed.

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Speaker 6: You'll be annoyed.

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Speaker 5: When's I want a swimming that by the time the

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Speaker 5: water's wall.

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Speaker 6: When is Auckland getting a bed tax?

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Speaker 5: Asked Minister Doucy.

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Speaker 6: Are you running in next year's local election?

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Speaker 5: As distinct possible? Ay? Been not saying yes or no?

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Speaker 4: Just it.

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Speaker 2: Both local and central government felt the loss of Afesso

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Speaker 2: Collins this year described as a man of the people.

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Speaker 2: In February, the former Auckland councilor turned Green MP died

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Speaker 2: suddenly after participating in a charity event. Thousands of mourners

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Speaker 2: turned out to pay tribute to him, packing out of

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Speaker 2: South Auckland Venue to pay their respects to a man

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Speaker 2: who was known.

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Speaker 6: For his love of people.

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Speaker 2: It was just one of the heartbreaking losses in politics

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Speaker 2: this year, alongside the death of former National Minister Nicki

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Speaker 2: Kay in November after a long battle with cancer. In March,

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Speaker 2: we spoke to Vaimawana Marse, the editor of the Heralds

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Speaker 2: pacifica section Talaanoa, to talk about the outpouring of grief

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Speaker 2: and love for the late Fahnana Affesso Collins ahead of

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Speaker 2: his funeral.

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Speaker 10: He was sort of the person that a lot of

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Speaker 10: people or a lot of us in the media knew

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Speaker 10: that he would answer and also trusted that he had.

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Speaker 10: Like his voice or his thoughts were very much a

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Speaker 10: reflection of what the people in Autata or au Tahu

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Speaker 10: or South Aukland in general, and the Pacific community. You know,

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Speaker 10: it was a very much an honest reflection of how

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Speaker 10: those people or those communities felt. So I've one always

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Speaker 10: appreciated when he took my cause or the Texan he'd

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Speaker 10: be busy or something and always say, oh no, I'll

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Speaker 10: call you BACKMNA, It's all right. He knew that he

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Speaker 10: represented those communities and knew that his voice needed to

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Speaker 10: be heard.

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Speaker 1: As a New Zealand born Simon living in South Auckland,

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Speaker 1: I've experienced, written about, and spoken about racism in this country.

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Speaker 1: I've also been on a well publicized journey and understanding

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Speaker 1: the needs and views of our rainbow communities. And I

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Speaker 1: have a long way to go. And my message to Fino,

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Speaker 1: who often experienced the sharp end of discrimination disabled, ethnic,

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Speaker 1: rainbow Brown seniors and neurodiverse is thank you for trusting

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Speaker 1: us with the responsibility of facilitating a new discussion on

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Speaker 1: how we move forward together and make possible what was

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Speaker 1: once deemed impossible.

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Speaker 2: You wrote in a piece in the hours after his

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Speaker 2: death about the first time you met him when you

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Speaker 2: were sixteen.

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Speaker 6: Can you share with us those early memory?

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Speaker 10: Yeah? So, I think it was two thousand and three.

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Speaker 10: I was year twelve and it was a last minute

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Speaker 10: trip that we got asked to yet take part in it.

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Speaker 10: It was called the Dream for Nor Camp and basically

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Speaker 10: it was a camp for students from around Auckland. I

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Speaker 10: think it was targeted at South Auckland students, Southakland High

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Speaker 10: school students, but I went to Messy High in West Aukland,

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Speaker 10: and so there was only about six of us that went.

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Speaker 10: When we got to the camp, it was up in

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Speaker 10: it was in Cambridge and it was freezing anyway, I

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Speaker 10: think there was about two hundred two hundred PACIFICA students

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Speaker 10: from d LA sal mcaulay, James Cook High School, Saint Paul's.

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Speaker 10: I think I'm missing a couple, but yeah, there were

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Speaker 10: South Oakland high schools and then there was our high school.

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Speaker 10: And the camp was basically about giving students an idea

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Speaker 10: of what they could become or what they could be

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Speaker 10: one day. And it was about inspiring these young PACIFICA

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Speaker 10: students about yeah, furthering their education going on to study

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Speaker 10: at tertiary level. And I found out later that he

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Speaker 10: so a fessor, was the one that sort of came

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Speaker 10: up with the dream form or the concept. One of

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Speaker 10: the first things that we got asked to do with

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Speaker 10: the camp was to fill out forms just basically sharing

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Speaker 10: what your you know, what your aspirations were or what

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Speaker 10: your goals were. And I was, yeah, I was sixteen,

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Speaker 10: but knew I wanted to become a journalist. So I'd

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Speaker 10: rested it down, not hoping for anything like because they

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Speaker 10: had promised that we would be able to speak to

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Speaker 10: people from our community who were either working in the

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Speaker 10: jobs or studying to be you know, like a lawyer

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Speaker 10: or a doctor or nurse. And anyway, the next day

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Speaker 10: he came up to me and he said, are you

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Speaker 10: the one that wanted to be a journalist? And I

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Speaker 10: said yeah, And he said, oh, I've actually organized for

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Speaker 10: one of my Pacific journalist's friends to come and speak

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Speaker 10: to us, And yeah, I was speak to you. That

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Speaker 10: was my first engagement with him, still very much young,

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Speaker 10: but even then, you know, he was such a commanding speaker,

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Speaker 10: very charismatic, commanded the room, and yeah, man, great speaker,

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Speaker 10: great orator, and very funny too. A lot of people

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Speaker 10: don't really realize, but he was a bit of a

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Speaker 10: mocker as well, very much that salmon humor and island

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Speaker 10: banter that I don't know because sometimes get you in trouble.

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Speaker 10: But yeah, no, he was very funny as well, for

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Speaker 10: those who know.

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Speaker 2: No Na, And how incredible is that that he saw

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Speaker 2: you knew that you wanted to become a journalist, And

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Speaker 2: then how many times have you interviewed him over the years, right,

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Speaker 2: Like how incredible.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's pretty funny because I didn't really get the

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Speaker 10: chance at the camp to you know, say if I

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Speaker 10: would say, like thank you for organizing that. The journalist

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Speaker 10: that he got was Pacific journalist Vienna Richards and she

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Speaker 10: was working at I think she was working at Pacific

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Speaker 10: Media Network at the time, five point thirty one PI.

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Speaker 10: It wasn't until years later I got to say properly

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Speaker 10: thank you for that opportunity, you know, thank you for

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Speaker 10: allowing access to you know, because that was I think

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Speaker 10: that was the first time I've ever met a journalist.

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Speaker 10: But yeah, over the years, I've interviewed him many other

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Speaker 10: times and even spoken about Dream fun or because I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 10: not to be funny or anything, but I'm not the

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Speaker 10: only person who did very well, like who attended Dream

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Speaker 10: Faunal over the years, you know, even now and I

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Speaker 10: have friends who went to that camp who yeah, doing

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Speaker 10: very well, like in the education sector, in health and law,

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Speaker 10: and yeah we did, okay.

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Speaker 11: He was a massive advocate for the Pacific community, a

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Speaker 11: massive advocate for the vulnerable, for the poor, for young people,

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Speaker 11: for South Auckland.

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Speaker 14: His lived experience would have been huge, and that that's

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Speaker 14: just gone in an instant. You can't replace people like

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Speaker 14: that overnight. He was one of our great hopes for

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Speaker 14: our future as specific people in our tail or.

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Speaker 6: What do you think Offesso's legacy is going to be.

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Speaker 10: That's such a tough one. His legacy is already something

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Speaker 10: that we've seen. I think I think he's already left

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Speaker 10: the legacy. We're even still seeing his legacy. You know,

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Speaker 10: the number of people who are turning up to pay

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Speaker 10: respects and say farewell. I think the tip in their

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Speaker 10: funeral home has probably never seen this kind of turn out.

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Speaker 10: You're seeing politicians, aupen councilors from different parts of the city,

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Speaker 10: not just Southside. I understand Mayor when Wayne Brown went yesterday,

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Speaker 10: the leader of the opposition, Chris Hopkins, the Green Party

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Speaker 10: of course, Labor Party or the parties. I understand Prime

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Speaker 10: Minister Chris Luxon is going to be at the funeral

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Speaker 10: as well. And it's just to me, that's the legacy

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Speaker 10: right there. You know, he's touched them in people and

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Speaker 10: somehow made everybody feel special or valued in his own way.

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Speaker 10: And I truly hope that his legacy doesn't stop here.

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Speaker 10: He fought so hard for I think he called them

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Speaker 10: the square pigs in his maiden speech, you know, the

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Speaker 10: underdogs or if you like. And I hope to see

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Speaker 10: more young Pacifica standing up or be motivated or inspired

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Speaker 10: by his example. And yeah, just carry on to be

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Speaker 10: good people and good and whatever they choose to become.

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