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Speaker 2: Hello youat good afternoon. Welcome into the Sunday edition of

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Speaker 2: Weekend Sport on News Talks HEADB. September one, first day

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Speaker 2: of spring. Happy birthday to broadcasting icon Keith Quinn. Happy

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Speaker 2: Father's Day as well. I'm Jason Pine, Show producer Anny McDonald.

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Speaker 2: We're on your radio, talking sport until three and a

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Speaker 2: spring box.

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Speaker 3: Tromp ten points down, Tromp back and beat the York

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Speaker 3: Place Jenny.

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Speaker 4: One twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: Bruising Test match in joe Burg this morning. The All

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Speaker 2: Black scored four tries to three. They led by ten

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Speaker 2: with twelve to go, but last thirty one twenty seven,

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Speaker 2: with South Africa scoring two late converted tries while New

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Speaker 2: Zealand had a man in the bin. All Black's assistant

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Speaker 2: coach Jason Holland shortly a South African viewpoint with rugby

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Speaker 2: journo Mark Keohane after one some of the postmatch thoughts

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Speaker 2: of a couple of All Blacks players two and your

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Speaker 2: reaction obviously to what played out at Allis Park this morning.

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Speaker 2: Lines open immediately as we unpack this test match. Other

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Speaker 2: matters around today are fitting farewell for Warriors star Shawn Johnson.

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Speaker 2: He's played a starring role in helping the Warriors snatch

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Speaker 2: a thirty twenty eight comeback win over the Sharks and Crinulla.

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Speaker 2: We'll have a look back at that game with Adam Blair.

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Speaker 2: After two former All Whites Winston Reed, Noah Hickey and

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Speaker 2: Hickey with us to talk through that and the first

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Speaker 2: edition of the FIFA Women's Futsal World Cup will take

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Speaker 2: He joins us in his regular slaughter around one forty

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Speaker 2: five from somewhere heap a live sport on this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: The three keywis as you heard in our sports news

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Speaker 2: Scott McLaughlin, Scott Dixon, Marcus Armstrong all involved in the

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Speaker 2: first of two races in the Indy Car's Milwaukee Mile.

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Speaker 2: Late in the race in factor in the final lap,

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Speaker 2: Scotty McLaughlin was down in eighth, Scott Dixon tenth, Marcus

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Speaker 2: Armstrong twenty first will bring you the actual finishing position. Shortly.

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Speaker 2: There's night session action to keep an eye on at

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Speaker 2: the US Tennis Open, including women's top seed. I guess Fiontech.

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Speaker 2: She's on court right now against Anastasia public chin Covat.

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Speaker 2: Is Fiontech. Men's fifth seed Daniel Medvedev. Next on Arthur

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Speaker 2: They call eight hundred and eighty eighty news Talks EDB closing.

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Speaker 4: In on the line, Williams a bonnet.

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Speaker 2: Tuth Africa score and take the lead here. That's the

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Speaker 5: Oh, obviously she was disappointed for the boys. Some massive

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Speaker 5: So my massive effort from the voice. So the main

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Speaker 2: How much did the yellow card hurt you?

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Speaker 2: Did you feel in control when when Caleb Clark scored

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Speaker 5: Oh, look, you never feel in control at this park

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Speaker 5: And then when we went down there, I think we're twelve,

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Speaker 5: But yeah, big moment where we don't we don't get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've talked a couple of times there about not

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Speaker 5: Oh, look, we've got to there's a little bit of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, both sides kicked a lot tonight, Jase, how did

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Speaker 5: We were still going to be We still feel like

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Speaker 2: How pleased were you though, with the moves that led

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like we wanted to. We wanted to, you know,

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Speaker 5: So that that's that's excellent, and you know the big

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Speaker 6: So you can tell that's up most of my mind

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Speaker 2: It certainly can you know your referenced that I can'tule

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Speaker 6: I was the.

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Speaker 5: Key thing is how do we want to give South

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Speaker 6: So obviously you don't want to give it to them

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Speaker 6: So that's something that we'll be looking at really hard

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Speaker 5: So I thought a lot of our a lot of

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Speaker 2: A lot to be made of their bench impact as well.

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Speaker 2: Did you think that was a factor.

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Speaker 5: I think it was forty three minutes. The old bomb

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Speaker 6: And how guys.

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Speaker 5: Had come on, so I didn't didn't think that was

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Speaker 2: Did you think the first South African try was a

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Speaker 5: I haven't seen it. It's a bit of check going around,

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Speaker 5: but I haven't seen. I couldn't see anything. I don't

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Speaker 6: I don't know. I didn't see it.

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Speaker 7: But.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I'll have maybe

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Speaker 6: computer and said that was why what what are you reckonplaining?

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Speaker 2: Absolute knock on, Jess, honestly one hundred percent. He loses

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Speaker 2: away with one there, right, Yeah, have a look at

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Speaker 2: it made. It's it's one hundred percent of knock on.

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Speaker 6: Hey, just they go both ways?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very diplomatic. Hey, just before you go, how have

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, just a little bits and pieces mate, we're all.

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Speaker 6: Or doing a little bit extra and it's you know,

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Speaker 6: it hasn't hasn't hindered anything. So it's been. It's been okay.

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Speaker 5: So I've just doned little bits and pieces here and

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Speaker 6: Comes and end, Scotty Henson.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking the call. Jay, Safe travels to Cape Town.

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Speaker 2: Look forward to the second test next week.

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Speaker 2: They were fifteen six down with ten to play against England.

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Speaker 8: Thank god? You brought up about that shot at gold Piney.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, hindsight's wonderful. Hindsight's wonderful, Greg, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: But and it wasn't right in front? But I reckon,

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Speaker 10: You know?

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Speaker 8: The thing that really frustrates me at that point in

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean the pastry show is at most games

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Speaker 8: Take the shots when they're on offer.

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Speaker 11: Why would you kick it?

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Speaker 2: basic fact, Jared. The basic fact of the matter is

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Speaker 2: We can't possibly predict how the match plays out from there.

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Speaker 2: It is not the reason that we lost the game.

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Speaker 2: game twelve to twenty seven. Back with more of your

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Speaker 4: Cody Taylor joins her Black Pack crumpling towards the line.

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Speaker 4: That's just good.

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Speaker 13: Stuff with the Black packer over Hey, Cody Taylor, he's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think of one of the secrets to winning

434
00:20:32,667 --> 00:20:34,547
Speaker 2: at Ellis Parker's starting. Well, then the All Blacks ticked

435
00:20:34,547 --> 00:20:37,027
Speaker 2: that box, didn't they without opening try and I don't

436
00:20:37,027 --> 00:20:39,587
Speaker 2: think South Africa touch the ball in about the first

437
00:20:39,627 --> 00:20:42,027
Speaker 2: ten minutes. The All Blacks out of the blocks far quicker,

438
00:20:42,147 --> 00:20:44,347
Speaker 2: far quicker than the spring box. It was just the

439
00:20:44,387 --> 00:20:46,747
Speaker 2: other end of the game. They'd all nag away at them.

440
00:20:46,787 --> 00:20:48,507
Speaker 2: I'm sure as they make their way to Cape Town,

441
00:20:48,627 --> 00:20:48,987
Speaker 2: could they.

442
00:20:48,987 --> 00:20:51,627
Speaker 8: Mark hey Canney.

443
00:20:51,827 --> 00:20:54,987
Speaker 14: Yeah, Cody Taylor was terrific in that game. I thought

444
00:20:55,027 --> 00:20:56,667
Speaker 14: he was probably the best player on the parc to

445
00:20:58,707 --> 00:21:02,227
Speaker 14: their decision that no try, I think is a sports

446
00:21:02,227 --> 00:21:05,747
Speaker 14: fan and anyone in professional sports deserves better than then.

447
00:21:06,027 --> 00:21:09,107
Speaker 14: And I hope they own incision because it was you know,

448
00:21:09,107 --> 00:21:12,507
Speaker 14: it wasn't a subjective there. It was just objectively just wrong,

449
00:21:12,587 --> 00:21:17,787
Speaker 14: you know, terrible mistake. And it's just that shouldn't really happen.

450
00:21:17,547 --> 00:21:19,987
Speaker 2: At all, you know, I can't see how the process

451
00:21:20,547 --> 00:21:25,067
Speaker 2: wasn't followed. It's there before much at the very least,

452
00:21:25,427 --> 00:21:27,987
Speaker 2: there's there's doubts, at the very least, these.

453
00:21:27,867 --> 00:21:31,507
Speaker 14: Doubts simply just wasn't a try. I mean, I don't.

454
00:21:31,587 --> 00:21:34,747
Speaker 14: I think even if you're a boxed supporter, you'd have

455
00:21:34,827 --> 00:21:37,667
Speaker 14: to admit it. Just unfortunately, like when you could tell

456
00:21:37,667 --> 00:21:40,067
Speaker 14: when he scored, he likes the lady, and you can

457
00:21:40,107 --> 00:21:43,227
Speaker 14: almost tell the the way that the try scorer reacts

458
00:21:43,227 --> 00:21:44,747
Speaker 14: whether they know they got it or not. And he

459
00:21:45,147 --> 00:21:47,747
Speaker 14: knew that he didn't score that try, So I mean

460
00:21:47,907 --> 00:21:50,787
Speaker 14: you could almost tell the body language. But I mean interesting,

461
00:21:50,867 --> 00:21:52,667
Speaker 14: it's not really the whole game. I thought the ol

462
00:21:52,747 --> 00:21:56,547
Speaker 14: Mas player pretty well probably hour of the game. I

463
00:21:56,547 --> 00:21:59,147
Speaker 14: thought they weren't a bit of sense. I don't think

464
00:21:59,187 --> 00:22:02,267
Speaker 14: they responded well to the to the bomb squad. It

465
00:22:02,427 --> 00:22:04,187
Speaker 14: could have started off as a bit of a gimmick,

466
00:22:04,227 --> 00:22:06,987
Speaker 14: but you know, he is a genius coach, and I

467
00:22:07,027 --> 00:22:10,787
Speaker 14: think they didn't. We haven't really got a plan for them,

468
00:22:10,787 --> 00:22:13,867
Speaker 14: whether they've got the players to combat that. But it

469
00:22:14,467 --> 00:22:17,587
Speaker 14: becomes in a bit of an accumulation. You know, they

470
00:22:17,627 --> 00:22:20,547
Speaker 14: come on, but then they sort of almost take over

471
00:22:20,707 --> 00:22:22,947
Speaker 14: sight in that last twenty minutes, and you've got to

472
00:22:22,987 --> 00:22:25,827
Speaker 14: admire that. The last point I want to make is

473
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Speaker 14: I don't think you're kicking like I will also say

474
00:22:29,707 --> 00:22:32,107
Speaker 14: I don't think South Africa has been that great at kicking,

475
00:22:32,627 --> 00:22:35,907
Speaker 14: and I think the other Northern Hemisphere teams do dominate

476
00:22:35,947 --> 00:22:39,267
Speaker 14: the kicking and the level of kicking is. I remember

477
00:22:39,307 --> 00:22:41,347
Speaker 14: I when Island came here a couple of years ago,

478
00:22:41,747 --> 00:22:43,627
Speaker 14: you just looked at you're kicking and it was just

479
00:22:43,907 --> 00:22:47,867
Speaker 14: adds the losing pinpoint, you know, and now kicking really

480
00:22:48,507 --> 00:22:51,067
Speaker 14: is not up to World club stand and I think

481
00:22:51,227 --> 00:22:54,267
Speaker 14: for me that's the biggest area we need to improve

482
00:22:55,667 --> 00:22:58,707
Speaker 14: because of different situations. You do need to kick, and

483
00:22:58,707 --> 00:23:00,107
Speaker 14: you do need to kick accurately.

484
00:23:01,187 --> 00:23:03,587
Speaker 2: Yep, one hundred percent of Mike, and you just reiterating,

485
00:23:03,667 --> 00:23:07,787
Speaker 2: really Jackson Hollins comments that, you know, we would need

486
00:23:07,827 --> 00:23:10,947
Speaker 2: to work out where we're happy giving South Africa the ball,

487
00:23:11,147 --> 00:23:12,867
Speaker 2: because that's what you're doing when you kick, you're given

488
00:23:12,907 --> 00:23:14,787
Speaker 2: the other team the ball, unless it's a box kick

489
00:23:14,827 --> 00:23:17,547
Speaker 2: and you contesting. But let's talk about kicking for territory.

490
00:23:17,587 --> 00:23:21,467
Speaker 2: They need to work out where they're happy giving South

491
00:23:21,467 --> 00:23:24,507
Speaker 2: Africa the ball and then execute that properly. Thought, I

492
00:23:24,507 --> 00:23:26,987
Speaker 2: think South Africa kicked more than we did. They did

493
00:23:27,027 --> 00:23:28,747
Speaker 2: a lot of little grubber kicks. Did you notice that

494
00:23:28,747 --> 00:23:30,667
Speaker 2: they would a lot of times in their back line

495
00:23:30,667 --> 00:23:33,107
Speaker 2: they tried the little grubber kick through one of Whether

496
00:23:33,147 --> 00:23:36,107
Speaker 2: that's a Tony Brown thing perhaps, I don't know. It's

497
00:23:36,107 --> 00:23:37,907
Speaker 2: just occurred to me that they were doing it more

498
00:23:37,947 --> 00:23:40,947
Speaker 2: often than they previously did. A couple of people have

499
00:23:42,107 --> 00:23:45,147
Speaker 2: pointed out that Damien McKenzie kicked a conversion after the

500
00:23:45,147 --> 00:23:48,507
Speaker 2: shot clock had ticked over, which I actually I thought

501
00:23:48,547 --> 00:23:52,187
Speaker 2: he had to and certainly given the fact that the

502
00:23:52,187 --> 00:23:55,187
Speaker 2: one for the very questionable first South African try was

503
00:23:55,467 --> 00:23:59,267
Speaker 2: was chalked off for being timed out. I thought Dmac

504
00:23:59,307 --> 00:24:01,627
Speaker 2: went over as well. So if we're talking about decisions,

505
00:24:01,627 --> 00:24:03,747
Speaker 2: he's taken other two points off us, you know, Like

506
00:24:03,787 --> 00:24:07,387
Speaker 2: I say, one decision does not cost a team of game,

507
00:24:08,307 --> 00:24:10,467
Speaker 2: especially when it's so early. Because the game just takes

508
00:24:10,467 --> 00:24:14,947
Speaker 2: a completely different track, we can't possibly predict what will happen.

509
00:24:15,347 --> 00:24:17,747
Speaker 2: As I say, if the try is not awarded, we

510
00:24:17,827 --> 00:24:20,187
Speaker 2: start with a scrum, don't we. We start with all

511
00:24:20,187 --> 00:24:22,347
Speaker 2: Black speaks to a scrum, and the game takes off

512
00:24:22,347 --> 00:24:25,267
Speaker 2: along a completely different path than the one that followed.

513
00:24:25,587 --> 00:24:28,787
Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily follow that just because that try was awarded,

514
00:24:29,987 --> 00:24:32,147
Speaker 2: the All Blacks don't win the game. We were ten

515
00:24:32,187 --> 00:24:36,187
Speaker 2: points ahead with twelve minutes to go. The two things

516
00:24:36,227 --> 00:24:39,507
Speaker 2: do not correlate to one another. Yes, it's a talking

517
00:24:39,547 --> 00:24:41,907
Speaker 2: point in the game, but it is not the reason

518
00:24:42,027 --> 00:24:46,027
Speaker 2: we lost the game. Hello Chris, Hey, how are you

519
00:24:46,707 --> 00:24:47,027
Speaker 2: very good?

520
00:24:47,067 --> 00:24:51,027
Speaker 15: Chris? Look my take on the game, and I take

521
00:24:51,067 --> 00:24:53,307
Speaker 15: it with a grain of salt because I hate losing

522
00:24:53,587 --> 00:24:58,267
Speaker 15: to the status, you know. But in saying that, the

523
00:24:58,347 --> 00:25:00,427
Speaker 15: one two world Cups in a row. They are the

524
00:25:00,547 --> 00:25:04,667
Speaker 15: form team and world rugby the last few years. And

525
00:25:04,747 --> 00:25:06,867
Speaker 15: so you know the fact that we went to joe Berg,

526
00:25:06,987 --> 00:25:10,267
Speaker 15: which is like five and a half thousand feet, you know,

527
00:25:10,427 --> 00:25:13,027
Speaker 15: there's a lot of you know, like that that helps.

528
00:25:13,667 --> 00:25:16,867
Speaker 15: It stops people's oxygen and they're I think we did

529
00:25:17,147 --> 00:25:21,267
Speaker 15: really well. New team, new coach Thays, who have never

530
00:25:21,307 --> 00:25:25,547
Speaker 15: played there in the past, in an inexperienced team versus

531
00:25:25,787 --> 00:25:29,427
Speaker 15: a very solid tables at the African team. There's a

532
00:25:29,467 --> 00:25:32,507
Speaker 15: good future in this All Black side. And to be

533
00:25:32,667 --> 00:25:35,987
Speaker 15: so close to them in this early process of the

534
00:25:36,027 --> 00:25:38,827
Speaker 15: four year cycle, I'm very proud of the boys to

535
00:25:38,907 --> 00:25:41,627
Speaker 15: be so close, and we could have had it, you know,

536
00:25:42,187 --> 00:25:44,427
Speaker 15: if it was a couple of decisions here or there.

537
00:25:45,107 --> 00:25:48,347
Speaker 15: I take it as a sob a moment because next

538
00:25:48,387 --> 00:25:51,187
Speaker 15: week we're going down to sea level at Cape Town,

539
00:25:51,747 --> 00:25:54,067
Speaker 15: and there was times in this game that we ran

540
00:25:54,187 --> 00:25:58,987
Speaker 15: them off off their feet, So I'm excited about next week.

541
00:25:59,947 --> 00:26:02,667
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the same Chris I thought the I thought

542
00:26:02,707 --> 00:26:05,507
Speaker 2: the fifteen that started we're really good. I thought Cody

543
00:26:05,547 --> 00:26:09,147
Speaker 2: Taylor had a horrific test. Ethan Blackadder stood out for me.

544
00:26:09,187 --> 00:26:12,587
Speaker 2: Sam Kane was good Caleb Clark, I think has made

545
00:26:13,267 --> 00:26:16,107
Speaker 2: a really strong case for a start next week. Jordie

546
00:26:16,147 --> 00:26:20,627
Speaker 2: Barrett was good. I thought the starting fifteen well on

547
00:26:20,747 --> 00:26:23,907
Speaker 2: the whole, very very good. I just we just didn't

548
00:26:24,107 --> 00:26:26,507
Speaker 2: get the impact off the bench that we're come to

549
00:26:26,587 --> 00:26:29,347
Speaker 2: expect in the past. And that's South Africa get now.

550
00:26:31,147 --> 00:26:33,347
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, you know they've got the bomb spot

551
00:26:33,467 --> 00:26:37,547
Speaker 15: mentality that they do. But I would like New Zealand

552
00:26:37,627 --> 00:26:41,667
Speaker 15: Rugby to stay with the way we do things, just because,

553
00:26:42,867 --> 00:26:46,747
Speaker 15: like this was a good example of certificate playing there

554
00:26:46,827 --> 00:26:49,747
Speaker 15: Rugby and us. We just fell a little bit short

555
00:26:49,947 --> 00:26:52,387
Speaker 15: on the high belt. We ran out of puff essentially

556
00:26:52,707 --> 00:26:55,227
Speaker 15: and had a yellow card at the same time. If

557
00:26:55,227 --> 00:26:58,027
Speaker 15: it wasn't that yellow card, it could have been a

558
00:26:58,067 --> 00:27:02,387
Speaker 15: little bit different. So yeah, let's I looked forward to

559
00:27:02,627 --> 00:27:06,867
Speaker 15: and I'm rubbing my hands at let's go to Cape

560
00:27:06,907 --> 00:27:09,507
Speaker 15: Town and see if they can do the same thing

561
00:27:09,587 --> 00:27:10,427
Speaker 15: back to us again.

562
00:27:11,347 --> 00:27:13,427
Speaker 2: Yeah, good man, Chris, I'm looking forward to next week

563
00:27:13,467 --> 00:27:15,707
Speaker 2: as well. That's the great thing about the way the

564
00:27:15,707 --> 00:27:18,187
Speaker 2: season is structured. As we get another crack straight away

565
00:27:18,747 --> 00:27:20,667
Speaker 2: a week away, you don't have to just sort of

566
00:27:21,227 --> 00:27:23,587
Speaker 2: have it fester away like the Rugby World Cup Final,

567
00:27:23,667 --> 00:27:26,147
Speaker 2: wait for months and months to have another crack at them.

568
00:27:26,147 --> 00:27:28,587
Speaker 2: We get, you know, seven days down to Cape Town,

569
00:27:28,907 --> 00:27:30,547
Speaker 2: have a go down there. I don't think the w

570
00:27:30,547 --> 00:27:32,827
Speaker 2: any changes to the starting fifteen. I think the fifteen

571
00:27:32,867 --> 00:27:35,307
Speaker 2: will be the same. Whether there's a few tweaks around

572
00:27:35,347 --> 00:27:38,747
Speaker 2: the reserve bench remains to be seen. The other one

573
00:27:38,787 --> 00:27:42,947
Speaker 2: is that and the bomb squad is obviously premeditated what

574
00:27:42,987 --> 00:27:45,387
Speaker 2: they said on five. At the same time, I still

575
00:27:45,467 --> 00:27:48,307
Speaker 2: like the idea if a guy's playing well, just leave

576
00:27:48,347 --> 00:27:51,587
Speaker 2: them on, particularly in the half back in hooker roles.

577
00:27:52,347 --> 00:27:54,947
Speaker 2: And that's nothing against the guys who came on Alma

578
00:27:55,027 --> 00:27:58,267
Speaker 2: and Ruthdama, But like I say, they're far less experienced

579
00:27:58,267 --> 00:28:01,707
Speaker 2: than Pernala and Taylor, both of who I thought were good.

580
00:28:01,867 --> 00:28:05,707
Speaker 2: I'm not ignoring TJ giving away that penalty for chatting

581
00:28:05,707 --> 00:28:08,747
Speaker 2: to the ref. I think if we're giving penalties now

582
00:28:08,787 --> 00:28:12,067
Speaker 2: for half backs chatting back, then where are we? Where

583
00:28:12,107 --> 00:28:13,787
Speaker 2: are we with this game of ours? I don't know,

584
00:28:14,027 --> 00:28:15,867
Speaker 2: but I thought on the hole yet he had a

585
00:28:15,867 --> 00:28:19,387
Speaker 2: good game and corties on Ama. You know it's still

586
00:28:19,427 --> 00:28:22,707
Speaker 2: early and there's all Black's career. A Pata Harma we

587
00:28:22,747 --> 00:28:24,267
Speaker 2: spoke yesterday thanks for calling back.

588
00:28:25,307 --> 00:28:28,787
Speaker 16: Well, he wanted a debrief point, but firstly a happy father'sday.

589
00:28:28,787 --> 00:28:30,867
Speaker 11: I hope your kids looked at to you this morning.

590
00:28:31,147 --> 00:28:32,587
Speaker 16: While you cried into your breakfast.

591
00:28:32,947 --> 00:28:35,547
Speaker 2: I haven't. I haven't seen my kids this morning, actually

592
00:28:35,547 --> 00:28:37,747
Speaker 2: a pat of harm. I I watched the rugby and

593
00:28:37,747 --> 00:28:39,867
Speaker 2: then I came straight into work. So any chance of

594
00:28:39,867 --> 00:28:43,267
Speaker 2: my kids being up at five next to non existent.

595
00:28:43,307 --> 00:28:48,187
Speaker 16: Mate, it's two things finding let's try so I've got

596
00:28:48,227 --> 00:28:49,547
Speaker 16: an alternative on it.

597
00:28:50,747 --> 00:28:53,307
Speaker 11: I think Jordy kneeds it out of his hand as

598
00:28:53,307 --> 00:28:55,587
Speaker 11: he's going to ground and then he just falls on it.

599
00:28:55,867 --> 00:28:57,347
Speaker 16: So that Jordan, I said, you.

600
00:28:57,267 --> 00:28:59,027
Speaker 8: Could have picked the really call out a strip.

601
00:28:59,867 --> 00:29:01,427
Speaker 16: But and I think I don't know.

602
00:29:03,307 --> 00:29:05,547
Speaker 2: It's still a knock on though it's Yeah, it's still

603
00:29:05,547 --> 00:29:06,867
Speaker 2: a knock on though, isn't it If it comes out

604
00:29:06,907 --> 00:29:08,507
Speaker 2: of his hands forward, it's still not gone.

605
00:29:09,267 --> 00:29:10,067
Speaker 11: Not if a strip?

606
00:29:11,867 --> 00:29:13,627
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he has is it? Can you strip it

607
00:29:13,667 --> 00:29:14,307
Speaker 2: with your knee?

608
00:29:15,547 --> 00:29:16,027
Speaker 15: I reckon?

609
00:29:16,507 --> 00:29:16,707
Speaker 16: You know?

610
00:29:16,707 --> 00:29:19,587
Speaker 17: It was like and I feel like did Jordy sort

611
00:29:19,587 --> 00:29:22,947
Speaker 17: of forced it sort of towards towards anyway.

612
00:29:23,267 --> 00:29:25,387
Speaker 16: I was surprised they didn't look at it like you said.

613
00:29:26,227 --> 00:29:27,427
Speaker 17: First of the good Pioney.

614
00:29:29,347 --> 00:29:30,707
Speaker 11: I talked about Dmac yesterday.

615
00:29:30,747 --> 00:29:32,867
Speaker 17: I think general play, I was pretty happy with him,

616
00:29:32,947 --> 00:29:37,307
Speaker 17: right he he was in the middle of pretty much

617
00:29:37,347 --> 00:29:39,987
Speaker 17: most of our tries and he looked good skipping around

618
00:29:40,027 --> 00:29:43,067
Speaker 17: and whatnot. So I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna give him

619
00:29:43,107 --> 00:29:46,467
Speaker 17: a good, good pass for his general general play today.

620
00:29:46,507 --> 00:29:48,787
Speaker 17: I thought he might feel the pressure, but I think

621
00:29:48,787 --> 00:29:52,427
Speaker 17: he did pretty well. Our set piece was solid, super solid.

622
00:29:52,507 --> 00:29:54,907
Speaker 17: You know, I think we probably got more of their

623
00:29:54,947 --> 00:29:59,187
Speaker 17: line outs than days that have ours, so you know

624
00:29:59,227 --> 00:30:01,107
Speaker 17: that it was there for the taking to write the

625
00:30:01,107 --> 00:30:01,947
Speaker 17: box for me.

626
00:30:02,307 --> 00:30:03,347
Speaker 11: They didn't really play that well.

627
00:30:03,347 --> 00:30:05,427
Speaker 16: They dropped it a lot of pill and actually when

628
00:30:05,467 --> 00:30:06,307
Speaker 16: they did hold onto.

629
00:30:06,147 --> 00:30:08,347
Speaker 15: The super dangerous for mine.

630
00:30:08,667 --> 00:30:10,547
Speaker 16: So I was sort of glad they dropped as much

631
00:30:10,547 --> 00:30:16,107
Speaker 16: small as they did. They're bad. So we were so disciplined,

632
00:30:16,147 --> 00:30:18,467
Speaker 16: and I call it sort of unforced penalties. Of course

633
00:30:18,507 --> 00:30:21,627
Speaker 16: it's not unforced unforced, but you know, it's just disciplined

634
00:30:21,707 --> 00:30:24,827
Speaker 16: sort of penalties. We don't need to do that extra thing,

635
00:30:25,907 --> 00:30:28,587
Speaker 16: and we just gave away so many, which ultimately led

636
00:30:29,027 --> 00:30:34,547
Speaker 16: led to that yellow MM and h our kicking too.

637
00:30:34,667 --> 00:30:38,427
Speaker 16: You know, well who the Jays talking about exits and

638
00:30:38,587 --> 00:30:41,387
Speaker 16: we've got we've got a cannon and Jordi Barrett who

639
00:30:41,387 --> 00:30:45,867
Speaker 16: should be in the pocket and exiting, exiting from those

640
00:30:45,947 --> 00:30:46,867
Speaker 16: kickoffs and whatnot.

641
00:30:46,947 --> 00:30:47,707
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

642
00:30:48,187 --> 00:30:50,187
Speaker 16: It's obviously tactical that they don't use him.

643
00:30:50,307 --> 00:30:51,867
Speaker 17: One of the times he was actually ducking out of

644
00:30:51,907 --> 00:30:54,707
Speaker 17: the way and kicked it over his head, So we've

645
00:30:54,707 --> 00:30:57,827
Speaker 17: got to use his boots, tiny, I guess.

646
00:30:57,867 --> 00:31:00,707
Speaker 2: I guess I'm trying to think of of of reasons

647
00:31:00,747 --> 00:31:02,387
Speaker 2: for him not being in the pocket. I guess if

648
00:31:02,387 --> 00:31:05,227
Speaker 2: he sits there in their pocket at first receiver said,

649
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Speaker 2: they ever gonna know what's coming. They know he's not

650
00:31:07,147 --> 00:31:09,307
Speaker 2: going to run from first receiver. If he gets at

651
00:31:09,347 --> 00:31:11,427
Speaker 2: Jordi Barrett there, he's going to kick it. So it

652
00:31:11,587 --> 00:31:14,227
Speaker 2: all almost telegraphs it. At least when he's at second five,

653
00:31:15,267 --> 00:31:16,627
Speaker 2: you know, yes it can get to him, and he

654
00:31:16,667 --> 00:31:19,067
Speaker 2: can kick from there with less room obviously, but look,

655
00:31:19,107 --> 00:31:21,067
Speaker 2: you're right, he's got a terrific boot. The penalties that

656
00:31:21,307 --> 00:31:23,547
Speaker 2: you pick up on a pat ahama is so valid.

657
00:31:23,587 --> 00:31:27,627
Speaker 2: Fourteen to five, you know, And and no matter which

658
00:31:27,667 --> 00:31:29,227
Speaker 2: way you dress it up, that is a that is

659
00:31:29,267 --> 00:31:32,627
Speaker 2: a big, big imbalance fourteen to five. I'm not saying

660
00:31:32,627 --> 00:31:34,267
Speaker 2: that's anything to do with the referee. I just think

661
00:31:34,307 --> 00:31:38,627
Speaker 2: it was pressure which led to ill discipline and at

662
00:31:38,627 --> 00:31:40,467
Speaker 2: the end of the day led to the South Africans

663
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Speaker 2: running over the top of us at the end.

664
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Speaker 17: Yeah, and the last thing, you know, the kid Chase

665
00:31:48,987 --> 00:31:51,107
Speaker 17: those kicks that we do, the kick Chase made it

666
00:31:51,147 --> 00:31:52,907
Speaker 17: look like Tailor was good.

667
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Speaker 9: Tailor's kick Chase came from.

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Speaker 16: He was like, they were not great texts, but he

669
00:31:56,747 --> 00:31:58,907
Speaker 16: made them look good by a securing ball, even though.

670
00:31:58,827 --> 00:32:06,507
Speaker 18: I think there's a few ruck turnovers kicking those who

671
00:32:06,827 --> 00:32:08,427
Speaker 18: we had to finish.

672
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Speaker 19: I don't know.

673
00:32:09,547 --> 00:32:11,907
Speaker 2: He just looked him and him and Rico when he

674
00:32:11,987 --> 00:32:13,627
Speaker 2: kicked out a head, I looked and I sort of

675
00:32:13,627 --> 00:32:15,987
Speaker 2: looked at Ricco Yoanni who I think he was kicking

676
00:32:16,027 --> 00:32:18,387
Speaker 2: it forward too, and he just kind of dropped his shoulders.

677
00:32:18,507 --> 00:32:20,387
Speaker 2: He was neked. They both were, you know, they were

678
00:32:20,427 --> 00:32:20,827
Speaker 2: just done.

679
00:32:20,867 --> 00:32:21,067
Speaker 9: Yeah.

680
00:32:22,307 --> 00:32:23,947
Speaker 11: Yeah, well and they were kicking it back to us.

681
00:32:23,987 --> 00:32:25,787
Speaker 16: It's like, why don't these teams don't want to hold

682
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Speaker 16: the ball for.

683
00:32:29,907 --> 00:32:30,027
Speaker 7: Win?

684
00:32:31,027 --> 00:32:33,867
Speaker 2: Yeah? All right, and Padahamma always great chatting to you mate.

685
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Speaker 2: Enjoy the rest of the afternoon nineteen to one oh

686
00:32:35,827 --> 00:32:38,147
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty I've had a full board,

687
00:32:38,307 --> 00:32:39,627
Speaker 2: so if you can't get through the first time, please

688
00:32:39,707 --> 00:32:41,187
Speaker 2: keep trying. We'll get as many calls on the air

689
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Speaker 2: as we can. We're back after this on news Talks.

690
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Speaker 20: He'd be.

691
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Speaker 1: The big issues on and after fields Call eight hundred

692
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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Weekends Forward with Jason.

693
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Speaker 2: Fine and GJ.

694
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Speaker 1: Gunner Homes New Zealand's first trusted home builder News Talk

695
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Speaker 1: said by the guy.

696
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Speaker 4: To the front, and it's a bit out to the

697
00:32:58,227 --> 00:33:02,067
Speaker 4: back line dropped out Rhana for farm Berghen Thomas, Johnny

698
00:33:02,107 --> 00:33:05,427
Speaker 4: Down twenty two. Johnny Petty is dead.

699
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Speaker 2: He's a John.

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Speaker 4: Johnny b u Zella.

701
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Speaker 2: Early in the second half, I thought we were looking good.

702
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Speaker 2: We did look good for an hour, didn't we We

703
00:33:15,467 --> 00:33:17,507
Speaker 2: did look good for an hour. Thanks for holding Blair

704
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Speaker 2: good afternoon.

705
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Speaker 21: Can you give me Parney. I'm going to respectfully disagree

706
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Speaker 21: with you here if we don't mind.

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Speaker 2: I liked it. Were all opinions valid here, Blair, go

708
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Speaker 2: for it.

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Speaker 21: My biggest problem with the game today, putting aside the refereeing,

710
00:33:34,787 --> 00:33:38,107
Speaker 21: which I found bizarre at times, but it is the

711
00:33:38,427 --> 00:33:42,987
Speaker 21: usage of the bench. You say a moor Et cetera,

712
00:33:43,107 --> 00:33:46,627
Speaker 21: lack experience. They you know, Moo is a big unit,

713
00:33:47,107 --> 00:33:50,267
Speaker 21: bringing him on with ten twelve minutes to go and

714
00:33:50,427 --> 00:33:53,667
Speaker 21: expecting him to play extremely well, which is what has

715
00:33:53,667 --> 00:33:57,267
Speaker 21: happened all season. It doesn't work, Sam Dowry. You know,

716
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Speaker 21: some of those forwards were buggered.

717
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Speaker 11: We're twenty to go.

718
00:34:00,507 --> 00:34:01,307
Speaker 7: We were dominant.

719
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Speaker 21: We had them puffing and panting, but our forwards looked

720
00:34:04,787 --> 00:34:05,947
Speaker 21: bugging at the same time.

721
00:34:06,507 --> 00:34:07,387
Speaker 7: And we don't.

722
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Speaker 21: We don't pull forward. We don't seem to pull these

723
00:34:09,827 --> 00:34:13,947
Speaker 21: guys off until, you know, until the last few minutes,

724
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Speaker 21: and it's just by then our discipline had gone. You know,

725
00:34:17,187 --> 00:34:20,547
Speaker 21: we were making mistakes. He needs to use his reserve

726
00:34:20,667 --> 00:34:23,787
Speaker 21: bench better. And I'd also take a look at some

727
00:34:23,867 --> 00:34:27,827
Speaker 21: of the reserve bench. You know he's got guys there

728
00:34:28,507 --> 00:34:33,747
Speaker 21: over Yeah no, not for me, thanks mate. He's he's

729
00:34:33,747 --> 00:34:36,267
Speaker 21: been a good player. He's still a good scrummager, but

730
00:34:36,347 --> 00:34:38,387
Speaker 21: he's slow and ponderous and he does give away a

731
00:34:38,427 --> 00:34:42,707
Speaker 21: lot of penalties nowadays. You know he's got the big boy.

732
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Speaker 21: Is it toasy?

733
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Speaker 2: I think yeah? Yet No, you have Vasilosa, Yep, that's him.

734
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Speaker 21: He's a big unit. He's extremely mobile, he's a good scrummager.

735
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Speaker 21: The sight of him in the last twenty minutes been

736
00:34:54,787 --> 00:34:57,107
Speaker 21: given the ball and told run like hell at Malcolm

737
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Speaker 21: Marx who was puffing and panting. You know, I would

738
00:35:01,147 --> 00:35:03,667
Speaker 21: have liked to have seen that. But I do question

739
00:35:03,987 --> 00:35:08,067
Speaker 21: Scott Robinson's usage of his bench. Sam Dowry, you know,

740
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Speaker 21: he's a superb athlete, a great little player in the making.

741
00:35:12,827 --> 00:35:14,587
Speaker 21: We should have brought him on was twenty to go,

742
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Speaker 21: and to be honest, you could have replaced Scott Barrett

743
00:35:16,827 --> 00:35:20,467
Speaker 21: with him because Barrett was struggling, I think, which is

744
00:35:20,467 --> 00:35:22,467
Speaker 21: to be expected after several weeks out of the game.

745
00:35:22,987 --> 00:35:24,907
Speaker 2: Yeah, so when you used that, yeah, so when you

746
00:35:24,907 --> 00:35:27,867
Speaker 2: say used the bench better, so in other words, used

747
00:35:27,867 --> 00:35:28,507
Speaker 2: the bench.

748
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Speaker 18: Earlier, definitely for me.

749
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Speaker 21: I mean, Erasmus is not the only one who brings

750
00:35:35,747 --> 00:35:38,907
Speaker 21: this bench on early. We've seen Ireland do it, you know,

751
00:35:39,107 --> 00:35:42,347
Speaker 21: to a lesser extent, We've seen France do it. Scott

752
00:35:42,787 --> 00:35:45,867
Speaker 21: Robertson seems to have an issue with you know, his

753
00:35:46,067 --> 00:35:49,387
Speaker 21: players are exhausted, but he still does not replace them.

754
00:35:49,947 --> 00:35:52,547
Speaker 21: And yep, okay, Cody Taylor. Perhaps you know, with the

755
00:35:52,547 --> 00:35:55,347
Speaker 21: amount of time he spends on the wing, he might

756
00:35:55,387 --> 00:35:58,707
Speaker 21: not have been as tired as you know, guys like.

757
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Speaker 7: VII and Barrett and that.

758
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Speaker 21: But you know he needed to make some changes today

759
00:36:02,867 --> 00:36:05,027
Speaker 21: and you could see it. The heads were down, the

760
00:36:05,147 --> 00:36:08,427
Speaker 21: discipline went down. Then you bring these young guys on

761
00:36:08,467 --> 00:36:10,467
Speaker 21: and you say we'll have about it.

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Speaker 11: It's too late by then, and asking.

763
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Speaker 21: Them to perform miracles against you know, a fired up

764
00:36:15,267 --> 00:36:17,587
Speaker 21: South African team with ten or eleven to go is

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Speaker 21: I think it's unfair on them, and I think it's wrong.

766
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Speaker 2: When they came on, though, I think we were ahead

767
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Speaker 2: when the majority of them. I think Talaya and Leonard

768
00:36:28,507 --> 00:36:31,147
Speaker 2: Brown came on a bit later, but I think when

769
00:36:31,227 --> 00:36:35,187
Speaker 2: Darry maybe not fee now Alma came on, I think

770
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Speaker 2: we were ahead.

771
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Speaker 21: He didn't bring the forwards on until we were struggling

772
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Speaker 21: when he brought them on, And to me, I mean

773
00:36:46,827 --> 00:36:49,267
Speaker 21: Dari and Amora in particular should have come on at

774
00:36:49,347 --> 00:36:53,267
Speaker 21: least twenty to go and just puked into their work.

775
00:36:54,587 --> 00:36:57,547
Speaker 21: You know, I need the other one for me. Perhaps

776
00:36:58,747 --> 00:37:03,267
Speaker 21: that he should be looking at is Billy Proctor. You

777
00:37:03,267 --> 00:37:05,667
Speaker 21: know what's he got a guy of the class of

778
00:37:05,707 --> 00:37:07,827
Speaker 21: Billy Proptor. Therefore, if he's not going to have him

779
00:37:07,827 --> 00:37:10,547
Speaker 21: somewhere in the squad or somewhere in the team. Rico

780
00:37:11,067 --> 00:37:15,267
Speaker 21: still dies with the ball he's and he died tonight.

781
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Speaker 21: I thought he had one of his better games this season,

782
00:37:18,307 --> 00:37:20,947
Speaker 21: but he still died with a lot of ball. You know,

783
00:37:21,107 --> 00:37:23,867
Speaker 21: if you're going to have Caleb Clark out on the outside,

784
00:37:23,987 --> 00:37:26,027
Speaker 21: you really need someone who's going to distribute to them

785
00:37:26,067 --> 00:37:27,627
Speaker 21: all the time. And to me, that's Proctor.

786
00:37:28,947 --> 00:37:30,587
Speaker 2: Good points well mate, I take the other guy i'd

787
00:37:30,587 --> 00:37:32,027
Speaker 2: like to see and there is Wallace a Titi, but

788
00:37:32,027 --> 00:37:34,267
Speaker 2: I don't think they will. And the same with Proctor

789
00:37:34,267 --> 00:37:36,787
Speaker 2: because they're so new. It's almost like too big an

790
00:37:36,787 --> 00:37:39,107
Speaker 2: occasion for them, or Alice Park might have been. I'd

791
00:37:39,147 --> 00:37:41,427
Speaker 2: love to see Wallacer, Titi and Billy Procter come into

792
00:37:41,547 --> 00:37:43,907
Speaker 2: at least the twenty three next week.

793
00:37:45,107 --> 00:37:45,747
Speaker 7: Yeah, me too.

794
00:37:45,827 --> 00:37:48,987
Speaker 21: And I mean, you know, where do you start these guys.

795
00:37:49,067 --> 00:37:52,467
Speaker 21: You know, you've got to start them somewhere. If you

796
00:37:52,467 --> 00:37:54,867
Speaker 21: don't start them in the cauldron, you know you can

797
00:37:54,907 --> 00:37:57,427
Speaker 21: find an excuse every week. I think you've got to

798
00:37:57,467 --> 00:37:59,067
Speaker 21: start them and you've got to back yourself as a

799
00:37:59,147 --> 00:38:00,667
Speaker 21: coach to get the best out of them, no matter

800
00:38:00,667 --> 00:38:01,267
Speaker 21: who you're playing.

801
00:38:02,307 --> 00:38:04,667
Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure disagreeing with you, Blair, thanks for calling,

802
00:38:04,707 --> 00:38:05,787
Speaker 2: make callback anytime.

803
00:38:06,827 --> 00:38:08,107
Speaker 7: Thanks right, so all of this.

804
00:38:08,387 --> 00:38:11,707
Speaker 2: Take it easy. We'll get one more breakaway back with

805
00:38:11,747 --> 00:38:13,347
Speaker 2: a couple more calls after this team to one.

806
00:38:15,387 --> 00:38:18,187
Speaker 1: From the track field and the court on your HOMEO

807
00:38:18,307 --> 00:38:20,987
Speaker 1: sport Sport with Jason n.

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00:38:22,747 --> 00:38:24,027
Speaker 2: Seven to one, did I Joe?

809
00:38:24,787 --> 00:38:24,987
Speaker 6: Yeah?

810
00:38:24,987 --> 00:38:25,507
Speaker 9: How are you doing?

811
00:38:25,547 --> 00:38:25,867
Speaker 20: Party?

812
00:38:26,347 --> 00:38:26,747
Speaker 2: Very good?

813
00:38:26,867 --> 00:38:27,267
Speaker 7: Very good Jo.

814
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Speaker 9: I'm a first time caller and yeah, I guess it

815
00:38:31,867 --> 00:38:35,987
Speaker 9: was a great game. I think the referee was shaky.

816
00:38:37,227 --> 00:38:42,267
Speaker 9: I think the penalty on Peranara for talking back uh

817
00:38:42,627 --> 00:38:45,067
Speaker 9: in a Test match like that, I think is a

818
00:38:45,107 --> 00:38:49,867
Speaker 9: bad call. I think also, you know, we made a

819
00:38:49,867 --> 00:38:53,547
Speaker 9: couple of crucial mistakes. One where we didn't take the

820
00:38:53,587 --> 00:38:57,907
Speaker 9: three points. We were roped ten. We wanted to put

821
00:38:57,947 --> 00:39:01,707
Speaker 9: a little bit more onto the box and go up

822
00:39:01,747 --> 00:39:05,147
Speaker 9: by more than thirteen. But I think when you're down there,

823
00:39:05,307 --> 00:39:09,387
Speaker 9: you got to take the point. There was another mistake

824
00:39:09,587 --> 00:39:13,227
Speaker 9: where no one got to the rock and South Africa

825
00:39:13,387 --> 00:39:16,787
Speaker 9: just picked it out of there and we were right

826
00:39:16,827 --> 00:39:23,547
Speaker 9: inside and ready to attack again. I think the South

827
00:39:23,587 --> 00:39:27,507
Speaker 9: Africans again slowing down the ball and the referee letting

828
00:39:27,547 --> 00:39:31,347
Speaker 9: them lay on our side of the ball and not

829
00:39:31,427 --> 00:39:34,747
Speaker 9: penalizing them for it. And then also with our lineouts.

830
00:39:34,827 --> 00:39:38,107
Speaker 9: I think our lineouts and our scrums did a big tick,

831
00:39:38,787 --> 00:39:44,827
Speaker 9: but South Africa continually slow it down and are having

832
00:39:44,867 --> 00:39:48,547
Speaker 9: a huddle before our line out, and the referees got

833
00:39:48,587 --> 00:39:50,947
Speaker 9: to step in and say, listen, you either get into

834
00:39:50,987 --> 00:39:53,547
Speaker 9: the line out or are you going to get penalized,

835
00:39:54,267 --> 00:39:58,267
Speaker 9: And so they were a crucial moment. I did think

836
00:39:58,307 --> 00:40:01,667
Speaker 9: when we were up ten that it was still in

837
00:40:01,747 --> 00:40:05,267
Speaker 9: the balance. We needed to score one more time, whether

838
00:40:05,307 --> 00:40:10,187
Speaker 9: it was three or seven, and then the penalty again

839
00:40:10,707 --> 00:40:13,947
Speaker 9: ten minutes left in the game. It's a big call

840
00:40:14,027 --> 00:40:17,987
Speaker 9: for the referee, but you got to make big calls there.

841
00:40:18,347 --> 00:40:20,387
Speaker 9: He would we would have been better off letting them

842
00:40:20,387 --> 00:40:23,347
Speaker 9: score to try and then go back with fifteen players.

843
00:40:24,067 --> 00:40:27,827
Speaker 9: You can't commit a penalty like that inside the five

844
00:40:27,947 --> 00:40:34,187
Speaker 9: meter line. With South Africa, they are dangerous. Anytime within

845
00:40:34,227 --> 00:40:39,147
Speaker 9: the twenty two they're gonna line out, drive and uh

846
00:40:39,187 --> 00:40:41,947
Speaker 9: and then look to get points whether and most of

847
00:40:41,987 --> 00:40:44,827
Speaker 9: the time it's the penalty is with them all and

848
00:40:45,147 --> 00:40:48,267
Speaker 9: they're great at it. So I tipped my hat to them.

849
00:40:48,667 --> 00:40:50,987
Speaker 9: It was one that I just thought we had it

850
00:40:51,147 --> 00:40:55,907
Speaker 9: and would have been a great win for US. I

851
00:40:55,907 --> 00:40:59,307
Speaker 9: feel sorry for the boys because boy, they just they fought,

852
00:40:59,627 --> 00:41:03,587
Speaker 9: fought like tooth and now and I thought Taylor Clark

853
00:41:03,667 --> 00:41:07,627
Speaker 9: had a blinder. I know on the after the match

854
00:41:07,667 --> 00:41:11,347
Speaker 9: they said that he might have got hurt. I'm not

855
00:41:11,387 --> 00:41:13,187
Speaker 9: sure why they took him off, but I would have

856
00:41:13,187 --> 00:41:15,467
Speaker 9: probably kept them mind unless he begged to come off.

857
00:41:16,107 --> 00:41:18,427
Speaker 9: And yeah, and the bench, I think they're going to

858
00:41:18,507 --> 00:41:20,827
Speaker 9: have to look at at the impact that the bench

859
00:41:21,987 --> 00:41:24,907
Speaker 9: made and is going to make in the future because

860
00:41:25,667 --> 00:41:28,467
Speaker 9: they didn't really make a positive impact.

861
00:41:28,587 --> 00:41:32,587
Speaker 2: I don't think Joe brilliant first time Cally you have

862
00:41:32,627 --> 00:41:34,387
Speaker 2: turned out to be. We're just out of time, mate,

863
00:41:34,387 --> 00:41:36,907
Speaker 2: Please call back anytime. Three to one.

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00:41:37,347 --> 00:41:40,267
Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

865
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Speaker 1: on and after fields.

866
00:41:42,587 --> 00:41:43,707
Speaker 10: It's all one.

867
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Speaker 1: James Ford with Jason Paine on your home of sport US.

868
00:41:50,467 --> 00:41:54,227
Speaker 2: Hello one O seven. I'm Jason Pyne, Andy McDonald alongside.

869
00:41:54,227 --> 00:41:57,227
Speaker 2: We're here till three. We'll dive back into this Test

870
00:41:57,267 --> 00:42:00,147
Speaker 2: match in a moment. Get a South African viewpoint for

871
00:42:00,227 --> 00:42:03,507
Speaker 2: you from Mark key Ohanes, a long time rugby journalist

872
00:42:03,587 --> 00:42:06,347
Speaker 2: based in the Republic. We'll take some more calls as well.

873
00:42:07,067 --> 00:42:09,707
Speaker 2: Heaps of texts through to thank you for sending them through.

874
00:42:10,467 --> 00:42:13,187
Speaker 2: As I often say, we don't get the opportunity to

875
00:42:13,227 --> 00:42:14,907
Speaker 2: read them all out, but we do read them all

876
00:42:15,547 --> 00:42:18,067
Speaker 2: so thank you for taking the time to send them.

877
00:42:18,467 --> 00:42:21,507
Speaker 2: But a live sport to update you on. Alex Demnour

878
00:42:21,707 --> 00:42:24,907
Speaker 2: is currently on Louis Armstrong Stadium at the US Tennis

879
00:42:24,947 --> 00:42:28,867
Speaker 2: Open up against the unseeded British player Daniel Evans. He's

880
00:42:28,867 --> 00:42:31,547
Speaker 2: six to three oh. He's won of the first set

881
00:42:31,547 --> 00:42:34,627
Speaker 2: six three five all. On the second Igus Fiantec safely through.

882
00:42:35,147 --> 00:42:38,307
Speaker 2: Daniil Medvedev will take the court in the next little while.

883
00:42:38,307 --> 00:42:39,947
Speaker 2: We'll keep you up to date with that. Fara Palmer

884
00:42:39,987 --> 00:42:44,147
Speaker 2: Cup action. Wellington twelve mil ahead of North Harbor after

885
00:42:44,227 --> 00:42:49,587
Speaker 2: half an hour in Pottydoer and Counties Monaco and Northland,

886
00:42:50,027 --> 00:42:53,187
Speaker 2: about to get under way in Pooka Koe and in

887
00:42:53,347 --> 00:42:58,387
Speaker 2: around an hour it'll be Canterbury v Wellington and the

888
00:42:58,707 --> 00:43:01,947
Speaker 2: Bunning's end. PC Nick Buley is calling that one from

889
00:43:01,947 --> 00:43:04,747
Speaker 2: a lunge order. He's going to preview it for us

890
00:43:04,747 --> 00:43:06,947
Speaker 2: in the next half to three arters of an hour

891
00:43:07,027 --> 00:43:10,267
Speaker 2: or so. James mcconey as well. He is currently I

892
00:43:10,347 --> 00:43:13,107
Speaker 2: understand in Europe somewhere. We'll find out where when he

893
00:43:13,227 --> 00:43:16,427
Speaker 2: joins us a little bit later on this hour.

894
00:43:16,667 --> 00:43:19,947
Speaker 4: It is one oh nine, hopped up again picking go

895
00:43:20,067 --> 00:43:25,587
Speaker 4: to spring Up, driving South Africa plose the game. He

896
00:43:25,747 --> 00:43:27,267
Speaker 4: ad Gorgo swift.

897
00:43:27,747 --> 00:43:29,347
Speaker 2: That was the try that brought it back to what

898
00:43:29,387 --> 00:43:32,587
Speaker 2: twenty seven twenty four was it? Then the spring Box

899
00:43:32,627 --> 00:43:35,987
Speaker 2: went on to win thirty one twenty seven, a third

900
00:43:36,067 --> 00:43:38,627
Speaker 2: straight win for South Africa over the All Blacks. That's

901
00:43:38,627 --> 00:43:41,987
Speaker 2: the first time that's happened since two thousand and nine.

902
00:43:42,147 --> 00:43:46,787
Speaker 2: Let's bring in hugely experienced South African rugby journalist, columnist,

903
00:43:47,107 --> 00:43:50,507
Speaker 2: analyst and broadcaster Mark Keohane. Mark, thanks for joining us

904
00:43:50,547 --> 00:43:52,507
Speaker 2: across New Zealand. With a few hours to reflect on

905
00:43:52,547 --> 00:43:54,467
Speaker 2: the game at Alice Park. What stands out the most

906
00:43:54,467 --> 00:43:54,827
Speaker 2: for you?

907
00:43:55,867 --> 00:43:58,107
Speaker 22: Just there was just such a tribute to the rivalry

908
00:43:58,107 --> 00:43:58,947
Speaker 22: between the two teams.

909
00:43:58,947 --> 00:44:00,707
Speaker 20: It was an incredible test match.

910
00:44:02,147 --> 00:44:06,267
Speaker 22: And poignantly at Ellis Park, where the two teams have

911
00:44:06,427 --> 00:44:09,547
Speaker 22: played eight times since ninety ninety six. The average score

912
00:44:09,587 --> 00:44:13,307
Speaker 22: is thirty one to thirty point eight for the All Blacks.

913
00:44:13,307 --> 00:44:15,387
Speaker 22: I thought at one stage at thirty one twenty seven,

914
00:44:15,747 --> 00:44:16,507
Speaker 22: oh my god.

915
00:44:16,347 --> 00:44:18,267
Speaker 20: It's going to end thirty two twenty one. They're going

916
00:44:18,347 --> 00:44:19,587
Speaker 20: to get that one point again.

917
00:44:20,067 --> 00:44:22,827
Speaker 22: And it was just it was twelve eleven at halftime

918
00:44:22,867 --> 00:44:24,707
Speaker 22: to the All Blacks. It was It's the kind of

919
00:44:24,707 --> 00:44:27,947
Speaker 22: World Cup Final of last year reversed. There's just such

920
00:44:27,987 --> 00:44:30,187
Speaker 22: incredible reverence and respect for the All Blacks in this

921
00:44:30,267 --> 00:44:31,827
Speaker 22: country and in the rivalry.

922
00:44:31,427 --> 00:44:34,307
Speaker 20: And this is an all Black team. That's that's maturing.

923
00:44:34,387 --> 00:44:36,667
Speaker 20: It's in its first year with Scott Robertson. It's a

924
00:44:36,747 --> 00:44:37,907
Speaker 20: very settled Springbok team.

925
00:44:37,947 --> 00:44:40,387
Speaker 22: But my goodness, one occasion I'm going to have to

926
00:44:40,467 --> 00:44:42,947
Speaker 22: watch the Test match several times as week I could

927
00:44:42,947 --> 00:44:45,667
Speaker 22: probably give you an informed opinion of the Test match

928
00:44:45,907 --> 00:44:47,227
Speaker 22: from a Slavian perspective.

929
00:44:47,947 --> 00:44:48,867
Speaker 20: We got the result.

930
00:44:49,107 --> 00:44:50,747
Speaker 22: It's great that we get to go again in Cape

931
00:44:50,787 --> 00:44:51,827
Speaker 22: Town in a week's time.

932
00:44:51,867 --> 00:44:55,267
Speaker 20: But everyone spoke about this is the World Cup.

933
00:44:55,107 --> 00:44:58,027
Speaker 22: Final revisitor and my goodness, did they not produce something

934
00:44:58,067 --> 00:44:59,107
Speaker 22: quite spectacular again?

935
00:44:59,267 --> 00:45:01,907
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a titanic Test match for sure. How much

936
00:45:01,947 --> 00:45:05,027
Speaker 2: did the yellow card for New Zealand later on open

937
00:45:05,067 --> 00:45:07,747
Speaker 2: the door marked reckon for the spring Box to come back.

938
00:45:07,747 --> 00:45:10,267
Speaker 2: They were ten points down with twelve minutes to play

939
00:45:10,267 --> 00:45:12,107
Speaker 2: at that point and then just rolled over the top.

940
00:45:12,187 --> 00:45:15,027
Speaker 2: How important was the new miracle advantage?

941
00:45:16,107 --> 00:45:17,547
Speaker 20: Yeah, look, I think that there's two.

942
00:45:17,587 --> 00:45:20,227
Speaker 22: I've been looking on social media and obviously after reports,

943
00:45:20,227 --> 00:45:21,187
Speaker 22: and there's been a few things.

944
00:45:21,187 --> 00:45:23,067
Speaker 20: I mean, I don't think bonds try was a try,

945
00:45:23,107 --> 00:45:24,747
Speaker 20: but I also don't think New Zealand's first try was

946
00:45:24,747 --> 00:45:27,747
Speaker 20: a try technically, but nothing was revisited. But that was

947
00:45:27,747 --> 00:45:29,027
Speaker 20: in the first ten minutes of the Test.

948
00:45:29,107 --> 00:45:31,867
Speaker 22: So you don't lose a Test match in the first

949
00:45:31,867 --> 00:45:34,107
Speaker 22: ten minutes, you lose it at the last ten minutes.

950
00:45:34,507 --> 00:45:35,267
Speaker 20: The big thing for me.

951
00:45:35,307 --> 00:45:38,067
Speaker 22: Was that twenty seven to seventeen, the momentum was with

952
00:45:38,187 --> 00:45:38,747
Speaker 22: New Zealand.

953
00:45:38,907 --> 00:45:40,867
Speaker 20: This is altitude, this is Test rugby.

954
00:45:41,067 --> 00:45:43,707
Speaker 22: You scored your four tries, they get a penalty to

955
00:45:43,747 --> 00:45:46,187
Speaker 22: go thirty seventeen up and they don't take it, and

956
00:45:46,267 --> 00:45:48,467
Speaker 22: it was pretty much a gimmy and they kept for

957
00:45:48,507 --> 00:45:51,067
Speaker 22: the corner and they got turned over, so that feel

958
00:45:51,107 --> 00:45:53,867
Speaker 22: clear by thirty thirty meters within a minute they got

959
00:45:53,947 --> 00:45:56,227
Speaker 22: yellow carded, so that forgets back in the game of

960
00:45:56,227 --> 00:45:58,467
Speaker 22: scores twenty seven to twenty four and we've got a

961
00:45:58,547 --> 00:46:00,707
Speaker 22: hum dinner for the last ten minutes, and that to

962
00:46:00,747 --> 00:46:03,187
Speaker 22: me was the pivotal moment at like I think sixty three,

963
00:46:03,227 --> 00:46:06,827
Speaker 22: sixty four minutes thirty seventeen, I don't know I would

964
00:46:06,827 --> 00:46:07,307
Speaker 22: have come back.

965
00:46:07,587 --> 00:46:09,827
Speaker 20: It's that psychological too converted trials.

966
00:46:10,507 --> 00:46:12,507
Speaker 22: But for New Zealand to kick to the corner for

967
00:46:12,827 --> 00:46:15,347
Speaker 22: what you know, they may have felt they had momentum

968
00:46:15,427 --> 00:46:17,867
Speaker 22: or whatever. But test match rugby in Sola Africa, when

969
00:46:17,867 --> 00:46:19,387
Speaker 22: you got the box twenty seven to seven and you

970
00:46:19,387 --> 00:46:21,907
Speaker 22: can go thirty seventeen, you take three points. And I

971
00:46:22,587 --> 00:46:24,827
Speaker 22: was perplexed by that decision. I think maybe that's going

972
00:46:24,907 --> 00:46:27,587
Speaker 22: to be one of Scott Robinson's big learnings in terms

973
00:46:27,627 --> 00:46:29,707
Speaker 22: of Test match rugby as opposed to supermat rugby.

974
00:46:30,187 --> 00:46:32,107
Speaker 2: Indeed, No, it's a great point you make, and I

975
00:46:32,147 --> 00:46:34,627
Speaker 2: think there's a few heads being scratched over the side

976
00:46:34,627 --> 00:46:37,227
Speaker 2: of the world as well about that very decision. How

977
00:46:37,267 --> 00:46:40,067
Speaker 2: important Mark, do you think the impact of South Africa's

978
00:46:40,067 --> 00:46:40,947
Speaker 2: bench was?

979
00:46:42,627 --> 00:46:43,907
Speaker 20: Look, No, it was always going to be.

980
00:46:43,987 --> 00:46:45,507
Speaker 22: I mean all the previous we did this week, we

981
00:46:45,507 --> 00:46:47,387
Speaker 22: looked at the two starting fifteen's and you see there's

982
00:46:47,427 --> 00:46:48,787
Speaker 22: very little choose between them.

983
00:46:49,067 --> 00:46:50,587
Speaker 20: You looked at it at the wall cup, very little

984
00:46:50,667 --> 00:46:51,267
Speaker 20: chooth behind them.

985
00:46:51,267 --> 00:46:52,827
Speaker 22: But then you looked at the bench and you just thought,

986
00:46:53,587 --> 00:46:56,107
Speaker 22: come the last twenty minutes they effectively put on a

987
00:46:56,107 --> 00:46:58,947
Speaker 22: starting they'd put on a starting pack and New Zealand

988
00:46:59,227 --> 00:47:03,187
Speaker 22: currently just doesn't have that depth and that was fundamental

989
00:47:03,187 --> 00:47:04,467
Speaker 22: to the outcome of this Test match.

990
00:47:04,467 --> 00:47:06,787
Speaker 20: I just think the quality of the New Zealand performance.

991
00:47:06,547 --> 00:47:09,987
Speaker 22: Was that up until that seventieth minute they were in

992
00:47:10,027 --> 00:47:12,867
Speaker 22: the contest, they were effectively leading the contest and they

993
00:47:12,867 --> 00:47:14,667
Speaker 22: had played that well. I haven't seen the New Zealand

994
00:47:14,667 --> 00:47:18,307
Speaker 22: team come to Ellis Park and play with such presence

995
00:47:18,387 --> 00:47:22,427
Speaker 22: and such composure and such energy and intelligence as this

996
00:47:22,507 --> 00:47:23,787
Speaker 22: one did in the first forty minutes.

997
00:47:23,827 --> 00:47:25,427
Speaker 20: But I always doubted when it got to.

998
00:47:25,387 --> 00:47:28,107
Speaker 22: Seventy minutes whether they would have the cattle to come

999
00:47:28,107 --> 00:47:29,947
Speaker 22: off the bench. And I think that's going to be

1000
00:47:29,987 --> 00:47:34,227
Speaker 22: his biggest test is building that squad depth. But I

1001
00:47:34,707 --> 00:47:36,787
Speaker 22: thought their performance was I think it's the best performance

1002
00:47:36,787 --> 00:47:41,227
Speaker 22: I've seen under Scott Robinson this season. They look clear,

1003
00:47:41,747 --> 00:47:44,147
Speaker 22: they look functional, there was clarity. I thought the pack

1004
00:47:44,267 --> 00:47:46,907
Speaker 22: was outstanding. I'm so not convinced it's the best back

1005
00:47:46,987 --> 00:47:49,467
Speaker 22: line he's got going there. You know, there's you know,

1006
00:47:49,507 --> 00:47:52,707
Speaker 22: whether it's body should start at ten and there should

1007
00:47:52,707 --> 00:47:55,107
Speaker 22: be a different midfield, and they should different be be

1008
00:47:55,147 --> 00:47:57,947
Speaker 22: a different bactory. But I just thought the pack front

1009
00:47:57,987 --> 00:48:00,307
Speaker 22: it'd superbly in the most incredible conditions.

1010
00:48:00,347 --> 00:48:02,307
Speaker 20: I mean, sixty two thousand people.

1011
00:48:02,347 --> 00:48:06,867
Speaker 22: Nutters that Ellis Park, there's fervor of this spring Box

1012
00:48:06,907 --> 00:48:09,587
Speaker 22: the plane flying over again, and it really reminded me

1013
00:48:09,667 --> 00:48:11,867
Speaker 22: that I was there ninety five. It reminded me so

1014
00:48:11,947 --> 00:48:13,827
Speaker 22: much of that. And it's a credit to this All

1015
00:48:13,867 --> 00:48:16,587
Speaker 22: Black side that they were. They were in the context,

1016
00:48:16,587 --> 00:48:18,467
Speaker 22: but I just felt one or two big decisions. And

1017
00:48:18,547 --> 00:48:20,547
Speaker 22: that comes from a side that settlement's been together for

1018
00:48:20,587 --> 00:48:23,107
Speaker 22: six years and a side that's in its first season.

1019
00:48:23,747 --> 00:48:25,267
Speaker 22: But there's not a hell of a lot between the

1020
00:48:25,267 --> 00:48:26,667
Speaker 22: two teams, and I can tell you know when so

1021
00:48:26,707 --> 00:48:28,187
Speaker 22: that gets us in the next They're gonna have to

1022
00:48:28,187 --> 00:48:29,227
Speaker 22: play very well to win.

1023
00:48:29,387 --> 00:48:32,147
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great analysis. It really is about the settled

1024
00:48:32,227 --> 00:48:34,667
Speaker 2: nature of the South African side. I saw Victor Matfield

1025
00:48:34,747 --> 00:48:38,067
Speaker 2: on Supersports coverage afterwards say this is the best spring

1026
00:48:38,107 --> 00:48:41,347
Speaker 2: Box team we have ever seen. Do you agree with that?

1027
00:48:42,467 --> 00:48:45,027
Speaker 20: Not at all. I think the twenty nineteen would whip them.

1028
00:48:45,187 --> 00:48:49,267
Speaker 22: Okay, the two and nine team that beat the All Blacks,

1029
00:48:49,347 --> 00:48:51,507
Speaker 22: they've been a very special All Black side, and you

1030
00:48:51,547 --> 00:48:53,467
Speaker 22: know they played against some very special or back sides,

1031
00:48:53,467 --> 00:48:55,587
Speaker 22: so everything is relative to And he was part of

1032
00:48:55,627 --> 00:48:58,667
Speaker 22: that magnificent two thousand and seven Worl Cup winning side

1033
00:48:58,787 --> 00:49:00,587
Speaker 22: two thousand and nine that beat the All Blacks three

1034
00:49:00,627 --> 00:49:03,107
Speaker 22: times in succession, beat the British and Irish lines, and

1035
00:49:03,547 --> 00:49:05,667
Speaker 22: you know, but for the odd decision in twenty eleven,

1036
00:49:05,707 --> 00:49:05,987
Speaker 22: I've got.

1037
00:49:05,947 --> 00:49:07,187
Speaker 20: To walk in for that semi final.

1038
00:49:07,227 --> 00:49:10,467
Speaker 22: But no, like everything is, you know, like you know

1039
00:49:10,467 --> 00:49:11,947
Speaker 22: what they say, he's out of side, out of mind.

1040
00:49:12,187 --> 00:49:14,547
Speaker 22: I still believe that two thousand and nine walk upside

1041
00:49:14,747 --> 00:49:17,387
Speaker 22: and the mighty Richie McCaw one hundred and forty.

1042
00:49:17,267 --> 00:49:18,667
Speaker 20: Eight tests fifteen defeats.

1043
00:49:18,747 --> 00:49:20,387
Speaker 22: He says, the team he's played against, and what's the

1044
00:49:20,387 --> 00:49:22,827
Speaker 22: greatest was that that's we walked team of two thousand

1045
00:49:22,867 --> 00:49:25,627
Speaker 22: and nine. So I acknowledge what this team has done

1046
00:49:25,907 --> 00:49:28,547
Speaker 22: and they've they've had wonderful wins. But if I look

1047
00:49:28,547 --> 00:49:30,307
Speaker 22: at the quality of that two thousand and nine side,

1048
00:49:30,347 --> 00:49:31,947
Speaker 22: if I stuck them on the field against this side,

1049
00:49:31,987 --> 00:49:33,507
Speaker 22: I'm back in the two thousand nine side.

1050
00:49:34,507 --> 00:49:36,347
Speaker 2: And just a word on Tony Brown, who of course

1051
00:49:36,427 --> 00:49:39,427
Speaker 2: is now part of the South African coaching setup. Can

1052
00:49:39,467 --> 00:49:41,947
Speaker 2: you see his imprint on this side?

1053
00:49:41,947 --> 00:49:42,187
Speaker 23: Mark?

1054
00:49:43,747 --> 00:49:46,107
Speaker 22: I can, and there's people who are raving about it,

1055
00:49:46,107 --> 00:49:47,707
Speaker 22: and there's people are saying, what the hell's he doing?

1056
00:49:47,747 --> 00:49:49,227
Speaker 20: He's trying to make us play like New Zealand.

1057
00:49:49,467 --> 00:49:54,907
Speaker 22: So there's definitely been an evolution of the side at

1058
00:49:54,907 --> 00:49:57,067
Speaker 22: the moment. And I think also, I think he's had

1059
00:49:57,067 --> 00:49:59,627
Speaker 22: a big say in the young first five sash of

1060
00:49:59,627 --> 00:50:03,147
Speaker 22: Feinberg Gomezzoulu, who I've watched play since he was fifteen

1061
00:50:03,227 --> 00:50:06,107
Speaker 22: sixteen at Bishops in Cape Town. He's just a wonderfully

1062
00:50:06,347 --> 00:50:08,947
Speaker 22: se talent. He's the closest I've ever seen to a

1063
00:50:09,067 --> 00:50:12,067
Speaker 22: Dang Carter type ten and just how naturally he's just

1064
00:50:12,107 --> 00:50:14,107
Speaker 22: going to make mistakes, but he actually owns the game.

1065
00:50:14,107 --> 00:50:16,027
Speaker 20: And I see this wonderful.

1066
00:50:16,227 --> 00:50:19,707
Speaker 22: Kind of evolution of him and this this mentor andship

1067
00:50:19,707 --> 00:50:22,227
Speaker 22: of hundred Pollard with him. So they've got a gem

1068
00:50:22,267 --> 00:50:23,867
Speaker 22: in that. And I looked when I looked at today's

1069
00:50:23,867 --> 00:50:25,627
Speaker 22: Test match as well, it was one of those where

1070
00:50:26,507 --> 00:50:29,987
Speaker 22: so he's come through, Fussy did well today, these individuals

1071
00:50:29,987 --> 00:50:31,387
Speaker 22: that have come through. But I looked at that New

1072
00:50:31,467 --> 00:50:33,787
Speaker 22: Zealand side, I thought Scott Robinson would go away and

1073
00:50:33,827 --> 00:50:35,747
Speaker 22: say they packed did particularly well.

1074
00:50:35,987 --> 00:50:39,027
Speaker 20: Certain people did well, but he knows Richie Wonga has

1075
00:50:39,027 --> 00:50:41,027
Speaker 20: got to come back. That's his tent. You know, if

1076
00:50:41,067 --> 00:50:42,707
Speaker 20: you had a Brodie were Retallic and a Shannon for

1077
00:50:42,707 --> 00:50:45,627
Speaker 20: a Zell in that pack, what a difference. So the big.

1078
00:50:45,427 --> 00:50:47,787
Speaker 22: Discussion in South Africa is you've got three of the

1079
00:50:47,787 --> 00:50:49,507
Speaker 22: best players in the world and they're playing off Shawan,

1080
00:50:49,547 --> 00:50:50,267
Speaker 22: you don't pick them.

1081
00:50:50,587 --> 00:50:52,467
Speaker 20: We did that and we were seventh in the world.

1082
00:50:52,667 --> 00:50:54,747
Speaker 22: We then started picking off short players and we became

1083
00:50:54,787 --> 00:50:56,587
Speaker 22: world champions two times in.

1084
00:50:56,547 --> 00:50:57,947
Speaker 20: A row and we number one in the world.

1085
00:50:58,187 --> 00:51:01,547
Speaker 22: So it's when New Zealand starts picking the best twenty

1086
00:51:01,547 --> 00:51:02,267
Speaker 22: three available.

1087
00:51:02,387 --> 00:51:03,867
Speaker 20: I don't know, it's going to be a very different

1088
00:51:03,867 --> 00:51:04,747
Speaker 20: ballgame at the moment.

1089
00:51:04,787 --> 00:51:07,387
Speaker 2: Oh, you've opened up that can of words for our listeners, Mark,

1090
00:51:07,427 --> 00:51:10,707
Speaker 2: I love it. Another another chapter in the storied history

1091
00:51:10,747 --> 00:51:13,467
Speaker 2: between these two sides. Really appreciate you joining us to

1092
00:51:13,467 --> 00:51:14,987
Speaker 2: break it down across New Zealand today.

1093
00:51:16,147 --> 00:51:18,547
Speaker 20: All right, thanks mate, and down to all New Zealanders.

1094
00:51:18,627 --> 00:51:20,347
Speaker 22: Just you know, what a performance from your team and

1095
00:51:20,587 --> 00:51:22,547
Speaker 22: we've been on the receiving one of those close ones.

1096
00:51:22,907 --> 00:51:24,667
Speaker 20: But the tide's going to turn pretty quickly.

1097
00:51:24,707 --> 00:51:27,147
Speaker 22: I can tell you that now this side's coming and

1098
00:51:27,267 --> 00:51:28,747
Speaker 22: save your side's going to be on red alert.

1099
00:51:28,787 --> 00:51:31,347
Speaker 2: Good on you make appreciate your time again. Mark Keohane,

1100
00:51:31,667 --> 00:51:36,387
Speaker 2: South African journalist, commentator, analyst, astute observer of the game

1101
00:51:36,867 --> 00:51:39,067
Speaker 2: one seventeen. We've got time for some more calls, if

1102
00:51:39,067 --> 00:51:40,907
Speaker 2: you'd like to jump aboard and give you all reaction.

1103
00:51:40,987 --> 00:51:43,427
Speaker 2: We didn't get everybody on the air before one o'clock.

1104
00:51:43,467 --> 00:51:45,107
Speaker 2: It was a full board most of the time. If

1105
00:51:45,147 --> 00:51:47,587
Speaker 2: you'd like to take your chances now, Oh, eight hundred

1106
00:51:47,587 --> 00:51:50,947
Speaker 2: and eighty eighty is our number. Nine two nine two

1107
00:51:51,347 --> 00:51:53,627
Speaker 2: is the text line. Got a bunch of texts which

1108
00:51:53,627 --> 00:51:56,707
Speaker 2: I'll try to get to email us Jason at NEWSTALKSEDB

1109
00:51:56,827 --> 00:52:00,827
Speaker 2: dot co dot nz. They're into a second set tiebreaker

1110
00:52:01,347 --> 00:52:05,347
Speaker 2: Alex D. Manure and Daniel Evans Demono won the first

1111
00:52:05,387 --> 00:52:07,667
Speaker 2: set six to three, six all in the second and

1112
00:52:07,747 --> 00:52:10,707
Speaker 2: Evans leads for to one in the tiebreak, so looking

1113
00:52:10,707 --> 00:52:14,147
Speaker 2: to square it up at one set a piece. Danil Medvedev,

1114
00:52:14,587 --> 00:52:16,947
Speaker 2: the fifth seed, is about to take the court as

1115
00:52:16,987 --> 00:52:19,867
Speaker 2: well on Arthur Rash. I think Demonir and Evans are

1116
00:52:19,987 --> 00:52:24,387
Speaker 2: on Louis Armstrong Arena. Did you think that the South

1117
00:52:24,427 --> 00:52:28,747
Speaker 2: Africans were just massive men? I saw that they put

1118
00:52:28,747 --> 00:52:31,507
Speaker 2: the pack weights up at one stage and they were

1119
00:52:31,507 --> 00:52:36,307
Speaker 2: pretty similar really, but they just look enormous, don't they.

1120
00:52:36,707 --> 00:52:40,307
Speaker 2: The South African forwards. I looked at to Mighty Williams

1121
00:52:40,347 --> 00:52:43,627
Speaker 2: and he's a big guy, a big, big unit, but

1122
00:52:43,747 --> 00:52:48,187
Speaker 2: he looks small by comparison to some of the South

1123
00:52:48,227 --> 00:52:53,707
Speaker 2: African guys. It was just so And what impressed me

1124
00:52:53,827 --> 00:52:58,667
Speaker 2: was how we we match them physically. All the talk

1125
00:52:58,747 --> 00:53:00,547
Speaker 2: during the week was about physicality, or a lot of

1126
00:53:00,587 --> 00:53:03,267
Speaker 2: it anyway, and how if you know, if you don't

1127
00:53:03,267 --> 00:53:05,547
Speaker 2: match South Africa physically, you might not turn up.

1128
00:53:05,987 --> 00:53:06,107
Speaker 24: Well.

1129
00:53:06,347 --> 00:53:09,307
Speaker 2: Thought we did and I thought Sam Kine led that thought.

1130
00:53:09,347 --> 00:53:12,627
Speaker 2: Cody Taylor, like I said before, was excellent Ethan Blackadder

1131
00:53:12,667 --> 00:53:17,707
Speaker 2: as well. I thought we really matched them physically. Our

1132
00:53:17,747 --> 00:53:19,667
Speaker 2: set piece was good again, we didn't lose a scrum.

1133
00:53:20,467 --> 00:53:24,147
Speaker 2: The lineouts on the whole were pretty good. But it

1134
00:53:24,267 --> 00:53:29,427
Speaker 2: just stood out to me just what enormous units Africa's

1135
00:53:29,507 --> 00:53:33,347
Speaker 2: players are. Leon says Pinety. You still my thunder. The

1136
00:53:33,427 --> 00:53:35,107
Speaker 2: knock on by the spring box for the first try

1137
00:53:35,187 --> 00:53:38,947
Speaker 2: inexplicably missed. Despite the technology we now have at our disposal.

1138
00:53:39,547 --> 00:53:41,787
Speaker 2: Also by passing the shot at goal to a head scratcher.

1139
00:53:41,787 --> 00:53:43,587
Speaker 2: Even if Damien had missed it, we'd have gotten the

1140
00:53:43,627 --> 00:53:46,867
Speaker 2: ball back with another attacking opportunity. Becking. I still believe

1141
00:53:46,907 --> 00:53:48,587
Speaker 2: we can come back in Cape Town. But Test matches

1142
00:53:48,587 --> 00:53:53,267
Speaker 2: are won by small and important decisions and margins. Thanks Leon,

1143
00:53:53,627 --> 00:53:56,827
Speaker 2: I appreciate it very much. It is one nineteen.

1144
00:53:57,587 --> 00:54:00,347
Speaker 8: Hello John, Hi pony.

1145
00:54:01,307 --> 00:54:03,787
Speaker 18: My view is a little bit different. I'm going back

1146
00:54:03,787 --> 00:54:06,067
Speaker 18: to the preparation for the Test match. I don't think

1147
00:54:06,107 --> 00:54:09,507
Speaker 18: there is and took it seriously enough. The South Africans

1148
00:54:09,547 --> 00:54:12,787
Speaker 18: after the Australian Test, they hauled eleven players out and

1149
00:54:12,827 --> 00:54:15,787
Speaker 18: took them back to train at altitude and they put

1150
00:54:15,907 --> 00:54:18,427
Speaker 18: eleven back and when they when the South Africans played

1151
00:54:18,427 --> 00:54:22,627
Speaker 18: in Perth, they Australia played a B team and we

1152
00:54:22,627 --> 00:54:27,587
Speaker 18: were numpties. We played our second Test against against Argentina

1153
00:54:27,987 --> 00:54:31,227
Speaker 18: and we waited eight days before we took our team

1154
00:54:31,307 --> 00:54:35,987
Speaker 18: to train at altitude. It was and then, as as

1155
00:54:35,987 --> 00:54:38,347
Speaker 18: many of your callers have said, that kick at the

1156
00:54:38,467 --> 00:54:42,747
Speaker 18: end was vital. It gave our players arrest. Whether they

1157
00:54:42,947 --> 00:54:44,947
Speaker 18: whether they got it or not, we would have got

1158
00:54:44,987 --> 00:54:45,547
Speaker 18: the ball back.

1159
00:54:45,867 --> 00:54:46,387
Speaker 11: So just on.

1160
00:54:47,587 --> 00:54:49,507
Speaker 2: Yeah, John, I'm going to come back to that, but

1161
00:54:49,627 --> 00:54:52,667
Speaker 2: just on the on the bit about the team we lost.

1162
00:54:52,747 --> 00:54:54,947
Speaker 2: We lost to Argentina and Wellington, so I think it

1163
00:54:54,947 --> 00:54:57,707
Speaker 2: would have been a very bold move to take out

1164
00:54:57,907 --> 00:55:01,027
Speaker 2: ten or eleven starters for the second Test against Argentina

1165
00:55:01,067 --> 00:55:01,587
Speaker 2: and Auckland.

1166
00:55:02,467 --> 00:55:05,027
Speaker 18: No, I agree. I agree with that, Pinny. What I'm

1167
00:55:05,067 --> 00:55:07,907
Speaker 18: saying is that the ten minutes after the test was over,

1168
00:55:08,347 --> 00:55:11,067
Speaker 18: we should have been on the plane to South Africa.

1169
00:55:11,347 --> 00:55:16,387
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not wait a week? Yeah they went. They

1170
00:55:16,387 --> 00:55:18,587
Speaker 2: went on the Friday. Yeah, I know, I'm spoiling here. Yeah,

1171
00:55:18,587 --> 00:55:21,187
Speaker 2: they went on the Friday. So what's that year? Six days? Yeah, No,

1172
00:55:21,427 --> 00:55:23,107
Speaker 2: I get it. I get it. So you think the

1173
00:55:24,827 --> 00:55:27,707
Speaker 2: adjusting to the altitude was a big part of what

1174
00:55:27,747 --> 00:55:30,347
Speaker 2: you saw this morning, the non adjustment that happened with

1175
00:55:30,387 --> 00:55:32,987
Speaker 2: only a week there, one hundred percent.

1176
00:55:33,067 --> 00:55:35,987
Speaker 18: When we got to ten twelve minutes to go, we

1177
00:55:36,027 --> 00:55:39,547
Speaker 18: looked like we were puffing and blowing, and that that

1178
00:55:39,627 --> 00:55:43,187
Speaker 18: transpired transpired, I reckon into the way they gave that

1179
00:55:43,227 --> 00:55:47,387
Speaker 18: penalty away. We just flopped on the ball. We didn't

1180
00:55:47,587 --> 00:55:51,387
Speaker 18: we had no energy left, Piney. We just didn't take

1181
00:55:51,427 --> 00:55:54,907
Speaker 18: it seriously enough. South Africa wanted to beat us. They

1182
00:55:54,987 --> 00:55:58,427
Speaker 18: took their players out of out from Melbourne straight back

1183
00:55:58,467 --> 00:56:03,307
Speaker 18: to training at altitude and we were left with what

1184
00:56:03,347 --> 00:56:05,627
Speaker 18: the result is. It'll be a different game when we

1185
00:56:05,707 --> 00:56:08,587
Speaker 18: get to Cape down and we're at sea level. But

1186
00:56:08,907 --> 00:56:11,707
Speaker 18: you know, we just we have to take these things.

1187
00:56:12,187 --> 00:56:13,707
Speaker 18: We have to treat them with respect.

1188
00:56:15,867 --> 00:56:16,707
Speaker 2: Thanks for you call, John.

1189
00:56:16,787 --> 00:56:17,067
Speaker 8: Yeah, I.

1190
00:56:18,827 --> 00:56:22,627
Speaker 2: Trying to figure out whether not going as soon as

1191
00:56:22,627 --> 00:56:26,427
Speaker 2: physically possible, i e. The next day, is not taking

1192
00:56:26,427 --> 00:56:30,147
Speaker 2: it seriously. I don't think any of your Blacks team

1193
00:56:30,227 --> 00:56:33,347
Speaker 2: against South Africa has never not taken it seriously. But John,

1194
00:56:33,587 --> 00:56:37,707
Speaker 2: I don't mean to, you know, downplay your point that, yes,

1195
00:56:37,747 --> 00:56:41,827
Speaker 2: physically they could have. They played against Argentina and Auckland

1196
00:56:41,867 --> 00:56:43,987
Speaker 2: on the seventeenth of August. That was a Saturday night,

1197
00:56:44,827 --> 00:56:48,467
Speaker 2: so feasibly they could have gone the next day, eighteenth

1198
00:56:48,507 --> 00:56:50,867
Speaker 2: of August, and that would have given them two weeks

1199
00:56:51,267 --> 00:56:55,667
Speaker 2: in Joe Burke, would it have made a material difference?

1200
00:56:55,707 --> 00:56:59,227
Speaker 2: Maybe we will never know. I guess you always talk

1201
00:56:59,227 --> 00:57:04,147
Speaker 2: about acclimatizing, especially when you go to altitude. Yeah, maybe

1202
00:57:04,147 --> 00:57:07,147
Speaker 2: if they had been there for two weeks, would it

1203
00:57:07,147 --> 00:57:09,307
Speaker 2: would have made a material difference. I appreciate you bringing

1204
00:57:09,307 --> 00:57:11,947
Speaker 2: it up, John oh eight one hundred and eighty ten

1205
00:57:12,027 --> 00:57:13,787
Speaker 2: eighty one twenty three. We're back after this with more

1206
00:57:13,787 --> 00:57:14,347
Speaker 2: of your calls.

1207
00:57:14,867 --> 00:57:20,507
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1208
00:57:20,667 --> 00:57:24,067
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1209
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1210
00:57:25,027 --> 00:57:26,787
Speaker 2: News Talks will be one twenty six couple of text.

1211
00:57:26,867 --> 00:57:28,627
Speaker 2: Joe says Jason. The officials need to be seen to

1212
00:57:28,667 --> 00:57:30,747
Speaker 2: be held to account for the glaring miss of the

1213
00:57:30,827 --> 00:57:34,347
Speaker 2: knock on for South Africa's first try. It's an indefensible

1214
00:57:34,507 --> 00:57:36,947
Speaker 2: error when we know how quick they can be to

1215
00:57:36,987 --> 00:57:39,707
Speaker 2: pick up on marginal head high tackles Joe. It's a

1216
00:57:39,707 --> 00:57:44,507
Speaker 2: good point again. I just want to reiterate, just so

1217
00:57:44,587 --> 00:57:49,147
Speaker 2: that there's no confusion here. My view, and you might

1218
00:57:49,187 --> 00:57:51,587
Speaker 2: not share my view, is that it didn't cost us

1219
00:57:51,587 --> 00:57:54,987
Speaker 2: the game. The reason we lost the game wasn't the

1220
00:57:54,987 --> 00:57:57,827
Speaker 2: missed knock on and what was it the tenth eleventh

1221
00:57:57,827 --> 00:58:05,067
Speaker 2: minute of the game. But the missed call still needs examination.

1222
00:58:06,547 --> 00:58:09,627
Speaker 2: There still needs to be an explanation given as to

1223
00:58:09,787 --> 00:58:14,547
Speaker 2: why on Earth it wasn't looked at by the TMO.

1224
00:58:14,707 --> 00:58:16,787
Speaker 2: At the risk of repeating what I said last hour,

1225
00:58:17,387 --> 00:58:21,587
Speaker 2: at the very very least, there is doubt as to

1226
00:58:21,627 --> 00:58:27,107
Speaker 2: whether he's got that down without knocking it on. There's

1227
00:58:27,867 --> 00:58:31,907
Speaker 2: doubt that he achieved contact with the ball all the

1228
00:58:31,947 --> 00:58:35,947
Speaker 2: way down to the tryline. So why not just take

1229
00:58:35,987 --> 00:58:39,947
Speaker 2: time off and have a look at it. As Joja said,

1230
00:58:39,947 --> 00:58:43,667
Speaker 2: they in forensic detail examine things like head high tackles.

1231
00:58:43,747 --> 00:58:48,227
Speaker 2: I'll go back five or six phases on things referred.

1232
00:58:48,267 --> 00:58:51,187
Speaker 2: It even take time off for the TMO to have

1233
00:58:51,187 --> 00:58:53,907
Speaker 2: a look at it. I know the TMO as the

1234
00:58:53,947 --> 00:58:55,867
Speaker 2: one who says to the referee, hete I think we

1235
00:58:55,867 --> 00:58:58,147
Speaker 2: should have a look at this, So why didn't he?

1236
00:58:58,947 --> 00:59:01,987
Speaker 2: Why didn't he? It just doesn't make sense. It's not

1237
00:59:02,027 --> 00:59:04,387
Speaker 2: the reason they lost the game, but it's a talking point.

1238
00:59:04,587 --> 00:59:08,147
Speaker 2: It's being talked about all over the place. There was

1239
00:59:08,307 --> 00:59:10,507
Speaker 2: Art's embarrassing that we're talking about this. We're focusing on

1240
00:59:10,547 --> 00:59:12,347
Speaker 2: this one thing. I think we're focused on quite a

1241
00:59:12,347 --> 00:59:15,507
Speaker 2: few things in the last ninety minutes or so, but

1242
00:59:15,827 --> 00:59:18,787
Speaker 2: that is it's a talking point. No matter which way

1243
00:59:18,827 --> 00:59:20,947
Speaker 2: you look at it, No matter which way you look

1244
00:59:20,987 --> 00:59:26,227
Speaker 2: at it, Michael says pintly, when you climb Mount Everest,

1245
00:59:26,547 --> 00:59:28,547
Speaker 2: you go to base camp for a week to acclimatize.

1246
00:59:28,587 --> 00:59:32,427
Speaker 2: You don't climb the mountain straight away. I believe the

1247
00:59:32,467 --> 00:59:36,787
Speaker 2: extra cost of accommodation, security, etc. Couldn't be justified. But

1248
00:59:36,867 --> 00:59:39,987
Speaker 2: for me, it's win at all costs. I think they probably.

1249
00:59:39,987 --> 00:59:42,667
Speaker 2: I think if Scott Robertson had said, or whoever makes

1250
00:59:42,707 --> 00:59:45,427
Speaker 2: these decisions as a coaching group, management staff, whoever had

1251
00:59:45,467 --> 00:59:49,787
Speaker 2: said to you know, whoever it is to Mark Robinson

1252
00:59:49,827 --> 00:59:51,587
Speaker 2: I presume, or to the board or whatever, Hey, we

1253
00:59:51,707 --> 00:59:55,227
Speaker 2: think if we went to joe Berg the day after

1254
00:59:55,267 --> 00:59:57,547
Speaker 2: the second Argentina Test, that will give us the best

1255
00:59:57,587 --> 00:59:59,627
Speaker 2: possible opportunity to win the test match. I think they

1256
00:59:59,667 --> 01:00:01,587
Speaker 2: probably would have got the green light for it. They

1257
01:00:01,627 --> 01:00:03,707
Speaker 2: probably would have got the tick. So you can only

1258
01:00:03,747 --> 01:00:06,827
Speaker 2: assume that that wasn't something that was suggested to the

1259
01:00:06,827 --> 01:00:09,587
Speaker 2: powers that be. I know they flew out on the Friday,

1260
01:00:10,267 --> 01:00:12,707
Speaker 2: they flew through. It's a long way to South Africa,

1261
01:00:13,187 --> 01:00:16,547
Speaker 2: you know. Again, that perhaps plays into this as well.

1262
01:00:16,867 --> 01:00:18,467
Speaker 2: If they left on the Friday, I think they arrived

1263
01:00:18,467 --> 01:00:22,707
Speaker 2: probably late on Saturday evening local time, so they still

1264
01:00:22,747 --> 01:00:27,387
Speaker 2: had a whole week. And look, we've been traveling up

1265
01:00:27,467 --> 01:00:31,627
Speaker 2: until recently for years to South Africa as Super rugby

1266
01:00:31,667 --> 01:00:36,667
Speaker 2: teams and collected a lot of ip on what is

1267
01:00:36,707 --> 01:00:39,627
Speaker 2: best as far as traveling all that way and getting

1268
01:00:39,707 --> 01:00:42,427
Speaker 2: optimal performance, because the other part of it is if

1269
01:00:42,467 --> 01:00:44,027
Speaker 2: you're there for two weeks, what are you supposed to

1270
01:00:44,107 --> 01:00:47,707
Speaker 2: do for two weeks? And Johannesburg you can't go out,

1271
01:00:48,987 --> 01:00:51,467
Speaker 2: You're stuck inside the hotel room. You go stir crazy

1272
01:00:51,507 --> 01:00:53,507
Speaker 2: a little bit. I know they can do activities and

1273
01:00:53,547 --> 01:00:56,627
Speaker 2: things like that, but that's a long time to build

1274
01:00:56,707 --> 01:00:58,907
Speaker 2: up to a test match. They often say these players

1275
01:00:58,907 --> 01:01:01,947
Speaker 2: that the week of a test match drags, especially the

1276
01:01:02,027 --> 01:01:04,987
Speaker 2: last two or three days as they you know, get

1277
01:01:05,147 --> 01:01:07,907
Speaker 2: ready for the battle. So if that's the case over

1278
01:01:08,107 --> 01:01:10,307
Speaker 2: a week long build up, what would it be like

1279
01:01:10,347 --> 01:01:13,387
Speaker 2: over two weeks. Here's Damien McKinsey post match with our

1280
01:01:13,507 --> 01:01:15,707
Speaker 2: rugby editor and match commentator Elliott Smith.

1281
01:01:15,827 --> 01:01:18,827
Speaker 4: Damie McKenzie Demien thoughts on was a pretty tough test match.

1282
01:01:19,867 --> 01:01:22,147
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a It was a tough tough test match.

1283
01:01:22,147 --> 01:01:24,787
Speaker 10: Obviously you're easy playing over here he else Park, But

1284
01:01:24,827 --> 01:01:27,107
Speaker 10: I think you know, we've done enough in first half

1285
01:01:27,107 --> 01:01:30,387
Speaker 10: and particularly sort of the first quarter the second half to

1286
01:01:31,627 --> 01:01:33,747
Speaker 10: do enough to win. And I guess, Yeah, we kind

1287
01:01:33,747 --> 01:01:35,267
Speaker 10: of a little bit foot off the peel in the

1288
01:01:35,347 --> 01:01:39,587
Speaker 10: last fifteen twenty little bit of discipline and particular against

1289
01:01:39,587 --> 01:01:42,027
Speaker 10: the South African side, you can't give them that opportunity.

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Speaker 10: So yeah, a little bit disappointing, but we know.

1291
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Speaker 2: That some good stuff there too.

1292
01:01:45,107 --> 01:01:47,387
Speaker 4: Yeah, the last twenty minutes, I guess the crucial part

1293
01:01:47,387 --> 01:01:49,067
Speaker 4: of the game. You lead by ten points but just

1294
01:01:49,107 --> 01:01:51,907
Speaker 4: couldn't quite close it out with How crucial was that

1295
01:01:51,907 --> 01:01:53,947
Speaker 4: discipline later on that just you couldn't quite get right.

1296
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Speaker 10: Yeah, we kind of put ourselves under a little bit

1297
01:01:55,827 --> 01:02:00,027
Speaker 10: of pressure by our discipline and ah yeah, so they

1298
01:02:00,107 --> 01:02:02,347
Speaker 10: putting us in the corners in great suit piece sab

1299
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Speaker 10: Ashkan boys. So yeah, I think we're have to something

1300
01:02:04,827 --> 01:02:07,547
Speaker 10: we have a look at and around, I guess, making

1301
01:02:07,547 --> 01:02:09,067
Speaker 10: sure we don't take the foot off the throat around

1302
01:02:09,067 --> 01:02:12,307
Speaker 10: that last twenty minutes, making sure we're still playing rugby

1303
01:02:12,307 --> 01:02:13,707
Speaker 10: and backing ourselves.

1304
01:02:13,787 --> 01:02:15,587
Speaker 4: Do you feel, you know, scoring twenty seven points at

1305
01:02:15,587 --> 01:02:18,107
Speaker 4: als Park, You know that the attack clicks, but maybe

1306
01:02:18,187 --> 01:02:20,467
Speaker 4: just you're not far away from getting that performance that

1307
01:02:20,547 --> 01:02:21,667
Speaker 4: maybe next week in cap Down.

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01:02:21,907 --> 01:02:22,387
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

1309
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Speaker 10: I think there were some great moments tonight with our

1310
01:02:24,227 --> 01:02:28,147
Speaker 10: attack scored some good tries off set piece. I think

1311
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Speaker 10: particularly early on in the first half we looked really

1312
01:02:30,267 --> 01:02:32,587
Speaker 10: good on our attacking side of the ball, and yeah,

1313
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Speaker 10: I think we had periods we were great. So I

1314
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Speaker 10: don't think it's far far away in terms of clicking

1315
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Speaker 10: and putting it all together. So that's eighty minute game,

1316
01:02:40,547 --> 01:02:41,907
Speaker 10: so it's all we got to put everything together for.

1317
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Speaker 4: It was a real battle of kicking, technical and also

1318
01:02:45,187 --> 01:02:47,187
Speaker 4: penalty kicking as well out there. How did you find

1319
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Speaker 4: it as a ten sort of navigating what was going

1320
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Speaker 4: on out there?

1321
01:02:50,027 --> 01:02:51,267
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously there's a lot of kicking.

1322
01:02:51,667 --> 01:02:54,947
Speaker 10: I've got some great kickers on their side and probably

1323
01:02:55,147 --> 01:02:57,027
Speaker 10: maybe lost that bet or late in the second half

1324
01:02:57,907 --> 01:02:58,787
Speaker 10: they kicked really well.

1325
01:02:58,787 --> 01:03:01,027
Speaker 2: We probably kicked maybe a little bit of ball away.

1326
01:03:01,067 --> 01:03:03,547
Speaker 10: But I still think there was times where we did

1327
01:03:03,547 --> 01:03:05,747
Speaker 10: a good job in terms of that. And yeah, again

1328
01:03:05,907 --> 01:03:07,867
Speaker 10: when yeah, your discipline is not as good as it

1329
01:03:07,867 --> 01:03:09,507
Speaker 10: should be, put you on in a little bit of appresciure.

1330
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Speaker 10: But like I said, I think there's some good stuff

1331
01:03:11,387 --> 01:03:13,347
Speaker 10: there that we know we can take away into next

1332
01:03:13,347 --> 01:03:14,787
Speaker 10: weekend and put it all together.

1333
01:03:16,227 --> 01:03:18,907
Speaker 2: It's Damien McKenzie speaking with Elliot Smith after the game.

1334
01:03:18,947 --> 01:03:23,427
Speaker 2: He also caught up with starting prop Tyrol Lomax commiserations.

1335
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Speaker 4: It was a tough test out there. What did you

1336
01:03:25,707 --> 01:03:28,387
Speaker 4: make of I guess that the physical encounter that it was.

1337
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Speaker 25: Yeah, they played exactly how we expected them to direct physical.

1338
01:03:35,187 --> 01:03:38,347
Speaker 2: I thought we played really well from large parts.

1339
01:03:38,187 --> 01:03:38,587
Speaker 22: Of that game.

1340
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Speaker 25: It's just yeah, so that looks quite disapparning.

1341
01:03:41,947 --> 01:03:43,827
Speaker 4: You had a unique position, You're office off by that

1342
01:03:43,867 --> 01:03:45,707
Speaker 4: point in time, but the last twenty minutes just didn't

1343
01:03:45,707 --> 01:03:47,627
Speaker 4: feel like it clicked as well as the first hour.

1344
01:03:47,667 --> 01:03:49,347
Speaker 4: What were you seeing from the touch line?

1345
01:03:49,627 --> 01:03:52,107
Speaker 25: Yeah, it's going to be a lot more clinical, a

1346
01:03:52,147 --> 01:03:55,307
Speaker 25: lot more discipline. Gave them too many locks inside our

1347
01:03:55,347 --> 01:03:55,787
Speaker 25: twenty two.

1348
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Speaker 4: Does it feel like if you fixed that up then

1349
01:03:58,387 --> 01:04:01,147
Speaker 4: seven days time in Cape Town, then you can capitalize

1350
01:04:01,267 --> 01:04:02,547
Speaker 4: and get a win over the spring Box on.

1351
01:04:02,627 --> 01:04:05,387
Speaker 25: One hundred percent. Like I said with a fellow, we're

1352
01:04:05,387 --> 01:04:09,067
Speaker 25: on top for a part of that game, come out

1353
01:04:09,107 --> 01:04:11,467
Speaker 25: a half time, had a really good fifteen minutes after that,

1354
01:04:11,627 --> 01:04:14,067
Speaker 25: so a lot of positives to take. It's just yeah,

1355
01:04:14,107 --> 01:04:17,267
Speaker 25: that last ten to fifteen minutes were going to be better.

1356
01:04:17,427 --> 01:04:19,067
Speaker 4: How did you find the ford battle of the scrum

1357
01:04:19,107 --> 01:04:23,067
Speaker 4: battle throughout that match? Was pretty ding dong, wasn't it.

1358
01:04:23,347 --> 01:04:23,667
Speaker 9: It was?

1359
01:04:23,747 --> 01:04:25,027
Speaker 25: Yeah?

1360
01:04:25,307 --> 01:04:25,947
Speaker 4: Like I said, they.

1361
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Speaker 7: We know how they play.

1362
01:04:28,427 --> 01:04:31,267
Speaker 25: They played direct, physical, They want to scrum your line out,

1363
01:04:32,027 --> 01:04:33,827
Speaker 25: and I thought we competed really well in that area.

1364
01:04:33,867 --> 01:04:35,587
Speaker 25: A few scrums, we just let them get what they

1365
01:04:35,627 --> 01:04:37,267
Speaker 25: want around the setup.

1366
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Speaker 7: So yeah, we'll review that and be a lot better

1367
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Speaker 7: next week.

1368
01:04:40,507 --> 01:04:40,707
Speaker 20: Yeah.

1369
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Speaker 4: But if you feel that the team last couple of performances, Wellington,

1370
01:04:43,627 --> 01:04:46,267
Speaker 4: perhaps aside that you are building to some really good

1371
01:04:46,307 --> 01:04:47,067
Speaker 4: stuff at the moment.

1372
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Speaker 25: Yeah, definitely, we're looking like a lot better team. Yeah,

1373
01:04:53,707 --> 01:04:56,867
Speaker 25: it's just clinical and those real crucial moments.

1374
01:04:57,107 --> 01:05:00,507
Speaker 2: It's to Rollomax. Speaking with our rugby editor Elliott Smith

1375
01:05:00,667 --> 01:05:04,467
Speaker 2: post game a couple more texts before we pivot into

1376
01:05:04,547 --> 01:05:07,027
Speaker 2: a different topic, Piney says Cross he saw the first

1377
01:05:07,027 --> 01:05:08,947
Speaker 2: hour of the Test. I thought it was the most

1378
01:05:08,987 --> 01:05:11,427
Speaker 2: complete performance I've seen from an all Black team in

1379
01:05:11,427 --> 01:05:13,427
Speaker 2: a very long time. Chris, I have to agree that

1380
01:05:13,587 --> 01:05:16,507
Speaker 2: the first hour was good, very good, excellent in fact

1381
01:05:16,707 --> 01:05:21,387
Speaker 2: in many facets. Unfortunately, the last fifteen cost us Ponty

1382
01:05:21,387 --> 01:05:22,947
Speaker 2: shure that have been a penalty try when they got

1383
01:05:22,947 --> 01:05:24,827
Speaker 2: a yellow card for a professional fowl as we were

1384
01:05:24,827 --> 01:05:27,267
Speaker 2: going for the try, yeah, I have that suggested. I

1385
01:05:27,267 --> 01:05:28,667
Speaker 2: don't think it would have mattered if it was a

1386
01:05:28,667 --> 01:05:30,467
Speaker 2: penalty try or not. The fact is he got the

1387
01:05:30,507 --> 01:05:33,387
Speaker 2: yellow card. We scored a try straight away after that

1388
01:05:33,427 --> 01:05:36,267
Speaker 2: through Cody Taylor and it was converted, so you know,

1389
01:05:36,427 --> 01:05:38,467
Speaker 2: I don't think it made a material difference to the game,

1390
01:05:38,507 --> 01:05:41,587
Speaker 2: but it's an interesting talking point. So a yellow card

1391
01:05:41,627 --> 01:05:44,587
Speaker 2: for both sides. Unfortunately, the one for the All Blacks

1392
01:05:44,667 --> 01:05:46,747
Speaker 2: was late in the game and allowed, as I've mentioned

1393
01:05:46,747 --> 01:05:48,787
Speaker 2: a couple of times, for the South Africans to take

1394
01:05:48,787 --> 01:05:53,627
Speaker 2: advantage of their new miracle advantage. It is one thirty

1395
01:05:53,627 --> 01:05:58,627
Speaker 2: four News. Round four of Rugby's bunnings En PC continues

1396
01:05:58,667 --> 01:06:01,787
Speaker 2: this afternoon. Wellington three from three this season. They can

1397
01:06:01,867 --> 01:06:03,667
Speaker 2: join hawks By at the top if they can secure

1398
01:06:03,667 --> 01:06:06,907
Speaker 2: a bonus point a way when over Canterbury this afternoon

1399
01:06:07,107 --> 01:06:10,587
Speaker 2: kick off five past two. Live commentary on Goldsport iHeartRadio,

1400
01:06:10,947 --> 01:06:13,747
Speaker 2: led by the head of our christ Church ZB Sport Bureau,

1401
01:06:14,267 --> 01:06:16,867
Speaker 2: Nick Buley. It joins us you're at only you're a

1402
01:06:17,027 --> 01:06:21,627
Speaker 2: show ground oval today, Nick, how are the conditions good?

1403
01:06:21,627 --> 01:06:25,107
Speaker 23: A piney Yeah, beautiful day here in Canterbury and rung

1404
01:06:25,507 --> 01:06:28,427
Speaker 23: to be precise, it's your first day spring, of course,

1405
01:06:28,467 --> 01:06:31,347
Speaker 23: so expect nothing less, but yeah, twenty degrees I a

1406
01:06:31,467 --> 01:06:35,067
Speaker 23: short spinyes you know, it's pretty good areas when that

1407
01:06:35,227 --> 01:06:37,067
Speaker 23: is the case, to get the carves out. But that

1408
01:06:37,187 --> 01:06:40,987
Speaker 23: great occasion this, of course NPC Rugby came to this

1409
01:06:41,147 --> 01:06:44,587
Speaker 23: very venue last year for the first time. Canterbury beat

1410
01:06:44,747 --> 01:06:49,147
Speaker 23: Taranaki on that occasion and today we welcome Wellington. At

1411
01:06:49,147 --> 01:06:51,587
Speaker 23: the moment, we've just seen the last final stages of

1412
01:06:51,827 --> 01:06:54,547
Speaker 23: the curtain rays of the Southbridge Shield, which is between

1413
01:06:54,867 --> 01:06:58,987
Speaker 23: North Canterbury and Alsmere, the one hundred and first playing

1414
01:06:59,027 --> 01:07:01,627
Speaker 23: of the south Bridge Shield, and North Canterbury are going

1415
01:07:01,667 --> 01:07:05,467
Speaker 23: to comfortably defend their shield fifty five eleven. They lead

1416
01:07:05,787 --> 01:07:07,747
Speaker 23: and drew time at the minute.

1417
01:07:08,027 --> 01:07:09,747
Speaker 2: All right, bit of an up and down season so

1418
01:07:09,827 --> 01:07:12,387
Speaker 2: far for Canterbury. Two wins, two losses in the last

1419
01:07:12,427 --> 01:07:15,507
Speaker 2: seven days. They've beaten Auckland twenty seven to twenty one

1420
01:07:15,587 --> 01:07:18,827
Speaker 2: at Eden Park and lost by exactly the same margin

1421
01:07:18,827 --> 01:07:21,827
Speaker 2: to Hawks Bay at home. Why has consistency been hard

1422
01:07:21,867 --> 01:07:23,427
Speaker 2: to find for the Red and Blacks?

1423
01:07:23,667 --> 01:07:26,547
Speaker 23: Yeah quirky, isn't it? That same score line and you

1424
01:07:26,707 --> 01:07:29,467
Speaker 23: open the season with a good win against Northland at

1425
01:07:29,467 --> 01:07:32,667
Speaker 23: home losing up the road to their neighbors Tasman. I

1426
01:07:32,707 --> 01:07:35,467
Speaker 23: think in these what's now being dubbed storm weeks where

1427
01:07:35,507 --> 01:07:38,467
Speaker 23: they're playing all the NBC teams this year have to

1428
01:07:38,507 --> 01:07:40,707
Speaker 23: play three games in the space of eight days. It

1429
01:07:40,827 --> 01:07:45,947
Speaker 23: is a challenge around those short turnarounds and rotating players

1430
01:07:46,187 --> 01:07:48,467
Speaker 23: in and outs. But look it does feel like a

1431
01:07:48,507 --> 01:07:50,347
Speaker 23: bit of a changing of the guard time at the

1432
01:07:50,347 --> 01:07:52,787
Speaker 23: moment for Canterbury. Yes, there are some familiar faces to

1433
01:07:52,867 --> 01:07:55,627
Speaker 23: this afternoon. For example, we've got Joe Moody back for

1434
01:07:55,667 --> 01:07:57,547
Speaker 23: the first time at Lucy had Prop Braiden in or

1435
01:07:58,107 --> 01:08:01,627
Speaker 23: in the centers. But we've got a fifth different halfback

1436
01:08:01,667 --> 01:08:04,227
Speaker 23: and this is their fifth game for Canterbury with Tyson

1437
01:08:04,307 --> 01:08:06,987
Speaker 23: Bealworthy making his day. But we've got another new first

1438
01:08:06,987 --> 01:08:10,627
Speaker 23: five eighth and shouldn't be Archie, So it's you know,

1439
01:08:10,667 --> 01:08:13,227
Speaker 23: guys like Fergus Burt going overseas. There's been a little

1440
01:08:13,227 --> 01:08:16,907
Speaker 23: bit of turnover, a little bit of injury issues as well,

1441
01:08:16,947 --> 01:08:19,867
Speaker 23: but yeah, look Canterbury will be a little bit frustrated.

1442
01:08:19,867 --> 01:08:21,827
Speaker 23: They were, certainly in that game on Wednesday night against

1443
01:08:21,827 --> 01:08:24,427
Speaker 23: Hawks Bay just couldn't get across the line. But I

1444
01:08:24,507 --> 01:08:27,067
Speaker 23: think once they negotiate that this being the third and

1445
01:08:27,147 --> 01:08:29,587
Speaker 23: final of their three games in eight days, they will

1446
01:08:29,627 --> 01:08:32,787
Speaker 23: sort of look more broadly, perhaps feel a bit more

1447
01:08:33,067 --> 01:08:35,827
Speaker 23: settled around what their best twenty three is and look

1448
01:08:35,907 --> 01:08:38,187
Speaker 23: to attack the second part of the season and build

1449
01:08:38,187 --> 01:08:39,067
Speaker 23: towards the playoffs.

1450
01:08:39,427 --> 01:08:41,827
Speaker 2: As far as the visitors are concerned, Wellington, they won

1451
01:08:41,867 --> 01:08:43,907
Speaker 2: all three of their games so far with bonus points,

1452
01:08:43,907 --> 01:08:46,667
Speaker 2: but they're winning margins have all been in single figures,

1453
01:08:46,707 --> 01:08:49,147
Speaker 2: so it's certainly not as though they've monstered any of

1454
01:08:49,147 --> 01:08:51,627
Speaker 2: their three opponents so far. How do you assess the

1455
01:08:51,667 --> 01:08:53,667
Speaker 2: threat that they'll bring to Canterbury this afternoon?

1456
01:08:54,227 --> 01:08:55,947
Speaker 23: Yeah, look, I think they go in his favorites. You'll

1457
01:08:55,947 --> 01:08:57,907
Speaker 23: probably enjoy me saying that, Piney I.

1458
01:08:59,947 --> 01:09:03,107
Speaker 2: Concur well, Look, win's over Auckland.

1459
01:09:03,107 --> 01:09:04,707
Speaker 23: Who I know, they're having a real tough time of it,

1460
01:09:04,707 --> 01:09:06,747
Speaker 23: aren't they. But twenty nine to twenty one went over

1461
01:09:06,787 --> 01:09:09,067
Speaker 23: Taranaki and then put through their paces a bit last

1462
01:09:09,107 --> 01:09:11,427
Speaker 23: week has to be said against Manowa two before finally

1463
01:09:11,427 --> 01:09:14,347
Speaker 23: coming out on top thirty nine thirty one, but having

1464
01:09:14,347 --> 01:09:18,347
Speaker 23: the benefit of that week long break coming down here

1465
01:09:18,387 --> 01:09:22,547
Speaker 23: to run Yura and still having some really classy players

1466
01:09:22,547 --> 01:09:24,707
Speaker 23: that have been sort of filtered through and have plenty

1467
01:09:24,747 --> 01:09:27,467
Speaker 23: of super rugby experience. Really looking forward, for example, to

1468
01:09:27,507 --> 01:09:31,027
Speaker 23: having another look up close of Peter Larklay at number eight.

1469
01:09:31,067 --> 01:09:33,507
Speaker 23: I think he's got all the hallmarks of a future

1470
01:09:33,507 --> 01:09:37,387
Speaker 23: all black. Same too with Xavin Numa, the loose head props.

1471
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Speaker 23: So look, they've been able to rack up points thirty

1472
01:09:40,187 --> 01:09:43,227
Speaker 23: nine points against Man oh two and whole teams like Taranaki.

1473
01:09:43,227 --> 01:09:46,747
Speaker 23: You is certainly threatening with ball in hand, the defending

1474
01:09:46,827 --> 01:09:49,347
Speaker 23: champions to just nineteen points. I think they've got some

1475
01:09:49,947 --> 01:09:54,067
Speaker 23: encouraging signs under Orlando Soakai. And look, I think with

1476
01:09:54,107 --> 01:09:56,827
Speaker 23: the quality of names I'm seeing here in front of

1477
01:09:56,907 --> 01:09:58,747
Speaker 23: me on the team sheet that they rightly go in

1478
01:09:58,747 --> 01:10:00,347
Speaker 23: his favorites this afternoon.

1479
01:10:00,107 --> 01:10:02,587
Speaker 2: All right, looking forward to your call on Goldsport and iHeartRadio.

1480
01:10:02,627 --> 01:10:04,987
Speaker 2: Has it been a happy Father's Day for you? I

1481
01:10:04,987 --> 01:10:08,187
Speaker 2: think your second day? From memory, I.

1482
01:10:08,147 --> 01:10:09,947
Speaker 23: Was going to say say, yeah, happy Father's Day to

1483
01:10:09,987 --> 01:10:12,587
Speaker 23: you too, Piney year second Father's Day, you're going to

1484
01:10:12,627 --> 01:10:14,067
Speaker 23: be fourteen month old boy theo.

1485
01:10:14,187 --> 01:10:14,747
Speaker 6: So it's been.

1486
01:10:14,667 --> 01:10:15,867
Speaker 2: A special day.

1487
01:10:16,467 --> 01:10:19,387
Speaker 23: Started off well, not quite into Father's Day, but big

1488
01:10:19,467 --> 01:10:23,867
Speaker 23: big wise man and started off with quite an outstanding

1489
01:10:24,387 --> 01:10:26,827
Speaker 23: You know, farewell for Shawn Johnson. I very much enjoyed

1490
01:10:26,827 --> 01:10:30,027
Speaker 23: obviously all blacks quite as flash. But I've got the

1491
01:10:30,067 --> 01:10:33,267
Speaker 23: boy and my wife Kelsey somewhere here in the in

1492
01:10:33,307 --> 01:10:35,907
Speaker 23: the showgrounds enjoying it. That's that's one of the beauties

1493
01:10:35,947 --> 01:10:39,267
Speaker 23: of this of this sort of community rural feel for

1494
01:10:39,307 --> 01:10:42,347
Speaker 23: this NPC game. You can bring your your kidding with

1495
01:10:42,387 --> 01:10:44,667
Speaker 23: a pram, you can bring I think I've even seen

1496
01:10:44,667 --> 01:10:46,867
Speaker 23: a few dogs around, or certainly last year there's a

1497
01:10:46,867 --> 01:10:49,547
Speaker 23: few dogs around sitting up on the little rise embankment

1498
01:10:49,587 --> 01:10:52,187
Speaker 23: on the far side. So it certainly feels more like

1499
01:10:52,187 --> 01:10:55,507
Speaker 23: a heartland type environment than what we're probably accustomed to

1500
01:10:55,507 --> 01:10:57,947
Speaker 23: it some of our biggest stadiums in NPC. So now

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01:10:57,947 --> 01:11:01,987
Speaker 23: it is special, having special having the boy here somewhere

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01:11:02,027 --> 01:11:04,867
Speaker 23: at the ground. And yeah, it's a privilege to be

1503
01:11:05,347 --> 01:11:07,507
Speaker 23: to be a dad for your brilliant stuff.

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01:11:07,507 --> 01:11:09,307
Speaker 2: Now that's exactly how it should be. That's how I

1505
01:11:09,427 --> 01:11:12,787
Speaker 2: believe that's the way forward, not just for Artland Championship Rugby,

1506
01:11:12,787 --> 01:11:15,227
Speaker 2: but for NPC as well. Enjoy your call, Nick, thanks

1507
01:11:15,267 --> 01:11:16,387
Speaker 2: for stopping it.

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01:11:16,507 --> 01:11:17,107
Speaker 23: Cheers Piney.

1509
01:11:17,587 --> 01:11:20,667
Speaker 2: Nick purely has the call of Canterbury v. Wellington Bunnings

1510
01:11:20,707 --> 01:11:23,187
Speaker 2: MPC from five past two, Catch that on Gold Sport

1511
01:11:23,507 --> 01:11:26,667
Speaker 2: and iHeartRadio twenty to two when we come back James

1512
01:11:26,707 --> 01:11:28,467
Speaker 2: mcconey in this regular Sunday slot.

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01:11:30,347 --> 01:11:31,387
Speaker 7: You be the TMO.

1514
01:11:31,667 --> 01:11:34,667
Speaker 1: Have yours say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty Weekend

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01:11:34,707 --> 01:11:39,107
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Pine and GJ. Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's most

1516
01:11:39,147 --> 01:11:41,067
Speaker 1: trusted home builder News Talks.

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01:11:40,827 --> 01:11:44,707
Speaker 2: NB seventeen to two. Let's get to James mcconey. Are

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01:11:44,747 --> 01:11:49,267
Speaker 2: your European tickie tourists? Continuing? Where do we find you today?

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01:11:50,187 --> 01:11:54,267
Speaker 26: I'm on the northern tip of Denmark visiting some great Danes,

1520
01:11:54,627 --> 01:11:56,587
Speaker 26: some old friends of mine who I met when I

1521
01:11:56,627 --> 01:12:00,547
Speaker 26: was on my II in Maidstone, south of London and Kent.

1522
01:12:00,747 --> 01:12:04,787
Speaker 26: So all those years ago, me and the Danes forms

1523
01:12:04,947 --> 01:12:08,867
Speaker 26: formed a pretty strong bond. The Bally Jim Carrey movies

1524
01:12:09,387 --> 01:12:14,587
Speaker 26: that was there where we basically decided, okay, we're going

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01:12:14,627 --> 01:12:15,507
Speaker 26: to be friends for life.

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01:12:15,787 --> 01:12:16,187
Speaker 7: All right?

1527
01:12:16,227 --> 01:12:18,947
Speaker 2: Well, did you and your friends for life from Denmark

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01:12:18,947 --> 01:12:20,347
Speaker 2: get in front of a TV to watch the All

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01:12:20,347 --> 01:12:20,907
Speaker 2: Blacks at All?

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01:12:22,387 --> 01:12:22,587
Speaker 11: Yes?

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01:12:22,667 --> 01:12:26,427
Speaker 26: I managed to fire up the laptop and watch the

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01:12:26,547 --> 01:12:30,347
Speaker 26: test which possibly is it an instant classic? I mean

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01:12:30,587 --> 01:12:33,027
Speaker 26: It's hard to say when the All Blacks lose that

1534
01:12:33,027 --> 01:12:34,547
Speaker 26: that's the case, but I think it might be.

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01:12:34,707 --> 01:12:37,507
Speaker 2: Yeah, a terrific test match. Yeah, And look, most of

1536
01:12:37,547 --> 01:12:39,907
Speaker 2: the feedback we've had today on the show has been

1537
01:12:39,947 --> 01:12:41,907
Speaker 2: about the last sort of ten to fifteen minutes the

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01:12:41,987 --> 01:12:44,627
Speaker 2: yellow card to offer to the Farsi in the way

1539
01:12:44,627 --> 01:12:46,667
Speaker 2: that the spring Box took advantage and sort of rolled

1540
01:12:46,747 --> 01:12:50,507
Speaker 2: over the top. What are your main takeaways, if I

1541
01:12:50,507 --> 01:12:51,627
Speaker 2: can use that cliche.

1542
01:12:53,627 --> 01:12:55,867
Speaker 26: One is I feel like the spring Box are going

1543
01:12:55,907 --> 01:13:00,827
Speaker 26: to lift a gear between World Cup years now. They

1544
01:13:00,907 --> 01:13:03,267
Speaker 26: used to phone it in every now and then and

1545
01:13:03,427 --> 01:13:06,747
Speaker 26: probably leave a few of their big stars untroubled until

1546
01:13:06,747 --> 01:13:09,227
Speaker 26: they really needed them in that you know, sort of

1547
01:13:09,307 --> 01:13:12,787
Speaker 26: nine months before cycle that, you know, so that was

1548
01:13:12,827 --> 01:13:15,187
Speaker 26: the way they played it. But now it just feels

1549
01:13:15,227 --> 01:13:19,267
Speaker 26: that intensity lift. We've got something that rivals really stay

1550
01:13:19,307 --> 01:13:21,667
Speaker 26: of origin intensity now and then.

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01:13:21,747 --> 01:13:24,267
Speaker 7: I mean we've had Springbok tests like that, but they're

1552
01:13:24,307 --> 01:13:25,227
Speaker 7: not always like that.

1553
01:13:25,427 --> 01:13:28,587
Speaker 26: So if this is what is going to happen, then

1554
01:13:28,987 --> 01:13:31,827
Speaker 26: I think I'm all for it because I think it's

1555
01:13:31,867 --> 01:13:35,787
Speaker 26: going to breathe life into rugby. Second thing is you

1556
01:13:35,827 --> 01:13:41,987
Speaker 26: could see Tony Brown's handprints all over that spring Box team,

1557
01:13:42,107 --> 01:13:43,747
Speaker 26: some of those innovative moves.

1558
01:13:43,467 --> 01:13:44,387
Speaker 7: Off a line out.

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01:13:45,547 --> 01:13:49,867
Speaker 26: There was just a real sort of brown esque kind

1560
01:13:49,867 --> 01:13:52,347
Speaker 26: of vibe to the way they play the game and

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01:13:52,987 --> 01:13:55,707
Speaker 26: attacked wholeheartedly with a ball in hand near the end.

1562
01:13:56,387 --> 01:14:00,827
Speaker 26: And my third takeaway is probably that the bomb squad

1563
01:14:00,907 --> 01:14:03,747
Speaker 26: works and why have we not tried to copy it?

1564
01:14:03,747 --> 01:14:07,427
Speaker 26: It just if you're bringing it's the best Dean cam Vincent,

1565
01:14:07,547 --> 01:14:12,347
Speaker 26: cock Quakers, Smith, Malcolm Marx off the bench and they

1566
01:14:12,427 --> 01:14:16,267
Speaker 26: are doing the damage. Are we really stuck in an

1567
01:14:16,267 --> 01:14:20,027
Speaker 26: old style of thinking, which is a bench that just

1568
01:14:20,147 --> 01:14:23,387
Speaker 26: plugs every gap? And are we not thinking enough about

1569
01:14:23,427 --> 01:14:26,187
Speaker 26: impact rather just more about cover.

1570
01:14:26,347 --> 01:14:30,107
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because last weekend or sorry, two weekends ago,

1571
01:14:30,147 --> 01:14:33,467
Speaker 2: the last test News You'll then played Eden parkingst Argentina.

1572
01:14:33,507 --> 01:14:35,347
Speaker 2: They did bring on five at the same time, but

1573
01:14:35,387 --> 01:14:38,347
Speaker 2: it's a very different match situation. They were well clear

1574
01:14:38,387 --> 01:14:40,467
Speaker 2: by then. It was almost like, okay, let' attempted the

1575
01:14:40,507 --> 01:14:42,587
Speaker 2: bench and give some guys some minutes. Do we need

1576
01:14:42,627 --> 01:14:45,347
Speaker 2: to do we need to embrace more. Even though we

1577
01:14:45,987 --> 01:14:47,867
Speaker 2: sort of tend to say yes, it's now a twenty

1578
01:14:47,907 --> 01:14:51,547
Speaker 2: three man game, should we now actually believe that it

1579
01:14:51,667 --> 01:14:52,947
Speaker 2: is a twenty three man game.

1580
01:14:53,867 --> 01:14:55,187
Speaker 7: That's the difference. I think.

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01:14:55,307 --> 01:14:59,147
Speaker 26: I don't think we've quite understood what Rassi has been

1582
01:14:59,147 --> 01:15:02,707
Speaker 26: doing all these years, which is basically sending people on

1583
01:15:02,827 --> 01:15:06,547
Speaker 26: to win games and you know, tooth and nail. How Ever,

1584
01:15:06,907 --> 01:15:09,867
Speaker 26: doesn't matter how it looks, they will, They're going on

1585
01:15:09,947 --> 01:15:11,507
Speaker 26: to finish the job.

1586
01:15:11,827 --> 01:15:13,467
Speaker 7: Whereas I think the All Blacks.

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01:15:13,187 --> 01:15:16,267
Speaker 26: Feel that that, you know, if they get everything right

1588
01:15:16,307 --> 01:15:19,547
Speaker 26: and the processes are good and the strike moves work,

1589
01:15:19,587 --> 01:15:23,147
Speaker 26: they'll be you know, in an untouchable situation with with

1590
01:15:23,947 --> 01:15:26,747
Speaker 26: you know, fifteen minutes to go. But that's not test

1591
01:15:26,867 --> 01:15:29,267
Speaker 26: rugby really and that's why I feel like Russi is

1592
01:15:29,307 --> 01:15:32,347
Speaker 26: the master. And to be honest, the most impressive Bomb

1593
01:15:32,347 --> 01:15:34,507
Speaker 26: squad member for me was Aluric Low.

1594
01:15:35,267 --> 01:15:37,387
Speaker 7: He made a run from from a kickoff. Did you

1595
01:15:37,387 --> 01:15:37,707
Speaker 7: see that?

1596
01:15:38,547 --> 01:15:39,107
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1597
01:15:39,187 --> 01:15:41,347
Speaker 26: Three or four players and I was like, oh, this

1598
01:15:41,427 --> 01:15:44,747
Speaker 26: guy twenty four years old, six ft five, loves forward.

1599
01:15:44,867 --> 01:15:46,707
Speaker 7: Okay, South Africa, we get it.

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01:15:46,827 --> 01:15:49,147
Speaker 26: And there's talent there as well at ten and fifteen,

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01:15:49,587 --> 01:15:52,547
Speaker 26: I think, which that we haven't seen before. That could

1602
01:15:52,547 --> 01:15:55,907
Speaker 26: be you know, could actually take them through the more

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01:15:55,987 --> 01:15:56,627
Speaker 26: World Cups.

1604
01:15:56,747 --> 01:15:58,187
Speaker 7: That's that's the danger.

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01:15:58,307 --> 01:16:00,947
Speaker 2: Yeah. Indeed, well we'll look see. I look forward to

1606
01:16:00,947 --> 01:16:03,667
Speaker 2: seeing how the All Blacks regroup ahead of Cape Town

1607
01:16:03,707 --> 01:16:05,987
Speaker 2: a week from now. Other bits and piece of floating

1608
01:16:06,027 --> 01:16:09,107
Speaker 2: around to Chris Wood got another goal. That's seventy one

1609
01:16:09,147 --> 01:16:12,387
Speaker 2: in the Premier League now, more than Eric Cantona. He's

1610
01:16:12,387 --> 01:16:14,187
Speaker 2: starting to get up into rarerified air.

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01:16:15,907 --> 01:16:20,107
Speaker 7: Who are Chris Wood? Yes? Who are Cantona? He going

1612
01:16:20,227 --> 01:16:22,147
Speaker 7: past Eric Cantona is crazy for me.

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01:16:22,267 --> 01:16:24,467
Speaker 26: But the one thing that I think kwies need to

1614
01:16:24,467 --> 01:16:28,147
Speaker 26: appreciate with Chris Wood is that if Nottingham Forest stay

1615
01:16:28,267 --> 01:16:32,147
Speaker 26: avoid relegation, it'll be because of Chris Wood and no

1616
01:16:32,267 --> 01:16:35,587
Speaker 26: other player. And I don't think you can say more

1617
01:16:35,747 --> 01:16:39,267
Speaker 26: about Chris Wood in the sense that I know, seeing

1618
01:16:39,307 --> 01:16:43,227
Speaker 26: somebody put an entire team, an entire club, famous club,

1619
01:16:43,267 --> 01:16:47,627
Speaker 26: European Cup winning club on his shoulders is just something

1620
01:16:47,627 --> 01:16:50,667
Speaker 26: to behold really, and that's I think that's going to

1621
01:16:50,707 --> 01:16:54,707
Speaker 26: be his you know, his calling card for years is

1622
01:16:54,747 --> 01:16:58,947
Speaker 26: that the guy who could just make things happen for

1623
01:16:59,467 --> 01:17:04,027
Speaker 26: the battler. And look, it was a He's a big unit.

1624
01:17:04,067 --> 01:17:08,867
Speaker 26: It was a headed goal and on target and just exactly.

1625
01:17:08,507 --> 01:17:09,427
Speaker 7: Where he needed to be.

1626
01:17:09,827 --> 01:17:11,907
Speaker 26: And I always look at Chris Wood and just go

1627
01:17:12,187 --> 01:17:17,027
Speaker 26: there's you know, that type of player has been outdated

1628
01:17:17,067 --> 01:17:19,787
Speaker 26: for some time now, but the fact that he's that

1629
01:17:19,907 --> 01:17:24,147
Speaker 26: important and starts games for a big Premier league club

1630
01:17:24,227 --> 01:17:27,667
Speaker 26: like that, it just shows he actually is worth every penny.

1631
01:17:27,667 --> 01:17:31,507
Speaker 26: And I'm glad that we've got someone who's a proper

1632
01:17:32,347 --> 01:17:33,347
Speaker 26: superstar of the game.

1633
01:17:33,667 --> 01:17:36,507
Speaker 2: Now, speaking of pennies or whatever currency you're dealing in

1634
01:17:36,667 --> 01:17:38,507
Speaker 2: right now, did you put any of it on lydia

1635
01:17:38,547 --> 01:17:40,907
Speaker 2: Co last week? We spoke last week she was three

1636
01:17:41,027 --> 01:17:43,987
Speaker 2: rounds in and sort of within striking distance at the

1637
01:17:44,027 --> 01:17:46,467
Speaker 2: Open Championship at the Old Course of s and Andrews.

1638
01:17:46,507 --> 01:17:48,587
Speaker 2: Did you get any of your I don't know what's

1639
01:17:48,587 --> 01:17:49,547
Speaker 2: the Danish currency?

1640
01:17:49,547 --> 01:17:52,747
Speaker 7: Did he put me on any crona?

1641
01:17:54,107 --> 01:17:58,147
Speaker 26: Look, I this is the thing, Pinnie. I was talking

1642
01:17:58,187 --> 01:18:01,667
Speaker 26: her up, and even when I interviewed at the Paris

1643
01:18:01,667 --> 01:18:05,307
Speaker 26: Olympics before she played, I had a feeling. I just thought,

1644
01:18:05,347 --> 01:18:07,627
Speaker 26: the way she's speaking, it sounds like she's going to

1645
01:18:07,707 --> 01:18:09,387
Speaker 26: win the whole shebang.

1646
01:18:09,427 --> 01:18:10,987
Speaker 7: And I mean I.

1647
01:18:10,947 --> 01:18:13,227
Speaker 26: Didn't bet on her then, and she's probably playing forty

1648
01:18:13,267 --> 01:18:14,627
Speaker 26: one dollars or something like that.

1649
01:18:14,747 --> 01:18:17,507
Speaker 7: And then like a muppet.

1650
01:18:17,387 --> 01:18:21,307
Speaker 26: When we're talking last weekend again talking lydia Co up.

1651
01:18:21,307 --> 01:18:22,387
Speaker 7: She's in a great position.

1652
01:18:23,027 --> 01:18:25,947
Speaker 26: You know, Nellie Carter will be worried about her breathing

1653
01:18:25,947 --> 01:18:28,787
Speaker 26: down her neck. Sure enough, lydia Co gets up. Look,

1654
01:18:28,827 --> 01:18:32,747
Speaker 26: I don't know what the word is for for regretting

1655
01:18:33,107 --> 01:18:35,587
Speaker 26: not making bets. I'm sure there's a German word for it,

1656
01:18:35,667 --> 01:18:42,267
Speaker 26: like stupid Betton forgetting or something like that. But that's

1657
01:18:42,307 --> 01:18:44,667
Speaker 26: that's what I That's what I'm feeling right now is Yeah,

1658
01:18:44,667 --> 01:18:48,067
Speaker 26: I'm happy for lydia Coe. But why didn't I listen

1659
01:18:48,147 --> 01:18:53,387
Speaker 26: to the inner sports pundit which says or punter just goes, yeah,

1660
01:18:53,387 --> 01:18:55,707
Speaker 26: that that lydia Coe just looks to be in good

1661
01:18:55,747 --> 01:18:57,707
Speaker 26: form and just seems to have the weight of the

1662
01:18:57,707 --> 01:18:58,907
Speaker 26: world off her shoulders.

1663
01:18:59,307 --> 01:19:02,547
Speaker 2: Indeed, hey, just before you go, Bunn ex MPC continuing

1664
01:19:02,587 --> 01:19:06,107
Speaker 2: over here, you would have noticed that Auckland four from four,

1665
01:19:06,147 --> 01:19:08,267
Speaker 2: but not in a good way. They've lost all of

1666
01:19:08,307 --> 01:19:11,827
Speaker 2: their games. Have you sort of been keeping up with it?

1667
01:19:11,867 --> 01:19:15,067
Speaker 2: And as an out of the box thinker any more

1668
01:19:15,107 --> 01:19:18,147
Speaker 2: thoughts on attracting crowds back to NPC.

1669
01:19:19,507 --> 01:19:21,707
Speaker 26: This is the thing that borrows me Piney. I mean,

1670
01:19:21,707 --> 01:19:23,947
Speaker 26: I'm missing home a little bit, even though I do

1671
01:19:23,987 --> 01:19:28,987
Speaker 26: love the Danes and they're various cheeses and pastries. I

1672
01:19:29,107 --> 01:19:32,307
Speaker 26: still tune in for a bit of Bunnings MPC and

1673
01:19:32,627 --> 01:19:36,987
Speaker 26: just seeing the lack of crowds is fairly sad. I mean,

1674
01:19:37,547 --> 01:19:40,147
Speaker 26: what can you do to revive that? How can you

1675
01:19:40,187 --> 01:19:43,907
Speaker 26: get people back watching rugby. I don't think the rugby

1676
01:19:43,987 --> 01:19:48,067
Speaker 26: is enough, clearly the marketing side of it. I mean,

1677
01:19:48,107 --> 01:19:51,467
Speaker 26: I'm sure they've thrown lots of money at it. Look,

1678
01:19:51,507 --> 01:19:53,347
Speaker 26: I've always felt that it needs to be another event

1679
01:19:53,387 --> 01:19:55,827
Speaker 26: as well down there at a rugby ground, whether it's

1680
01:19:55,867 --> 01:20:00,587
Speaker 26: a farmer's market or you know, some vintage merch which

1681
01:20:00,627 --> 01:20:03,827
Speaker 26: everyone seems to go crazy for these days, or whatever

1682
01:20:03,987 --> 01:20:09,267
Speaker 26: kind of event that you want to host. Maybe throwing

1683
01:20:09,347 --> 01:20:12,067
Speaker 26: hay I mean after raygun at the Olympics and breakdancing.

1684
01:20:12,347 --> 01:20:14,907
Speaker 7: It could be whatever you want to do.

1685
01:20:15,787 --> 01:20:18,547
Speaker 26: They need to think outside of the box because it's.

1686
01:20:18,307 --> 01:20:19,707
Speaker 7: Pretty chronic right now, Piney.

1687
01:20:19,747 --> 01:20:22,987
Speaker 26: And I'm sure even your beloved Wellington lines are struggling.

1688
01:20:23,067 --> 01:20:25,347
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed they are. Well they've taken games to Pottydoor

1689
01:20:25,427 --> 01:20:28,107
Speaker 2: Park where excuse me, I don't mind it. I quite

1690
01:20:28,147 --> 01:20:31,067
Speaker 2: like the smaller grounds. I know it doesn't increase the

1691
01:20:31,067 --> 01:20:33,387
Speaker 2: side of the size of the crowd, But it certainly,

1692
01:20:33,987 --> 01:20:36,187
Speaker 2: I guess makes it look a lot better. And actually

1693
01:20:36,227 --> 01:20:37,787
Speaker 2: it's more of a feel, you know, if you're that

1694
01:20:37,947 --> 01:20:40,147
Speaker 2: close to the ground a a you know, or to

1695
01:20:40,427 --> 01:20:42,787
Speaker 2: the players at a ground like Pottydoor Park compared to

1696
01:20:43,107 --> 01:20:44,867
Speaker 2: sky Stadium, and then all the better as far as

1697
01:20:44,947 --> 01:20:48,387
Speaker 2: the experience is concerned, is you know, from what I

1698
01:20:48,427 --> 01:20:51,427
Speaker 2: can see anyway, we're we're swiftly running out of time.

1699
01:20:51,507 --> 01:20:54,627
Speaker 2: So should we bid each other? How do you say goodbye?

1700
01:20:54,667 --> 01:20:56,427
Speaker 2: In Danish?

1701
01:20:56,507 --> 01:20:56,947
Speaker 7: Well you do?

1702
01:20:57,107 --> 01:20:59,867
Speaker 26: You say Favell, and vill says, which is I'll see

1703
01:20:59,867 --> 01:21:03,027
Speaker 26: you later, So Favell, virsays.

1704
01:21:02,627 --> 01:21:05,627
Speaker 2: And same to you, James, same to you. Enjoy yourself

1705
01:21:05,867 --> 01:21:08,547
Speaker 2: in den and we'll chat to you again next week.

1706
01:21:08,907 --> 01:21:10,787
Speaker 2: Seven and a half away from two. News Talks EB.

1707
01:21:12,067 --> 01:21:14,387
Speaker 1: When it's down to the line, you made a call

1708
01:21:14,547 --> 01:21:19,627
Speaker 1: on n eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Hine News Talk ZEB.

1709
01:21:20,467 --> 01:21:22,747
Speaker 2: Just on four and a halfway from two. Just updating

1710
01:21:22,787 --> 01:21:25,907
Speaker 2: the tennis. Daniel Medvedev is five to three a head

1711
01:21:25,947 --> 01:21:30,787
Speaker 2: in the first set against Flavio Caboli of Italy and

1712
01:21:30,907 --> 01:21:34,347
Speaker 2: forty love up so serving for the set. Alex Deminor

1713
01:21:34,467 --> 01:21:37,307
Speaker 2: and Daniel Evans are tied at one set apiece, and

1714
01:21:37,427 --> 01:21:39,507
Speaker 2: there in fact they were up until a couple of

1715
01:21:39,507 --> 01:21:41,627
Speaker 2: seconds ago where Alex Demonor has one of the third

1716
01:21:41,627 --> 01:21:45,067
Speaker 2: set six love so demon of two sets to one

1717
01:21:45,107 --> 01:21:48,307
Speaker 2: ahead of Daniel Evans. Text A here Warrior is surely

1718
01:21:48,347 --> 01:21:51,507
Speaker 2: worth a mention. Absolutely you're in our minds. Fitting farewell

1719
01:21:51,547 --> 01:21:54,707
Speaker 2: for Warriors star Shawn Johnson last night playing a starring

1720
01:21:54,827 --> 01:21:57,747
Speaker 2: role in helping the Warriors snatch that thirty twenty eight

1721
01:21:57,787 --> 01:22:00,827
Speaker 2: comeback went over the Sharks in Cronulla. Adam Blair going

1722
01:22:00,867 --> 01:22:03,587
Speaker 2: to break it down for us after two o'clock. Well,

1723
01:22:03,587 --> 01:22:08,107
Speaker 2: also check in with one of the new investors in

1724
01:22:08,307 --> 01:22:12,707
Speaker 2: Auckland FC, Winston Reid, Tim Brown and Noah Hickey, three

1725
01:22:12,747 --> 01:22:17,347
Speaker 2: former All Whites and three very successful businessmen and their

1726
01:22:17,347 --> 01:22:19,747
Speaker 2: own right beyond their playing days, have all invested in

1727
01:22:19,787 --> 01:22:22,507
Speaker 2: Auckland FC. So what's behind all this? Noah Hickey will

1728
01:22:22,547 --> 01:22:25,467
Speaker 2: join us and the captain of our futsal Ferns our

1729
01:22:25,467 --> 01:22:28,347
Speaker 2: women's futsal team who have earned qualification to the World

1730
01:22:28,387 --> 01:22:31,027
Speaker 2: Cup next year. Hannah Kruckman is also going to join

1731
01:22:31,107 --> 01:22:32,587
Speaker 2: us after two.

1732
01:22:33,387 --> 01:22:37,667
Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

1733
01:22:38,307 --> 01:22:43,267
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

1734
01:22:43,347 --> 01:22:47,147
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport

1735
01:22:47,587 --> 01:22:48,187
Speaker 1: News Talks.

1736
01:22:48,227 --> 01:22:48,667
Speaker 20: It'd been.

1737
01:22:50,667 --> 01:22:53,427
Speaker 2: Two o seven. Welcome into the final hour of the show.

1738
01:22:53,787 --> 01:22:56,187
Speaker 2: Tim Beverage is ready to go after three. He'd be

1739
01:22:56,227 --> 01:22:58,307
Speaker 2: ready to go now if we gave him the opportunity,

1740
01:22:58,347 --> 01:23:01,667
Speaker 2: but I think we'll we'll stick to what's on the roster,

1741
01:23:01,907 --> 01:23:03,947
Speaker 2: give you another hour of sport before we hand over

1742
01:23:03,987 --> 01:23:06,987
Speaker 2: to the Sunday edition of the Weekend Collective hosted by

1743
01:23:07,067 --> 01:23:12,347
Speaker 2: Tim Beveridge. Just having a look on the monitor. Canterbury

1744
01:23:12,347 --> 01:23:14,147
Speaker 2: and Wellington have just kicked off into an ungy order.

1745
01:23:14,947 --> 01:23:17,347
Speaker 2: Talking to Nick Beiorley before he was setting the scene

1746
01:23:17,347 --> 01:23:20,987
Speaker 2: for us and it's another one of those grounds. I've

1747
01:23:21,067 --> 01:23:23,547
Speaker 2: never been to the lungy Order showgrounds, but it's another

1748
01:23:23,547 --> 01:23:26,267
Speaker 2: one of those, which is it's like a little priven

1749
01:23:26,387 --> 01:23:30,787
Speaker 2: Shill almost Heartland Championship ground where the crowd and ice

1750
01:23:30,867 --> 01:23:33,227
Speaker 2: and close and they're all sort of crowded around the edges.

1751
01:23:33,667 --> 01:23:36,307
Speaker 2: It looks so much better than having MPC and these

1752
01:23:36,467 --> 01:23:43,547
Speaker 2: massive cavernous stadia. Excellent idea. Wellington have done it too,

1753
01:23:43,587 --> 01:23:45,347
Speaker 2: they've hit it out to pottyd or a park rather

1754
01:23:45,387 --> 01:23:48,827
Speaker 2: than sky Stadium. I just think it's the way forward

1755
01:23:49,147 --> 01:23:52,027
Speaker 2: for provincial rugby. Steve agrees on text pinety. They helped

1756
01:23:52,107 --> 01:23:56,947
Speaker 2: revitalize NPC rugby. Play Saturday and Sunday afternoons only, well

1757
01:23:56,987 --> 01:23:59,307
Speaker 2: the first fifteen game as a curtain raiser off a

1758
01:23:59,387 --> 01:24:02,667
Speaker 2: primary school kids with a parent or guardian free entry,

1759
01:24:03,107 --> 01:24:07,027
Speaker 2: make adults twenty bucks, second resc school students five dollars

1760
01:24:07,467 --> 01:24:10,827
Speaker 2: with sensible prices for food and drinks, and have a

1761
01:24:10,867 --> 01:24:14,387
Speaker 2: player slash young fans area to meet after the game.

1762
01:24:15,507 --> 01:24:18,227
Speaker 2: Also says Steve, the All Blacks should be available to

1763
01:24:18,227 --> 01:24:20,947
Speaker 2: help their team out more often. Steve, the last point

1764
01:24:20,987 --> 01:24:23,307
Speaker 2: is one that I'm not sure if you heard our

1765
01:24:23,347 --> 01:24:27,587
Speaker 2: conversation when we had Smiley Barrett Kevin Barrett on dad

1766
01:24:27,627 --> 01:24:31,987
Speaker 2: of the three All Black Barrett brothers, he said exactly

1767
01:24:32,027 --> 01:24:34,907
Speaker 2: the same thing he said. In his view, during the

1768
01:24:35,427 --> 01:24:39,027
Speaker 2: Super Rugby season when it overlaps with the club season,

1769
01:24:39,027 --> 01:24:41,467
Speaker 2: there should be a weekend where everybody gets a buy

1770
01:24:42,107 --> 01:24:46,187
Speaker 2: and every player in Super Rugby goes back to their club,

1771
01:24:46,507 --> 01:24:49,307
Speaker 2: including all of the All Blacks, not necessarily to play.

1772
01:24:49,907 --> 01:24:52,867
Speaker 2: They can play if that is appropriate, and they are

1773
01:24:52,867 --> 01:24:54,867
Speaker 2: given the go ahead by their super rugby club, but

1774
01:24:54,947 --> 01:24:57,867
Speaker 2: just to be there, just to show their face around

1775
01:24:57,867 --> 01:25:02,467
Speaker 2: the club and imagine the impact it would have on

1776
01:25:02,547 --> 01:25:06,627
Speaker 2: club rugby. I think that's a terrific idea. You were

1777
01:25:06,627 --> 01:25:09,187
Speaker 2: talking more about provincial stuff, but yeah, I thought that

1778
01:25:09,307 --> 01:25:11,507
Speaker 2: was a very good idea. And you know, who knows

1779
01:25:11,547 --> 01:25:14,227
Speaker 2: whether they can make it work or not? Not sure anyway,

1780
01:25:14,227 --> 01:25:16,627
Speaker 2: this hour the music's completely run out, so I've clearly

1781
01:25:16,667 --> 01:25:19,107
Speaker 2: been rabbit gone for far too long. At the top

1782
01:25:19,187 --> 01:25:21,467
Speaker 2: of the at the top of the hour, we're going

1783
01:25:21,507 --> 01:25:24,747
Speaker 2: to talk some football, some footsal in very shortly some

1784
01:25:24,827 --> 01:25:26,987
Speaker 2: rugby league. Adam Bleed standing by the chat to us

1785
01:25:27,267 --> 01:25:31,267
Speaker 2: about Sean Johnson's swan song. Last night his final play

1786
01:25:31,787 --> 01:25:34,147
Speaker 2: in the NRL resulted in a match winning try, so

1787
01:25:34,187 --> 01:25:35,947
Speaker 2: it doesn't get much better than that, apart from, of course,

1788
01:25:36,027 --> 01:25:38,187
Speaker 2: making it to a Grand Final. What Adam Blair are

1789
01:25:38,187 --> 01:25:40,507
Speaker 2: going to chat to us shortly as we always do,

1790
01:25:40,587 --> 01:25:43,547
Speaker 2: though at around about this time, which is almost ten

1791
01:25:43,627 --> 01:25:46,747
Speaker 2: past two, I've been rabbiting on for so long. In

1792
01:25:46,747 --> 01:25:50,027
Speaker 2: case you, mister Curtis sev Andy McDonald, all the stuff

1793
01:25:50,067 --> 01:25:51,947
Speaker 2: that might have escaped your attention over the last twenty

1794
01:25:51,987 --> 01:25:55,947
Speaker 2: four hours or so starting at love Welter, Espania. A

1795
01:25:55,987 --> 01:25:58,867
Speaker 2: stage win for Australian cyclist Cayden Groves.

1796
01:25:59,027 --> 01:26:01,347
Speaker 27: Groves he has got the upper hand but now here comes

1797
01:26:01,387 --> 01:26:03,747
Speaker 27: to these acceleration of an art coming to the line

1798
01:26:03,787 --> 01:26:07,107
Speaker 27: into Fia Pleina has lunched for the line throw and

1799
01:26:07,187 --> 01:26:10,387
Speaker 27: it's a six stage victory for Cavan Groves of Alpha

1800
01:26:10,427 --> 01:26:11,027
Speaker 27: Zinder Kernig.

1801
01:26:11,107 --> 01:26:13,947
Speaker 2: A good finish for Kiwi Corbyn Strong. He was third

1802
01:26:14,547 --> 01:26:17,147
Speaker 2: to the NRL. The Eels have made the race for

1803
01:26:17,347 --> 01:26:23,107
Speaker 2: eight in the NRL. Very interesting knockdown by Paramatta MARETI

1804
01:26:23,467 --> 01:26:26,867
Speaker 2: has it in one of the strangest games of rugby

1805
01:26:26,987 --> 01:26:30,227
Speaker 2: league we've seen for a long long time.

1806
01:26:30,907 --> 01:26:34,987
Speaker 24: The Eels have struck a hamm of blow for the

1807
01:26:35,107 --> 01:26:36,507
Speaker 24: Dragons top eight.

1808
01:26:36,467 --> 01:26:40,467
Speaker 2: Chants forty four points to forty. The Eels beat the Dragons.

1809
01:26:40,507 --> 01:26:43,027
Speaker 2: I read last night that's the first time a team

1810
01:26:43,067 --> 01:26:45,587
Speaker 2: has scored forty points in an NRL game and lost.

1811
01:26:45,987 --> 01:26:48,627
Speaker 2: The Dolphins also put forty on the Broncos.

1812
01:26:49,987 --> 01:26:54,507
Speaker 26: Now it Joe Sullivan beautiful announced again it's turn this

1813
01:26:54,747 --> 01:26:56,627
Speaker 26: time gonna just get third.

1814
01:26:57,627 --> 01:27:01,507
Speaker 4: Tobby has a double Dolphins forty.

1815
01:27:01,907 --> 01:27:04,707
Speaker 2: Yeah, forty points to six. So the Broncos are done,

1816
01:27:04,787 --> 01:27:08,467
Speaker 2: all done, landowners meantime, putting even more heat on Max

1817
01:27:08,547 --> 01:27:12,227
Speaker 2: for stepping. After claiming another Formula one pole position, this

1818
01:27:12,387 --> 01:27:14,427
Speaker 2: time for the Italian Grand Prix.

1819
01:27:14,347 --> 01:27:17,227
Speaker 13: Lando Norris, hoping to make it back to back poles,

1820
01:27:17,427 --> 01:27:21,067
Speaker 13: he crosses the line now and improves on his time.

1821
01:27:21,347 --> 01:27:24,387
Speaker 13: Red Bull didn't have the tally today and didn't make it.

1822
01:27:24,547 --> 01:27:27,347
Speaker 13: And it is that team and Papayah and fat Man

1823
01:27:27,507 --> 01:27:30,947
Speaker 13: Lando Norris. But take a front row, lockhouse and poll

1824
01:27:31,187 --> 01:27:32,467
Speaker 13: for the Italian.

1825
01:27:31,987 --> 01:27:35,547
Speaker 2: Grand Prix to the NPC fins up the Tasman Muckel

1826
01:27:35,747 --> 01:27:36,627
Speaker 2: remain unbeaten.

1827
01:27:36,747 --> 01:27:43,147
Speaker 18: Gray just go through and the simplest of tries as

1828
01:27:43,227 --> 01:27:44,467
Speaker 18: the Tasman mic goes.

1829
01:27:44,587 --> 01:27:45,827
Speaker 2: Now shall it right?

1830
01:27:46,507 --> 01:27:47,707
Speaker 7: What will be a victory?

1831
01:27:47,787 --> 01:27:51,227
Speaker 10: Even though we have seventeen minutestrum mining They turned the.

1832
01:27:51,187 --> 01:27:54,107
Speaker 2: Screws thirty four to fifteen over the Bay of plenty

1833
01:27:54,187 --> 01:27:57,387
Speaker 2: steamers Auckland, though remain winless.

1834
01:27:59,067 --> 01:28:01,867
Speaker 11: And is it the wreck and diggings and spell on

1835
01:28:01,947 --> 01:28:04,307
Speaker 11: the pill He's done in the post I had Rich

1836
01:28:04,387 --> 01:28:08,067
Speaker 11: mist Lincoln thin and the score seven.

1837
01:28:08,267 --> 01:28:10,427
Speaker 2: One finished thirty nine to twenty one to White Cuttle

1838
01:28:10,507 --> 01:28:12,787
Speaker 2: to the US Tennis Open Alexei Popper and taking the

1839
01:28:12,787 --> 01:28:17,867
Speaker 2: biggest win of his career.

1840
01:28:16,987 --> 01:28:25,787
Speaker 28: As exists life to six six foe he yets another huge,

1841
01:28:26,147 --> 01:28:27,987
Speaker 28: huge shock here in New York.

1842
01:28:29,507 --> 01:28:35,187
Speaker 26: Alexei Poppery interview, Sarritory Captain Majors.

1843
01:28:35,307 --> 01:28:37,907
Speaker 2: And finally to the Premier League Manchester City with a

1844
01:28:37,947 --> 01:28:40,147
Speaker 2: three to one win over west Ham United thanks to

1845
01:28:40,187 --> 01:28:43,027
Speaker 2: a hat trick from Guests who getting.

1846
01:28:42,787 --> 01:28:43,827
Speaker 4: Himself back on side.

1847
01:28:43,907 --> 01:28:45,147
Speaker 2: Maky's run through the middle.

1848
01:28:45,467 --> 01:28:54,587
Speaker 24: This for his hat trick, irresistible, irrepressible and very futably

1849
01:28:54,907 --> 01:28:57,587
Speaker 24: one of the best there has ever been.

1850
01:28:57,827 --> 01:29:00,627
Speaker 2: Urling Harland of course, the man of the moment and

1851
01:29:00,787 --> 01:29:04,587
Speaker 2: all Whites Captain Chris Wood with yet another Premier League

1852
01:29:04,587 --> 01:29:08,547
Speaker 2: goal for Nottingham Forest.

1853
01:29:07,027 --> 01:29:11,907
Speaker 3: Deep this time and then wonderful atti from christ Worth.

1854
01:29:12,507 --> 01:29:14,907
Speaker 3: Two Wolves that not picks up on that far post

1855
01:29:15,507 --> 01:29:18,187
Speaker 3: and it's take to Nottingham Forest. Just ten minutes to

1856
01:29:18,227 --> 01:29:19,787
Speaker 3: get themselves in front.

1857
01:29:20,667 --> 01:29:23,307
Speaker 1: The school, from the track fields and the court on

1858
01:29:23,467 --> 01:29:27,907
Speaker 1: your home of Sport Weekend Sport with Jason Vine News Talks, NB.

1859
01:29:28,547 --> 01:29:32,347
Speaker 2: News TALKSB It's two fourteen Adam Blair very shortly just

1860
01:29:32,427 --> 01:29:34,627
Speaker 2: updating you on some live sport at the US Tennis

1861
01:29:34,667 --> 01:29:37,667
Speaker 2: Open to Neil medvedev As won the first cent against

1862
01:29:37,667 --> 01:29:41,187
Speaker 2: Flavioca Bali of Italy sixty three. He's two to one

1863
01:29:41,307 --> 01:29:44,347
Speaker 2: up and serving for three to one. In the second set,

1864
01:29:44,987 --> 01:29:49,187
Speaker 2: Alex Demneur against Daniel Evans. It was tight for a while.

1865
01:29:49,707 --> 01:29:52,227
Speaker 2: Demon won the first set six to three. Evans won

1866
01:29:52,227 --> 01:29:55,227
Speaker 2: the second seven six and a tiebreak, but then double

1867
01:29:55,267 --> 01:29:58,907
Speaker 2: donut Alex de Minur six love, six love, so it

1868
01:29:59,027 --> 01:30:03,667
Speaker 2: all ended rather quickly as far as Evans was concerned.

1869
01:30:04,067 --> 01:30:08,187
Speaker 2: As far as the Bunnings ENDPC between Canterbury and Wellington

1870
01:30:08,507 --> 01:30:12,627
Speaker 2: at Orangiola is concerned, eight minutes gone no score in

1871
01:30:12,667 --> 01:30:17,067
Speaker 2: this one between Canterbury and Wellington. Wellington, of course looking

1872
01:30:17,067 --> 01:30:19,707
Speaker 2: for a fourth straight victory. A bonus point would take

1873
01:30:19,747 --> 01:30:22,867
Speaker 2: them equal top with Hawks Bay. A win of any

1874
01:30:22,907 --> 01:30:25,907
Speaker 2: sort would take them into the top three. Currently the

1875
01:30:25,947 --> 01:30:29,467
Speaker 2: other two unbeaten sides in the competition are Hawksbay as

1876
01:30:29,507 --> 01:30:32,267
Speaker 2: mentioned and also Tasman as we just mentioned in the

1877
01:30:33,067 --> 01:30:36,307
Speaker 2: in case you missed it segment. So currently nil all

1878
01:30:36,707 --> 01:30:42,547
Speaker 2: between Canterbury and Wellington in the In the NPC, eight

1879
01:30:42,507 --> 01:30:45,267
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is always is our number.

1880
01:30:45,467 --> 01:30:49,307
Speaker 2: We've been taking a few calls on the rugby this afternoon,

1881
01:30:49,307 --> 01:30:51,347
Speaker 2: but I want to flick across now to rugby league

1882
01:30:51,387 --> 01:30:55,187
Speaker 2: because the Warriors have completed a remarkable comeback to stun

1883
01:30:55,307 --> 01:30:59,147
Speaker 2: the Sharks in their NRL season finale in Sydney. Trailing

1884
01:30:59,187 --> 01:31:02,107
Speaker 2: twenty two points to four at halftime, they scored four

1885
01:31:02,507 --> 01:31:06,867
Speaker 2: unanswered tries to lead twenty six twenty two before Cronulla

1886
01:31:06,907 --> 01:31:10,027
Speaker 2: scored a converter tried to go ahead twenty eight twenty six,

1887
01:31:10,547 --> 01:31:14,187
Speaker 2: but with only seconds remaining, the retiring Sean Johnson did

1888
01:31:14,227 --> 01:31:16,387
Speaker 2: this possibly their last chance.

1889
01:31:16,747 --> 01:31:19,707
Speaker 4: Hagan the walker Johnson side.

1890
01:31:22,507 --> 01:31:31,467
Speaker 2: Up, cutside runs his own scrap time riddle, produced directed

1891
01:31:31,547 --> 01:31:32,467
Speaker 2: by Sean.

1892
01:31:32,307 --> 01:31:34,987
Speaker 26: Johnson the movie He's Last.

1893
01:31:35,067 --> 01:31:39,627
Speaker 2: Jame winsard for the Warriors. Yeah cut our pass to

1894
01:31:39,787 --> 01:31:42,587
Speaker 2: Delan watenis Alesniak who gotted down in the corner for

1895
01:31:42,627 --> 01:31:44,507
Speaker 2: a hat trick of tries for him and a thirty

1896
01:31:44,787 --> 01:31:47,547
Speaker 2: twenty eight win for the Warriors over the Sharks. As

1897
01:31:47,587 --> 01:31:50,587
Speaker 2: well as Sean Johnson, of course, Adam Vanua Blake and

1898
01:31:50,707 --> 01:31:54,067
Speaker 2: Jazz Tavanga also played their final matches for the club

1899
01:31:54,147 --> 01:31:58,827
Speaker 2: last night. Former Warrior NRL triple centurion and now Skysport

1900
01:31:58,907 --> 01:32:02,227
Speaker 2: Rugby League analyst Adam Blair joins us Adam. Fairy tail

1901
01:32:02,347 --> 01:32:04,667
Speaker 2: endings don't always happen, and of course the Warriors haven't

1902
01:32:04,667 --> 01:32:06,347
Speaker 2: made the eight. But how pleased were you to see

1903
01:32:06,427 --> 01:32:08,667
Speaker 2: Sewan Johnson go out on a bit of a high

1904
01:32:08,747 --> 01:32:12,107
Speaker 2: last night with a match winning play with his final

1905
01:32:12,187 --> 01:32:13,427
Speaker 2: action and a Warrior's shit?

1906
01:32:14,227 --> 01:32:14,467
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1907
01:32:14,747 --> 01:32:17,107
Speaker 11: How great was that for? You know, not only the

1908
01:32:17,147 --> 01:32:20,067
Speaker 11: Warriors and the fans by Sean Johnson. And like you said,

1909
01:32:20,227 --> 01:32:23,907
Speaker 11: not everyone goes out on anything. And last weekend, you

1910
01:32:23,947 --> 01:32:26,387
Speaker 11: know it mounts go media Stadius he would have got there,

1911
01:32:26,387 --> 01:32:27,947
Speaker 11: he didn't get it, but last night he had his

1912
01:32:27,947 --> 01:32:31,187
Speaker 11: fingerprint over everything. I thought that sick enough. No, I'm

1913
01:32:31,187 --> 01:32:32,747
Speaker 11: going to be real honest. I didn't think they looked

1914
01:32:32,867 --> 01:32:34,867
Speaker 11: likely of winning that game, Like you said, I think

1915
01:32:34,867 --> 01:32:37,227
Speaker 11: it was twenty two four at halftime and they had

1916
01:32:37,267 --> 01:32:38,867
Speaker 11: to come out and play some footy. But you know,

1917
01:32:38,907 --> 01:32:41,027
Speaker 11: I thought Shawn Johnson stepped up in the second half

1918
01:32:41,027 --> 01:32:43,467
Speaker 11: and had his fingerprints of everything right to the end

1919
01:32:43,587 --> 01:32:46,627
Speaker 11: into the last second. In that long ball down he

1920
01:32:46,627 --> 01:32:48,547
Speaker 11: has stall had a bit of work to do, but

1921
01:32:48,587 --> 01:32:50,347
Speaker 11: a nice trying, a nice way to finish off all

1922
01:32:50,427 --> 01:32:51,707
Speaker 11: those boys that are leaving as well.

1923
01:32:52,547 --> 01:32:55,827
Speaker 2: Do you reckon any part of Sean Johnson wonders if

1924
01:32:55,867 --> 01:32:56,907
Speaker 2: he should go around again.

1925
01:32:57,947 --> 01:33:00,467
Speaker 11: No, no, not at all. You know, I put myself

1926
01:33:00,507 --> 01:33:03,427
Speaker 11: in Sean's shoes and my time when I was about

1927
01:33:03,427 --> 01:33:07,187
Speaker 11: to finish up, and I think the Preshoff Swekings game

1928
01:33:07,227 --> 01:33:09,267
Speaker 11: that go media dame, and I guess the build ups

1929
01:33:09,267 --> 01:33:11,747
Speaker 11: have been his final home game and the emotion and

1930
01:33:11,747 --> 01:33:14,307
Speaker 11: all the nity were they used to try and get

1931
01:33:14,307 --> 01:33:16,467
Speaker 11: through their week. You could see the smile on his

1932
01:33:16,587 --> 01:33:18,907
Speaker 11: face last and last night's game from the moment he

1933
01:33:18,987 --> 01:33:20,747
Speaker 11: ran now to the moment he finished with their kick

1934
01:33:20,747 --> 01:33:23,427
Speaker 11: and missed the goal. That those are the moments that

1935
01:33:23,667 --> 01:33:26,147
Speaker 11: you just know that yep, you've made the right decision

1936
01:33:26,187 --> 01:33:28,627
Speaker 11: and your addy's right there. And I thought he looked

1937
01:33:28,627 --> 01:33:29,667
Speaker 11: like they're through the whole game.

1938
01:33:30,587 --> 01:33:32,747
Speaker 2: Of course, I mean very similar to yourself. You had

1939
01:33:32,747 --> 01:33:35,547
Speaker 2: fifteen seasons in the NRL. He's just finished his fourteenth,

1940
01:33:35,587 --> 01:33:38,347
Speaker 2: so pretty similar. Do you remember, Adam, how you felt

1941
01:33:38,347 --> 01:33:41,187
Speaker 2: in the in the few days or weeks after your

1942
01:33:41,187 --> 01:33:42,867
Speaker 2: final game? What back in twenty twenty.

1943
01:33:43,867 --> 01:33:47,067
Speaker 11: Yeah, well I'm a little bit different to Shawn. Havevn't

1944
01:33:47,187 --> 01:33:51,027
Speaker 11: had like a real I guess, colorful career like Sean Daddy.

1945
01:33:51,147 --> 01:33:53,467
Speaker 11: He was an icon here in New zyllan arm. You know,

1946
01:33:53,547 --> 01:33:56,227
Speaker 11: every single kid, every single kid looked up to the

1947
01:33:56,227 --> 01:33:57,987
Speaker 11: things that he did. He was magical when he come

1948
01:33:58,027 --> 01:34:01,027
Speaker 11: on stage on the big stage in twenty eleven. And

1949
01:34:01,067 --> 01:34:03,947
Speaker 11: I think, you know, my decision was literally last minute.

1950
01:34:03,987 --> 01:34:07,427
Speaker 11: It was Captain's run getting the circle. Other boys, that's done.

1951
01:34:07,627 --> 01:34:09,827
Speaker 11: Hey boys, let's switch over the focus, because again I

1952
01:34:09,827 --> 01:34:11,667
Speaker 11: wanted to just finish off on a high and enjoy

1953
01:34:11,707 --> 01:34:14,027
Speaker 11: those moments that I had left with my teammates, those

1954
01:34:14,107 --> 01:34:16,187
Speaker 11: last moments in the dressing rooms, the last moments on

1955
01:34:16,227 --> 01:34:19,307
Speaker 11: the field. And yeah, so mine is a little bit different,

1956
01:34:19,347 --> 01:34:22,267
Speaker 11: but he deserves everything he has. He's been a legend

1957
01:34:22,427 --> 01:34:24,947
Speaker 11: here in New Zealand for not only international space the

1958
01:34:25,067 --> 01:34:26,987
Speaker 11: key we've got also had the Warriors and every kid,

1959
01:34:27,307 --> 01:34:30,187
Speaker 11: including my kids, love and thinks he's a legend.

1960
01:34:30,667 --> 01:34:34,707
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, barring any remarkable you know, change of mind

1961
01:34:34,787 --> 01:34:37,747
Speaker 2: and one hundred and eighty degree turn and coming back,

1962
01:34:38,067 --> 01:34:40,587
Speaker 2: let's just assume he's not coming back. Do you think

1963
01:34:40,587 --> 01:34:42,987
Speaker 2: Tomighty Martin will get first crack at the seven jersey

1964
01:34:42,987 --> 01:34:43,467
Speaker 2: next season?

1965
01:34:44,147 --> 01:34:44,387
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1966
01:34:44,427 --> 01:34:46,827
Speaker 11: I think there's a lot of conversations around the halves

1967
01:34:46,827 --> 01:34:48,907
Speaker 11: at the Warriors. Thing like this year, we would have said,

1968
01:34:48,947 --> 01:34:51,107
Speaker 11: you know, we've got six six different halves, and we've

1969
01:34:51,107 --> 01:34:53,587
Speaker 11: got six too many. And you know, you get through

1970
01:34:53,627 --> 01:34:56,267
Speaker 11: the year and the injuries are everywhere and they're trying

1971
01:34:56,307 --> 01:34:59,867
Speaker 11: to find these combinations and not too many played together

1972
01:34:59,907 --> 01:35:01,867
Speaker 11: throughout the year. They had most really five or six

1973
01:35:01,907 --> 01:35:04,867
Speaker 11: different changes. And I think Tomighty's in the box seat.

1974
01:35:04,907 --> 01:35:07,787
Speaker 11: I think like most of the boys, Metcalf and Cludits,

1975
01:35:07,787 --> 01:35:10,347
Speaker 11: you've got to get for a solid preseason to give

1976
01:35:10,387 --> 01:35:13,107
Speaker 11: yourself some confidence so that you can go into the

1977
01:35:13,107 --> 01:35:15,867
Speaker 11: season feeling like that position is yours. It's up to

1978
01:35:15,907 --> 01:35:17,707
Speaker 11: anyone to just grab there. And I think Chanelle can

1979
01:35:17,747 --> 01:35:20,267
Speaker 11: do a good job. To think Metcalf can do a

1980
01:35:20,267 --> 01:35:21,947
Speaker 11: good job, and I also think somebody can do a

1981
01:35:21,987 --> 01:35:24,987
Speaker 11: good job. So the balls in their hands and if

1982
01:35:25,027 --> 01:35:27,747
Speaker 11: they work really hard, they get but all definitely own

1983
01:35:27,787 --> 01:35:28,347
Speaker 11: that position.

1984
01:35:28,947 --> 01:35:31,147
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're so wrong. I'm just looking at the

1985
01:35:31,187 --> 01:35:33,627
Speaker 2: lineups that the Warriors have had and it's been, yeah,

1986
01:35:33,787 --> 01:35:35,827
Speaker 2: a lot of chopping and changing around six and seven.

1987
01:35:35,947 --> 01:35:38,107
Speaker 2: I think Chance nikol Kluksta even had a game in

1988
01:35:38,147 --> 01:35:40,987
Speaker 2: the six jumper at one stage. How important Adam is

1989
01:35:41,027 --> 01:35:43,947
Speaker 2: it to find to find a combo you like, a

1990
01:35:43,987 --> 01:35:46,347
Speaker 2: six to seven you like, and barring injury, give them

1991
01:35:46,347 --> 01:35:47,987
Speaker 2: a decent run in those positions.

1992
01:35:48,507 --> 01:35:51,347
Speaker 11: Well, it's important you see the best teams and the

1993
01:35:51,387 --> 01:35:53,347
Speaker 11: competition at this time of the year are playing their

1994
01:35:53,347 --> 01:35:58,107
Speaker 11: best halves in the right positions and consistency around combinations.

1995
01:35:58,187 --> 01:36:00,787
Speaker 11: And I guess the most thing is confidence for halves.

1996
01:36:01,147 --> 01:36:03,587
Speaker 11: They are your main players. They are you'll go to

1997
01:36:03,667 --> 01:36:05,507
Speaker 11: that your leaders. They are your guys that gets you

1998
01:36:05,507 --> 01:36:07,427
Speaker 11: in the right position to finish off your set. So

1999
01:36:08,147 --> 01:36:10,427
Speaker 11: it's important that you have that consistency around the same

2000
01:36:10,467 --> 01:36:13,027
Speaker 11: halves all year. If you're chopping in chosing luck we've

2001
01:36:13,067 --> 01:36:16,307
Speaker 11: seen this year. Obviously injuries have haven't helped as well.

2002
01:36:16,347 --> 01:36:18,107
Speaker 11: You're going to get kind of similar results to what

2003
01:36:18,107 --> 01:36:20,747
Speaker 11: we have. But like you said, Chancey step doesn't. There

2004
01:36:20,747 --> 01:36:23,067
Speaker 11: may be something some thinking around Charms going into that

2005
01:36:23,107 --> 01:36:25,187
Speaker 11: six position next year and someone else goings at the seven.

2006
01:36:25,267 --> 01:36:28,227
Speaker 11: I thought he's a bigger body, he's got some got

2007
01:36:28,227 --> 01:36:30,827
Speaker 11: some ball playing ability, and you know we're seeing Taine

2008
01:36:30,867 --> 01:36:32,947
Speaker 11: to Opiki at the back last night. I think he's

2009
01:36:33,067 --> 01:36:35,907
Speaker 11: he's an n RL starter without adult But does he

2010
01:36:35,987 --> 01:36:38,867
Speaker 11: hang around? Does does is it rocked by someone else.

2011
01:36:38,867 --> 01:36:41,587
Speaker 11: So there's options there for the Warriors, but they need

2012
01:36:41,627 --> 01:36:43,067
Speaker 11: to play the people in the right positions.

2013
01:36:43,067 --> 01:36:45,027
Speaker 2: For me, yeah, you know you've rippen my mind on

2014
01:36:45,187 --> 01:36:47,667
Speaker 2: tane to Vicky. I thought he was terrific last night.

2015
01:36:47,987 --> 01:36:50,267
Speaker 2: It's only had six games this season, same with Ali

2016
01:36:50,827 --> 01:36:53,067
Speaker 2: Leah Dawa as well, only the six games of Armi

2017
01:36:53,187 --> 01:36:55,427
Speaker 2: was good last night too. Can you see those two

2018
01:36:55,467 --> 01:36:57,587
Speaker 2: playing a more significant role next year?

2019
01:36:58,507 --> 01:37:01,427
Speaker 11: Oh well, I put Taine in the similar position to

2020
01:37:01,547 --> 01:37:03,347
Speaker 11: change when Charms was first trying to come through to

2021
01:37:03,387 --> 01:37:06,907
Speaker 11: the Warriors pathways with Roger blocking and from getting a

2022
01:37:06,907 --> 01:37:09,547
Speaker 11: position at starting at the fullback. So I feel like

2023
01:37:09,587 --> 01:37:12,187
Speaker 11: if if they're not going to play or play Tane

2024
01:37:12,227 --> 01:37:14,387
Speaker 11: to Opiki, I think he finds himself at another club

2025
01:37:14,427 --> 01:37:16,107
Speaker 11: because I think he's a fast up start at any

2026
01:37:16,507 --> 01:37:18,707
Speaker 11: team if they're looking for a fallback, he's got that

2027
01:37:18,867 --> 01:37:21,307
Speaker 11: different mold or fallback, a lot smaller lot, quicker, lot,

2028
01:37:21,347 --> 01:37:23,987
Speaker 11: more agile on their feet, similar to Kan o' kenny.

2029
01:37:24,027 --> 01:37:27,907
Speaker 11: So yeah, Ali to the good thing about the Warriors

2030
01:37:27,947 --> 01:37:30,107
Speaker 11: and the future looks for it, they've seen We've seen

2031
01:37:30,187 --> 01:37:32,187
Speaker 11: them be able to bleed some of these young forwards

2032
01:37:32,187 --> 01:37:34,507
Speaker 11: through Obviously you're losing Adam for Noah Blake, but you

2033
01:37:34,587 --> 01:37:37,027
Speaker 11: also got ali To Rocco Berry has been sitting on

2034
01:37:37,027 --> 01:37:39,867
Speaker 11: the side. I think they're the future, these young guys

2035
01:37:39,907 --> 01:37:42,787
Speaker 11: that have come through the pathway other future. Consistency with

2036
01:37:42,867 --> 01:37:46,307
Speaker 11: them getting time on the fielders is important. So preseason,

2037
01:37:46,467 --> 01:37:47,947
Speaker 11: that's where it all start with him.

2038
01:37:48,347 --> 01:37:50,747
Speaker 2: Where do you reckon? We'll say, Roger tiv Asschek playing

2039
01:37:50,787 --> 01:37:52,147
Speaker 2: most off the next season.

2040
01:37:52,667 --> 01:37:54,827
Speaker 11: I'm going to say wing. That's just me having a stab.

2041
01:37:54,947 --> 01:37:58,507
Speaker 11: I just don't think he's he's like, he's a fullback

2042
01:37:58,547 --> 01:38:00,187
Speaker 11: without a doubt. But you know what I mean, like

2043
01:38:00,267 --> 01:38:02,347
Speaker 11: you've got chance, you've got tame to a pick in

2044
01:38:02,387 --> 01:38:05,747
Speaker 11: the game's changing real quick. You've seen someone like Clink Gufflerson.

2045
01:38:05,787 --> 01:38:08,187
Speaker 11: I think the game starting to move past the older

2046
01:38:08,227 --> 01:38:10,667
Speaker 11: guys with obviously these young guys coming through with the

2047
01:38:10,707 --> 01:38:13,547
Speaker 11: faster feet, the more athletic, you know what I mean,

2048
01:38:13,747 --> 01:38:16,107
Speaker 11: You're not gonna you're gonna lose mostroy the leadership of

2049
01:38:16,107 --> 01:38:17,867
Speaker 11: what and the quality of what they bring. But he

2050
01:38:17,947 --> 01:38:19,907
Speaker 11: got these kids that just come into the game and

2051
01:38:19,947 --> 01:38:22,067
Speaker 11: just play some football. So I think they find himself

2052
01:38:22,107 --> 01:38:24,667
Speaker 11: on the on the wing again. You've got some other

2053
01:38:24,707 --> 01:38:27,347
Speaker 11: wingers there as well, so some challenging times for the

2054
01:38:27,387 --> 01:38:29,387
Speaker 11: Warriors and some I guess you've got an off season

2055
01:38:29,427 --> 01:38:30,987
Speaker 11: to try and plan and see what there looks like.

2056
01:38:31,587 --> 01:38:33,427
Speaker 2: We know Dan Fanola Blake's off to the Sharks. Do

2057
01:38:33,467 --> 01:38:34,867
Speaker 2: we know where Jess Tavung is going?

2058
01:38:35,827 --> 01:38:37,747
Speaker 11: Not at the moment. I think, you know, someone like

2059
01:38:37,827 --> 01:38:40,467
Speaker 11: Jazz could fit into any club. I like, I've got

2060
01:38:40,507 --> 01:38:42,907
Speaker 11: a podcast I mentioned him going to the Bulldogs. I

2061
01:38:42,947 --> 01:38:45,907
Speaker 11: think he fits into that, that mentality that they have

2062
01:38:46,027 --> 01:38:48,147
Speaker 11: that just keeps tuning up and keep working. He's obviously

2063
01:38:48,147 --> 01:38:50,347
Speaker 11: got a good relations with Todd Payton at the Cowboys

2064
01:38:50,347 --> 01:38:51,747
Speaker 11: that could end up going over there. And then maybe

2065
01:38:51,787 --> 01:38:54,147
Speaker 11: Benji Marshall might offer him a lifeline at the at

2066
01:38:54,187 --> 01:38:57,547
Speaker 11: the Tigers. So these are just my thoughts to my Inanza,

2067
01:38:57,547 --> 01:38:59,547
Speaker 11: and I think you could add value to all three clubs,

2068
01:38:59,907 --> 01:39:00,307
Speaker 11: all right.

2069
01:39:00,347 --> 01:39:02,627
Speaker 2: And just I was watching that game last night, the

2070
01:39:02,627 --> 01:39:04,867
Speaker 2: second half of particular, Adam, I'm sure you were as well,

2071
01:39:04,987 --> 01:39:06,347
Speaker 2: and I was thinking to myself, Man, wouldn't it big

2072
01:39:06,507 --> 01:39:08,227
Speaker 2: if they were like this every week? And I'm sure

2073
01:39:08,227 --> 01:39:10,147
Speaker 2: that's the you know, that's the golden ticket that every

2074
01:39:10,227 --> 01:39:12,347
Speaker 2: Tame's after But why do you think it was so

2075
01:39:12,547 --> 01:39:15,307
Speaker 2: hard for the Warriors to find consistency this year?

2076
01:39:16,787 --> 01:39:20,187
Speaker 11: Definitely the ins and out of swapping positions and people

2077
01:39:20,227 --> 01:39:22,307
Speaker 11: not playing in the right position, to injuries. I think

2078
01:39:22,387 --> 01:39:24,347
Speaker 11: you might have heard if you watched that right to

2079
01:39:24,387 --> 01:39:27,667
Speaker 11: the end of Sean Johnson's interviews. He managed to get

2080
01:39:27,667 --> 01:39:30,467
Speaker 11: three consecutive games, and I don't think he's had that

2081
01:39:30,507 --> 01:39:33,267
Speaker 11: all year. So when when your spine can get some

2082
01:39:33,347 --> 01:39:36,187
Speaker 11: games together, they start getting a bit of a feel

2083
01:39:36,227 --> 01:39:38,147
Speaker 11: for the game and they see things because this is

2084
01:39:38,147 --> 01:39:39,867
Speaker 11: what they do, They get their flow on, and that's

2085
01:39:39,867 --> 01:39:41,507
Speaker 11: what Sean said. He felt like he was into his

2086
01:39:41,587 --> 01:39:44,067
Speaker 11: own last night. So when he set up that last play,

2087
01:39:44,107 --> 01:39:47,347
Speaker 11: it was like a sequence play that they've trained, they've

2088
01:39:47,387 --> 01:39:49,187
Speaker 11: seen it. But this was the third week in the

2089
01:39:49,267 --> 01:39:50,707
Speaker 11: road that he's managed to get on the field and

2090
01:39:50,747 --> 01:39:52,947
Speaker 11: it just all seemed to come together at the right

2091
01:39:52,947 --> 01:39:55,467
Speaker 11: time for Seawan last night. So you know, they've got

2092
01:39:55,467 --> 01:39:57,867
Speaker 11: to get they've got to get consistency about just making

2093
01:39:57,907 --> 01:40:00,747
Speaker 11: sure that they've got time on the field and connection together.

2094
01:40:00,947 --> 01:40:03,587
Speaker 11: It's important. Spines are a big part of your team,

2095
01:40:03,627 --> 01:40:05,867
Speaker 11: and it may be an offseason where they hang out together,

2096
01:40:05,987 --> 01:40:08,227
Speaker 11: maybe it's simple as having a coffee and having a chat,

2097
01:40:08,267 --> 01:40:10,867
Speaker 11: you know, and building those relationships, seeing those connections and

2098
01:40:10,907 --> 01:40:11,747
Speaker 11: being tight as a group.

2099
01:40:12,467 --> 01:40:14,867
Speaker 2: That's how that happens. Are we headed for a Storm

2100
01:40:15,067 --> 01:40:16,747
Speaker 2: Panthers Grand Final? Do you think?

2101
01:40:17,507 --> 01:40:20,267
Speaker 11: Oh? I think Nathan Clear is a big part of

2102
01:40:20,267 --> 01:40:22,787
Speaker 11: that pen of Panthers and I'm guessing he's going to

2103
01:40:22,787 --> 01:40:24,547
Speaker 11: be back in the in the fold the next coming

2104
01:40:24,587 --> 01:40:26,267
Speaker 11: weeks and it's important that they get in there. I

2105
01:40:26,307 --> 01:40:28,107
Speaker 11: definitely think the Storm are going to be there. Maybe

2106
01:40:28,107 --> 01:40:30,147
Speaker 11: two weeks ago I said storm pen of Panthers in

2107
01:40:30,187 --> 01:40:32,427
Speaker 11: the Grand Final, it's all over. But I've late of

2108
01:40:32,547 --> 01:40:37,547
Speaker 11: seen someone like the Roosters come into contention. Don't know

2109
01:40:37,587 --> 01:40:39,227
Speaker 11: about their defense. I know they can score a lot

2110
01:40:39,267 --> 01:40:41,187
Speaker 11: of times and they play a lot of football, but

2111
01:40:41,587 --> 01:40:43,467
Speaker 11: you know, when it comes down to the Grand Finals

2112
01:40:43,547 --> 01:40:45,667
Speaker 11: or winning games in this in this next part of

2113
01:40:45,707 --> 01:40:50,107
Speaker 11: the competition, it's defense that wins wins premierships. And I think, yeah,

2114
01:40:50,267 --> 01:40:52,267
Speaker 11: I think both teams know how to play these big

2115
01:40:52,267 --> 01:40:54,667
Speaker 11: moments and they could be those two good stuff.

2116
01:40:54,747 --> 01:40:56,227
Speaker 2: Well, it's great chatting to you, Adam. I hope you've

2117
01:40:56,227 --> 01:40:58,147
Speaker 2: had a great father's day mate. Thanks for taking the time.

2118
01:40:58,707 --> 01:41:00,627
Speaker 11: Thank you. I appreciate it all the best.

2119
01:41:00,627 --> 01:41:03,307
Speaker 2: Adam Blair joining us to talk Warriors there. Yeah, I

2120
01:41:03,307 --> 01:41:07,107
Speaker 2: think the you know, the the unpacking of Warriors season

2121
01:41:07,107 --> 01:41:09,787
Speaker 2: will happen over the next little while. The season reviews

2122
01:41:09,827 --> 01:41:12,747
Speaker 2: will take place, and yeah, let's hope that that lessons

2123
01:41:12,747 --> 01:41:15,227
Speaker 2: are learned. I think, you know, they always are, aren't they.

2124
01:41:15,627 --> 01:41:17,387
Speaker 2: I think back to this time last year and we

2125
01:41:17,427 --> 01:41:20,067
Speaker 2: were looking forward to the Warriors and their finals run.

2126
01:41:20,227 --> 01:41:22,307
Speaker 2: We don't have that to look forward to this year obviously,

2127
01:41:22,827 --> 01:41:25,067
Speaker 2: and you know we've said many times on the show

2128
01:41:25,147 --> 01:41:28,627
Speaker 2: that that it just hasn't gone the way anybody expected.

2129
01:41:28,707 --> 01:41:31,107
Speaker 2: We're all looking at this Warriors team like a top

2130
01:41:31,147 --> 01:41:33,747
Speaker 2: eight outfit at the start of twenty twenty four, not

2131
01:41:33,867 --> 01:41:36,547
Speaker 2: to be What will twenty twenty five bring well, I

2132
01:41:36,587 --> 01:41:40,067
Speaker 2: guess we'll find out in a few months time. At Raungioda,

2133
01:41:40,147 --> 01:41:43,467
Speaker 2: Wellington fourteen ahead of Canterbury after eighteen minutes and their

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01:41:43,467 --> 01:41:48,227
Speaker 2: Bunnings NPC match. Checking in on the tennis, Danil Medvedev

2135
01:41:48,627 --> 01:41:50,467
Speaker 2: six three in the first set and four to a

2136
01:41:50,507 --> 01:41:55,027
Speaker 2: head in the second over Flavio Koboli. Medvedev, of course,

2137
01:41:55,147 --> 01:41:58,947
Speaker 2: is the fifth seed two twenty six. When we come back,

2138
01:41:58,987 --> 01:42:01,467
Speaker 2: We'll flick our attention across the football. Auckland f SEED

2139
01:42:01,947 --> 01:42:05,307
Speaker 2: less than fifty days away now from their A League debut,

2140
01:42:06,347 --> 01:42:09,067
Speaker 2: Big men's debut anyway, and they've had some new investors

2141
01:42:09,067 --> 01:42:12,907
Speaker 2: this past week, some high profile new investors. Winston Reed,

2142
01:42:13,027 --> 01:42:16,547
Speaker 2: Tim Brown, Noah Hickey, three x All Whites have all

2143
01:42:16,987 --> 01:42:19,587
Speaker 2: jumped on board and jumped into the ownership group. So

2144
01:42:19,667 --> 01:42:22,347
Speaker 2: what's driven this? Which had to one of them? Noahickey

2145
01:42:22,387 --> 01:42:23,227
Speaker 2: with us right after this.

2146
01:42:23,907 --> 01:42:27,387
Speaker 1: Ifs more than just a game? Weekends for it with

2147
01:42:27,547 --> 01:42:31,427
Speaker 1: Jason Pine and G. J. Gardnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted

2148
01:42:31,467 --> 01:42:33,267
Speaker 1: home builder News Talks, NB.

2149
01:42:33,467 --> 01:42:35,747
Speaker 2: Two twenty nine on News Talks, heb Three former All

2150
01:42:35,787 --> 01:42:37,987
Speaker 2: Whites have joined the ownership group of new A League

2151
01:42:37,987 --> 01:42:42,067
Speaker 2: football club Auckland FC. Winston Reed, Noah Hickey and Tim

2152
01:42:42,147 --> 01:42:46,067
Speaker 2: Brown have joined former All Black Ali Williams and entrepreneur

2153
01:42:46,187 --> 01:42:49,467
Speaker 2: Anna Mowbray in investing into the Auckland f C ownership group.

2154
01:42:49,627 --> 01:42:54,387
Speaker 2: The club remains majority owned though by American businessman Bill Foley.

2155
01:42:54,787 --> 01:42:57,347
Speaker 2: Noah Hickey, one of those three, played professional football for

2156
01:42:57,387 --> 01:43:00,947
Speaker 2: a decade, including stints with Auckland's earlier editions of professional

2157
01:43:00,947 --> 01:43:04,187
Speaker 2: clubs the Kings and the Knights. He also had time

2158
01:43:04,227 --> 01:43:07,707
Speaker 2: playing in Finland thirty three for New Zealand between nineteen

2159
01:43:07,747 --> 01:43:10,387
Speaker 2: ninety seven and two thousand and seven, including all three

2160
01:43:10,427 --> 01:43:14,347
Speaker 2: matches at the two thousand and three Confederations Cup. Posters

2161
01:43:14,387 --> 01:43:17,507
Speaker 2: playing career, no Hicky's been involved in all sorts of things,

2162
01:43:17,507 --> 01:43:23,347
Speaker 2: including mentorship, philanthropy, executive leadership and investing. He's been involved

2163
01:43:23,347 --> 01:43:27,747
Speaker 2: in successful ventures like pushpay and co founded fashion brand

2164
01:43:27,827 --> 01:43:32,027
Speaker 2: as You Were. He's currently CEO of fleet maintenance software

2165
01:43:32,107 --> 01:43:35,347
Speaker 2: company whip Around. He also had eight years on the

2166
01:43:35,347 --> 01:43:37,947
Speaker 2: board of Wellington Phoenix. No Hicky's with us from where

2167
01:43:37,947 --> 01:43:40,587
Speaker 2: he's now based in San Diego. Man I got tired

2168
01:43:40,627 --> 01:43:43,067
Speaker 2: even reading that. Noah, I'm surprised you've got time for

2169
01:43:43,907 --> 01:43:45,307
Speaker 2: something else. How are you, mate?

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01:43:46,387 --> 01:43:46,587
Speaker 20: Yeah?

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01:43:46,627 --> 01:43:48,227
Speaker 19: Everyone needs passion projects right.

2172
01:43:48,667 --> 01:43:49,867
Speaker 20: Oh good, Thank you Piney.

2173
01:43:49,987 --> 01:43:50,947
Speaker 7: Great to hear your voice.

2174
01:43:50,987 --> 01:43:52,827
Speaker 2: Great to hear yours as well. Mate. Tell us about

2175
01:43:52,827 --> 01:43:56,147
Speaker 2: the discussions which have led to your investment into Auckland FC.

2176
01:43:57,907 --> 01:44:00,507
Speaker 19: Yeah, well, you know, it's been as far back as

2177
01:44:00,627 --> 01:44:04,347
Speaker 19: times when you really kicked in and were became the

2178
01:44:04,387 --> 01:44:06,987
Speaker 19: prominent figure in New Zealand football as well with the

2179
01:44:07,027 --> 01:44:10,707
Speaker 19: Wellington Phoenix when that moved down to Wellington and Lloyd

2180
01:44:10,747 --> 01:44:14,267
Speaker 19: Morrison with a vision and Rob Morrison, who I think

2181
01:44:14,307 --> 01:44:16,587
Speaker 19: has been the most influential person in New Zealand football.

2182
01:44:16,587 --> 01:44:21,227
Speaker 19: But I'll get onto that doing what they did. And look,

2183
01:44:21,827 --> 01:44:24,587
Speaker 19: I've been away for quite some time, really for about

2184
01:44:25,027 --> 01:44:30,387
Speaker 19: eight years in business in the US mostly and always

2185
01:44:31,067 --> 01:44:33,947
Speaker 19: loves what is happening up here with the MLS and

2186
01:44:33,947 --> 01:44:36,267
Speaker 19: the growth of it, and always had a passion that

2187
01:44:37,027 --> 01:44:40,107
Speaker 19: Auckland needs a team and I think what Wellington has

2188
01:44:40,147 --> 01:44:43,707
Speaker 19: done for not only the league but also for New

2189
01:44:43,787 --> 01:44:49,387
Speaker 19: Zealand has been amazing. So anytime that there was an opportunity,

2190
01:44:49,907 --> 01:44:53,867
Speaker 19: I thought that we could have a derby. And what

2191
01:44:53,907 --> 01:44:55,787
Speaker 19: the ultimate dream would be for me is have an

2192
01:44:55,827 --> 01:44:59,467
Speaker 19: Auckland Wellington final and I could be part of it

2193
01:44:59,507 --> 01:45:01,027
Speaker 19: with some phenomenal people.

2194
01:45:02,307 --> 01:45:03,947
Speaker 20: It's it was very hard to convince.

2195
01:45:03,667 --> 01:45:07,907
Speaker 2: Men good stuff. Was this joint decision by you, Tim

2196
01:45:07,947 --> 01:45:10,707
Speaker 2: Brown and Winston Reid or did you all make the

2197
01:45:10,787 --> 01:45:13,787
Speaker 2: decision to get involved independent of one another.

2198
01:45:15,427 --> 01:45:17,747
Speaker 19: Well, look, I mean we're great mays, the three of us,

2199
01:45:17,747 --> 01:45:20,587
Speaker 19: and we do regularly keep in touch. I mean I

2200
01:45:21,667 --> 01:45:23,907
Speaker 19: went and stayed with Brown a few months ago and

2201
01:45:23,947 --> 01:45:26,187
Speaker 19: I'll do it again soon, and so we've just had

2202
01:45:26,227 --> 01:45:28,627
Speaker 19: discussions about it for a long long time and being

2203
01:45:28,627 --> 01:45:33,387
Speaker 19: pretty passionate about doing something. Winston's done his own thing

2204
01:45:33,427 --> 01:45:37,027
Speaker 19: with academies. I mean, Winston's a powerhouse right just who

2205
01:45:37,067 --> 01:45:40,467
Speaker 19: he is and what he's been able to do. But yeah,

2206
01:45:40,467 --> 01:45:42,947
Speaker 19: for the most part, I've been head down with the

2207
01:45:42,987 --> 01:45:47,507
Speaker 19: business and investments, and so it's been loose conversations.

2208
01:45:47,587 --> 01:45:49,907
Speaker 7: But the moment that.

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01:45:49,187 --> 01:45:51,787
Speaker 19: The opportunity came about, and that was actually a phone

2210
01:45:51,827 --> 01:45:56,267
Speaker 19: call from Ali and Anna, that's when it really kicked

2211
01:45:56,307 --> 01:45:58,267
Speaker 19: into gear. But Tim, I mean, I've got to say

2212
01:45:58,267 --> 01:46:03,227
Speaker 19: Tim's passion behind this and his want well before even

2213
01:46:03,267 --> 01:46:05,507
Speaker 19: this ownership group came in, he was you know, he's

2214
01:46:05,507 --> 01:46:07,947
Speaker 19: been in discussions to make it happen anyway. So I

2215
01:46:07,987 --> 01:46:11,067
Speaker 19: think that's been something that he can be very proud of.

2216
01:46:12,507 --> 01:46:18,747
Speaker 2: How much hands on involvement do you think you'll have, Noah.

2217
01:46:17,347 --> 01:46:18,947
Speaker 20: Probably myself, not so much.

2218
01:46:18,987 --> 01:46:22,347
Speaker 19: It's more if I look at everyone's strengths on there,

2219
01:46:23,107 --> 01:46:26,867
Speaker 19: there's Bill is phenomenal. So you know, when I got

2220
01:46:26,867 --> 01:46:28,787
Speaker 19: the call from Alian Anna, I was in Vegas because

2221
01:46:28,787 --> 01:46:30,027
Speaker 19: I have to spend a lot of time the off

2222
01:46:30,027 --> 01:46:35,267
Speaker 19: the business and I was driving past the Vegas Knights

2223
01:46:35,387 --> 01:46:37,667
Speaker 19: hockey Arena and I was like, Wow, this is meant

2224
01:46:37,667 --> 01:46:37,827
Speaker 19: to be.

2225
01:46:37,987 --> 01:46:39,787
Speaker 7: If it's some reason.

2226
01:46:40,067 --> 01:46:41,627
Speaker 20: The world's aligned.

2227
01:46:41,667 --> 01:46:44,867
Speaker 19: And I'm looking at this amazing achievement from you know,

2228
01:46:45,027 --> 01:46:48,467
Speaker 19: Bill and thinking having that in news Villinder is just

2229
01:46:48,587 --> 01:46:50,547
Speaker 19: I mean, it gives me goose. I'm still to think

2230
01:46:50,587 --> 01:46:52,947
Speaker 19: that that's where New Zealand sports ownership has got to

2231
01:46:53,267 --> 01:46:56,507
Speaker 19: because that's what's made it happen here, and the emails

2232
01:46:56,587 --> 01:46:59,267
Speaker 19: and the like. And so when I look at what

2233
01:46:59,307 --> 01:47:03,827
Speaker 19: he already has in resources and what he brings, and

2234
01:47:03,867 --> 01:47:07,707
Speaker 19: then I lock at Anna and there's world and you know,

2235
01:47:07,747 --> 01:47:10,707
Speaker 19: I've had some first hand exposure to that up here.

2236
01:47:10,787 --> 01:47:13,227
Speaker 19: It's so much bigger than any of us could ever comprehend.

2237
01:47:14,507 --> 01:47:16,387
Speaker 19: I look at what I can bring, and I, you know,

2238
01:47:16,667 --> 01:47:19,267
Speaker 19: I think I've got relationships with the Phoenix. I think

2239
01:47:19,387 --> 01:47:21,747
Speaker 19: us and the Phoenix can actually family.

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01:47:21,547 --> 01:47:23,467
Speaker 20: Will have that hard rivalry.

2241
01:47:23,467 --> 01:47:24,987
Speaker 19: I have already seen some of the band or even

2242
01:47:24,987 --> 01:47:27,547
Speaker 19: with our names being mentioned, which is fantastic.

2243
01:47:28,027 --> 01:47:30,067
Speaker 20: But I do think that, you know.

2244
01:47:30,067 --> 01:47:32,907
Speaker 19: We can do a lot together for New Zealand football,

2245
01:47:33,547 --> 01:47:35,107
Speaker 19: and I think the future.

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01:47:34,747 --> 01:47:36,067
Speaker 7: Of New Zealand football is bright.

2247
01:47:36,267 --> 01:47:39,467
Speaker 19: Having two teams, So any part that I can play

2248
01:47:39,547 --> 01:47:42,387
Speaker 19: in that is where I really want to do as

2249
01:47:42,427 --> 01:47:45,947
Speaker 19: much as I can. And then that's something that I

2250
01:47:46,027 --> 01:47:48,867
Speaker 19: know if we can have more Winston Reeds, we can

2251
01:47:48,947 --> 01:47:54,107
Speaker 19: have more international transfers going to some of these bigger clubs,

2252
01:47:54,107 --> 01:47:56,587
Speaker 19: which is already happening. I mean, New Zealand football is

2253
01:47:56,587 --> 01:47:59,067
Speaker 19: a long time and long way advance with players playing

2254
01:47:59,067 --> 01:48:01,947
Speaker 19: in Europe now when even I was playing.

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01:48:02,707 --> 01:48:04,107
Speaker 7: More of that is what I want to have.

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01:48:04,107 --> 01:48:04,507
Speaker 20: Influence.

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01:48:04,547 --> 01:48:07,627
Speaker 2: And you mentioned Rob Morris before, and I've listened to

2258
01:48:07,627 --> 01:48:10,667
Speaker 2: other interviews and read some of your comments since you've

2259
01:48:11,147 --> 01:48:13,987
Speaker 2: invested in Auckland FC talking about Rob's influence and you

2260
01:48:14,227 --> 01:48:17,267
Speaker 2: obviously alluded to it a short time ago in our chats.

2261
01:48:17,987 --> 01:48:21,707
Speaker 2: How big an influence has he been on you? And

2262
01:48:22,267 --> 01:48:24,267
Speaker 2: as you say, maybe you could expand on his influence

2263
01:48:24,547 --> 01:48:26,107
Speaker 2: on the game here in New Zealand as well.

2264
01:48:27,187 --> 01:48:31,507
Speaker 19: Yeah, well look, Hugh Lloyd Morrison, his brother who is

2265
01:48:32,067 --> 01:48:34,347
Speaker 19: you know, he's past, but he is a hero of

2266
01:48:34,387 --> 01:48:37,467
Speaker 19: my son's actually named after herm and my grandfather, so

2267
01:48:37,507 --> 01:48:41,867
Speaker 19: they were two big influencers. And then introduced me to

2268
01:48:41,947 --> 01:48:45,987
Speaker 19: Rob and the Phoenix right at the early stages and

2269
01:48:46,027 --> 01:48:48,787
Speaker 19: I got to see firsthand how much work Rob put

2270
01:48:48,827 --> 01:48:52,707
Speaker 19: in to this and it's been phenomenal. I mean in

2271
01:48:52,827 --> 01:48:55,107
Speaker 19: terms of not just for the Wellington Phoenix as well,

2272
01:48:55,147 --> 01:48:57,907
Speaker 19: but for the ownership group. There's a couple of the

2273
01:48:57,947 --> 01:49:02,387
Speaker 19: owners who have had major, major roles in getting the

2274
01:49:02,467 --> 01:49:05,347
Speaker 19: league to where it is right now. In Melbourne City

2275
01:49:05,347 --> 01:49:08,347
Speaker 19: they've got Simon, and then I think with Wellington and

2276
01:49:08,387 --> 01:49:11,347
Speaker 19: having Rob, the owners have actually looked to Rob a

2277
01:49:11,387 --> 01:49:13,187
Speaker 19: lot from what I got to see.

2278
01:49:13,267 --> 01:49:13,747
Speaker 9: And.

2279
01:49:15,307 --> 01:49:17,907
Speaker 19: Almost leaned on him because of the way he operates.

2280
01:49:17,987 --> 01:49:20,187
Speaker 19: So for me, look, I think.

2281
01:49:20,027 --> 01:49:24,347
Speaker 20: That he is probably if not.

2282
01:49:24,787 --> 01:49:27,947
Speaker 19: I think he is actually he's the person who has

2283
01:49:28,027 --> 01:49:30,627
Speaker 19: done the most of New Zealand football in the last

2284
01:49:30,707 --> 01:49:34,307
Speaker 19: ten years and also for the A League as well

2285
01:49:34,387 --> 01:49:39,267
Speaker 19: for a New Zealand representation. Everything that I've seen him do,

2286
01:49:39,707 --> 01:49:43,587
Speaker 19: and then how we as an Auckland group and I

2287
01:49:43,627 --> 01:49:46,427
Speaker 19: look at myself in a more as football in New

2288
01:49:46,507 --> 01:49:51,947
Speaker 19: Zealand can do things together or follow and always respect

2289
01:49:52,067 --> 01:49:57,787
Speaker 19: what he did for this pathway. I just feel that

2290
01:49:57,907 --> 01:50:00,307
Speaker 19: I want to add something as well that I can

2291
01:50:01,027 --> 01:50:03,987
Speaker 19: to have any touch of what Rob's done because he's

2292
01:50:04,027 --> 01:50:05,987
Speaker 19: a legend and so you know what influence did you

2293
01:50:06,027 --> 01:50:08,427
Speaker 19: have on me. I got to watch all of that,

2294
01:50:08,667 --> 01:50:11,067
Speaker 19: I got to learn. I'd say, if there's anything that

2295
01:50:11,107 --> 01:50:12,867
Speaker 19: I've got a strength, it's just leaning off people that

2296
01:50:12,907 --> 01:50:15,107
Speaker 19: a much better than me, and you're going and using

2297
01:50:15,147 --> 01:50:15,587
Speaker 19: it myself.

2298
01:50:15,867 --> 01:50:16,067
Speaker 11: Yeah.

2299
01:50:16,307 --> 01:50:18,427
Speaker 2: What an attitude. What a great atitude. So are we

2300
01:50:18,427 --> 01:50:19,747
Speaker 2: going to see you down? I know you're busy, but

2301
01:50:19,747 --> 01:50:21,667
Speaker 2: we're going to see you down there for any games

2302
01:50:21,667 --> 01:50:22,267
Speaker 2: for derbies.

2303
01:50:22,307 --> 01:50:25,227
Speaker 20: Maybe I'd love to be at the derby's.

2304
01:50:26,187 --> 01:50:30,947
Speaker 29: My schedule is pretty crazy, so I've got uh. I

2305
01:50:30,987 --> 01:50:33,507
Speaker 29: know that if I missed too many games, Ali will

2306
01:50:33,507 --> 01:50:36,587
Speaker 29: give me a dead arm and frame the minds.

2307
01:50:37,547 --> 01:50:39,787
Speaker 20: So that's probably where my fear comes from.

2308
01:50:39,827 --> 01:50:41,347
Speaker 7: So make sure I get down for quite a bit.

2309
01:50:42,307 --> 01:50:45,187
Speaker 19: And look, I just I kind of miss New Zealand

2310
01:50:45,907 --> 01:50:49,107
Speaker 19: and this part of it quite often, right, And so

2311
01:50:49,347 --> 01:50:51,307
Speaker 19: anything I can do to jump on a plane and

2312
01:50:51,347 --> 01:50:53,947
Speaker 19: come back and come and catch up with you, Piney

2313
01:50:53,987 --> 01:50:57,787
Speaker 19: and all of the crew, I'll be That's a great

2314
01:50:57,787 --> 01:50:58,307
Speaker 19: part of life.

2315
01:50:58,347 --> 01:50:59,907
Speaker 7: I would say for the future coming.

2316
01:50:59,747 --> 01:51:01,627
Speaker 2: Up, look forward to seeing you and just what we've

2317
01:51:01,627 --> 01:51:03,667
Speaker 2: got you. What is what is my taking up most

2318
01:51:03,667 --> 01:51:08,067
Speaker 2: of your time at the moment? CEO of around that

2319
01:51:08,627 --> 01:51:10,187
Speaker 2: is that the thing that takes up most of your

2320
01:51:10,187 --> 01:51:10,827
Speaker 2: time at the moment.

2321
01:51:12,107 --> 01:51:12,307
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:51:12,387 --> 01:51:14,147
Speaker 19: I mean, look, I'm on a plane every week. We've

2323
01:51:14,187 --> 01:51:20,387
Speaker 19: got some of the largest companies in the US construction

2324
01:51:20,547 --> 01:51:22,187
Speaker 19: through all sorts of things, so I'm learning a lot

2325
01:51:22,187 --> 01:51:24,187
Speaker 19: through that as well. I spent a ton of time

2326
01:51:24,227 --> 01:51:27,147
Speaker 19: doing that. But I've got to say my one of

2327
01:51:27,147 --> 01:51:29,947
Speaker 19: my other major passion projects is surfing, and my son

2328
01:51:30,107 --> 01:51:32,947
Speaker 19: is just an absolute surfer. So I am driving around

2329
01:51:33,027 --> 01:51:35,947
Speaker 19: all of California. You're taking him to surf competitions and

2330
01:51:36,707 --> 01:51:38,707
Speaker 19: you know, learning a bit of surf coaching as I

2331
01:51:38,787 --> 01:51:42,347
Speaker 19: go because I have to. So that's those are the

2332
01:51:42,347 --> 01:51:44,187
Speaker 19: two things that take out most of your time, and

2333
01:51:44,227 --> 01:51:48,147
Speaker 19: they're both funds, so I can't say I've got no complaints,

2334
01:51:48,227 --> 01:51:48,747
Speaker 19: that's for sure.

2335
01:51:48,907 --> 01:51:51,267
Speaker 2: Good stuff. Well it's it was great news during the

2336
01:51:51,267 --> 01:51:53,667
Speaker 2: week to hear of your investment. Along with Tim Brown

2337
01:51:53,667 --> 01:51:56,107
Speaker 2: and Winston Reid. You know, three iconic names in our

2338
01:51:56,147 --> 01:51:58,907
Speaker 2: game and three men who have gone on to great

2339
01:51:58,907 --> 01:52:01,307
Speaker 2: things post their playing career. No awesome to get the

2340
01:52:01,347 --> 01:52:03,107
Speaker 2: chance to chat to your mate. Get down here for

2341
01:52:03,107 --> 01:52:05,147
Speaker 2: one of those derbies. I can't wait to see.

2342
01:52:04,987 --> 01:52:05,747
Speaker 7: You your top man.

2343
01:52:05,827 --> 01:52:06,307
Speaker 20: Cheers playing.

2344
01:52:06,507 --> 01:52:09,187
Speaker 2: Thank you, Noah, Noahicky that one of the new investors

2345
01:52:09,187 --> 01:52:12,267
Speaker 2: into Auckland FC, along with Tim Brown and Winston Reed.

2346
01:52:12,427 --> 01:52:15,187
Speaker 2: Bill Foley. Of course, the American billionaire businessman is the

2347
01:52:15,307 --> 01:52:18,907
Speaker 2: majority owner. Anna Moobray and Ali Williams are the others

2348
01:52:18,947 --> 01:52:22,307
Speaker 2: in that ownership group. Less than fifty days now until

2349
01:52:22,307 --> 01:52:24,907
Speaker 2: the new A League season starts, including of course, in

2350
01:52:25,027 --> 01:52:27,427
Speaker 2: a league debut for the new boys on the bloc.

2351
01:52:27,547 --> 01:52:31,867
Speaker 2: Auckland FC twenty one to three will keep the shape

2352
01:52:31,907 --> 01:52:33,547
Speaker 2: of the ball the same, but go indoors with it.

2353
01:52:33,787 --> 01:52:36,787
Speaker 2: Futsal next, we spoke yesterday to the coach of the

2354
01:52:36,787 --> 01:52:39,627
Speaker 2: New Zealand men's team. Next up the captain of the

2355
01:52:39,667 --> 01:52:42,987
Speaker 2: New Zealand women's team who have earned qualification for next

2356
01:52:43,067 --> 01:52:46,867
Speaker 2: year's Women's Futsal World Cup. Her name is Hannah Krugman.

2357
01:52:47,187 --> 01:52:49,867
Speaker 2: She's with us after this on Weekend Sport The.

2358
01:52:49,867 --> 01:52:53,827
Speaker 1: Tough Questions Off the Turf Weekend Sport with Jason Pine

2359
01:52:53,867 --> 01:52:57,867
Speaker 1: and GJ. Gardner Holmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder News.

2360
01:52:57,707 --> 01:53:01,267
Speaker 2: Talk coming up to forty three on News Talks hed be.

2361
01:53:01,347 --> 01:53:04,267
Speaker 2: The first edition of the fief for Women's Futsal World

2362
01:53:04,307 --> 01:53:07,107
Speaker 2: Cup will take place next year in the Philip our

2363
01:53:07,147 --> 01:53:09,507
Speaker 2: footsal Ferns will be there by virtue of winning the

2364
01:53:09,547 --> 01:53:14,107
Speaker 2: first ever OFC Futsal Women's Nations Cup in Honiara a

2365
01:53:14,147 --> 01:53:17,547
Speaker 2: week ago. They beat Fiji seven to one in the final.

2366
01:53:17,867 --> 01:53:21,507
Speaker 2: Hannah Kruckman captained the New Zealand side, was also awarded

2367
01:53:21,787 --> 01:53:25,307
Speaker 2: the Golden Ball as Player of the tournament and Hannah

2368
01:53:25,387 --> 01:53:27,867
Speaker 2: Kruckman is with us congratulations on what you and the

2369
01:53:27,907 --> 01:53:32,067
Speaker 2: side achieved in Honiara. Hannah thirty six goals scored, only

2370
01:53:32,107 --> 01:53:34,547
Speaker 2: three conceded. Whether a week or so to reflect, how

2371
01:53:34,547 --> 01:53:36,867
Speaker 2: do you assessed the way the team played to qualify

2372
01:53:36,987 --> 01:53:38,147
Speaker 2: for the World Cup?

2373
01:53:39,067 --> 01:53:42,507
Speaker 30: Yeah, no, thank you as well for having me on

2374
01:53:42,547 --> 01:53:44,467
Speaker 30: this and to speak about it. I think, yeah, it's

2375
01:53:44,507 --> 01:53:47,747
Speaker 30: a really exciting time for footsall in New Zealand. And yeah,

2376
01:53:47,787 --> 01:53:49,347
Speaker 30: in terms of how the team played, I mean we

2377
01:53:49,427 --> 01:53:53,267
Speaker 30: had a few days camp before we went across to

2378
01:53:53,427 --> 01:53:55,947
Speaker 30: the Somn Islands beforehand to kind of work on kind

2379
01:53:55,947 --> 01:53:57,787
Speaker 30: of team tacks and things like that. We have a

2380
01:53:58,067 --> 01:54:00,107
Speaker 30: New Zealand based players but also a few five or

2381
01:54:00,147 --> 01:54:02,427
Speaker 30: six of us kind of overseas as well, so it

2382
01:54:02,507 --> 01:54:04,547
Speaker 30: was really good to come back together and just work

2383
01:54:04,627 --> 01:54:06,667
Speaker 30: on kind of you know, the team tactics what we're

2384
01:54:06,667 --> 01:54:09,147
Speaker 30: focusing on, and we just kind of focused each game

2385
01:54:09,187 --> 01:54:11,027
Speaker 30: as it came and we're working on kind of the

2386
01:54:11,027 --> 01:54:13,387
Speaker 30: main principles that we kind of want to play as

2387
01:54:13,387 --> 01:54:14,067
Speaker 30: a team together.

2388
01:54:14,547 --> 01:54:16,427
Speaker 2: Can you tell us how long this has been in

2389
01:54:16,467 --> 01:54:19,627
Speaker 2: the making and how much work has gone into qualifying

2390
01:54:19,667 --> 01:54:21,467
Speaker 2: for the first ever footsall Women's World Cup.

2391
01:54:22,467 --> 01:54:24,587
Speaker 30: Yeah, no, definitely it has been a long time coming.

2392
01:54:24,947 --> 01:54:26,947
Speaker 30: I think we've heard that a lot, but yeah, it's

2393
01:54:27,387 --> 01:54:30,067
Speaker 30: I think twenty seventeen has been the first ever kind

2394
01:54:30,067 --> 01:54:33,267
Speaker 30: of women's footstal Ferns team was established and we played

2395
01:54:33,307 --> 01:54:37,827
Speaker 30: three internationals against New Caledonia. Since then, we've had another

2396
01:54:37,867 --> 01:54:40,427
Speaker 30: tour against China in twenty nineteen, I think it was.

2397
01:54:41,427 --> 01:54:43,107
Speaker 30: But yeah, it's a lot of work from a lot

2398
01:54:43,147 --> 01:54:46,347
Speaker 30: of different people. You know, there's people that aren't currently

2399
01:54:46,827 --> 01:54:48,947
Speaker 30: insof but have put a lot of time, like people

2400
01:54:48,987 --> 01:54:51,267
Speaker 30: like Dave Payne, and then you've got people like Marvin

2401
01:54:51,307 --> 01:54:54,307
Speaker 30: Ekins as well, who is currently in Thailand with the

2402
01:54:54,347 --> 01:54:57,587
Speaker 30: men who are at their pre World Cup tournament. So yeah,

2403
01:54:57,947 --> 01:54:59,747
Speaker 30: in general, there's been lots of work from lots of

2404
01:54:59,787 --> 01:55:02,707
Speaker 30: people and just yet grateful for everyone that's kind of

2405
01:55:02,707 --> 01:55:04,347
Speaker 30: come before us to help kind of pave the way

2406
01:55:04,387 --> 01:55:05,307
Speaker 30: to get us there as well.

2407
01:55:05,467 --> 01:55:08,307
Speaker 2: Now it seems incredible that it's taken this long for

2408
01:55:08,347 --> 01:55:11,027
Speaker 2: there to be a women's footsal World Cup, but here

2409
01:55:11,067 --> 01:55:12,747
Speaker 2: we are. The first one is next year. Can you

2410
01:55:12,747 --> 01:55:15,827
Speaker 2: tell us when you found out that there would be

2411
01:55:15,867 --> 01:55:17,627
Speaker 2: one and how motivating that was for you.

2412
01:55:18,667 --> 01:55:21,427
Speaker 30: Yeah. I think it was twenty twenty two. We found

2413
01:55:21,467 --> 01:55:24,267
Speaker 30: out towards the end of the year, and me and

2414
01:55:24,307 --> 01:55:27,867
Speaker 30: a couple of my friends and football teammates had actually

2415
01:55:27,907 --> 01:55:30,347
Speaker 30: moved over to the UK earlier in twenty twenty two,

2416
01:55:30,947 --> 01:55:33,987
Speaker 30: so I think, and part of, like, not the only reason,

2417
01:55:34,067 --> 01:55:35,267
Speaker 30: but I guess a big part of the reason was

2418
01:55:35,307 --> 01:55:37,787
Speaker 30: to play more football more regularly. You know, they've got

2419
01:55:37,787 --> 01:55:39,667
Speaker 30: like a full season over here and we're playing in

2420
01:55:39,707 --> 01:55:42,627
Speaker 30: training every week now, so it was kind of a

2421
01:55:42,627 --> 01:55:44,547
Speaker 30: big motivation then to hear that a few months after

2422
01:55:44,587 --> 01:55:46,187
Speaker 30: kind of moving over here, which is kind of made

2423
01:55:46,187 --> 01:55:47,867
Speaker 30: that move a lot more worth it as well, to

2424
01:55:47,867 --> 01:55:51,147
Speaker 30: have that, you know, pinnacle world event to work towards.

2425
01:55:51,427 --> 01:55:53,147
Speaker 2: And as I mentioned at the start of the chat,

2426
01:55:53,187 --> 01:55:56,547
Speaker 2: you were the winner of the Golden Ball for best

2427
01:55:56,587 --> 01:55:59,027
Speaker 2: player at the tournament. I know you it's a team game,

2428
01:55:59,067 --> 01:56:01,987
Speaker 2: and it's a team game. But how personally satisfying was

2429
01:56:02,027 --> 01:56:04,347
Speaker 2: it for you to lead from the front and win

2430
01:56:04,467 --> 01:56:06,147
Speaker 2: that award for Player of the Tournament.

2431
01:56:07,147 --> 01:56:09,987
Speaker 30: Yeah, obviously it's always really special and to be recognized

2432
01:56:10,027 --> 01:56:13,307
Speaker 30: with the Golden Ball. Yeah, obviously a proud moment myself.

2433
01:56:13,347 --> 01:56:15,627
Speaker 30: And yeah, I think I have been working hard in

2434
01:56:15,627 --> 01:56:17,027
Speaker 30: the past few years. I mean I think I did

2435
01:56:17,027 --> 01:56:19,507
Speaker 30: my ACL. I can't remember how long it was a

2436
01:56:19,547 --> 01:56:21,827
Speaker 30: while ago now, but we didn't have much football action

2437
01:56:21,867 --> 01:56:23,627
Speaker 30: for a while, and so I've just been working on

2438
01:56:23,707 --> 01:56:25,387
Speaker 30: kind of getting back to where I was before I

2439
01:56:25,427 --> 01:56:28,067
Speaker 30: did my ACL, and yeah, I think in the Golden

2440
01:56:28,067 --> 01:56:31,307
Speaker 30: Ball maybe, Yeah, finally, Sean, you know, I've got back

2441
01:56:31,347 --> 01:56:33,227
Speaker 30: to a good place and hopefully, you know, I kind

2442
01:56:33,227 --> 01:56:36,027
Speaker 30: of can lead by example and show people in New Zealand,

2443
01:56:36,067 --> 01:56:38,707
Speaker 30: you know, these pathways in futsal and hopefully kind of

2444
01:56:38,707 --> 01:56:40,747
Speaker 30: inspire more people to play as well. It's really kind

2445
01:56:40,747 --> 01:56:43,667
Speaker 30: of what I want. And yeah, credit to my teammates though,

2446
01:56:43,707 --> 01:56:47,467
Speaker 30: I mean everyone had amazing, amazing games and yeah, very

2447
01:56:47,507 --> 01:56:48,107
Speaker 30: special moment.

2448
01:56:48,267 --> 01:56:49,827
Speaker 2: We'll tell us a bit more about the squad that

2449
01:56:49,827 --> 01:56:52,387
Speaker 2: you've got together, the you know, the mix in terms

2450
01:56:52,387 --> 01:56:55,587
Speaker 2: of the levels of experience like yourself and maybe some

2451
01:56:55,627 --> 01:56:57,427
Speaker 2: of the younger ones coming through. Who you know, I

2452
01:56:57,467 --> 01:56:59,307
Speaker 2: may go to a number of World Cups in the.

2453
01:56:59,267 --> 01:57:01,547
Speaker 30: Future, Yeah, no, for sure.

2454
01:57:01,627 --> 01:57:01,787
Speaker 24: Yeah.

2455
01:57:01,827 --> 01:57:03,827
Speaker 30: Differently, I think we had a really good max of

2456
01:57:03,907 --> 01:57:05,747
Speaker 30: kind of experience and kind of new players coming through,

2457
01:57:05,947 --> 01:57:08,147
Speaker 30: which goes to show obviously we have kind of grown

2458
01:57:08,187 --> 01:57:10,067
Speaker 30: the pathway New Zealand a lot like this, Like the

2459
01:57:10,347 --> 01:57:13,147
Speaker 30: high school competition is huge now, which is like really exciting,

2460
01:57:13,187 --> 01:57:15,947
Speaker 30: and we've obviously got our national league as well for

2461
01:57:15,947 --> 01:57:19,147
Speaker 30: players to move into after high school. But in terms

2462
01:57:19,187 --> 01:57:20,787
Speaker 30: of our sword at the moment, I mean there's I

2463
01:57:20,827 --> 01:57:22,467
Speaker 30: think there was five or six of us from the

2464
01:57:22,547 --> 01:57:26,387
Speaker 30: original twenty seventeen squad. They also featured in the Solomon

2465
01:57:26,427 --> 01:57:30,347
Speaker 30: Islands recently, so that's really cool, and I think, yeah,

2466
01:57:30,347 --> 01:57:32,187
Speaker 30: it's like seven or eight years you know for us,

2467
01:57:32,187 --> 01:57:35,227
Speaker 30: so that that's I guess really special. But in terms

2468
01:57:35,267 --> 01:57:37,307
Speaker 30: of the mixture that the young players, you've got kind

2469
01:57:37,307 --> 01:57:42,387
Speaker 30: of Jim mccathword Jamie Evans, Jordie Jordana Bremner as well.

2470
01:57:42,427 --> 01:57:44,547
Speaker 30: Who I mean, those two players are just unreal and

2471
01:57:44,547 --> 01:57:47,107
Speaker 30: they've kind of come through the pathway there. I think

2472
01:57:47,227 --> 01:57:51,147
Speaker 30: they're around around their twenties, so they have I guess

2473
01:57:51,147 --> 01:57:53,947
Speaker 30: a long future hopefully in futsal. That's what they want

2474
01:57:53,947 --> 01:57:56,187
Speaker 30: to do and keep doing. But they were all amazing

2475
01:57:56,467 --> 01:57:58,587
Speaker 30: in some islands and really good for them to get

2476
01:57:58,667 --> 01:58:03,547
Speaker 30: kind of international experience as well. Just the pressure, especially

2477
01:58:03,547 --> 01:58:05,187
Speaker 30: in the final, Like it's a different kind of pressure

2478
01:58:05,187 --> 01:58:07,187
Speaker 30: that you feel when you're playing a final compared to

2479
01:58:07,187 --> 01:58:08,987
Speaker 30: like the group games, I think for them to get

2480
01:58:09,027 --> 01:58:10,987
Speaker 30: that experience as well. We were actually it was two

2481
01:58:11,027 --> 01:58:12,547
Speaker 30: one at half time, so I'm not a school line

2482
01:58:13,147 --> 01:58:16,427
Speaker 30: at seven one you know, shows like a decent gap,

2483
01:58:16,547 --> 01:58:18,587
Speaker 30: but we were two one up at half time, so

2484
01:58:18,587 --> 01:58:20,307
Speaker 30: it was very close. You know, it was very tense

2485
01:58:20,347 --> 01:58:22,667
Speaker 30: out there, like the finals can go anyway, especially footsal

2486
01:58:22,827 --> 01:58:24,667
Speaker 30: was into end. You never know what's going to happen.

2487
01:58:24,747 --> 01:58:26,907
Speaker 30: So for those three young players to get that experience

2488
01:58:26,907 --> 01:58:29,747
Speaker 30: of that kind of intense game I think was really

2489
01:58:29,747 --> 01:58:31,947
Speaker 30: good and really promising for the future of our team.

2490
01:58:32,667 --> 01:58:36,227
Speaker 2: Do you have a background in the traditional eleven of

2491
01:58:36,267 --> 01:58:40,027
Speaker 2: side game, Hannah, you know outdoor football, and when did

2492
01:58:40,027 --> 01:58:42,187
Speaker 2: you start taking futsal more seriously?

2493
01:58:43,307 --> 01:58:45,187
Speaker 30: Yeah, yeah, I mean I started playing foot when I

2494
01:58:45,187 --> 01:58:48,107
Speaker 30: was five, you know, like lots of people didn't do

2495
01:58:48,187 --> 01:58:51,787
Speaker 30: in New Zealand, but yeah, I certly started playing footsal

2496
01:58:51,867 --> 01:58:55,467
Speaker 30: probably around seventeen eighteen. One of my friend's dads, actually

2497
01:58:55,547 --> 01:58:57,987
Speaker 30: Daniel Bradley, who's got one of our goalkeepers in the team.

2498
01:58:58,507 --> 01:59:00,307
Speaker 30: Her dad start actually kind of got a bunch of

2499
01:59:00,427 --> 01:59:03,467
Speaker 30: us together playing futsal when we were kind of seventeen eighteen.

2500
01:59:03,867 --> 01:59:05,467
Speaker 30: We all met. A lot of us met kind of

2501
01:59:05,467 --> 01:59:07,387
Speaker 30: through football at that time as well, and so we

2502
01:59:07,547 --> 01:59:09,747
Speaker 30: kind of just started playing for fun because we were

2503
01:59:09,747 --> 01:59:12,107
Speaker 30: all from like different parts of like Auckland, all kind

2504
01:59:12,107 --> 01:59:14,307
Speaker 30: of just came together as a friendship group and we're

2505
01:59:14,347 --> 01:59:16,787
Speaker 30: playing footsore. So that's kind of how my football journey started.

2506
01:59:16,787 --> 01:59:18,667
Speaker 30: And then yeah, a couple of years after that is

2507
01:59:18,667 --> 01:59:20,467
Speaker 30: when we kind of maybe started taking it a bit

2508
01:59:20,507 --> 01:59:24,787
Speaker 30: more seriously, so university there's kind of university competitions, and

2509
01:59:24,787 --> 01:59:27,827
Speaker 30: then in twenty seventeen the World University Games in Brazil

2510
01:59:27,947 --> 01:59:29,707
Speaker 30: was on, So that was probably the moment where it

2511
01:59:29,747 --> 01:59:32,507
Speaker 30: was like, Okay, you know, there are opportunities. Although maybe

2512
01:59:32,507 --> 01:59:34,387
Speaker 30: it's not as many opportunities as in football at the moment,

2513
01:59:34,427 --> 01:59:36,707
Speaker 30: like there was still kind of some really exciting opportunities

2514
01:59:36,707 --> 01:59:38,387
Speaker 30: and you know, I just fell in love with the game,

2515
01:59:38,467 --> 01:59:39,947
Speaker 30: so yeah, I wanted to keep on with it.

2516
01:59:40,227 --> 01:59:42,307
Speaker 2: Great stuff. So you're one of the first teams to

2517
01:59:42,347 --> 01:59:44,427
Speaker 2: qualify for the World Cup. In fact, I think the

2518
01:59:44,507 --> 01:59:47,387
Speaker 2: first team to actually qualify. The host the Philippines of course,

2519
01:59:47,667 --> 01:59:50,227
Speaker 2: will be there too, so you've got the best part

2520
01:59:50,267 --> 01:59:53,547
Speaker 2: of a year or so to prepare. Ideally, how often

2521
01:59:53,587 --> 01:59:56,667
Speaker 2: will you spend time together as a team in preparation

2522
01:59:56,787 --> 01:59:58,627
Speaker 2: for that for the first World Cup?

2523
01:59:59,827 --> 02:00:03,067
Speaker 30: Yeah, I mean, obviously I want to say, oh yeah,

2524
02:00:03,147 --> 02:00:07,907
Speaker 30: but realistically I think it would be amazing to get

2525
02:00:07,907 --> 02:00:10,467
Speaker 30: a couple of tours under our bouts before the World Cup.

2526
02:00:10,987 --> 02:00:13,947
Speaker 30: There isn't actually a date set yet, so it all

2527
02:00:14,227 --> 02:00:15,787
Speaker 30: has been said that it's going to be kind of

2528
02:00:16,067 --> 02:00:18,947
Speaker 30: October November roughly is kind of what they're looking at,

2529
02:00:18,987 --> 02:00:21,867
Speaker 30: but no kind of exact dates yet. So hopefully at

2530
02:00:21,907 --> 02:00:24,667
Speaker 30: least kind of two tours where we can go play

2531
02:00:24,707 --> 02:00:28,107
Speaker 30: a few countries beforehand would be amazing. And then for

2532
02:00:28,147 --> 02:00:30,267
Speaker 30: the players based in New Zealand, I think it'll be

2533
02:00:30,307 --> 02:00:32,707
Speaker 30: great to have kind of you know, a weekend camps

2534
02:00:33,347 --> 02:00:36,347
Speaker 30: leading up throughout the year essentially, and our national league

2535
02:00:36,427 --> 02:00:39,627
Speaker 30: is in kind of January, to aprils when players will

2536
02:00:39,627 --> 02:00:42,587
Speaker 30: be training and playing with their kind of regions, So

2537
02:00:43,547 --> 02:00:46,387
Speaker 30: especially after that, ramping it up to you know, a

2538
02:00:46,427 --> 02:00:48,747
Speaker 30: couple of sessions a month for the New Zealand based

2539
02:00:48,747 --> 02:00:51,427
Speaker 30: players at least, and then the overseas based players coming

2540
02:00:51,427 --> 02:00:54,147
Speaker 30: in for tours or camps where they see fit. But yeah,

2541
02:00:54,307 --> 02:00:56,627
Speaker 30: see budget callustrates and things like that. So yeah, we'll

2542
02:00:56,627 --> 02:00:58,507
Speaker 30: just hope for the hope for the best and yeah,

2543
02:00:58,547 --> 02:01:00,067
Speaker 30: see what we can get.

2544
02:01:00,147 --> 02:01:02,227
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I hope you they'll get a decent program

2545
02:01:02,267 --> 02:01:04,867
Speaker 2: together for you. And you mentioned Marven Deakins before we

2546
02:01:04,907 --> 02:01:07,467
Speaker 2: had them on the show yesterday to the futs All whites,

2547
02:01:08,067 --> 02:01:11,627
Speaker 2: your male counterparts there are about to embark on their

2548
02:01:11,787 --> 02:01:14,267
Speaker 2: Footsall World Cup for the first time in the next

2549
02:01:14,307 --> 02:01:16,187
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. How pleased were you for them to

2550
02:01:16,227 --> 02:01:19,347
Speaker 2: make it after a few years of trying unsuccessfully.

2551
02:01:20,547 --> 02:01:22,507
Speaker 30: Yeah, and I was exscaitic for them, And yeah, they

2552
02:01:22,747 --> 02:01:25,587
Speaker 30: probably have been maybe working towards qualifying for that even

2553
02:01:25,627 --> 02:01:29,467
Speaker 30: longer than we have for our one. So yeah, I think, yeah,

2554
02:01:29,507 --> 02:01:32,907
Speaker 30: Marvin would have been super proud and yeah, super excited

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Speaker 30: for the opportunity to go there and you know, be

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Speaker 30: involved in the first World Cup for the men. So yeah,

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Speaker 30: super proud of them and you're really excited to see

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Speaker 30: what they can do. Obviously got their few games in

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Speaker 30: Thailand as well before the World Cup and then yeah,

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Speaker 30: so super excited.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, well excited for them and excited for you, Hannah,

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Speaker 2: as you've guided the Futsal Ferns to their first Footsall

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Speaker 2: World Cup next year in the Philippines. Thanks so much

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Speaker 2: for joining us. Congratulations, hope you get plenty of plenty

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Speaker 2: of build up matches next year, and again I appreciate

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Speaker 2: you taking the time for a chat today. Thanks Jason,

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Speaker 2: Thanks Hannah. Hannah Crukman there the captain of the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Footsalerns, off to the Futsal World Cup in the

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Speaker 2: Philippines at the back end of next year. Eight Away

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Speaker 2: from three News Talk ZIB.

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Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails weekend

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Speaker 1: sport with Jason Pine News Talk.

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Speaker 2: Zebby five to three. Claire says, what is footsal Please explain? Yes,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Claire, I should have done that. Indoor football.

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Speaker 2: So think of the game of football soccer inside five

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Speaker 2: a side, one of those as a keeper. Huge sport

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Speaker 2: around the world and growing all the time. The first

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Speaker 2: ever Women's World Cup next year. The Men's World Cup

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Speaker 2: has been going for quite some time, so yeah, thanks

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Speaker 2: for the question. I should have made that Clara a

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Speaker 2: short time ago, thirty one nil to Wellington over Canterbury

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Speaker 2: at halftime and RUNGI or goodness me, what's happened to Canterbury.

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Speaker 2: We haven't got time to unpack that today, but maybe

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Speaker 2: we'll do that at some stage in the next little while.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening into the show this afternoon, Tim

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Speaker 2: Beverid's This Afternoon from three with the Weekend Collective. Massive

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Speaker 2: thanks to Andy McDonnell for pulling the show together over

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Speaker 2: the last couple of days. Thank you for your calls

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Speaker 2: and contributions. We're back on Sports Talk tomorrow night between

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Speaker 2: seven and eight, taking us out on the first day

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Speaker 2: of September. Lots of songs about September to choose from,

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Speaker 2: but I've gone with the Earth, Wind and Fire song

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Speaker 2: simply called September out of nineteen seventy eight. Hope the

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Speaker 2: month has started well for you. See you tomorrow night

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Speaker 2: five an.

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Speaker 1: Out more from Weekends Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live

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