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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from News Talk zed B m.

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Speaker 2: Z timed out as he lined up a light shot

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Speaker 2: at goal last night. He to give him his due,

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Speaker 2: came out in front of the media on it. Here

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Speaker 2: was his postmatch reaction to what played out.

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Speaker 3: Just that's the time. I think we're allowed sixty seconds

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Speaker 3: from the time the penalties blind to win the goals kick.

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Speaker 3: So he did rush me in my last previous kick,

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Speaker 3: seid that I need to speed up, so kind of

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Speaker 3: felt like I didn't take too long in the last kick,

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Speaker 3: and then he did say something when I was in

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Speaker 3: the back of my cack and sort of just went

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Speaker 3: to go forward and but then it was too late.

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Speaker 3: But I'm not pointing the finger anyone. It's completely on

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Speaker 3: my showers. I've got to sort that out around my

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Speaker 3: process and just speeding things up and knowing that once

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Speaker 3: the penalty is blind, I've got sixty seconds to kick

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Speaker 3: the cack and I think, yeah, there was a lot

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Speaker 3: of relief after the we got that final penalty. Would

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Speaker 3: have been disastrous if we lost from from a kick

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Speaker 3: three points, So yeah, something I have to look at,

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Speaker 3: but completely on my shoulders and you know, and that

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Speaker 3: then I had a couple of boards like kik kip,

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Speaker 3: so I'd gotten too my kicking process. And then the

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Speaker 3: last time, I can't remember exactly what was said, but

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Speaker 3: it was a round of speed up. And then as

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Speaker 3: I sort of happened, look up to the post and

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Speaker 3: I went to walk into well, I was on my

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Speaker 3: way to walk in and then the whistle was blind.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, again it's it's something I have to look at.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I've got a slow sort of process.

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Speaker 3: I probably feel like I've taken longer before, but it's

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Speaker 3: that's the rule, so I'm I have to sort it out.

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Speaker 3: I think it would be great if there was a

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Speaker 3: of get a bit of an idea. It's why counting

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Speaker 3: in my head the sixties, especially when I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: focus on my cat's not there great. So yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean if they had what I've played in games where

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Speaker 3: there was a shot clot so if there was one

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Speaker 3: up on the screen, there'd be awesome, than can heaven?

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Speaker 2: There you go, there's Damien McKenzie after the game last Nightey,

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Speaker 2: as I say, front it up. He didn't have to

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Speaker 2: come out and talk to the media. He did, among

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Speaker 2: them New Zealand Herald Rugby writer Liam Napier. I thought

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Speaker 2: he owned that quite well, Liam, don't you he did.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was very nice to hear him be so

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Speaker 4: honest and open about it. Wasn't that there were no complaints.

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Speaker 4: He wasn't trying to point the finger at anyone else

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Speaker 4: and he he did say that the referee George and

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Speaker 4: referee he spoke to him in his previous kick as well.

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Speaker 4: So as I've seen from a few Australians saying, now

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Speaker 4: you know how we feel after that Classic Leaders Though

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Speaker 4: finish in Melbourne a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they'll do You think they'll put a

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Speaker 2: timer on the screen. Surely that would be easy to do.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they'll do that? For Eden part?

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Speaker 4: It does seem like a common sense decision, doesn't it.

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Speaker 4: Whether Mark Robinson gets on the phone to Nick Sawton

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Speaker 4: on this week seems like a very simple, easy request

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Speaker 4: kickers and the players, but the fans of the grounds.

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Speaker 4: Now in Dunedin they put up the decisions across the

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Speaker 4: big screen, every decision that was made penalty wise, it

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Speaker 4: it shouldn't be a big thing to have that sort

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Speaker 2: In overall terms. Did you get what you expected last

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Speaker 4: To a degree? I think given the limited preparation the

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Speaker 4: All Blacks head, the fact that this is the biggest

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Speaker 4: sea change for the All Blacks in twenty years, they

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Speaker 4: had eighteen new management, a lot of experience, they had

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Speaker 4: them to be scratchy, rusty, nervous, and they were. They

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Speaker 4: started probably better than I expected. And England had the

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Speaker 4: of naming pretty much the same team other than their

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Speaker 4: So for me, this was a real blown opportunity for England.

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Speaker 4: This was their best chance to strike their first tour

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Speaker 4: came out of the box brilliantly in the second half.

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Speaker 4: They put the All Blacks under extreme pressure and they

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Speaker 4: just couldn't quite finish the job. I don't know if

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Speaker 4: you've done the sums pliny, but this match could have

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Speaker 4: easily been a drawer. Off Marcus Smith kicked all his kicks.

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Speaker 4: There was eight points, Damien McKenzie missed seven, including the

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Speaker 4: timed out penalties, so it could have easily been a

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Speaker 4: a fair result.

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Speaker 2: So what got the All Blacks across the line?

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Speaker 4: I think they did well to fight through their adversity

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Speaker 4: in the second half and McKenzie did kick enough goals.

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Speaker 4: Ardie Severe was huge with a couple of turnovers on

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Speaker 4: counter rucks. They just they did enough. But it was

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Speaker 4: very squeaky, very nervous. Scott Robinson talked about hatching the

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Speaker 4: wall behind him in the coach's box and you not

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Speaker 4: being totally calm. So this was a real experience, for

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Speaker 4: first experience for that whole management team. While there is

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Speaker 4: a strong degree of continuity from the playing group, it

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Speaker 4: is a new group and I expect them to be

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Speaker 4: a lot better. But this was a very near thing,

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Speaker 4: wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: It was? It was So what will be on Scott

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Speaker 2: Robertson's to do list as he hops on a plane

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Speaker 2: at some stage today, presumably jets up to Auckland. What's

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Speaker 2: on his to do list right at the top of it.

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Speaker 4: I think there's some things that Delbis will take away

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Speaker 4: from a positive perspective. Their scrum was extremely dominant without

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Speaker 4: getting the rewards where bizarre refereeing calls there. They use

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Speaker 4: them more well at times, probably not as much, but

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Speaker 4: in terms of improvements getting around the English rush defense,

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Speaker 4: the lion speed from Felix Jones, he's a former springbox

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Speaker 4: defense coach's coming and that rattled deal Blacks at times.

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Speaker 4: They target the second man Damien McKenzie got flattened a

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Speaker 4: couple of times Erikawani. They did score twice with McKenzie

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Speaker 4: kicking to the edge for severe recent Stevie Petterfetter skipping

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Speaker 4: out of Ben Earl's tackles to get around that rush.

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Speaker 4: But it just kept coming and so that will be

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Speaker 4: a huge focus. I think the breakdown England had success there.

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Speaker 4: I think Olie Lawrence and the rookie winger Emmanuel got

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Speaker 4: England's dominated the breakdown and the lineouts. Geel Blacks lost

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Speaker 4: I'm sure there'll be more just decision making as well.

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Speaker 4: You look at the back end of the first half.

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Speaker 4: Bill Black's played beyond the hooter inside their own half,

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Speaker 4: England and penal and they lock it up at ten

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Speaker 4: or and given the All Black dominance, they didn't deserve

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Speaker 4: to be level at halftime. So Bill Blacks should be

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Speaker 4: better for that hit out, But there is a lot

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Speaker 2: Do you expect any personnel changes in the All Black

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Speaker 4: I think the key one will be probably at half back.

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Speaker 4: TJ Petinara had that nasty twist of his knee with

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Speaker 4: Scott Barrett and the cleanouts, and I'd be very surprised

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Speaker 4: he was walking around the lobby today, didn't look too serious,

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Speaker 4: but I'd be very surprised he didn't merge for the

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Speaker 4: see for make Christie coming at half back. If TJ

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Speaker 4: to call in a replace, maybe Fala Falcatava or Noah Hopm,

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Speaker 4: But outside of that, I think it will be largely

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Speaker 4: continuity and cohesion. That'scott Robertson more want. He hasn't had

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Speaker 4: getting improvements from that starting tend. The only other tweak

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Speaker 4: potentially maybe they look to indict Boden about at the back.

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Speaker 4: I was impressed by Stephen Pittefestter, but they did pull

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Speaker 4: reasoning given for starting Stephen Pittefestter was that Boden had

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Speaker 4: only had one match club rugby match in the past

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Speaker 4: five weeks, so that's probably something their way up. I

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Speaker 4: would also like to see a bit more punched from

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Speaker 4: Neil Black's pack, but whether they make any changes there.

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Speaker 4: Certainly I don't see them coming in the front row

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Speaker 2: Potentially at Blindside he can black at his fit, isn't

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Speaker 4: Goody, Yeah, I think he'll be in consideration. Hasn't played

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Speaker 4: that's certainly a discussion point at six summer Penny Female,

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Speaker 4: I don't think you can knock his work great, but

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Speaker 4: he probably didn't deliver the consistent ball carrying, powerful presence

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Speaker 4: certainly discussion to be had at blind So Luke Jakibson

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Speaker 4: And his work creator Mark Kala the same. So I

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Speaker 4: don't think you've seen too many changes elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: All right, And just on England you talked about being

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Speaker 2: a lost opportunity. They blew the chance to break a

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Speaker 2: long standing drought of wins in New Zealand that goes

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Speaker 2: all the way back to two thousand and three. Was

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Speaker 2: last night their best chance? Or will the way they

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Speaker 2: played last night give them confidence they can go to

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Speaker 2: the fortress at is Eden Park and went up there

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Speaker 2: next weekend.

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Speaker 4: We're going to expect them to take heart from that

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Speaker 4: performance and improve themselves. But this was the best chance

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Speaker 4: to catch the All Blacks on the hop to you know,

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Speaker 4: expose a team that's had such limited time together. And

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Speaker 4: I think it is there is something about Eden Park,

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Speaker 4: with your buy into the universal mystique or whatever it is,

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Speaker 4: there is something in eden Park that brings out the

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Speaker 4: best in the All Blacks. So I would expect Theill

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Speaker 4: Blacks to improve in the next week, to play better.

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Speaker 4: But look, I expect England to still be competitive. They're

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Speaker 4: still going to bring the rush, defense, the pressure at

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Speaker 4: the line, out the breakdown. They will still challenge the

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Speaker 4: All Blacks. But this was the best chance. And you know,

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Speaker 4: when you comes so close and don't get over the line,

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Speaker 4: there is a bit of a hangover from that, so

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Speaker 4: they'll have to move on pretty quickly. But I didn't know,

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Speaker 4: Jamie Jill postmatch saying you know, they were a bit

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Speaker 4: pissed off to a degree that the Blacks didn't know

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Speaker 4: their names last week, and Jimmy George when an interview

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Speaker 4: we are now. So this is a motivated England team.

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Speaker 4: They're very driven to break that history, so they'll give

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Speaker 4: it a good crack next week.

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Speaker 2: So fantastic. Well, I've had a clock running while you've

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Speaker 2: been on the air and you bang on the allocated time, Liam,

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Speaker 2: you haven't gone over it and you had no visual

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Speaker 2: que either, presumably, so well done.

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Speaker 4: That's great. Didn't have to call him a TMO.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have to save travels mate. We'll see you

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Speaker 2: in Auckland next week.

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Speaker 4: It's funny, Tom Man.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Liam, Liam Nape you there. New Zealand Herald senior

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Speaker 2: rugby writer. Always worth reading his copy, be it match

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Speaker 2: reports or analysis, insit Herald dot co, dot ez it,

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Speaker 2: or just pick up the paper if it's around where

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