1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from newstalk ZEDB. 3 00:00:12,667 --> 00:00:15,987 Speaker 2: We'll come to your live from Emerson's in Dunedin. It's 4 00:00:16,387 --> 00:00:19,387 Speaker 2: absolutely humming in here. Andrew Hore has arrived. We're going 5 00:00:19,467 --> 00:00:21,347 Speaker 2: to get the chance to chat to the eighty three 6 00:00:21,427 --> 00:00:25,027 Speaker 2: Test All Blacks hooker very shortly, but it's a great 7 00:00:25,107 --> 00:00:28,547 Speaker 2: pleasure to be joined by former Otago Highlanders and All 8 00:00:28,547 --> 00:00:32,467 Speaker 2: Blacks captain Tane Randall sixty one games for the All Blacks, 9 00:00:32,507 --> 00:00:36,827 Speaker 2: including fifty one Test matches, Test captain twenty two times, 10 00:00:37,227 --> 00:00:40,747 Speaker 2: seventy seven Super Rugby games for the Highlanders, eighty three 11 00:00:40,827 --> 00:00:44,587 Speaker 2: provincial games for Otago, and the big highlight for Otago 12 00:00:44,747 --> 00:00:47,427 Speaker 2: was when he led them to the NPC First Division 13 00:00:47,507 --> 00:00:50,867 Speaker 2: title in nineteen ninety eighteen. Randal Worll, it's great to 14 00:00:50,867 --> 00:00:52,707 Speaker 2: see you mate, Thanks for stopping in. How do you 15 00:00:52,747 --> 00:00:54,867 Speaker 2: feel when you fly back into Dned in a place 16 00:00:54,907 --> 00:00:56,147 Speaker 2: which is so special to you? 17 00:00:56,787 --> 00:01:00,867 Speaker 3: Thanks for making me feel really old. Great to be here. 18 00:01:02,267 --> 00:01:03,707 Speaker 2: When you come back to Duneda and you've got so 19 00:01:03,787 --> 00:01:06,587 Speaker 2: many rugby memories here. I'm sure what's it like back 20 00:01:06,587 --> 00:01:07,907 Speaker 2: because you're based on Hawk's Bay now. 21 00:01:07,987 --> 00:01:10,147 Speaker 4: Yeah, based on my family's from there, my wife's families 22 00:01:10,187 --> 00:01:13,827 Speaker 4: from Hawk's Bay. You know, we came down here to university, 23 00:01:13,907 --> 00:01:15,627 Speaker 4: had an a mazing time live for a good dozen 24 00:01:15,747 --> 00:01:19,547 Speaker 4: years and just loved the place and got two kids 25 00:01:19,587 --> 00:01:22,507 Speaker 4: down here now right in the thick of the university 26 00:01:22,587 --> 00:01:26,587 Speaker 4: Castle Street careers. So probably spend more time down here 27 00:01:26,587 --> 00:01:29,107 Speaker 4: than I should do, but it's great when I am. 28 00:01:29,827 --> 00:01:32,387 Speaker 2: What are your what are your fondest memories of rugby 29 00:01:32,507 --> 00:01:34,147 Speaker 2: here in Dneda and down south? 30 00:01:35,187 --> 00:01:39,987 Speaker 4: I think, depending how I'm really happy of the career 31 00:01:39,987 --> 00:01:42,147 Speaker 4: I had made, Maybe because it sort of spanned amateur 32 00:01:42,707 --> 00:01:45,827 Speaker 4: sort of the first few years of professional rugby, which 33 00:01:45,867 --> 00:01:49,387 Speaker 4: was really semi professional where he got paid like professionals 34 00:01:49,427 --> 00:01:55,027 Speaker 4: but trained like semi amateurs, and then you know, going 35 00:01:55,027 --> 00:01:58,587 Speaker 4: through to fully professional I really really appreciated and it 36 00:01:58,627 --> 00:01:59,427 Speaker 4: was a bitter was it worse? 37 00:01:59,427 --> 00:02:00,107 Speaker 3: It was just different. 38 00:02:01,067 --> 00:02:04,027 Speaker 4: And I think when I when I look back, you 39 00:02:04,107 --> 00:02:07,227 Speaker 4: make a lot of friends playing rugby, the closest friends 40 00:02:07,227 --> 00:02:10,027 Speaker 4: I've got at the university friends and also the ones 41 00:02:10,027 --> 00:02:12,107 Speaker 4: who molso in the amateur days where you sort of 42 00:02:12,267 --> 00:02:15,947 Speaker 4: did things because you're passionate about it. And that's what 43 00:02:15,987 --> 00:02:19,467 Speaker 4: I'm really really contrasted to when I'm playing over the London. 44 00:02:19,667 --> 00:02:21,107 Speaker 3: By the time I'd finished Ragby. 45 00:02:21,027 --> 00:02:25,067 Speaker 4: Was my perspective was very very professional, and you became 46 00:02:25,187 --> 00:02:29,467 Speaker 4: workmates is rather than you know, really good friends. So 47 00:02:29,707 --> 00:02:31,787 Speaker 4: when I come down here, I catch up with the people, 48 00:02:32,187 --> 00:02:34,027 Speaker 4: as I say, I used to flat with, you go 49 00:02:34,187 --> 00:02:35,347 Speaker 4: through all that sort of stuff I used to play 50 00:02:35,387 --> 00:02:39,547 Speaker 4: rugby with. And you know, my wife puts a limit 51 00:02:39,627 --> 00:02:41,227 Speaker 4: on how many times I come down, and I usually 52 00:02:41,227 --> 00:02:41,907 Speaker 4: whant to do come down. 53 00:02:41,947 --> 00:02:43,827 Speaker 3: It takes a few months to get over. But anyway, 54 00:02:44,387 --> 00:02:45,227 Speaker 3: great to be here. 55 00:02:45,707 --> 00:02:47,427 Speaker 2: It's great to have you here just before we move 56 00:02:47,467 --> 00:02:50,227 Speaker 2: on and look at this game tonight. That that move 57 00:02:50,307 --> 00:02:53,187 Speaker 2: from amateur to professional or semi professional as you call it, 58 00:02:53,907 --> 00:02:55,427 Speaker 2: you know that to spend across the back end of 59 00:02:55,467 --> 00:02:57,987 Speaker 2: the nineties and MPC was still big too, wasn't it. 60 00:02:58,027 --> 00:03:01,027 Speaker 2: Otago was still you know what was that a team 61 00:03:01,107 --> 00:03:03,267 Speaker 2: you enjoyed still playing for even though the Highlanders were 62 00:03:03,267 --> 00:03:03,587 Speaker 2: there too. 63 00:03:03,787 --> 00:03:07,827 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know I enjoyed playing for me both the 64 00:03:07,907 --> 00:03:09,667 Speaker 3: Tiger and the Highness. It was seamless. 65 00:03:12,467 --> 00:03:13,987 Speaker 4: You know, a lot of the same guys played in 66 00:03:14,107 --> 00:03:17,787 Speaker 4: both teams. I couldn't say I enjoyed one more not. 67 00:03:17,987 --> 00:03:21,547 Speaker 4: I just loved them both. And you know my wife 68 00:03:21,627 --> 00:03:22,947 Speaker 4: to Ah, would you do the same thing I do 69 00:03:23,027 --> 00:03:25,027 Speaker 4: it if given the same, given the chance, I do 70 00:03:25,227 --> 00:03:26,347 Speaker 4: everything the same. 71 00:03:26,627 --> 00:03:28,347 Speaker 3: If I could say yeah, I. 72 00:03:28,427 --> 00:03:29,867 Speaker 2: Love that, or I lest look at the game tonight. 73 00:03:29,907 --> 00:03:31,267 Speaker 2: How do you feel about the all black side that's 74 00:03:31,307 --> 00:03:33,787 Speaker 2: been named in particular? I mean the loose forwards are interesting, 75 00:03:33,907 --> 00:03:36,907 Speaker 2: right too? Plevited to six, Artie Savita seven, Christian Leo 76 00:03:36,987 --> 00:03:38,747 Speaker 2: Willie will Day boo at eight for a couple of 77 00:03:38,867 --> 00:03:40,067 Speaker 2: loosers on the bench, how do you how. 78 00:03:40,027 --> 00:03:40,667 Speaker 1: Do you like the mix? 79 00:03:41,307 --> 00:03:43,787 Speaker 4: To be perfectly honest, I mean, I've never been this 80 00:03:44,067 --> 00:03:45,947 Speaker 4: I haven't been this excited about an all back team 81 00:03:46,067 --> 00:03:50,787 Speaker 4: for a long while. It seems to me, finally, after 82 00:03:50,787 --> 00:03:52,867 Speaker 4: a number of years, they've actually picked a team with 83 00:03:52,907 --> 00:03:55,467 Speaker 4: a strategy in mind of how they want to play 84 00:03:55,507 --> 00:03:57,427 Speaker 4: and what they want to do, rather than picking the 85 00:03:57,507 --> 00:04:00,467 Speaker 4: best players and putting them in the team. Probably the 86 00:04:00,547 --> 00:04:04,067 Speaker 4: best example back but Boden Barrett was World Player of 87 00:04:04,107 --> 00:04:07,547 Speaker 4: the Year twice at first five. So what do we do, Well, 88 00:04:07,587 --> 00:04:09,587 Speaker 4: we're two good first fives. We'll put them at fullback 89 00:04:09,627 --> 00:04:13,107 Speaker 4: to fit everyone in. Now Ardie Save and Sam Caine. 90 00:04:13,347 --> 00:04:15,947 Speaker 4: We had two worlds, in my opinion, to world class 91 00:04:16,027 --> 00:04:20,107 Speaker 4: number sevens, and rather than making a really brave call 92 00:04:20,227 --> 00:04:25,147 Speaker 4: of you know, choosing the best loose forward combination, they 93 00:04:25,267 --> 00:04:26,467 Speaker 4: chose to put them both in the team. 94 00:04:26,627 --> 00:04:27,507 Speaker 3: And d'gan mirror they. 95 00:04:27,467 --> 00:04:31,267 Speaker 4: Both played really well alredy fantastic, but as I don't 96 00:04:31,267 --> 00:04:33,147 Speaker 4: think they played it as a combination as well as 97 00:04:33,187 --> 00:04:36,347 Speaker 4: they could have. And you know, for for most, for 98 00:04:36,467 --> 00:04:38,587 Speaker 4: most teams, when you you know, the All Blacks are 99 00:04:38,627 --> 00:04:41,707 Speaker 4: putting the best players on, it's good enough to beat 100 00:04:41,907 --> 00:04:42,667 Speaker 4: most teams. 101 00:04:42,467 --> 00:04:42,867 Speaker 3: In the world. 102 00:04:43,427 --> 00:04:46,147 Speaker 4: But when you're in South Africa or front of your 103 00:04:46,187 --> 00:04:48,467 Speaker 4: top two or three four teams, and Iland were not. 104 00:04:48,587 --> 00:04:51,147 Speaker 4: We weren't good enough to do that. And that's been 105 00:04:51,187 --> 00:04:53,347 Speaker 4: proven over the last number of years. And so you know, 106 00:04:53,667 --> 00:04:57,907 Speaker 4: I still know the Richie mccare, Karen Reed, Jerome Cano, 107 00:04:58,347 --> 00:05:01,827 Speaker 4: the combination of one plus one plus one equals twenty 108 00:05:02,267 --> 00:05:04,507 Speaker 4: the way you know, they just had a fantastic combination. 109 00:05:04,867 --> 00:05:08,467 Speaker 4: I think fetching Hart, hard working defensive seven, a ball 110 00:05:08,547 --> 00:05:11,227 Speaker 4: playing eight, you know, a big strong man at six 111 00:05:11,547 --> 00:05:11,947 Speaker 4: or thereof. 112 00:05:12,147 --> 00:05:14,307 Speaker 3: We've sort of hadn't done that for the last five 113 00:05:14,427 --> 00:05:14,947 Speaker 3: or six years. 114 00:05:14,947 --> 00:05:17,587 Speaker 4: And I see, you know, with with Ardie at seven 115 00:05:18,627 --> 00:05:22,227 Speaker 4: Lear Williets artist is a fantastic He's a fantastic over 116 00:05:22,267 --> 00:05:24,707 Speaker 4: the ball and his great running Willie Willie big work 117 00:05:24,827 --> 00:05:28,067 Speaker 4: rate defensively and there is some risk with to purvey 118 00:05:28,507 --> 00:05:31,747 Speaker 4: on on on the blind side, but you know, he 119 00:05:32,267 --> 00:05:36,947 Speaker 4: fits physically the description of a number six in terms 120 00:05:36,987 --> 00:05:39,267 Speaker 4: of really I don't given that, I believe we've got 121 00:05:39,267 --> 00:05:40,227 Speaker 4: the sort of seven. 122 00:05:39,987 --> 00:05:42,067 Speaker 3: And eight role in place. 123 00:05:42,227 --> 00:05:45,267 Speaker 4: He fits the description of what competes at combination. So 124 00:05:46,667 --> 00:05:49,987 Speaker 4: I love Elus for trio just the fact that they've 125 00:05:50,067 --> 00:05:53,587 Speaker 4: chosen a combination and the same way with Billy Procter 126 00:05:53,707 --> 00:05:54,627 Speaker 4: and at center. 127 00:05:54,787 --> 00:05:56,587 Speaker 3: You know where I think about key roles, what is it? 128 00:05:56,627 --> 00:05:57,227 Speaker 3: What is this center? 129 00:05:57,307 --> 00:05:57,787 Speaker 1: Do you know? 130 00:05:58,147 --> 00:06:01,947 Speaker 4: In New Zealand overseas teams fair outside wingers. 131 00:06:01,987 --> 00:06:04,227 Speaker 3: You know, we've historically had strike. 132 00:06:03,987 --> 00:06:07,467 Speaker 4: Wingers who just you know, get the ball and cause damage. 133 00:06:07,827 --> 00:06:10,307 Speaker 4: They're not high work rate little guys that big impact 134 00:06:10,627 --> 00:06:15,467 Speaker 4: winger Joan Olomu, Sibvatu, the whole, just big impact wingers. 135 00:06:15,507 --> 00:06:18,387 Speaker 4: And with Riccon he's a winger to me. But the 136 00:06:18,547 --> 00:06:21,187 Speaker 4: core role of the center two things I believe. Firstly, 137 00:06:21,307 --> 00:06:24,867 Speaker 4: defensive organization. Billy Proctor's got that now Rico is a 138 00:06:24,907 --> 00:06:28,067 Speaker 4: great defender one on one, big hitter, but in terms 139 00:06:28,107 --> 00:06:31,147 Speaker 4: of organization, he's not Frank, but he's not Conrad Smith. 140 00:06:31,267 --> 00:06:33,147 Speaker 4: And that's what I think Bellieve procter Us and the 141 00:06:33,227 --> 00:06:35,907 Speaker 4: other key one. The key role, as I see the 142 00:06:35,987 --> 00:06:40,307 Speaker 4: center is get the ball to our wingers. With Rico, 143 00:06:40,467 --> 00:06:44,827 Speaker 4: he's devastate, played incredibly well, but I guess the issue 144 00:06:44,867 --> 00:06:46,947 Speaker 4: we had there. He he'd do really well in the 145 00:06:46,947 --> 00:06:49,067 Speaker 4: midfield in terms of making breaks, but we never saw 146 00:06:49,147 --> 00:06:51,267 Speaker 4: our wingers as much as we should have. I'm hoping 147 00:06:51,627 --> 00:06:56,387 Speaker 4: that tonight, with you know, Billy at center and Rico 148 00:06:56,427 --> 00:06:58,907 Speaker 4: on the wing, that Rico gets at least three tries 149 00:06:59,107 --> 00:07:00,307 Speaker 4: because we're getting the ball to the wing. 150 00:07:00,787 --> 00:07:04,427 Speaker 2: This is just outstanding, and ellisis honestly, this is just brilliant. 151 00:07:04,427 --> 00:07:06,587 Speaker 2: I just writing all of this down for you during 152 00:07:06,627 --> 00:07:09,387 Speaker 2: the commentary later on. The all backs are up against 153 00:07:09,427 --> 00:07:11,547 Speaker 2: the side they should be comfortably. We know France haven't 154 00:07:11,947 --> 00:07:14,307 Speaker 2: haven't sent anywhere close to what is their top side 155 00:07:14,547 --> 00:07:16,387 Speaker 2: as an all black and an all black side. How 156 00:07:16,387 --> 00:07:18,347 Speaker 2: do you approach a game like that when it could 157 00:07:18,387 --> 00:07:20,347 Speaker 2: be a bit of a no win situation. Really, if 158 00:07:20,347 --> 00:07:22,987 Speaker 2: you wouldn't, you're supposed to. If you don't when convincingly, 159 00:07:23,227 --> 00:07:25,187 Speaker 2: you probably get you know, some bad headlines. 160 00:07:25,427 --> 00:07:29,747 Speaker 4: Yeah, and in a funny way. Okay, the top teams, 161 00:07:29,827 --> 00:07:31,907 Speaker 4: it's going to take a lot of edge off the series. 162 00:07:33,267 --> 00:07:35,107 Speaker 4: But I when I look at the All Backs team 163 00:07:35,147 --> 00:07:36,787 Speaker 4: what they've known, it's actually a great opportuny that the 164 00:07:36,827 --> 00:07:38,067 Speaker 4: French team are going to be difficult. 165 00:07:38,067 --> 00:07:40,907 Speaker 3: What they've done. They've chosen some big, big fours. 166 00:07:40,947 --> 00:07:43,867 Speaker 4: It's going to be a physical battle and I think 167 00:07:43,987 --> 00:07:48,027 Speaker 4: that's you know, I think from our given the way 168 00:07:49,027 --> 00:07:51,707 Speaker 4: that I think the All Backs have changed strategic direction 169 00:07:52,267 --> 00:07:56,747 Speaker 4: in a way. Yeah, maybe not as impactful a series, 170 00:07:56,947 --> 00:07:59,387 Speaker 4: but I think the long run, if we can get 171 00:07:59,427 --> 00:08:01,027 Speaker 4: a really good run at these guys, and they will 172 00:08:01,067 --> 00:08:03,787 Speaker 4: be difficult, it'll be a hard there. Guy's going to 173 00:08:03,787 --> 00:08:06,827 Speaker 4: get battered in this game, it'll be quite a good 174 00:08:07,747 --> 00:08:09,747 Speaker 4: we may look back and go Actually, that was quite 175 00:08:09,747 --> 00:08:11,467 Speaker 4: a good series for us to really kick start the 176 00:08:11,507 --> 00:08:13,707 Speaker 4: way that Scott Robertson and etc. 177 00:08:14,147 --> 00:08:15,107 Speaker 3: Have chosen to go. 178 00:08:15,787 --> 00:08:18,987 Speaker 2: Just before you go, mentioned Jonah before that test in 179 00:08:19,067 --> 00:08:21,667 Speaker 2: two thousand in Sydney, one hundred and ten thousand people. 180 00:08:22,227 --> 00:08:24,827 Speaker 2: Your pass to Jonah to send him away for the 181 00:08:24,867 --> 00:08:28,987 Speaker 2: winning try where does that rank among your favorite rugby moments. 182 00:08:30,427 --> 00:08:32,187 Speaker 3: That would be up there. He never did thank me 183 00:08:32,347 --> 00:08:33,507 Speaker 3: for setting him up, and. 184 00:08:37,027 --> 00:08:39,627 Speaker 4: I jonah, we played at school so all the way 185 00:08:39,667 --> 00:08:41,427 Speaker 4: through under sixties and that sort of stuff. 186 00:08:41,427 --> 00:08:42,347 Speaker 3: He was just phenomenal. 187 00:08:42,587 --> 00:08:46,627 Speaker 4: I as I said, I loved every moment of my 188 00:08:46,947 --> 00:08:49,827 Speaker 4: rugby career, but that game, especially given that you know, 189 00:08:49,987 --> 00:08:52,027 Speaker 4: Ossie with a world champion a little bit to make up, 190 00:08:52,067 --> 00:08:54,987 Speaker 4: I've been dropped as the All Black captain and it 191 00:08:55,147 --> 00:08:57,547 Speaker 4: was just a phenomenal game. And the fact people are 192 00:08:57,547 --> 00:08:59,707 Speaker 4: still talking about it twenty odd years later, and not 193 00:08:59,867 --> 00:09:02,387 Speaker 4: just New Zealand as others as well, I think shows 194 00:09:02,387 --> 00:09:06,227 Speaker 4: the impact that that game had to be a you know, 195 00:09:06,387 --> 00:09:08,587 Speaker 4: at the time we were and fantastics only. 196 00:09:08,667 --> 00:09:13,027 Speaker 3: I guess I didn't really think it took a lot longer. 197 00:09:13,067 --> 00:09:16,627 Speaker 4: I think afterwards maybe the Bears have dim the memories, 198 00:09:16,667 --> 00:09:18,747 Speaker 4: but that makes it one stick out more. 199 00:09:19,547 --> 00:09:21,027 Speaker 3: But I'm very proud of have done that. 200 00:09:21,227 --> 00:09:23,307 Speaker 4: And yeah, as I say, it was, it was a great, 201 00:09:23,467 --> 00:09:27,067 Speaker 4: great occasion and yeah we're still talking about now, so 202 00:09:27,227 --> 00:09:28,667 Speaker 4: that can't be too too bad. 203 00:09:28,787 --> 00:09:31,147 Speaker 2: Absolutely right, Tane. It's great to have you stopping here 204 00:09:31,187 --> 00:09:33,427 Speaker 2: at Emerson's to chat to us, enjoy the game tonight, 205 00:09:33,467 --> 00:09:37,267 Speaker 2: really appreciate your time. Chess A's Tane Randall among the 206 00:09:37,347 --> 00:09:40,147 Speaker 2: patrons here at Emerson's. Everywhere you look you see somebody 207 00:09:40,227 --> 00:09:43,347 Speaker 2: with a bit of rugby history. Great to have Tane 208 00:09:43,587 --> 00:09:44,587 Speaker 2: Randall join us. 209 00:09:44,627 --> 00:09:47,747 Speaker 1: It is for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. 210 00:09:47,947 --> 00:09:51,147 Speaker 1: Listen live to News Talk said B weekends from midday, 211 00:09:51,467 --> 00:09:53,547 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.