1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Devin Gray are UK correspondents with US. Hello, Gevin, Hi there. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: He so Keiostam has capitulated on the air bases. 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, we think he has. He's been under a lot 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 2: of pressure and has been for a last few weeks 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: to allow America to use a couple of the Arif 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 2: bases on which to fly long range missions. Now, originally 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: we think he was asked for use of the Royal 8 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: Air Force base at Fairford, which is in Gloucestershire, to 9 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: the west of London in the West Country, and also 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: the joint US UK base on Diego Garcia, one of 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: the Chagos Islands off in the Indian Ocean. Now he 12 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: originally declined that use about three three and a half 13 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 2: weeks ago. Now he's turned around and say, actually, yes 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: they Americans can use these bases, but only for defensive strikes. 15 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: He's calling it and he said, we've learnt the mistakes 16 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: of Iraq and the UK was not involved in the 17 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: initial strikes on Iran and will not join the offensive 18 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: action now he said. So he's caught between those more 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 2: hawkish saying he's let America down. We should have been 20 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 2: in this from the start. Others are saying he's now 21 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 2: gone and flip flopped the other way, and they don't 22 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: want Britain to become involved in any way, shape or 23 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: form of what's going on, saying, let us hear quite 24 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: clearly from the government is this legal under international law 25 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: or not? And so far all the ministers on television, radio, 26 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 2: print are all refusing to answer that single question. So 27 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: it looks like Donald Trump's got his way with the 28 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 2: use of these RIF basis for long range strikes, but 29 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: only after the start of this action in Iran. 30 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: Now, what do we know about this chep who's been 31 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: charged with the graffiti on the Sir Winston Churchill statue. 32 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: Very interesting case this because in the early hours of 33 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: the Friday there gris graffiti appearing on the very famous 34 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: Winston CHURCHI or statue. It is a couple of meat 35 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: off the ground. It actually stands in total three point 36 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: six meters and it was unveiled in nineteen seventy three 37 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: and for many people it absolutely epitomized as Winston jurch 38 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: L and everything he stood for, that very no nonsense 39 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: approach and so forth. However, over the years it has 40 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: become a target for the disaffected, and on this case 41 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 2: A thirty eight year old man called Caspar San Giorgio, 42 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: believed to come from the Netherlands but of no fixed address, 43 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: has already been arrested in by the police in London 44 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: and charged with effectively criminal damage. Now, basically what was 45 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: spread on the statue is never again is now now. 46 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: Never again of course, relates to a speech church or 47 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: made about we must never get into world wars again 48 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 2: and free Palestine and also globalized the into fathera Now 49 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: what's interesting is that the police in London made that 50 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 2: particular sentence globalized the inn Father a criminal offense, and 51 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: so he's no doubt facing charges for the damage to 52 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: the statue, which will has already been cleaned off and 53 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: there's cost thousands of dollars to do so. But also 54 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 2: if he has spray painted with red paint globalized the Interfather, 55 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: that could be a separate thing altogether. Now we don't 56 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 2: yet know what he's saying about these charges yet, but 57 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: this is all to do its thought and linked with 58 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: the arrests that have been made over support for Palestine 59 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: Action group that's been labeled as terrorist group here but 60 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: has been subject to many many protests over the last 61 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: few weeks. 62 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: Keevin, I see, apparently we've been writing a lot longer 63 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: than we thought we had. 64 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: Yes, this is a rather funny story because experts have always, 65 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: you know, begun to pin down when they think that 66 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: people started writing, or make notes as it were, making 67 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: some sort of annotations as to when we first began 68 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: talking about emotions, and they believed it to be some 69 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: five thousand years ago in ancient Iraq or Mesopotamia. However, 70 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 2: now the researchers of discerned patterns of meaning in lines, notches, 71 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 2: dots and crosses on objects like mammoth tusks in caves 72 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: in Germany, and they are forty five thousand years old, 73 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: so it completely blows the previous theory out of the water. Now, 74 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: the precise meaning of the symbols in Germany remains a mystery. 75 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: And I have to tell you here they having seen 76 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: a picture of these dots, notches, lines, crosses, I can't 77 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: see how they actually think this is somebody talking about 78 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: their thoughts and feelings, but perhaps it is. Anyway, this 79 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: has really changed the way in which people think things 80 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: are going on. Some three thousand characters on two hundred 81 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 2: and sixty objects have been uncovered in these caves. They're 82 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: calling it the DNA of writing. 83 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: Kevin, thanks very much, appreciate it. Gavin Gray are UK correspondent. 84 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to 85 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 86 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio