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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf

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Speaker 1: Camp from News Talks at B. Whether you're painting the ceiling,

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Speaker 1: fixing the fence, or wondering how to fix that hole

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Speaker 1: in the wall, give Peter wolf Camp a call on

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Speaker 1: eight The Resident Builder on News Talks at B.

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Speaker 2: The house is a hoo even when it's dark, even

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Speaker 2: when the grass is overgrown in the yard, even when

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Speaker 2: the dog is too old to barn. And when you're

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Speaker 2: sitting at the table trying not to stop mose scissor.

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Speaker 3: Hole, even when we are ben gone, even when you're

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Speaker 4: House is a hole even newshost, even when you go

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Speaker 4: around fund the ones you love your most screamed. Does

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Speaker 4: broken pants appeen in front of.

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Speaker 2: Locals vestall when they're gone and leaving them has even

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Speaker 2: when we'll run, even when you're in there alone.

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Speaker 5: Very very good farming and welcome along to the show.

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Speaker 5: My name is Peter wolf Campus is the Resident Builder

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Speaker 5: on Sunday. And well, I've moved, I've moved. This is

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Speaker 5: this is dis combobulating. Just I've moved from where I

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Speaker 5: regularly broadcast, which is the small studio with a standing

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Speaker 5: desk too. Well, Basically, it feels like it's everybody's studio,

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Speaker 5: but it's not. It's my costing studio in a sense.

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Speaker 5: And so I'm sitting which is slightly unusual for me.

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Speaker 5: I'm in a much bigger space. It feels like Isaiah,

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Speaker 5: my producer, is way further away. And the reason that

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Speaker 5: I've moved over here is that I have a guest

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Speaker 5: coming into the studio this morning from around seven thirty

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Speaker 5: for a good chunk of time because we've got a

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Speaker 5: lot to talk about. And so my guest in the

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Speaker 5: for Building and Construction, Chris Pink, who some time ago

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Speaker 5: when we chatted, we talked about the possibility of doing

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Speaker 5: an in person interview over a slightly longer period of

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Speaker 5: time that would also allow you to send in questions,

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Speaker 5: whether that's by text or probably some calls as well,

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Speaker 5: and he very gratefully said that he would or I

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Speaker 5: was grateful, and so Chris Pink, the Minister for Building

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Speaker 5: and Construction, will join me in the studio from around

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Speaker 5: seven thirty onwards. Before then, of course, right now, and

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Speaker 5: when I say right now, I mean like right right now,

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Speaker 5: because the lines are open. You can call and we

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Speaker 5: can talk all things building and construction. It's eight hundred

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Speaker 5: the text that zedbzb from your mobile phone. Remember there

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Speaker 5: is a small fee for that. And if you'd like

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Speaker 5: to send me an email, it's Pete at Newstalk zedb

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Speaker 5: dot co dot NZ. So I trust you had a

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Speaker 5: good week For those in the sort of upper part

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Speaker 5: were reminded again seemingly of the need to build in

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Speaker 5: terms of climate resistance or resilience. Rather, I wasn't in

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Speaker 5: Auckland on Friday. I happen to be actually in Wellington

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Speaker 5: What happens when there's a fire. And there's a brand

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Speaker 5: So I you know, I like talking about building stuff.

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Speaker 5: You know, if you've ever done if you've used plaster

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Speaker 5: So I found it fascinating. And again my thanks to

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Speaker 5: the team at Brands for a very very warm, welcome,

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Speaker 5: pretty miserable day and Wellington on Friday, but exceptionally beautiful

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Speaker 5: The lines are open. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 5: There's a whole host of regulatory and legislative changes that

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Speaker 1: Door or squeaky floor, get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare,

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Speaker 5: Wrighty own News TALKSB. The lines are open for you.

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Speaker 5: DIYF you're doing a fair amount of work at home,

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Speaker 5: chances are you've got a number of cordless tools. Now,

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Speaker 5: significant number of those batteries would be lithium iron batteries

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Speaker 5: good morning to you. It's Chris very well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a few things on my mind anyway. One

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Speaker 6: Yep, and a few other two other things was on

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Speaker 6: And it's like it goes in behind the I'm not

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Speaker 5: sections of cladding and replacing that with something that's that's

430
00:26:02,495 --> 00:26:03,215
Speaker 5: more updated.

431
00:26:03,975 --> 00:26:06,535
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's fine. I wanted to do that anyway, get

432
00:26:06,615 --> 00:26:08,975
Speaker 6: rid of the asbestos. But I was just wandering to

433
00:26:09,375 --> 00:26:14,215
Speaker 6: see if I should use BBC or whether I use

434
00:26:15,535 --> 00:26:18,495
Speaker 6: the new centrifixed system which sort of pushes the window

435
00:26:18,495 --> 00:26:20,175
Speaker 6: frame back in line with the timber.

436
00:26:20,655 --> 00:26:22,855
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's one of the features of the uPVC

437
00:26:23,015 --> 00:26:27,415
Speaker 5: as well. Typically, so I've started to do a little

438
00:26:27,415 --> 00:26:30,535
Speaker 5: bit of work with a company called Stark so s

439
00:26:30,655 --> 00:26:39,135
Speaker 5: T a r K. And you know, one of in fact,

440
00:26:39,175 --> 00:26:41,295
Speaker 5: I was looking at a model the other day. You know,

441
00:26:41,335 --> 00:26:43,975
Speaker 5: one of the things that unfortunately we've done kind of

442
00:26:44,015 --> 00:26:48,775
Speaker 5: as a result of having moving from having direct fixed

443
00:26:48,855 --> 00:26:52,335
Speaker 5: cladding to having cladding on cavities is that we ended

444
00:26:52,415 --> 00:26:55,375
Speaker 5: up sort of pushing our windows out, and as we've

445
00:26:55,415 --> 00:26:57,855
Speaker 5: moved to having double glazing, we end up with all

446
00:26:57,895 --> 00:27:01,735
Speaker 5: of the insulation properties of the double blazing forty to

447
00:27:01,815 --> 00:27:06,495
Speaker 5: fifty millimeters out from our framing line, which is where

448
00:27:06,535 --> 00:27:09,535
Speaker 5: all of our insulation is for our wall insulation, and

449
00:27:09,575 --> 00:27:12,215
Speaker 5: that gap all the way around the perimeter of the

450
00:27:12,215 --> 00:27:16,895
Speaker 5: window obviously is almost impossible to insulate. It's very, very

451
00:27:16,895 --> 00:27:19,895
Speaker 5: difficult to insulate that. So the whole move to going,

452
00:27:20,215 --> 00:27:24,975
Speaker 5: let's bring our glazing back in line with the building line,

453
00:27:25,335 --> 00:27:27,655
Speaker 5: so the actual framing and the insulation that goes in it.

454
00:27:28,615 --> 00:27:32,215
Speaker 5: That's a really like it seems like a simple fix.

455
00:27:32,255 --> 00:27:35,055
Speaker 5: It's not always a simple fix, but it makes a

456
00:27:35,175 --> 00:27:39,775
Speaker 5: radical difference to the actual thermal performance of the entire envelope.

457
00:27:39,775 --> 00:27:41,615
Speaker 5: So if you imagine the wall, you know, if you've

458
00:27:41,655 --> 00:27:45,455
Speaker 5: got your windows hanging out from your building line, you've

459
00:27:45,495 --> 00:27:47,375
Speaker 5: got that gap all the way around. So yeah, you've

460
00:27:47,375 --> 00:27:50,695
Speaker 5: put the double glazing in, but the overall effectiveness of

461
00:27:50,735 --> 00:27:53,935
Speaker 5: that wall in terms of its ability to keep you warm,

462
00:27:54,495 --> 00:27:56,895
Speaker 5: is much diminished. So if you again have a look

463
00:27:56,895 --> 00:28:01,495
Speaker 5: at the Stark website, there's recess fitting is really easily

464
00:28:01,535 --> 00:28:04,935
Speaker 5: done on there. You bring the window in and you

465
00:28:05,055 --> 00:28:08,375
Speaker 5: line up that and then it's easy err to insulate

466
00:28:08,415 --> 00:28:11,095
Speaker 5: around the perimeter as well. And I actually saw that

467
00:28:11,215 --> 00:28:15,775
Speaker 5: on a job, a big retrofit job. So nineteen fifty's

468
00:28:15,775 --> 00:28:19,735
Speaker 5: house that the owners have committed themselves to energy efficiency,

469
00:28:20,455 --> 00:28:23,935
Speaker 5: they've taken out all of their old in fact, timber

470
00:28:24,015 --> 00:28:28,655
Speaker 5: joiner excuse me, single glazed, took that out, replaced it

471
00:28:28,695 --> 00:28:32,175
Speaker 5: with the new uPVC joinery, set it back in line,

472
00:28:32,895 --> 00:28:36,575
Speaker 5: well sealed, well insulated around the perimeter. It'll be a

473
00:28:36,695 --> 00:28:38,655
Speaker 5: radically different house to live in the future.

474
00:28:39,495 --> 00:28:43,615
Speaker 6: And then and then can they solve the brick cavity with.

475
00:28:44,655 --> 00:28:46,615
Speaker 5: It's just a flashing hotaiel to bring it out.

476
00:28:47,015 --> 00:28:50,255
Speaker 6: Yeah, so they can do that relatively easy on them,

477
00:28:50,535 --> 00:28:52,495
Speaker 6: retrofit in between the bricks.

478
00:28:52,895 --> 00:28:58,535
Speaker 5: Certainly with this in particularly the Stark system there is

479
00:28:58,655 --> 00:29:01,295
Speaker 5: a flashing suite that goes with it that makes it

480
00:29:01,335 --> 00:29:03,735
Speaker 5: easier to do recess fitting.

481
00:29:03,855 --> 00:29:08,495
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, very good, so check it. Very good.

482
00:29:08,535 --> 00:29:10,855
Speaker 5: Thank you all the very best. You're nice to chat

483
00:29:10,855 --> 00:29:11,975
Speaker 5: and good luck with that project.

484
00:29:12,815 --> 00:29:14,775
Speaker 6: Yep, we'll have a great show and a great talk

485
00:29:14,815 --> 00:29:15,175
Speaker 6: with Chris.

486
00:29:15,535 --> 00:29:17,215
Speaker 5: You're looking forward to it. Thanks mate, all the best,

487
00:29:17,335 --> 00:29:20,015
Speaker 5: Take care. Chris got a couple of really good text

488
00:29:20,095 --> 00:29:24,215
Speaker 5: messages that are coming through as well. Remember once Chris Pink,

489
00:29:24,335 --> 00:29:27,215
Speaker 5: who was the Minister for Building Construction is with us,

490
00:29:27,255 --> 00:29:29,655
Speaker 5: I'm happy to sort of for you to fire through

491
00:29:29,735 --> 00:29:34,135
Speaker 5: questions if there's any particular part of the changes that

492
00:29:34,215 --> 00:29:37,615
Speaker 5: have been proposed that you would like to get, you know,

493
00:29:38,095 --> 00:29:40,495
Speaker 5: to try and be as specific as we can be.

494
00:29:41,015 --> 00:29:42,735
Speaker 5: It was one of the interesting things and sort of

495
00:29:42,855 --> 00:29:44,535
Speaker 5: I spent a bit of time during the week trying

496
00:29:44,575 --> 00:29:48,775
Speaker 5: to look through all of the proposed changes, read press releases,

497
00:29:49,695 --> 00:29:53,175
Speaker 5: and drill down into the detail, because in the end,

498
00:29:53,415 --> 00:29:56,335
Speaker 5: the devil is always in the detail, right, How is

499
00:29:56,335 --> 00:29:59,415
Speaker 5: this actually going to work, which part of which legislation

500
00:29:59,535 --> 00:30:02,575
Speaker 5: works with other pieces of legislation, et cetera, et cetera.

501
00:30:02,655 --> 00:30:05,335
Speaker 5: So if you're interested in it, and we should be

502
00:30:05,335 --> 00:30:08,535
Speaker 5: because it's going to change our built environment. You know,

503
00:30:08,575 --> 00:30:10,455
Speaker 5: try and be as specific as you can with your

504
00:30:10,575 --> 00:30:13,935
Speaker 5: text questions. Right, the lines are open eight hundred eighty

505
00:30:14,015 --> 00:30:18,215
Speaker 5: ten eighty. We want to talk buildings retro fit, we

506
00:30:18,255 --> 00:30:20,615
Speaker 5: want to talk double glazing, we want to talk the

507
00:30:20,695 --> 00:30:24,655
Speaker 5: benefits of Actually this was I'll take a break. I

508
00:30:24,735 --> 00:30:29,175
Speaker 5: had when I was down at Brands. They had what

509
00:30:29,295 --> 00:30:36,055
Speaker 5: looked like a fairly typical, not particularly high standard, you know,

510
00:30:36,095 --> 00:30:39,975
Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty square meter fiber cment board, old

511
00:30:40,015 --> 00:30:43,095
Speaker 5: aluminium jeweery, you know, the sort of typical house that

512
00:30:43,135 --> 00:30:46,375
Speaker 5: you'd see in an average subdivision from forty or fifty

513
00:30:46,455 --> 00:30:48,935
Speaker 5: years ago. And then they were looking at how that

514
00:30:48,975 --> 00:30:50,935
Speaker 5: performs and what they can do to make it a

515
00:30:50,975 --> 00:30:54,815
Speaker 5: better house. And it was full size house was great. Anyway,

516
00:30:54,855 --> 00:30:57,335
Speaker 5: we'll talk a little bit more about that after the break.

517
00:30:57,335 --> 00:30:58,935
Speaker 5: If you'd like to join us, The lines are open.

518
00:30:59,015 --> 00:31:02,335
Speaker 5: The number two call is eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

519
00:31:03,655 --> 00:31:07,535
Speaker 1: Helping you get those DIY projects done right. The resident

520
00:31:07,575 --> 00:31:11,215
Speaker 1: builder with Peta Wolfcare call, Oh, eight hundred eighty Youth

521
00:31:11,295 --> 00:31:13,495
Speaker 1: talksb right.

522
00:31:13,415 --> 00:31:16,655
Speaker 5: Your Own News Talks b and ah. They've turned the

523
00:31:16,695 --> 00:31:20,455
Speaker 5: clock off. That's not terribly helpful. I might have to

524
00:31:20,495 --> 00:31:23,575
Speaker 5: sort that out, which leaves me looking around for the time,

525
00:31:23,615 --> 00:31:26,255
Speaker 5: which is six forty three, So that's time for you

526
00:31:26,295 --> 00:31:28,495
Speaker 5: to call, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, if

527
00:31:28,495 --> 00:31:31,415
Speaker 5: you've got a building question, whether it's sort of that

528
00:31:31,415 --> 00:31:35,535
Speaker 5: that larger scale like what Chris is contemplating of hey,

529
00:31:35,655 --> 00:31:41,095
Speaker 5: joinery has probably reached the end of its serviceable life.

530
00:31:41,215 --> 00:31:45,455
Speaker 5: Obviously in his case it's older aluminium joinery which has

531
00:31:45,455 --> 00:31:48,375
Speaker 5: served him well and probably being quite durable, but probably

532
00:31:48,415 --> 00:31:50,855
Speaker 5: reaching end of life. It's got single glazed and it's

533
00:31:50,895 --> 00:31:53,895
Speaker 5: it's an opportunity to upgrade the date the glazing from

534
00:31:53,935 --> 00:31:57,655
Speaker 5: single glaze to double glaze, and then how it fits

535
00:31:57,655 --> 00:32:00,615
Speaker 5: in it's into breckwork, which is a little sort of

536
00:32:00,735 --> 00:32:04,055
Speaker 5: challenging but sort of not at the same time, and

537
00:32:04,095 --> 00:32:07,975
Speaker 5: then issues with some old building materials around as well,

538
00:32:07,975 --> 00:32:12,215
Speaker 5: which is you know, most likely containing asbestos. So we've

539
00:32:12,215 --> 00:32:14,295
Speaker 5: talked about asbestos a fair amount, and I just want

540
00:32:14,295 --> 00:32:18,855
Speaker 5: to emphasize again but in most cases, left inert and

541
00:32:19,015 --> 00:32:25,615
Speaker 5: on its own, the risk to health is realistically quite low.

542
00:32:26,375 --> 00:32:30,015
Speaker 5: Where the risk occurs is when people don't realize that

543
00:32:30,055 --> 00:32:33,095
Speaker 5: it is asbestos and start you know, using a whole

544
00:32:33,135 --> 00:32:35,975
Speaker 5: saw for example, to cut in a down light or

545
00:32:36,575 --> 00:32:40,055
Speaker 5: add a vent for extraction or something like that. Or

546
00:32:40,495 --> 00:32:43,855
Speaker 5: it starts to de cray and people, you know, start

547
00:32:43,855 --> 00:32:47,735
Speaker 5: breaking pieces off and the fibers become friable, they become airborne,

548
00:32:47,815 --> 00:32:51,735
Speaker 5: and then that's where the potential exposure and the long

549
00:32:51,815 --> 00:32:55,415
Speaker 5: term health damage can occur from there. But you know,

550
00:32:55,615 --> 00:33:00,855
Speaker 5: inert and on its own, it's actually well, it's low risk.

551
00:33:01,015 --> 00:33:02,975
Speaker 5: Let's say that's probably the best way to describe it.

552
00:33:04,055 --> 00:33:06,135
Speaker 5: We'll talk about the house in just a moment. Quick

553
00:33:06,575 --> 00:33:08,375
Speaker 5: text from someone who said, hey, look we're in the

554
00:33:08,375 --> 00:33:11,175
Speaker 5: process of clearing out thirty years of assorted wood from

555
00:33:11,215 --> 00:33:13,935
Speaker 5: underneath the house. I can relate to that. Where is

556
00:33:13,975 --> 00:33:15,975
Speaker 5: the best cheapest place to get rid of it? On

557
00:33:16,015 --> 00:33:17,895
Speaker 5: the north shore? I presume you mean the north shore

558
00:33:17,895 --> 00:33:20,895
Speaker 5: of Auckland. The tip Now this is their words, not mine.

559
00:33:21,175 --> 00:33:23,335
Speaker 5: The tip charge is a fortune to dispose of it,

560
00:33:23,375 --> 00:33:25,615
Speaker 5: and even more to dump it on their woodpile versus

561
00:33:25,615 --> 00:33:31,535
Speaker 5: the general waste exclamation mark from Tony. Yes, tip fees

562
00:33:31,575 --> 00:33:35,775
Speaker 5: are expensive and a lot of that is government increasing

563
00:33:35,895 --> 00:33:40,975
Speaker 5: the waste levee that applies to everyone that brings waste

564
00:33:41,055 --> 00:33:45,015
Speaker 5: into the large landfill sites, and I would imagine part

565
00:33:45,015 --> 00:33:47,455
Speaker 5: of the reason that that waste levee keeps going up

566
00:33:48,295 --> 00:33:51,735
Speaker 5: is because we want to dissuade people from just sending

567
00:33:51,775 --> 00:33:56,015
Speaker 5: everything to landfill, so diversion is key. Hence, I assume

568
00:33:56,055 --> 00:34:00,415
Speaker 5: your reference to a wood pile versus general waste. I

569
00:34:00,495 --> 00:34:03,455
Speaker 5: didn't realize that they would charge you wherever you've been

570
00:34:03,855 --> 00:34:07,655
Speaker 5: to charge more to put it on the woodpile. If

571
00:34:07,695 --> 00:34:11,695
Speaker 5: you feel like a drive down to Devenport, the Resource

572
00:34:11,855 --> 00:34:15,575
Speaker 5: Recovery Center in Devonport, or Resource Recovery Devenport, the Community

573
00:34:15,615 --> 00:34:22,055
Speaker 5: Recycling center there, we'll certainly take your timber. You'll pay

574
00:34:22,215 --> 00:34:25,215
Speaker 5: a fee for it going over the waybridge, but if

575
00:34:25,215 --> 00:34:27,935
Speaker 5: it goes into the timber pile, we certainly I don't

576
00:34:27,935 --> 00:34:30,735
Speaker 5: believe I could check, but I don't believe that we

577
00:34:30,855 --> 00:34:33,575
Speaker 5: charge you more for timber than we would for general waste.

578
00:34:33,655 --> 00:34:35,735
Speaker 5: In fact, if anything, would probably do it the other

579
00:34:35,775 --> 00:34:39,335
Speaker 5: way around. If it's material that can be recycled and

580
00:34:39,375 --> 00:34:44,655
Speaker 5: diverted generally that's at a slightly lower rate. So come

581
00:34:44,695 --> 00:34:48,495
Speaker 5: on down to Devenport, bring us your timber, particularly if

582
00:34:48,535 --> 00:34:53,415
Speaker 5: you've sorted it out, which is great because I think

583
00:34:53,415 --> 00:34:55,815
Speaker 5: we really want to encourage people to do that. You know,

584
00:34:55,855 --> 00:35:00,815
Speaker 5: if you're going to I suppose going to landfill doesn't

585
00:35:00,815 --> 00:35:02,495
Speaker 5: make any difference. But what we've got to do is

586
00:35:02,535 --> 00:35:05,455
Speaker 5: get people not to just think about taking everything to landfill.

587
00:35:06,295 --> 00:35:09,095
Speaker 5: If you're tidying up around the house, think about what

588
00:35:09,295 --> 00:35:12,575
Speaker 5: can be diverted. And then this my own little campaign,

589
00:35:12,655 --> 00:35:14,855
Speaker 5: and we're going to be promoting this at the center soon.

590
00:35:15,295 --> 00:35:18,775
Speaker 5: Is you know, when you arrive at the transfer station,

591
00:35:18,935 --> 00:35:22,295
Speaker 5: if they've got diversion available, and by that I mean

592
00:35:22,615 --> 00:35:25,975
Speaker 5: somewhere for green waste, somewhere for hard fill, somewhere for metal,

593
00:35:26,095 --> 00:35:31,455
Speaker 5: somewhere for timber, somewhere for plastics and polystyrenes and all

594
00:35:31,495 --> 00:35:34,815
Speaker 5: of these things. Pipework, you know, PBC pipework. All of

595
00:35:34,855 --> 00:35:37,935
Speaker 5: these things now are able to be able to either

596
00:35:39,015 --> 00:35:43,655
Speaker 5: be diverted or recycled. So when you arrive, I want

597
00:35:43,695 --> 00:35:46,135
Speaker 5: to encourage people to go on your trailer or in

598
00:35:46,175 --> 00:35:48,695
Speaker 5: the back of the vehicle, have those all in the

599
00:35:48,815 --> 00:35:51,535
Speaker 5: areas that you know collected, right, So put your timber

600
00:35:51,535 --> 00:35:53,335
Speaker 5: on one side, put your hard full on the other side,

601
00:35:53,415 --> 00:35:55,455
Speaker 5: put your green waste in a couple of bags, so

602
00:35:55,495 --> 00:35:57,255
Speaker 5: that when you arrive at the center. You can do

603
00:35:57,335 --> 00:36:00,455
Speaker 5: the diversion a lot easier, RIGHTO. I'm on the ramp

604
00:36:00,495 --> 00:36:02,575
Speaker 5: this morning. Oh eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty. We'll

605
00:36:02,575 --> 00:36:03,735
Speaker 5: talk to DEBI after the break.

606
00:36:05,695 --> 00:36:08,855
Speaker 1: God was but maybe called Pete first vide or gave

607
00:36:09,055 --> 00:36:10,775
Speaker 1: the resident builder news talks.

608
00:36:10,815 --> 00:36:11,175
Speaker 7: They'd be.

609
00:36:12,615 --> 00:36:17,175
Speaker 5: Right ee my turn. Oh eight hundred eighty Debbie, A

610
00:36:17,295 --> 00:36:20,215
Speaker 5: very good morning to you. And I won't forget to

611
00:36:20,295 --> 00:36:23,415
Speaker 5: answer a couple of texts about this disposal of timber

612
00:36:23,535 --> 00:36:25,455
Speaker 5: as well, so we'll come to that in the moment.

613
00:36:25,615 --> 00:36:26,775
Speaker 5: But Debbie, good morning to you.

614
00:36:27,855 --> 00:36:28,415
Speaker 8: Good morning.

615
00:36:28,455 --> 00:36:29,655
Speaker 4: How are you very well?

616
00:36:29,695 --> 00:36:30,415
Speaker 5: Thanks?

617
00:36:31,135 --> 00:36:36,055
Speaker 8: That's good. Hey, I just put your opinion on a

618
00:36:36,095 --> 00:36:41,975
Speaker 8: liquid membrane for your growth. Have you heard anything about

619
00:36:42,455 --> 00:36:44,935
Speaker 8: companies that are offering the water press membrane?

620
00:36:45,975 --> 00:36:52,215
Speaker 5: Yes, yep, yep. I mean there's there's like there's a

621
00:36:52,295 --> 00:36:56,215
Speaker 5: number of different types of products and for different applications.

622
00:36:57,215 --> 00:37:01,295
Speaker 5: So what's the intent of what you might be wanting

623
00:37:01,335 --> 00:37:02,175
Speaker 5: to use that for?

624
00:37:03,975 --> 00:37:08,015
Speaker 8: Well, originally they contact them. I don't know whether you're

625
00:37:08,055 --> 00:37:10,615
Speaker 8: allowed to name companies on here, are you or not.

626
00:37:11,335 --> 00:37:13,615
Speaker 5: I think let's let's just leave it alone for now

627
00:37:14,815 --> 00:37:19,855
Speaker 5: and then just talk generally let's say, okay, cool.

628
00:37:20,255 --> 00:37:22,335
Speaker 8: Like I just don't want to. I want to know

629
00:37:22,415 --> 00:37:27,655
Speaker 8: also whether this is a company that I can trust,

630
00:37:27,695 --> 00:37:30,175
Speaker 8: also because there's quite a few out there, and i

631
00:37:30,215 --> 00:37:32,975
Speaker 8: have read some reviews in this company and I'm not

632
00:37:33,015 --> 00:37:36,055
Speaker 8: sure whether I should put my money in it or

633
00:37:36,095 --> 00:37:40,695
Speaker 8: not that anyway, what I'm trying to achieve is our

634
00:37:40,775 --> 00:37:47,735
Speaker 8: roof and is painting, and we probably needs rescrewing as well.

635
00:37:47,855 --> 00:37:52,695
Speaker 8: We're not quite sure. We think ruth is fine, but

636
00:37:53,535 --> 00:37:56,215
Speaker 8: the proposal I got, the quote I got from them

637
00:37:56,335 --> 00:37:58,695
Speaker 8: was a lot cheaper than actually physically getting someone up

638
00:37:58,695 --> 00:38:03,055
Speaker 8: there to paint it. And they just spray a membrane

639
00:38:03,135 --> 00:38:05,535
Speaker 8: with a tinted color in it. So it's all painted

640
00:38:05,535 --> 00:38:10,455
Speaker 8: and protected for ten years, right, And it's a lot

641
00:38:11,415 --> 00:38:15,375
Speaker 8: getting it painted, Yeah, which.

642
00:38:15,215 --> 00:38:17,135
Speaker 5: Is interesting given that you know, I mean, painting is

643
00:38:17,175 --> 00:38:18,815
Speaker 5: basically the same process, isn't it?

644
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Speaker 8: So look, I guess sorry, they put a polyrisone corect

645
00:38:26,095 --> 00:38:27,415
Speaker 8: liquid membrane on it.

646
00:38:28,575 --> 00:38:34,495
Speaker 5: Right, yep? Okay, what type of roof is it?

647
00:38:34,615 --> 00:38:34,775
Speaker 4: Is it?

648
00:38:34,815 --> 00:38:36,335
Speaker 5: Long run of some description?

649
00:38:37,495 --> 00:38:39,815
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just ten yeah roughly how old?

650
00:38:41,615 --> 00:38:45,335
Speaker 8: Oh gosh, the house is built in this sixties?

651
00:38:46,015 --> 00:38:46,495
Speaker 6: Yeah?

652
00:38:46,375 --> 00:38:50,615
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, so I mean, you know, like in general,

653
00:38:51,415 --> 00:38:54,975
Speaker 5: typically roofs have a bit of a lifespan. Now I've

654
00:38:55,015 --> 00:38:58,615
Speaker 5: pulled off roofs that have been way beyond their lifespan

655
00:38:58,735 --> 00:39:02,055
Speaker 5: in the sense of you know, they there's holes in

656
00:39:02,095 --> 00:39:04,455
Speaker 5: them and the fixings are started to decay and then

657
00:39:04,535 --> 00:39:08,215
Speaker 5: so on, and then they're probably largeted thirty years longer

658
00:39:08,295 --> 00:39:11,055
Speaker 5: than their intended lifespan and so on. But something in

659
00:39:11,095 --> 00:39:16,255
Speaker 5: the nineteen sixties, if it's in reasonable condition, you could

660
00:39:16,255 --> 00:39:19,695
Speaker 5: extend its life a little bit, but in the end,

661
00:39:19,775 --> 00:39:24,455
Speaker 5: the iron will continue to deteriorate at a certain rate. Right,

662
00:39:24,575 --> 00:39:29,455
Speaker 5: So I think, you know, I'd be looking at it

663
00:39:29,615 --> 00:39:33,655
Speaker 5: going no matter what I do, is the iron eventually

664
00:39:33,695 --> 00:39:36,215
Speaker 5: going to reach the end of its life, in which

665
00:39:36,295 --> 00:39:40,975
Speaker 5: case anything that I do is perhaps going to delay

666
00:39:41,015 --> 00:39:43,215
Speaker 5: that a little bit, but it's not going to extend

667
00:39:43,215 --> 00:39:47,255
Speaker 5: its life indefinitely. So I think, you know, getting someone

668
00:39:47,295 --> 00:39:50,655
Speaker 5: on site to look at it physically and give you

669
00:39:50,695 --> 00:39:53,135
Speaker 5: a sort of an independent assessment would be a really

670
00:39:53,175 --> 00:39:57,455
Speaker 5: good idea. My sort of advice around having people do

671
00:39:57,575 --> 00:40:00,175
Speaker 5: roofing workers that you choose someone who's a member of

672
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Speaker 5: the Roofing Association of New Zealand. So if you just

673
00:40:02,895 --> 00:40:06,535
Speaker 5: go and search for Roofing Association of New Zealand. They've

674
00:40:06,535 --> 00:40:11,535
Speaker 5: got an online obviously, they're online, and then you can

675
00:40:11,615 --> 00:40:16,215
Speaker 5: search for contractors that are part of the Roofing Association

676
00:40:16,335 --> 00:40:19,055
Speaker 5: of New Zealand. And I think, and I've said this

677
00:40:19,695 --> 00:40:23,375
Speaker 5: as a general comment about all sort of trade bodies,

678
00:40:23,415 --> 00:40:26,855
Speaker 5: that if people have taken the time to commit themselves

679
00:40:26,855 --> 00:40:30,375
Speaker 5: to an association, it typically means that they're serious about

680
00:40:30,375 --> 00:40:32,935
Speaker 5: their work. So I would sort of encourage you to

681
00:40:33,255 --> 00:40:36,055
Speaker 5: use someone who's a member of the Roofing Association of

682
00:40:36,095 --> 00:40:38,735
Speaker 5: New Zealand. It would be.

683
00:40:41,175 --> 00:40:43,175
Speaker 8: Yeah, I might have to do a bit of research

684
00:40:45,055 --> 00:40:48,335
Speaker 8: they are. What are your thoughts on this liquid membrane?

685
00:40:48,695 --> 00:40:51,055
Speaker 8: Is there any different than painting? Is it?

686
00:40:51,055 --> 00:40:54,895
Speaker 5: It is different than painting? Yeah, it is different than painting.

687
00:40:55,095 --> 00:40:57,735
Speaker 5: And I think, like with all things, you've got to

688
00:40:57,735 --> 00:41:03,015
Speaker 5: be cautious around offering up guarantees and warranties in that way,

689
00:41:03,375 --> 00:41:05,535
Speaker 5: you know, but there is also a place for it.

690
00:41:05,615 --> 00:41:09,335
Speaker 5: And just recently, like within the last two weeks, I

691
00:41:09,415 --> 00:41:12,495
Speaker 5: applied a membrane coating over the top of an old

692
00:41:12,655 --> 00:41:17,055
Speaker 5: existing roof. But it was relatively small area on a

693
00:41:17,095 --> 00:41:20,215
Speaker 5: flat roof that I needed to just extend the life

694
00:41:20,255 --> 00:41:23,215
Speaker 5: of so I think in that sense, I made a

695
00:41:23,255 --> 00:41:26,655
Speaker 5: simple decision that I would use a particular product for that. Debbie,

696
00:41:26,655 --> 00:41:28,855
Speaker 5: I'm going to have to go for the news, sport

697
00:41:28,935 --> 00:41:32,135
Speaker 5: and weather. We'll be back straight after that to keep taking.

698
00:41:31,895 --> 00:41:35,615
Speaker 1: Your calls doing of the house, sorting the garden, asked

699
00:41:35,615 --> 00:41:38,975
Speaker 1: Pete for a hand. The Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcab

700
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Speaker 1: called eight News TALKSB.

701
00:41:43,255 --> 00:41:45,615
Speaker 5: Write your own news TALKSB. If you've got a question

702
00:41:45,735 --> 00:41:47,855
Speaker 5: of a building nature, I'd love to hear from you.

703
00:41:47,895 --> 00:41:50,255
Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

704
00:41:50,295 --> 00:41:52,575
Speaker 5: to call? Good morning. My name's Peak wolf Camp. This

705
00:41:52,775 --> 00:41:56,295
Speaker 5: is the Resident Builder on Sunday show, and we're talking

706
00:41:56,335 --> 00:42:00,375
Speaker 5: all things building construction. Sort of a slight variation to

707
00:42:00,455 --> 00:42:04,215
Speaker 5: the show today is that we have the opportunity to

708
00:42:04,255 --> 00:42:08,895
Speaker 5: spend some time. I have to say in actually, I

709
00:42:08,895 --> 00:42:12,695
Speaker 5: think it's this week marks eleven years of doing the show.

710
00:42:13,735 --> 00:42:15,455
Speaker 5: I was trying to think about it last night, thinking

711
00:42:15,855 --> 00:42:21,415
Speaker 5: it's about like five hundred and fifty shows. I reckon thereabouts.

712
00:42:22,495 --> 00:42:24,855
Speaker 5: So thank you for your patience while I still stuff

713
00:42:24,935 --> 00:42:27,655
Speaker 5: things up after trying to do this five hundred and

714
00:42:27,655 --> 00:42:29,695
Speaker 5: fifty times, and I still crash into the news. I

715
00:42:29,775 --> 00:42:32,975
Speaker 5: need to work on that anyway. I think in all

716
00:42:33,015 --> 00:42:35,055
Speaker 5: of that time, while I've done a couple of interviews

717
00:42:35,415 --> 00:42:39,855
Speaker 5: with various government ministers, first time that any of them

718
00:42:40,175 --> 00:42:43,295
Speaker 5: have sort of said, ah, I'll come to the studio.

719
00:42:43,375 --> 00:42:47,015
Speaker 5: So Chris Pink, we'll be in the studio from around

720
00:42:47,055 --> 00:42:49,775
Speaker 5: seven thirty this morning and we'll stretch that out. We'll

721
00:42:49,775 --> 00:42:53,055
Speaker 5: take that right through to jumping in with through climb

722
00:42:53,095 --> 00:42:55,735
Speaker 5: past at eight thirty, so plenty of time. If you've

723
00:42:55,775 --> 00:42:58,615
Speaker 5: got some texts that you'd like to fire to the minister,

724
00:42:59,335 --> 00:43:01,015
Speaker 5: by all means send those through as well, and there

725
00:43:01,055 --> 00:43:04,215
Speaker 5: might be an opportunity for some phone calls as well.

726
00:43:04,215 --> 00:43:06,735
Speaker 5: But right now we'll continue to talk about all things

727
00:43:06,775 --> 00:43:10,815
Speaker 5: building and construction. I just wanted to just go back

728
00:43:10,815 --> 00:43:12,855
Speaker 5: to the text before the break as well, around the

729
00:43:12,895 --> 00:43:18,255
Speaker 5: timber and disposal of timber. It was one of the

730
00:43:18,255 --> 00:43:21,415
Speaker 5: discussions I had with one of the team at Brands

731
00:43:21,455 --> 00:43:25,015
Speaker 5: when I was down there on Friday, because they have

732
00:43:25,135 --> 00:43:31,575
Speaker 5: actually this is quite cool. They've developed, through the Rebrie system,

733
00:43:32,375 --> 00:43:36,015
Speaker 5: a list of all of the recycling centers so you

734
00:43:36,055 --> 00:43:40,095
Speaker 5: can search right across the country and go I've got X.

735
00:43:40,135 --> 00:43:47,935
Speaker 5: You know timber, concrete, hardfill, metal, PBC, pipe, batteries that

736
00:43:48,015 --> 00:43:51,775
Speaker 5: I want to dispose of in a responsible manner. And

737
00:43:51,815 --> 00:43:55,855
Speaker 5: then by location, it will tell you who is available

738
00:43:55,895 --> 00:43:59,055
Speaker 5: to take that material. So it might be like specialist

739
00:43:59,135 --> 00:44:01,575
Speaker 5: recyclers that only take I met a guy on Wellington

740
00:44:01,655 --> 00:44:04,695
Speaker 5: yes today, who does you know battery recycling out of

741
00:44:04,775 --> 00:44:08,335
Speaker 5: electronic devices? So okay, you've got an old phone or

742
00:44:08,335 --> 00:44:11,135
Speaker 5: an old laptop, you want to dispose of it responsibly,

743
00:44:11,455 --> 00:44:15,175
Speaker 5: you can take it to that particular charity that does

744
00:44:15,215 --> 00:44:17,895
Speaker 5: the recycling. We used to have Abilities group in Auckland.

745
00:44:17,935 --> 00:44:21,975
Speaker 5: Undoubtedly they'll come back. Some local transfer stations will accept

746
00:44:22,055 --> 00:44:24,455
Speaker 5: certain types of material and others. You can find all

747
00:44:24,495 --> 00:44:27,095
Speaker 5: of that now on a brand new website. So that's

748
00:44:27,135 --> 00:44:31,535
Speaker 5: pretty cool. Just with regard to getting in the sense

749
00:44:31,615 --> 00:44:35,975
Speaker 5: disposing of leftover building materials, as in thirty years of

750
00:44:36,015 --> 00:44:38,255
Speaker 5: timber undneath the house, I don't quite have thirty years

751
00:44:38,255 --> 00:44:40,335
Speaker 5: of timber, but I'm getting up to twenty nine years

752
00:44:40,375 --> 00:44:43,335
Speaker 5: of timber stored underneath my house. I look at that,

753
00:44:43,455 --> 00:44:45,495
Speaker 5: and every now and then I go and fossic around

754
00:44:45,575 --> 00:44:47,815
Speaker 5: underneath the house, and I go, do I really need

755
00:44:47,855 --> 00:44:50,495
Speaker 5: that piece of architrave? That little profile that I had

756
00:44:50,535 --> 00:44:52,935
Speaker 5: made fifteen years ago. Do I need to hang on

757
00:44:53,015 --> 00:44:55,495
Speaker 5: to that? Do I really need to keep that piece

758
00:44:56,215 --> 00:44:58,455
Speaker 5: of sacred carity that I've been hanging on to for

759
00:44:58,495 --> 00:45:01,615
Speaker 5: thirty years? That all it's doing now is providing a

760
00:45:01,655 --> 00:45:05,535
Speaker 5: home for borer. So I get exactly where you're coming from.

761
00:45:06,335 --> 00:45:08,455
Speaker 5: Don't make a lot of progress in getting through it.

762
00:45:09,175 --> 00:45:12,255
Speaker 5: And then the moment where you go underneath the house

763
00:45:12,295 --> 00:45:14,855
Speaker 5: and you fossic around, you find just that piece of

764
00:45:14,895 --> 00:45:19,615
Speaker 5: timber that you needed, or more likely you decide that

765
00:45:19,655 --> 00:45:21,215
Speaker 5: you're going to have a big tidy up, You get

766
00:45:21,335 --> 00:45:23,095
Speaker 5: rid of that piece of timber, and then a week

767
00:45:23,215 --> 00:45:25,535
Speaker 5: later you'll need it. In the same way, I tipped

768
00:45:25,535 --> 00:45:29,215
Speaker 5: out a box of assorted hardware and screws and but

769
00:45:29,375 --> 00:45:30,135
Speaker 5: some pieces.

770
00:45:29,855 --> 00:45:30,575
Speaker 4: A little while ago.

771
00:45:31,175 --> 00:45:34,615
Speaker 5: Sure as eggs are eggs, a week later I needed

772
00:45:34,935 --> 00:45:38,735
Speaker 5: that particular screw or washer or fasten or fixing or

773
00:45:39,015 --> 00:45:42,895
Speaker 5: clip or something like that, Which is just me justifying

774
00:45:42,895 --> 00:45:45,015
Speaker 5: to myself that you shouldn't throw anything out, but I

775
00:45:45,695 --> 00:45:47,855
Speaker 5: need to clear up some space. So thirty years of

776
00:45:47,895 --> 00:45:50,855
Speaker 5: timber underneath the house, where do you take it? Find

777
00:45:50,855 --> 00:45:53,455
Speaker 5: a local recycling center who will be able to divert

778
00:45:53,535 --> 00:45:57,655
Speaker 5: that from landfill, and there are a couple of companies

779
00:45:57,695 --> 00:46:02,375
Speaker 5: out there who will also offer that diversion drop a bin,

780
00:46:02,495 --> 00:46:05,935
Speaker 5: so Green Gorilla for example, will do that. Interestingly enough,

781
00:46:06,335 --> 00:46:09,415
Speaker 5: the Devonport Recycling Center now has a been service as well.

782
00:46:09,495 --> 00:46:12,135
Speaker 5: So this I mentioned that because this particular person was

783
00:46:12,135 --> 00:46:17,495
Speaker 5: on the shore and was looking north shore of Auckland right.

784
00:46:17,975 --> 00:46:21,335
Speaker 5: Nineteen eighties house with original single glazed aluminium jowinery and

785
00:46:21,415 --> 00:46:25,375
Speaker 5: remove interior frames. Exterior is five US cement board. We're

786
00:46:25,415 --> 00:46:28,255
Speaker 5: keen to change the color of the aluminium and upgrade

787
00:46:28,255 --> 00:46:30,735
Speaker 5: to double glazing, but I like to keep the remoove

788
00:46:30,775 --> 00:46:36,935
Speaker 5: frames inside. What options do we have? Nineteen eighties single

789
00:46:36,935 --> 00:46:41,375
Speaker 5: glazed aluminium jewinery. You can retrofit double glazing typically to that.

790
00:46:41,815 --> 00:46:46,495
Speaker 5: In some cases they may need to make a new sash,

791
00:46:46,775 --> 00:46:49,855
Speaker 5: in which case it will be a slightly different color,

792
00:46:50,055 --> 00:46:52,975
Speaker 5: just allowing for age to the frame that it might

793
00:46:53,055 --> 00:46:56,615
Speaker 5: sit into, in which case you could go ahead do

794
00:46:56,815 --> 00:47:02,135
Speaker 5: the upgrade, upgrade the joinery or the sashes in some

795
00:47:02,215 --> 00:47:06,615
Speaker 5: cases with new beads and maybe a new actual sash,

796
00:47:07,055 --> 00:47:09,335
Speaker 5: get the double glazing in and then have the whole

797
00:47:09,375 --> 00:47:14,735
Speaker 5: lot brought together by then recoating all of your existing

798
00:47:14,775 --> 00:47:17,775
Speaker 5: aluminium frames, and I'd probably go to someone like Nano

799
00:47:17,855 --> 00:47:21,295
Speaker 5: Clear for that as well, and that'll sort of bring

800
00:47:21,375 --> 00:47:24,335
Speaker 5: everything together, I think, which is a real advantage in there.

801
00:47:25,135 --> 00:47:27,135
Speaker 5: Or your other option is to pull the entire frame

802
00:47:27,175 --> 00:47:30,775
Speaker 5: out and go from there. Hey, Pete, we built one

803
00:47:30,815 --> 00:47:34,535
Speaker 5: hundred and forty square meter shed mentions a brand which

804
00:47:34,575 --> 00:47:36,575
Speaker 5: is about five meters to the apex of the ridge.

805
00:47:36,575 --> 00:47:40,055
Speaker 5: Four years ago they supplied a synthetic white underlay for

806
00:47:40,095 --> 00:47:42,615
Speaker 5: the roof. Can't remember the brand. It's now started to

807
00:47:42,655 --> 00:47:44,935
Speaker 5: disintegrate and rip. Do you know the reason for this?

808
00:47:45,095 --> 00:47:48,815
Speaker 5: And have any people listening had the same problem? What

809
00:47:49,135 --> 00:47:53,215
Speaker 5: I think happens quite a lot, and it sounds odd,

810
00:47:53,415 --> 00:47:56,975
Speaker 5: and I'm sure there's very good reason for it. So,

811
00:47:57,055 --> 00:47:59,135
Speaker 5: for example, if you're doing a car port that is

812
00:47:59,255 --> 00:48:01,575
Speaker 5: open as in it doesn't have any sites, which is

813
00:48:01,935 --> 00:48:04,735
Speaker 5: by its nature the definition of a car port, typically

814
00:48:04,775 --> 00:48:08,215
Speaker 5: we don't put a roofing una underneath it because they

815
00:48:08,255 --> 00:48:11,575
Speaker 5: tend to deteriorate. And if you've done a large shed

816
00:48:11,935 --> 00:48:16,775
Speaker 5: with a roofing underlay, it will probably deteriorate as well,

817
00:48:16,975 --> 00:48:19,655
Speaker 5: and that's why we don't typically tend to do it.

818
00:48:20,895 --> 00:48:23,575
Speaker 5: In terms of fixing it, well, you can try and

819
00:48:23,575 --> 00:48:27,255
Speaker 5: patch it from underneath, but it won't be terribly successful realistically.

820
00:48:27,295 --> 00:48:30,255
Speaker 5: It's kind of like pull the roof off, remove the paper,

821
00:48:30,655 --> 00:48:34,415
Speaker 5: or get another type of roofing underlay that is okay

822
00:48:34,495 --> 00:48:37,135
Speaker 5: to be exposed to the elements. Because think about most

823
00:48:37,175 --> 00:48:41,095
Speaker 5: instances of putting a roofing underlay onto a building. It's

824
00:48:41,335 --> 00:48:45,735
Speaker 5: then in an enclosed space, right, it's in your attic. Effectively,

825
00:48:46,335 --> 00:48:48,895
Speaker 5: it's not exposed to the elements. A shed is, and

826
00:48:49,295 --> 00:48:52,335
Speaker 5: that's very much the problem with that open line. Talk

827
00:48:52,375 --> 00:48:55,255
Speaker 5: back on all things building and construction. Mike, A very

828
00:48:55,255 --> 00:48:56,055
Speaker 5: good morning to you.

829
00:48:56,935 --> 00:49:03,015
Speaker 7: Can I pete Healthy Holmes question. Yeah, picturey eight late

830
00:49:03,055 --> 00:49:07,455
Speaker 7: eighteen hundreds of villa. It was once a converted into

831
00:49:07,495 --> 00:49:10,175
Speaker 7: two flats. Now it has a kitchen that's sort of

832
00:49:10,295 --> 00:49:15,335
Speaker 7: in the middle of the building. And what do we

833
00:49:15,375 --> 00:49:18,575
Speaker 7: do if do we need to do anything for healthy homes?

834
00:49:19,135 --> 00:49:22,335
Speaker 7: I mean the closest exterior wall is about two point

835
00:49:22,335 --> 00:49:25,535
Speaker 7: five meters away from the kitchen.

836
00:49:26,615 --> 00:49:29,775
Speaker 5: So the part of the healthy Homes legislation that would

837
00:49:29,775 --> 00:49:32,615
Speaker 5: impact there is extraction from the kitchen area.

838
00:49:33,335 --> 00:49:36,215
Speaker 7: Extraction. I think you're supposed to have an open window, aren't.

839
00:49:35,975 --> 00:49:40,335
Speaker 5: You no opening window? I don't think for healthy home

840
00:49:40,375 --> 00:49:45,415
Speaker 5: standards will qualify it needs to be extraction. Interestingly enough,

841
00:49:46,375 --> 00:49:49,455
Speaker 5: that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be a range hood.

842
00:49:49,575 --> 00:49:52,655
Speaker 5: So again, in your situation, I'm thinking if the kitchen

843
00:49:52,735 --> 00:49:54,735
Speaker 5: is located kind of in the center of the house

844
00:49:55,655 --> 00:50:00,895
Speaker 5: and the actual cooking top is the range or the

845
00:50:00,935 --> 00:50:04,735
Speaker 5: hobs are not necessarily located near an exterior wall, it

846
00:50:04,775 --> 00:50:07,615
Speaker 5: can be a little bit challenging going from there to

847
00:50:07,695 --> 00:50:11,695
Speaker 5: the exterior. So in that instance, there, I think you

848
00:50:11,735 --> 00:50:15,935
Speaker 5: would get Healthy Home certification or compliance if you were

849
00:50:15,975 --> 00:50:23,335
Speaker 5: to install install simply a through wall extraction in that area. Now,

850
00:50:23,415 --> 00:50:27,175
Speaker 5: and that's pretty straightforward, right, Obviously you've got to get

851
00:50:27,215 --> 00:50:31,175
Speaker 5: power to that location. But you know, if you find

852
00:50:31,215 --> 00:50:34,135
Speaker 5: that you put it in a wall reasonably close to

853
00:50:34,175 --> 00:50:36,415
Speaker 5: an existing power point, you might be able to divert

854
00:50:36,575 --> 00:50:39,455
Speaker 5: or get a cable down to there to then power

855
00:50:39,535 --> 00:50:43,135
Speaker 5: up the extraction. So a through wall kit in the

856
00:50:43,215 --> 00:50:46,975
Speaker 5: kitchen area will be enough to satisfy Healthy Home standards.

857
00:50:47,655 --> 00:50:50,855
Speaker 7: But like we're in the middle of a house, we're

858
00:50:50,895 --> 00:50:53,175
Speaker 7: not anywhere near an exterior.

859
00:50:52,695 --> 00:51:01,535
Speaker 5: Wall, right, what about is it two storied?

860
00:51:03,015 --> 00:51:03,095
Speaker 1: No?

861
00:51:03,655 --> 00:51:05,495
Speaker 7: But if we wanted to go up through the roof,

862
00:51:06,335 --> 00:51:08,015
Speaker 7: it would mean that like if you used a range,

863
00:51:08,015 --> 00:51:10,495
Speaker 7: but you'd be going up three meters to get it

864
00:51:10,535 --> 00:51:11,175
Speaker 7: through the roof.

865
00:51:12,535 --> 00:51:18,215
Speaker 5: Yes, which is challenging but not impossible. I mean, I

866
00:51:18,255 --> 00:51:20,935
Speaker 5: don't think it's ideal, but there are through roofkits or

867
00:51:21,215 --> 00:51:27,695
Speaker 5: more importantly, you could go from the you could go

868
00:51:27,815 --> 00:51:30,655
Speaker 5: from if you can get into the roof right, then

869
00:51:30,695 --> 00:51:32,735
Speaker 5: you can travel through the roof space and out to

870
00:51:32,815 --> 00:51:33,375
Speaker 5: the safite.

871
00:51:33,535 --> 00:51:38,695
Speaker 7: For example, how powerful is a fan to go that far?

872
00:51:38,975 --> 00:51:41,455
Speaker 5: What I would do in that instance is typically there

873
00:51:41,495 --> 00:51:44,735
Speaker 5: there is actually calculations for the type of ducting you

874
00:51:44,775 --> 00:51:47,615
Speaker 5: can use and the size of the fan that you need.

875
00:51:48,055 --> 00:51:51,175
Speaker 5: So you would probably need to go to smooth ducting,

876
00:51:51,255 --> 00:51:54,655
Speaker 5: so a rigid ducting system rather than the flexible stuff.

877
00:51:54,975 --> 00:51:56,735
Speaker 5: And what you might end up doing is putting an

878
00:51:56,775 --> 00:52:00,255
Speaker 5: inline fan or possibly even two fans, so you might

879
00:52:00,295 --> 00:52:03,735
Speaker 5: have one that's close to the cooking area. And then

880
00:52:03,775 --> 00:52:07,295
Speaker 5: if you've got a particularly long run, so anything over

881
00:52:07,335 --> 00:52:12,535
Speaker 5: about six meters is not really going to work right, okay,

882
00:52:13,375 --> 00:52:16,415
Speaker 5: but anything under six meters then you need to account

883
00:52:16,455 --> 00:52:19,255
Speaker 5: for the type of material that you want that air

884
00:52:19,295 --> 00:52:23,575
Speaker 5: to go through. So rigiducting rather than flexible. There's going

885
00:52:23,615 --> 00:52:26,455
Speaker 5: to be the answer there. It's solvable. What it might

886
00:52:26,615 --> 00:52:28,735
Speaker 5: mean is that you need to hunt around and find

887
00:52:30,015 --> 00:52:33,535
Speaker 5: like someone who does extraction as a professional job, right not,

888
00:52:33,695 --> 00:52:36,695
Speaker 5: just have a go day and they'll be able to

889
00:52:36,735 --> 00:52:40,095
Speaker 5: determine the flow. And I'll tell you what's really quite

890
00:52:40,095 --> 00:52:43,375
Speaker 5: interesting is if you are going to get a professional

891
00:52:43,415 --> 00:52:46,095
Speaker 5: to do the extraction for you, and like I say,

892
00:52:46,455 --> 00:52:49,095
Speaker 5: there are people who is this is what they do,

893
00:52:49,175 --> 00:52:53,015
Speaker 5: this is the area of expertise. You can also test it.

894
00:52:53,575 --> 00:52:56,535
Speaker 5: So once it's been installed, you know, it'll say it'll

895
00:52:56,535 --> 00:53:00,295
Speaker 5: have a flow rate of x cubic meters per minute

896
00:53:00,375 --> 00:53:03,855
Speaker 5: or something like that, which is measurable at the outlet.

897
00:53:03,975 --> 00:53:06,975
Speaker 5: So you install the system and then you can test

898
00:53:07,015 --> 00:53:10,815
Speaker 5: it with an animometer, which basically measures wind speed at

899
00:53:10,855 --> 00:53:13,375
Speaker 5: the outlet. And that's quite interesting to do as well.

900
00:53:14,095 --> 00:53:16,575
Speaker 5: And I've even done it sort of slightly more ad

901
00:53:16,615 --> 00:53:19,975
Speaker 5: hoc than that, where I bought some smoke matches the

902
00:53:20,055 --> 00:53:25,175
Speaker 5: other day, so specifically designed for testing airflow or for

903
00:53:25,255 --> 00:53:27,895
Speaker 5: looking for drafts and that sort of thing. So installed

904
00:53:27,935 --> 00:53:33,015
Speaker 5: some extraction lit the smoke match where the extraction is

905
00:53:33,055 --> 00:53:36,615
Speaker 5: designed to start sucking from and then see if it

906
00:53:36,695 --> 00:53:40,495
Speaker 5: comes out my vent at the other side. Oh okay, yeah,

907
00:53:40,575 --> 00:53:42,935
Speaker 5: so there are ways of testing it. You know, this

908
00:53:43,415 --> 00:53:48,415
Speaker 5: stuff is science, right, you know. And so people tend

909
00:53:48,455 --> 00:53:52,135
Speaker 5: to install extraction and they crush it and they send

910
00:53:52,175 --> 00:53:56,135
Speaker 5: it through some sort of Gandalf's Quest for Middle Earth

911
00:53:56,215 --> 00:53:58,895
Speaker 5: or something like that goes up and down and around

912
00:53:58,935 --> 00:54:00,615
Speaker 5: and back, and they squish it a little bit and

913
00:54:00,655 --> 00:54:03,615
Speaker 5: then they poke it outside and hope that air actually

914
00:54:03,615 --> 00:54:07,175
Speaker 5: gets out of the end. That's not how extrac works, right,

915
00:54:07,415 --> 00:54:10,735
Speaker 5: you know, straight runs, smooth runs, that's what's going to

916
00:54:10,735 --> 00:54:11,855
Speaker 5: give you a really good result.

917
00:54:12,495 --> 00:54:15,455
Speaker 7: So I just want to step back. It doesn't have

918
00:54:15,535 --> 00:54:17,175
Speaker 7: to be a range should It can just be a

919
00:54:17,215 --> 00:54:19,055
Speaker 7: fan to get the area out of there.

920
00:54:18,975 --> 00:54:22,015
Speaker 5: In terms of compliance with the Healthy Home regulation. Yeah,

921
00:54:22,015 --> 00:54:26,615
Speaker 5: you're right, it just needs to be extraction from that space.

922
00:54:26,735 --> 00:54:28,175
Speaker 5: Doesn't have to be a range hood.

923
00:54:28,775 --> 00:54:31,695
Speaker 7: Okay, all right, hopefully that helps.

924
00:54:31,655 --> 00:54:31,935
Speaker 6: I think.

925
00:54:32,495 --> 00:54:34,495
Speaker 7: Okay, great, all.

926
00:54:34,415 --> 00:54:37,295
Speaker 5: The very best. You might take care of you and

927
00:54:37,375 --> 00:54:39,495
Speaker 5: Newstalk ce B. If you've got a question of a building,

928
00:54:39,655 --> 00:54:42,215
Speaker 5: Nature will take your calls. Eight hundred and eighty ten

929
00:54:42,335 --> 00:54:45,535
Speaker 5: eighty is that number to call, feel through, to text

930
00:54:45,655 --> 00:54:49,455
Speaker 5: them through as well, quick text before the break. We've

931
00:54:49,495 --> 00:54:52,575
Speaker 5: got a nineteen eighties house with a steep concrete tile roof.

932
00:54:52,895 --> 00:54:55,575
Speaker 5: We're going to improve the insallation. I wonder if it's

933
00:54:55,575 --> 00:54:59,175
Speaker 5: a good idea to put some sort of barrier behind

934
00:54:59,375 --> 00:55:02,295
Speaker 5: the concrete tiles right now. If they leaked, the water

935
00:55:02,335 --> 00:55:06,255
Speaker 5: would go onto the insulation. In terms of code compl

936
00:55:06,295 --> 00:55:10,015
Speaker 5: clients the like. If it's a steep concrete tile roof,

937
00:55:10,455 --> 00:55:14,095
Speaker 5: even today, it doesn't require a membrane underneath it. So

938
00:55:14,655 --> 00:55:18,575
Speaker 5: concrete roofs over I think it's fifteen degrees don't have

939
00:55:18,695 --> 00:55:21,855
Speaker 5: a requirement for a vapor barrier or a roofing underlay

940
00:55:22,215 --> 00:55:25,375
Speaker 5: at all. Would there be an advantage to putting one on, Yes,

941
00:55:25,615 --> 00:55:29,295
Speaker 5: there probably is, But in order to do that, you'd

942
00:55:29,335 --> 00:55:31,975
Speaker 5: need to take the tiles off as well as taking

943
00:55:32,055 --> 00:55:35,055
Speaker 5: the batons off in order to have a continuous layer

944
00:55:35,495 --> 00:55:38,055
Speaker 5: of a roofing underlay, and chances are you not going

945
00:55:38,135 --> 00:55:40,615
Speaker 5: to do that. Is there an advantage to going in

946
00:55:40,735 --> 00:55:44,415
Speaker 5: and stapling it to the underside of the batons that

947
00:55:44,575 --> 00:55:48,655
Speaker 5: support the roof, Yes, you can do it. It's it

948
00:55:48,855 --> 00:55:52,175
Speaker 5: will give you a benefit, but of course there will

949
00:55:52,215 --> 00:55:56,135
Speaker 5: still be gaps and so on, and water might it's

950
00:55:56,255 --> 00:55:58,695
Speaker 5: actually going to be very little water that's underneath those

951
00:55:58,775 --> 00:56:06,375
Speaker 5: roof tiles. There are more extensive remedial situation remedial of

952
00:56:06,495 --> 00:56:08,735
Speaker 5: this is that you can do as well in terms of,

953
00:56:09,015 --> 00:56:11,335
Speaker 5: you know, taking all of that off, maybe sheathing the

954
00:56:11,415 --> 00:56:14,135
Speaker 5: roof and then putting the concrete tiles back on. We

955
00:56:14,215 --> 00:56:15,815
Speaker 5: can discuss that as well. If you want to give

956
00:56:15,815 --> 00:56:17,575
Speaker 5: me a call, oh eight hundred and eighty teen eighty

957
00:56:17,615 --> 00:56:19,175
Speaker 5: back after the break with Howard.

958
00:56:19,095 --> 00:56:21,975
Speaker 1: Whether you're paty with ceiling, fixing with fits or wondering

959
00:56:22,055 --> 00:56:24,095
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall, give Peter

960
00:56:24,215 --> 00:56:25,255
Speaker 1: wolf Caper call on.

961
00:56:26,895 --> 00:56:30,375
Speaker 4: Eighty the resident builder on Youth dogs'd be you and

962
00:56:30,415 --> 00:56:30,815
Speaker 4: New Talks.

963
00:56:30,855 --> 00:56:34,175
Speaker 5: It'd be coming up twenty four minutes after seven and

964
00:56:34,895 --> 00:56:36,735
Speaker 5: Howard talk to me about your roof.

965
00:56:37,695 --> 00:56:39,615
Speaker 9: Oh look, just a quickie. You'll have to give me

966
00:56:40,095 --> 00:56:42,095
Speaker 9: the first part of the show. But just listening to

967
00:56:42,095 --> 00:56:44,855
Speaker 9: you're talking about with it lining paper in the older

968
00:56:45,015 --> 00:56:48,215
Speaker 9: expior sheds and garages. I've got one of those wonderful

969
00:56:48,335 --> 00:56:52,895
Speaker 9: probably built late eighties early nineties metal double garages, and

970
00:56:53,135 --> 00:56:55,855
Speaker 9: the lining paper on the roof is literally to the

971
00:56:55,895 --> 00:56:58,375
Speaker 9: point of disintegration. It's one of the ones, you know,

972
00:56:58,455 --> 00:56:59,975
Speaker 9: the old yellow strings of trying to.

973
00:57:00,375 --> 00:57:00,695
Speaker 4: Hold it.

974
00:57:02,255 --> 00:57:06,655
Speaker 9: Wine. Yeah, the query is really the only way either

975
00:57:06,735 --> 00:57:08,375
Speaker 9: the scene of doing it is to completely remove the

976
00:57:08,455 --> 00:57:10,215
Speaker 9: roof and try and do the runs again. Is it

977
00:57:10,295 --> 00:57:13,015
Speaker 9: actually essential to even have in there? Or am I

978
00:57:13,095 --> 00:57:16,735
Speaker 9: making myself a monster job? Apologize if you've already covered this.

979
00:57:17,055 --> 00:57:17,415
Speaker 4: No, no, no.

980
00:57:17,495 --> 00:57:19,895
Speaker 5: I think it's a really good question. And it is

981
00:57:19,975 --> 00:57:24,055
Speaker 5: a little bit unusual to see roofing underlay decay in

982
00:57:24,175 --> 00:57:27,295
Speaker 5: an enclosed space, like it's not uncommon to see it.

983
00:57:27,815 --> 00:57:31,215
Speaker 5: Let's say, you know, with an exposed car port, right

984
00:57:32,215 --> 00:57:36,455
Speaker 5: roofing underlays, particularly older ones. I think that new roofing underlays,

985
00:57:36,495 --> 00:57:39,415
Speaker 5: if you look at the technology that goes into their manufacture,

986
00:57:39,935 --> 00:57:43,295
Speaker 5: probably will be more durable, and in fact, you might

987
00:57:43,335 --> 00:57:45,735
Speaker 5: be able to find a very specific type of roofing

988
00:57:45,815 --> 00:57:51,375
Speaker 5: underlay that's designed for exposure, let's say. But in terms

989
00:57:51,415 --> 00:57:54,575
Speaker 5: of the usefulness of it, yes, it does make a

990
00:57:54,695 --> 00:57:59,175
Speaker 5: significant difference to have roofing underlay under metal roofing. So

991
00:57:59,415 --> 00:58:03,655
Speaker 5: typically what happens is you will get condensation underneath, you know,

992
00:58:03,775 --> 00:58:06,935
Speaker 5: whether it's any type of long run that sort of thing,

993
00:58:07,215 --> 00:58:11,215
Speaker 5: no matter what the profile, and realistically almost no matter

994
00:58:11,335 --> 00:58:13,855
Speaker 5: what the pitch is. And so the idea of the

995
00:58:13,975 --> 00:58:17,255
Speaker 5: roofing underlay is that it collects that condensation that can

996
00:58:17,455 --> 00:58:20,455
Speaker 5: form on the underside of the iron and it directs

997
00:58:20,495 --> 00:58:25,855
Speaker 5: it down. So the roofing underlay should extend out over

998
00:58:26,495 --> 00:58:30,255
Speaker 5: the facierboard, and ideally it should hang out just far

999
00:58:30,455 --> 00:58:33,615
Speaker 5: enough so that it drops any condensate into the spouting.

1000
00:58:34,775 --> 00:58:37,375
Speaker 5: You know, if it doesn't quite get to the spouting,

1001
00:58:37,855 --> 00:58:41,735
Speaker 5: at least it's getting outside of the building envelope. So

1002
00:58:42,375 --> 00:58:46,735
Speaker 5: in urine instance, I mean, look, the best practice would

1003
00:58:46,735 --> 00:58:50,455
Speaker 5: be take the roof off, replace the roofing underlay, put

1004
00:58:50,495 --> 00:58:53,335
Speaker 5: the roof back on. And if it's a small garage,

1005
00:58:53,455 --> 00:58:56,935
Speaker 5: and if the roof, you know, if the fixings with

1006
00:58:57,015 --> 00:59:00,175
Speaker 5: screws right, I'd say that would be what I would do,

1007
00:59:00,455 --> 00:59:02,455
Speaker 5: is back the screw out, take the sheet off, put

1008
00:59:02,455 --> 00:59:04,855
Speaker 5: the building paper on. You could carefully work your way

1009
00:59:04,895 --> 00:59:07,775
Speaker 5: across the roof in sections, running you know, from the

1010
00:59:07,895 --> 00:59:10,215
Speaker 5: ridge line down to the gutter line, that sort of thing.

1011
00:59:10,935 --> 00:59:13,775
Speaker 5: If it's nails, it's a little trickier because you can

1012
00:59:13,855 --> 00:59:16,295
Speaker 5: potentially cause damage to the roofing iron when you take

1013
00:59:16,295 --> 00:59:20,815
Speaker 5: the nails out, but still durable and again a garage,

1014
00:59:21,335 --> 00:59:25,575
Speaker 5: you know, low risk, probably not terribly high, all of

1015
00:59:25,615 --> 00:59:28,215
Speaker 5: those sorts of things. You could probably safely manage all

1016
00:59:28,255 --> 00:59:31,295
Speaker 5: of the risks there and replace the roofing paper. But yes,

1017
00:59:31,375 --> 00:59:33,935
Speaker 5: it is doing something. I speak in a sense from

1018
00:59:33,975 --> 00:59:38,855
Speaker 5: personal experience. My shed is quite old, nineteen fifties. It's

1019
00:59:38,895 --> 00:59:41,255
Speaker 5: got a very flat roof, it's got corrugated on it.

1020
00:59:41,695 --> 00:59:44,775
Speaker 5: In winter, my workbench is just it looks like it's

1021
00:59:44,815 --> 00:59:47,815
Speaker 5: been raining. Right, So because I no one ever put

1022
00:59:47,895 --> 00:59:51,615
Speaker 5: roofing underlay in there, I've delayed doing it because I

1023
00:59:51,735 --> 00:59:54,255
Speaker 5: keep thinking I'm going to build myself a brand new garage,

1024
00:59:54,295 --> 00:59:56,975
Speaker 5: but I haven't got round to that. So but yeah,

1025
00:59:57,135 --> 00:59:58,895
Speaker 5: roofing paper makes a big difference.

1026
00:59:59,535 --> 01:00:01,815
Speaker 9: Actually make that that's fine. Not so it's probably been

1027
01:00:01,895 --> 01:00:03,895
Speaker 9: up there fifty years at least. I don't not sure

1028
01:00:03,935 --> 01:00:06,895
Speaker 9: how it's supposed to last. And there's also in central

1029
01:00:06,895 --> 01:00:08,375
Speaker 9: of targets is huge.

1030
01:00:10,015 --> 01:00:10,575
Speaker 6: That go with it.

1031
01:00:10,695 --> 01:00:13,095
Speaker 9: But yeah, it sounds like the logical thing to do

1032
01:00:13,335 --> 01:00:16,455
Speaker 9: is really bite the bullet section bisection. And obviously the

1033
01:00:16,495 --> 01:00:20,135
Speaker 9: paper's always run horizontally sort of overlap in from the top.

1034
01:00:22,015 --> 01:00:25,015
Speaker 5: I mean, if if, for example, let's say it's safer

1035
01:00:25,095 --> 01:00:26,935
Speaker 5: for you to take a couple of sheets off and

1036
01:00:27,095 --> 01:00:31,215
Speaker 5: then replace the building paper, then run it from top

1037
01:00:31,255 --> 01:00:34,375
Speaker 5: to bottom, let's say, and just make sure that you've

1038
01:00:34,375 --> 01:00:36,335
Speaker 5: got a hunt at least one hundred and fifty. Or

1039
01:00:36,575 --> 01:00:38,575
Speaker 5: you could get a roofing underlay that allows you to

1040
01:00:38,615 --> 01:00:40,775
Speaker 5: put a tape over it, in which case you do

1041
01:00:40,895 --> 01:00:42,975
Speaker 5: the lap and then tape the join so you don't

1042
01:00:43,015 --> 01:00:45,215
Speaker 5: get water that tracks underneath on its way down.

1043
01:00:46,135 --> 01:00:48,295
Speaker 9: Right, So it's not not essential as to whether or

1044
01:00:48,335 --> 01:00:50,495
Speaker 9: not you run it sort of horizontal or vertical.

1045
01:00:51,535 --> 01:00:55,015
Speaker 5: Well, horizontal across the sheet allows for the lap to

1046
01:00:55,215 --> 01:00:57,815
Speaker 5: ensure that water doesn't track. You know, water is not

1047
01:00:57,895 --> 01:01:01,255
Speaker 5: going to go uphill right in most instances. But theoretically,

1048
01:01:01,455 --> 01:01:04,055
Speaker 5: if water is traveling down the sheet and all you've

1049
01:01:04,055 --> 01:01:06,815
Speaker 5: got is a lap, it could get underneath the sheet

1050
01:01:06,935 --> 01:01:09,775
Speaker 5: and still drop into the building. So and that's but look,

1051
01:01:10,095 --> 01:01:13,255
Speaker 5: you see plenty of reroofs where they're going vertically, let's say,

1052
01:01:14,215 --> 01:01:16,375
Speaker 5: and just I would just make that lap a little

1053
01:01:16,375 --> 01:01:16,775
Speaker 5: bit bigger.

1054
01:01:17,695 --> 01:01:19,895
Speaker 9: Now, hey, that's fantastic pleasure. That's fine. I think I

1055
01:01:19,935 --> 01:01:21,375
Speaker 9: need to make make sure it wait till it's not

1056
01:01:21,455 --> 01:01:23,575
Speaker 9: a wendy day and get up there and get cracking,

1057
01:01:23,615 --> 01:01:25,415
Speaker 9: but really appreciate you squeezing me in this morning.

1058
01:01:25,455 --> 01:01:27,535
Speaker 5: Takes pleasure all the very besty. How I take care

1059
01:01:27,535 --> 01:01:31,975
Speaker 5: of your news stalk ceed be open line, well, actually

1060
01:01:32,135 --> 01:01:34,415
Speaker 5: open line on any questions that you would like to

1061
01:01:34,455 --> 01:01:36,975
Speaker 5: put to the minister. So I'm going to take short break.

1062
01:01:37,055 --> 01:01:39,775
Speaker 5: We're going to bring the Minister for Building and Construction,

1063
01:01:39,895 --> 01:01:42,175
Speaker 5: Chris Pink into the studio. I'm going to have a

1064
01:01:42,215 --> 01:01:43,775
Speaker 5: bit of a chat with him. I've already got a

1065
01:01:43,855 --> 01:01:47,055
Speaker 5: long list of questions. If you've got any specific questions

1066
01:01:47,175 --> 01:01:51,495
Speaker 5: about a large number of proposals that are out there

1067
01:01:51,975 --> 01:01:56,735
Speaker 5: around regulation, self certification, granny flats, changes to h one,

1068
01:01:57,175 --> 01:01:59,615
Speaker 5: all of these things we can talk about. We're going

1069
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Speaker 5: to take short break. After the break, the Minister Chris

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Speaker 5: Pink will join me in the studio.

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Speaker 4: Squeaky door, more squeaky floor.

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Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder

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Speaker 1: on News TALKSB.

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Speaker 5: I do radio so News Talk SB and this morning

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Speaker 5: on the program a little bit of a diversion from

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Speaker 5: what we would normally do in the sense that it

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Speaker 5: is it's actually genuinely my great pleasure to welcome into

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Speaker 5: the studio the Minister for Building and Construction, Chris Pink

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Speaker 5: Welcome and thank you very much for joining us well

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Speaker 5: in Pepe.

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Speaker 10: Thanks very much into all your listeners. I've delighted to

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Speaker 10: be here with the Oracles now.

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Speaker 5: Yes, look it's a massive portfolio. I know we've had

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Speaker 5: a chance to chat at various events and that sort

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Speaker 5: of thing, but you know now that we're what not

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Speaker 5: quite two years, eighteen months sort of thing feed under

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Speaker 5: the desk in general, how are you finding the role,

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Speaker 5: what's your engagement with the sector? Just some general comments.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well I really love the role. I think building

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Speaker 10: a construction is so important and of course the usual

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Speaker 10: stats to real off go to the number of people

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Speaker 10: employed contribution to GDP and everyone understands that their importance,

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Speaker 10: but particularly actually in a time where people have been

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Speaker 10: doing it really tough in the sector. Sure, but if

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Speaker 10: you start thinking about the impact that this has on

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Speaker 10: people's lives, you know, to have good quality, affordable sustainable

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Speaker 10: homes and the implications for kiwis and families and their

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Speaker 10: ability to live well in a community. It's just really

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Speaker 10: quite a big pressure and responsibility at a straight pleasure too,

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Speaker 10: but you realize how stakes, how high the stakes are

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Speaker 10: when you start thinking about all that in the big picture.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think sort of, you know, part of

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Speaker 5: I suppose what drives me in a sense is that

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Speaker 5: you're right. Housing is it the key to almost everything

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Speaker 5: you know, housing stability, housing affordability, housing quality, quality in

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Speaker 5: terms of its impact on health and so on. So

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Speaker 5: already we've got a couple of texts coming in on

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Speaker 5: things like healthy home, someone calling it a wrought will.

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Speaker 5: We'll deal with that in the moment. What I'd like

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Speaker 5: to do is just go through I guess a couple

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Speaker 5: of things that have been key innouncements in terms of

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Speaker 5: changes that the ministry that you've proposed. So probably the

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Speaker 5: one that got the most headlines a little while ago

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Speaker 5: is hey, H one might have been too much. So

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Speaker 5: there's been a lot of consultation. I've been really really

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Speaker 5: impressed at the level of dialogue, like the public discourse

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Speaker 5: and the discussion around you know, the proposal was, or

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Speaker 5: the comment I think that you made was, hey, look,

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Speaker 5: we've been told that we can say fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 5: off the cost of a new build if we step

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Speaker 5: back from H one. Changes that came in in November

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Speaker 5: of twenty twenty three, there's been some consultation. Where are

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Speaker 5: we at with that particular issue right now?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I think we're quite close to being able

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Speaker 10: to land something in that space. And I say we

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Speaker 10: it's actually technically it's mb Ministry of Building, Innovation, Employment,

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Speaker 10: which is the relevant government agency in the Chief Executive

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Speaker 10: is the person who in that legislation actually gets to

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Speaker 10: make the course. So it's not me, but certainly I

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Speaker 10: made my view quite clear early on, having heard from

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Speaker 10: a large number of builders that huge amount of additional

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Speaker 10: cost was being added. But nevertheless, hearing as part of

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Speaker 10: that great dialogue that you've mentioned that actually it shouldn't

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Speaker 10: be the case that there's such a large amount of

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Speaker 10: extra cost, I thought, well, we've got to get to

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Speaker 10: the bottom of this, and I think we're pretty close,

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Speaker 10: as in literally within a few weeks, maybe a couple

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Speaker 10: of months from having an answer to that. And like

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Speaker 10: I say, it's not for me to decide, but it

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Speaker 10: does seem to me that if we can end up

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Speaker 10: with a more nuanced calculation, and actually the methods that

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Speaker 10: are known as calculation and modeling already sit within that

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Speaker 10: that chapter of the code will probably be more appropriate

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Speaker 10: than what's currently there around well, what's known as the

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Speaker 10: schedule method, where it's very prescriptive. So if I had

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Speaker 10: to make an educated guest, I say, would probably end

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Speaker 10: up with more of the calculation modeling and less of

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Speaker 10: that prescriptive blunt instrument where by people end up adding

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Speaker 10: you know, literally extra layers, including in parts of MW

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Speaker 10: Zealand where that's not needed.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So will, again making an educated guess, will the

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Speaker 5: schedule method remain or I wouldn't bet on it. I

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Speaker 5: would put my hand up and say we should just

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Speaker 5: get rid of it, right, might well be the outcome? Okay,

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Speaker 5: all right, that's pretty cool, actually, Okay. The other big

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Speaker 5: challenge that you seem to have identified is the whole

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Speaker 5: consenting process, how long it takes to get a building

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Speaker 5: consent through the complexity, the seemingly disjointedness between various territorial authorities.

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Speaker 5: So territorial authorities typically act as a building consent authority,

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Speaker 5: but they are now no longer the only ones, so

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Speaker 5: we're seeing some movement in that space. I think you've

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Speaker 5: been quite strong in terms of saying to councils it's

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Speaker 5: taking too long. Have you had pushback from councils.

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Speaker 10: Well, I suppose I have. I've had discussions the whole

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Speaker 10: way through with councils and also with the building officials

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Speaker 10: Institute news. Yes, and they say to me, oh, well,

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Speaker 10: you've got to be careful, Chris, because actually the reason

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Speaker 10: that it takes a long time is because we've got

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Speaker 10: a lot of onerous requirements on us, including the accreditation

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Speaker 10: they have every couple of years, the joint in several liability,

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Speaker 10: which is to say that you know that the sort

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Speaker 10: of democrat hangs over them if something goes wrong with

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Speaker 10: an individual building or of course heaven forbid at a

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Speaker 10: system level, you know, and cert reference to leaky holmes here,

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Speaker 10: then you know, then that's on us in our rate pays.

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Speaker 10: And of course they're absolutely right, and it's never been

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Speaker 10: my position that we need to be critical in a

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Speaker 10: way that's unfair when when it is taking too long

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Speaker 10: for people to get consents and there are inconsistencies, that's

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Speaker 10: a matter of saying, well, look there's a problem here.

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Speaker 10: It's not about sort of ascribing blame except to say

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Speaker 10: that the system needs to be reformed. So when we

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Speaker 10: have that discussion, it's all very you know, we're in

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Speaker 10: violent agreement. Really, I think everyone does need to change.

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Speaker 10: We can probably do things better, and there's a couple

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Speaker 10: of ways we can look at doing that, which happy

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Speaker 10: to get into if you want to on the Sharlot

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Speaker 10: terms to where that liability sits.

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Speaker 9: For us Dart.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Look, I think that is a really really important discussion

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Speaker 5: because it seems to be at the nub of the problem. Right. So,

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Speaker 5: as a ratepayer, as a rate payer in Auckland, right,

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Speaker 5: and we know that Auckland Council has paid out hundreds

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Speaker 5: of millions, possibly billions of dollars in claims for leaky

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Speaker 5: buildings because their last man standing to use commpilance. So

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Speaker 5: as a ratepayer, I want my counsel to be super

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Speaker 5: super cautious around processing building consents. As someone who might

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Speaker 5: submit a building consent and wants to start building, I

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Speaker 5: want them to do it in twenty days. Right. So

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Speaker 5: one of the things that I think has come out

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Speaker 5: of this is you've asked them to provide data as

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Speaker 5: to how long it takes to process a consent. Again,

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Speaker 5: the response from councils have they seen that as sort

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Speaker 5: of unnecessary interference or welcome?

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Speaker 10: No, they've really welcome to. Honestly, it's been really heartening

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Speaker 10: and in fact, just going back to your original question

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Speaker 10: about how I've found the role, I've been really impressed

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Speaker 10: and grateful how engaging everyone has been, including from the coussels.

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Speaker 10: And you know, often I will say things like, you know,

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Speaker 10: in the public domain or in a small meeting format,

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Speaker 10: that I'd be really keen to know how we can

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Speaker 10: have the resources of the system better applied to those

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Speaker 10: that actually need more scrutiny, you know, that sort of

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Speaker 10: self certification of idea, and councilors will often volunteer to me, Oh,

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Speaker 10: we're doing a version of that already, we've got a

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Speaker 10: trusted partner program, or you know, this is how we

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Speaker 10: sort of differentiate. So actually, some of them are already

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Speaker 10: doing the great job. And I think if we can

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Speaker 10: take the lessons from the ones that are genuinely doing

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Speaker 10: really well in all those kinds of ways and apply

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Speaker 10: them across the board, then we'll have the opportunity to

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Speaker 10: learn from best practice, but also you know, remove that

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Speaker 10: in consistency where people are looking to build across the

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Speaker 10: country and getting frustrated because the rules seem to differ,

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Speaker 10: or rather the interpretation of the rules seems to differ

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Speaker 10: according to which side of a council boundary they happen

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Speaker 10: to be building.

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Speaker 5: Up, because in the end there's only one building code exactly.

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Speaker 10: You're always saying, of course, you're right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, okay, just on the consenting because I think,

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Speaker 5: you know, to be fair to councils again, I would

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Speaker 5: imagine that some of what they get in terms of

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Speaker 5: building consent submissions are actually of poor quality, and it's

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Speaker 5: not surprising that they have to ask rofis do you

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Speaker 5: see any role for AI in this, Like, you know,

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Speaker 5: one of the things that's been talked about as a

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Speaker 5: central portal for all building consents to be lodged, would

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Speaker 5: there be a role for AI to sort of scan

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Speaker 5: consents and find those defects?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think quite possibly. I think I would be

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Speaker 10: nervous at this stage mid twenty twenty five, but who knows.

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01:10:22,335 --> 01:10:25,255
Speaker 10: In a few years even from now, maybe that will

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Speaker 10: change about a system where we relied so heavily on

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Speaker 10: technology that we were approving on the basis only of AI.

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Speaker 10: Now you might have listeners right now who think I'm

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Speaker 10: naiven and that actually that technology as possible or ready

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01:10:38,015 --> 01:10:39,975
Speaker 10: to rely upon. Sure, but I think soon that you

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Speaker 10: could do it. In the negative, you could certainly have

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Speaker 10: triaging by way of AI where it was identified that

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Speaker 10: there was a shortfall. And actually, anecdotally at least often

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01:10:49,135 --> 01:10:51,175
Speaker 10: counselors will say to me or the reason that we

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Speaker 10: reject an application or ask for more information is because

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Speaker 10: some of it's just lacking, not even that they're proposing

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Speaker 10: something that's not in accordance with the building Code, it's

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Speaker 10: just not there. And if that could be done on

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Speaker 10: day one, not day nineteen or twenty of an application

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Speaker 10: being made, if one will be better off. And of

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Speaker 10: course then the piece that goes alongside that is that

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Speaker 10: we've also need to have, you know, due regard to

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Speaker 10: the consequences for people who do you know, submit poor

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01:11:18,815 --> 01:11:21,455
Speaker 10: quality applications, because of course that's not doing any favors

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Speaker 10: to the rest of the sector who are patiently waiting

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01:11:24,015 --> 01:11:26,095
Speaker 10: for their own application to be seen, and of course

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01:11:26,215 --> 01:11:28,175
Speaker 10: again not fair on council to be used as a

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Speaker 10: first resort quality assurance. It should be, you know, it

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01:11:30,535 --> 01:11:33,935
Speaker 10: should be a final check, you know, with all the

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Speaker 10: care intention having been applied to the question before that time.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So, as a as a builder, I've got my

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Speaker 5: building consent, I'm underway with the construction, I ring counsel

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Speaker 5: to book and inspection, and it varies from week to week,

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Speaker 5: months to month, year to year. A little while ago,

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Speaker 5: you could be waiting three weeks for a building inspection.

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Speaker 5: One of the announcements that you made was that we

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Speaker 5: want to see remote inspections as the default.

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Speaker 10: Is that still your thinking, Well, we've consulted on the

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Speaker 10: basis that it does take too long in many cases,

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Speaker 10: and certainly it's quite variable the amount of time that

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Speaker 10: it takes for people to get it an inspection, So

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Speaker 10: that was always the aim. It seemed to me that

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Speaker 10: with some councils using remote visual inspections really well and

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01:12:19,535 --> 01:12:23,055
Speaker 10: quite prominently within their systems, but others not at all,

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01:12:23,175 --> 01:12:25,495
Speaker 10: that seemed to me an obvious opportunity to lift the

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01:12:25,535 --> 01:12:28,455
Speaker 10: game across the board. However, having consulted on that and

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01:12:29,015 --> 01:12:34,975
Speaker 10: heard that it would be complicated and are necessarily prescriptive

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Speaker 10: to say these are the ones that you must have

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Speaker 10: as in person physical and other ones can be so

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01:12:41,935 --> 01:12:44,335
Speaker 10: where they have a default, and then start thinking about

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01:12:44,375 --> 01:12:47,295
Speaker 10: when you enable the presumption to be the other way,

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Speaker 10: which is you know when you do have to have

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01:12:48,855 --> 01:12:51,015
Speaker 10: it in person, it did start to feel a bit

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01:12:51,055 --> 01:12:53,215
Speaker 10: more complicated, and of course the aim of the game

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01:12:53,295 --> 01:12:56,135
Speaker 10: is to make things easier, not harder. So the idea

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Speaker 10: is now. And having risten now to all the councils

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Speaker 10: that act as building content authorities, I've said, look, we

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Speaker 10: do expect that you have the facility to provide remote

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01:13:05,135 --> 01:13:08,055
Speaker 10: visual inspections, but in the meantime, we don't care how

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Speaker 10: you do it, as long as eighty percent of your

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Speaker 10: inspections are conducted within a three working day timeframe of

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Speaker 10: that request, So being the timeliness not the methodology, and say, well,

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Speaker 10: if we're interested in the end not the means, then

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Speaker 10: use that tool, but do it as you feel free,

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Speaker 10: as you wish.

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Speaker 5: Okay, which seems like a slightly more nuanced and more

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01:13:27,655 --> 01:13:28,855
Speaker 5: practical solution, doesn't it.

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Speaker 10: So, and again grateful for the feedback that that was

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Speaker 10: along those lines. So we heard that and have gone

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Speaker 10: with the timeframe as opposed to the specific methodology.

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Speaker 5: Okay. So again, I'm a builder, I've got my building consent,

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Speaker 5: I've answered all the RFIs, I'm ready for the building inspection.

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Speaker 5: But in fact, if I'm a trusted builder working on

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Speaker 5: simple buildings I might be able to opt into self certification.

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Speaker 5: Can you explain how self certification might work?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, So self certification is pretty much what it sounds like,

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Speaker 10: which is to say, you can say you can certify

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Speaker 10: that your work meets the building code or any other

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Speaker 10: relevant standards. And at the moment we've got electras and

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01:14:07,135 --> 01:14:09,735
Speaker 10: gas fitters who are able to do exactly that plumbers

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01:14:09,775 --> 01:14:12,455
Speaker 10: and train layers meanwhile can't. Although we've announced that we're

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01:14:12,535 --> 01:14:14,815
Speaker 10: changing that, so that legislation has been drafted as we

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Speaker 10: speak that will come through you know, if not this

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Speaker 10: year then certainly ahead of the next selection. And then

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Speaker 10: in relation to builders, well, there's already a distinction of

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01:14:24,575 --> 01:14:27,655
Speaker 10: course between licensed building practitioners who can do restricted building

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01:14:27,695 --> 01:14:31,175
Speaker 10: work and you know anyone who's who's not not being

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01:14:31,215 --> 01:14:33,895
Speaker 10: able to at least not without the supervision and ultimately

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Speaker 10: the sign off. So I've got an element of that already.

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Speaker 10: But in terms of self certifying whole buildings or developments

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Speaker 10: even at a time, what we've said there is that

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Speaker 10: we will identify building entities, you know, companies or in

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Speaker 10: the franchise model, by the way, as a bit of

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01:14:49,775 --> 01:14:52,295
Speaker 10: a challenge when you start thinking about group home boorders, right,

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01:14:52,615 --> 01:14:54,895
Speaker 10: we can come back to that if you want sure. Overall,

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01:14:54,975 --> 01:14:57,455
Speaker 10: the philosophy is that for those that are doing a

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Speaker 10: large scale of work, have got a good track record

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Speaker 10: in terms of quality, you know, lack of complaints in

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Speaker 10: difficult in terms of the week that they've already produced,

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01:15:08,535 --> 01:15:11,415
Speaker 10: got good quality assurances systems in place, would have a

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Speaker 10: method by which a customer could say, you know, there's

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01:15:15,415 --> 01:15:17,095
Speaker 10: been a defect or a problem and it there'd be

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01:15:17,135 --> 01:15:19,895
Speaker 10: a way to have that resolved. And of course they'd

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01:15:19,935 --> 01:15:23,335
Speaker 10: have adequate means which is basically deep enough pockets that

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01:15:23,415 --> 01:15:26,015
Speaker 10: if there is a problem that they could come to

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01:15:26,095 --> 01:15:28,335
Speaker 10: the party and not leave a shortfall for the poor

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01:15:28,455 --> 01:15:31,415
Speaker 10: homeowner in the same way that councils currently do. Then

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01:15:31,615 --> 01:15:34,335
Speaker 10: if all those planets align and subject to ongoing you know,

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01:15:34,535 --> 01:15:38,015
Speaker 10: order in quality assurance in terms of their ability to

1349
01:15:38,095 --> 01:15:40,975
Speaker 10: provide that, then we think that's the right place to

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01:15:41,055 --> 01:15:43,535
Speaker 10: allow them to get on and build the extra hundreds

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Speaker 10: and or even thousands of homes New Zealand that are

1352
01:15:46,615 --> 01:15:52,175
Speaker 10: currently treated in the same way single level of blanket

1353
01:15:53,255 --> 01:15:55,455
Speaker 10: oversight which we've currently gotten that seems to me not

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01:15:55,535 --> 01:15:58,015
Speaker 10: the way to get better productivity.

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Speaker 5: I mean, to be fair, it sounds like what looked

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Speaker 5: like something that would encompass a lot of building in fact,

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Speaker 5: will only encompass a very small number of buildings. Because

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Speaker 5: you know, I actually did some reading about this during

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Speaker 5: the course of the week. So you know, large building

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01:16:15,695 --> 01:16:21,215
Speaker 5: companies doing numerous simple buildings. So what's your definition or

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01:16:21,335 --> 01:16:23,415
Speaker 5: what do you see as a simple building?

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Speaker 10: Yeah? Well, again, the devil is always in the detail,

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Speaker 10: isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely.

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Speaker 10: It's really funny having these conversations because if you want

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01:16:29,135 --> 01:16:30,895
Speaker 10: to bring people along with you, and you want to

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Speaker 10: help or give people an opportunity to help and contribute

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01:16:34,135 --> 01:16:36,015
Speaker 10: by saying this is what it should look like, then

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01:16:36,055 --> 01:16:38,335
Speaker 10: you have to state the idea and principle and then

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Speaker 10: get into the detail as you go along. But of course,

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Speaker 10: the minute you talk about even the principle of it,

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Speaker 10: people say, oh, yes, but what about the details. So

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Speaker 10: I'm really grateful that we do have these conversations, but

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Speaker 10: in terms of a simple building. And as you'll be aware,

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01:16:49,775 --> 01:16:52,855
Speaker 10: and your listeners too, if they're regulars on't tuning into

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01:16:52,895 --> 01:16:56,495
Speaker 10: your show as they should be, even on a Mother's Day,

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01:16:56,535 --> 01:16:59,495
Speaker 10: by the way, then they'll know that zis three six

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01:16:59,615 --> 01:17:01,815
Speaker 10: er four, you know, sets out the standards. It's currently

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01:17:01,895 --> 01:17:05,095
Speaker 10: being updated, so watch the space. But you know, if

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Speaker 10: you can imagine starting with that kind of simple timber

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01:17:08,935 --> 01:17:11,375
Speaker 10: building and no reason by the way, it couldn't be

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01:17:11,415 --> 01:17:16,615
Speaker 10: expanded into other building types and materials as could safely

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01:17:16,655 --> 01:17:19,095
Speaker 10: be done, then you know there'd be a starting point.

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Speaker 10: And of course it'll be possible to say, oh, but

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01:17:21,095 --> 01:17:23,655
Speaker 10: what about these other ones. They should also be regarded

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Speaker 10: as safe for self certification, and that may be true,

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Speaker 10: but I'd rather be conservative initially in terms of what's

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Speaker 10: allowed and who's allowed to do self certification, and if

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Speaker 10: it goes well, then think about expanding it. But I

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01:17:34,975 --> 01:17:37,415
Speaker 10: think it'll be a major win. Even if it's let's say,

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Speaker 10: three thousand new homes a year, which you know, if

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Speaker 10: that's ten thousand, excuse me, ten percent of the thirty

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Speaker 10: thousand building consents currently being issued annually. That's not nothing.

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Speaker 10: It's not a silver bullet, but it's not nothing, and

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01:17:50,495 --> 01:17:52,055
Speaker 10: it's a good place to start if we were then

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01:17:52,135 --> 01:17:54,095
Speaker 10: to be comfortable to expand the program from there.

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Speaker 5: We didn't take a break, but I'd like to focus

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01:17:56,975 --> 01:18:01,895
Speaker 5: on consumer protection, right so there is a surety I

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01:18:01,975 --> 01:18:04,175
Speaker 5: think in most people's minds about the fact that if

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Speaker 5: I bought something that's brand new, I've had account inspector

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01:18:07,015 --> 01:18:09,255
Speaker 5: look at it. If we're taking the council inspector out

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01:18:09,255 --> 01:18:11,135
Speaker 5: of the picture, how do I know that I'm going

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01:18:11,215 --> 01:18:12,535
Speaker 5: to get a good house. So we'll come back and

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01:18:12,575 --> 01:18:14,895
Speaker 5: talk about that in a moment. My guess this morning

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01:18:14,935 --> 01:18:17,495
Speaker 5: in the studio is Chris Pink, the Minister for Building

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01:18:17,575 --> 01:18:20,455
Speaker 5: and Construction. It's coming up ten minutes away from.

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Speaker 1: A freak helping you get those DIY projects done right.

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Speaker 1: The resident builder with Beata Wolfcat call oh eight hund

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Speaker 1: Youth Talk ZV.

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Speaker 5: Chris Pink is with me in the studio and we're

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01:18:33,415 --> 01:18:36,455
Speaker 5: talking all things building and construction. And I think just

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01:18:36,575 --> 01:18:38,375
Speaker 5: during the break we were talking about you know, like

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Speaker 5: you can have top line comments self certification, but then

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01:18:42,495 --> 01:18:48,255
Speaker 5: underneath it the detail becomes mind boggling, mind bendingly complex

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01:18:48,535 --> 01:18:51,055
Speaker 5: within a really short period of time. But it's really

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01:18:51,095 --> 01:18:53,895
Speaker 5: important because you know, we both agree that what we

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01:18:54,095 --> 01:18:58,455
Speaker 5: want for people is quality housing that's not going to

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01:18:58,895 --> 01:19:01,975
Speaker 5: basically fail in the future and ruin people's lives. And

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01:19:02,095 --> 01:19:04,615
Speaker 5: we've seen that with leaky building it and so on.

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Speaker 5: Just in terms of So we talked a little bit

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01:19:08,015 --> 01:19:11,655
Speaker 5: about self certification, who might be involved. Actually, I want

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01:19:11,695 --> 01:19:14,135
Speaker 5: to throw in something else which is currently within the

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01:19:14,255 --> 01:19:17,655
Speaker 5: license building practitioner scheme. I like the fact that you're

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01:19:17,695 --> 01:19:20,775
Speaker 5: introducing a waterproofing class. I think that's really really going

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01:19:20,855 --> 01:19:23,135
Speaker 5: to be important because that was kind of a big

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01:19:23,215 --> 01:19:26,175
Speaker 5: hole in this scheme right now that you know who

1427
01:19:26,255 --> 01:19:29,855
Speaker 5: was going to it's restricted building. Yeah quite literally, so

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01:19:29,975 --> 01:19:32,615
Speaker 5: it's restricted building work, but sort of I would take

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01:19:32,655 --> 01:19:37,335
Speaker 5: responsibility for it as an LBP building or it just

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01:19:37,375 --> 01:19:38,815
Speaker 5: felt like there was a gap in the system. So

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01:19:38,855 --> 01:19:42,215
Speaker 5: we're going to plug that gap again, terrible pun. The

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Speaker 5: other thing is that right now, in terms of building licensing,

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Speaker 5: there's just one level of license, right so I'm an

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01:19:49,855 --> 01:19:58,295
Speaker 5: LBP building, that's it. Would you consider introducing levels of

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01:19:58,775 --> 01:20:01,415
Speaker 5: license for building in the same way that there are

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Speaker 5: levels of license in the site license, so you can

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01:20:03,655 --> 01:20:07,935
Speaker 5: be site license one, two, or three, reflecting experience and

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01:20:08,095 --> 01:20:10,575
Speaker 5: the scope of work that you can administer. And I

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01:20:10,615 --> 01:20:12,615
Speaker 5: guess where I'm getting with that is that you know,

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01:20:12,695 --> 01:20:15,935
Speaker 5: if we're talking about sales certification or remote inspections, that

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01:20:16,055 --> 01:20:18,215
Speaker 5: one of the ways to qualify for either of those

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01:20:18,335 --> 01:20:22,335
Speaker 5: things is to be an LBP two or three that

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01:20:22,455 --> 01:20:24,975
Speaker 5: you could go back and prove your competency, because to

1444
01:20:25,455 --> 01:20:28,935
Speaker 5: be blunt, you know, you could go out and I'd

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01:20:29,015 --> 01:20:31,175
Speaker 5: like to think that I'm a better builder than others.

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01:20:31,455 --> 01:20:35,335
Speaker 5: That to be really really honest, then another person who

1447
01:20:35,375 --> 01:20:37,415
Speaker 5: might just have qualified that, someone who's been in the

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01:20:37,455 --> 01:20:39,055
Speaker 5: game for a long time, who's got quite a lot

1449
01:20:39,095 --> 01:20:41,695
Speaker 5: of responsibility, is that would that be up for grabs,

1450
01:20:42,415 --> 01:20:42,975
Speaker 5: very much up.

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Speaker 10: For grabs and very happy to consider it. And I'm

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01:20:45,775 --> 01:20:47,855
Speaker 10: considering it in the sense that it gets raised with

1453
01:20:47,935 --> 01:20:49,975
Speaker 10: me reasonably frequently, and I've heard you talk about it

1454
01:20:50,055 --> 01:20:51,735
Speaker 10: before as well. Sure it sounds to me like it

1455
01:20:51,815 --> 01:20:53,335
Speaker 10: makes a lot of sense, because it's very much that

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01:20:53,375 --> 01:20:56,895
Speaker 10: philosophy of you know, having a better skilled and qualified

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01:20:57,735 --> 01:21:01,175
Speaker 10: cohort builders and within that recognizing those that we can have,

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01:21:01,495 --> 01:21:04,455
Speaker 10: you know, you know, fewer resources applied to And I

1459
01:21:04,495 --> 01:21:06,775
Speaker 10: think if I just take a moment to sort of

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01:21:06,975 --> 01:21:09,575
Speaker 10: explain if I may, in my mind, it's not about

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01:21:10,055 --> 01:21:13,535
Speaker 10: having lower standards of checking. It's actually saying, well, if

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01:21:13,655 --> 01:21:15,695
Speaker 10: council has only got a certain amount of resource, and

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01:21:15,775 --> 01:21:18,855
Speaker 10: realistically they do no such thing as an infinite resource

1464
01:21:18,935 --> 01:21:21,615
Speaker 10: of time or rate pay of funds to work these

1465
01:21:21,655 --> 01:21:24,535
Speaker 10: things out. Then we actually want that applied you know

1466
01:21:24,655 --> 01:21:26,775
Speaker 10: where it's most needed, which is, you know, those who

1467
01:21:26,815 --> 01:21:31,895
Speaker 10: are less experienced or qualified or frankly competent. And so yeah,

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01:21:31,935 --> 01:21:34,015
Speaker 10: I mean I can see a differentiation within the LBP

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01:21:34,335 --> 01:21:36,935
Speaker 10: along those lines, but it's not something that I'm well

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Speaker 10: enough advanced to my own thinking to be able to

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01:21:39,015 --> 01:21:41,215
Speaker 10: say to you that will happen anytime soon just because

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Speaker 10: we've but not so much.

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Speaker 5: There's just probably other priorities. Let's talk just briefly if

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01:21:46,095 --> 01:21:49,695
Speaker 5: we can around joint and several liability. So my take

1475
01:21:49,775 --> 01:21:52,815
Speaker 5: on it is that because counsels often end up being

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01:21:53,055 --> 01:21:56,775
Speaker 5: the only person responsible for building defects, they have got

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01:21:56,855 --> 01:22:00,295
Speaker 5: to be risk averse. So could we see a change

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01:22:00,415 --> 01:22:04,335
Speaker 5: perhaps from joint and several liability to proportional liability, so

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01:22:04,455 --> 01:22:07,895
Speaker 5: that council, you know, if rather than having a million

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01:22:07,975 --> 01:22:11,255
Speaker 5: dollar bill for a defective building, they will have a

1481
01:22:11,415 --> 01:22:14,975
Speaker 5: portion of that and liability will be assigned to others.

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01:22:15,255 --> 01:22:17,015
Speaker 5: But then how do you chase those people as well?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:22:17,735 --> 01:22:19,455
Speaker 10: Really well, and I think that is the right question

1485
01:22:20,055 --> 01:22:21,375
Speaker 10: to chase those.

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Speaker 5: Tell you what one thing that I haven't learned in

1487
01:22:24,415 --> 01:22:26,775
Speaker 5: eleven years. Is how to tell the time we're going

1488
01:22:26,855 --> 01:22:28,615
Speaker 5: to take a break, because we've got the news.

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Speaker 1: Met twice god once, but maybe called Pete first bid

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Speaker 1: your wolf Camp the resident builder.

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Speaker 4: News talk said be you, and his talk said be Pete.

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Speaker 5: Wolf Camp the resident builder with you Today is always

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01:22:41,935 --> 01:22:44,895
Speaker 5: on a Sunday, today, particularly special Sunday because of course

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01:22:44,935 --> 01:22:47,335
Speaker 5: it's Mother's Day. And I really appreciate the fact, Chris

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01:22:47,455 --> 01:22:50,175
Speaker 5: that you've come in on Mother's Day as well. I

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01:22:50,295 --> 01:22:52,015
Speaker 5: hope that's all going to be okay at home, but

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Speaker 5: it always gets a bit tricky.

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Speaker 2: Ah.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so's breakfast and beds and probably on one across

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01:22:58,335 --> 01:23:00,815
Speaker 10: Auckland as we speak. So I'll dash back once we've

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01:23:00,855 --> 01:23:02,135
Speaker 10: done and see what we can do about them.

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01:23:02,255 --> 01:23:04,215
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really appreciate you coming in. So we've had

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01:23:04,375 --> 01:23:07,855
Speaker 5: a fairly extensive discussion around h one, around consenting, around

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01:23:07,895 --> 01:23:10,895
Speaker 5: bcas I do want to try and talk about joint

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01:23:10,975 --> 01:23:14,815
Speaker 5: and several liability and what might change. The other thing

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01:23:14,975 --> 01:23:18,455
Speaker 5: is in terms of insurance for construction work, because I

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01:23:18,535 --> 01:23:21,575
Speaker 5: guess ultimately what we should all be most concerned about

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01:23:21,655 --> 01:23:24,735
Speaker 5: is we want quality buildings. We also want quality buildings

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01:23:24,935 --> 01:23:27,935
Speaker 5: so that a homeowner doesn't end up in a defective

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01:23:28,015 --> 01:23:31,135
Speaker 5: building and possibly not being able to get redress. Into

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01:23:31,175 --> 01:23:35,495
Speaker 5: the future, will we see a bigger role for insurance

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01:23:35,655 --> 01:23:40,415
Speaker 5: in terms of providing the remediation in the future when

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01:23:40,455 --> 01:23:43,135
Speaker 5: things go wrong? Yeah, I think what's the tool? What

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01:23:43,375 --> 01:23:44,495
Speaker 5: beaver can you pull down?

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01:23:44,535 --> 01:23:45,935
Speaker 10: I mean, there a number of different levers, And of

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01:23:46,015 --> 01:23:48,015
Speaker 10: course you're right, the starting point has to be consumer

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01:23:48,055 --> 01:23:52,055
Speaker 10: protection because we want people to be confident that's such

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01:23:52,135 --> 01:23:54,775
Speaker 10: a large asset for them, and it is an asset

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01:23:54,815 --> 01:23:56,935
Speaker 10: as well as houses, a home and the words of

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01:23:56,935 --> 01:24:01,575
Speaker 10: the jingles, Sure, and all those kind of important considerations,

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01:24:01,655 --> 01:24:03,695
Speaker 10: but we know that with so much at stake, we

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01:24:03,775 --> 01:24:05,895
Speaker 10: can't have people who aren't as expert as yourself and

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01:24:06,295 --> 01:24:10,055
Speaker 10: probably most of your listeners and are vulnerable. So if

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01:24:10,095 --> 01:24:12,335
Speaker 10: we think about how we can provide that and insurance

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01:24:12,415 --> 01:24:14,895
Speaker 10: with a capital I obviously is one of them. And

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01:24:15,255 --> 01:24:17,375
Speaker 10: I've had a conversation with a few of the insurers

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01:24:17,415 --> 01:24:20,695
Speaker 10: and the insurance council. They have the same questions, but

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01:24:20,815 --> 01:24:23,175
Speaker 10: frankly as the rest of us do in terms of

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01:24:23,655 --> 01:24:26,215
Speaker 10: their level of comfort about whether there are sufficiently high

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01:24:26,255 --> 01:24:29,775
Speaker 10: standards among the building practitioners, you know, the tradees and

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01:24:30,255 --> 01:24:33,335
Speaker 10: designers even up front that they won't be liable for

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01:24:33,415 --> 01:24:35,375
Speaker 10: an avalanche of claims, and of course they're not going

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01:24:35,455 --> 01:24:37,815
Speaker 10: to be interested for commercial reasons and getting into that

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01:24:37,895 --> 01:24:40,175
Speaker 10: space any more than the rest of us are happy

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01:24:40,215 --> 01:24:42,575
Speaker 10: with that from a government outcome point of view, or

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01:24:42,735 --> 01:24:46,815
Speaker 10: for that matter, councils facing that liability that they do currently.

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01:24:47,375 --> 01:24:49,455
Speaker 10: And of course the point about council being last person

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01:24:49,575 --> 01:24:52,415
Speaker 10: standing and therefore having up to one hundred percent of

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01:24:53,095 --> 01:24:57,135
Speaker 10: the cost of a defect is that, yes, as we've

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01:24:57,175 --> 01:24:59,855
Speaker 10: discussed the risk averse, but also that's letting off the

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01:24:59,895 --> 01:25:02,015
Speaker 10: hook those that have actually done the work in a

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01:25:02,095 --> 01:25:06,255
Speaker 10: poor manner. So maybe you know, maybe there's a different

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01:25:06,295 --> 01:25:08,895
Speaker 10: and way we could talk about self certification. And it's

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01:25:09,495 --> 01:25:12,815
Speaker 10: probably on me that I haven't necessarily done this well

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01:25:12,935 --> 01:25:15,655
Speaker 10: enough so far. But the point is actually placing liability

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01:25:15,735 --> 01:25:19,695
Speaker 10: where it belongs on the personal persons just to be

1547
01:25:19,735 --> 01:25:21,695
Speaker 10: a bit lawyery from them and who have actually done

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01:25:21,735 --> 01:25:24,375
Speaker 10: the work that's led everyone down. So it's an exercise

1549
01:25:24,455 --> 01:25:27,735
Speaker 10: in sheeting home responsibility. So really a double edge sword

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01:25:27,775 --> 01:25:30,175
Speaker 10: for those who would be self certified. Are you that

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01:25:30,295 --> 01:25:32,175
Speaker 10: confident you're going to stand behind your work that if

1552
01:25:32,215 --> 01:25:34,855
Speaker 10: it's cocked up that you're going to be the one

1553
01:25:34,935 --> 01:25:38,055
Speaker 10: who has to meet that shortfall. So you know, that's

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01:25:38,135 --> 01:25:41,895
Speaker 10: why we have a system not only in working backwards

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01:25:41,935 --> 01:25:43,415
Speaker 10: from the fact that if there is a problem, we

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01:25:43,535 --> 01:25:45,575
Speaker 10: want to have it being able to be resolved without

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01:25:45,655 --> 01:25:47,615
Speaker 10: recourse to the right path, but also it makes it

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01:25:47,735 --> 01:25:49,935
Speaker 10: less likely in the first place that you have those problems,

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01:25:50,135 --> 01:25:52,335
Speaker 10: because at the moment it seems to me there's an

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01:25:52,335 --> 01:25:55,255
Speaker 10: element of all care and a responsibility where a designer

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01:25:55,655 --> 01:25:59,735
Speaker 10: or a building trades person will submit their work and

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01:25:59,855 --> 01:26:01,415
Speaker 10: if it's not right, don't worry about it because the

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01:26:01,495 --> 01:26:03,775
Speaker 10: council will pick it up. No, you have to pay

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01:26:03,775 --> 01:26:05,775
Speaker 10: a bit more attention to that if it's all on

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01:26:05,855 --> 01:26:08,975
Speaker 10: your head or in your bank balances. Self certify, so

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01:26:09,135 --> 01:26:12,135
Speaker 10: insurance are interested, but they are nervous. And if there

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01:26:12,215 --> 01:26:15,535
Speaker 10: isn't a private insurance silver bullet in the market, and

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01:26:15,775 --> 01:26:17,695
Speaker 10: at the moment it doesn't seem to me that there is,

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01:26:18,495 --> 01:26:22,255
Speaker 10: then the other ways of insuring or assuring the quality

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01:26:22,695 --> 01:26:26,575
Speaker 10: will have to sit elsewhere. And yes, we've talked about

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01:26:26,575 --> 01:26:29,255
Speaker 10: a few self safeguards to reduce the possibility that there's

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01:26:29,255 --> 01:26:31,015
Speaker 10: a problem in the first place, but also if you

1573
01:26:31,095 --> 01:26:34,335
Speaker 10: think about, you know, the possibility of a fidelity fund,

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01:26:34,735 --> 01:26:38,655
Speaker 10: whereby you could have particular cases where a person might

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01:26:38,695 --> 01:26:41,695
Speaker 10: engage a building practitioner. Maybe in the instance of fraud,

1576
01:26:41,775 --> 01:26:43,935
Speaker 10: maybe there was a reason that they had not to

1577
01:26:44,095 --> 01:26:49,095
Speaker 10: know that, you know, as a reasonably prudent consumer, having

1578
01:26:49,135 --> 01:26:51,935
Speaker 10: done your due diligence, if they're still left short by

1579
01:26:52,055 --> 01:26:54,455
Speaker 10: some really bad behavior, then maybe there's a case for

1580
01:26:54,535 --> 01:26:56,895
Speaker 10: stumping up at a broader level, you know, and with

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01:26:57,015 --> 01:26:59,855
Speaker 10: the building Levy Fund for example, that's currently paid into

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01:26:59,895 --> 01:27:02,375
Speaker 10: at the moment, could potentially be paid into that. And

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01:27:02,455 --> 01:27:05,815
Speaker 10: I'm just you know, stating these possibilities as opposed to

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01:27:05,815 --> 01:27:08,375
Speaker 10: announcing policy live on air that hasn't yet been signed

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01:27:08,375 --> 01:27:10,615
Speaker 10: off by the government. But I want to be creative

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01:27:10,615 --> 01:27:13,095
Speaker 10: about how we can provide the assurance without sacrificing the

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01:27:13,135 --> 01:27:15,895
Speaker 10: outcomes that we want in terms of timeliness and therefore cost.

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01:27:16,175 --> 01:27:18,695
Speaker 5: Because every now and then, if you follow the courts

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01:27:18,775 --> 01:27:20,975
Speaker 5: and the court rulings, you'll find that, you know, a

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01:27:21,055 --> 01:27:24,735
Speaker 5: homeowner has been awarded you know, nine hundred thousand dollars

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01:27:25,215 --> 01:27:28,815
Speaker 5: from a build array or developer Bee and so on,

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01:27:29,175 --> 01:27:30,455
Speaker 5: But do they ever get that money?

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean you have to ask laws more so

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01:27:34,135 --> 01:27:36,135
Speaker 10: than the builders or if you ask the consumers and

1595
01:27:36,135 --> 01:27:38,095
Speaker 10: the homeowners. But we've all seen the news items and

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01:27:38,335 --> 01:27:41,255
Speaker 10: really heartbreaking when you see absolute a young couple, not

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01:27:41,335 --> 01:27:44,295
Speaker 10: necessarily young of course, or whatever the circumstances are that

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01:27:44,335 --> 01:27:46,655
Speaker 10: I've been left out of pocket, you know, buy some

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01:27:47,055 --> 01:27:51,815
Speaker 10: pretty poor behavior, if not invariably as well poor workmanship.

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01:27:51,935 --> 01:27:55,335
Speaker 10: But there's also opportunities. Maybe I can you know, not

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01:27:55,535 --> 01:27:58,655
Speaker 10: not too glibally, but put that scenario aside for a

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01:27:58,695 --> 01:28:01,135
Speaker 10: moment and say there's also a large category of buildings

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01:28:01,335 --> 01:28:03,135
Speaker 10: for which that is not going to be the case

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01:28:03,375 --> 01:28:06,095
Speaker 10: because the person doing the development or you know, the

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01:28:06,815 --> 01:28:09,455
Speaker 10: contracting the builders to do the work, actually will continue

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01:28:09,495 --> 01:28:12,055
Speaker 10: to own it. If you think about retirement villages, for example,

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01:28:12,335 --> 01:28:14,935
Speaker 10: the model that they operate on with those licenses to occupy.

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01:28:15,215 --> 01:28:17,735
Speaker 10: If there's a problem, they're still the owner. They're still

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01:28:17,775 --> 01:28:20,615
Speaker 10: going to be on them to have to sort that out. Likewise, government,

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01:28:20,895 --> 01:28:24,535
Speaker 10: you know, huge procure of building works, be it classrooms

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01:28:24,735 --> 01:28:28,335
Speaker 10: in the education portfolio, social housing and so on. Why

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01:28:28,375 --> 01:28:30,815
Speaker 10: they're running off to their local council on every single

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01:28:30,855 --> 01:28:34,615
Speaker 10: occasion is you know, well, let's just say it's not

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01:28:34,655 --> 01:28:37,335
Speaker 10: necessarily the right model given that, you know, if they

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01:28:37,375 --> 01:28:39,975
Speaker 10: could be trusted more to get on and do the

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01:28:40,055 --> 01:28:43,415
Speaker 10: work and hold accountable via contracts that people are doing

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01:28:43,455 --> 01:28:45,735
Speaker 10: the work, then that'll free up with the resources of

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01:28:45,775 --> 01:28:47,975
Speaker 10: the system. Of course for people who you know, just

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01:28:48,055 --> 01:28:50,415
Speaker 10: go and knock on the door and want their own

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01:28:50,495 --> 01:28:53,495
Speaker 10: private commercial work done in what we always think of

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01:28:53,535 --> 01:28:55,975
Speaker 10: the ordinary way of things. I should decaid by the way,

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01:28:56,015 --> 01:28:58,495
Speaker 10: I'm sorry, I pause for breath. I promise you. I

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01:28:58,655 --> 01:29:00,615
Speaker 10: know you want to get to your text. But in

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01:29:00,775 --> 01:29:03,055
Speaker 10: terms of social housing, which I have just referred to,

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01:29:03,695 --> 01:29:05,695
Speaker 10: in fact, of course that is a special case where

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01:29:05,815 --> 01:29:09,415
Speaker 10: you can see which is the private or rather the public.

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01:29:09,535 --> 01:29:12,815
Speaker 10: But Bespoke Building Content Authority does that with it's linked

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01:29:12,975 --> 01:29:15,655
Speaker 10: with KO only at the moment, as opposed to other

1629
01:29:15,695 --> 01:29:18,695
Speaker 10: government works. So you know there is a model there

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01:29:18,735 --> 01:29:21,135
Speaker 10: where we could contemplate doing things differently.

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01:29:21,015 --> 01:29:23,735
Speaker 5: Just on the consenting. Then there is now the re

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01:29:23,855 --> 01:29:27,455
Speaker 5: emergence of private certifiers. I think I saw one article

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01:29:27,495 --> 01:29:30,295
Speaker 5: A company full Sight, I think it is out of Wellington,

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01:29:30,335 --> 01:29:33,295
Speaker 5: will be able to act as a BCA and undertake

1635
01:29:33,375 --> 01:29:37,415
Speaker 5: inspections and issue a code of compliance. We had that

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01:29:37,535 --> 01:29:40,535
Speaker 5: a few years ago as soon as things got rough,

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01:29:40,735 --> 01:29:43,335
Speaker 5: they all went to the wall. What's going to be

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01:29:43,375 --> 01:29:44,335
Speaker 5: different this time around?

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01:29:44,695 --> 01:29:48,095
Speaker 10: Well, actually nothing in the sense the applications that are

1640
01:29:48,135 --> 01:29:51,575
Speaker 10: in currently and I think there are a couple don't

1641
01:29:51,575 --> 01:29:53,775
Speaker 10: reflect any changes that have been made under my watch.

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01:29:54,615 --> 01:29:57,015
Speaker 10: We've got a couple of outfits that are applying to

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01:29:57,095 --> 01:30:01,095
Speaker 10: be private building content authorities, you know, standing in issues

1644
01:30:01,295 --> 01:30:04,215
Speaker 10: or in place of what work is currently done by councils,

1645
01:30:05,135 --> 01:30:09,055
Speaker 10: and they're either me those thresholds, including adequate means, which

1646
01:30:09,135 --> 01:30:10,415
Speaker 10: is that they've got enough resources.

1647
01:30:10,455 --> 01:30:11,335
Speaker 5: If there's a.

1648
01:30:11,335 --> 01:30:14,695
Speaker 10: Large scale problem, they'll either meet those or they won't

1649
01:30:14,775 --> 01:30:16,855
Speaker 10: on the existing criteria. That's nothing to do with any

1650
01:30:16,935 --> 01:30:19,655
Speaker 10: changes I've made. Personally, I think it would be good

1651
01:30:20,055 --> 01:30:23,175
Speaker 10: in theory to have such options available because that will

1652
01:30:23,215 --> 01:30:25,335
Speaker 10: take a bit of pressure off councils and it will

1653
01:30:25,615 --> 01:30:28,095
Speaker 10: allow those who want to make an application in that

1654
01:30:28,415 --> 01:30:31,535
Speaker 10: direction to you know, maybe provide a bit of a

1655
01:30:31,575 --> 01:30:34,375
Speaker 10: pressure Valven and dare I say, potentially some composite some

1656
01:30:34,535 --> 01:30:35,255
Speaker 10: competition too.

1657
01:30:35,495 --> 01:30:40,255
Speaker 5: Okay, let's jump into granny flats, so potentially up to

1658
01:30:40,335 --> 01:30:43,855
Speaker 5: seventy square meters not necessarily requiring a building consent. I

1659
01:30:43,975 --> 01:30:46,455
Speaker 5: talked about this sort of presentation yesterday, a couple of

1660
01:30:46,495 --> 01:30:48,975
Speaker 5: hands went up in the audience, going, if it doesn't

1661
01:30:49,015 --> 01:30:52,695
Speaker 5: have a building consent, would insurers ensure it?

1662
01:30:54,095 --> 01:30:56,695
Speaker 10: Well, I live in a house that doesn't have building consent.

1663
01:30:57,015 --> 01:31:00,375
Speaker 10: It was built ninety nine years ago, and you know,

1664
01:31:00,815 --> 01:31:02,895
Speaker 10: I don't know if someone came along with a clipboard

1665
01:31:02,895 --> 01:31:04,495
Speaker 10: at some point, or if there was a chicken and

1666
01:31:04,535 --> 01:31:07,095
Speaker 10: egg scenario where the bank was have to lend to

1667
01:31:07,215 --> 01:31:10,375
Speaker 10: me on it, and therefore the insurer was happy to

1668
01:31:11,135 --> 01:31:13,575
Speaker 10: provide insurance because of course you can't get.

1669
01:31:13,415 --> 01:31:14,655
Speaker 5: The lending if not insured.

1670
01:31:14,895 --> 01:31:17,375
Speaker 10: Yeah, but there are lots of good quality buildings that

1671
01:31:17,855 --> 01:31:20,415
Speaker 10: pre date the existing regime. And actually I'd wager that

1672
01:31:20,455 --> 01:31:22,615
Speaker 10: a lot of buildings around Auckland where we are now

1673
01:31:22,655 --> 01:31:25,295
Speaker 10: and across the country prior to the new regime will

1674
01:31:25,335 --> 01:31:27,935
Speaker 10: last a lot longer than those that have been consented

1675
01:31:27,975 --> 01:31:31,175
Speaker 10: and signed off and insured within a more recent period

1676
01:31:31,175 --> 01:31:32,895
Speaker 10: of time with the last couple of building acts. So

1677
01:31:33,255 --> 01:31:36,615
Speaker 10: short answer, yes, of course, is insurance available, but you

1678
01:31:36,655 --> 01:31:38,495
Speaker 10: know the insurance themselves will make that decision.

1679
01:31:38,975 --> 01:31:41,135
Speaker 5: I hear what you're saying. I'm in a nineteen oh

1680
01:31:41,215 --> 01:31:43,855
Speaker 5: five villa, so I get that, But I just wonder

1681
01:31:44,055 --> 01:31:47,735
Speaker 5: for a new build that arrives on site and doesn't

1682
01:31:47,775 --> 01:31:51,975
Speaker 5: have a building consent and you know there's a whole

1683
01:31:52,015 --> 01:31:54,015
Speaker 5: lot of stuff in there around how are you going

1684
01:31:54,095 --> 01:31:56,895
Speaker 5: to ensure quality of council step away.

1685
01:31:58,055 --> 01:32:00,375
Speaker 10: Yeah, well the answer is we'll have it done by

1686
01:32:00,415 --> 01:32:04,255
Speaker 10: people who we regard as worthy of the trust. And

1687
01:32:04,775 --> 01:32:06,455
Speaker 10: I know some people will say, well, you know you

1688
01:32:06,455 --> 01:32:08,655
Speaker 10: shouldn't be able to rely on that, or you know

1689
01:32:08,775 --> 01:32:10,695
Speaker 10: you shouldn't rely on that in fact, but you know

1690
01:32:10,775 --> 01:32:12,815
Speaker 10: that's the calculation we made because I think it's worth

1691
01:32:13,255 --> 01:32:16,735
Speaker 10: you know, noting at the outset. You know, the problem

1692
01:32:16,775 --> 01:32:19,415
Speaker 10: we've got to solve here is that building costs increase

1693
01:32:19,535 --> 01:32:21,815
Speaker 10: by more than forty percent between twenty nineteen and twenty

1694
01:32:21,855 --> 01:32:24,815
Speaker 10: twenty three. It's just simply unaffordable. And if you've got

1695
01:32:24,855 --> 01:32:28,295
Speaker 10: something relatively low risk as a structure, and granny flats

1696
01:32:28,335 --> 01:32:31,735
Speaker 10: we are talking low risk by definition and yes TBA

1697
01:32:31,855 --> 01:32:33,735
Speaker 10: in terms of the detail, but we're getting there. We're

1698
01:32:33,815 --> 01:32:35,655
Speaker 10: very very very close by the way till that being

1699
01:32:35,975 --> 01:32:39,135
Speaker 10: in the public domain. And if you think about an

1700
01:32:39,175 --> 01:32:42,135
Speaker 10: extra mitigation in terms of level entry showers that are

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01:32:42,215 --> 01:32:44,775
Speaker 10: likely to be a feature of granny flats and therefore

1702
01:32:44,895 --> 01:32:48,655
Speaker 10: giving rise to that new waterproofing class of licensed building practitioner. Well,

1703
01:32:48,695 --> 01:32:50,495
Speaker 10: if you say, well, if you make all those mitigations,

1704
01:32:50,575 --> 01:32:52,015
Speaker 10: then you're not going to be any worse off than

1705
01:32:52,055 --> 01:32:54,815
Speaker 10: you currently are. Then it's a thing that we should

1706
01:32:54,855 --> 01:32:58,335
Speaker 10: do because a minor residential unit on an existing parth

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01:32:58,375 --> 01:33:01,015
Speaker 10: out of land that's already got a major dwelling and

1708
01:33:01,055 --> 01:33:03,175
Speaker 10: therefore with the infrastructure that's happened to, we're going to

1709
01:33:03,215 --> 01:33:05,295
Speaker 10: save a lot of cost. We're going to increase the

1710
01:33:05,335 --> 01:33:07,615
Speaker 10: housing supply. Of course, getting back to what we need

1711
01:33:07,655 --> 01:33:10,055
Speaker 10: to do, that's the thing we need to achieve.

1712
01:33:11,455 --> 01:33:13,615
Speaker 5: Will there be any right to object? Like if my

1713
01:33:13,735 --> 01:33:16,935
Speaker 5: neighbor suddenly starts framing up in the backyard and I think,

1714
01:33:17,255 --> 01:33:19,615
Speaker 5: as I don't necessarily want that there, obviously they don't

1715
01:33:19,615 --> 01:33:21,615
Speaker 5: need a resource consent, they don't need a building consent,

1716
01:33:21,775 --> 01:33:22,935
Speaker 5: Is there any grounds to object?

1717
01:33:23,335 --> 01:33:23,535
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:33:23,575 --> 01:33:26,375
Speaker 10: I mean technically that's the resource management side rather than

1719
01:33:26,455 --> 01:33:29,655
Speaker 10: building management. So I'm sure I'm probably not fay enough

1720
01:33:29,735 --> 01:33:33,215
Speaker 10: with the rules on the other side to be really

1721
01:33:33,295 --> 01:33:35,815
Speaker 10: clear on that, but I mean it's worth noting. And

1722
01:33:35,855 --> 01:33:37,655
Speaker 10: I can tell you this as a local MP and

1723
01:33:37,735 --> 01:33:40,215
Speaker 10: also having been a lawyer previous there's all kinds of

1724
01:33:40,255 --> 01:33:43,495
Speaker 10: disputes currently where people put up something they're not meant

1725
01:33:43,535 --> 01:33:46,055
Speaker 10: to in the shore and then the neighboring yards. And

1726
01:33:46,735 --> 01:33:48,575
Speaker 10: I don't think there's anything new under the sun as

1727
01:33:48,615 --> 01:33:49,255
Speaker 10: far as that goes.

1728
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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, Yeah, we're going to take a short break

1729
01:33:53,855 --> 01:33:55,455
Speaker 5: and then we're going to come back and finally get

1730
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Speaker 5: round to some texts because to be fair, I've got

1731
01:33:57,855 --> 01:34:00,575
Speaker 5: a whole heap more questions as well. But let's take

1732
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Speaker 5: a short break back in.

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Speaker 5: I promised that we would get to some techs, so

1758
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Speaker 5: we really really should do that. This is a great

1759
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Speaker 5: one from Craig, who's a fairly regular contributed to the show,

1760
01:35:27,895 --> 01:35:30,935
Speaker 5: and I love his comments. Morning, Chris and Pete. With

1761
01:35:31,135 --> 01:35:34,295
Speaker 5: the consent exemptions, let's say for Granny Platz what happens

1762
01:35:34,375 --> 01:35:39,015
Speaker 5: in regards to foundations and engineering for foundations. So typically

1763
01:35:39,055 --> 01:35:40,735
Speaker 5: if you're doing a new build now you need to

1764
01:35:40,815 --> 01:35:43,575
Speaker 5: have the ground surveyed to ensure that it will bear

1765
01:35:43,895 --> 01:35:46,295
Speaker 5: the building on top of it. Is that still going

1766
01:35:46,375 --> 01:35:47,015
Speaker 5: to be a requirement.

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01:35:47,375 --> 01:35:48,895
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't want to put Craig wrong, so I'm

1768
01:35:48,935 --> 01:35:50,575
Speaker 10: not going to come flip a coin on whether that's

1769
01:35:50,575 --> 01:35:53,255
Speaker 10: the yes or no. But soonly I can tell you

1770
01:35:53,335 --> 01:35:56,175
Speaker 10: that with the legislation nearly ready to hit the streets,

1771
01:35:56,615 --> 01:35:59,975
Speaker 10: and then once that's past, MB will put out good

1772
01:36:00,015 --> 01:36:02,615
Speaker 10: guidance on their website to maybe go through some of

1773
01:36:02,655 --> 01:36:05,615
Speaker 10: those line ball cases. And I noted, I think maybe

1774
01:36:05,695 --> 01:36:08,055
Speaker 10: last week, but any recently, you had a question coming

1775
01:36:08,175 --> 01:36:12,495
Speaker 10: around wood burners as opposed to other heating appliants grany flats,

1776
01:36:12,615 --> 01:36:14,095
Speaker 10: and I was able to look that up. It seems

1777
01:36:14,095 --> 01:36:16,655
Speaker 10: to me that that's likely to be. You know, that

1778
01:36:16,695 --> 01:36:19,055
Speaker 10: would be outside the definition of a simple building such

1779
01:36:19,135 --> 01:36:21,175
Speaker 10: that you wouldn't need a consent. So I can imagine

1780
01:36:21,215 --> 01:36:24,335
Speaker 10: a scenario, for example, hypothetically, because the legislation doesn't yet

1781
01:36:24,775 --> 01:36:28,455
Speaker 10: exist publicly, that you know, the building itself, the grainy

1782
01:36:28,455 --> 01:36:30,815
Speaker 10: flat itself wouldn't need the consent, but to install a

1783
01:36:30,855 --> 01:36:33,335
Speaker 10: wood burner, that element alone would need.

1784
01:36:33,295 --> 01:36:36,095
Speaker 5: To and that essentially makes it more high risk, isn't it.

1785
01:36:36,175 --> 01:36:37,175
Speaker 10: So that's right.

1786
01:36:37,255 --> 01:36:39,815
Speaker 5: The intent of the legislation seems to be what is

1787
01:36:40,335 --> 01:36:43,415
Speaker 5: relatively low risk, So it's only going to be single story.

1788
01:36:43,935 --> 01:36:46,495
Speaker 5: It's going to be located far enough from boundaries that

1789
01:36:46,535 --> 01:36:48,055
Speaker 5: if it did fall over, it's not going to fall

1790
01:36:48,095 --> 01:36:51,335
Speaker 5: onto your neighbor's property. I think it's really important to

1791
01:36:51,335 --> 01:36:55,575
Speaker 5: emphasize the fact it can't be connected to an existing building, correct, Yeah, okay, yes, sir,

1792
01:36:56,375 --> 01:37:00,015
Speaker 5: I am curious. Then the discussion thus far is around

1793
01:37:00,095 --> 01:37:03,895
Speaker 5: the use of lightweight materials, so timber framing, steel framing.

1794
01:37:04,015 --> 01:37:06,575
Speaker 5: So you can't do a block wall, for example, can

1795
01:37:06,615 --> 01:37:07,535
Speaker 5: you do a concrete slab?

1796
01:37:10,095 --> 01:37:13,415
Speaker 10: I don't want to, Okay, I think I don't want Yeah.

1797
01:37:13,495 --> 01:37:16,135
Speaker 5: Sorry, Now someone's ticked through and they went, can you

1798
01:37:16,255 --> 01:37:20,295
Speaker 5: tell the minister exclamation mark when this healthy homes rought's

1799
01:37:20,335 --> 01:37:22,655
Speaker 5: going to be over? My wonderful house built in twenty

1800
01:37:22,895 --> 01:37:26,455
Speaker 5: eighteen failed recently. The email was followed up by a

1801
01:37:26,535 --> 01:37:28,935
Speaker 5: quote for five grand to do the upgrades and repairs.

1802
01:37:29,535 --> 01:37:32,415
Speaker 5: It's a con Now, I suspect that you might have

1803
01:37:32,535 --> 01:37:35,735
Speaker 5: some truth to this. Problems incurred leaves in the gutter, okay,

1804
01:37:36,295 --> 01:37:39,015
Speaker 5: insulation had compressed slightly and the heating was not enough.

1805
01:37:40,215 --> 01:37:44,015
Speaker 10: Your response, Oh god, yeah, I mean healthy homes. It's

1806
01:37:44,015 --> 01:37:47,135
Speaker 10: probably a subject for another whole discussion. But obviously a

1807
01:37:47,215 --> 01:37:49,295
Speaker 10: huge amount of cost, and it does seem to me

1808
01:37:49,375 --> 01:37:52,855
Speaker 10: there's a bit of a disconnect and understanding whether healthy

1809
01:37:52,895 --> 01:37:56,615
Speaker 10: homes need to be standards in place for the benefit

1810
01:37:56,655 --> 01:37:58,855
Speaker 10: of tenants and so on. Actually, the heating source, I

1811
01:37:58,895 --> 01:38:01,575
Speaker 10: think people don't necessarily realize, as opposed to the building

1812
01:38:01,615 --> 01:38:04,975
Speaker 10: itself being really well insulated, such that if you invest

1813
01:38:05,015 --> 01:38:06,575
Speaker 10: in a heater or whatever as a tenant I do,

1814
01:38:06,975 --> 01:38:08,855
Speaker 10: then it's not going to be heating us off.

1815
01:38:09,695 --> 01:38:11,775
Speaker 5: I think people will still be surprised that you can

1816
01:38:11,855 --> 01:38:15,455
Speaker 5: build a building today to the Building Code, get a

1817
01:38:15,535 --> 01:38:18,495
Speaker 5: CCC for it, and it will fail Healthy home standard

1818
01:38:18,535 --> 01:38:21,695
Speaker 5: because we don't have a requirement for heating. Yeah, in

1819
01:38:21,815 --> 01:38:22,455
Speaker 5: the building Code.

1820
01:38:23,055 --> 01:38:26,295
Speaker 10: I no doubt people are surprised, clearly. Still, your correspondence.

1821
01:38:25,975 --> 01:38:28,495
Speaker 5: Apples you as well. Actually, the other day at the

1822
01:38:28,535 --> 01:38:31,455
Speaker 5: Green Building Council, you talked about ventilation. Can I get

1823
01:38:31,495 --> 01:38:34,695
Speaker 5: you just to expand on that. What's obviously people have

1824
01:38:34,775 --> 01:38:38,055
Speaker 5: come to you going, hey, we've got a looming problem

1825
01:38:38,175 --> 01:38:41,295
Speaker 5: in terms of we're building better, so our buildings are

1826
01:38:41,375 --> 01:38:44,255
Speaker 5: more air tight, but we're relying on people opening windows

1827
01:38:44,775 --> 01:38:47,855
Speaker 5: which people may not do. So is this part of

1828
01:38:47,855 --> 01:38:48,255
Speaker 5: your thinking?

1829
01:38:48,895 --> 01:38:51,775
Speaker 10: Yes, I mean, ventilation is another whole again, another subject

1830
01:38:51,775 --> 01:38:53,895
Speaker 10: for another day. Not to run away from it it,

1831
01:38:54,495 --> 01:38:57,415
Speaker 10: you know, eight twenty six, except to say that I'm

1832
01:38:57,535 --> 01:38:59,655
Speaker 10: conscious that we do need to do some more work

1833
01:38:59,655 --> 01:39:02,415
Speaker 10: in the space. You know, I've inherited a building code

1834
01:39:02,455 --> 01:39:05,175
Speaker 10: that's you know, very good in some respects and less

1835
01:39:05,175 --> 01:39:07,575
Speaker 10: good in others. Simply we need to work through all

1836
01:39:07,615 --> 01:39:11,295
Speaker 10: these issues. Obviously a massive problem in the summer months

1837
01:39:11,855 --> 01:39:16,055
Speaker 10: in townhouses particularly, And if it's as simple as being

1838
01:39:16,055 --> 01:39:18,255
Speaker 10: able to say that you can open or have windows

1839
01:39:18,295 --> 01:39:20,375
Speaker 10: that open to a greater extent than they currently can,

1840
01:39:20,455 --> 01:39:22,655
Speaker 10: which you know, for safety reasons, you can understand why

1841
01:39:22,655 --> 01:39:24,575
Speaker 10: you've got other rules in place as well. But maybe

1842
01:39:24,615 --> 01:39:26,255
Speaker 10: the balance is out of whack, and I think when

1843
01:39:26,295 --> 01:39:26,775
Speaker 10: need to look at it.

1844
01:39:28,175 --> 01:39:31,335
Speaker 5: Another text, what governs the extent to which councils can

1845
01:39:31,415 --> 01:39:35,455
Speaker 5: make seemingly frivolous rifis requests further information? For example, I

1846
01:39:35,535 --> 01:39:38,015
Speaker 5: recently had a drainage plan for a new build rejected

1847
01:39:38,335 --> 01:39:40,455
Speaker 5: because it wasn't on a council letterhead.

1848
01:39:41,175 --> 01:39:43,615
Speaker 10: Oh goodness, that's one of the better ones I've heard, right,

1849
01:39:44,055 --> 01:39:47,015
Speaker 10: or worse ones, probably from your correspondence perspective. But yeah,

1850
01:39:48,135 --> 01:39:50,975
Speaker 10: I suppose it is frustrating. I think the common complaint

1851
01:39:51,015 --> 01:39:53,375
Speaker 10: that I hear is not only you know, whatever the

1852
01:39:53,415 --> 01:39:57,135
Speaker 10: detail might be, but also that tradees are often quite

1853
01:39:57,295 --> 01:40:00,295
Speaker 10: nervous about pushing back to council on something that might

1854
01:40:00,335 --> 01:40:01,855
Speaker 10: seem quite from us, because they need to have a

1855
01:40:01,895 --> 01:40:05,295
Speaker 10: good ongoing relationship otherwise their next content you know, application

1856
01:40:05,375 --> 01:40:08,815
Speaker 10: will be viewed you know, askance as a result. So okay,

1857
01:40:08,895 --> 01:40:11,535
Speaker 10: so it's an argument against the monopoly, I suppose, albeit

1858
01:40:11,695 --> 01:40:13,695
Speaker 10: that you know, obviously we've got a system where the

1859
01:40:13,735 --> 01:40:16,615
Speaker 10: councilors currently are contracted out effectively to do this work.

1860
01:40:16,735 --> 01:40:19,735
Speaker 10: So there's no easy answer. But certainly that sounds a

1861
01:40:19,815 --> 01:40:21,655
Speaker 10: disappointing example. If it's what it sounds like.

1862
01:40:21,895 --> 01:40:25,935
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, just in terms of you know, I was

1863
01:40:25,975 --> 01:40:28,375
Speaker 5: going to say that there's a it's like a scatters

1864
01:40:28,895 --> 01:40:31,015
Speaker 5: it might seem like a scatter gun approach. Right, We're

1865
01:40:31,055 --> 01:40:33,855
Speaker 5: just it's whack a mole right at the moment. Solve

1866
01:40:33,935 --> 01:40:37,495
Speaker 5: this problem pauses another problem. Let's say, if we look

1867
01:40:37,575 --> 01:40:39,695
Speaker 5: forward to the next couple of months, what sort of

1868
01:40:39,855 --> 01:40:43,135
Speaker 5: definitive outcomes will we hear, Like, will we hear about

1869
01:40:43,255 --> 01:40:43,495
Speaker 5: H one?

1870
01:40:44,495 --> 01:40:47,055
Speaker 10: You'll hear about H one sooner rather than later. And

1871
01:40:47,135 --> 01:40:49,975
Speaker 10: I think we're talking, you know, weeks, but as opposed

1872
01:40:50,015 --> 01:40:52,095
Speaker 10: to months, and certainly not years. I know we need

1873
01:40:52,175 --> 01:40:55,175
Speaker 10: to bring that to a head. We've talked about granny

1874
01:40:55,175 --> 01:40:57,895
Speaker 10: flex legislation, so again within the next you know, a

1875
01:40:58,015 --> 01:41:00,735
Speaker 10: few weeks or months, there will certainly be that legislation

1876
01:41:00,815 --> 01:41:04,215
Speaker 10: available and it will start passing it. The other big

1877
01:41:04,255 --> 01:41:05,735
Speaker 10: one actually we haven't talked about, and I know it's

1878
01:41:05,735 --> 01:41:09,255
Speaker 10: probably not at the level that probably most of your

1879
01:41:09,295 --> 01:41:11,575
Speaker 10: listeners are interested in, but the other really big rock

1880
01:41:11,695 --> 01:41:15,055
Speaker 10: that we haven't talked about is seismic regulations great prayin buildings,

1881
01:41:15,335 --> 01:41:17,895
Speaker 10: and then you get into the scenario of the interaction

1882
01:41:17,975 --> 01:41:20,695
Speaker 10: between that inheritage datu swhich you know people are very

1883
01:41:20,695 --> 01:41:23,615
Speaker 10: passionate about. So that's another thing that I think we

1884
01:41:23,895 --> 01:41:26,695
Speaker 10: need to now this side of the election. And I'll

1885
01:41:26,695 --> 01:41:28,935
Speaker 10: say election not because it's a politically part as a

1886
01:41:29,015 --> 01:41:30,975
Speaker 10: matter in fact, I'm desperate do ensure that it's not,

1887
01:41:31,655 --> 01:41:33,855
Speaker 10: and you know, I've had good interactions across the political aisle,

1888
01:41:34,055 --> 01:41:36,135
Speaker 10: but just in terms of getting things done as soon

1889
01:41:36,215 --> 01:41:39,175
Speaker 10: as possible to provide people certainty in all these areas

1890
01:41:39,255 --> 01:41:40,415
Speaker 10: is going to be really important.

1891
01:41:40,615 --> 01:41:42,455
Speaker 5: Yeah, which, hey, you look to be fair, you could

1892
01:41:42,455 --> 01:41:44,375
Speaker 5: do my job, because it's a perfect way of saying

1893
01:41:44,655 --> 01:41:46,735
Speaker 5: we should come back and chat about that again in

1894
01:41:46,775 --> 01:41:50,615
Speaker 5: the future. So, Chris, thank you very very much for

1895
01:41:50,695 --> 01:41:53,055
Speaker 5: your time. Really really do appreciate you taking the time,

1896
01:41:53,095 --> 01:41:55,215
Speaker 5: particularly on a Sunday that happens to be Mother's day,

1897
01:41:55,215 --> 01:41:59,415
Speaker 5: to come in here and spend time. And yeah, I'll

1898
01:41:59,575 --> 01:42:01,695
Speaker 5: reach out to your people two people, talk to my

1899
01:42:01,855 --> 01:42:04,335
Speaker 5: people and will will arrange another interview at some stage.

1900
01:42:04,375 --> 01:42:05,095
Speaker 5: If that's okay with.

1901
01:42:05,135 --> 01:42:07,695
Speaker 10: You, Well, wonderful I that and it means I really

1902
01:42:07,735 --> 01:42:09,735
Speaker 10: appreciate it. Keep up the great work and having another

1903
01:42:09,815 --> 01:42:10,575
Speaker 10: day to wear listeners.

1904
01:42:10,655 --> 01:42:12,575
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you very much, Chris. We'll take a break

1905
01:42:12,655 --> 01:42:13,935
Speaker 5: back with rut in just a moment.

1906
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1907
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Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcamp, listen live to News Talks EDB on Sunday

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Speaker 1: mornings from six, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.