WEBVTT - Full Show Podcast: 11 May 2025 0:00:06.815 --> 0:00:10.415 You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf 0:00:10.415 --> 0:00:13.975 Camp from News Talks at B. Whether you're painting the ceiling, 0:00:14.015 --> 0:00:16.695 fixing the fence, or wondering how to fix that hole 0:00:16.735 --> 0:00:18.855 in the wall, give Peter wolf Camp a call on 0:00:19.175 --> 0:00:22.935 eight The Resident Builder on News Talks at B. 0:00:25.095 --> 0:00:30.575 The house is a hoo even when it's dark, even 0:00:30.615 --> 0:00:35.775 when the grass is overgrown in the yard, even when 0:00:35.815 --> 0:00:40.055 the dog is too old to barn. And when you're 0:00:40.095 --> 0:00:45.895 sitting at the table trying not to stop mose scissor. 0:00:45.695 --> 0:00:51.455 Hole, even when we are ben gone, even when you're 0:00:51.695 --> 0:01:01.095 there alone, ld. 0:01:04.095 --> 0:01:09.575 House is a hole even newshost, even when you go 0:01:09.815 --> 0:01:14.775 around fund the ones you love your most screamed. Does 0:01:14.895 --> 0:01:16.535 broken pants appeen in front of. 0:01:18.975 --> 0:01:26.335 Locals vestall when they're gone and leaving them has even 0:01:26.455 --> 0:01:42.495 when we'll run, even when you're in there alone. 0:01:44.575 --> 0:01:46.975 Very very good farming and welcome along to the show. 0:01:47.135 --> 0:01:49.815 My name is Peter wolf Campus is the Resident Builder 0:01:49.855 --> 0:01:54.975 on Sunday. And well, I've moved, I've moved. This is 0:01:55.055 --> 0:01:59.295 this is dis combobulating. Just I've moved from where I 0:01:59.455 --> 0:02:03.495 regularly broadcast, which is the small studio with a standing 0:02:03.535 --> 0:02:07.335 desk too. Well, Basically, it feels like it's everybody's studio, 0:02:07.375 --> 0:02:09.415 but it's not. It's my costing studio in a sense. 0:02:10.135 --> 0:02:12.695 And so I'm sitting which is slightly unusual for me. 0:02:12.775 --> 0:02:15.095 I'm in a much bigger space. It feels like Isaiah, 0:02:15.175 --> 0:02:18.055 my producer, is way further away. And the reason that 0:02:18.095 --> 0:02:20.375 I've moved over here is that I have a guest 0:02:20.375 --> 0:02:23.615 coming into the studio this morning from around seven thirty 0:02:24.775 --> 0:02:26.495 for a good chunk of time because we've got a 0:02:26.535 --> 0:02:28.895 lot to talk about. And so my guest in the 0:02:28.935 --> 0:02:31.895 studio after seven thirty is going to be the Minister 0:02:32.055 --> 0:02:37.135 for Building and Construction, Chris Pink, who some time ago 0:02:37.255 --> 0:02:40.695 when we chatted, we talked about the possibility of doing 0:02:40.935 --> 0:02:44.695 an in person interview over a slightly longer period of 0:02:44.735 --> 0:02:48.855 time that would also allow you to send in questions, 0:02:48.935 --> 0:02:52.735 whether that's by text or probably some calls as well, 0:02:53.495 --> 0:02:57.095 and he very gratefully said that he would or I 0:02:57.175 --> 0:03:01.055 was grateful, and so Chris Pink, the Minister for Building 0:03:01.095 --> 0:03:03.855 and Construction, will join me in the studio from around 0:03:03.855 --> 0:03:07.495 seven thirty onwards. Before then, of course, right now, and 0:03:07.895 --> 0:03:09.935 when I say right now, I mean like right right now, 0:03:09.975 --> 0:03:12.415 because the lines are open. You can call and we 0:03:12.455 --> 0:03:16.135 can talk all things building and construction. It's eight hundred 0:03:16.135 --> 0:03:19.255 and eighty ten eighty. It's nine to nine two for 0:03:19.335 --> 0:03:22.375 the text that zedbzb from your mobile phone. Remember there 0:03:22.415 --> 0:03:24.935 is a small fee for that. And if you'd like 0:03:24.975 --> 0:03:28.375 to send me an email, it's Pete at Newstalk zedb 0:03:28.615 --> 0:03:31.495 dot co dot NZ. So I trust you had a 0:03:31.535 --> 0:03:34.975 good week For those in the sort of upper part 0:03:35.015 --> 0:03:38.735 of the North Island, Auckland in particular, on Friday, we 0:03:38.735 --> 0:03:43.895 were reminded again seemingly of the need to build in 0:03:44.015 --> 0:03:50.055 terms of climate resistance or resilience. Rather, I wasn't in 0:03:50.455 --> 0:03:53.375 Auckland on Friday. I happen to be actually in Wellington 0:03:53.455 --> 0:03:56.575 on Friday, but I saw some video images and certainly 0:03:56.655 --> 0:04:00.375 I talked to the family and at the skies opened up, 0:04:00.375 --> 0:04:04.655 a bucketed down. There was not extensive flooding, but there 0:04:04.695 --> 0:04:11.615 was certainly localized flooding and considerable disruption, it seems, and 0:04:11.895 --> 0:04:14.735 it feels like we all know this now that these 0:04:14.735 --> 0:04:19.135 sorts of weather events are more and more common. There 0:04:19.215 --> 0:04:21.415 used to be a definition or there still is, around 0:04:21.975 --> 0:04:26.215 a one and one hundred year flood event. And I'm 0:04:26.255 --> 0:04:29.095 pretty sure I've mentioned before. You know, I've probably been 0:04:29.375 --> 0:04:32.455 experienced maybe five or six of those. And while I 0:04:32.695 --> 0:04:35.055 am getting older, and I'm older this week than I 0:04:35.095 --> 0:04:41.175 was last week, you know, these sorts of events are 0:04:41.175 --> 0:04:45.135 happening over and over and over again, and we're going 0:04:45.215 --> 0:04:47.175 to have to deal with it in terms of where 0:04:47.215 --> 0:04:49.575 we put our houses, how we build them, how we 0:04:49.655 --> 0:04:52.615 do infrastructure and so on. So happy to talk about that. 0:04:53.895 --> 0:04:56.735 I would also like to think, as a result of 0:04:56.775 --> 0:05:00.455 my one of my trips during the course of the week, 0:05:01.175 --> 0:05:03.775 that I bring a bit of a new insight into 0:05:03.815 --> 0:05:07.295 a couple of things. I had the opportunity on Friday 0:05:07.815 --> 0:05:11.775 to go and visit Brands, the Building Research Association of 0:05:11.815 --> 0:05:17.255 New Zealand. They are based in a fairly large sort 0:05:17.255 --> 0:05:22.175 of compound north of Wellington in Upper Hut and I 0:05:22.215 --> 0:05:25.295 had an invitation from their general manager of research to 0:05:25.335 --> 0:05:29.095 come and have a look through. That's Chris Litton. They 0:05:29.095 --> 0:05:31.815 were incredibly generous with their time and I really do 0:05:32.215 --> 0:05:36.575 sort of publicly want to acknowledge them for their hospitality, 0:05:36.655 --> 0:05:40.255 for the welcome, for sort of arranging for me to 0:05:40.295 --> 0:05:43.775 speak to different experts in different fields, to go for 0:05:43.855 --> 0:05:48.415 a tour of their facilities which are extensive and have 0:05:48.575 --> 0:05:51.815 been expanded rapidly in order for them to do even 0:05:51.895 --> 0:05:54.775 better testing on things that are really really important, like 0:05:54.855 --> 0:05:57.375 for example, and I was listening to Kerry actually talking 0:05:57.775 --> 0:06:02.015 with the fens of public relations person about lithium mion batteries. 0:06:02.295 --> 0:06:05.495 What happens when there's a fire. And there's a brand 0:06:05.535 --> 0:06:08.895 new fire testing laboratory that's been developed at Brands that 0:06:08.975 --> 0:06:12.415 will allow testing of entire buildings, like a small building, 0:06:12.735 --> 0:06:15.455 not just you know, one part of it, but an 0:06:15.615 --> 0:06:18.215 entire building. It will allow testing of facades up to 0:06:18.255 --> 0:06:23.495 three stories and allow testing in various furnaces as to 0:06:23.495 --> 0:06:27.415 see what happens when fire strikes and the impact of 0:06:27.535 --> 0:06:31.095 fire spread and fire penetrations, and what type of sealance work. 0:06:31.215 --> 0:06:34.855 So I you know, I like talking about building stuff. 0:06:34.895 --> 0:06:38.895 I like talking about the technicalities of building stuff. And 0:06:40.335 --> 0:06:43.255 in one we went to the structural lab and this 0:06:43.335 --> 0:06:45.735 is one for all of the tradees who might be listening. 0:06:46.055 --> 0:06:48.935 You know, if you've ever done if you've used plaster 0:06:49.015 --> 0:06:52.255 boarders bracing, you know that there's a pattern right how 0:06:52.255 --> 0:06:55.695 you're supposed to fix the do the fastness. So typically 0:06:55.735 --> 0:06:58.615 it's in from the corner fifty mil then fifty fifty 0:06:58.615 --> 0:07:01.135 to fifty seventy five, seventy five, then one fifty around 0:07:01.135 --> 0:07:03.495 the perimeter. You've got to make sure that your fixings 0:07:03.575 --> 0:07:07.135 are at least twelve millimeters in from the perimeter, etc. Etc. 0:07:07.335 --> 0:07:10.375 And then depending on what type of bracing it is, 0:07:10.455 --> 0:07:14.495 it'll have just the fixings with standard plaster board, it'll 0:07:14.495 --> 0:07:17.735 have the standard plaster board plus a hole down, et cetera, etc. 0:07:18.175 --> 0:07:21.215 And as it happened when I was there in the lab, 0:07:21.295 --> 0:07:26.895 they were testing a full sized sheet of plasterboard. I 0:07:26.935 --> 0:07:29.575 think it was to board. I'm pretty sure that had 0:07:29.575 --> 0:07:32.175 been nailed off as per a GS one, so the 0:07:32.255 --> 0:07:36.535 kind of lowest type of bracing without the hold downs. 0:07:36.615 --> 0:07:38.855 And so this wall was set up on a rig 0:07:39.175 --> 0:07:41.135 and they had a ram that was attached to the 0:07:41.175 --> 0:07:43.655 top of it that they could rack the whole thing 0:07:43.735 --> 0:07:48.375 back and forth as if it was experiencing seismic movement 0:07:48.495 --> 0:07:52.655 due to an earthquake, and then watching it essentially move, 0:07:54.295 --> 0:07:57.335 and I guess they test sometimes to destruction as well. 0:07:57.415 --> 0:08:00.135 So I found it fascinating. And again my thanks to 0:08:00.175 --> 0:08:02.575 the team at Brands for a very very warm, welcome, 0:08:03.055 --> 0:08:07.575 pretty miserable day and Wellington on Friday, but exceptionally beautiful 0:08:07.655 --> 0:08:11.535 day on Saturday at the Better Home and Living Show, 0:08:11.575 --> 0:08:14.095 which is still on today. Right, Oh, give me a 0:08:14.135 --> 0:08:16.855 call if you've got a question of a building nature. 0:08:16.935 --> 0:08:19.615 The lines are open. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty 0:08:19.935 --> 0:08:23.415 we can talk. I think at this time of year, 0:08:24.055 --> 0:08:27.695 maintenance is really really important. Maintenance is always important. But 0:08:27.775 --> 0:08:31.335 hopefully you've done your maintenance and you're ready for the winter, 0:08:31.495 --> 0:08:34.735 whether that's the wind, whether that's the rain, whether that's 0:08:34.775 --> 0:08:38.175 the cold that's coming. Hopefully you've done some stuff to 0:08:38.215 --> 0:08:41.575 prepare the house and get ready for winter. But if 0:08:41.615 --> 0:08:43.855 you need some help with that and I can offer 0:08:43.895 --> 0:08:46.775 some advice, well that'll be great. Eight hundred eighty ten 0:08:46.815 --> 0:08:49.975 eighty is that number to call if again, just sort 0:08:50.015 --> 0:08:53.015 of stepping forward a little bit, so the Minister for 0:08:53.135 --> 0:08:56.815 Building and Construction, Chris Pink will be in the studio. 0:08:56.895 --> 0:08:59.735 So if you've got if we're going to take questions, 0:08:59.775 --> 0:09:03.135 it's going to be very very specific one. So the 0:09:03.175 --> 0:09:05.535 reason I wanted to get the Minister in in my 0:09:06.455 --> 0:09:10.055 presentation in Wellington yesterday around trying to sort of look 0:09:10.095 --> 0:09:15.655 at and provide some insight into the quite extensive changes 0:09:15.695 --> 0:09:20.575 that are proposed for the regulations that control what we 0:09:20.615 --> 0:09:23.375 can build and where we can build and how we build. So, 0:09:23.455 --> 0:09:26.855 whether that's remote inspections, whether it's the wind back or 0:09:26.855 --> 0:09:30.375 the changes to H one, which is the part of 0:09:30.415 --> 0:09:34.015 the Building Code that deals with energy efficiency and insulation 0:09:34.055 --> 0:09:38.855 in particular, whether it's self certification for builders that's been 0:09:38.895 --> 0:09:42.175 in the news a fair amount recently, whether it's the 0:09:42.215 --> 0:09:45.255 introduction of legislation that might see granny flats up to 0:09:45.295 --> 0:09:48.895 seventy square meters being able to be built without necessarily 0:09:49.055 --> 0:09:54.935 requiring a building consent, toughening rules about LBPS and sort 0:09:54.935 --> 0:09:58.575 of trying to clamp down on lbp's licensed building practitioners 0:09:58.775 --> 0:10:03.015 who don't perform particularly well. That's out there as well. 0:10:03.455 --> 0:10:08.135 There's a whole host of regulatory and legislative changes that 0:10:08.535 --> 0:10:12.215 are being talked about that relates specifically to building and 0:10:12.375 --> 0:10:15.135 construction in New Zealand. So we'll take a deep dive 0:10:15.255 --> 0:10:17.655 into that in the next hour of the show, but 0:10:17.735 --> 0:10:20.495 right now the lines are open. The opportunity is yours 0:10:20.535 --> 0:10:23.575 to talk all things building and construction. If you've got 0:10:23.575 --> 0:10:26.095 a project that's underway, I know, spend a bit of 0:10:26.095 --> 0:10:28.535 time in Wellington the Home Show yesterday, chatting with people 0:10:28.935 --> 0:10:34.415 about the various sort of dilemmas, challenges, problems that they 0:10:34.495 --> 0:10:38.415 might have in terms of, you know, remediation after a flood, 0:10:38.455 --> 0:10:41.975 for example, or what choices do I make around the 0:10:42.055 --> 0:10:45.095 type of joinery that I might be installing. All of 0:10:45.135 --> 0:10:47.095 these sorts of things. There's just so much to talk about, 0:10:47.095 --> 0:10:49.695 so I'll stop, you can start. The lines are open. 0:10:49.735 --> 0:10:52.735 The number to call eight hundred eighty ten eighty call 0:10:52.815 --> 0:10:54.735 me out a squeaky. 0:10:54.375 --> 0:10:58.375 Door or squeaky floor, get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, 0:10:58.495 --> 0:11:00.935 the resident builder on News Talks NB. 0:11:02.415 --> 0:11:04.735 Wrighty own News TALKSB. The lines are open for you. 0:11:04.935 --> 0:11:07.935 Eight hundred eighty ten are taking your calls right through 0:11:08.015 --> 0:11:10.975 till about seven thirty and then we will take a 0:11:11.015 --> 0:11:13.815 couple of calls. But it's an opportunity perhaps to spend 0:11:13.855 --> 0:11:17.015 a little bit of time with the Minister for Construction 0:11:17.255 --> 0:11:21.095 and or Building and Construction Chris Penk but right now 0:11:21.335 --> 0:11:23.255 would love to hear from you. So if you've got 0:11:23.375 --> 0:11:27.615 a question of a building nature and it look to 0:11:27.615 --> 0:11:30.735 be fair, it's a fairly wide topic. So if there's 0:11:30.775 --> 0:11:34.655 anything that is going on that you're unsure about, I 0:11:34.695 --> 0:11:37.695 listened with some interest. Funnily enough, on my sort of 0:11:37.735 --> 0:11:40.615 list of topics to discuss or to take a bit 0:11:40.655 --> 0:11:44.055 of a deep dive into, was lithium ion batteries and 0:11:44.535 --> 0:11:48.735 looking after them safely and on the Obviously, during the 0:11:48.735 --> 0:11:52.415 course of the week, Kerry reached out to FENS, which 0:11:52.495 --> 0:11:54.695 is far in an emergency in New Zealand, to talk 0:11:54.735 --> 0:11:56.695 to one of their experts about it. So I was 0:11:56.735 --> 0:12:00.815 listening to that interview in the little segment at the 0:12:00.895 --> 0:12:04.055 end of Jim's show that has highlights from Kerry's show 0:12:04.055 --> 0:12:07.695 and so on, so that that's been covered off, but 0:12:07.775 --> 0:12:09.735 I was the reason I wanted to raise it is 0:12:09.735 --> 0:12:12.295 that I guess for most of us who are either 0:12:12.575 --> 0:12:16.935 tradespeople or if you are doing an extensive amount of 0:12:17.575 --> 0:12:20.055 DIYF you're doing a fair amount of work at home, 0:12:20.455 --> 0:12:24.215 chances are you've got a number of cordless tools. Now, 0:12:24.815 --> 0:12:27.895 obviously if they're cordless, they're running on a battery. A 0:12:27.975 --> 0:12:31.855 significant number of those batteries would be lithium iron batteries 0:12:31.895 --> 0:12:34.735 with kind of most power tool brands now have moved 0:12:35.055 --> 0:12:38.135 to lithumi and iron batteries, and I was trying to 0:12:38.135 --> 0:12:39.655 do a bit of a calculation in my head the 0:12:39.655 --> 0:12:41.975 other day when I was thinking about this about like 0:12:42.055 --> 0:12:45.535 how many batteries I would actually have in terms of 0:12:45.655 --> 0:12:50.455 just for tools, and I think I got to close 0:12:50.495 --> 0:12:53.375 to twenty odd. I would say it possibly is a 0:12:53.375 --> 0:12:56.175 bit more than that. Some of those will be in 0:12:56.215 --> 0:12:59.295 the back of the ute with the kit that I 0:12:59.375 --> 0:13:00.775 keep in the back of the ute for when I'm 0:13:00.775 --> 0:13:04.615 working offsite. Then I've got a setup in the workshop 0:13:04.655 --> 0:13:08.135 as well, a couple of different brands of power tools. 0:13:08.215 --> 0:13:11.655 I've got you know, drills and drivers and skill saws 0:13:11.695 --> 0:13:18.815 and blowers and torches and routers and inflators and what else. 0:13:19.215 --> 0:13:21.895 There's quite an extensive range of bits and pieces with 0:13:22.495 --> 0:13:26.215 sort of the heavier batteries in them. Then there's you know, 0:13:26.255 --> 0:13:28.655 some of the nail guns have a slightly smaller, more 0:13:28.695 --> 0:13:33.375 compact battery. Then I've still got some old ten vault 0:13:33.735 --> 0:13:36.615 stuff that hasn't a small battery as well. I use 0:13:36.695 --> 0:13:38.495 that quite a bit this week as I was trying 0:13:38.535 --> 0:13:42.255 to sand up ballasters and things like that. And every 0:13:42.255 --> 0:13:45.495 now and then you hear stories about with your mind 0:13:45.495 --> 0:13:49.455 batteries bursting into flame, often while something else is going, 0:13:49.495 --> 0:13:52.895 you know, like a battery in good condition, stored on 0:13:52.935 --> 0:13:55.935 a flat surface, away from a heat source and so on, 0:13:56.415 --> 0:14:00.215 seems to be fairly low risk of sort of spontaneous combustion. 0:14:00.415 --> 0:14:04.495 But I must after reading a couple of stories this 0:14:04.575 --> 0:14:06.975 is like a year year and a half ago, about 0:14:07.055 --> 0:14:11.975 a battery that just seemed to spontaneously combust I kind 0:14:12.015 --> 0:14:15.215 of went through and looked at where I stored batteries 0:14:15.255 --> 0:14:17.895 when they're not in use, looked at where I located 0:14:18.695 --> 0:14:22.575 charges for when I am charging the battery, and changed 0:14:22.615 --> 0:14:25.815 a few practices so the batteries aren't jumbled up like 0:14:25.855 --> 0:14:28.135 in a drawer or in a pile. They're all set 0:14:28.135 --> 0:14:31.175 out next to each other. I've moved them slightly so 0:14:31.215 --> 0:14:34.935 they're in a slightly cooler part of the workshop. And 0:14:35.615 --> 0:14:38.775 I've certainly got into the habit of not leaving the 0:14:38.815 --> 0:14:42.015 battery on the charger for much longer than it needs 0:14:42.055 --> 0:14:46.135 to fully charge it. So even with lithium ion batteries, 0:14:46.135 --> 0:14:48.575 and even you know, like the charges that come with 0:14:48.695 --> 0:14:54.215 most professional cordless tools nowadays have a feature in them 0:14:54.255 --> 0:14:58.815 where they charge almost to completely charged, and then once 0:14:58.855 --> 0:15:01.295 they've reached that, they go on to a trickle charge. 0:15:01.335 --> 0:15:03.695 They don't just keep charging at the same rate that 0:15:03.735 --> 0:15:06.175 they used to, which I'm sure is a safety device 0:15:06.615 --> 0:15:10.095 and prevents perhaps batteries sitting on a charger overnight, you know, 0:15:10.215 --> 0:15:14.095 ten or twelve hours and overheating at that time. I'm 0:15:14.135 --> 0:15:16.775 pretty sure that that's the case. But either way, I've 0:15:16.815 --> 0:15:20.575 tried to sort of not schedule. That sounds a bit pretentious, 0:15:20.615 --> 0:15:23.015 but I've tried to sort of if I am charging 0:15:23.575 --> 0:15:27.015 batteries while I'm in the workshop, i'll charge them while 0:15:27.055 --> 0:15:30.655 I'm in the workshop. I've moved away from charging them, 0:15:30.775 --> 0:15:32.575 let's say overnight. If I finish at the end of 0:15:32.575 --> 0:15:35.855 the day and the battery's flat, generally i've got a spare, 0:15:36.015 --> 0:15:38.935 so I'll leave that one alone, and I'll put it 0:15:38.975 --> 0:15:41.455 on the charger the following day, and I turn the 0:15:41.575 --> 0:15:44.815 charges off overnight as well, so don't leave them on 0:15:45.575 --> 0:15:49.175 even without a battery in them. And I've noticed too 0:15:49.215 --> 0:15:51.895 that I've tried to move away from, Hopefully this is 0:15:51.895 --> 0:15:54.535 helpful to you. I've tried to move away from having 0:15:55.655 --> 0:15:58.215 like taking the battery. When I've run the battery down, 0:15:58.255 --> 0:16:01.215 it's no longer turning the drill or the circular saw 0:16:01.375 --> 0:16:04.295 or the receip saw or the blower or the whatever 0:16:04.415 --> 0:16:07.335 tool that I'm using. Don't put it on the charger 0:16:07.375 --> 0:16:10.695 straight away. I leave it for a little while, let 0:16:10.735 --> 0:16:13.255 it kind of cool down, and then I put it 0:16:13.295 --> 0:16:16.415 on the charger. So and also, look, if you've dropped 0:16:16.415 --> 0:16:18.975 your battery and there's a chip out of the corner, 0:16:19.375 --> 0:16:22.575 or you notice that it gets really hot when you're 0:16:22.655 --> 0:16:28.815 using it, then definitely, definitely, definitely basically get rid of it, 0:16:29.255 --> 0:16:33.295 but in the right way. I followed a I was 0:16:33.655 --> 0:16:36.055 heading up for a meeting a couple of weeks ago, 0:16:36.095 --> 0:16:38.775 and I noticed there was a rubbish truck general sort 0:16:38.815 --> 0:16:44.695 of council collections parked up in a little reserve with 0:16:45.095 --> 0:16:47.495 a lot of smoke coming out of the back of it. 0:16:48.255 --> 0:16:50.335 I think there were a couple of fire engines there 0:16:50.815 --> 0:16:53.135 kind of observing at the stage. But obviously the driver 0:16:53.255 --> 0:16:55.095 had noticed that there was smoke coming out of the 0:16:55.135 --> 0:16:58.095 back of the truck, had pulled off to a safe area, 0:16:58.455 --> 0:17:00.375 and then as I went past there later on, that 0:17:00.535 --> 0:17:03.575 obviously tipped the truck up and tripped up the back, 0:17:03.935 --> 0:17:06.735 dropped everything on the ground, and that allowed the fire 0:17:06.775 --> 0:17:09.175 service to find the source of the fire and put 0:17:09.215 --> 0:17:12.895 it out. But you know, that was away from other people, 0:17:12.895 --> 0:17:15.815 it was away from other buildings and so on. But 0:17:15.895 --> 0:17:19.975 these sorts of fires because people basically are lazy, right, 0:17:20.175 --> 0:17:24.055 will inconsiderate probably a combination of the two. And if 0:17:24.095 --> 0:17:27.775 they're lithium ion batteries of all shapes and sizes into 0:17:27.855 --> 0:17:31.335 general refuse where potentially they can be crushed and damage 0:17:31.735 --> 0:17:35.015 and start fires. So I think we do need to 0:17:35.055 --> 0:17:39.015 be just got to be better at how we dispose 0:17:39.095 --> 0:17:41.135 of them. And I have to say what I didn't 0:17:41.175 --> 0:17:45.415 realize listening to Kerries the repeat of Kerri's interview with 0:17:45.455 --> 0:17:48.375 Fens is that vapes. Not that I vape, and I 0:17:48.415 --> 0:17:50.655 know very few people who do, but the vapes have 0:17:51.295 --> 0:17:55.375 liftium ion batteries in them, even the disposable ones, and 0:17:54.855 --> 0:17:57.655 I would say ninety nine percent of those will go 0:17:57.695 --> 0:18:01.135 on the rubbishmen. People are probably not taking those to 0:18:01.215 --> 0:18:08.095 an approved recycler for this safe disposal of those. Right here, 0:18:08.495 --> 0:18:10.015 we should talk about that. Oh eight, one hundred and 0:18:10.015 --> 0:18:12.415 eighty ten eighty is the number to call and Chris, 0:18:12.655 --> 0:18:16.735 good morning to you. It's Chris very well. 0:18:17.775 --> 0:18:20.575 Yeah, there's a few things on my mind anyway. One 0:18:20.575 --> 0:18:24.575 of them was about your brands down there a bit. 0:18:25.815 --> 0:18:32.295 Do brands do any sort of public displays or sort 0:18:32.295 --> 0:18:35.135 of videos and stuff of what they actually do down there. 0:18:35.375 --> 0:18:39.175 Oh, brands does a massive amount of public work, right, 0:18:39.255 --> 0:18:42.535 So essentially all of the reports, all of the appraisals 0:18:43.575 --> 0:18:49.815 are available online. And like, if you're a trade you 0:18:49.975 --> 0:18:54.295 probably get their magazine. So the Brands that Build magazine 0:18:54.375 --> 0:18:57.615 comes out monthly. One of the things I talked about, 0:18:57.855 --> 0:19:01.175 or they mentioned with their comms team yesterday, is that 0:19:01.215 --> 0:19:04.655 they're looking to digitize that as well. So at the moment, 0:19:04.815 --> 0:19:07.935 you can find any article from the brand's library, and 0:19:07.975 --> 0:19:13.295 we're talking thousands of articles now right online. So I 0:19:13.335 --> 0:19:16.575 would just go to search for Brands and Build Magazine 0:19:16.615 --> 0:19:19.815 and you'll find an index of all of their articles. 0:19:21.135 --> 0:19:26.095 And look, I actually use their information a lot, and 0:19:26.135 --> 0:19:28.495 I use it quite a lot for presentations because they've 0:19:28.495 --> 0:19:31.695 got really good summaries of you know, the effectiveness of 0:19:31.735 --> 0:19:35.895 glazing or the benefits of ventilation and so on. So, yes, 0:19:36.055 --> 0:19:38.575 there is a lot of public information. It's basically what 0:19:38.615 --> 0:19:41.175 they do. They're an educator. There are a lab and 0:19:41.255 --> 0:19:41.895 an educator. 0:19:42.695 --> 0:19:44.855 It'll be good to see sort of what goes on 0:19:45.495 --> 0:19:49.255 behind the scenes to get through the conclusions and whatnot 0:19:49.375 --> 0:19:51.215 before the testing. 0:19:51.895 --> 0:19:53.775 Yeah, Look, I'm pretty sure that it won't take you 0:19:53.815 --> 0:19:57.215 too long to find all of that information online. And 0:19:57.735 --> 0:20:01.415 like I say, I regularly if I'm searching for something, 0:20:01.455 --> 0:20:04.095 So if I'm doing a bit of research into I 0:20:04.095 --> 0:20:07.135 don't know the effectiveness of ventilation or the active mold 0:20:07.295 --> 0:20:09.735 or something like that, chances are I'll end up with 0:20:09.815 --> 0:20:11.175 a brand's piece of research. 0:20:12.255 --> 0:20:16.935 Yep, and a few other two other things was on 0:20:17.015 --> 0:20:24.895 my house in Matter and Matamatter was about changing from 0:20:24.975 --> 0:20:29.655 my single glazed windows to a double glazing system, and 0:20:29.975 --> 0:20:33.055 I was thinking about putting in new windows because I've 0:20:33.055 --> 0:20:38.695 got holdersbestos highline on the gables and above in between 0:20:38.695 --> 0:20:41.815 the and above all the windows and between the bricks, 0:20:42.895 --> 0:20:46.055 and looks like the high line goes in behind the 0:20:46.215 --> 0:20:53.535 alven infint of the current windows, and which doesn't really 0:20:54.615 --> 0:20:56.455 make it very waterproof by the look of it. 0:20:56.775 --> 0:20:58.855 I was going to say, that's that's like directive of 0:20:58.935 --> 0:21:01.975 what are in behind the extrusion rather than out over 0:21:02.015 --> 0:21:02.335 the front. 0:21:03.255 --> 0:21:07.015 And it's like it goes in behind the I'm not 0:21:07.055 --> 0:21:10.535 too sure if it just goes into the groove around 0:21:10.575 --> 0:21:14.295 and behind the aluminium fin and then just sort of 0:21:15.375 --> 0:21:18.335 it comes out behind into the brick cavity and then 0:21:18.575 --> 0:21:22.375 down away, I guess. But you can see that there's 0:21:22.415 --> 0:21:25.615 a few little wet spots or you know where the 0:21:25.615 --> 0:21:26.575 plaster boards get in them. 0:21:26.575 --> 0:21:33.815 But I know the windows, you're starting to see some 0:21:33.815 --> 0:21:34.415 some issues. 0:21:34.455 --> 0:21:39.375 There's the seventh that's was built in the late seventies 0:21:39.455 --> 0:21:45.135 or something, so's been there a while, okay, and I 0:21:45.215 --> 0:21:46.735 was sort of wondering. 0:21:47.535 --> 0:21:51.055 Yeah, I mean, look at it makes a lot of 0:21:51.095 --> 0:21:55.295 sense even without seeing it to address that issue. It's 0:21:55.335 --> 0:21:58.255 a it's a surprising methodology in the sense of having 0:21:58.655 --> 0:22:01.415 the cladding sort of directing water and behind the windows. 0:22:01.415 --> 0:22:03.615 Maybe there used to be be of seilant there that's 0:22:03.695 --> 0:22:09.735 that's diminished over time. Look, certainly, you know, I think 0:22:09.855 --> 0:22:12.775 the juries out in terms of we all know that 0:22:12.975 --> 0:22:16.895 double glazing is way more effective. In fact, if you 0:22:17.655 --> 0:22:21.735 get the right combination of double glazing and joinery, you 0:22:21.775 --> 0:22:25.855 can get almost ten times like it's nine point two 0:22:25.975 --> 0:22:30.535 or something like that, almost ten times the thermal performance 0:22:30.975 --> 0:22:33.935 out of a shift from single glaze to double glazed, 0:22:35.815 --> 0:22:38.335 which you know is a considerable saving. Right. We're not 0:22:38.375 --> 0:22:42.895 talking a small increment or saving in terms of energy efficiency, right, 0:22:42.935 --> 0:22:47.255 it is way more energy efficient. So your existing joinery. 0:22:47.335 --> 0:22:51.295 It's aluminium, yes, it's am here, okay. And if it's 0:22:51.295 --> 0:22:54.855 a nineteen seventies house, it's probably getting towards sort of 0:22:54.975 --> 0:22:58.655 end of life in terms of the powder coat on 0:22:58.695 --> 0:23:01.775 the joinery will have diminished, the frames themselves will be 0:23:01.815 --> 0:23:04.375 moving a little bit, the hard ware will be moving. 0:23:04.975 --> 0:23:06.855 So then you've got a couple of options in terms 0:23:06.855 --> 0:23:14.575 of do you opt to stay with aluminium and go 0:23:14.695 --> 0:23:18.415 for double glazing as well. I suppose you could make 0:23:18.415 --> 0:23:19.855 the choice and go All I want to do is 0:23:19.895 --> 0:23:22.375 the double glazing. What you might find is that most 0:23:22.375 --> 0:23:25.735 of those sashes are not suitable for retrofit. So whoever 0:23:25.855 --> 0:23:30.495 does the retrofit will need to make new sashes, and 0:23:30.535 --> 0:23:34.415 whether or not it's the right choice. Let's say to 0:23:34.495 --> 0:23:36.855 make a new sash to fit into an old frame, 0:23:37.175 --> 0:23:40.855 You'll have to do the numbers on that. I'm thinking 0:23:40.855 --> 0:23:42.735 that if you wanted to, and if you were prepared 0:23:42.735 --> 0:23:45.695 to invest in it, you'd pull the old frames out 0:23:45.815 --> 0:23:50.015 with the glazing in them and replace them with new frames. 0:23:51.015 --> 0:23:55.375 Then you've got options there in terms of aluminium joinery 0:23:55.615 --> 0:23:58.935 or uPVC joinery, so you'd want to look at both 0:23:58.975 --> 0:24:04.655 of those. And then I guess, like the asbestos cladding 0:24:04.895 --> 0:24:08.255 that you think you've got on the proper, like if 0:24:08.295 --> 0:24:10.295 you have to cut into it or anything like that, 0:24:10.335 --> 0:24:12.735 you'd have to be super cautious around that. And I 0:24:12.775 --> 0:24:14.935 think if you were having to cut into it, you'd 0:24:14.935 --> 0:24:18.455 probably go, this is my opportunity to remove it. But 0:24:18.535 --> 0:24:23.135 then that needs to be done by a licensed practitioner, 0:24:23.215 --> 0:24:25.495