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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your

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Speaker 1: one of a kind on.

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Speaker 2: The Huddle with us. This evening we have Jordan Williams

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Speaker 2: Taxpayers Union, Jack Tame, host of Q and A and

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Speaker 2: Saturday Mornings on News Talks. He'd be highlights, Jordan, how

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Speaker 2: are you liking that Amazon deal? Now?

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Speaker 3: Your your interviews today was like, it is just great

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Speaker 3: that things should go viral. You can just imagine it.

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Speaker 3: You know, some twenty something comms grad writing BS comms

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Speaker 3: for Amazon not used to you know, someone asking basic

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Speaker 3: questions to think that you could rehete a seven and

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Speaker 3: a half billion dollar announcement. You announced what was it

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Speaker 3: four years ago with with our deur and having not

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Speaker 3: spent a cent and not give you a time frame

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Speaker 3: when they're actually going to spend the money, and the

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Speaker 3: money is actually just bringing their own computers in their

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Speaker 3: own software over. It wasn't create a thousand jobs, it

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Speaker 3: was a support one thousands.

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Speaker 2: Are you not insulted though that they looked at New

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Speaker 2: Zealand and they went, oh that's stupid. They won't even

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Speaker 2: ask any questions.

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Speaker 3: If you hear it, it's so good on your part

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Speaker 3: not to not to fuddle in your.

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Speaker 2: Poet Jack, Are you insulted?

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm insulted. I mean it was

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Speaker 4: it was pretty remarkable. I mean, I will echo Jordan's

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Speaker 4: praise either. I thought it was a fantastic interview and

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Speaker 4: just cut straight to the heart of the issue. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I actually find it pretty extraordinary that Christopher Luxen was

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Speaker 4: prepared to put himself in a position celebrating this thing,

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Speaker 4: given the level of scrutiny that was likely to follow. Like,

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Speaker 4: it didn't don't take this the wrong way, but it

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Speaker 4: didn't take like vast scrutinies to actually get a better

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Speaker 4: picture of what was happening. Right, You just asked those

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Speaker 4: all important, very basic questions like have you built data centers?

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Speaker 4: How many data centers? How many people have actually been employed?

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Speaker 4: And I think we were able to work things out

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Speaker 4: pretty quickly. But yeah, certainly not the economic injection that

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Speaker 4: at first reading the headlines might have suggested it was

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Speaker 4: supposed to be okay.

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Speaker 2: So then what has gone wrong here? Jordan? Why why

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Speaker 2: has Chris like and gone out and done something as

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Speaker 2: kind of I don't I don't want to be unkind,

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Speaker 2: and but as stupid as this.

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Speaker 3: I suspect on the official SPATA or the government's depart

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Speaker 3: It's just lack of due diligence. I mean, we live

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Speaker 3: in a world. But I've had a theory on this.

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Speaker 3: Actually I reckon you know how in the nineties the

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Speaker 3: power shifted to HR I reckon the like, and for

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Speaker 3: our generation, it's powers shifted to comm's apartments. And so

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Speaker 3: it's all just about fields and bs and recons rather

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Speaker 3: than actually, you know, numbers and truth and because the

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Speaker 3: idea we're going to send that half billion, but you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to give you a time frame here there,

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Speaker 3: and you know we'll support not creating a thousand jobs.

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Speaker 3: You're supporting a thousand jobs. Well on that basis, you know,

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Speaker 3: so do you and I. You know, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: spend a million dollars on food at the rest of

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Speaker 3: my lifetime. You're an amazing My organization, you know stopped

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Speaker 3: the capital gains tax under the ARDNA. Well you know,

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Speaker 3: you know we've you know, we've helped get boosted by

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Speaker 3: the economy by fifty billion dollars. You know, I mean,

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Speaker 3: there's just no.

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Speaker 4: No I think something can I suggest though that I

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Speaker 4: mean clearly this government has tied economic growth to its

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Speaker 4: success or failure, right, Like, this is the messaging over

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Speaker 4: the last couple of years has been growth, growth, growth, growth, growth.

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Speaker 4: This is supposed to be the year of growth. You

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Speaker 4: can understand when we're on the ninth might as you

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Speaker 4: hang on this is this is this is a ligne

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Speaker 4: with growth. Everyone's been moaning it's been a miserable here's

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Speaker 4: a great economic headline we can get out there. We

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Speaker 4: can show that New Zealand's edgy and yeah we're up

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Speaker 4: with all this tech AI stuff, data centers. Who's seven

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Speaker 4: point five birty and that's a big number. Here we

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Speaker 4: go next minute that interview. So yeah, I just think

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Speaker 4: it's almost like a case of he doth protest too much?

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Speaker 4: You know, the PM is so desperately trying to urge everyone.

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Speaker 4: They're actually, you know, economic conditions are turning. We are

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Speaker 4: seeing the first green shoots that you can see why

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Speaker 4: they might be produced by this kind of message a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, jack your offsa. It's actually a continuation of the

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Speaker 3: last government. A common strategy is not a public policy strategy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know what I'm going to agree with

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Speaker 2: like there is too much of a mirroring going on here,

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Speaker 2: Like it feels too just into our do in this

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Speaker 2: I just quickly ask you, Jack, what the hell is

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Speaker 2: going on with Tamaki Makota that there's hardly anybody voting?

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Speaker 2: Is it because they're all down at Nadawa here?

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Speaker 4: Nah? I think it's just like combination of factors by election,

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Speaker 4: mid term kind of mayor people not that engaged with politics. Also,

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Speaker 4: the hoardings are kind of competing for space with local

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Speaker 4: body government. So I was talking to the candidates the

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Speaker 4: And I was like, no, no, no different election. This

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Speaker 4: elections in six weeks. So yeah. I also think the

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Speaker 4: that it's kind of a very tricky electric to get

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Speaker 4: an election. But yeah, the numbers so far for early

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Speaker 4: voting are absolutely woeful. So turn out certainly going to

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Speaker 2: It's not good. I actually, Jordan, I want to come

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Speaker 2: back to you on that.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the global

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back of the huddle, Jordan Williams and Jack Tame. Jordan,

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Speaker 2: what I want to know from you is in the

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Speaker 2: by election, does a low turnout favor Labor or the

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Speaker 2: Marti Party? Do you think?

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Speaker 3: Well? I mean, you know, it's it's pretty embarrassing for

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Speaker 3: if Pennant loses thus, it's going to be seriously embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: Whereas you know, the poor old Marty Party, you know,

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Speaker 3: not having their own Marias the stuff sorry to be

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Speaker 3: a polling boost. It's clearly having a real impact. We

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Speaker 3: shall you know, when is it Saturday? It's we should

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Speaker 3: get the interim results. So do they not? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I can't wait. Going to get the popcorn out now, Jack.

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Speaker 2: The Aussies can keep that neo Nazi.

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Speaker 4: Can't they yeah, but whether or not they will there's

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Speaker 2: But what if he's an AUSSI citizen. It's understood. So

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Speaker 2: then yeah, they have to keep them, don't they.

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Speaker 4: So that so that they doesn't get five oh one.

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Speaker 4: I mean, maybe they do. I mean I can recall,

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Speaker 4: haven't there been occasions in the past like where Australia

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Speaker 4: it was just different people.

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Speaker 2: It was ISIS stuff, and that was pretty way out there.

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Speaker 4: Well I think that was actually, I mean, I think

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Speaker 4: that was a terrible move the ISIS situation on behalf

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Speaker 4: of the Australians. But I'm sure it would be an

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Speaker 4: extremely political, politically popular move if they were to send

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Speaker 4: way of doing that. I would just say that if

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Speaker 2: Oh, you do a little do a little racist.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think? Of course, you can't renounce

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Speaker 3: someone citizenship and leave them state less. But in this case,

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Speaker 3: if it is a dual citizenship, but it's a really

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Speaker 3: easy solution, we should get in there first.

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Speaker 2: Actually, this is not a stupid idea. Children who would

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Speaker 2: thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: You know you're puddling in my pocket, are not stupid?

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Speaker 2: Jordan? Who's the minister?

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Speaker 4: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Erka? Because she gets things done? We could just petition it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe you can.

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Speaker 4: Might be d i A for something like that.

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Speaker 3: Well, you didn't do that without the minister's approval or

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now did you see Jack, what happened at the

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Speaker 2: day care in Sydney?

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Speaker 4: Now standing outstanding? So how old was the kids?

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Speaker 2: Not sure? But a toddler, So toddler's anything I would

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Speaker 2: think up to two, so between sort of like six months. Well,

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Speaker 2: sways one to two, so let's say eighteen months.

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Speaker 4: See, I feel like if it was a really young baby,

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Speaker 4: then I'm more sympathetic to Grandpa picking the wrong baby, right,

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Speaker 4: I know, well no, you know the new thing that

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Speaker 4: that all new parents there, they think their kid is

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Speaker 3: Anyway, the most beautiful.

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Speaker 4: The question, though, I mean, it's easy to bag on Grandpa.

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Speaker 4: It's definitely a faux par on his behalf. He's probably

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Speaker 4: not getting pick up duties again, But what about the

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Speaker 4: daintier's role in all of this? But shouldn't they have

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Speaker 2: But old on Jack? Nobody expects like not which day

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Speaker 2: care expects Grandpa to pick up the wrong kid? Like

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Speaker 2: you're not screening?

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Speaker 1: Are you?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: One?

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Speaker 2: When we pick up we mate from Kendy, they don't

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Speaker 2: go hold on a tack which just make sure, no,

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Speaker 2: that's that's your one off. You go expect me to

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Speaker 2: get that right?

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Speaker 1: Could?

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Speaker 2: Lord Jorden, Can you imagine though, what the mum like?

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Speaker 2: Imagine how angry mum is that granddad today?

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Speaker 3: She is livid? Isn't she the only one to hear?

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Speaker 3: Those people that make this should have gone to speak savors. Ads. Oh,

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Speaker 3: this is absolutely the question I have is did did

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Speaker 3: he drive baby high?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: This is the problem is he was so he was

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Speaker 2: so constant, he was concentrating so intently on getting the

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Speaker 2: flipping car seat working properly, he didn't bother to look

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Speaker 2: at baby's face.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it was a ruse. So because he never now

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Speaker 3: has to do any preschool pick up, this is.

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Speaker 2: Called this is called weaponized incompetence. And don't pretend that

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Speaker 2: you boys don't do it children, because we.

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Speaker 3: Know you do. Taking it to a level that's at

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Speaker 3: least that Yeah, better to call which one's the dryer,

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Speaker 3: Which one's the washing machine?

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Speaker 2: Oh you heard that story? Oh Lord, here we go.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to pay for that tonight, guys, Thanks very much, Jack, James,

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Speaker 2: Jordan Williams the huddle. If you haven't heard that story,

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Speaker 2: that is the phone call that I fielded. And let's

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Speaker 2: say we're dining out on that one. Now.

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