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Speaker 1: Twenty one away from.

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Speaker 1: That's this evening. We have David Farrell of Kiwi Blog

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Speaker 1: and Curier obviously, and then Rob Campbell, aut Chancellor, former

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Speaker 1: House New Zealand Chair.

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Speaker 2: Hell are you too?

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Speaker 3: Hello?

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Speaker 1: Happy new year?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: What do you reckon on the old uniforms, David? Because

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Speaker 1: you must be about that stage in your parenthood where

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Speaker 1: you're buying them now.

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Speaker 4: We have brought them because of the primary school we

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Speaker 4: moved to last year has them and lot they do

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Speaker 4: them the school quite well because they do have uniform requirements,

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Speaker 4: but only the shuit has to be school logoed, so

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Speaker 4: the black pence or black shorts, gimbai from the warehouse etc.

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Speaker 4: So they've got clearly moderate policy. I think children's good.

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Speaker 3: I will just say that.

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Speaker 4: That Articus compellain. No one should have to pay two

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Speaker 4: thousand bucks on school uniform. I would just say if

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Speaker 4: parents in more choice about what schools they would go to,

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Speaker 4: that might put some pressure on schools not to make

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Speaker 4: into a money more. If you've got two good schools

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Speaker 4: nearby and one tough three hundred bucks uniform and one

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Speaker 4: a thousand that would actually be a factor, but most

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Speaker 4: people can't choose one school get to go to.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: What do you make, Rob, what do you make of

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Speaker 1: banning it like Finland?

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Speaker 3: Well, no one's ever taken storial advice off me hither,

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Speaker 3: and I'm pretty much a jeans and T shirt uniformal occasion. Rob.

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Speaker 1: I've seen your bomber jacket as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I do tend to wear quite a lot

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Speaker 3: of aut branded gear, but that's by way of choice,

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Speaker 3: and I certainly wouldn't insist that our students do that.

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Speaker 3: So look, I'm pretty much to be free wheeling on this.

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Speaker 3: I frankly be part of banning the gang patches. Maybe

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Speaker 3: we should allow them Ungle Mom to wear what they

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Speaker 3: want to and all our kids at school to wear

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Speaker 3: what they want to too. Let's broaden it all out

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Speaker 3: of it.

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Speaker 4: Loads the kids don't wear gang patches.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. I don't know the plenty of schools, David,

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Speaker 3: and you would know this. I'm sure there'd be plenty

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Speaker 4: You want to be eaten up in some areas if

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Speaker 3: So yah, yeah, I think you know some of those,

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Speaker 3: some of those big private schools, that will be just.

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Speaker 1: Rob, You've just convinced me. Just for the sake of

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Speaker 1: the children not getting beaten up because they're hanging a

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Speaker 1: blue flag out their their backside, I think for that

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Speaker 1: reason will keep them in the uniforms. Actually, now, David,

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Speaker 1: the big news today obviously is that the government is

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Speaker 1: clearly signaling it wants to take over this investigation into

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Speaker 1: the landslip in Mount Monganui. Can you do you see

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Speaker 1: any merit in totaling a city council continuing with.

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Speaker 4: Their own no. Zero. What they should do is cooperate

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Speaker 4: jointly decide on who gets appointed, whether it's one or

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Speaker 4: two people. But absolutely it should be a joint approach

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Speaker 4: rather than yeah two superme inquiry for dinner.

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's exactly what's happening.

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Speaker 4: Rob.

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, I don't want to be just

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Speaker 3: terms of this specific question, there's a whole lot of

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Speaker 3: And how are we responding to that, I'd like to

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Speaker 1: Rob. I still want to see if there is a

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Speaker 1: deficiency by the council, if the council has done something

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Speaker 1: to make this worse, if the Council has failed to respond,

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Speaker 1: if one one one has failed to respond, whatever, I

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Speaker 1: a mistake was made. Would you like to see that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? And when I said a council should do the review,

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure as the council should do it. There

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Speaker 3: should be a councilor specific one, is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: It may be that it's better to have an external

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Speaker 3: as well. And it's two different sorts of people that

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Speaker 3: really should do that with you open all.

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Speaker 1: Right, good stuff listen, David. I'm coming to you next

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Speaker 1: on why why everyone's loving Winston? So get your answer ready.

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Speaker 1: We'll come back to that.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand. Southby's International Realty, a name

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Speaker 2: you can trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're back with the huddle, David Pharaoh, Rob Campbell, right,

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Speaker 1: David So In the last couple of polls that we've

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Speaker 1: had one today, Winston Peters is on the up. What's

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Speaker 4: Two factors? One lot. Globally, populist parties are doing very well.

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Speaker 4: In fact, in Australia, Pauling Hanson's now ahead of the coalition,

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Speaker 4: smart minor party politics. The major parties have to focus

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Speaker 4: all the other issues. And Winston's the master at being

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Speaker 4: coming out with of course not going to pull out

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Speaker 4: So partly Winston's playing a smart game for he's not

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Speaker 1: David, why is it that around the world all of

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Speaker 4: Because too many governments have failed to deliver? I actually

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Speaker 4: think the biggest challenge both labor and national have in

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Speaker 4: New Zealand is to keep faith that government can deliver

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Speaker 4: on their promises. But in Europe especially, too often people

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Speaker 4: have seen it doesn't matter who you vote for. The

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Speaker 4: uncontrolled immigration as opposed to controlled immigration has been a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Rob, what are your thoughts on it? Because

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Speaker 1: it seems to me the first thing that struck me

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Speaker 1: when I saw this as but he's been in government

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Speaker 3: I've got to declear a bit of a bias. How

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Speaker 3: I've got a conflict of interest. I just came back

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Speaker 3: on the way Hicky Fairy using Winston's gold card and

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it very much, So I've got to be

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Speaker 3: a bit kf. But you know, when I think about

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Speaker 3: was asked why he supported the Social Democrats, he said,

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Speaker 3: And that is pretty much how Winston approaches his partners

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a fair point to make, now, David, we

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Speaker 5: started the show talking about this homeward bound survey that

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Speaker 5: shows twenty five percent of young boys and when I

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Speaker 1: Twenty five percent of them don't even have a single friend.

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Speaker 1: What is going on with you guys?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well look yeah either former Vice pres of Internet

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Speaker 4: And yeah, it's the father of two boys, and I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very good of you.

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Speaker 3: I would worry like hell. I would worry like hell

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Speaker 3: to get into David about polls, but I would really

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Speaker 3: my obs of young people, particularly young men. There are

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Speaker 3: mental health of particularly young men, but young young people generally.

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Speaker 3: But I'd just be a bit careful about picking up

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Speaker 3: on these specific aspects of this, which, yeah, I'm just

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Speaker 3: not sure you're completely right.

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, listen, it's been wonderful to have you back

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Speaker 1: on the show. Thank you very much for your time's

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