1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Primary teachers here back home, threatening legal action against the 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: Public Service Commission. Why non union teachers were offered a 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: pay rights around four and a half to four point 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: seven percent within twelve months, roughly the same deal currently 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: being negotiated with the union. On her first full day 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: in the job, Jenny Anderson, Labor's education spokesperson, joins us 7 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: lived any. 8 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 2: Good morning, good morning, thanks for having me on. 9 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: Nice to have you here. What's wrong with teachers getting 10 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: a pay rise? 11 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: Teachers do an amazing job every day, but this is 12 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: not going to help our kids learn, and it's just 13 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 2: going to divide teachers and make life tougher for teachers 14 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: who are already leaving and going off to Australia. 15 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: How will an extra fifty to seventy six dollars a 16 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: week in their back pocket stop them going to us? 17 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: Not stop them going to Australia. 18 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 2: This will divide teachers. 19 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 3: It's a breach of good faith. 20 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: So the way it usually happens is a collective agreement 21 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: is negotiated and then this process happens. This has been 22 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: used to divide teachers. And to be honest, if if 23 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: Erica Stanford really did put our kids first, she wouldn't 24 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 2: be pulling a stunt like this. 25 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: But they're already divided because a third of them aren't 26 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: union members. They choose not to be. That's their adults. 27 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 2: Well, what happens usually is the collective agreement is negotiated 28 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 2: and then the individual happens after that. So by doing 29 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 2: it this way, it's sue the divide's teachers. We've already 30 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: got a teacher shortage of over seven hundred teachers, and 31 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: this is not going to help our kids leave. 32 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: But how is not paying non union teachers more going 33 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: to help that shortage? 34 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: Because it undermines the existing negotiation. 35 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 1: We have to dim the one third, have to bend 36 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: over for the two third. 37 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: No, that's the way it always happens. The collective agreement 38 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: is negotiating. 39 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 4: How is that fair face bargaining to the ten thousand 40 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 4: adult primary teachers out there who decide of their own 41 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 4: free will to not be union members, why should they 42 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 4: not get a pay rise? 43 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: Now? 44 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, I. 45 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,639 Speaker 2: Hear what you're saying. I totally hear what you're saying. 46 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 2: But the way of doing this actually underlines teachers and 47 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: will pay them lease. They've been in good faith negotiations 48 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: We've heard the government say before that they should go 49 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: back to the bargaining table and keep negotiating. 50 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 3: The government should take its own jenny. 51 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: That they've teachers. The two thirds who are union members 52 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: could take this deal tomorrow too. They just choose not to. 53 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: Everyone has free will. We're all adults. The kids are 54 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: the ones that they teach. 55 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 3: They choose not to. 56 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: They choose not to because they believe they deserve better. 57 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 3: They do inspirement so. 58 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 4: They can have their beliefs. 59 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: They can go and believe in God for all I like, 60 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: But why stop the other ones? Why stop the other 61 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: ones getting the money, because. 62 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: At the end of the day it will mean least 63 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 2: pay for our teachers, and we know that. 64 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: They already get credible at least. 65 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 2: No, no, it's not I then end of the day, 66 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: it will not be more as how look more what's 67 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: being offered and what's being negotiated already these people work 68 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: incredibly hard. 69 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 4: How was fifty to seventy six dollars extra a week? 70 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: Not more? 71 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: Because they would get more under the collective if that 72 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: kept being negotiated. The long game will provide more for 73 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,399 Speaker 2: teachers and give them what they're asking for through the bargaining. 74 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 3: So this is a shortcut that gives them less. 75 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: Money and not as good conditions as what they would get. 76 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: Okay, sounds suspicious, Ginny. Appreciate your time this morning, Ginny 77 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: Anderson from Labor. 78 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 4: For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge, Listen live 79 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 4: to News Talks. It'd be from five am weekdays, or 80 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 4: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.