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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duper cell and Drive with One New Zealand to coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else.

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Speaker 2: News storks that be.

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Speaker 3: Alfternoon.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the show coming up today. The Police Acting

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Speaker 4: Deputy Commissioner on the news that one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 4: officers have been stood down for faking breath tests, the

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Speaker 4: background on why Donald Trump is doing those rare earths

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Speaker 4: and minerals deals, and Nichola Willi's Finance minister with us

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Speaker 4: after six on a Monday as always. Okay, how is

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Speaker 4: it possible that the Dame Noles crisis has actually got

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Speaker 4: worse today? How is it possible that she's got her

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Speaker 4: job back today and this thing has still got worse.

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Speaker 4: I'm getting the impression that Netball New Zealand do not

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Speaker 4: realize how bad this is today. If they don't realize

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Speaker 4: the enormous damage that Dame Knowles has done to them

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Speaker 4: by going on at least three radio interviews on one

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Speaker 4: TV interview and saying repeatedly the same thing that she

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Speaker 4: does not know how she was stood down, that there

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Speaker 4: was no investigation to clear her before she was brought back.

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Speaker 4: If they don't realize how enormous this is. I can't

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Speaker 4: explain it to them. They're not responding today to Dame

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Speaker 4: Knowles's comments. They're not saying if she's right or wrong.

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Speaker 4: All we know is that the Netball New Zealand minder

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Speaker 4: told her to stop telling Mike Hosking that she didn't

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Speaker 4: know why she was stood down. Now, let me, for

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Speaker 4: the benefit of everyone, but particularly I think for Netbull

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Speaker 4: New Zealand, explain how bad this is. None of us

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Speaker 4: disagreement that has been dragged out in public like this

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Speaker 4: for this long, with this much interest in it. Not

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Speaker 4: even I would say, the John hawksby Richard Long case

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Speaker 4: at the time. Not even that went on this long

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Speaker 4: think of a single time when Mike Hosking interviewed someone

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Speaker 4: over four interview slots, which is what happened with Dame

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Speaker 4: Knowles this morning. Even during covid J Sindadun maybe got

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Speaker 4: three slots maximum Nole's got four. That's how big this

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Speaker 4: It's certainly big enough I think for somebody at NETBULLN

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry to say this because I've got a lot

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Speaker 4: of respect for Matt Winneray, the chair of the board,

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Speaker 4: but I think this is now big enough for him

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Speaker 4: the CEO, Jenny Wiley, or frankly both of them. Either

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Speaker 4: that or they tell us that Dame Knowles is wrong

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Speaker 4: and that what she said on here this morning was wrong.

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Speaker 4: But if her version of events is right, then what

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Speaker 4: has happened to her is completely unacceptable, and NETBALLN New

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Speaker 4: Zealand must indicate that they think that that they do

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Speaker 4: not condone this kind of ill treatment of employees, because

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Speaker 4: their judgment is now in question. We're all looking at

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Speaker 4: this and thinking, if you can stuff up something this badly,

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Speaker 4: what else are you going to stuff up? They cannot

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Speaker 4: afford for us to not believe in their judgment because

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Speaker 4: they are now far from far They are far from

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Speaker 4: broadcasting problems they have not saved the domestic competition. If

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Speaker 4: them at even every single turn that, I'm sorry, someone

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Speaker 2: This, ever, do for see Ellen.

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Speaker 4: Nineteen nine. Who's the text number? Standard text fees apply? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'd love to know what you think. We're going to

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Speaker 4: talk to the huddle about this later on. Now onto

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Speaker 4: something completely different. Z Energy has apologized for any confusion

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Speaker 4: caused by an advertising campaign that it ran three years ago.

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Speaker 4: You might remember the campaign. It said that ZED energy

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Speaker 4: was in the business of getting out of the petrol business. Now,

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Speaker 4: Consumer New Zealand and some climate groups said this was

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Speaker 4: It's now been settled out of court. Now Lindas Jones

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Speaker 4: lindis Hi there. So what is it that you're apologizing for?

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, that statement I was intended to

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Speaker 6: people to think about Z differently, not just a fuel provider,

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Speaker 6: but to the extent that we left any confusion that

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Speaker 6: we're getting out of selling people petrol anytime soon. We've

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Speaker 4: Say, are you ever going to stop selling petrol?

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Speaker 6: It's my role is to ensure that we provide the constant,

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Speaker 6: reliable supply of energy to customers, and that's something we

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Speaker 6: take seriously. And that's not just the fuel that we

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Speaker 6: sell today, but where possible we help customers if they

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Speaker 6: want to transitions at evs and lower emission sorts of vehicles.

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Speaker 6: So the civil answers I don't know, but my role

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Speaker 6: is to make it as easy as possible for when

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Speaker 4: I mean, because you can see how this does feel

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Speaker 4: like greenwashing, Like if you say you're getting out of

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Speaker 4: the petrol business, but you don't actually think you're going

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Speaker 6: Well, I disagree with that. It was made against the

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Speaker 6: background of significant investment and plans and strategies, so things

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Speaker 6: that we've done, things we're planning to.

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Speaker 4: In suit, not with any real prospect of ever getting

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Speaker 4: out of the petrol business, Like, you're not going to

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Speaker 4: stop selling petrol, are you?

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Speaker 2: I think there will.

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Speaker 6: Come a time when there are that's subject a whole

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Speaker 4: Uncertain the way though, Isn't it like if I'm v

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Speaker 6: Well, if we don't start the transition now, we'll never

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Speaker 6: get there. And it's something that we do need to

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Speaker 6: get an action over it because every day, year and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I take your point. Do you can

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Speaker 4: you see why this upset the climate groups.

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Speaker 6: Look, this is a case where we've just agreed to disagree.

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Speaker 6: That statement was made alongside a whole lot of other

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Speaker 6: information that can textualize it and provided background. So it's

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Speaker 6: a case of we've agreed to disagree and they've dropped

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Speaker 4: Okay, and you'll be more careful with your claims in

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Speaker 6: Well, what I've learned from this is two things. The

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Speaker 6: So being absolutely clear and transparent matters. And yes, secondly,

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Speaker 6: I think the putting yourself at any risk ground this

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Speaker 4: Say what less, disclose what less?

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Speaker 6: Ah So, one of the things that we've always prided

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Speaker 6: So that transparency, we believe has always been critical to

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Speaker 6: safer just to say less, disclosed less. I don't think

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Speaker 6: that's the right thing, all right, that would be the

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Speaker 4: Right, Linda's thanks very much, appreciate your time. That's Linda's Jones,

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Speaker 4: Zen Energy chief Executive. Now, I don't love this kind

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Speaker 4: of litigation, but it might surprise you to know that

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Speaker 4: in the lawyers have won against Zed Energy on this

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Speaker 4: because there are a few things I hate more than greenwashing,

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Speaker 4: Because what greenwashing does is gets everybody to start talking

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Speaker 4: Liam Moore, And by the way, if you want to

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Speaker 4: get a hold of Liam Lawson a piece of Liam

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Speaker 4: Lawson history. He is selling the first car that he

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Speaker 4: owned in New Zealand. It's a two thousand Sabaru Forester. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: there was a pretty fast car actually back in the day.

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Speaker 4: All the boys who drove Sabaru's pretty cool, weren't they.

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Speaker 4: charity for Mike King's I Am Hope Foundation. The auction

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Speaker 4: but you'd also be helping at charity out Sixteen past.

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Speaker 4: Heather, We're going to be pumping oil out of the

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Speaker 4: ground till the end of the next century at least.

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Speaker 4: Cheers David. You know what, David, I think I think

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Speaker 4: you're probably more right with that statement than you are

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Speaker 4: than z was saying they were going to get out

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Speaker 7: Hello, Hello, Heather.

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Speaker 4: Well, that lot's got a lot worse for netball New Zealand,

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Speaker 4: didn't it It?

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Speaker 7: Did it?

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Speaker 4: Why aren't they talking? What the hell is wrong with them?

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Speaker 7: I don't know the answer to that question. What I

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Speaker 7: do know is that this is bound to go down

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Speaker 7: as one of the most shambolic sporting administrative chapters in

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Speaker 7: our history. I think the look trying to put this

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Speaker 7: into terms we can all understand. If we're called into

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Speaker 7: a situation which has a risen, which is putting our

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Speaker 7: employment at risk. We're going to stand you down. We're

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Speaker 7: not going to tell you why we're standing you down,

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Speaker 7: but we are going to stand you down. No right

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Speaker 7: thinking person should have to accept that. Heather, that is

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Speaker 7: a completely ridiculous set of circumstances. So it's actually ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: It is so ridiculous. It sounds to me, reading based

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Speaker 4: this morning, it sounds to me like she has been

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Speaker 4: told in general terms what's wrong right, which is that

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Speaker 4: players feel like they aren't safe talking to her about

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Speaker 4: things that you know, just talking to her about the situation.

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Speaker 4: But then then where I think this becomes problematic is

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Speaker 4: perhaps where she says, okay, give me an example of

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Speaker 4: somewhere where a player didn't feel safe and that they

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Speaker 7: Why can't we just be adults here? The why can't

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Speaker 7: the why can't people just sit around a table? Why

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Speaker 7: can't somebody tell Dame Nolen, and let's let's say the

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Speaker 7: head of the players Association, Step Bond, why can't she

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Speaker 4: Because is that possible, Piney that when you go back

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Speaker 7: Well if that's well, if that's the case, then what

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Speaker 4: If that's what earth are we doing? It doesn't matter

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Speaker 7: No, there has to be some severe scrutiny. You're right

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Speaker 7: Rugby has got themselves to in this in this absolute

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: Either Rugby's ridiculous, isn't it? Finey?

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Speaker 7: No, what a segment?

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Speaker 1: Either?

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Speaker 9: Everyone?

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Speaker 7: Morning stuff?

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Speaker 1: For twenty three, digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's

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Speaker 4: Be Heather, how was oasis? Did you have it all?

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Speaker 4: This is a total train wreck for Netball New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: The day's newspeakers talk to Heather First, Heather do for

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Speaker 4: Nicola Willis, Finance Minister, is going to be thus after

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Speaker 4: The confirmed death toll from Hurricane Melissa and Jamaica has

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Speaker 4: The coalition in Australia is having some internal issues over

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance. Peace of mind

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the maybe John Tomahead and the CE from Netbull

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Speaker 4: get a hitter mate. What's going on with your property prices?

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Speaker 11: They're good, aren't they? If you live in Perth, where

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Speaker 4: So now the kids are going to get angry because

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Speaker 11: Spot on, And if you live over here, like genuinely,

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Speaker 4: It is super scary, like you have home.

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Speaker 11: Opens here every week where one hundred and twenty families

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Speaker 11: Because she has no policy platforms on anything, She does

439
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Speaker 11: not stand for anything, and while the Liberal Party and

440
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Speaker 11: the National Party are tearing each other apart, she is

441
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Speaker 11: just a sitting duck at the moment, and she really

442
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Speaker 11: needs to come out with something. I think there was

443
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Speaker 11: a misstep last week as well, attacking the PM's T

444
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Speaker 11: shirt when he stepped off the plane and that Joy

445
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Speaker 11: Division T shirt. I think ultimately people should have been

446
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Speaker 11: questioning why was the PM coming off an aeroplane wearing

447
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Speaker 11: a T shirt when he's on business.

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Speaker 4: I was told, I was told that he'd ask that

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Speaker 4: no media film him.

450
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Speaker 2: Because he did.

451
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Speaker 11: But he knew what he was doing and he knew

452
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Speaker 11: it would leak. And I'll tell you why he did it,

453
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Speaker 11: because ultimately he wants to send that message back to

454
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Speaker 11: the left and the hard care lefties of the Labor Party.

455
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Speaker 11: Though I'm still one of you boys and girls, even

456
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Speaker 11: though I've just been with Trump, you know, sitting in

457
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Speaker 11: his office, maybe looking as though I was, you know,

458
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Speaker 11: the puppet and I was having.

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Speaker 4: A good giggle. I'm still a big member of the

460
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Speaker 4: left of the Labour Party. Seeing you Enjoy Division T

461
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Speaker 4: shirt a signal that you're a lefty.

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Speaker 11: Because it signals to you know, his hardcore members of

463
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Speaker 11: the lesson Labor Party.

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Speaker 4: Correct, Well, I just think it's signals that he's a

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Speaker 4: try hard Well that too, is that?

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Speaker 11: But all these Australian pms, don't you go back to

467
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Speaker 11: Howard right used to walk around the streets around the

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Speaker 11: Wallabies track suit.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's a lot cooler, isn't it? Is it? Is

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Speaker 4: it cooler?

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Speaker 11: He's got beaten by England on the weekend.

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Speaker 4: But the Wallabies were cool back then, weren't they enjoyed

473
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Speaker 4: a vision like a man of his age sixty three

474
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Speaker 4: wearing a Joy Division T shirt. It's just really try hard.

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Speaker 11: Well, we had Metallica here on the weekend. What do

476
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Speaker 11: you want to me in a Metallica T shirt?

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Speaker 12: No?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, look, we've had a big discussion on

479
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Speaker 4: the show about this. We've just we've just reached the

480
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Speaker 4: conclusion while I have that and men of his age

481
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Speaker 4: should just stick to basic white T shirts well, or

482
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Speaker 4: or how out a collar? What about a collar or

483
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Speaker 4: a collar. You could do that, You could do Daggy

484
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Speaker 4: Dad collar. Listen, tell me how the Senate hearing is

485
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Speaker 4: going to go for the opt to CEO.

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Speaker 11: Not good, but it never was going to be. This

487
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Speaker 11: is a show trial. He's appeared before the inquiry this morning.

488
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Speaker 11: They've been questioning him whether that information provided to Anika Well's,

489
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Speaker 11: the Communications Minister, was misleading. Now he was asked with

490
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Speaker 11: those initial notifications disingenuous, even only referred to about ten

491
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Speaker 11: calls and there obviously dozens and dozens of calls. He

492
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Speaker 11: said it was inaccurate, it was not dishonest, and he's apologized.

493
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Speaker 11: Look that the government and the opposition for that matter

494
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Speaker 11: as well, still probably looking for really his head on

495
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Speaker 11: the chopping block. He's lost his CIO, he's lost his CFO.

496
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Speaker 11: I don't think Stephen Rue will be leaving Optics, and

497
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Speaker 11: he's a fairly new CEO in that position anyway, having

498
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Speaker 11: already led the NBN. But this will, as I say,

499
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Speaker 11: be a bit of a show trial. You never want

500
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Speaker 11: to see this happen again, Absolutely you don't. But I

501
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Speaker 11: don't think it will achieve much more than a bit

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Speaker 11: of grandstanding.

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Speaker 4: Got on you, Olie, it's good to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: Look after yourself. Oliver Peterson six pr Perth Life Present

505
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Speaker 4: to eighteen away from five.

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Speaker 2: Hell do for Seelos Right?

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Speaker 4: So Oasis? So I did not come back with an

508
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Speaker 4: Oasis T shirt because I cannot be criticizing Elbow for

509
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Speaker 4: wandering around in his Joy Division T shirt and then

510
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Speaker 4: wandering around in an Oasis T shirt. But let me

511
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Speaker 4: tell you that the Core club in Melbourne yesterday was

512
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Speaker 4: filled with about one thousand losers who were all wearing

513
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Speaker 4: their Oasis T shirts like everybody was in their Oasis.

514
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Speaker 4: There was a family of four there mom, dad and

515
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Speaker 4: the two kids. They're all wearing their Oasis gigs gears.

516
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Speaker 4: I was like, wow, chances you went to Oasis last night.

517
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Speaker 4: Hi anyway, so only teasing. If you bought the gear,

518
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Speaker 4: I'd be wearing the gear all the time. So everybody

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Speaker 4: knew that I was cool and went. Did you not

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Speaker 4: if you went to the concert in Melbourne? Did you

521
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Speaker 4: not just sit there like I didn't think I feel nostalgic,

522
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Speaker 4: and I just felt nostalgic. For a time when it

523
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Speaker 4: just felt simpler, you know. It was the mid nineteen nineties.

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Speaker 4: Blue was cool. Oasis was cool. Being a football hooligan

525
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Speaker 4: was cool. Like a football hooligan was the big threat

526
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Speaker 4: that the UK faced, right, and the UK was cool.

527
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Speaker 4: We wanted to go and live there. Everybody wanted to

528
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Speaker 4: go do an oe there and hang out with the

529
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Speaker 4: gallaghers and being in the same place as anyway nowadays.

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Speaker 4: Then you look at it, then come home and then

531
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Speaker 4: somebody stabs somebody on a train in London and you say,

532
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Speaker 4: and nobody wants to live in London anymore. If you

533
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Speaker 4: want to do anae, you do an oe to. I

534
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Speaker 4: don't know, you know Australia nowadays or whatever. I just thought, jeseus.

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Speaker 4: It was a good time, wasn't it when Oasis was cool?

536
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Speaker 4: So that's the first thing is you're going to sit

537
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Speaker 4: there and go I am so nostalgic. Second thing is

538
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Speaker 4: their music hasn't aged well because it's I was sitting

539
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Speaker 4: there going, m this is very basic rock. Like it's

540
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Speaker 4: a lot of c's and g's and d's and a's

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Speaker 4: and all of it. Isn't the major key, do you

542
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Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like it's all very simple, just

543
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Speaker 4: four just four chords. Basically, I thought, yeah, this is

544
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Speaker 4: probably it could have been more complicated boys. But anyway,

545
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Speaker 4: so it was great in the nineties, maybe less great now.

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Speaker 4: This is my tip if you are going, drink a

547
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Speaker 4: lot of beer before you go to the concert, because

548
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Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of beer will make the

549
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Speaker 4: music more complicated for you. Having said that, and then

550
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Speaker 4: you can have a big sing along and you have

551
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Speaker 4: a great time. Having said that, So glad I went.

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Speaker 4: Wouldn't have missed it for the world. They're playing in

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Speaker 4: Sydney next week. And if you've got the dollars in

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Speaker 4: the time, do it. Quarter two.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centric credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 4: Oh goodness, I'm supposed to speak thirteen. I know you

557
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Speaker 4: what I get hold on And the no, the reason

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Speaker 4: I forgot to speak is I'm reading a statement from

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Speaker 4: Dame Nolene that I have to talk about. This a

560
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Speaker 4: new statement that's just come out and it's just made

561
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Speaker 4: everything just one frustrated with that's more important than exactly

562
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Speaker 4: So I'm going to talk about that later on, but

563
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Speaker 4: right now it's thirteen away from five. Barry Sober Senior

564
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Speaker 4: Political Correspondence with me High Barry so Well, the Maori

565
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Speaker 4: parties and meltdown, isn't it.

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Speaker 13: Well, you know we've been saying this, haven't we for weeks?

567
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Speaker 13: Now it's in meltdown, but it just gets goes from

568
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Speaker 13: bad to words. Now they're calling for John Tammaheady's resignation

569
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Speaker 13: and it comes following a vote by the party members

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Speaker 13: to suspend Amino Cappa Kingi, the executive of Teitai Tonga.

571
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Speaker 13: They cover the South Island. Of course, it's Takuta Ferris's

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Speaker 13: electric that they abstained from that resolution. And now they're

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Speaker 13: adding fuel to the fire as well. Now Takuota Ferris,

574
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Speaker 13: he says that he supported Cappakinghi and he didn't agree

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Speaker 13: with the motion to suspender. Now that's all very fine.

576
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Speaker 13: Then we had John Talman Herry heading back and a

577
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Speaker 13: very large post on social media today he called it

578
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Speaker 13: a white freezing of a white feeding frenzy.

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Speaker 2: You know, just leave.

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Speaker 14: Racism is so undistsarb If any political party was melting

581
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Speaker 14: down to the extent that they are regardless of race,

582
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Speaker 14: you'd be talking about it.

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Speaker 13: I mean, this is politics. Nevertheless, he decided to have

584
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Speaker 13: a go bad. He also dug in and he said

585
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Speaker 13: that but this is not Carpa Kingy's first rodeo in

586
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Speaker 13: August twenty twenty three, and he's trying to drive further

587
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Speaker 13: divisions in the party, he said. Cappa Kingy objected vehemently

588
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Speaker 13: to the position of Hannah Mighty Clark on the list,

589
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Speaker 13: and essentially she objected to it because they didn't want

590
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Speaker 13: someone in nappies to take that electorate. Well, you know,

591
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Speaker 13: so now he's driven the division further quite trying to isolate.

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Speaker 4: Well, it does it not feel so if you've heard

593
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Speaker 4: the rumors, right, you've you've heard Maria men or Kapa Kingi, Yep,

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Speaker 4: it was problematic. She's now been whatever she has suspended.

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Speaker 13: I don't know how to do it.

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Speaker 4: So she's on the and you've heard Takuzaferis's trouble as well.

597
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 4: Now his electorate has caused more trouble. And then you

598
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Speaker 4: also heard Hannah Mighty Clark has been difficult for party leadership.

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Speaker 13: Kuiper the new one.

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Speaker 4: It feels like what John Tamerhead is trying to do here.

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Speaker 4: I have a witge between Maria Menou and Hannah, so

602
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Speaker 4: they don't go together exactly.

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Speaker 13: And also, I mean the divisions are all over the place.

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Speaker 2: He's trying to drive.

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Speaker 4: Now, Okay, so Luxein's had something to say, Oh, of course.

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Speaker 13: Yes, sir, this is music to the government's He is

607
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Speaker 13: Chris Luxen at his post cabinet news conference was having

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Speaker 13: fun at the Maori parties expense.

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Speaker 15: I don't think to party Maray is a serious outfit.

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Speaker 15: I think they are activists. I think that performative. I've

611
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Speaker 15: never had a sensible I've never heard of a single

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Speaker 15: policy idea from Taparty Maori about how they're going to

613
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Speaker 15: improve outcomes from Maori students, Maori health, Marie achievement, and

614
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Speaker 15: so you know, I don't take them seriously frankly, and

615
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Speaker 15: I think you know the people. I don't want to

616
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Speaker 15: work with them. I won't be working with them. But

617
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Speaker 15: the guy that does is Chris Sipkins. He wants to

618
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Speaker 15: work with them, so does he want to work with

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Speaker 15: the Greens. All that means is more tax more spending,

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Speaker 15: more borrowing, and frankly, a party that hasn't had one

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Speaker 15: serious policy idea. I mean, imagine a cabinet table where

622
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Speaker 15: Chris Hopkins is sitting there with Chloe Swoalburicker's Minister of Finance,

623
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Speaker 15: and Martin mcdavidson and Rawery Ytt and Dewi Nolapecker. That

624
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Speaker 15: is just chaos, you know, it's just a complete soap opera. Well,

625
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Speaker 15: we came here to do serious things and that's what

626
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Speaker 15: I'm getting out of bed to do every day. What

627
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Speaker 15: the hell everyone else does? I don't really care.

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Speaker 13: Frankly, I've never heard lux And has sort of so

629
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Speaker 13: stirred up about animation, doesn't he? Well, I think you know,

630
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Speaker 13: his objectives is obviously trying to keep them out of power.

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Speaker 13: So he said that any accommodation that National may have

632
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Speaker 13: with them is out the gate, unlike what John Key

633
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Speaker 13: did in two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 4: Listen very quickly, what's going on with the Captain takes Idea?

635
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Speaker 13: Essentially, they look, they haven't answered the essential question, when

636
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Speaker 13: do you get your valuation?

637
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 4: When do you get your valuation? Who does the valuation?

638
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Speaker 4: Who pays for the valuation?

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Speaker 16: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: Well, a spokesperson for the Inland Revenue they said they

641
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Speaker 13: don't want to be commenting on the policy, but they said, look,

642
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Speaker 13: the approaches that have been made concerning the bright line test,

643
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Speaker 13: which is the the current capital gains takes we really have,

644
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Speaker 13: doesn't apply because it doesn't use evaluation day, which is

645
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 13: quite correct uses a sail day and grateful values have

646
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Speaker 13: been talked about, the values council gives on your property,

647
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 13: and of course they can't be relied on because you

648
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Speaker 13: may have upgraded your property, put a swimming pool in

649
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Speaker 13: the backyard or something. So yeah, you know, I mean

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Speaker 13: this is a policy without a hell of a lot.

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Speaker 4: Iween capital gains in the Maori party see labors on

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Speaker 4: tractor not win the next election. As thank you, Barry

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Speaker 4: very Soper, Senior political correspondent. We'll get across the netball

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Speaker 4: New Zealand statement that's just come through from Dame Knowles

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Speaker 4: eight away from five.

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Speaker 2: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast,

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Speaker 2: welcome back.

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Speaker 17: Can I publicly start by thanking you about half of

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Speaker 17: my South, the family and actually the Tippoo community for

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Speaker 17: keeping the home fires burning so to speak. I'm elated

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Speaker 17: to be back and it feels like game day.

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Speaker 18: If I'm going to be honest, good do you sit

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Speaker 18: here this morning happy and vindicated?

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Speaker 2: Or is there more to it?

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Speaker 14: Look?

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Speaker 17: I do sit here feeling happy. I don't take my

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Speaker 17: role lightly. I feel I'm a guardian as a head

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Speaker 17: coach number eleven, and I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That the fact you're back but not back. Are you

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Speaker 2: happy about that?

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Speaker 18: Look, I'm back.

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Speaker 17: It's probably the thing that I that I'm holding on.

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Speaker 19: To back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 19: with the Defend News Talk z.

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Speaker 4: B West Pax profits up. I don't I don't know

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Speaker 4: if that makes your day better or worse, but it's

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Speaker 4: gone up impressively if you're a showered he probably stoked

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Speaker 4: thirteen percent. Net profit is now one point two billion dollars.

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Speaker 4: That's up from around about one billion dollars last year.

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Speaker 4: Trouble is, that's not trouble enough, but the trouble is

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Speaker 4: more particularly there is based on the net interest margin.

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Speaker 4: So this is basically what the thing they're making a

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Speaker 4: profit on. Right, it's gone from two point two percent

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Speaker 4: last year to two point three two percent this year.

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Speaker 4: And do you do you want me to tell you

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Speaker 4: the paypacket of the chief executive?

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Speaker 3: What was that?

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, here we go. Katherine McGrath. Katherine McGrath was

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Speaker 4: earning Australian Oh no, I'll give it to you New

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Speaker 4: Zealand dollars. Two million dollars last year, four million dollars

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Speaker 4: this year. Now you's got to go treat yourself. You

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Speaker 4: deserve it anyway, Nikola Willis. Remember how Nikola was like,

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Speaker 4: I don't like this banking situation. She's with us after six,

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Speaker 4: we'll talk to her about it. Okay. So Netball New Zealand,

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Speaker 4: so I said to called Netball New Zealand today. I said,

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Speaker 4: Netball New Zealand, can you please come on the show.

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Speaker 4: I don't think you realized how serious this is what

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Speaker 4: Dame Knowles has said. And I said, particularly the but

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Speaker 4: where Dame Noles said that she was stood down and

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Speaker 4: she actually doesn't even know why. And they said, okay, well,

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Speaker 4: well no we can't go. That went away. I had

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Speaker 4: to think about it. No we can't come on the show.

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Speaker 14: Okay.

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Speaker 4: I was like, just so you know, it's really not

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Speaker 4: normal that Mike Hostkin does an interview with someone across

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Speaker 4: four interview segments, and it's not normal that the world,

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Speaker 4: the country is this interested in what you've got to

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Speaker 4: say and what's going on. No, we'll send yester. They

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Speaker 4: sent me a statement clarifying Dame Knowles's comments. The review

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Speaker 4: did not get into specific details or allegations in a

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Speaker 4: way that could identify individual players, so those are the

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Speaker 4: details I don't have. I can appreciate why anonymity is important,

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Speaker 4: but I did find that difficult. How does this statement

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Speaker 4: make it better? This statement just confirms that what she

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Speaker 4: said was true. She does not know why she was

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Speaker 4: stood down. That is mental as anyway, that's still not

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Speaker 4: coming on the show, So we're going to talk to

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Speaker 4: Max's whitehead about how Mentalist is next.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can try the truck to

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Speaker 1: ask the questions, get the answers, find the fact and

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Speaker 1: give the analysis. Here the duplicyl and Drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand and the Power of satellite Mobile News doorgs be.

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Speaker 4: Afternoon. Dame no Lean Todu's latest round of interviews has

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Speaker 4: raised more questions than answers. She says she doesn't know

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Speaker 4: why she was stood down from her job.

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Speaker 17: In real simple terms, I don't know and I can't

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Speaker 17: tell you, and that's that's why truth.

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Speaker 4: And with regards to how she managed to get the

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Speaker 4: job back and whether she was cleared of whatever allegations

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Speaker 4: were leveled against.

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Speaker 18: Her, there's been no investigation.

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Speaker 17: What I what I am happy with is that I'm

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Speaker 17: reinstated and I'm looking forward to the Commonwealth.

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Speaker 4: Game in the last half hour. Netblen New Zealand has

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Speaker 4: sent us a statement attributed to Dame Noline saying the

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Speaker 4: review did not clarifying her statements from this morning, by

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Speaker 4: the way, saying the review did not get into specific

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Speaker 4: details or allegations in a way that could identify individual players.

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Speaker 4: So those are the details I don't have. Netblen New

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Speaker 4: Zealand has declined to come on the show to talk

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Speaker 4: about it. Max Whitehead is an employment expert. I MAXI Max.

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Speaker 4: I'm well, can you stand down an employee without telling

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Speaker 4: them specifically what they're accused of?

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Speaker 8: The answer to that is no, you cannot do that because,

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Speaker 8: particularly somebody high profile, like in this circumstances, because everything's

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Speaker 8: exaggerated and everything's you know, ratchet up on the fact

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Speaker 8: that she's high profile. It's costing her reputation and the

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Speaker 8: fact that the employer has an obligation on good faith

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Speaker 8: and a natural justice to provide her with a name

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Speaker 8: and people of what the allegations are. If what she's

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Speaker 8: saying is correct and she hasn't been notified of that,

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Speaker 8: then there's a complete breach of the obligation of an

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Speaker 8: employer here. If they are employers, So what about so

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Speaker 8: if she's not, even if she's a contractor, Heather yea,

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Speaker 8: then they've still got obligations to treat her in you know,

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Speaker 8: in the fairness of the whole situation.

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Speaker 4: So what about the argument they've obviously leveled to her,

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Speaker 4: which is, we can't tell you the specific allegations because

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Speaker 4: doing that would be naming the players, and we've promised

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Speaker 4: the player's anonymity.

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Speaker 8: Well that's the problem. They shouldn't have even raised it

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Speaker 8: and they even acted on it. Because I coach a

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Speaker 8: coach HR people all the time. Do not accept confidential promises,

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Speaker 8: don't engage with them because if a person says, could

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Speaker 8: I keep this confidential, but I want to talk about

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Speaker 8: so and so, well you've got to say, well, if

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Speaker 8: you want us to fix it, then you need to

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Speaker 8: let us know because we're going to have to confront

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Speaker 8: that individual and we have a legal obligation to notify

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Speaker 8: them in natural justice what the who their accuser is

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Speaker 8: and what their accusations are.

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Speaker 4: So, then when she says that there was no investigation

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Speaker 4: before being reinstated, that explains this, doesn't it There was

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Speaker 4: no investigation necessary because they simply changed their mind about

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Speaker 4: standing her down. They realized they've.

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Speaker 8: Made I guarantee this is your next point. More then,

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Speaker 8: why was she stood down?

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Speaker 4: Well? And why was she stood I mean.

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Speaker 8: Really it seems ridiculous she stood down for something that's

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Speaker 8: not that important to do an investigation about.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So Max, on a scale of one to ten,

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Speaker 4: one being this is like only a tiny stuff up.

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Speaker 4: Ten it's a massive employment stuff up. Where are we sitting?

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Speaker 8: I think we're sitting at about an eight or a

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Speaker 8: seven and eight because the the facts on this one

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Speaker 8: is because it's such a high profile individuals and because

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Speaker 8: the whole nation are watching closely, then I would say

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Speaker 8: that this is actually rattured right up to the to

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Speaker 8: the top almost because complain that bigger.

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Speaker 4: Pardon do heads need to roll for this?

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Speaker 2: I would think so.

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Speaker 8: I mean you would think that a netball New Zealand

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Speaker 8: would be getting legal advice before they did this, and

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Speaker 8: if they have, well, this legal advice isn't up to scratch,

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Speaker 8: because this is fundamental of any employment advisor out there

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Speaker 8: would not be telling people to advising an employer or

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Speaker 8: even a principle and like if she's just a contractor

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Speaker 8: to conduct themselves in such a way, particularly for public

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Speaker 8: watching over unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: Maxiston, thanks very much, appreciate your time, Max Whitehead. Employment

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Speaker 4: expert Heather Duplicy Ellen one d and twenty police officers

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Speaker 4: are under investigation for making thirty thousand breath tests. Jill

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Speaker 4: Rogers is the acting Deputy Commissioner for the police and

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Speaker 4: with us.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Jill Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm very well, thank you? Okay. Oh, the how long

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Speaker 4: a period were they doing this?

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Speaker 18: So we started to audit from the first to July

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Speaker 18: twenty twenty four and concluded it the thirtieth of September

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Speaker 18: this year, which basically is the period of the current

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Speaker 18: investment program. So that was the period that we audited.

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Speaker 4: Okay, And are you sure every single one of the

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Speaker 4: officers was doing it?

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Speaker 18: Of one hundred and twenty that we've identified years, why

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Speaker 18: were they doing? Now we're working that's going to be

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Speaker 18: interesting as to what comes out of the employment investigation,

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Speaker 18: as they'll have their own individual investigations now to work

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Speaker 18: through to work out why they did it. You know,

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Speaker 18: I scratched my head, going what on earth were they thinking?

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Speaker 18: It appears that many of them were done on the

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Speaker 18: way to or from legitimate checkpoints, and we've got a

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Speaker 18: range of the one hundred and twenty. Some of them

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Speaker 18: have done small numbers, some of them have done more numbers.

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Speaker 18: Some of them have spread over a short period of time,

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Speaker 18: and some of the other ones are spread over the

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Speaker 18: whole period.

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Speaker 4: Is it because they wanted to increase the numbers that

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Speaker 4: they could say a number of breath tests so they

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Speaker 4: could say they had done that particular day. Is this

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Speaker 4: something as simple as that?

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Speaker 18: Potentially it was, yeah, potentially with an individual thing that

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Speaker 18: they felt the need to contribute more to. But you know,

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Speaker 18: the thing is that exceeded the target anyway with the

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Speaker 18: legitimate testing that they've done, and that we're confident in

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Speaker 18: the figures that have legitimately been tested. That why they

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Speaker 18: needed to add the extras on at the start and

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Speaker 18: end of the shift.

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Speaker 4: Is it possible that they were wagging and weren't actually

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Speaker 4: doing the breath testing in the first place, but just

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Speaker 4: faking it.

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Speaker 18: No, we've been able to go through and confirm that

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Speaker 18: they were on duty when they've been done.

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Speaker 4: How how do you do it? How do you think

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Speaker 4: a breath test?

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Speaker 18: The machines that are all assigned, they have GPS technology,

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Speaker 18: in them, and they are assigned to individual officers, so

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Speaker 18: they record where they are, the time of the day,

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Speaker 18: all of that sort of data that are individually assigned

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Speaker 18: to the officer, and so we can see how many

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Speaker 18: tests are done. And that's where we built this algorithm

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Speaker 18: to be able to look at the data and say,

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Speaker 18: are there any anomalies and are there any inconsistencies, And

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Speaker 18: that's how these ones came out that we could see

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Speaker 18: the algorithm that we built as indicated two tests done

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Speaker 18: within a ninety second period that was done at over

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Speaker 18: twenty kilometers to our house.

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Speaker 4: Do you do while they're traveling? Obviously, how do you

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Speaker 4: do a fake test?

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Speaker 18: Yeah? Yeah, so just putting the button and so this

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Speaker 18: is what the algorithm has shown up is that they

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Speaker 18: were moving. It's either what you would consider a legitimate

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Speaker 18: even a running speed. So they've been traveling while they've

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Speaker 18: done it, and that's how the algorithm has packed up consistently.

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Speaker 4: What's the worst case for these guys is it a

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Speaker 4: sackable offense.

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Speaker 18: And we'll have to work through the employment process with them.

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Speaker 18: So we've come up with a framework that looks at

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Speaker 18: the different levels and of course we've got people across

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Speaker 18: the organization that have been packed up in this order,

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Speaker 18: and so we'll let that employment investigations take their place

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Speaker 18: and determine what those outcomes will be. Not flash, Jill, thanksappointing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jill, thank you. Okay, imagine, thanks very much for

873
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Speaker 4: your time. Jill Rogers rather Acting Deputy Police Commissioner. I've

874
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 4: got it feels like a silly day today, doesn't It

875
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 4: feels like a day of people doing really dumb things.

876
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Speaker 4: So I've got a dumb thing from the labor party

877
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 4: to tell you about limited but not so dumb thing.

878
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 4: The amount of unpaid work we all do has been quantified.

879
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 4: I've got numbers for you. Stand by for that quarter

880
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 4: past Heather. Both Jenny Wiley and Matt Winnerrey have absolutely

881
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 4: got to go. This is dreadful and disgraceful treatment of

882
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 4: Dame Noline and if they don't walk, high performance Sport

883
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 4: needs to step in. I actually think a lot of

884
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Speaker 4: people will be reaching this, certainly the conclusion that I

885
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Speaker 4: reached at the start of the show. I think you

886
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Speaker 4: if you were listening eighteen parts five, now we've got

887
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 4: a dollar for give for you on how much unpaid

888
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 4: labour people are doing for their households. Now this relates

889
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 4: to Australia. Unpaid labor is basically the house housework, by

890
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 4: the way stuff like cock and clean and caring for

891
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 4: family members turns out over in Aussie. There's seven hundred

892
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 4: and eighty seven billion New Zealand dollars of unpaid labor

893
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Speaker 4: happening every year. The majority obviously is done by women.

894
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Speaker 4: Leonora Reese is the Associate professor of economics at the

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Speaker 4: University of canber who's done the numbers and is with

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Speaker 4: US high Leonora, Hi, Heather, great to join you. Yeah,

897
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Speaker 4: it's good to talk to you, dreck. And it's roughly

898
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Speaker 4: the same in New Zealand.

899
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Speaker 12: Oh.

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Speaker 5: I imagine New Zealand and Australia do have a lot

901
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Speaker 5: of similarities. And a shout out to my New Zealand

902
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Speaker 5: family members. I have a lot of family over in

903
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Speaker 5: New Zealand as well, so I think we do have

904
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Speaker 5: similar cultural norms and patterns. So I imagine it's not too

905
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Speaker 5: dissimilar in New Zealand. But also of course there's still

906
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Speaker 5: variation in different households.

907
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Speaker 4: We have to do this work, Leonora. No, you have

908
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Speaker 4: to wash the dishes, you have to back in the floors.

909
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 4: You have to look after the kids. So what's the

910
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 4: value in putting a dollar value on it?

911
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 5: Well, you are right, I think you make it a

912
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 5: really good point there, Heather, that it's essential work. Right,

913
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Speaker 5: So it is essential. We have to do it. It holds

914
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Speaker 5: our economy together, it holds our society together. And yes,

915
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Speaker 5: we don't do it to get paid. Often we do

916
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Speaker 5: it because we have to do all because we really care,

917
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Speaker 5: you know, when we're caring for our loved ones or

918
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Speaker 5: family members with the disability, elderly parents. We do it altruistically.

919
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 5: But the fact that most of it is done by women,

920
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Speaker 5: so two thirds of this work is done by women.

921
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Speaker 5: If we're not recognizing it, then what we're doing is

922
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Speaker 5: we're not recognizing women's overall contribution to the economy, the

923
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Speaker 5: productive activities that hold our economy together. So it's about

924
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Speaker 5: shining a spotlight on it. And yes, it's essential. But

925
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Speaker 5: because we've got such strong gender patterns and we still

926
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Speaker 5: see this gender gap in pay and decision make king

927
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Speaker 5: you know this is this still feeds into some of

928
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Speaker 5: those inequities and those biases in our economic system.

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Speaker 4: Leonora, I don't know how to break out of this though,

930
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Speaker 4: because frankly, we're just women are just more efficient, better

931
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Speaker 4: at washing the dishes, generally better at cooking, definitely have

932
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Speaker 4: a better eye for a spot of dirt. So unless

933
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Speaker 4: we want to live in filthy houses and eat gross food,

934
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Speaker 4: we have.

935
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Speaker 2: To do it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Look, I think there are some households where, you know,

937
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Speaker 5: some there's an argument to be made head of that.

938
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Speaker 5: Maybe men are quite intentionally I'm not saying, oh man.

939
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Speaker 4: Are you going to come at me with that one

940
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Speaker 4: as possible.

941
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Speaker 5: Quite intentionally not you know, doing a high quality job

942
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Speaker 5: so that it prompts households to specialize. In economics, we actually,

943
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Speaker 5: you know, we talk about households specializing and who specializes

944
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Speaker 5: in you know, doing that, the kitchen cleaning, and who

945
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Speaker 5: looks up you know, mows of the lawn, and that

946
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Speaker 5: can be a reflection of ability as well as preferences

947
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Speaker 5: and priority. But I think, you know, things are also changing.

948
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Speaker 5: If we're saying, we're saying to women, step into the

949
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Speaker 5: paid workforce, invest in your education, you know, study work

950
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Speaker 5: hard in building your financial independence. And yet at the

951
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Speaker 5: same time, if household work is still so unbalanced, then

952
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Speaker 5: there's something, you know, something still unbalanced at home, achieve

953
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Speaker 5: try balance.

954
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Speaker 4: Leonora, thank you, I really appreciate this is fascinating. Leonora Reese,

955
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Speaker 4: Associate Professor of Economics at the University of Canberra. What

956
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 4: the Blokes do is called weaponized incompetence and don't pretend

957
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 4: you don't do it. Now we're going to talk about

958
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 4: the trip to Melbourne next. I've got something to say

959
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 4: about that. And also see Simon dallow has finally decided. Yep,

960
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 4: that's what he's announced. The date he's gone by the

961
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Speaker 4: end of the month, and what's the face Melissa is

962
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 4: going to be taking over Melissa Stokes. So Dunk and

963
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 4: Grief of the spinoff will talk us through whether this

964
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 4: was the right choice for TV ins in and he's

965
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Speaker 4: with us after the half past News five twenty two.

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Speaker 1: The name you trusted to get the answers you need,

967
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: it's Heather duplus Clan Drive with one New Zealand coverage

968
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: like no one else News Talk.

969
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: They'd be Feather.

970
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 4: Bring back Judy are Judy Bailey the last one We

971
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 4: really Loveday with a passion, but that was back in

972
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Speaker 4: the day when we all watched the News five twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Now listen, let me tell you how busy Melbourne was

974
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Speaker 4: this past weekend when I was there, Oasis was on

975
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 4: at Marvel Stadium, Ricky Martin was on at Rod Labor,

976
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 4: The cricket was on at the MCG and the races

977
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 4: were on right and they're still on. Obviously, Melbourne had

978
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 4: more big events in one weekend than Auckland has in

979
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Speaker 4: three months, and as a result, the city was pumping.

980
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 4: The hotels would choker, the shops would choker, the restaurants

981
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 4: with choker everywhere we went, even for breakfast, we were

982
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 4: asked if we had a booking. When when was the

983
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 4: last time you went somewhere in New Zealand for breakfast?

984
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 4: And we're asked, do you have a breakfast booking? Every

985
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 4: time we went out for breakfast, do you have a booking?

986
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Speaker 4: Luckily we managed to squeak in basic. Hotel rooms were

987
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 4: going for six hundred dollars each and that's just for

988
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 4: the basic ones. One of my friends went into a

989
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 4: shop and came out with about three outfits. That is

990
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 4: how much money was being spent in the city.

991
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 5: Right.

992
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 4: You wouldn't know that if you were there, But this

993
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 4: is a city that is facing basically the same kind

994
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 4: of trouble in the city central that Auckland City and

995
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 4: Wellington City currently are facing, but they're dealing with it differently.

996
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 4: In Melbourne, they're just filling their city up with tourists

997
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 4: instead of turning it over like Auckland and Wellington are

998
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 4: to trouble at night now. To be honest, while I

999
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 4: was there, I actually was really confronted with how busy

1000
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 4: it was, how good the vibe was. I've kind of

1001
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 4: forgotten what that felt like because it's been such a

1002
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 4: long time in our major cities that we've had that.

1003
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 4: And if I wasn't already convinced that Auckland needs to

1004
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 4: go hard for a bed tax for tourists, I'm absolutely

1005
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 4: convinced now. So I'm in Bridges and Wayne Brown are right.

1006
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 4: We need to get events into Auckland City on the

1007
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 4: regular and to do that, we need to get the

1008
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 4: tourists themselves to pay for those events rather than the

1009
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 4: rate payers. With this bed tax. It's good for hospital

1010
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 4: it's good for retail, it's good for accommodation, it's good

1011
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 4: for the vibe. And the difference between Melbourne and Auckland

1012
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 4: now is night and day. And I'll tell you what,

1013
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 4: Having been there. We've clearly got a fair bit.

1014
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 2: Of catching up to do either dupic Allen.

1015
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 4: Right, Labor, here we go. Labor. It turns out has

1016
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 4: no idea how it's going to do the capital gain

1017
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 4: X because it has no idea how it's going to

1018
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 4: value all the houses in the country on one day,

1019
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 4: the first of July twenty twenty seven. So remember how

1020
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 4: I asked Chippy when it when it came out last week.

1021
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 4: Remember how I asked Chippy that and he's like, oh,

1022
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 4: there's a bunch of ways and all the text working

1023
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 4: group said and it was a bunch of ways, and

1024
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 4: I was like, what are those ways? He well, no,

1025
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 4: he didn't know. And they still don't know. They don't

1026
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 4: know because it's a massive problem with their policy. Right,

1027
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 4: how do you value every single house in this country

1028
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 4: on the one day the first of July. We do

1029
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 4: not have enough valuers, right, you simply don't. Then they

1030
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 4: wouldn't have enough time. So what they've decided is don't

1031
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 4: worry about it, and that's their policy on and they're like,

1032
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 4: don't worry about it, we'll figure it out after the election.

1033
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 4: So they've decided what kinds of valuation can be used,

1034
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Speaker 4: how many methods would be available to us, who pays

1035
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 4: for the valuation, whether we can contest the valuation, and

1036
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Speaker 4: what happens if a property does not get evaluation within

1037
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Speaker 4: the five year period. Don't worry about it. I'll figure

1038
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 4: it out after the election.

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Speaker 20: Is that for you?

1040
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 4: With confidence? Neither right? We'll talk about Simon Dallo next.

1041
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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1042
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. It's Heather duplicy Ellen

1043
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand hand of power of satellite

1044
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Speaker 1: mobile news talks.

1045
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Speaker 2: There'd be.

1046
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Speaker 5: Right.

1047
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 4: We've got the huddle standing by Thomas Scrumer and Josepgani.

1048
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 4: Thomas is in for Trish today and then after six

1049
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 4: as per usual. Niko lewillis the finance ministers with us.

1050
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Speaker 4: Right now it's twenty four away from six now. Simon

1051
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 4: Dallo has finally confirmed the rumors and the speculation he

1052
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 4: is leaving the job. He'll be out of the job

1053
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 4: at the end of NOVA the weekend News read and

1054
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 4: Melissa Stokes will replace him. TV and Z has called

1055
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Speaker 4: it the end of an era. Duncan Greeve is a

1056
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Speaker 4: media commentator and founder of the spin off High Duncan.

1057
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Speaker 3: Kelder had that Simon is.

1058
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Speaker 4: Very good at his job, wasn't he?

1059
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Speaker 21: He was, and for a very long time too.

1060
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Speaker 4: But is it really that long? I mean, Judy Bailey

1061
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Speaker 4: did it for twenty yearsn't mean that's just kind of

1062
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 4: how long you expect it to be, don't you.

1063
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Speaker 7: I don't know.

1064
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Speaker 21: In media in this era, eighteen years feels like a

1065
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Speaker 21: good shift.

1066
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I suppose it does. Melissa Stokes is an interesting choice.

1067
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Speaker 4: I thought she is the continuity candidate, right, the safe option,

1068
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Speaker 4: which feels to me a little bit more like hanging

1069
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Speaker 4: on to your existing viewers rather than trying to win

1070
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Speaker 4: ow the new viewers. Do you think.

1071
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Speaker 21: I think that's exactly what it is, and I think

1072
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Speaker 21: that's why it's the correct decision, because there aren't that

1073
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Speaker 21: many other new viewers to be fought for. You know,

1074
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Speaker 21: if you look at the ratings for three News there

1075
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Speaker 21: it's pretty there's not a lot there. Yeah, they've gone

1076
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Speaker 21: down a bit, but it almost feels more like attrition

1077
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Speaker 21: from you know, six pm. Then it does transfer to

1078
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Speaker 21: TV and Z, so you know, the the six pm

1079
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Speaker 21: news for TV and Z is how the night starts.

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Speaker 21: It's it both in and of itself, and in terms of

1081
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Speaker 21: the revenue it unlocks for the rest of the evening

1082
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Speaker 21: is absolutely critical infrastructure, probably the single most important program

1083
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Speaker 21: in New Zealand media from a total revenue perspective, So

1084
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Speaker 21: you just don't want to scare the horses.

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Speaker 4: How many of viewers are left over at TV three.

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Speaker 21: I think there's The numbers for three News are typically

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00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 21: around one hundred and sixty thousand, which isn't not bad.

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00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 21: It's still still a decent chunk of people. But TV

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00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 21: and z's news product is off and over six hundred thousand,

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00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 21: and you know, if all they want to do is

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Speaker 21: keep that number as high as possible for as long

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Speaker 21: as possible while they sort of try and figure out digital.

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Speaker 4: Is it true that if you add together the viewers

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00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 4: who watch it, you know, on teley, versus the viewers

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00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 4: who watch it online, you end up with a number

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Speaker 4: over a million.

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Speaker 21: I mean, I think that there's some sort of creative

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00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 21: accounting involved in that. If you look at this sort

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00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 21: of average viewership, that's not quite true. But if it's

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00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 21: the title people who watch some of it across platforms,

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00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 21: it might well be. I'll probably have someone from TV

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00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 21: and Z Coms on the phone to me after this.

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00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 21: But I think it all depends on how you count it.

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00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 4: What do you think Because they've got, they've obviously got

1105
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 4: you can watch it on Telly, then you can watch

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00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 4: it on TV and Z Plus. Do you think they're

1107
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 4: also adding what you watch on one news, dot co

1108
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 4: dot nz? Is that also being added in?

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00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 20: Potentially?

1110
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 21: But I think it's more just did you watch some

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00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 21: of the news, not all of the news. Did you

1112
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 21: catch a segment of the news even on TV and

1113
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 21: Z Plus, then you're a viewer potentially.

1114
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 4: Yeah. But I mean if you're going on to TV

1115
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 4: and Z plus and actually tapping the news, then you

1116
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 4: genuinely are review aren't you, like you're hunting something out?

1117
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 21: Yeah, But they also have it broken down into segment,

1118
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 21: so you might just watch one three minute segment as

1119
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 21: a sixty minute comet.

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Speaker 4: Duncan that makes a lot of sense because I thought

1121
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 4: a million people sitting down to watch the news is

1122
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 4: absolute bollocks, and it is as bollocks. No, not that

1123
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 4: many people are.

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00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 21: Watching the news, No, I mean even six hundred thousand

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00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 21: is a pretty extraordinary number as a percentage of our population.

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00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 21: You know, there aren't many news products in around the

1127
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 21: world which have that kind of present penetration. Sorry, so

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00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 21: they're doing well, that's why they want, you know, Melissa

1129
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 21: Stokes very good news reader. But you know, you could

1130
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 21: have got creative, You could have gone and promoted someone

1131
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 21: from outside of the stable or from the different platforms.

1132
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 4: That would have been the baller move wouldn't move.

1133
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 21: We are pretty aggressive aggressive one. But I'm sure that

1134
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 21: they would have done a good sort of robust test

1135
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 21: and run some kind of you know, focus grouping with viewers.

1136
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 21: But I think they like their candidate. And Melissa's such

1137
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 21: a familiar face, you know, because she does weekends, because

1138
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 21: she does filling in Sundays, you know, is my understanding

1139
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 21: is the most view bulletin of the week anyway, So

1140
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 21: you kind of you just want to keep the thing high.

1141
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I suppose that's true. Duncan always always enjoy chatting

1142
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 4: to you. Thank you so much. Duncan Grief, co founder

1143
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 4: of the Spinoff or Spinoff founder actually a media commentator.

1144
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 4: Twenty away from six Should I just make the noise

1145
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 4: with my mouth? Ants today?

1146
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 2: Heather do for Ellen?

1147
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 3: Heather de c Ellen the huddle.

1148
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 4: And with me now is Thomas Scrimger Maximum Institute and

1149
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 4: Joseph Gani, CEO of Child Found How are you too,

1150
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 4: who I'm gonna have to get it. We're having a

1151
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 4: mareor of it with the computer system today, so one

1152
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 4: of you. If this thing doesn't work next time, I

1153
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 4: designate you Josie as having to do it. Josie, Yeah,

1154
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 4: that's fantastic. There is absolute fury coming at me, Josie

1155
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 4: on the text machine over the unpaid unpaid work interview?

1156
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 4: Did you hear that interview?

1157
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 22: I did, and I would like to plead my nolling toto.

1158
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 22: I'll talk from my truth, yes, not my husband's truth,

1159
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 22: and I can't comment on specifics. I have signed an

1160
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 22: MDA with him and there has been no formal investigation.

1161
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 4: You are doing the lion's share of the work, and

1162
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 4: ain't nobody paying for you?

1163
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 3: Yes?

1164
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 22: I am, and sing as my husband's out of the country,

1165
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 22: I'm just going to throw all that away that when

1166
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 22: our kids were small, I did do most of the

1167
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 22: washing and he's never acknowledged it. He never acknowledges it.

1168
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,479
Speaker 22: And I did do most of the cleaning, even though

1169
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 22: when I was working we had a cleaner. But look

1170
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 22: the one tip I would give woman with this is

1171
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 22: get your husband to do the cleaning when you've had

1172
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 22: an argument, not after the argument, when you're making up,

1173
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 22: but when you've had an argument, because then I used

1174
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 22: to find that my husband would he'd be desperate to

1175
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 22: prove that he was a really good cleaner, and he

1176
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 22: polished that bloody bathroom with the top.

1177
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Speaker 4: So you get so bring clean done.

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00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 22: Yeah, if you've had an argument, you've got to do

1179
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 22: it during the argument, not after.

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00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, after that, don't care anymore, Thomas, Are you in

1181
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 4: a relationship with a woman? I hear that, Yeah, who

1182
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 4: does the majority of everything in the house.

1183
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 20: Oh well, I might have to bleed the fifth on

1184
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 20: that way as well.

1185
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 23: But I think it is an interesting thing with these

1186
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 23: measures of domestic labor because they are kind of a

1187
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 23: two edged sword, and that it's a really good thing

1188
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 23: that you can measure. It kind of makes visible things

1189
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 23: that are often invisible and underacknowledged. But it also reducing

1190
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 23: it to a dollar value is the economists like to do.

1191
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 23: It can be a bit reductive. I mean, it might

1192
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 23: actually have some use when talking about the cleaning, which

1193
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 23: is perhaps no one's passion in life, but perhaps very

1194
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 23: few mothers would consider time with their children purely in

1195
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 23: dollar terms. So my observation would be is that these

1196
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 23: sort of measures get a lot of cachet with policymakers

1197
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 23: who really want to explain to people how they ought

1198
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 23: to organize their lives, rather than recognizing the choices people make.

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Speaker 22: Are you're going to my kids for the time spent

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00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 22: with them?

1201
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1202
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 18: Because some of it was really boring.

1203
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, Thomas, are you suggesting that women love spending time

1204
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 4: with their children so much that they want to spend

1205
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 4: every waking minute with their children and never go away

1206
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 4: to Oasis and Melbourne and dudes. But dudes don't have

1207
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 4: that kind of passion, which is why they love to

1208
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 4: go play golf at the weekends.

1209
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 23: I wouldn't go that for Heather, but very careful time.

1210
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 4: There are some angry, hormonal women here. We're just looking

1211
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 4: for an excuse to pick a fight in a pus

1212
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 4: right now.

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00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 23: Yeah, I'd say, you do a lot of work in

1214
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 23: your home that people couldn't pay you what cares are

1215
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 23: paid to do?

1216
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 20: You do what?

1217
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 4: We rephrase that, Thomas and say, hither you do all

1218
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 4: the work in your home, thank you.

1219
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 20: And no one could pay you enough to do it.

1220
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 20: It's only a labor of love.

1221
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 4: Said like a true man. Okay, listen, let's take a

1222
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 4: break because I've got to read some of it, some

1223
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 4: of these texts out and we'll take a break. We'll

1224
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 4: come back talk about Dame Knowles. Heither, I'm a woman.

1225
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 4: I work in a job, family at home, all the

1226
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 4: normal chores on top of what we do. We live

1227
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 4: on a lifestyle property. The interview with the professor was

1228
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 4: a load of bs. Heither, that's bs. I'm a male

1229
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 4: and a better cleaner than my wife, who is a

1230
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 4: mess constantly. Hither. What about the men cutting the lawns

1231
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 4: and decking? What a dumb survey. I know many men cook. OMG,

1232
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 4: please stop this crap. I'm a woman and it carries

1233
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 4: on sixteen away from six the huddle.

1234
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your one of

1235
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: a kind.

1236
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 4: Right, You're back on the huddle. It's thirteen away from six.

1237
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 4: I've got Thomas and Josie Thomas. How is it possible

1238
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 4: that the Netball New Zealand Dame Noles crisis has actually

1239
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 4: got worse today?

1240
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 20: And it's remarkable.

1241
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 23: It seems the whole process has been a disaster from

1242
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 23: the start, but you're right, it's gotten worse. Dame noling

1243
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 23: totoa has come out pretty forthrightly for someone who's just

1244
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 23: back in the job. But I guess my observation to

1245
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 23: Netburn New Zealand would be that when you suspend someone

1246
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 23: with dame.

1247
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 20: In their title, you better be sure everything is above board.

1248
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 20: You're not. You know, this isn't junior coach stuff.

1249
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 23: She's already got her dame hood and you're picking a

1250
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 23: fight with her. I just want to say I was

1251
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,439
Speaker 23: really impressed Dave noling Toto did come out and say

1252
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 23: that she didn't want to go legal or take the

1253
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 23: legal route with Netblen New Zealand because she was concerned

1254
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 23: that it was both taxpayers money and money that would

1255
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 23: ultimately otherwise go to grassroots netball. So she clearly has

1256
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 23: this of I guess do you other parties involved? It's

1257
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 23: not just personal for her. But if she is vindicated,

1258
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 23: if what they're saying is we don't have any explanation

1259
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 23: for why she should have been suspended, I don't see

1260
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 23: where the CEO and the board go from here. They

1261
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 23: seem to be in hot water.

1262
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 4: Right, I mean, like, honestly, Josie, how do you stand

1263
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 4: a woman down without telling her what she's being stood

1264
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 4: down for.

1265
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 22: So anyone who's been through this as an employer or

1266
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 22: an employee knows that for a start, let's start right

1267
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 22: at the end. When you've got an agreement, you agree

1268
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 22: talking lines, media message, what you're going to say, you

1269
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 22: make sure that you're saying the same thing. You know,

1270
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 22: you do some media training around it as well. It

1271
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 22: felt like she came out and basically said, very openly,

1272
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 22: there was no investigation. I still don't know why I

1273
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 22: was stood down. I'm just happy to be back and

1274
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 22: it was horrible. But that's an incompetence that's put out.

1275
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 4: A statement to clarify that that is exactly what she

1276
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 4: was saying, because what the statement now says, this is

1277
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 4: a statement that came out about now ago. The statement

1278
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 4: says they could not give her specifics because it would

1279
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 4: compromise the anonymity of the individual players. So there were

1280
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 4: no specific.

1281
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 22: It's mental and so you can't do that right even

1282
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 22: if you use the whistleblower legislation, which exists. And I've

1283
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 22: been through processes like that as an employer where somebody's

1284
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 22: done a whistleblowing process. They don't want their identity known,

1285
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 22: but they want to complain about someone or something in

1286
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 22: the organization. But even then, when you go through a process,

1287
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 22: you still have to give specific examples. So you can't

1288
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 22: just go, for example, Noline, you were rude to your players.

1289
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 22: You have to go you were rude because you said

1290
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 22: blah blah blah and you did blah blah blah. So

1291
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 22: you don't have to name the person. You do have

1292
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 22: to give specific examples, and then you have a right

1293
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 22: to defend yourself. And then you come to an agreement

1294
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 22: whereby either you're going to move the person on, you're

1295
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 22: going to negotiate that, even with a press release, even

1296
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 22: with talking points about who says what. But in this case,

1297
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 22: she's staying and they still haven't done that work when negotiated,

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Speaker 22: who is saying what? What's what's our line on this?

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Speaker 22: That's legitimate. So it's just been an absolute cluster from

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Speaker 22: beginning to end.

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Speaker 4: Totally, Yeah, totally, I think you're on Thomas, You're on

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Speaker 4: the money. I agree with you. I think that the

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Speaker 4: chair of the board has got to go in the

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Speaker 4: CEO as well. Now, what did you make Thomas of

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Speaker 4: z Energy get in trouble, getting in trouble for that greenwashing.

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Speaker 23: I mean, my first thought was that petrol company should

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Speaker 23: probably stop feeling embarrassed about selling petrol.

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Speaker 20: It's a good thing.

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Speaker 23: You know, we might hope to move away from a

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Speaker 23: world where we need to burn fossil fuels, but until

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Speaker 23: the day we do so, it's a good and honorable

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Speaker 23: profession to do it. And they should just be proud

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Speaker 23: of the service they provide. They kind of wanted to

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Speaker 23: pretend to be something they weren't. They were almost embarrassed

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Speaker 23: about their profession. And yeah, they should probably get a

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Speaker 23: slap on the risk for that. Ad They were not

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Speaker 23: getting out of the business of selling petrol, but we

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Speaker 23: all need it. They should just embrace their identity and

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Speaker 23: say it's a great thing.

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Speaker 4: Well said, I agree with him, Josie, what about you?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, And it's it's been the petrol companies and airlines

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Speaker 22: in other words, you know, organizations and sectors that use

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Speaker 22: a hell of a lot of petrol and oil and

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Speaker 22: diesel and whatever who keep doing this kind of green

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Speaker 22: washing stuff. And what you're finding globally is that there's

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Speaker 22: corporate's moving away from this because people have gone, Hold

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Speaker 22: on a minute, A that's ridiculous, just as you said, Thomas,

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Speaker 22: but also the whole ESG movements that was environment social governance.

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Speaker 22: You know, Oh, we're a good ESG corporate as we

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Speaker 22: do good things in the environment, we look after people's

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Speaker 22: social and governors. Well, the thing is they all piled

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Speaker 22: into the climate stuff because it's pretty easy for them.

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Speaker 22: It doesn't actually affect their bottom line at all. What

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Speaker 22: they didn't do was pile into the S bit of that,

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Speaker 22: which is the social bit ie and we're going to

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Speaker 22: increase wages and share our wealth with our workers. No,

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Speaker 22: they didn't do that because that's going to cost them money.

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Speaker 22: So I think it's just the general sense of cynicism

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Speaker 22: that people have for this kind of stuff, where they're going, guys,

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Speaker 22: you're just bullshitting us. You know you're doing ESG is

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Speaker 22: yesterday's business, right, What is the new ESG? That's really

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Speaker 22: interesting because working for a charity, if we say, as

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Speaker 22: I do, if we say we're doing good in Solomon

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Speaker 22: Islands and we're bringing clean water, blah blah blah, we

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Speaker 22: have to prove it, right, We have to show it,

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Speaker 22: prove it with data, with evidence, corporates when they say

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Speaker 22: we're doing wonderful things for the climate, they don't have

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Speaker 22: to prove it. They don't have to do an audit

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Speaker 22: on whether they're doing it. So what you're finding that

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Speaker 22: corporates are doing now is that they're moving away from

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Speaker 22: ESG and they're looking at, say, charities that do something

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Speaker 22: that aligns with what they do, and they go, well,

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Speaker 22: we're actually going to fund these guys to do it

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Speaker 22: because they know what they're doing and they have to

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Speaker 22: report on it, and we're going to stop pretending we're

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Speaker 22: a charity.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, guys, thank you, appreciate it so much. Pare of you.

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Speaker 4: That's Thomas Springer and Joseph Guanny our heart all this evening.

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Speaker 4: The new is ESG. The point I'm trying to make

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Speaker 4: is it's all over the wokie stuff. The new ESG

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Speaker 4: is energy security and geostrategy. That's all people care about now.

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Speaker 4: Seven away from six, it's.

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Speaker 20: Here.

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Speaker 4: By the way, how refreshing was the police spokesperson Netborn

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Speaker 4: New Zealand could learn so much from their lack of

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Speaker 4: transparency and corporate speak. Do you know what can I

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Speaker 4: just actually bang on Jill Rogers? Is that's the one

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Speaker 4: you're thinking about now? I think it was Jill beating.

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Speaker 4: Was Jill involved in the early stages of the once

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Speaker 4: they shot Tom Phillips. Yeah, Jill came over as she

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Speaker 4: handled the Tom Phillips death at the start, remember and everything.

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Speaker 4: It was just smoothly handled like she had nothing to

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Speaker 4: do with that. But she had to step in because

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Speaker 4: the police commissioner was overseas at the time and he

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Speaker 4: had to fly back from Australia. Remember he was at

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Speaker 4: the funeral. Jill just doesn't miss a beat. She is awesome.

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Speaker 4: She answers the question straight. You feel like you're not

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Speaker 4: getting the run around from her. I feel like everybody

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Speaker 4: could learn a little bit from Jill, just answering the questions.

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Speaker 4: What about the electric bus fire? We'll talk about that

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Speaker 4: later on. What about the electric bus fire? Now? Just

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Speaker 4: sunder it's four away from six now. I was bummed

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Speaker 4: out on Friday because I and here on Fridays in

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Speaker 4: Melbourne and I was bummed out that I wasn't here

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Speaker 4: to talk about the Telegraph article about Jasinda. Now, if

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Speaker 4: you haven't caught up on this. The Telegraph on Friday,

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Speaker 4: did A did an opinion piece entitled we Can't get

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Speaker 4: rid of Jasinda Ardern and says that Josinda's likely to

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Speaker 4: be a shoe in as the next United Nations Secretary General.

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Speaker 4: Now I've thought about this and I'm here for that.

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Speaker 4: I think Justinda needs to get this job. And I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna give you two reasons why. These are my primary

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Speaker 4: I've got many reasons, but these are my two top

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Speaker 4: reasons why Justinda needs to get the job. The first is,

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Speaker 4: I don't know about you, but I quietly see when

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Speaker 4: foreigners say things like, oh, you were so lucky that

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Speaker 4: Justinda I've done with oo great. I'm like, oh my gosh. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: So I feel like all of these people who loved it,

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Speaker 4: you know, and I experienced that sometimes I think Boris

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Speaker 4: Johnson's funny. I didn't have to live under Boris Johnson, right,

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Speaker 4: that was not funny if you were living under Boris Johnson.

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Speaker 4: So I feel like five years of Jasinda running the

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Speaker 4: world as the un sect Gen, some of these people

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Speaker 4: may just shut up telling us how awesome she is.

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Speaker 4: Au they would get to see it front on wouldn't they.

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Speaker 4: Number two, I don't love the UN at all, and

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Speaker 4: I'm looking for any reason to just show people how

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Speaker 4: vacuous and pointless the UN is and potentially how corrupt,

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Speaker 4: but definitely how much of a waste of money. And

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Speaker 4: I feel like the UN would think it would be

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Speaker 4: quite a coup getting just Sender involved. But she's pretty polarizing,

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Speaker 4: and so I feel like if they put her in

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Speaker 4: there as the boss, it would really vement opinion against

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Speaker 4: the UN. So I'm like, get her in there, guys,

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Speaker 4: get her in there. Let's show people how stupid you

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Speaker 4: really are. Can only be a good thing. Don't don't,

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Speaker 4: don't hate it, be here for it. Plus also another key,

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Speaker 4: we're doing well, that's a good thing. Nikola willis.

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Speaker 1: Next, we're Business meets Insight Love a business hour. We've

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Speaker 1: hit the duplessy Ellen and mas for insurance investments and

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Speaker 1: KWI Safer.

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Speaker 2: You're in good airs. News talk said be.

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Speaker 4: Even in coming up in the hour, if you want

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Speaker 4: to understand why Donald Trump is doing all those rare

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Speaker 4: earth mineral deals around the world, We're going to get

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Speaker 4: an explanation from an economist after the half past news

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Speaker 4: Shane Soley's going to talk us through West pax Profit

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Speaker 4: and Gavin Gray is with us out of the UK

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Speaker 4: shortly at seven PAS six and with us now as

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Speaker 4: Nikola Willis the Finance Minister. Nicola Hello, Hello Heather.

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Speaker 12: How was Oasis? Well?

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Speaker 4: Thank you, it was great. However do you remember the

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Speaker 4: mid nineties? Wasn't that a good time?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 12: I was very young, so yeah, that was a great time.

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Speaker 4: It was a good time though, and yeah, anyway, so

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Speaker 4: it was here's the thing, right, it was busy in Melbourne,

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Speaker 4: very very busy. And I know you said the weekend

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Speaker 4: in Sydney. Was it as busy with you?

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Speaker 12: It was? It was very busy. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So does this mean that you've come back and thought,

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Speaker 4: m maybe that bead tax for Auckland is a good idea.

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Speaker 12: It's made me come back and think what a wise

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Speaker 12: government we were to make that decision to put a

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Speaker 12: significant investment into promotional events for the country to keep

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Speaker 12: the economy going.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, no, I don't hate that. What have we

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Speaker 4: got from it? What have we announced?

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Speaker 12: Well, there will be announcements over the coming months. Louise

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Speaker 12: Upston is negotiations and there'll be some exciting events coming

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Speaker 12: to a city near you.

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Speaker 4: Isn't Louise trying to get us events? Yes, yes, she's

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Speaker 4: so agotiating with musicians.

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Speaker 12: Well she has a team of course, who do that

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Speaker 12: on her behalf. But Kebnet voted her specific funds to

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Speaker 12: go out and finds that will bring me.

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Speaker 4: I know you're into the country. You're talking about the

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Speaker 4: big sporting thing wink wink, nudge nudge that has to

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Speaker 4: be announced.

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Speaker 12: Yes, well we're expecting more than one event will come.

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Speaker 4: Out, but you know the one I'm talking about. When's

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Speaker 4: that one being announced?

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Speaker 12: Well, I know the one that you're referring to, and

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Speaker 12: I understand discussions are ongoing.

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Speaker 4: But no, discussions aren't ongoing. It's been sewn up. So

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Speaker 4: when is it being announced?

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Speaker 12: Well, I will leave it to Louise Upston to do

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Speaker 12: the honors on the announcement of big exciting events that

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Speaker 12: are going to bring to the country and give New

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Speaker 12: Zealand as something very fun to look forward to in

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Speaker 12: the weekends.

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Speaker 4: Here's the problem though, and I like the thing is

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Speaker 4: these guys over in Australia, their economy is pumping, their

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Speaker 4: events are pumping. Now how long do we have to

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Speaker 4: wait in order for us to be even catching up

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Speaker 4: to that.

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Speaker 12: Well, look, their inflation rates actually adot harvan ours at

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Speaker 12: the moment. Their unemployment is not where they want it

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Speaker 12: to be either. They are in deficit and forecasting a

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Speaker 12: decaded deficit. So you know, the grass isn't always greener

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Speaker 12: in every respect. It is true that the Australians have

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Speaker 12: a larger economy, a more wealthy economy, and I've always

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Speaker 12: been very upfront I want New Zealand to be a

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Speaker 12: wealthier economy too. That's why we've got to say yes.

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Speaker 4: The events here. How long before we can actually start

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Speaker 4: putting going? Yes tax, this is an event that the

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Speaker 4: government got for us.

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Speaker 12: You will expect announcements before Christmas, and you will expect

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Speaker 12: a series of events next year.

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Speaker 4: Okay, and are you are you possibly open to the

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Speaker 4: bed tax after the election.

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Speaker 12: What we're very open to is the need for both

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Speaker 12: central government and local councils to be doing their bit

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Speaker 12: to promote events that stimulate economic activity. Now, a number

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Speaker 12: of councils around the country make room to do that

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Speaker 12: because they realize it's good for their local people and

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Speaker 12: their local businesses. Auckland have made a point of not

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Speaker 12: wanting to do that, But Auckland still have choices. There's

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Speaker 12: nothing to stop Auckland Council choosing to invest in promoting

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Speaker 12: events that would promote growth in the Yukland economy.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but then I have to pay for it as

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Speaker 4: a rate payer, whereas a bid tax means the tourist

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Speaker 4: has to pay for it. It's a smart idea. Anyway, Listen,

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Speaker 4: you've spoken to Andrew Bailey since Thursday?

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Speaker 12: I haven't, although I've just seen him at an event

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Speaker 12: and said hello, was it awkward? No, it was fine.

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Speaker 12: He's my colleague.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the love in your voice has evaporated, Nikola.

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01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,719
Speaker 12: Oh no, Look, I've always had a lot of time

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01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 12: for Andrew, Who's someone I've worked closely with through my career.

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01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 12: And look, I feel for anyone who goes from being

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01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 12: a minister to being a backbenter, and I recognize that

1515
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 12: for him, he's had a hard year.

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01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 4: Okay, do you support him clearing his name?

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01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 12: Well, Ultimately, every minister, and believe you me, it's top

1518
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 12: of mind for us. All serves at the pleasure of

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01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 12: the Prime Minister, and so it is always for the

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01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 12: Prime Minister to choose whether or not you've met the

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01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,799
Speaker 12: requirements of your warrant and whether or not you'd continue

1522
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 12: to deserve the role that you're in. And in the

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01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 12: case of Andrew Bailey, he offered his resignation, the Prime

1524
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 12: Minister accepted it. He has subsequently made clear that without

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01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 12: that resignation, he would have asked for it, And since

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01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:39,879
Speaker 12: then Andrew has wanted to communicate his side of that story.

1527
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 12: That's for him to do. But ultimately whether or not

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01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 12: he's a minister is a call for the Prime minister,

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01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 12: and the Prime Minister's sticking to his guns.

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01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,759
Speaker 4: Well that's not a yes. So is there any chance

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01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 4: that he might come back as a minister?

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01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 12: Well that would be a question for the Prime Minister

1533
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 12: and not for me.

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01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 4: Okay, how do you feel about that thirteen percent increase

1535
01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 4: in Westpax profit?

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01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 12: Well, look, as you know, I'd like to see more

1537
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 12: competition in the New Zealand banking sector because there is

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01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 12: evidence that suggests that banks here get a greater return

1539
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 12: on equity than banks and other parts of the world,

1540
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 12: and partly that's because they don't face as much competitive pressure. Now,

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01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 12: I'm not going to go after the profitability of any

1542
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 12: individual business. That's against my philosophy. What I am going

1543
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 12: to do and have been doing, setting the conditions in

1544
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 12: which greater competition can occur. So, whether that's raising capital

1545
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 12: for Kiwi Bank, opening up access to the exchange settlement

1546
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 12: system that used to be primarily for the banks, ensuring

1547
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 12: that other individuals can use the word bank, making sure

1548
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 12: that we have open banking underway, the capital adequacy review,

1549
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 12: that the reserve banks doing their host to regulation and

1550
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 12: these are all the things the Commission said. But do

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01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 12: that stuff?

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01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 4: Isn't a more extent of it? There's no big crackdown coming?

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01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 12: Well, this is an area where you could pretend there's

1554
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 12: a silver bullet, but you'd be hoodwinking people. Actually, it's

1555
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 12: poll regulatory measures done well and we have taken every

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01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 12: recommendation the Commerce Commission made when they looked into this

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01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 12: in huge detail, and we're progressing.

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01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 4: What about all because you've talked about the ComCom but

1559
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 4: what about the Select Committee Parliament Select Committee? Have you

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01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 4: responded to their findings yet?

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Speaker 12: So they have reported to us and Cabinet will be

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01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 12: giving consideration to our response and you'll expect that response

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01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 12: from us very shortly.

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01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 4: And should I expect anything big? Or is this just

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01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:27,919
Speaker 4: kind of a better.

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01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 12: Well, I think when you look at the when when

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01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 12: you look at the Select Committee's recommendations, a lot of

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01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 12: it is stuff that actually the government has picked up already,

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01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 12: and others of their suggestions were about progressing that work

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01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,679
Speaker 12: with more pace or more specificity. So there was nothing

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01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 12: in there that shocked me. It was all good stuff.

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01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 4: Pretty much. Okay, best thing you did in Sydney over

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01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 4: the weekend.

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01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 12: Just hanging out with girlfriends that I've known since I

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01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 12: was seventeen. Nice and realizing that we're all a bit

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01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 12: older and so we don't look near necessarily is great.

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01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 12: But it's so much better to be in your forties

1578
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 12: than your twenties. Wither. Yeah, we're just so much wiser.

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01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 4: Nobody in Nobody in your group got drunken through up.

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01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 12: A No, in fact, one of us doesn't drink at

1581
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 12: all now, and we're all so much sort of more

1582
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 12: relaxed and have you about that. We all wanted to

1583
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 12: get up early to go on a long walk. It

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01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 12: was lovely, very awesome.

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01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 4: Nichola, Thank you, Nichola Willis Finance Minister. Nobody in my

1586
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 4: group of girls got drunken through up Either one of

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01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 4: us doesn't drink. The other two drink and I'm one

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01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 4: of the other two. We drink a bit, but really

1589
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 4: not a lot. That's just growing up. And isn't that great?

1590
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 4: Its great, isn't it. I Mean it sounds really dull,

1591
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 4: but it's not dull when you're there. And let me

1592
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 4: tell you six hours by the pool on Saturday. Jeez,

1593
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 4: that blew the cobwebs out. Eh, you were back, your

1594
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 4: cup was full, you could handle the children after that.

1595
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 4: The sporting event that I was when when Nudge Nudge

1596
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 4: can't tell you about I've been told about, Wait for

1597
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 4: this to be announced. You'll love it. We remember when

1598
01:14:57,880 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 4: Louise Eupston was on the show and we talked about

1599
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 4: this money and I said tell me something and she

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01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 4: was like, oh, Rugby Lake, Rugby Lake, remember that. Just

1601
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 4: remember that. That's what that announcement is going to be.

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01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 4: Quarter past six.

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01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper see Allan Drive Full Show podcast

1604
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by newstalg Zebbie.

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01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 4: Heather. If you're talking about the state of origin at

1606
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 4: Eden Park, it's now secret. Was in the Aussie papers

1607
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 4: weeks ago. Bumma, That's exactly what I.

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01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:22,719
Speaker 14: Was talking about.

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01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 4: Thank you, Jeremy. Yeah, here I can see it. New

1610
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 4: Zealand will finally host a State of Origin game in

1611
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 4: twenty twenty seven. An Australian media outlet has reported, so

1612
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 4: that you go find out about well you could. Now

1613
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 4: you know about it, and now you can wait for

1614
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 4: the official announcement of that. Eighteen past six, Shane Soly

1615
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 4: harbor Asset Managements with us. Hello Shane, he are you that? Okay?

1616
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 4: How much can we read into those improved building permit

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01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:44,759
Speaker 4: stats that came out today?

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01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 16: Yes, and we saw a bit of a continued bounce

1619
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 16: off I low based residential building concents up to seven

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01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 16: point two percent over the last month. It's been an expiguit,

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01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 16: Heather and redics. We're getting two months in a row.

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01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 16: The data for last month was actually revised up from

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01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:03,680
Speaker 16: five point eight six point one, so in stronger You know,

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01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 16: the only sort of cadd here is that data can

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01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 16: be quite violatile. So while it's too stronger months, it's

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01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 16: really sort of a tentative evidence that there's residential investment

1627
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 16: markets turning higher. So good, but we've got a bit

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01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 16: more to go.

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01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 4: Now, what did the market make of west Pax profit?

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01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 16: Well, it was actually a good result. It was better

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01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 16: than expected, but the main reason for it was they

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01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:28,600
Speaker 16: had lower bad debt bad debt charges so particularly the

1633
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,799
Speaker 16: stronger Australian economy means that baddened out for debt payments.

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01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 16: This is when banks provision for people not paying back

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01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 16: their debt, and they were lower than expecting. Fact im

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01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 16: payments are really low. They've gone from six basis points

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01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 16: to four basis points. It doesn't sound like a lot,

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01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 16: but it's huge in banking terms.

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01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 18: One of the interesting.

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Speaker 16: Standouts here there was the Westpac Museum profit result, but

1641
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 16: of a ripper driven by net interest margin expansion. We

1642
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 16: actually saw with the west PACs year price up three

1643
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 16: percent to its highest ever price in Australia to thirty

1644
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 16: nine dollars nineteen Australia. A big day for West Back.

1645
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 4: Now we've got the new Chinese economic data out as

1646
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 4: well today. Are there any implications there for New Zealand.

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01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 16: Yeah, it was a bit, makes a bit more slippage

1648
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 16: from it's still positive, but it's nothing that's going to

1649
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,719
Speaker 16: I don't think it's going to really cause major recis

1650
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 16: for New Zealand economy. But we continue to see the

1651
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,879
Speaker 16: ratings dog data. That's what it's called seeing the Chinese

1652
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 16: factory activity expanding less than expected, so the purchasing manager

1653
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 16: and this is a forward looking index, it says what

1654
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 16: people think they're going to do.

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01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 24: Slip from.

1656
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 16: Fifty one point two in September to fifty point six,

1657
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 16: so still positive. It's above fifty seth expansion exports, that's

1658
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:44,440
Speaker 16: the issue either that people wear about this trade uncertainty

1659
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 16: so that doal back their export expectations, but they are

1660
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,640
Speaker 16: adding jobs. So that's a bit of a conundrum and

1661
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 16: that one side squeaker on the other sides up. So

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01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 16: jobs has been a slow point for the Chinese economy.

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01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 16: Fastest growth in two years in the slatest data, so

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01:17:58,320 --> 01:17:59,520
Speaker 16: that's a bit of a change.

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01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 4: What are we expecting from the unemployment data that's out

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01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 4: on Wednesday.

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01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 16: Yeah, really big one from the New Zeale market, the

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01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 16: market is expecting potential for ongoing weakness. We have seen

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01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 16: films not adding to the growth of like there's a

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01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 16: chance the New zeal unemployment rate could tick up to

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01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 16: a nine year high sort of above five five point

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01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 16: three is what the pundits are picking, which is a

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01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 16: very interesting number and things that it's more than five

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01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 16: less than five and a half, so five point three

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01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 16: and if we get to that then that really gives

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01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 16: us a bit more support for another cut by the

1677
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,719
Speaker 16: Rezero Bank and is on another twenty five basis points

1678
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 16: to two point two, but the market's always introducing.

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01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 2: That could be it for the cycle.

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01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 16: So one last cut on the back of weaker employment data.

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01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 4: Brilliant. Hey, thank you very much for talking us through

1682
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 4: that show. And that's Shane Solly Harbor Asset Management. Also,

1683
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 4: just on the green shoots that were coming through in

1684
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 4: the improved building permit. Green shoots are being reported by

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01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 4: freight Ways SkyCity Port of toadung A jb HI five.

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01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 4: So it does look like we may have finally turned

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01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 4: the corner that we've been looking to turn for such

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01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 4: a long time. It's coming up six twenty two.

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01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 2: Croaching the numbers and getting the results.

1690
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,759
Speaker 1: It's Heather due for see Ellen with the Business Hour

1691
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 1: and Mass for insurance Investments can Quie Safer.

1692
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 2: You're in good hands well the news talk said be

1693
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 2: I am.

1694
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 4: I'm happy to say that that my theory about why

1695
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,679
Speaker 4: Jinda should be the UN Secretary General has actually gone

1696
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 4: down well, Heather, as much as it would pain to

1697
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 4: see me here to see for me to see her

1698
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 4: more regularly. You make some very valid points. The suffering

1699
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 4: might just be worth the ultimate reward. Heather, Where can

1700
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 4: I send an award your opinion on the un CO

1701
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 4: lab with Jinda's spot on? Heither Jasinda as the Secretary

1702
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 4: General of the un as the best idea you've had

1703
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 4: all year? Go you eger see not a crappy to

1704
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 4: the person who no, nevermind to the person who sent

1705
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 4: me that nasty text before? What about that that was got?

1706
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 4: The person sent me? It's actually quite a good text.

1707
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 4: I've got to read it to you here. The who

1708
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 4: was it who wrote she opened her mouth and let

1709
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 4: the wind blow her tongue about. I'm sure they must

1710
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 4: know you. Thank you, trev absolute Champ. Hey the electric buss.

1711
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 4: Can we just talk about the Select bus that caught

1712
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 4: fire yesterday on Auckland's north shore. So if you haven't

1713
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 4: seen it, it's an electric bus. I don't know how.

1714
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 4: I don't I never really understand how drivers misjudge this.

1715
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 4: But it went under and overpass obviously, and it hit

1716
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 4: the overpass. It's on the Northern Bus Way. I'd quite

1717
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 4: did they pump the tires up more than normal what

1718
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 4: happened there? Because normally you'd think that you'd be quite

1719
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 4: clear the bus can go under that or it can't,

1720
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 4: and therefore you wouldn't drive it on that particular route.

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01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 4: But anyway, they drove it on the route, hit the top, bus,

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Speaker 4: caught fire, lots of fire coming out of the tunnel.

1723
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 4: What did we learn from the bus crash? The electric

1724
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 4: bus crash on Tarmiqui drive the other day. Batteries are

1725
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 4: in the roof, battery packs are in the roof, so

1726
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 4: maybe I don't know, maybe that's why the fire happened.

1727
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm not on an electric bus specialist,

1728
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 4: but it seems to be like there may be a

1729
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 4: thing very cool at the moment, a like I'm not

1730
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 4: causing any troubles on our road or anything. Six twenty six.

1731
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 2: There's no business like show business.

1732
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 4: So the Peruvian marmalade and there has done it all.

1733
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 4: He's appeared first in nineteen fifty eight. He was created

1734
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 4: by author Michael Bond, and then he's been in countless

1735
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 4: kid shows and then DA had the film series and

1736
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 4: that was hugely successful. Paddington who was one of the

1737
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 4: best reviewed films of the decade. And now it's going

1738
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 4: to be coming to a theater, live theater. Paddington the

1739
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 4: Musical has just opened on the West End in London,

1740
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 4: and to bring the famous bear to life on stage,

1741
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:26,759
Speaker 4: it actually takes two performers. So you've got James Hamid,

1742
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 4: who voices Paddington, but then you've got Artie Sharp, who's

1743
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:33,639
Speaker 4: the physical performer. She's a puppeteer. She's got dwarfs them.

1744
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 4: She sits physically inside the Paddington puppet and she controls

1745
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 4: his arms and legs and blinking in his mouth movements,

1746
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 4: and when it all gets put together, it's really cute.

1747
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 23: It's exciting to not just be in like a secluded

1748
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 23: room but actually on the stage of the Savoy, which

1749
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 23: I think is such like the perfect place for Puddington.

1750
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you Paddington for everything that you've given me

1751
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 4: right now, because I never thought that I would be

1752
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 4: here doing this. Ever, that's obviously the one that sits

1753
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 4: inside him. The call was written and composed by Tom Fletcher,

1754
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,639
Speaker 4: who's one of the lead vocalists of McFly, and it's

1755
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 4: now on at the Savoy Theater in London. So there

1756
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,640
Speaker 4: you go. Right, let's talk about Trump's rare minerals and

1757
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:11,520
Speaker 4: earth steals.

1758
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:22,480
Speaker 9: Next, US talks b B A double dyn.

1759
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 1: I think where the is the macro micro for just

1760
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 1: playing economics. It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy,

1761
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 1: Allen and Mass for insurance investments and Hueye Safer, you're

1762
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: in good heads.

1763
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 2: US talks.

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01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 4: The Latest. It's saying I can't believe how many times

1765
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 4: I have the latest from Andrew, but I have the

1766
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 4: latest from Andrew. You know who I'm talking about. This

1767
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 4: is the Andrew that was formerly known as Prince. The

1768
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,799
Speaker 4: latest is that he sold a tour of Buckingham Palace

1769
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 4: to a bunch of businessmen for the equivalent of around

1770
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 4: three point two million New Zealand dollars, which likely to

1771
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 4: be honest, that's a lot of money. It's gone tour

1772
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 4: of a big house, right, But the reason it would

1773
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 4: have been so expensive is number one, you can't really

1774
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,839
Speaker 4: go on a tour of the private parts of Buckingham

1775
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 4: Pallace that I imagine he took people on, so therefore

1776
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 4: it is worth a lot of money. Also, the Queen

1777
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 4: was there at the time and big, big no no

1778
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 4: for multiple reasons, but mainly because you should not be

1779
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 4: making money off being a royal, So you can see

1780
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,759
Speaker 4: now why in the end Charles had to strip everything

1781
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 4: off him, because it's just like thing after thing after

1782
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 4: thing after thing after thing. When you just think like,

1783
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 4: surely that's all that Andrew has done. No, there's more.

1784
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 4: And by the way, the money had to be paid

1785
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 4: to Fergy probably goes some way to explaining how they

1786
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 4: financed their lifestyle, which has been a little bit of

1787
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,679
Speaker 4: a mystery up to now. Anyway, not end of Sorry,

1788
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 4: Gavin Gray is going to be with us out of

1789
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 4: the UK in about ten minutes time. It's twenty four

1790
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 4: away from seven rare earth. Minerals a bit of a

1791
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 4: talking point at the moment across the globe because Donald

1792
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 4: Trump is rushing deals with Japan and Australia and so on,

1793
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 4: and these are the elements that make up our modern tech,

1794
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 4: from evs to smartphones to military drones. And as a

1795
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 4: result of this, Australian mining stocks are soaring some over

1796
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:17,639
Speaker 4: four hundred percent, leaving economists asking is this a boom

1797
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 4: or a bubble now? Doctor Allen Trench is a mineral

1798
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 4: economist and a professor at the University of Western Australia.

1799
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 4: And with us allan halo.

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01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: Hello.

1801
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 4: Do we know any of the details of these deals?

1802
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 24: Not too much. It's just a framework at this stage.

1803
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:37,919
Speaker 24: I think the hard dollars are I think a billion

1804
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 24: US from Australia and from the US in the next

1805
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 24: six months. That's the sort of locked in component. And

1806
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 24: beyond that there's promises of I've heard numbers up to

1807
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 24: eight billion US, but we'll see a time we'll tell

1808
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 24: on that.

1809
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 4: But the point of these deals, presumably is to get

1810
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 4: the minerals out of the ground fast. Yeah, it is.

1811
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,599
Speaker 24: Yes, a lot of these projects have been around for decades.

1812
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 24: I was just looking at the share price history over

1813
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:10,879
Speaker 24: twenty years of one of the Rare Earth developers, and

1814
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 24: the last time Rare Earth peaked back in twenty eleven

1815
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 24: they were hoping to get into production then and fifteen

1816
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:18,679
Speaker 24: years later, here we go again.

1817
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 4: And so do you think I mean the point also

1818
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 4: is to get the stuff out of the ground quickly

1819
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 4: in order to cut China out, I would imagine. So

1820
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 4: does the sale of the Rare Earth minerals then have

1821
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 4: to be exclusive to exclusive to the US.

1822
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 24: To be honest, I don't know. In the framework, I

1823
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 24: would anticipate so from what we hear from Donald Trump,

1824
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 24: of course, but my comment would be that there's plenty

1825
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,559
Speaker 24: of rare earth. I'm sure you've heard the phrase before

1826
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 24: at rare earths are not actually that rare. So there

1827
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,879
Speaker 24: are lots and lots of deposits around the world, plenty

1828
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 24: of them in Australia. My personal perspective is there's plenty

1829
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 24: to go around.

1830
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 4: Okay, is there a chance that digging all the stuff

1831
01:25:57,160 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 4: out of the ground in a rush could actually drop

1832
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 4: the value of you know, could basically burst the bubble.

1833
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 24: Well, it's interesting, actually rare earth prices are actually pretty

1834
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 24: low at the moment, and that the West, as it were,

1835
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 24: would make the argument that China are purposely keeping the

1836
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,679
Speaker 24: prices low to stop these new projects from getting into production.

1837
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 24: So quite what we're hearing is that the sort of

1838
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 24: the Trump and other allies are willing to set things

1839
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 24: like floor prices above the current prevailing prices out of

1840
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 24: China to get these projects into production.

1841
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:32,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, how much what have you guys got on the

1842
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 4: ground in Australia.

1843
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 24: Lots and lots of projects, I think, and of course

1844
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 24: with the interest in rare earth, they're almost being discovered

1845
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 24: by the month quite frankly, so the sort of leaders.

1846
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:46,680
Speaker 24: We've got one producer, Linus Corporation, that's been producing for

1847
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 24: around a decade or so. Now a couple of larger projects,

1848
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 24: Arafura have just raised I think the number was seven

1849
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 24: hundred million dollars in equity on the back of the

1850
01:26:56,439 --> 01:27:00,879
Speaker 24: extra interest. The Luca Resources about a three billion dollar company,

1851
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 24: and Linus themselves have again raised around about that seven hundred.

1852
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 24: My apologies at Arafura was five hundred new raising. Lionus

1853
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 24: just raised about seven hundred. So the interest in the

1854
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 24: market is unlocking new equity into these projects.

1855
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 4: What do you reckon's the big strategic reason why Donald

1856
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 4: Trump so interested in it?

1857
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 24: I would say it's pretty much as you said in

1858
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 24: your introduction, really from a defense perspective. You need this

1859
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 24: for planes, you need it for ships, you need it

1860
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 24: for submarines, and all the guidance systems and all of

1861
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 24: the things that all of those three types of defense

1862
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 24: capabilities actually shoot out of themselves. So it's very much

1863
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 24: a defense player.

1864
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 4: I would say, is it is it for defense or

1865
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:46,680
Speaker 4: is it preparing for war? Do you think.

1866
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 24: That one's above my pay grade? I'm afraid so I've

1867
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 24: given that he's renamed the Department of Defense the Department

1868
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 24: of War, and you know, let's hope it's just posturing.

1869
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 4: Well, let's hope so Ellen is sacinating to talk to you.

1870
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:02,679
Speaker 4: Thank you very much for that. Doctor Allen Trench, mineral

1871
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 4: economist and a professor at the University of Western Australia.

1872
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 4: I suppose the difference between defense and wars sometimes is

1873
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 4: just semantics, isn't it? Nineteen away from seven to see Allen. Now,

1874
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 4: if you were listening to the show on Friday, you'll

1875
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 4: remember there's been a big stuff up by water Care, right.

1876
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 4: Wastewater has overflowed from a pumping station into the Mahurangi

1877
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 4: River and has ruined the crops of a few oyster

1878
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 4: farmers and forced them to close their operations for a month.

1879
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 5: Now.

1880
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 4: Andrew Dickins spoke to Lynette Done from the Mahudangy Oyster

1881
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 4: Farmers Association about this on the show on Friday, and

1882
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:35,560
Speaker 4: she said that no compensation had been offered for this particular.

1883
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 25: Incident, nothing from water Care, nothing from anyone, and all

1884
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 25: the farmers finding it very difficult to even keep their

1885
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 25: heads above water at the moment. So it's not an

1886
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 25: ideal situation when we've only probably had a couple of

1887
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 25: months or have been open next next week. We've got

1888
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 25: some amazing ties to be able to go on with

1889
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 25: our farms and we can't do that now, you know.

1890
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 4: Now. Water Care has just sent us a statement today

1891
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,600
Speaker 4: they are willing to offer some compensation to affect at

1892
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 4: oyster farmers. They're now negotiating with Aquaculture New Zealand to

1893
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 4: work out how best to do this. Watercare says they've

1894
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 4: emailed defected farmers on Thursday inviting them to meet and

1895
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 4: discuss how water Care could best support them. And Watercare

1896
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 4: also says two investigations are now underway, one into why

1897
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 4: the waste water overflowed and one into why Watercre's monitoring

1898
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:22,679
Speaker 4: system didn't alert them immediately when it happened. Spare thought

1899
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 4: for those oyster farmers. They're putting up with a lot

1900
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 4: of shit literally and figuratively from water Care. Now, this

1901
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 4: is so ridiculous what I'm about to tell you that

1902
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 4: I had to check out that it was actually true,

1903
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 4: and it actually is true. England Rugby has published a

1904
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 4: language guide telling players and presumably everybody else what they

1905
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:49,679
Speaker 4: can and cannot say when they're involved in rugby, things

1906
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 4: like man of the match is now I know, man

1907
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:59,440
Speaker 4: of the match is now not allowed because it's gender exclusionary.

1908
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,679
Speaker 4: They have to say player of the match. They can't

1909
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 4: say chairmen. They have to say chair They can't say

1910
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 4: ladies and gentlemen. They have to say everyone. They can't

1911
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 4: say guys and girls. They have to say folks. People

1912
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:19,559
Speaker 4: have been warned by England Rugby that repeated failures to

1913
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 4: use inclusive language can amount to bullying all discrimination. Now

1914
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 4: can you imagine, like all g if that's the kind

1915
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 4: of nonsense you want to get up to in England?

1916
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 4: Like whatever? I mean, this is why Oasis made me

1917
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 4: nostalgic for a time when you didn't have this kind

1918
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:37,720
Speaker 4: of crap to deal with. You know, this is just

1919
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 4: like England. Come on, guys, give with it. They seem

1920
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:44,600
Speaker 4: to be absolutely leading the charge on idiocy like this.

1921
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 4: The trouble for us is we send a bunch of

1922
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 4: players over there called the all Blacks who like to

1923
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 4: say things like oils on the field with the boys. Well,

1924
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 4: you can't say boys anymore, can you. Yeah, you can't

1925
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 4: say all the field with the lads. You can't you

1926
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 4: have to say on the field with the players. You'll

1927
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:02,640
Speaker 4: have to say that now, won't you, because if you

1928
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 4: say boys or lads well bullying. Let's go to the

1929
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 4: UK next land of absolute wow, just brain explosions. Gavin

1930
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 4: Gray with US next sixteen away from seven.

1931
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:19,679
Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour

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01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 1: with Heather duperic Ellen and mass for Insurance Investments and

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Speaker 1: Kili Safer and You're in good Hands News.

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Speaker 4: Talks that'd be by the way and Wellington. The waterfront

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Speaker 4: fencing is coming down. You remember this was quite controversial

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Speaker 4: because they put up all this fencing basically fencing off

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Speaker 4: the sea so that people wouldn't fall in. It was

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Speaker 4: temporary and then they're going to put the permanent stuff up.

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Speaker 4: They have now they voted against the permanent stuff and

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Speaker 4: now the temporary stuff is coming down and they're going

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Speaker 4: to start removing the fencing along the waterfront from tomorrow

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Speaker 4: and it'll all be done by Wednesday evening so people

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Speaker 4: can enjoy looking at the water over summer. It's thirteen

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Speaker 4: away from seven. Gavin Gray UK Correspondence with US Elo

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Speaker 4: Gavin Hi, that man alive. What happened on the train.

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Speaker 19: Yea, this was a really grim story from the weekend.

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Speaker 19: On a Saturday at night, a train going into London

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Speaker 19: and reaching its final destination of Peterborough, and man got

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Speaker 19: on no particular alarms being rang, and then about one

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Speaker 19: hundred kilometers to the north of London, that man started

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Speaker 19: stabbing people on the train no warning at all a

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Speaker 19: large kitchen knife. Originally eleven people were injured. Thankfully only

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Speaker 19: one is still in hospital, but that man is said

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Speaker 19: to be an absolute hero who saved other passengers' lives

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Speaker 19: by trying to protect these train passengers and also the

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Speaker 19: train driver acting really really quickly, Heather, because the train

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Speaker 19: was on the fast lane as it were, of the

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Speaker 19: railway and that would have made it very very difficult

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Speaker 19: to stop where it was, which would have perhaps been

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Speaker 19: the inclination when he heard what was going on. But

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Speaker 19: actually he managed to ring control and say I need

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Speaker 19: to get on the slow track which goes by platform,

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Speaker 19: knowing there was a stop coming up, and that meant

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Speaker 19: that the police and armed police could get to them

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Speaker 19: very very quickly. A suspect, a British black man from Peterborough,

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Speaker 19: a thirty two year old, is the only suspect. He's

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Speaker 19: been arrested. At the scene. Police say they recovered a

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Speaker 19: knife and those passengers on board said it was absolutely terrifying.

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Speaker 19: We still don't know the motive, but it looks like

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Speaker 19: this was not motivated by terrorism. That's what the police believe.

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Speaker 19: The Home sectary is expected to make a statement later today.

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Speaker 4: So I saw the news that's come through just in

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Speaker 4: the last twenty four hours or so that Andrew has

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Speaker 4: Head sold a private tour of Buckingham Pallace for like

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Speaker 4: three million New Zealand dollars while the Queen was in residence.

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Speaker 4: So it just seems that it's just the stuff does

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Speaker 4: not stop. Is there any indication that this is the

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Speaker 4: worst of it or is more to come?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 19: I think more will be to come, particularly from the

1981
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Speaker 19: Jeffrey Epstein friendship that he had, and that is because

1982
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Speaker 19: the Epstein files are continuing to turn out new facts

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Speaker 19: as they are being investigated one by one, emails and

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Speaker 19: documents coming through. So in this particular incidence that you

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Speaker 19: talk about, this was a company called Pegasus Group Holdings.

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Speaker 19: It was run as a company that did investments, but

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Speaker 19: the brand ambassador was Sarah Ferguson and In other words,

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Speaker 19: Prince Andrew's ex wife reported to have a salary of

1989
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Speaker 19: roughly three million New Zealand dollars for this crypto mining scheme,

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Speaker 19: but it later failed and closed within the year, and

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Speaker 19: that lost investors many millions of pounds. And it is

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Speaker 19: reported that yes, it was all part of a deal

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Speaker 19: that she could be brand ambassador, but then there were

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Speaker 19: obviously allegations that other things were going on. It was

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Speaker 19: then said that Prince Andrew then Prince Andrew arranged for

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Speaker 19: a tour of Buckingham Palace. One of the people on

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Speaker 19: the tour from Pegasus Group Holdings said that they'd met

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Speaker 19: the Queen. The other one was very quick to say, no,

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Speaker 19: we didn't meet the queen, but they where meet and

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Speaker 19: greeted at Buckingham Palace and given a tour. And ultimately

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Speaker 19: obviously that the thought that Prince Andrew is selling access

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Speaker 19: to both politicians but also potentially around the palace is deeply,

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Speaker 19: deeply concerning. More and more of this stuff coming and

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Speaker 19: it looks like as well, his final royal his final

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Speaker 19: services title is being taken away from him as well.

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Speaker 19: So yeah, a bit of a week that's going to

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Speaker 19: keep being filled with Prince Andrew headlines.

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Speaker 4: Do you think, Kevin, that some of the stuff is

2009
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Speaker 4: being leaked by the Royal family to justify the decisions

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Speaker 4: that they've taken.

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Speaker 19: I've heard of that theory. I don't because I think

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Speaker 19: there's actually enough out there at the moment to actually

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Speaker 19: well justify what they've done. If anything, the Royal family

2014
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Speaker 19: standardcused did not acting faster. Prince William starts at a

2015
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Speaker 19: major royal trip today involving trying to push about the

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Speaker 19: environment and glow warming, and it's just going to not

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Speaker 19: receive much headlines. It's going to be overshadowed by what's

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Speaker 19: going on, just as the kings praying with the Pope

2019
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Speaker 19: for the first time in five hundred years was also overshadowed,

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Speaker 19: and I think that was one of the reasons they

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Speaker 19: have really decided to act as quickly.

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Speaker 4: Hey, thank you very much. Gavin has always appreciated Gavin Gray,

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Speaker 4: UK correspondent. Heather Oh, here's an update. Do you remember

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Speaker 4: I was telling you the other day. I was telling

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Speaker 4: you on Thursday about Wellington City Council stuffing up key

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Speaker 4: one of the keys in Wellington with the roundabout. Heather update,

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Speaker 4: Wellington City Council's faux pa with the speed limit paperwork

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Speaker 4: at ltrkey has been solved with a fifty temporary roadwork

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Speaker 4: sign no roadworks in site because there are no roadworks

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Speaker 4: just a round about, isn't it roundabout that can't handle

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Speaker 4: seventy k's an hour is made for fifty k's an hour,

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Speaker 4: but the troubles the road is fifty k's an hour,

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Speaker 4: So you stick up a temporary fifty fifty yep, fifty

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Speaker 4: roadworks and there are no roadworks. Wellington City Council sort

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Speaker 4: it out. Eight away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Tipsy Alan Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 4: Er interesting. Interesting. So actually a lot of texts came

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Speaker 4: through when I said Oasis's music it had aged badly.

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Speaker 4: Quite a few texts came through actually agreeing with me

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Speaker 4: on this. Heather. In the nineties, I was hugely into

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Speaker 4: Oasis and Blur. Now is a fifty one year old.

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Speaker 4: I don't listen to Oasis or have any interest in

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Speaker 4: seeing them. You're right, You're right, it's just aged badly. Blur,

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Speaker 4: on the other hand, just sounds better the older the

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Speaker 4: music gets, which is because Blur died more complicated music,

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Speaker 4: didn't they And then Oasis just did music that was very,

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Speaker 4: very basic. As I said about four Chords, Heather, I

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Speaker 4: saw Oasis in the UK about two thousand and five

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Speaker 4: and came to the same conclusion as you about their music.

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Speaker 4: It's fundising along too, but pretty basic. There you go.

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Speaker 4: Having said that, Like, as I said, I reckon, I

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Speaker 4: don't drink enough now to you know you can. You

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Speaker 4: can kind of move into another dimension if you get

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Speaker 4: like just that, like that much boost, and then you'll

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Speaker 4: be like us, that's the best part of my life.

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Speaker 4: I'm too old for that now. I don't drink enough,

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Speaker 4: but I reckon, if you did that, you can still

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Speaker 4: have the best night of your life listening to Oasis.

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Speaker 4: But did I say I totally forgot to say earlier?

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Speaker 4: We're all in love with Liam Gallagher, like the wrong

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Speaker 4: guy to fall in love with one hundred percent. So

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Speaker 4: we were playing you know that game that you play

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Speaker 4: where you kill when you marry one and then you

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Speaker 4: just have an affair with one. We were like, you can,

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Speaker 4: you'd obviously marry Nol because Nol is kind of sensitive

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Speaker 4: and writes quite nice music, and he I think he could,

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Speaker 4: you know, I mean obviously has a couple of ex

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Speaker 4: wives probably disagree with it, but he could actually make

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Speaker 4: it like a half decent husband. You would have the

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Speaker 4: affair with Liam because it would be a great time,

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Speaker 4: but you'd definitely want to get out of it quickly.

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Speaker 4: You don't want to get attached to him because he's

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Speaker 4: just lunatic. And then you could just shoot any other

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Speaker 4: member of because nobody knows who they are, so nobody

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Speaker 4: would miss any of them. So there you go that answers. Oh,

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Speaker 4: if you were like, hmm, shoot Mary, you have an affair, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I've answered it for you, haven't I answer?

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Speaker 26: Well, I just feel like you're killing one of the ones,

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Speaker 26: Like you know, the two brothers who broke the band

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Speaker 26: up in the first place. The other guy's just sitting

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Speaker 26: there playing their instiments, trying to keep the band going along,

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Speaker 26: and you're like, no, sorry, we're killing one of you guys.

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Speaker 3: So to get this because name them, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't not.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, but we're going to stay with Britpop for a

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Speaker 26: bit though, because Pulp, fronted by Jarvis Cocker, they are

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Speaker 26: play They are coming to New Zealand. They will be

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Speaker 26: playing one show at Spark Arena in Auckland on February

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Speaker 26: the twenty.

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Speaker 3: First, as part of a sort of Australia to it.

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Speaker 4: So I do I want to go to Pulp? I

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Speaker 4: mean they've got to good songs, but the song you

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Speaker 4: don't have to be drunk to have the bad night.

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Speaker 3: I singing this right and lyrically, very very clever sold.

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Speaker 4: Very clever musicians. Hate is so strange though, isn't he?

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Speaker 3: I mean, did like the Gellican Brothers Une a little.

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Speaker 4: Bit strange, you know, Yeah, it's strange, but a little

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Speaker 4: bit hot like this like a bit of eye candy.

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Speaker 4: This guy's just weird, isn't it. I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 4: think about it. I am tempted. I am tempted, and

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Speaker 4: thank you just bringing me my like calendar.

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Speaker 3: And it's practically Melbourne, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: I mean Jarvis Cocker at the Smark Arena is the

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Speaker 4: same as going to Coasis and Melbourne.

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Speaker 12: In that.

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Speaker 2: Play studio.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. See tomorrow and you still zid big.

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