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Speaker 1: The Takuzaferrah situation is getting more confusing. So you'll remember

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Speaker 1: he posted an eight minute video at midnight full of

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Speaker 1: anti immigrant comments and then his co leader Debingari were

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Speaker 1: apologized for it, but then he doubled down and refused

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Speaker 1: to delete it. And now the Mary Party president John

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Speaker 1: Talmaheera is backing him up, saying he agrees with what

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Speaker 1: Peris was meaning. So udun Or Flavel is a former

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Speaker 1: co leader of the Maori Party. Hi, Totoror, can I

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Speaker 1: hear that? What do you think of what Tarku dea

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Speaker 1: Pera said?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't quite see the sense of it, and

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Speaker 2: the sense that already throughout even the Marti Party and

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Speaker 2: in my time, many people gave of their time and

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Speaker 2: the energy to deliver pamphlets on behalf of the Marty Party.

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Speaker 3: Why because they believed them what we're trying to do.

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Speaker 3: They believed in the park that the Mary Party played

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Speaker 3: in trying to bring some unity to alter and the

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Speaker 3: involvement in politics. So there's a precedent dating back since

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Speaker 3: the startings of the Marti Party. So for the comment

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Speaker 3: doesn't really in that regarden. I'm pretty sure that even

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Speaker 3: now current MPs of the Mighty Party would gratefully receive

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Speaker 3: any support given to them from any ethnicity. Why because

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Speaker 3: politics at stake, there's a lot at stake, and people

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Speaker 3: actually believe in some of the policies that the various

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Speaker 3: parties hold from time to time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what John Talmaheader has said, it is wrong

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Speaker 1: for other folks to politic and Maori seats because I

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Speaker 1: don't go over to their country like the British raj

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Speaker 1: and destroy India. I don't rage the opium War as

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Speaker 1: the British did with the Chinese. Do you agree with that?

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Speaker 3: I think it's a totally different context here. We have

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Speaker 3: an out there to earn an opportunity for under our

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Speaker 3: political system in the city to provide a party vote

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Speaker 3: to the Mighty Party of the Grand Party, to the

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Speaker 3: Bring Back Buck Party doesn't really matter. And I'm pretty

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Speaker 3: sure that over the years that non Maori from across

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Speaker 3: the world would have provided some their vote having become

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Speaker 3: New Zealand citizens to the Maori Party. And the belief

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Speaker 3: that of the principles or a cope op of the

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Speaker 3: Maori Party, because that was always the guiding principles that

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Speaker 3: we thought people would would come to. So I think

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Speaker 3: that while people talk about this stuff, reality is totally different.

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Speaker 1: Now, what do you think is going on here? Because

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Speaker 1: I can't figure out if there's actually really internal disagreement

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Speaker 1: within the Maori party here about this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't tell you, to be truthful, I'm not

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Speaker 3: not too sure what's going on. It sort of seems

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Speaker 3: in total contradiction to what at least in my day,

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Speaker 3: our day, the days of Tadana Tuty and Peter Sharples,

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Speaker 3: that while we were absolutely pro Maori, we weren't anti

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Speaker 3: Parker how or anybody else. In fact, we tried to

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Speaker 3: be an inclusive party, saying that what's right for Mardi

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Speaker 3: is right for the whole nation. And I would have

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Speaker 3: hoped that none of that had changed, and that people

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Speaker 3: did gravitate to that sort of view from you know,

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Speaker 3: across the various ethnic groups throughout all of old because

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Speaker 3: they saw that there was something about it. And in fact,

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Speaker 3: some of our candidates and the general seats were not Maori.

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Speaker 3: They were Pacifica, they were Chinese, they were Korean. I

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Speaker 3: remember back in the day, all of that was a

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Speaker 3: part of trying to bring inclusivity into the whole discussion,

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Speaker 3: and that Maori Party was advocating in a sense, as

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Speaker 3: we've said out in a number of over the years,

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Speaker 3: to be a treaty based party that accepts that everybody

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Speaker 3: has a role to play, but also accept the importance

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Speaker 3: of Maori in the leadership positions of the party simply

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Speaker 3: because that is that they are the ones that understand

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Speaker 3: and know the cope of the party mad but never

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Speaker 3: at the detriment of leaving other people out. That's the difference.

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Speaker 1: Stally, you know, I think this is I think the

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Speaker 1: anti other people thing makes a lot of people feel sad.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about it?

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Speaker 3: I had to say that I feel a little bit

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Speaker 3: sad about that as well. A lot of people, as

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Speaker 3: I've said, have given a lot to the party over

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Speaker 3: the years, and I think that they will be saddened

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Speaker 3: by such comments, believing that that g what is there

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Speaker 3: real worth within the party. So it's disappointing from the

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Speaker 3: personal view. I don't think that that's the general consensus

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Speaker 3: of the party across the board, and I can't figure

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Speaker 3: out why some of our members have gone are gone

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Speaker 3: this way because it's contrary to where our co popper

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Speaker 3: stands and has always stood from the very beginnings.

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Speaker 1: So order Thanks for your time, appreciate it's ordered all Flavel,

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Speaker 1: former Maori Party co leader. For more from Heather Duplessy,

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