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Speaker 1: The government's national apology to victims of abuse in state

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Speaker 1: care will take place today. It comes along with a

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Speaker 1: bill with a raft of new changes for protecting people

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Speaker 1: that are currently in state care, which will pass its

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Speaker 1: first reading today. It'll ban strip searches of children and

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Speaker 1: youth justice facilities. It'll create harsher restrictions for people working

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Speaker 1: with kids, and enforce better record keeping by government agencies,

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Speaker 1: which has been a key theme or a failure, I

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Speaker 1: should say, of those who've submitted on the Royal Commission.

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Speaker 1: Jim Goodwin is an abuse survivor. He's with us this morning.

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Speaker 2: Jim, good morning, Good morning, Ron, thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with me. How are you feeling today?

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Speaker 3: Ah? Nervous, really thinking about it? Yeah, this is a

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Speaker 3: huge thing for a huge number of people. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Why nervous?

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Speaker 3: Ah? I hope they don't stuff it up. The potential

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Speaker 3: for a government to make yet more mistakes around survivors

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Speaker 3: and around care is massive.

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Speaker 1: Stuff up the apology or stuff up now do you

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Speaker 1: know the ones who are currently in care?

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Speaker 3: They won't stuff up the apology. That will be well done,

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Speaker 3: I think. But continuing to provide, how will they provide

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Speaker 3: support for survivors and what will they do about preventing

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Speaker 3: abuse and care in the future. That's what I'm worried about.

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Speaker 2: The compensation issued.

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Speaker 1: There's been some criticism that they haven't got that sorted

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Speaker 1: before the apology. Does that bother you or are you

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Speaker 1: more worried about them doing it right when they do it.

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Speaker 3: Compensation is important, but it's only part of what survivors need.

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Speaker 3: Survivors need to be able to access ongoing support, like counseling,

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Speaker 3: support for their lives, and that's quite difficult for a

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Speaker 3: lot of survivors at the moment. So I hope that

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Speaker 3: the government will change that, but conversation is only a

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Speaker 3: part of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair enough.

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Speaker 1: For those who have been abused in state care or

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Speaker 1: in faith based institutions, in a school, stuff like that,

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Speaker 1: who have then gone on to offend. What is your

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Speaker 1: view on that, because the society is grappling with this

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Speaker 1: question right about somebody who's been abused It was nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with their not their fault. They were placed

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Speaker 1: in a situation and they go on to offend. Do

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Speaker 1: they get should they get more leniency? Would you have

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Speaker 1: a view on that?

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Speaker 3: It's offending. Abuse is a factor in offending. Maybe some

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Speaker 3: people should get leniency. Unfortunately, the bad people also claim

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Speaker 3: that they have had a terrible life and that's why

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Speaker 3: they've offended. What would be better is to people who

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Speaker 3: have been abused with support. And I'm thinking I mentioned

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Speaker 3: counseling before, and that will reduce the risk of offending.

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Speaker 3: I treated its source.

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Speaker 1: Not at the other end, what about boot camps that

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Speaker 1: you don't know?

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Speaker 3: A terrible idea, terrible idea never worked, will never work

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Speaker 3: based on a false premise that you can knock people

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Speaker 3: into shape, A really bad idea.

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Speaker 2: What do we do with these kids then?

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Speaker 3: If possible, well, if possible, we should work prodigiously to

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Speaker 3: keep them at home. Even if their home is pretty wonky,

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Speaker 3: it's still the home. It's what they know. So you

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Speaker 3: work to support their faros, support the people who care

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Speaker 3: about them, and try to keep people at home. Institutions

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Speaker 3: should be an absolute last resort.

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Speaker 1: Your abuse took place at christ College back in the

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, and it was from other students. Yeah, what

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Speaker 1: do you want to say to the people who abused you?

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Speaker 3: Ah, they know who they are, they know what they did. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they can live with it. Jim, I've gone, I've gone

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Speaker 3: on and lived my life.

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Speaker 2: Jim. Jim, thank you very much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all rank you, Jim Goodwin, their abuse survivor the

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Speaker 1: apology happening at Parliament this afternoon.

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