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Speaker 1: There are worries about Saint John's plan to cut their

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Speaker 1: community services. Saint John's plans to pull community care, has pet,

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Speaker 1: their therapy services and remove from in hospital volunteers from

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Speaker 1: in hospital emergency departments. And Daniels is the president of

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Speaker 1: the New Zealand Nurses Organization and with us hi end hi,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing well? Thank you? Practically what is

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Speaker 1: this going to do to EDS?

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Speaker 2: The fact is that we're absolutely hammered. Every single day

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Speaker 2: I get texts using the language has changed over the

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Speaker 2: last year or so. We've gone from any hours to

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Speaker 2: any hours desperate will take anything text for nursing staff.

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Speaker 2: So in that context, with the huge nursing staff and

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Speaker 2: gaps and the unsafe work environment, we absolutely rely on

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Speaker 2: our friends of the emergency department, Saint John's volunteers to

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Speaker 2: actually help us make sure that our patients are not

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Speaker 2: absolutely left in the corridor alone and thinking has everybody

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Speaker 2: forgotten me? They are doing an amazing job. They keep

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Speaker 2: people comfortable, they reassure them, they come and get us

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Speaker 2: if they think there's something going on. Without them, we

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Speaker 2: will be lost.

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Speaker 1: Do you think this is about money for Saint John Well?

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Speaker 2: Saint John's is denying that. And I have to question

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Speaker 2: that because even though these volunteers don't get paid, there

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Speaker 2: is an infrastructure costs and like everybody these days, funding

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Speaker 2: is less than it should be. And I suspect that's

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Speaker 2: the same for Saint John's. But I can't say, hand

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Speaker 2: on heart, I know that for a fact. But logic

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Speaker 2: says that that is the problem.

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Speaker 1: So if it is about money, then can it be

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Speaker 1: turned around? Do you think with donations?

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Speaker 2: I don't think it should be. I actually think Saint

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Speaker 2: John's should be fully funded by the government to do

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Speaker 2: the job that they are doing right now. And we've

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Speaker 2: heard stories about Saint John's not being able to get

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Speaker 2: to people in time. We've heard stories about the ambulances

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Speaker 2: getting there too late in people dying. But you know

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Speaker 2: this is the paige Saint John's workforce. There's not enough

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Speaker 2: of them. There are not enough ambulances out in the

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Speaker 2: rural area. Most of the stations of are manned by volunteers.

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Speaker 2: Are they also going to be cut? If they are,

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Speaker 2: that is going to be horendous for our rural communities.

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Speaker 2: And when we've got a government saying that they're standing

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Speaker 2: up for reducing and eliminating a postcode lottery. Well, I

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Speaker 2: can't see it happening.

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Speaker 1: And I really appreciate your time. Thank you, Anne Daniel's

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Nurses Organization President.

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