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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather duper c Ellen drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 2: to coverage.

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Speaker 1: Like no one else New Stalks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be.

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Speaker 4: Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today. Former Maori

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Speaker 4: Party co lead a Tudor flavel on the expulsions today,

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Speaker 4: Appa who district mayor Western curtain on how that fire

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Speaker 4: is going in the Cook Islands opposition leader what the

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Speaker 4: heck is going on there? Good Heather duper c Ellen's

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Speaker 4: how much of a mess is the Maori Party? I mean,

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Speaker 4: I suspect that they'll be hoping that the mess is

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Speaker 4: over now that they've finally kicked out two of their MPs.

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Speaker 4: But I also suspect that they're wrong if they're hoping

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Speaker 4: that the mess is over, because if there's one thing

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Speaker 4: we can rely on with this lot, it's that none

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Speaker 4: of them can be relied on to behave like professional adults.

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Speaker 4: So who knows what the heck comes next? Something probably,

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Speaker 4: I mean, the two kicked out have both indicated they're

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Speaker 4: going to challenge this one is already hiring lawyers. The

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Speaker 4: son of the other one is also considering legal action

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Speaker 4: because of the email that was sent out revealing that

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Speaker 4: he allegedly yelled some racistuff a parliamentary security guard. What

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Speaker 4: even is this about? Have we stopped and asked ourselves

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Speaker 4: this question? What is this about? I mean, you think

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Speaker 4: about it. From what we know, it isn't a bust

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Speaker 4: up over principles like Jermandertan leaving the Alliance or horning

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Speaker 4: hard Awea to leaving the og Maori Party. This is

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Speaker 4: just a bunch of people who can't get on with

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Speaker 4: each other and can't, like normal adults, find a way

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Speaker 4: to sort out differences to be fair. Did we expect

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Speaker 4: anything else? I mean, this is the party of John Thomerherada.

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Speaker 4: This is the man who blew up his own career

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Speaker 4: with the front Bum's comment, and then blew up his

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Speaker 4: radio career with the Roastbusters comment, and then has managed

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Speaker 4: to basically blow up his relationship with plenty of what

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Speaker 4: he calls the white media by just being obnoxious the

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Speaker 4: whole time. So is it really a surprise that the

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Speaker 4: most obnoxious person in politics at the moment has brought

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Speaker 4: together a crew of people who who can't work together

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Speaker 4: and has created a working environment which then blows up

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Speaker 4: through a lack of emotional maturity. Now, given all of

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Speaker 4: that John talmerheadair, lack of emotional maturity, all of it,

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Speaker 4: I think is probably more to come on this. Maybe

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Speaker 4: there's some legal action, maybe there are some by elections,

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Speaker 4: maybe there's some more defections. But definitely and almost certainly

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Speaker 4: there's going to be more warfare on social media, don't

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Speaker 4: you think. And of all the people that this hurts

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Speaker 4: the most, Maori Party, Maori Party voters, whatever, it's Labor

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Speaker 4: because can Labour really convince voters that this tantrum prone

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Speaker 4: outfit can be relied on to be in government if

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Speaker 4: they can't even be relied on just to keep their

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Speaker 4: own party together.

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Speaker 1: Heather duper c Allen two texts.

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Speaker 4: That's the text number, standard text free supplied barrysop will

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Speaker 4: have more to say than to order off level after

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Speaker 4: five o'clock. Now, let's talk about banks, because yet another

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Speaker 4: bank has posted an increased profit. A and Z New

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Speaker 4: Zealand has reported an after tax profit of two point

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Speaker 4: up more than twenty percent. Antonio Watson is the chief

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Speaker 4: executive and is with us. Now Hi Antonio, Hi, Heather, Now,

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Speaker 4: how are you guys doing so well when the economy

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Speaker 4: has been such a turd?

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Speaker 5: Really well, I have to first story your attention to

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Speaker 5: these strange things called economic hedges, which are a fluctuating

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Speaker 5: big number due to accounting treatment. And if you look

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Speaker 5: through that it's based on it's basically us valuing our

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Speaker 5: derivatives boring. If you look through that and you look

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Speaker 5: at our actual underlying customer business, our profit is up

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Speaker 5: four percent, which is about the same amount that our

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Speaker 5: lending was up and our deposits were up. So growing

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Speaker 5: our profits growing in line with the growth of our

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Speaker 4: Okay, so up four percent, but still Antonia, up four

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Speaker 4: by one percent in a quarter. How did you manage

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Speaker 5: So a couple of things. One is that we grew

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Speaker 4: How much you be growing balance sheet by just out

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Speaker 5: Over two hundred billion dollars. It's the size of our

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Speaker 5: really think it's a big I mean two point five

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Speaker 5: we're a really really big company.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Are we paying more in interest margins in New Zealand

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Speaker 5: A little bit more so when we do a direct

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Speaker 5: light for light comparison with our Australian business, we pay

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Speaker 5: New Zealanders pay about twenty one basis points more. That

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Speaker 5: is more than accounted for by the additional capital that

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Speaker 4: So when the reform Coalition, the Banking reform Coalition said,

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Speaker 4: Australia's margins, our mortgages would be one hundred basis points lower.

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Speaker 4: Are they wrong?

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Speaker 5: They are comparing apples and oranges. They're comparing then the

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Speaker 5: A and Z group in every country including New Zealand,

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Speaker 5: and importantly includes our institutional business, which has a big

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Speaker 5: not just margin, because they get fees for transaction banks.

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Speaker 4: So in New Zealand, bananas, really our net interest margin

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Speaker 5: You get this, so if you add together, if you

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Speaker 5: two point three nine percent, so twenty one basis points lower.

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Speaker 4: Okay, why do we pay more?

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Speaker 5: As I said, we have we're required to hold more

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Speaker 5: our shareholders invest nearly twenty billion dollars in our business

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Speaker 5: and we have to provide them a return on that.

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Speaker 5: They've had to invest another one point two billion this

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Speaker 5: So the fact that we've increased our NIM by three

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Speaker 4: Okay, when so Nicola Willson them are obviously attending to this.

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Speaker 4: At the moment when it's all sorted, will we be

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Speaker 5: Well, it depends on what is sorted, because at the

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Speaker 5: moment the proposals from the Reserve Bank, one of them

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Speaker 5: makes us hold more cet one capital, which is the

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Speaker 5: most expensive form of captures. It's not going to happen though,

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Speaker 5: you know that, Well, we'd like to hope not. But

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Speaker 5: the other one requires us to hold more in sort

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Speaker 5: of capital like instruments all together, So at the moment

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Speaker 5: the proposals don't really change the dial match neither, and

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Speaker 5: we're talking about stopping increases going forward, we're not going

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Speaker 4: Okay, So Antonia, if we took away, if we took

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Speaker 4: same place in terms of capital requirements as the Australians

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Speaker 4: would be paying the same.

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Speaker 5: We'd be well if we allowed for the amount of

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Speaker 5: paying a little bit less here.

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Speaker 4: Oh that sounds awesome. I like that. I've got to

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Speaker 4: ask this question, only you're gonna hate it. Are you

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Speaker 4: getting a bonus?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 1: I am.

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Speaker 5: You'll be able to see that in the room reports

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Speaker 5: on the much trubished today. It's very complicated, but overall

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Speaker 5: this year I'll be paid just under two point eight

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Speaker 5: million dollars.

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Speaker 4: Nice, you got any plans with it?

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Speaker 5: Invested wisely?

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Speaker 4: And you do not have to answer TONI. You're so game,

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Speaker 4: you don't have to answer that question.

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Speaker 8: Mate.

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Speaker 4: What you say is buger off here than none of

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Speaker 4: your business. Listen, Thanks, thanks very much. I really appreciate

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Speaker 4: the time that Antonio Watson A and Z in New

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Speaker 4: Zealand's chief executive. Least least you tried a quarter past.

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Speaker 4: Here that Antonia has clearly drunk the kool aid. Pitty.

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Speaker 4: You didn't ask why New Zealand customers pay more fees

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Speaker 4: than Aussie customers the same services. Do you know what? Though?

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Speaker 4: On the capital requirements right. The answer is simply, if,

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Speaker 4: they held the same as the Australians, we would pay

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Speaker 4: less than the Australian's net interest margin. So the person

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Speaker 4: who can actually change this is Nikola Willison. She's with

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Speaker 4: us after six o'clock we'll ask her about that. It's

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Speaker 4: eighteen past four Sport.

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Speaker 2: With TB Multi's Fast, Easy and more codes. Sorry, eighteen

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Speaker 4: Jason Pines sports stalkhosters with us Hallow Poney, h I

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Speaker 4: hit it was it Damien McKenzie by himself, basically.

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Speaker 9: Well, it was a big part of it, wasn't it.

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Speaker 9: You look at the things he did, the significant parts

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Speaker 9: Then from the resulting penalty that came from that, sorry,

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Speaker 9: a you know, blood pouring out of his face and

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Speaker 9: standing there like brave Hardy knocks over a fifty men

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Speaker 9: penalty to get us up twenty five seventeen. So it

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Speaker 9: shouldn't mask what was a fairly mixed performance from the

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Speaker 9: All Blacks. But the thirty five minutes Damien McKenzie put

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Speaker 9: out there last night, for him anyway, were well worthy

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Speaker 4: He found his place then as the impact player.

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Speaker 9: I totally think he has. It just feels like the

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Speaker 9: best place for him right that twenty three Jersey where

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Speaker 9: he can come on regardless of that situation and make

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Speaker 9: an impact. He plays unstructured rugby. It is exactly what

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Speaker 4: What happened to the Phoenix are going to win?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: They didn't win the game. They didn't win the game.

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Speaker 4: Of course they weren't going to win the game. You're

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Speaker 4: the only person who thought they were going to win

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Speaker 9: Well, they are about twelve thousand turned up who thought

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Speaker 2: The headlines and the hard questions, it's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 12: We all know, and I don't think anyone disputes the

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Speaker 4: Peterson is going to be out of Australia in about

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Speaker 4: fifteen minutes. The new South Wales government there is trying

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Speaker 4: Actually, Stuart Nah, Now I think that we heard that

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Speaker 4: I've said this before. I will never ever turn down

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Speaker 4: Just jellous. That's all here. The big ups to Antonio

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Speaker 4: Do you know what. Here's the thing, I firmly believe this.

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Speaker 4: when he's with us. Very shortly. Oliver Peterson is standing

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Speaker 4: by out of Australia. It's now twenty five to five.

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Speaker 2: It's the world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 4: Over in the US, the Senate is voting on a

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Speaker 17: Well, never agreed to give any to stand your money

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Speaker 7: To come into our country. Can I think the Democrats

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Speaker 4: And finally, smile. American retailer Target has told its employees

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Speaker 4: Oliver Peterson fleixb our Perth Life present to Hey, Ollie.

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Speaker 6: I'm already smiling talking to you hither.

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Speaker 18: Absolutely you can hear it in your voice when you smile,

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Speaker 18: Reward on Saturday Night header, did you what for local

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Speaker 18: A couple of MPs Kelly Sloan in New South Wales,

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Speaker 18: as well as the Federal Teel Illegal Spenders, spoke out

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Speaker 18: about these commets and they're as a result of what

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Speaker 18: they have said, they have to go and delete their

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Speaker 18: social media accounts. They have been smashed online by people

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Speaker 18: for speaking up in regards to this. I don't know

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Speaker 18: how that this isn't the Australia that we know and

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Speaker 18: love and appreciate. It just doesn't feel like what we

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Speaker 18: get up to in this country. So it's all just

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Speaker 18: getting towards that sort.

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Speaker 4: Of boiling point. I just don't like it. I missed

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Speaker 4: who's getting smashed on social media, is that the people

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Speaker 4: who want to have these slogans band or the people

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Speaker 4: who are criticizing that.

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Speaker 18: So the people who want them banned, the MPs who

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Speaker 18: have spoken.

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Speaker 4: Who're smashing them on social media.

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Speaker 18: Those who would be connected to those.

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Speaker 4: Like people who want to use Nazi slowly.

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Speaker 18: They want to use Nazis slogans and speeches and slowes,

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Speaker 18: and there is enough of them.

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Speaker 4: It's enough one on social media.

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Speaker 18: Correct and say what's free speech?

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Speaker 4: The hell is going on with Australia.

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Speaker 18: But this it's just it's become what some might think

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Speaker 18: it's a bit of a sleeper issue. It's becoming more

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Speaker 18: and more mainstream and out in public and it's I

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Speaker 18: don't blame our legislators for speaking up and saying, let's

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Speaker 18: get rid of this. This isn't, you know, the place

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Speaker 18: we want to be in, And yet they're they're finding

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Speaker 18: it as a result of speaking up to that they're

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Speaker 18: having to get rid of their social media accounts.

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Speaker 4: It's wild, isn't it. But I mean that in and

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Speaker 4: of itself almost really underschooes the fact that they absolutely

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Speaker 4: have to look. I'm not saying that they have to

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Speaker 4: band slogans. I don't know how I feel about that,

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Speaker 4: but that's something is very wrong and needs to be

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Speaker 4: done on absolutely. John laws made it to a good

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Speaker 4: old age.

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Speaker 18: Didn't he Getney indeed, ninety years of age? And how's

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Speaker 18: that seventy one years he spent behind the microphone that

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Speaker 18: he's just phenomenal. And I was crazy when I was

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Speaker 18: started my career at two UE, going back sixteen seventeen

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Speaker 18: years ago when Lawsy had just retired from to UI.

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Speaker 18: And it's actually all the tributes are flung from the

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Speaker 18: Prime Minister to Graham Richard and obviously also passing on

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Speaker 18: the weekend down to Russell Crowe. Nobody has a bad

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Speaker 18: word to say about John Laws and he was in

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Speaker 18: that generation of broadcaster in Australia. He said, no, he's

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Speaker 18: never been a journalist. He goes, you know, he's an entertainer.

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Speaker 18: But he was respected by every side of politics. And

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Speaker 18: yeah he's a bit controversial at times. There was also

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Speaker 18: that cast for Comments Saga for a little while as well.

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Speaker 18: But Laws he just had the golden tonsils, he had

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Speaker 18: the voice. And when I started a to ue heathered

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Speaker 18: just very quickly where Lawsy's office was. After he had left,

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Speaker 18: that became an office for about fifteen people. So it

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Speaker 18: just keeves him the idea in the good old days,

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Speaker 18: right that the power of the broadcast or how he

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Speaker 18: just had that office. I'd know about you these days

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Speaker 18: at ZB. I mean you probably have a whole flaw

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Speaker 18: to yourself. But where I am at six PR here

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Speaker 18: in Perth, I'm just in a pod.

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Speaker 4: You know the people. Do you do watch the morning show?

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Speaker 4: You know, the one with Jennifer Aniston?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Do you ever? I watched that and think to these

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Speaker 4: people have got the people have crazy ideas of what

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Speaker 4: it means to be in the media, like the awesome

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Speaker 4: glass offices with like the Kia and all the great furniture.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, nah, try hot desk gag you correct, yeah,

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Speaker 4: spot on it.

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Speaker 6: You can only dream for that, so.

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Speaker 4: How good would that be? Hey? So a cup of

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Speaker 4: coffee is a thing.

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Speaker 6: Now do you like coffee?

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Speaker 4: Matt, love it, but just the just the one, because

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Speaker 4: you don't want to become a niacle?

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 18: So I do three shots a day, but all before

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Speaker 18: mid days.

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Speaker 6: You'll have to meet dog get the shakes.

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Speaker 18: But hey, that's good. You and I are fine, right

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Speaker 18: because now my heart's going to be fine. That's what

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Speaker 18: they're saying.

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Speaker 4: This due out of Adelaide, because you're making it race

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Speaker 4: every day.

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Speaker 6: That's right.

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Speaker 18: Basically the research out of Adelaide. But I'm going with

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Speaker 18: it says that all of a sudden, we're not gonna

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Speaker 18: have to worry about af So how do you say

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Speaker 18: atrial fibrillation? So it just means you know, heart's going

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Speaker 18: to beat properly, will be right, We're.

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Speaker 4: Fine, We're good drinking coffee.

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Speaker 16: Right.

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Speaker 4: You sound like a doctor, Ollie, Thanks very much, Oliver

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Speaker 4: Peterson six pr Perth Life Presents eighteen Away.

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Speaker 1: From five Heather duper c Allenhether.

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Speaker 4: It's not just the BBC that's hither. That Ossie reporter

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Speaker 4: is so awesome, do you know what? Yes, he is.

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Speaker 4: I love him. Here that it's not just the BBC

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Speaker 4: that's biased, it's the whole mainstream media, including ZB and

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Speaker 4: your show. You have TDS. No, I don't. I did

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Speaker 4: not Trump arrangement syndrome. I Trump tickles me pink like

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Speaker 4: I realize all the bad things that Trump is a

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Speaker 4: terrible human being. Can you imagine? Can you imagine a

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Speaker 4: reality worse than having to be millennia be married to him,

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Speaker 4: you know, or actually maybe living in his country. But

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Speaker 4: isn't he funny? He cracks me up. I'll tell you

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Speaker 4: who has got teds though is barried Soper. Absolutely. We've

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Speaker 4: got to talk about these police gifts. I don't know

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Speaker 4: if you've seen them, but some people, like some people

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Speaker 4: clearly think that just a gift for the sake of

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Speaker 4: a gift is a good thing. And I'm feeling like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: the Israelis, I'm gonna give it. The Israelis were not

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Speaker 4: that bad. The Israeli police gave a portable fruit juicer

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Speaker 4: to like some of our police, and it's quite random.

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Speaker 4: Is that like a neutrabuleet or something like that must be.

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Speaker 4: It's quite a random thing. Like how do you look

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Speaker 4: at a group of people and go they need more fruit?

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Speaker 4: Is that what happened there? Or is it just a

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Speaker 4: product from Israel that you've decided that you Scott to have.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Otherwise it's impossible to explain. But whoever

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Speaker 4: in Hong Kong thought that it was a good idea

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Speaker 4: to give a teddy bear to Richard Chambers needs to

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Speaker 4: go and have a hard think about what they're doing.

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Speaker 4: Because they just gave a teddybear to a grown man

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Speaker 4: who's also a hardened police officer. What do you think

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Speaker 4: he's going to do with a teddy bear? That's just like,

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Speaker 4: that's bizarre. Also, Wellington Police returned a box full of

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Speaker 4: hair scrunchies. Now, first of all, you can take the

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Speaker 4: hair scrunches and nobody's going to be offended by that.

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Speaker 4: If you thought that that was some that's not. No

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Speaker 4: one's going to call your integrity into question, Wellington Police

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Speaker 4: because you took hair scrunchies. But it is a bit

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Speaker 4: of a random gift and I'm hoping to God that

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Speaker 4: whoever gave it was actually a hair scrunchy maker. Otherwise,

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Speaker 4: the fact that they gave it for all the hard

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Speaker 4: work the female police staff two for the community is

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Speaker 4: a bit strange. Sixteen away from.

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Speaker 2: Five Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 4: Hey, I've got some financial advice for you very shortly,

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Speaker 4: so stay tuned. That's just before five o'clock. It's thirteen

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Speaker 4: away from five Barries so per senior political correspondence with

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Speaker 4: us Alovaring, Good afternoon, surprise. I'm not a surprise that

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Speaker 4: they kicked out the two MPs.

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Speaker 8: Well, it was a long time coming, wasn't it.

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Speaker 4: But Baiden Barber, poor Baden Barber from the ewee chairs,

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Speaker 4: they've been flying up and down the country trying to

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Speaker 4: stitch this thing. Sorry for him, Well, you know, it's

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Speaker 4: been embarrassed.

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Speaker 8: I think there was a lot of work going on

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Speaker 8: behind the scenes to try and bring the factions together.

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Speaker 8: Then they just went you've got the leadership, haven't You've

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Speaker 8: got a third of the Bali Party and now out

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Speaker 8: of the out of not parliament, but out of the party,

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Speaker 8: which is pretty extraordinary. There have only in my time

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Speaker 8: there've only been two MPs expelled from parties. Donna Terri Huata.

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Speaker 8: She was expelled by the Act Party and you've got

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Speaker 8: recently Darlene Tana after all that going on with the Greens,

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Speaker 8: she went. But it's very rare to expel an MP

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Speaker 8: from a political party, and you know, an electorate MP.

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Speaker 8: They could invoke the Walker jumping legislation that would enforce

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Speaker 8: a by election and these two big electorates, but they

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Speaker 8: have to go to the Speaker and talk to him

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Speaker 8: about that. And I don't think he would be of

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Speaker 8: a mind to think about by election.

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Speaker 4: And he can't stop them, And no, he can't.

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Speaker 8: Stop them, but they have to have that discussion. But

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Speaker 8: we know with them it's not that easy. Look the

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Speaker 8: we really don't know what Takuta Ferris did wrong other

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Speaker 8: than doing that late night video. What he really did wrong.

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Speaker 8: Rowery White te he had a message for his party's

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Speaker 8: membership today though, which apparently has been bleeding membership since

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Speaker 8: the internal wrangle began several weeks ago. Stick with us

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Speaker 8: and we'll deliver government next year.

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Speaker 19: Our responsibility and our future earn our hends. This week

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Speaker 19: marks one year since the Hiko and moutiturity, when Tanata

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Speaker 19: Tanata Tidty and Tanata Moana stood.

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Speaker 1: Together and stopped the Treaty principles built.

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Speaker 19: That is what happens when we are unified, and that

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Speaker 19: is the standard we expect. We have begun serious and

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Speaker 19: constructive conversations with the Labor Party and the Green Party. Now,

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Speaker 19: people on the streets and the polls have told us

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Speaker 19: they want a government led by our three parties at

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Speaker 19: the helm. We will work to deliver that outcome front

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Speaker 19: Today we will not comment further on this internal matter.

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Speaker 8: There you go. So they believe firmly they're going to

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Speaker 8: be members of any coalition government. And when he says

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Speaker 8: that says that the Treaty Principal's bill was stopped by

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Speaker 8: that equoy, I think he should just go back and

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Speaker 8: reflect on that, because it was Chris Luxon that said

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Speaker 8: it wasn't going to go beyond the first reading. Had

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Speaker 8: nothing to do with that.

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Speaker 4: Callum has a question for you. Wasn't Alaminkupu also kicked

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Speaker 4: out of the alliance?

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Speaker 8: She was out of the Alliance, but I don't think

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Speaker 8: she was expelled in the way these people expect.

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Speaker 4: Okay, what's going on with the Cox?

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Speaker 8: Oh well, what is going on?

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Speaker 16: Listen?

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Speaker 4: It's eighteen million dollars in funding that was withheld didn't

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Speaker 4: make a difference. I don't think thirty millions.

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Speaker 8: Well, the thing is that this has been going on

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Speaker 8: since February, since Mark Brown, the Prime Minister there signed

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Speaker 8: some sort of a deal, strategic deal with China. The

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Speaker 8: danger in all of this, Heather, is though, that it'll

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Speaker 8: drive the Cook Islands and other other Pacific countries into

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Speaker 8: the arms of the Chinese. That's the danger. But look,

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Speaker 8: certainly there is a way through. In two thousand and one,

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Speaker 8: the Joint Centenary Declaration signed between our two countries said

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Speaker 8: that you had to consult each other when it came

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Speaker 8: to defense and security. There was no consultation that Mark

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Speaker 8: Brown did with our government. And in February, of course,

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Speaker 8: Mark Brown signed that comprehensive strategic partnership with China. Now

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Speaker 8: it could be brought back this relationship if you listen

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Speaker 8: to Chris Luxon, he's just said that that'll require Mark

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Speaker 8: Brown to come back to the table to discuss it.

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Speaker 13: It needs to be progress, and there is some little progress,

659
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Speaker 13: but we want a lot more of it, and we

660
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Speaker 13: want trust restored, and we want clarity and mitigations to

661
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Speaker 13: the questions that we have answered. And until we see

662
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Speaker 13: so will pause our budgetary support, but of course that

663
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Speaker 13: doesn't preclude a lot of other money going in to

664
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Speaker 13: key parts of supporting the people of the Crook Islands

665
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Speaker 13: as well. I'm confident that they know that they will

666
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Speaker 13: take this pretty seriously, which is that they need to

667
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Speaker 13: come to the table. They need to demonstrate to us

668
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Speaker 13: that they understand the obligations.

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Speaker 8: And it's not just the money heither, it's the relationship

670
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Speaker 8: that New Zealand has always had with the Cook Islands

671
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Speaker 8: being a realm country that we're sort of their protect

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Speaker 8: writ in a way.

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Speaker 4: You're right, alamone coopu it defected. She resigned, Barry, thanks

674
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Speaker 4: very much, appreciate it, very so much. Seeing your political

675
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Speaker 4: correspondent eight away from five Oli Peterson was saying before Heather,

676
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Speaker 4: I don't agree with the neo Nazis protesting, but we

677
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Speaker 4: have also had to put up with a lunatic pro humus,

678
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Speaker 4: anti Semitic losers two years protesting, which is a fair

679
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Speaker 4: point actually, because a lot of the stuff that's coming

680
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Speaker 4: out of that, the pro Palestinian mouth the protests as

681
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Speaker 4: very very anti Israel, anti Jewish. No, no, it's just

682
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Speaker 4: anti Jewish. Some of it is anti Jewish in the

683
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Speaker 4: same way that the neo Nazis are. So if you're

684
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Speaker 4: going to draw the line on the neo Nazi slogans,

685
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Speaker 4: you may have to cast the net a bit wider.

686
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Speaker 4: Do you remember that christ Jewish crematorium that we were

687
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Speaker 4: telling you about some months ago that started doing water cremations.

688
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Speaker 4: The apparently it has taken off. It's like it accounts

689
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Speaker 4: for about seventy five percent of their business. They've only

690
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Speaker 4: been doing it since June. So I have a chat

691
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Speaker 4: to them after five o'clock. It's five away from five.

692
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Speaker 4: Now this is the money advice I have for you.

693
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Speaker 4: Normally I wouldn't take any of my financial advice, but

694
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Speaker 4: you need to go on the IRD website and see

695
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Speaker 4: if someone owes you money in the unclaimed money bin.

696
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Speaker 4: Because ans did today, well not today, ants did it?

697
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Speaker 4: And a Scott A windfol didn't you answer?

698
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Speaker 6: I did? My dad, I think read a Herald article

699
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Speaker 6: that said you should totally go check this thing. So

700
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Speaker 6: he did. And then my name was in there, like

701
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Speaker 6: my first name and my surname. And apparently the money

702
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Speaker 6: was owed by a company that I had worked out before.

703
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Speaker 6: Now I had no idea why this company would own

704
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Speaker 6: me money. But you know, I was like, hang on,

705
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Speaker 6: that seems too concident. Also, I just clicked the little

706
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Speaker 6: button saying I think this is me.

707
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Speaker 4: Ask no questions, claim the money, that's right.

708
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Speaker 6: Yeah, And then the money arrived. Well, they basically they

709
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Speaker 6: say it's going to take at least three months until

710
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Speaker 6: we even decide tell us how much.

711
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Speaker 4: It was.

712
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Speaker 6: Four hundred and forty dollars.

713
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Speaker 4: That's for doing nothing. You got four hundred and forty dollars.

714
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Speaker 6: I had to log into my IR, I had to

715
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Speaker 6: click it.

716
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Speaker 4: But anyway, Yeah, well you had to do some admin anyway.

717
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Speaker 4: So then today we were talking about it and then

718
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Speaker 4: produce the Sam was like, oh, well, I'd better go

719
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Speaker 4: check and guess what Sam is owed money as well.

720
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Speaker 4: I think it was like one hundred and fifty dollars,

721
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Speaker 4: he says, from some random company he's never heard of,

722
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Speaker 4: or it.

723
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Speaker 6: Could be someone what the same name as Sam.

724
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Speaker 4: He does have a very common name. Yeah, but ask

725
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Speaker 4: no questions, claim the money anyway, So.

726
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Speaker 6: You lose nothing by applying, for sure, Yeah I have.

727
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Speaker 4: I'm not If you're wondering what is this? What is

728
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Speaker 4: this lottery? This is basically when you're owed money by

729
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Speaker 4: an organization or a person and then they can't track

730
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Speaker 4: you down, and they do it try for about five

731
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Speaker 4: years to track you down, and if they can't track

732
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Speaker 4: you down, they just transfer the money basically over to

733
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Speaker 4: IRD and then it sits in the unclaimed money pot.

734
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Speaker 4: And because of the internet's it's now really easy to

735
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Speaker 4: just type. You go and type your name and find

736
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Speaker 4: your name, claim your dollars. How good is that? And look,

737
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Speaker 4: if you do this in the next like a couple

738
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Speaker 4: of hours, obviously don't wait, don't walk run. If you

739
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Speaker 4: do it in the next couple of hours and find

740
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Speaker 4: your name, you have to text me because we want

741
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Speaker 4: to celebrate your good fortune with you and also maybe

742
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Speaker 4: take it. I don't know. I reckon ten percent? What

743
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Speaker 4: do you reckon ten percent? I reckon that's not bad.

744
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Speaker 4: I think heither. You're not biased, not remotely, but whatever, Yes,

745
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Speaker 4: I am one hundred percent. I am, but I don't

746
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Speaker 4: hide it. Whereas the BBC, we'll talk about them soon.

747
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Speaker 4: To order it off.

748
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Speaker 20: Flavel next the only drive show you can try the

749
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Speaker 20: truck to ask the questions, get the answers.

750
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Speaker 2: Find the analysis here. The dupic el and drive with

751
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Speaker 2: one new Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news.

752
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Speaker 1: Doorgs be.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon. The Maldi Party has officially expelled two of

754
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Speaker 4: its MPs. The party's co leaders confirmed today that Maria

755
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 4: Mental Kappa Kingi and Taku the Peras have been removed

756
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Speaker 4: from the party, effective immediately. Both have indicated they intend

757
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Speaker 4: to fight this decision. To Udera flavel is, the former

758
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 4: co leader of the Maldi Party and with us hied

759
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Speaker 4: to hear that, do you think that the party is

760
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Speaker 4: now going to trigger the walker jumping law and force

761
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Speaker 4: these two out of parliament altogether?

762
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Speaker 15: Well, that seems to be the intention from the leadership.

763
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Speaker 15: But I think there's a little bit of water to

764
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Speaker 15: go into the bridge as yet. I understand that this

765
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Speaker 15: sort of may well be some legal challenges to process

766
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Speaker 15: and what's been and what has happened. So I think

767
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Speaker 15: there's a little bit more water to go into the bridge.

768
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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, depending on how long that takes, they could run

769
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Speaker 4: out of time, right because they have to do it

770
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Speaker 4: in the first half of next year.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, well, I mean the hope be that at one

772
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Speaker 15: you know, I think people from what I've heard seen

773
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Speaker 15: and questions asked of me, is that people are over it.

774
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Speaker 15: They're hugely disappointed me with the outcome of what happened

775
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Speaker 15: with the National Council. But there is I think many

776
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Speaker 15: of us hang on to an element of hope that

777
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Speaker 15: there's a possibility of bringing the parties back together. I mean,

778
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Speaker 15: the Constitution of the Mighty Party says that you try

779
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Speaker 15: and make decisions by consensus, and consensus has explained to

780
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Speaker 15: us and work through. When we were doing the constitution

781
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Speaker 15: was you hang in, you stay, you keep talking, you

782
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Speaker 15: work it through, You try and bring everybody over the

783
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Speaker 15: line with you, and according to the processes as it's

784
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Speaker 15: sort of been reported, that never quite happened, but it'll

785
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Speaker 15: be for others to determine that. And so we hang

786
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Speaker 15: with some hope that there will be an element of

787
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Speaker 15: bringing the parties together, although the scigns aren't all that creature.

788
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Speaker 4: I mean, is it even possible to it all? If

789
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Speaker 4: you've released like John palmerhadd has a lot have done,

790
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 4: released all of that damage information about people like Maria

791
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 4: Iman or Kapa Keni, how can you possibly bring her

792
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Speaker 4: back well?

793
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Speaker 15: I mean that's part of the issue, is that some

794
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 15: people have heard some of the story but not heard

795
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Speaker 15: all of the story. Unsure the people liked JT and ably.

796
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Speaker 4: How can she come back and then us trust the

797
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Speaker 4: judgment of somebody like John Tabaheta who released part of

798
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Speaker 4: the story.

799
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Speaker 15: Well, that's true. That's the problem that there's issues on

800
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Speaker 15: both sides of the fence, and neither of those have

801
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Speaker 15: been presented, at least to the membership, whom one would

802
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Speaker 15: think that there's an element of responsibility to report back to.

803
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 15: Most of the discussion has been, you know, with those

804
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Speaker 15: people in those electorates, so people don't know the full story.

805
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 15: And the hope would have been that, you know, you

806
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Speaker 15: get a group of people to work out the truth

807
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Speaker 15: and then the truth what actually happened on both sides

808
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Speaker 15: of the fence, come to some conclusions and then work

809
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 15: their through But unfortunately that hasn't quite happened.

810
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Speaker 4: Does this hurt the Maori parties vote without a.

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Speaker 15: Doubt everything that I've seen, albeit I've been away out

812
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 15: of the country, but I've been keeping a track on

813
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 15: what's been going on that there's not one post that

814
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Speaker 15: I've seen that even there are posts that say we

815
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Speaker 15: still have hope with with the hope that the Mighty

816
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Speaker 15: Party can sort stuff out but pretty much most of

817
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Speaker 15: the reaction that I've seen has been very negative. It's

818
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Speaker 15: that people have been disappointed, sad, angry, sort of hopeful

819
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 15: that things would have been turned around, but just just

820
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 15: sad about the whole situation that two of these MPs

821
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Speaker 15: that that came in together with a huge element of

822
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Speaker 15: hope having gathered six of the seven mighty seats, would

823
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Speaker 15: bring things over the line and at least us wave

824
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Speaker 15: the flag in terms of mighty aspirations. And they've done that,

825
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Speaker 15: and they've done that, Sue to this point in time, unfortunately,

826
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Speaker 15: just it's.

827
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Speaker 1: Just not working.

828
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Speaker 4: Does JT have to go?

829
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Speaker 15: Well, that's one of the considerations that many people say

830
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Speaker 15: as an option, but clearly, well it's not from need

831
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Speaker 15: I say, but I think that there's if you're looking

832
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 15: at the whole party, you know, generally you reflect on

833
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 15: the leadership that's been given both as political leaders and

834
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 15: the party leaders. He's got to be responsibility from all

835
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Speaker 15: parties and you can only ever find that out by

836
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 15: having some sort of investigation into what happened. And there's

837
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Speaker 15: still time, and there's still is I think I spoke

838
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Speaker 15: to you not long ago, is about a year or

839
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Speaker 15: so to the next election, there's time to sort some

840
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Speaker 15: of the stuff out, but it's definitely coming to your questions,

841
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 15: definitely damaging at the moment.

842
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Speaker 4: Hey, thank you as always for your time to edit

843
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Speaker 4: a level form of ARTI Party co.

844
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Speaker 1: Leader ever do for CLO.

845
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Speaker 4: That enormous fire and Pulling It at All National Park

846
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 4: is still burning, but Fire Cruiser upbeat about the progress

847
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Speaker 4: that they've made. Evacuated residents of fuck A Pupa village

848
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Speaker 4: have been allowed to return, and Dox Damien Coots says

849
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Speaker 4: that the worst damage to the tourism infrastructure has been avoided.

850
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Speaker 21: Yesterday we lost twenty eight hundred hectares approximately of Told

851
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Speaker 21: It All National Park. We're an incredibly fortunate position from

852
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Speaker 21: a recreation point of view to have many others to

853
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Speaker 21: a SATs, but the impact gone by to your city

854
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Speaker 21: is going to be significant.

855
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Speaker 4: Do appear who district mayor Western Cursions with that.

856
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Speaker 17: High Western Yes, sir, Good afternoon, Heather, thank you for

857
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Speaker 17: the opportunity to come on program. Does it sound to

858
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 17: you like the rains put the fire out, Well, it's

859
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 17: basically helped, Heather. We had issues with the wind and

860
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Speaker 17: the heat yesterday, which of course was that it's cinnacle

861
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 17: with the fire, but have rain and dampening things overnight

862
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 17: particularly made it easier for the crew to get on

863
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 17: the ground and actually try and deal with it permanentively.

864
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 4: Still some hot spots and stuff.

865
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Speaker 17: Uh, absolutely, and it will be going on of course

866
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 17: of the next week. We'll have people on the ground.

867
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Speaker 17: They'll be putting drones up during the night, for example,

868
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Speaker 17: to see what's out there and actually deal with it

869
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 17: during the day.

870
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Speaker 4: Any idea how it started.

871
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 17: No, that's something un investigation, Heather, There all sorts of speculation.

872
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 17: I've got to say that it's probably in the vicinity

873
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Speaker 17: of a highway, which is a state highway forty seven,

874
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Speaker 17: and it's likely that's some interference there that's caused it.

875
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Speaker 17: But I can only speculate, and I guess it's allowed

876
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 17: the police to carry out the investigation.

877
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 4: Did you see that the EWE has placed at a

878
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 4: hue over the area for ten years.

879
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 17: Well, it's part of it. We're talking about two parts

880
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 17: to it together. One is the Rahi Hui are regarding

881
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 17: the track itself. So we've got seven days there and

882
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 17: that would be revisited in seven days to see whether

883
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 17: or not. You know, it's practical to go over the

884
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 17: Tongario crossing and that could be lifted. But the ten

885
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 17: year one is around the restoration. What they're basically saying,

886
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 17: EWE is that they need to restore it responsibility, which

887
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 17: of course goes with hand in hand with what everyone

888
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 17: else in New z anyone wants is to ensure that

889
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 17: it just doesn't go to weeds and to show up.

890
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 4: Okay, so what does it actually going to stop. Who's

891
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 4: going to be stopped from going into what areas for

892
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 4: the next ten years?

893
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 17: Well, I think to appreciate that the areas that was

894
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 17: burnt doesn't have very much in the way of public

895
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 17: access at all. What we're talking about is ized tracks

896
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 17: which will be open to the public as soon as

897
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Speaker 17: we get the seven days lifted, and of course it's

898
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Speaker 17: safe to do so. So we're not as though that

899
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 17: you know, you can go there and park up and

900
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Speaker 17: actually stay there. It's just not practical in that location.

901
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 17: So I've got to be fair to say that there's

902
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 17: hundreds and hundreds of hectares that need to be restored

903
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Speaker 17: and we've got to give it space to do that.

904
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Speaker 4: Westin thanks very much for your time. As always, Western

905
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 4: Curtain the Ruapeh District, mayorgever Do for c Ellens. This

906
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 4: is not a lie. I just got a text from

907
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Speaker 4: Lois omg I'm owed two thousand dollars. She's owed two

908
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 4: thousand dollars from Amex Amex Amex. She didn't know that

909
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 4: she was owed that money. Went and had a look

910
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 4: on the ID website. There you go, two thousand dollars,

911
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 4: just like that, Heather, I just completed my claim on

912
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 4: the ID. I received six hundred and forty eight dollars.

913
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 4: Apparently it's from an old international money card that I

914
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 4: had many years ago, and I'd forgotten about that. From Graham, Hither,

915
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 4: I just searched unclaim money on IOD. My name's popped up.

916
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 4: Now I just fill out my forms. Heither, this is

917
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Speaker 4: the last time I listened you. Must says this, but

918
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 4: Must doesn't actually mean this last time I listened to

919
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 4: you because I had to look at that IID thing.

920
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 4: I found out IOE a little bit to the ID

921
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 4: and one of my ex workers, no, mus that's not

922
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 4: you're not looking at the right money pot. You need

923
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 4: to go to the unclaimed money money pot. You're welcome,

924
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 4: quarter past. Hey, this is really cool for the little ones.

925
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Speaker 4: The Warehouse is bringing the joy of Christmas to New

926
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Speaker 4: Zealand families this weekend, and honestly, this is going to slay.

927
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Speaker 4: See what I did there, sleigh Reindeers. I know it's good.

928
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Speaker 4: Santa's coming to the Warehouse and we're talking the real

929
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Speaker 4: deal here. You're gonna meet Santa. You're gonna get your

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Speaker 4: free photos, not a gimmick, completely free, no booking required,

931
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Speaker 4: but it is first in first serve, so don't leave

932
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Speaker 4: it till the last minute. And here's what makes this special,

933
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Speaker 4: completely free Santa photos, no appointments, no sitting fees, no hassle,

934
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Speaker 4: just pure Christmas magic for the caddies. Your little ones

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Speaker 4: are gonna love it. Those special moments with Santa captured

936
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Speaker 4: forever and all thanks to the Warehouse bringing that Christmas

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Speaker 4: spirit to life. So grab the keddies, grab the family,

938
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Speaker 4: pick whichever's closer. Head on down for some festive fun,

939
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Speaker 4: free Santa photos, first in first serve. Whatever you're into

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Speaker 4: this Christmas, you're going to find at the Warehouse, including

941
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Speaker 4: magical memories with the Big Man himself.

942
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Speaker 1: Heather duper c Ala, Nicko Lerwilli's.

943
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Speaker 4: Finance minister with us after six o'clock. It's nineteen past five.

944
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Speaker 4: Now do you remember that christ Church Crematorium that has

945
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 4: started offering water cremations. Turns out people quite like this idea.

946
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 4: Since they started offering the service in June, seventy five

947
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 4: percent of their cremation customers have chosen the water option.

948
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Speaker 4: Andrew Bell is a co director of the crematorium and

949
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 4: he's with us now, Hi, Andrew, Hey, Heather, how are

950
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 4: you doing? I'm well, thank you. Why are people so

951
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 4: into it?

952
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 7: Well, there's a couple of reasons. There's the environmental benefit

953
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 7: is one, just a lack of carbon that goes into

954
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 7: the atmosphere from the process. There's also a preference some

955
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 7: people don't like the idea of fire and prefer water

956
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 7: over that. And then yeah, just suspetal with some people.

957
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 4: So if it's such a big business for you at

958
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 4: the minute, is it going to get bigger?

959
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 7: I imagine it will. I mean we won't expecting. The response,

960
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 7: to be honest, that we had from it seventy five

961
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 7: percent straight away was quite quite more, a bit more

962
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 7: than what we're expecting. And I mean last month we

963
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 7: were ninety percent water cremation. So it's it seems to

964
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 7: be on the app.

965
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 4: I mean this, it seems to be like, I mean,

966
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 4: you know, it's not my business, but it seems to

967
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 4: me like this must be a much easier option for

968
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 4: you guys, Like you don't have to get that fire

969
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 4: burning really hot to track someone.

970
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 7: Let's just there aren't no health and safety concerns with

971
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 7: the system that we've got. It does seem to be

972
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 7: a little bit easier to operate.

973
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would imagine, Hey, best of luck that and

974
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 4: I'm pleased to hear it's going well. That's Andrew Bell,

975
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 4: co director of christ Church Water Cremation hither on the

976
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 4: Cook Island thing? Is the solution here maybe to take

977
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 4: away the citizenship and take away all the rights and

978
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 4: then see what happens to Mark Brown? Do you know

979
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 4: what I had had you not wandered, I'd wandered about this.

980
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 4: I wandered, hmm, if taking eighteen million dollars away in

981
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 4: eight is not going to change Mark Brown's we can't

982
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 4: fight money with me, but we can't fight the Chinese

983
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 4: on money. Can We could take all the money away

984
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 4: from the cocks not gonna make a job of difference,

985
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 4: because the Chinese of deep pockets and they'll just replace it.

986
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 4: So surely what you have to do is threaten to

987
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 4: take away the one thing that actually you do have

988
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 4: that the Chinese don't have, which is New Zealand citizenship

989
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 4: and superannuation and visa free travel and stuff. And maybe

990
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 4: then people get really whoo awake to what's going on

991
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 4: and they toss Mark Brown out of office. Anyway, we'll

992
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 4: talk to TENA Brown, no relation, who's the leader of

993
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 4: the opposition over there? After half past five twenty.

994
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: One, Hard questions, strong opinion, Heather dup Cell and drive

995
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: with one New Zealand Tan the power of satellite mobile

996
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 2: news dogs'd behither.

997
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 4: I searched on the unclaimed money site in Australia and

998
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 4: I found three thousand dollars oh to me from fifteen

999
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 4: years ago and one hundred dollars oh to my late

1000
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 4: uncle from a travel agent. If you've worked or lived

1001
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 4: in Australia for a time, just still get the money.

1002
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 4: The system works. How good is that five point twenty

1003
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 4: four Well, at least someone's resigned at the BBC. In fact,

1004
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,479
Speaker 4: two have resigned, both a Director General and the boss

1005
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 4: of News. And the fact that this bias scandal that

1006
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 4: the BBC has claimed two of the most senior executives there.

1007
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 4: Tells you how serious it is. And it's not just

1008
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 4: serious for the BBC, too serious basically for all the

1009
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 4: mainstream media outlets in the English speaking world. Because even

1010
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 4: though the rest of us didn't splice together two pieces

1011
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 4: of what Donald Trump said to make it sound like

1012
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 4: he was encouraging his followers to take a fight to

1013
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 4: the capital, and even though the rest of US didn't

1014
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 4: hire the son of a Hamas official to voice a

1015
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 4: documentary about Gaza, many of us take the BBC's content,

1016
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 4: don't we, often unchecked. There are some media organizations out

1017
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 4: there that are so beyond reproach that other media outlets

1018
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 4: like ourselves will take their content and not reverify it

1019
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 4: because it's the BBC. It's the BBC, you don't have

1020
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 4: to re verify it. Well, if they are infected by bias,

1021
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 4: we all become infected by bias, don't we. Whether it's

1022
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 4: their obvious bias on Gaza, their bias on trans issues,

1023
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 4: their bias on Trump, which they have been well and

1024
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 4: truly busted for. They're biased, becomes everybody else's bias because

1025
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 4: we're taking their content. This is the kind of stuff

1026
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 4: that has crashed and still can tinues to crash public

1027
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 4: trust in the media. Because if you thought that the

1028
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 4: media was unfair on Trump, now you've been proven right.

1029
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 4: If you thought that the media was soft on Hamas,

1030
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 4: now you've been proven right. If you thought that there

1031
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 4: was all this stuff going on where the media had

1032
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 4: fixed views on Tras issues, now you've been proven right.

1033
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 4: All you need to do is look at that whistleblower's

1034
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 4: dossier that was leaked last week. For the most part,

1035
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 4: that will explain all of it to you. And by

1036
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 4: the way, as a member of the media, my faith

1037
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 4: in the BBC has been really eroded by what's just happened,

1038
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 4: not just because they sliced together two pieces of Trump's

1039
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 4: speech to make him say something he didn't say, but

1040
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 4: because they knew it and sat on it for so long.

1041
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 4: This happened a year ago. It happened a year ago.

1042
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 4: It took a whistleblower's frustration to eventually write a dossier

1043
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 4: and then to leak it explicitly because the BBC weren't

1044
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 4: doing anything about it. For the BBC to actually do

1045
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 4: something about it, like the resignations that we've seen in

1046
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 4: the last twenty four hours. It's not good enough what's

1047
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 4: happened at the BBC and Jesus, this is how media

1048
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 4: outlets are still behaving in twenty twenty five DIC but

1049
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 4: all the evidence that they are losing public trust. It's

1050
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 4: gonna take a really long time for us all to

1051
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 4: get it back together.

1052
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: Duplessy Ellen look to the.

1053
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 4: Huddle about it shortly when they're with us, Can I

1054
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 4: just guys, how has it taken us till this year

1055
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 4: to honor Sam Neil at the New Zealand Screen Awards

1056
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 4: with the Screen a Llegend Award. So it's just been

1057
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 4: announced that he's gonna get one this year. I thought, well, yeah,

1058
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 4: fair enough. I mean there's probably been a cue of luminaries.

1059
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 4: Well last year Dame Julie Christy fair enough, year before

1060
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 4: Oscar Kiteli, fair enough, but like a lot younger than

1061
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 4: Sam Neil. So how come he came before Sam Neil?

1062
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 4: Janine morel gunn Yep, fair enough? Ian Mune How did

1063
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 4: he come before Sam Neil? Andrew sure? Who even is

1064
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 4: that Shortland Street?

1065
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 22: What?

1066
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 4: Anyway? So I'm just I'm just wanting to raise your

1067
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 4: awareness about the fact that I think Sam Neil has

1068
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 4: been hard done by us. I mean, the man has

1069
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 4: got an Emmy, he's got a Golden Globe nomination, you know,

1070
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 4: like he's got actual proper gongs to his line. And

1071
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 4: finally he will complete it with a screen Legend Awards.

1072
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 4: But man, it's taken us too long, isn't it. Anyway,

1073
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 4: Let's go to the cock's nests and then the hud

1074
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 4: Off News Talks.

1075
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Speaker 1: Had been the name you trusted to get the answers

1076
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: you need.

1077
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage

1078
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 2: like no one else news talk.

1079
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: They'd be.

1080
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 20: Her mom.

1081
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Speaker 4: Danney described the other day as jasindada and with a beard.

1082
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 4: Thank you, Steven's. That's an image, isn't it. Hey? Have

1083
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 4: you heard about what's going on in Auckland in terms

1084
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 4: of the old department store Here we were saying, oh,

1085
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 4: it's the end of department stores. Faradays is set to

1086
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Speaker 4: open a department store at one three to one Queen

1087
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Speaker 4: Street in Auckland. I know, it's like what happened with

1088
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 4: Smith and Goey's. These guys are opening mid next year.

1089
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 4: We're going to talk to the chief executive of Faradays

1090
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Speaker 4: after six right, now it's twenty four away from.

1091
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Speaker 2: Six Friday Sports title with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty

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Speaker 2: find You're one of a kind.

1093
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Speaker 4: With the balancing act, So I suppose that I have

1094
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 4: to be able to put my truth out there.

1095
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 23: So I'm in my conscious space. I've never been so

1096
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 23: conscious of my life.

1097
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 20: That was a.

1098
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 22: Nervous moment for Elie Tatoo.

1099
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 24: I think all the staff and teammates were holding their breath.

1100
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 22: I think he's okay, but.

1101
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 25: Irena Sublanca is a dangerous tennis player. I'm not taking

1102
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 25: her lightly, but I am. I am very confident. You know,

1103
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 25: sixteen players, pretty much sixteen players that have ever walked

1104
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 25: this earth have beaten the Big four four and I'm

1105
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 25: one of them.

1106
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 4: All right, Sports tattle this evening, Nick Beuley News Talk

1107
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 4: z'd be christ Church sports reader and Levina Good sports journalist.

1108
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 4: Hell are you too?

1109
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 15: Did I hear that?

1110
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 4: Levina? Is there any world in which Ali Katoa should

1111
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 4: have been allowed on the field after that head knock? Ah?

1112
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 23: It was horrendous, Like between you and I head A,

1113
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 23: I think someone really needed to step in nice and early.

1114
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 23: If you've had a clear head knock in the warm up.

1115
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 23: That should be game over, no debate whatsoever. We've got

1116
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 23: to get past this whole. She'll be right, mate. Culture,

1117
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 23: I mean, player safety is there's nothing more than player safety.

1118
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 23: That's like when it comes to optional it's just about

1119
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 23: player safety. And when a player ends up in surgery

1120
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 23: after being cleared to play, that tells you that the

1121
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 23: protocols or the like, the courage to enforce them, they

1122
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 23: just weren't good enough. Like it was horrendous. It shouldn't

1123
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 23: have happened. He literally had fluid drained from his brain

1124
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 23: and it wasn't right. And if it was a relative

1125
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 23: of mine or a friend of mine, I would have

1126
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 23: said you're not playing, buddy, And that got lost.

1127
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't understand how this happened because the very people

1129
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 4: who should have kept him off the field, which are

1130
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 4: the medical team, actually assisted him after this.

1131
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 18: Yeah.

1132
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Speaker 26: I think that's where the confusion reigns, isn't it Hither

1133
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 26: Because the Toland coach, Christian Wilf, immediately after that game

1134
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 26: said all protocols were followed and he was very comfortable

1135
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 26: with too, what he's described as very experienced sports doctors

1136
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 26: clearing Ali Catala to play and then later earlier this

1137
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 26: week or a few days later, we're then told no,

1138
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 26: if we hadn't seen the vision from the warm up incident,

1139
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 26: we wouldn't have let him back on the field. It

1140
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 26: seems like a real blame game at the moment, but

1141
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 26: as Levin said, I think fundamentally it comes down to

1142
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 26: a duty of care around the team, management, around teammates. Look,

1143
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 26: I've even I've even heard it suggested that perhaps the

1144
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 26: host broadcast are given they aired the pictures in the pregame,

1145
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 26: someone should have someone should have done more from a

1146
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 26: host broadcaster standpoint to go, look, if we're if we're

1147
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 26: putting these pictures to air, perhaps someone should go, hey, guys,

1148
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 26: just in case you haven't seen this, this is pretty

1149
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 26: damning and.

1150
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 4: This guy shouldn't play well. Surely, surely these images.

1151
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 26: From the broadcast truck can easily be brought up on

1152
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 26: a phone and iPad down to it.

1153
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 4: But I'm a medical.

1154
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 26: Doctor, a team trainer on a uniform.

1155
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 4: The medical doctor in the tongue and uniform is looking

1156
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 4: at this guy and going, nah, you're all good. They

1157
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 4: had all the people around that.

1158
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 26: That's the bit I'm not one hundred percent clear on

1159
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 26: because of the way. I've seen some reporting where they're

1160
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 26: backtracked on that during the week, and I think that's

1161
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 26: where it gets. It's got even more confusing. And this

1162
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 26: is just a total rarity where you know, we're used

1163
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 26: to obviously the HIA process during the game, but it's

1164
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 26: clear as day that there needs to be something a

1165
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 26: lot more stringent and enforced in the warm up because

1166
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 26: he should the game.

1167
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 6: I'm really late.

1168
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 23: My doctor's just saying it couldn't about me.

1169
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 4: Too, right, do you reckon, Levina? Heads can roll?

1170
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 15: Like?

1171
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 4: Should heads roll over?

1172
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 11: This?

1173
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 4: Is it at that level? Or is this just something

1174
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 4: that we I don't know, have to take take it

1175
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 4: take a learning from.

1176
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 23: Well, I mean there's plenty of things we can take

1177
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 23: learning from when it comes to advocacy and you know,

1178
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 23: when we're at a board level and when to get

1179
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 23: protocols right. But to be honest, anyone and Nick, I

1180
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 23: know you saw the footage and the rest of the

1181
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 23: country I was with sporting fans that don't watch sport

1182
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 23: at all and watched it and thought it was during

1183
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 23: the match and went, WHOA, wow, he's gone, he won't

1184
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 23: be playing. I'm like, actually, it was the warm up,

1185
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 23: but no, he won't be playing. Then he turns up

1186
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 23: to play. It was ridiculous and honestly in terms of

1187
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 23: in terms of player care and also like grass grass

1188
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 23: grass roots rugby league as well, it's not the sort

1189
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 23: of thing that we want to advocate to our kids

1190
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 23: that it's okay to play. You'll be right, be tolf

1191
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 23: be tof get out there and do it. I mean

1192
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 23: it was a serious injury. He should never have played.

1193
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 23: And I do think the doctors should be interviewed. I

1194
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 23: think they should be held accountable because anyone that gave

1195
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 23: the tick to that box for him to play made

1196
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 23: a wrong decision too.

1197
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 4: Right now, Nick, what do you think about this T

1198
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 4: twenty idea? Do you like it?

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Speaker 15: Look?

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00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 26: This has been bubbling away for a week while, hasn't

1201
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 26: it with the Super Smash, whether it's for purpose of

1202
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 26: course coming to a change in the broadcast arrangement with

1203
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 26: New Zealand Cricket moving back to Sky after this from

1204
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 26: TVNZ and it just felt like something had to be

1205
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 26: done with our T twenty competition when you compare it

1206
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 26: to I know we're a small country by it by comparison,

1207
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 26: but it's nothing, you know, I can't hold a candle

1208
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 26: to the IPL or the Big Bash or one hundred

1209
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 26: or anything like that. So to hear that there is

1210
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 26: a bit of private money and equity interested in changing

1211
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 26: the landscape of T twenty cricket is not a total shock.

1212
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 26: It is a little bit surprising. I suppose that it

1213
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 26: sounds like it's got universal support from the six major associations,

1214
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 26: the domestic regions across the country. So look, while there

1215
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 26: might be some resistance a little bit higher up apps

1216
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 26: at the governing body New Zealand Cricket level, if they're

1217
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 26: if they're saying, hey, our own domestic product isn't good enough,

1218
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 26: we want to change. I think that that strikes to

1219
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 26: me anyway. That's that that change is coming. And to

1220
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 26: be fair, when you look at the Super Smash, yes,

1221
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 26: it's a nice product in terms of you know, it

1222
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 26: just feels like a nice day at a summer location,

1223
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 26: sort of barbecue vibes. But you know, operationally of her,

1224
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 26: you know it runs at a pretty big loss. So

1225
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 26: something has to be done, whether it's something in between.

1226
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 26: I know there's been reports to join the Big Bash.

1227
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 26: I think change is coming, but this sounds quite interesting.

1228
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 26: I'm intrigued to see where it lands.

1229
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, Levina, I don't know. The Super Smash is it?

1230
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 4: I never watch it? Do you watch it?

1231
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 25: Yeah?

1232
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 23: I do, I do watch it. And I also I

1233
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 23: think the Super Smash Australia with the women's competition for

1234
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 23: years that outrated everything that happened here in New Zealand

1235
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 23: when it came to football or other minor sports that

1236
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 23: in terms of key we politics. This is good old stuff,

1237
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 23: isn't it. Netbal New Zealand would be loving this attention

1238
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 23: right now, and the provinces are saying they want more money,

1239
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 23: more attention, and they're decided maybe in a way I guess,

1240
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 23: to make their own fun and you can see they're

1241
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 23: absolutely considering it, maybe backing it. They might feel ignored

1242
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 23: by the current setup. I don't know if this rebel

1243
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 23: league promises more control, but it might promise more cash

1244
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 23: closer to home. The thing is, the thing is there's

1245
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 23: an early buzz, but unless it locks in TV money

1246
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 23: and top players, it risks kind of just going way

1247
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 23: over the backside or the breakaway league and there'll be

1248
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 23: no coverage and there'll be no fans and it won't happen.

1249
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 23: So they need the coverage. They want the money and

1250
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 23: everyone's talking about it at the moment. It's the buzz trap.

1251
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 4: Yep, totally. All right, let's take a break that you

1252
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:22,760
Speaker 4: guys come back shortly seventeen away.

1253
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: From six.

1254
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global

1255
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: leader in luxury real estate.

1256
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 4: They're seeing away from six back of the huddle, right, Josie,

1257
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 4: what's your take on the salaries.

1258
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 24: Look, I don't mind people being paid what they're worth

1259
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 24: if they're making making a lot of money for the company.

1260
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 24: I think what New Zealanders don't like is when you

1261
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 24: find out that, you know, the former head of Fonterra

1262
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 24: who lost god knows how many million was paid, you

1263
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 24: know job, and the same with you know, Fletcher Building

1264
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 24: where there's it. So I think it's just it's more

1265
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 24: that there's just this sort of auto feel that you

1266
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 24: kind of just get more money if you're in those roles.

1267
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 24: But with the banks fits some of it. You know,

1268
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 24: part of the problem here is that they're making a

1269
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 24: profit when we're in one of the worst recessions in

1270
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 24: a long time. Insolvencies have gone up about one thousand

1271
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 24: percent unemployment's gone up, so it's not really a sign

1272
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 24: that the economy is doing well.

1273
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 4: I don't believe that.

1274
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 24: And I also think, you know, there's still a problem

1275
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 24: in the lack of competition in the banking sector. I mean,

1276
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 24: ninety percent are Australian owned banks.

1277
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 4: Nicolak and Fixus. At six o'clock she will, we'll ask

1278
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 4: her about that. Okay, Trish, what do you think happens

1279
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 4: next with the Malori Party? Do they because tudoroff Level

1280
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 4: was on the show earlier said he thinks that they're

1281
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 4: going to go for the Walker jumping or do they

1282
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 4: do that?

1283
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 10: Well, it's a it's a very critical strategic question for

1284
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 10: two Party Maori. And here's why. So invoking the Waker

1285
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 10: Jumping bill is easy for them, that's the easy part.

1286
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 10: So what they have to do is they have to

1287
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 10: get two thirds of their caucus to agree. They take

1288
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 10: it to Speaker Brownly. As long as they've followed the

1289
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 10: process and they've got the two thirds effectively, he then

1290
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 10: rubber stamps it right, so that then triggers they can

1291
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 10: of seats and two by elections. Here's the tricky bit

1292
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 10: for to party Maori. You are a tiny party you

1293
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 10: are absolutely fractured. We know they've got no dough and

1294
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 10: their bleeding members because of all the disunity. If they

1295
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 10: go for two by elections before the general election, I

1296
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 10: would put money on it that Mariomeeno and takut would

1297
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 10: stand again. So to Party Malori would have to stand

1298
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 10: candidates against those two and who else is going to

1299
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Speaker 10: want those seats?

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Speaker 4: Lay Labor.

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Speaker 10: Labour wants those seats back. That would be an absolute

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Speaker 10: gift to Labor. And if Labor could win them in

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Speaker 10: two by elections before the general election, highly likely they

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Speaker 10: will win them again in the general election, and so

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Speaker 10: to Party Maori would have actually put a risk two

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Speaker 10: very valuable seats.

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Speaker 24: So the alternative then is that they end up in

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Speaker 24: parliament within a sense to Marori parties, and then they've

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Speaker 24: got to differentiate themselves. I think this point you were making,

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Speaker 24: Heather is it's hard to see what the differences between

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Speaker 24: Rahwari and Debbi and Takuta and Maria Mino.

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Speaker 4: And a difference be that Maria Meno and Takuta because

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Speaker 4: they will not be They're not trying to become part

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Speaker 4: of a Labor lead government, so they can afford to

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Speaker 4: be as radical as you like, whereas these are the lot.

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Speaker 4: Now I have to tack a little bit to the.

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Speaker 24: Same and I think both both parties I'm already calling

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Speaker 24: them to parties and I want to kind of feel

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Speaker 24: that this is a positive thing, that Mary politics is

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Speaker 24: fracturing in a way that it is healthy. Right, it's

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Speaker 24: not one voice for Mari. But it just feels like

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Speaker 24: you've got two basically ethno nationalist parties.

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Speaker 4: That's what you've got.

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Speaker 24: And you know, I mean Takuta said during the by election,

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Speaker 24: you know he doesn't want Pakier and Indians and sind

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Speaker 24: Islanders voting in a Mari Electric. Well, now it seems

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Speaker 24: there are some Mari who don't want Mary to vote

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Speaker 24: in a Mari Electric.

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Speaker 4: So it's just not getting very confusing.

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Speaker 24: It's a bit like, you know, the People's Judaeas Front

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Speaker 24: against the Judaea's People's Front. But I would hope I

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Speaker 24: think you're right. I think it might push to party

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Speaker 24: Mari into being the parliamentary voice of again, and they

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Speaker 24: start to be a little bit more respectful of parliament.

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Speaker 24: And maybe it pushes whatever party Takuta and Barriamno decide

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Speaker 24: to call themselves into being the kind of radical out

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Speaker 24: of parliament parties and they'll be gone.

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Speaker 10: Well, the risk is for them though, and I think

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Speaker 10: this is actually a high likelihood now. Voters, it doesn't

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Speaker 10: matter what stripe they are, they publish. They punish disunity

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Speaker 10: the hardest, and I think that their reality to Party

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Speaker 10: Maria is steering down now is that they could lose

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Speaker 10: their party being in parliament totally. I don't think anyone

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Speaker 10: in that party currently understands what it takes to get

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Speaker 10: an activist grouping and actually get it into parliament, like

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Speaker 10: Tariana did, and like Peta Sharpouls.

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Speaker 24: Did and he sounded great, so reasonable.

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Speaker 10: There's only one party that has managed to come back

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Speaker 10: from being kicked out of parliament, and that's New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: First.

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Speaker 10: They've done it twice.

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Speaker 4: But as we know Winston.

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Speaker 10: Peter's he defies political GRAVI. So the likelihood of that

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Speaker 10: happening for Party Marii is, I think is very low.

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Speaker 10: And I've heard from several people over the weekend who

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Speaker 10: are in and around this and have been working behind

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Speaker 10: the scenes for Party Marie for years. They are heartbroken

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Speaker 10: at what's happening because they can see the very live

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Speaker 10: possibility that they're going to lose everything.

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Speaker 24: That was always going to happen. I mean, I like

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Speaker 24: that quote that Penni said during the last by election

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Speaker 24: where he said they need more action less hucker. And

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Speaker 24: that's the problem, all right, guys, and spread invasionator by

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Speaker 24: the way, just quickly does John Palmer had a need

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Speaker 24: to go?

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Speaker 4: Will he goes? Guys. I'm not going to say.

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Speaker 10: What I'm going to say is I think from a

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Speaker 10: unity point of view, he he does, and to allow

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Speaker 10: the party to move on. I think financially the party

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Speaker 10: is tied to John Tomahery and that's why he's staying

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Speaker 10: in it.

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Speaker 20: Huh.

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Speaker 24: And it's also got you know, is his son in law,

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Speaker 24: his daughter's you know, involved in the party.

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Speaker 4: It's massy. It's messy, all right, guys, thanks, thank you

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Speaker 4: very much, appreciate it. Trish sheherson Joseph beganni our huddle.

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Speaker 4: This evening seven away from.

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Speaker 2: Six, it's the Heather Duplas Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: on my Heart Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 4: Listen, I need to tell you after half past six,

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Speaker 4: we're going to talk to a chap called Edwin Paul,

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Speaker 4: who is of the Indian New Zealand Business Council. He

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Speaker 4: reckons if you're running an export business, listen to this.

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Speaker 4: He reckons businesses need to prepare for an FTA free

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01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 4: trade deal with India in the first half of next year.

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Speaker 4: So what exactly how you prepare for something like that,

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01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 4: It's beyond me, but he knows. So he's going to

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Speaker 4: be this US after half past six word chat to him.

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Speaker 4: Here the very interesting analysis of the Maori Party in

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Speaker 4: a non emotional world. Brilliant Alas, the more I think

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01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 4: about this, and the more I talk to various people

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Speaker 4: about this, the more I'm coming to the conclusion that

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Speaker 4: the problem is John palmerheaded because when you think about it,

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Speaker 4: what has that man not ruined in his life? Do

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01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? What is he not? He's

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Speaker 4: a brilliant political career, interesting radio career, just and this

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Speaker 4: just feels like another thing that he's just blowing up

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01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 4: because he's that kind of a character. Hey guess what. Also,

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Speaker 4: as Josie was walking out the door, I said to her, Josie,

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Speaker 4: do you know any other John's John Peganey's other than

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Speaker 4: the one that you're married to? And she said no,

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Speaker 4: that's the only one. I said, Well, brilliant John Peganey

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Speaker 4: has owed one hundred and ninety five dollars and four

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01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 4: cents by the A and Z Bank New Zealand. So

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Speaker 4: she's going to go claim that and take that money

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Speaker 4: for herself if she's smart. Heather, I just looked up

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Speaker 4: my name and then it gives you variant of other

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01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 4: people's name. And there's another guy called Vincent who's owed

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01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 4: over forty thousand dollars by bonus bonds. I can't find

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Speaker 4: him on social media. Here's the thing though, Ants and

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Speaker 4: I were talking about this earlier. There's a business opportunity

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Speaker 4: here is in the hands.

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Speaker 6: I think I disagreed on it because yeah, you're right, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 6: it was you. You're on the idea you go and

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Speaker 6: find the person and say hey, you owed this money.

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Speaker 17: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: The problem is what do they need you for them

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Speaker 6: or the admin?

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Speaker 4: Because I mean, look how hard it was for me

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Speaker 4: to find the link before Sam the producer had to

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Speaker 4: send it to me. And I'm I'm not even a boomer.

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Speaker 4: I was just like, oh, this is really hard.

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Speaker 6: I just yeah. But after you've shown them how to

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Speaker 6: find the link and stuff, you're just kind of relying

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Speaker 6: on their goodwill that they are going to talk at.

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Speaker 4: You in Yeah, no, no, you just got to work

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Speaker 4: this out, right, So they just they just sign a

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Speaker 4: contract with you that if you if you are able

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Speaker 4: to track this down this money for them, they'll give you,

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Speaker 4: I don't know five percent. You get Vincent's forty grand

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Speaker 4: before you know, there's two thousand.

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Speaker 6: I think everyone listening just has to send us ten percent.

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Speaker 15: Right.

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Speaker 6: That was like kind of the that was contact.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the yeah. Because you can't sign papers

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Speaker 4: over the radio, it's just assumed that you've agreed to it.

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Speaker 4: Nikola Willis is with us.

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Speaker 2: Next, we're Business who meets inside the Business Hour with

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplessy Allen and Mass Motor Vehicle Insurance.

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Speaker 1: Your futures in good Hands news talks that'd be.

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Speaker 4: Even in coming up in the next hour. Shane Solly

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Speaker 4: is going to talk us through how the markets reacted

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01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 4: to that A and Z result. The India Business Council

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01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 4: will tell us why businesses need to get ready for

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Speaker 4: an FTA and how with India obviously, and then Gavin

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Speaker 4: Gray is with us out of the UK. It's seven

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Speaker 4: past six and with us now as Nikolaulus, the Finance

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Speaker 4: Minister high Nicholer. Hi, Ever, are we going to get

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Speaker 4: an FTA with India in the first half of next year?

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Speaker 22: I am not going to get cut across the trade

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01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,919
Speaker 22: ministers negotiating timeline. But they are pushing very hard and

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01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 22: there has been a heck of a lot of work

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Speaker 22: happening and they're making good progress.

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Speaker 4: Okay, what are we going to do about these bank profits?

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Speaker 22: Well, look, as I've said in the past, there's no

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Speaker 22: silver bullet to this one. Actually, what you want is

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Speaker 22: a more competitive banking sector, so that the banks are

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Speaker 22: offering better products and services at better prices to New Zealanders.

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Speaker 22: Because I think actually a lot of people get it.

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01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 22: It's okay for business to make a profit. But normally,

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Speaker 22: if you're seeing profits of this level, you'd expect there

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Speaker 22: to have been a breakthrough new innovation, or an incredible

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01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 22: new technology that they're brought to the market, or a

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Speaker 22: huge number of new customers have come on board. But

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Speaker 22: none of that the case here.

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Speaker 7: And I found it reassuring this.

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Speaker 22: Morning to even hear Mike Hosking acknowledge that maybe I've

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Speaker 22: got a point that more competition is needed, and so

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Speaker 22: that's why we've been progressing these detailed regulatory reforms that

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Speaker 22: the Commerce Commission proposed. None of it is going to

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Speaker 22: fix it overnight, but it's really important that we get

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Speaker 22: the settings right so that people can come and eat

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01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 22: the lunch of the big guys. They can come in

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Speaker 22: and cut away at their business because they're big profits.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so some of the problems, and you've identified this

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Speaker 4: yourself as the capital requirements. In the proposals that you're

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Speaker 4: looking at the moment, do either of them reduce how

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Speaker 4: much capital they currently have to hold.

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Speaker 22: Well, at the moment, they are going to have to

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Speaker 22: ramp up how much capital they hold into the future.

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Speaker 22: So the proposals that the Reserve Bank is consulting on

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Speaker 22: would ease that ramp up. So they would do that

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Speaker 22: in different ways. They would change the nature of the

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Speaker 22: capital that they need to hold, and they would make

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Speaker 22: New Zealand more lined with other countries. We like to

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Speaker 22: compare ourselves with butt.

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Speaker 4: Aligning ourselves of the Australians, because apparently the Australian banks

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Speaker 4: have to hold less capital than we're requiring New Zealand

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Speaker 4: banks to hold.

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Speaker 22: That is correct, and that's partly because when international observers

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Speaker 22: look at New Zealand versus Australia. They think that New

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Speaker 22: Zealand is a riskier banking market and therefore our banks

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01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 22: should be required to hold more capital so that the

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Speaker 22: tax payer doesn't end up having to fund a bailout. Now,

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Speaker 22: there are arguments around how close we should be to Australia,

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Speaker 22: and that's part of what the Reserve Bank is consulting on.

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Speaker 4: Pat Do you think the Reserve Bank should consider dropping

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Speaker 4: the level because the only consideration in the moment, from

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Speaker 4: the sounds of things is increasing it.

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Speaker 22: Well, I think that the Reserve Bank should ensure that

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Speaker 22: banks are holding the minimum level of capital required for

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Speaker 22: the system to be stable. And that's a balance.

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Speaker 4: That's subjective, isn't it. I mean that is subjective because

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Speaker 4: Adrian wanted us to hold a whole lot more capital

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Speaker 4: than we are. So basically, if you're not prepared to

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Speaker 4: say yourself now, Nichola, if you're not prepared to say that,

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Speaker 4: it's go backwards than what you're accepting is we will

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Speaker 4: always play more on mortgages than the Australians do.

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Speaker 22: I'm accepting my role, Heather, which is under the way

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Speaker 22: our legislation works, the Reserve Bank is responsible for prudential

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Speaker 22: regulation making and decision making about where these rules sit.

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Speaker 22: What our legislation requires and what I, as the Minister

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Speaker 22: require is that they do what's needed for financial stability.

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Speaker 22: What I changed was I said to them, I also

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Speaker 22: want you to actually think about competition. And my remit

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Speaker 22: to them is really specific in asking them to think

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Speaker 22: a lot more about that and efficiency, and I think

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Speaker 22: that's partly what prompted them to review this. In the

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Speaker 22: absence of me being Minister, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't

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Speaker 22: be reviewing it at all.

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Speaker 4: Hey, do you know when the Maui gasfield is closing?

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Speaker 20: No?

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Speaker 6: I do not.

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Speaker 4: Nobody's told you December next year.

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Speaker 22: No, I haven't been advised of that. I actually don't

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Speaker 22: take part in cabinet decisions relating to that. Yeerance with

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Speaker 22: that case?

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Speaker 4: Oh of course, because you've got some disclaimers there.

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Speaker 7: That.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, luckily kept kebinet office rules and I apply them

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Speaker 22: in this case.

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Speaker 4: I hadn't thought about it that. Are you worried about

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Speaker 4: this though? If the Mali gas field closes and the

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Speaker 4: method ex closes, that's a big loss, isn't it.

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Speaker 22: Well, this was a huge motivator behind the government's energy

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01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 22: reforms is that we're looking ahead to a future where

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Speaker 22: we need to make sure we can keep the lights on,

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Speaker 22: and in the absence of being able to have gas

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01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 22: and coal, you've got a big problem. So that's why

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Speaker 22: Huntley now has a big coal mountain outside it, because

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Speaker 22: actually you need something to spark the lights on, and

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Speaker 22: you need to make sure that that electricity is increasingly affordable,

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Speaker 22: not unaffordable.

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Speaker 4: Hey listen on the Cox, the leader of the opposition

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01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 4: said there says this needs to basically be handled by

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Speaker 4: their Prime minister and our Prime minister's sitting down with

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Speaker 4: each other. We prepared to do that.

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Speaker 22: Well, those discussions are ongoing. I think there's been some

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Speaker 22: reporting sort of suggesting that they're on ice. That's not

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Speaker 22: the case that I understand. There's still constructive discussions happening

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Speaker 22: between the two governments, and we are still continuing a

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Speaker 22: lot of assistance to the Cook Islands, about thirty five

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Speaker 22: million in direct support for Cook Island projects. What's on

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01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 22: pause is the direct budget payments. It's a reluctant decision

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01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 22: and we are continuing to progress those discussions and we'll

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Speaker 22: obviously do that through all the appropriate channels.

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Speaker 4: Okay, and what about the Prime Minister, because it seems

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01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 4: like it's a Mark Brown v. Winnie Pee thing.

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Speaker 22: Well, I don't see it that way. I actually think

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Speaker 22: it goes to the trust between the Cook Islands and

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Speaker 22: New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: And every to bring everybody in.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I don't. Well, no, obviously Cook Island does belong

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Speaker 22: very well. No, it's a Cook Island's government issue in

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01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 22: which they broke down the level of trust between the

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Speaker 22: governments and that has been damaged because of the way

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Speaker 22: they behaved in relations to their security agreement with China.

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Speaker 22: And that is a policy issue rather than a personal issue.

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Speaker 4: Hey, when are you going to announce what assets you

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01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 4: want to sell after the next election.

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Speaker 22: Well, we've ruled out assets sales during this term of

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Speaker 22: government as a consequence of our coalition agreements. However, the

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Speaker 22: National Party will bring its own policies to the next

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Speaker 22: election Campaigny.

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Speaker 4: So is it just going to announcing the election campaign,

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Speaker 4: is it?

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Speaker 22: Well, we continue to do the work that's necessary to

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01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 22: make sure we're managing our balance sheet of assets much

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01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 22: much better than has been the case in the past.

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Speaker 22: There tends to be a lot of focus on the

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Speaker 22: commercial assets. But let's Remember we've also got hundreds of

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Speaker 22: billions of dollars worth of social assets, hospitals, schools, roads,

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01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 22: and our government and the National Party are very committed

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Speaker 22: to building more of those to allow for a growing population.

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Speaker 22: And so the question becomes, how do you fund those responsibly?

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Speaker 22: How do you make sure you can build the roads

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Speaker 22: and schools and the hospitals.

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Speaker 4: Such a simple question, Nicola, Such a simple question. You're talking, well,

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01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 4: I'm friendly. I'm friendly on this. I think we need

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01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 4: to sell assets. Is you know you can? You can

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01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 4: just answer the.

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Speaker 22: Questions so you understand where I'm coming from, which is

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01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 22: I've got a carloson agreement.

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01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 4: You've got to sell me your lines.

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01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 22: So that's pretty simple. And so when I'm talking to

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Speaker 22: you as the Finance Minister, I have to abide by

1597
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 22: my Carlos otherwise I don't get the votes to do

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01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 22: what we need to do.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Nikola, look after yourself. Talking in next week,

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Speaker 4: Nicholavella's Finance minister. What's your face? Muriamnal Murria Menal spoken

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Speaker 4: to One News. I'll play you butt next quarter.

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Speaker 1: Pass.

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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: Your futures in good hands us Talks EDB.

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Speaker 4: You are going to want to hear the texts about

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Speaker 4: people that I have made rich today. But anyway, before

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Speaker 4: we get to there, I'll do it shortly. Muddy, i'menal

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Speaker 4: A couple of Kingy's reacted to the news that she's

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Speaker 4: been expelled by the Marti Party.

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Speaker 27: It's a heartbreaking thing, actually to hear such news in

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Speaker 27: such a unethical process.

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Speaker 4: And she's pretty upset, obviously with John thamahead.

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Speaker 27: Dictators don't like people that speak against them and they'll

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Speaker 27: do everything to get rid of it.

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Speaker 4: The very last assault attack that.

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Speaker 27: The President said to me while looking at me, was

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Speaker 27: I am coming for your boys and I will.

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Speaker 1: Have utsu.

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Speaker 27: Who in their mody mind says that the.

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Speaker 4: President is John Talmahera and the boys are obviously a

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Speaker 4: reference to her sons. One news is reporting that while

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Speaker 4: Debingado Werepaka and Rahweri Wahitiiti, the co leaders have backed

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Speaker 4: the expulsion of these two MPs. The new MP or

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Speaker 4: any kite, but it is actually backing the ones who've

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Speaker 4: been expelled. And Hanna might be Rafti Clark, how Hannah

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Speaker 4: Rafti might be Clark actually is in the middle. Her

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Speaker 4: electorate abstain from the vote to expel the two MPs.

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Speaker 4: So this thing is blowing up like everything. It would

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Speaker 4: appear that on tom My head he gets his hands on.

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Speaker 4: Nineteen past six, Shane Sally Harbor Asset Management is with us. Hey, Shane, Hello,

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Speaker 4: that right. Give us the latest from the markets today.

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Speaker 28: Yep, pretty flat, quiet day here in New Zealand. We said,

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Speaker 28: New Zealand government bond year was up two basis points

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01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 28: to four point one one percent. The interesting one today

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01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 28: with New Zealand dollar. We're pretty stable against the US

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01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 28: dollar at fifty six to thirty five, but actually fell

1641
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 28: against the Australian dollar to a twenty year low of

1642
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 28: eighty six cents thirty So it's going to make your

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Speaker 28: holidays to Australia bit more expensive. Heather, there's because IBA

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01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 28: number two Andrew Houser. He said, look, we're not going

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01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 28: to cut rates in a hurry. New Zealand shre market

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01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 28: up zero point one three percent, led by a two

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01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 28: meridian and for Till main freight the spark we've got

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01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 28: Maine throat due to report Wednesday and in for Till

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01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 28: due to report Thursday. So there's a bit going on.

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Speaker 4: How are aan z's results received.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, Look, the anz to underlying cash inians result was

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01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 28: two point eighty six big in Australian, pretty big number

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01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 28: flips for the second half of twenty twenty five. It

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01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:01,679
Speaker 28: was actually slightly below expectation. Revenue a bit lighter, costs

1655
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 28: were below expectations and the bank increased loan impayments. Provisions

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01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,719
Speaker 28: are higher than expected, not because they've got a problem,

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01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:11,639
Speaker 28: because they're actually putting a bit of a hollow log

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01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 28: in place. Locally, the New Zealand a Z business looked

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01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 28: pretty solid. Revenue up to six b and for the

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01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:21,679
Speaker 28: half versus five and a half being for the previous year,

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01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 28: other than one hundred and one hundred and forty being

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01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,520
Speaker 28: a blending one hundred and sixteen b in A deposits

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01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 28: both up four percent year on year. So the New

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01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 28: Zealand business and good Health a ridge when the result

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01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 28: first come out here that the market was a bit

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Speaker 28: meh about it all. But the New a ZI chief

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Speaker 28: executiveviously nu no matters. He gave a really good rundown,

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01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 28: talked about better need ad dress margins, better cost reduction.

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01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 28: So Shaer price action unit up at its highest ever

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01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 28: price thirty seven to seventy five Australian. That's up two

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01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:51,719
Speaker 28: point six percent. So pretty good day for the AzID

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Speaker 28: share price.

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Speaker 4: And we've got Rocket Labs results out tonight. What are

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Speaker 4: you expecting there?

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Speaker 28: Yeah, looks watching this there. Rocket Lab can beat the

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Speaker 28: top end of it. It's expectations because we've seen a

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Speaker 28: really steady launch cadence inst they're getting their launches pretty regular.

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01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 28: She had four over the quarter. Looking for an improvement

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01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 28: on profit margins this new Electron rocket in terms of

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Speaker 28: how that's going, and also there's space systems back and

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01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 28: programs back up running in full production mods and markets

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01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 28: expecting better profit margins very much. Market will be looking

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Speaker 28: to see how the rocket Lab is positioned to benefit

1684
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 28: from what is an accelerating global satellite launch program and

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01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 28: how they're progressing with the new generational launch vehicles and

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01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 28: contract pipeline. Rocket Lab shop price it's pulled back from

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Speaker 28: it's October high. We had a higher US sixty nine

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01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 28: to twenty seven closed on Friday at fifty one sixty four.

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01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 28: But of course that's still well up on where it

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Speaker 28: was a year ago, which was forteen dollars sixty six.

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Speaker 4: Hey Shane, always good to talk to you, mate, Thanks

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01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:52,759
Speaker 4: so much. We'll talk to you again next week. Shane

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01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 4: solely Harbor Asset Management. Right, wait for these texts. You're

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Speaker 4: not going to I can't believe it. You're not going

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01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:00,040
Speaker 4: to believe at six twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Micro or just plain economics.

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Speaker 2: It's all on the Business hour with the Heather Duper

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Speaker 2: Clan and Mass Motor Vehicle Insurance.

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Speaker 1: Your future is in good hands us.

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Speaker 4: Talk z'd be get a load of this. This is

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01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 4: a smattering of texts that have come in since six o'clock. Heather,

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01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 4: the search indicated I mowed four than three hundred dollars

1703
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 4: if that is. If that comes through, I will deliver

1704
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 4: a bottle of red to your studio. SID you're on

1705
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 4: and you're welcome here. The four hundred and forty one

1706
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 4: dollars coming my way from Bonus Bonds. Thanks Dion, Heather,

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01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 4: thank you for mentioning the unclaim money at the ID

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01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 4: four hundred and thirty dollars from me cheers from Tony

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01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 4: here the OMG, it can't be me, but maybe it is.

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01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 4: It's showing I could be owed over eleven thousand dollars

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01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 4: from A and Z. I have a mortgage with AMZ.

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01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 4: So Marcia, maybe it is. You hear the yep? Just

1713
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 4: check the Unclaim Money ID website. Got two old accounts

1714
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 4: with a total of five hundred dollars. That's from Gary here,

1715
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 4: the holy crap. I wasn't going to bother searching the

1716
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,719
Speaker 4: ID website, but I thought why not? And I mowed

1717
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 4: six hundred and ninety dollars from a former employer. Thank you.

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01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: Do you know what?

1719
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 4: The was doing more to help the cost of living

1720
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 4: crisis than the National Party? What do you think? Six

1721
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 4: twenty six.

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01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,759
Speaker 1: There's no business like show business.

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01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 4: When a chat Cindy, Cyndi lauper not al Cindy sound

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Speaker 4: like rock and roll to you? Not me, But apparently

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Speaker 4: according to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, this

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Speaker 4: is rock and roll. She was inducted into the Rock

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Speaker 4: and Roll Hall of Fame alongside Outcast again, not hip hop,

1728
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 4: Sound Gard and the White Stripes and Salt and Pepper

1729
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 4: again not not rock and roll. Hip hop Brother Chapel

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01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 4: Rohan was the one to induct Lauper, but she had

1731
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 4: a bit of trouble reading the tellyprompter.

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Speaker 29: I messed up so bad by refusing to get contacts.

1733
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 29: Holyca It's that courage that not only creates incredible art,

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Speaker 29: it gives everyone who experiences the premission to be themselves.

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Speaker 4: And then Cyndi Lauper gave a nice speech about how

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Speaker 4: she still thinks rock and roll can change the world.

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Speaker 11: I know that I stare on the shoulders of the

1738
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 11: women in the industry that came before me, and my

1739
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 11: shoulders are broad enough to have the women that come

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Speaker 11: after me stand on mine.

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Speaker 4: Who thought she sounded like that? Not me anyway. She

1742
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 4: went on to sing her song Time after Time, which

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01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 4: is a banger with Ray and there's an artist by

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01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 4: the way, and then she gave us another performance of

1745
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 4: girl Just Want to Have Fun with Avril Levine and

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01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 4: an all female band and other artists who perform on

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01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 4: the night also included Dojah, Cat, Stevie Wonder, Teddy Swims,

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01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 4: Brandy Carlisle, Elton John, Eggy Pop, and Olivia Olivia Rodrico.

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01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 4: Which is just an absolute all star hit list in it,

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01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 4: but also outcast is not rock and roll.

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01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 6: I feel like out of those names you just read,

1752
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 6: like maybe half of them you could consider rock and roll.

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01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 4: It's not rock and roll like this is.

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01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 6: Really it's a very broad definition of rock and roll.

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01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 4: They look at all music. Nick Miner, Beethoven's in there too. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: Let's talk next about the India FTA happening before midway

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01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 4: through next year.

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Speaker 30: FU everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business

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01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 30: Hour with Head, the duper c Allen and Mass motor

1760
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 30: vehicle insurance.

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01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:18,759
Speaker 1: Your futures in good hands. Used talks 'd be so Judith.

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01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 4: So can you come.

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01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 2: Again.

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01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 4: Ray's going to be at us in ten minutes time

1765
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 4: because obviously we're going to talk about the BBC and

1766
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 4: everything that's gone down there in the last twenty four hours.

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01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 4: It's twenty five away from seven now. Key we business

1768
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 4: leaders are being told to do their homework right now

1769
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 4: in order to get the most out of a free

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01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,679
Speaker 4: trade agreement with India when it's hopefully signed next year.

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01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 4: India's Commerce and Industry Minister was in the country last

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Speaker 4: week for the latest round of trade talks, which is

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01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 4: the fifth round of talks in just seven months. Edwin

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01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,759
Speaker 4: Paul is the chair of the India New Zealand Business

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Speaker 4: Council and with us. Hello Edwin Killer, Heather, Hello you,

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01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 4: hell yeah, very welcome. Listen to you were in some

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01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 4: of the meetings. Do you reckon we can get a

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01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 4: deal done early next year?

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01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 31: I think so, But I have to clarify my position.

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01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 31: So this is not an official position of any government

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01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,599
Speaker 31: agency or the Business Council. But however, reading the room

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01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 31: and listening to the chatter, connecting the dots, it's a learned,

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01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 31: learned opinion on recognizing some very strong signals and I

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01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 31: think putting those things together it As a businessman, I

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01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 31: would say it's good to expect in an FTA sometime

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01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 31: in the early part of next year.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Now, if we don't know what's going to be

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01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 4: in the FTA, how can a business prepare for business

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01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:34,799
Speaker 4: with India?

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01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 31: Oh, that's an excellent question. I mean, the contents of

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01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 31: the FTA itself is left to the experts. I don't

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01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 31: think even I'm qualified as a businessman to make any

1793
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 31: opinion on that, So that's left to the negotiators. It

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01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 31: has farley asked implications. But what an FTR primarily provides

1795
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 31: is market access. Market access to an economy that's currently

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01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 31: fifth in the world and to be the third largest

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01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 31: in by twenty third. So I think for any KIV

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01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 31: business at this stage is to think of not as

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01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:07,560
Speaker 31: to what are the line items in the FDA, but

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01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 31: to prepare for what does the market of India offer

1801
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 31: to my business and what opportunities lie there. This will

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01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 31: happen I mean six months, twelve months, whenever, But whenever

1803
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 31: this happens, for it's good for New Zealand businesses to

1804
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 31: have an India strategy and in anticipation of that market access.

1805
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 4: So basically, if you're already exporting to India, just basically

1806
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 4: be prepared to export a whole lot more. Yeah.

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01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 31: Yeah, And there could be a significant difference in your tariff.

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01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 31: For instance, if your current tariff was about thirty percent

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01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 31: on a product like honey and if it comes down

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01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 31: to fifteen, that's a very comfortable margin for an operator

1811
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 31: to either person to the Inde consumer or to you know,

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01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 31: keep it as mild and the profits. So is fairly significant.

1813
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 4: From sitting in those meetings. Absolutely, it is. From sitting

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01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 4: in those meetings, do you think we're going to get

1815
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 4: greater access to dary.

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01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 31: Or I wouldn't want to do the comment on that, Heather,

1817
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 31: simply because these are negotiations and these are happening in negotiations,

1818
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 31: cards are kept quite quite close to the chest. I

1819
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 31: don't want to risk any comment on this side, and

1820
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 31: I don't think people who are not experts should be

1821
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 31: weighing in on this. This is at a very big

1822
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 31: The deal is pretty big, the overall deal, and there

1823
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 31: are experts who are already at a very advanced stage.

1824
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 31: And I wouldn't want to get into any sectoral conversations

1825
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 31: on this sage.

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01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 4: Here's the thing, right, the last time we rushed and

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01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 4: FTA was with Europe, and it was because just Cinda

1828
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 4: wanted to be able to announce it while she was there,

1829
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 4: and it turned to something, Oh, it is a bit

1830
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 4: of a dog, isn't it is there?

1831
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:41,600
Speaker 3: Are you?

1832
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 4: Are you seeing the same thing?

1833
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 25: Like?

1834
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 4: Is there a risk here that by rushing it with

1835
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 4: India we end up with something we regret?

1836
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 8: Oh?

1837
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 31: I don't think so specifically. I mean, I mean we

1838
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 31: don't want to preasure the process in any way we do.

1839
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 31: I don't think any of the players, both from the

1840
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 31: India side and This is just my personal observation. The

1841
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 31: leading of the room right, So both from the Indian

1842
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 31: side on the New Zealand side, there is no pressure

1843
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 31: to rush it. It's very complex negotiations, the frequency of

1844
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 31: the negotiation, the rounds of negotiations. They've had five till now,

1845
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 31: so those are all happening. So I don't think it

1846
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 31: is being treated lightly. It's a fairly significant FDA and

1847
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 31: all of us are prepared. I mean if I spoke

1848
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:26,559
Speaker 31: at one of those events when I told the minister

1849
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 31: that we are prepared for even a no FTA situation.

1850
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 31: But how India is a market or an FTA further

1851
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,640
Speaker 31: twelve months down the line. But reading the room and

1852
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 31: how the stars are aligning and how the different aspects

1853
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 31: are the dots are connected, I think it's going to

1854
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:42,679
Speaker 31: be fairly soon.

1855
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 4: Jared has a question for you. Do you have any

1856
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,759
Speaker 4: idea what India needs from us? They are to beefeating country,

1857
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 4: they do not require dairy products, so what is.

1858
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:55,600
Speaker 31: It, oh India. Treating India is a non not a

1859
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,680
Speaker 31: beefeeding country is a very naive assumption. I mean, if

1860
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 31: you look kept the number of beef eaters alone in

1861
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 31: India that would be more than the population of New Zealand.

1862
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 31: That's the market, says, and those are the kind of

1863
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 31: mindsets that TV businesses need to get over. I mean,

1864
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 31: it's a huge market, a market that's larger than all

1865
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 31: of your are put together. And we look at okay

1866
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 31: beef if you're talking about prime cut beefs, there is

1867
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 31: a market that's much bigger than New Zealand to supply.

1868
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 4: To brilliant when it's good to talk to you and

1869
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 4: best of luck with everything. As Eden Paul, chair of

1870
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 4: the Indian New Zealand Business Council, twenty away from seven

1871
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 4: for cl Yeah, I'm fascinated by AI, as you know,

1872
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 4: and I'm fascinated by what is going on the moment

1873
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 4: because AI is trying very very hard well, the companies

1874
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 4: that are running the AI obviously, especially the large language

1875
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 4: models and stuff, trying very hard to make it safe

1876
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 4: because obviously it's been a lot of bad publicity with

1877
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,640
Speaker 4: you know, AI assisting people with suicide and stuff like that.

1878
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 4: So what they've done is that they've started to put

1879
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,599
Speaker 4: in some security measures to try to basically avoid people

1880
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 4: using AI to do dangerous things like create gross, grubby,

1881
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 4: creepy Gevin mix skimming images, do you know what I mean?

1882
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 4: So what they've done is they've for and what I'm

1883
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 4: about to tell you is how people get how easily

1884
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,759
Speaker 4: people get around it, which just makes you go, what's

1885
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 4: the point?

1886
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 15: Right?

1887
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:15,959
Speaker 4: So what they've done is they've banned words like breasts

1888
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,600
Speaker 4: and lingerie some of the models if you're trying to

1889
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 4: generate images, but you can use what's called algo text.

1890
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:26,600
Speaker 4: Algo text is a form of language. It refers to

1891
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 4: basically what language is doing in order to be able

1892
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 4: to accommodate computer algorithms. So algo text in this instance

1893
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,640
Speaker 4: is you don't write lingerie properly. You drop the e

1894
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 4: off the back. And so if you drop the e

1895
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:40,799
Speaker 4: off the back, guess what it gives you pictures of lingerie.

1896
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 4: So lingerie the word is is banned, but lingerie without

1897
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 4: the e is not banned, and it will get you

1898
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 4: what you want. How nuts is that you can instead?

1899
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 4: If you can't use the word lingerie, people put in

1900
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 4: just the lingerie brands. I don't want to drag them

1901
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 4: into this, they're gonna hate it. But you can put

1902
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 4: bend on in, for example, and it will basically do

1903
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 4: the same thing. Words like the Kenny Speedo, bra and

1904
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 4: underwear are band but there are numerous requests for women

1905
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:07,799
Speaker 4: or girls wearing spandex general yogawear, and using these prompts

1906
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 4: often results in images of women dressed and revealing at

1907
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 4: hire or nude, So that just goes to show how

1908
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 4: hard that is to do, right Listen. I don't know

1909
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 4: if you've been following this, but there's a thing going

1910
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:21,879
Speaker 4: on up north with the Wildlife Sanctuary with the lions

1911
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 4: come more, and last week they announced that seven of

1912
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 4: the lines are going to be put down because the

1913
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 4: lines are old. Because basically what it is is the

1914
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 4: land is up for sale, right, so if the land

1915
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 4: is up for sale, then the Wildlife Sanctuary needs to move,

1916
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 4: and then you need to move the lions. But the

1917
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:36,639
Speaker 4: lines are too old and the lines are too sick

1918
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 4: to be moved, so they put a couple down, and

1919
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 4: there are five more that they need to be put down.

1920
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 4: And this is just flip people out. And so a

1921
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 4: whole bunch of people have got together and they think

1922
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 4: they think they may have enough money to buy the land.

1923
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:52,600
Speaker 4: Can I just gently suggest that we just leave the

1924
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 4: lines and put the lines down, because this is not

1925
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 4: being cold hearted. But lions are not supposed to be

1926
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 4: in New Zealand and they are deaf, not supposed to

1927
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 4: be in captivity. So you've got two options, right, You

1928
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 4: put the lions down gently, that's the end of their lives,

1929
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 4: have a peaceful exit from this world and off they

1930
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,680
Speaker 4: go and that's the end. Or we buy the Light

1931
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 4: Light Land, we keep them alive. They live in their

1932
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 4: misery because they're sore and they're old and they're sack

1933
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 4: and they remain in captivity. Which of those two options

1934
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 4: sounds better to you? They're going to die at some

1935
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 4: point and they're not supposed This is not a happy

1936
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 4: life for them. So I don't know, I know, I

1937
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 4: do know. Just let the lions go seventeen away from seven.

1938
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 2: Ever it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 4: That'd be Heather. We've got a problem with wild dogs

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Speaker 4: in the far far North. Release the lions well sort

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Speaker 4: itself out, wouldn't it. Fourteen away from seven? Gavin Gray,

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Speaker 4: UK correspondence with US SALLO. Gavin hi have so Trump

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Speaker 4: will be happy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he is very very happy. This the resignations of

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Speaker 3: two senior people within the BBC, first of all the

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Speaker 3: big boss, the Director General, Tim Davies, and also the

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Speaker 3: head of News, Debra Urness, resigning as well. All this

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Speaker 3: over the editing of a documentary in which there was

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Speaker 3: one particular point at which they played a clip from

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's speech on the sixth of January twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: one when it was appearing on the program as though

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Speaker 3: he told supporters he was going to walk to the

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Speaker 3: US Capitol with them to fight like hell. But what

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Speaker 3: had happened was they edited together two sound bites from

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Speaker 3: his speech and the sound bites were more than fifty

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Speaker 3: minutes apart. And this is really for any journalist an

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Speaker 3: absolutely criminal, you know, absolutely said a prime don't do this.

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Speaker 3: That you learn on day one about context of editing

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Speaker 3: things together and how it got passed and through the

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Speaker 3: BBC will that probably investigation is still underway. But the

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Speaker 3: BBC chair Samhan called it a very very difficult day

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Speaker 3: and thanked particularly the head of the News organization for

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Speaker 3: transforming the corporation's output for news. But welcome by Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Who's always called it fake news and has been criticized

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Speaker 3: in the BBC for, as he said, quote very dishonest

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Speaker 3: people who tried to step on the scales of a

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Speaker 3: presidential election. He posted that on truth Social Meanwhile, his

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Speaker 3: Press secretary Caroline Levitt posted a trumphant two word reaction

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Speaker 3: on X using the drinking term shot to describe reports

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Speaker 3: that the US president was going to war with fake

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Speaker 3: news and describing the resignation of the boss as a chaser,

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Speaker 3: a drink taken after the shot to soften the taste

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Speaker 3: of alcohol, and then added BBC is dying because they

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Speaker 3: are anti Trump fake news.

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Speaker 4: Well, how much weight do these north sea oil workers

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Speaker 4: have to lose in order to stay in the jobs?

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Speaker 3: Well, some of them quite a bit, and thousands actually

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Speaker 3: it is face losing their jobs because they've been told

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Speaker 3: that they have to weigh no more than one hundred

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Speaker 3: and twenty four point seven kilograms when clothed. And that

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Speaker 3: is because quite simply, there are new regulations that come

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Speaker 3: in from next February, so a year's time from the

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Speaker 3: Offshore Energy's UK, the industry body that says the maximum

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Speaker 3: clothed weight for a worker heading offshore should be one

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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty four point seven kilograms, that's nineteen and

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Speaker 3: a half stone, so they can be winched to safety

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Speaker 3: in an emergency. Now, the Coastguard rescue helicopter winchload is

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Speaker 3: made up of a figure plus the average weight of

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Speaker 3: a rescue worker and the stretcher and the kit. So

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Speaker 3: when you add all those together, you don't know more

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Speaker 3: than two hundred and forty nine kilograms and that they're

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Speaker 3: saying therefore is the maximum. The industry body said more

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Speaker 3: than two two hundred workers are currently above the weight

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Speaker 3: limit and jobs could therefore be lost if they don't

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Speaker 3: lose the weight. Now, the industry body says the average

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Speaker 3: weight of offshore workers has risen by almost ten kilograms

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Speaker 3: since two thousand and eight, and the decision to implement

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Speaker 3: a safe weight limit for those offshore workers on the

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Speaker 3: rigs across the North Sea that's to the north and

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Speaker 3: east of Scotland follows a review by industry experts over

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Speaker 3: the past two and a half decades. But yes, two

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Speaker 3: two hundred people told effectively dart or lose your job.

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Speaker 4: To be fair one hundred and twenty k Jesus pretty

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Speaker 4: generous to them. I would have thought now on the homelessness.

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Speaker 4: It's a bigger problem that you guys actually realize.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yes, that's right. New figures out from the charity

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Speaker 3: Crisis claim that it's a much bigger figure than is

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Speaker 3: currently being put about by the government. The charitysist the

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Speaker 3: number of people facing the worst forms of homelessness has

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Speaker 3: grown by a fifth in three years. They now say

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Speaker 3: that figure stands at three hundred thousand, and that is

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Speaker 3: basically they're saying the real figures is based on people

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Speaker 3: declaring themselves as homeless, which Crisis says does not you know,

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Speaker 3: always happen people are homeless, don't declare themselves as homeless,

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Speaker 3: and that's why they believe the figure is much worse

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Speaker 3: than it is and is getting much much worse quite fast.

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Speaker 3: They say it is quite unsuitable for people to be

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Speaker 3: put up in bed and breakfasts and properties far away

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Speaker 3: from family and friends. And they say an additional eighteen thousand,

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Speaker 3: six hundred families are living in what they call unconventional

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Speaker 3: accommodations such as in their cars or in sheds or intents.

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Speaker 3: So they are saying, yeah, these figures are big underestimate.

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Speaker 3: The government saying, look, We've invested some two billion New

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Speaker 3: Zealand dollars in homelessness in the last few years and

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Speaker 3: a big figure just year on year in the last

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Speaker 3: year two And they say they're doing their best, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: the charity makes that look like not enough and not

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Speaker 3: soon enough.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Devin, thank you. Talk to you in a couple

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Speaker 4: of days. Gavin Gray, our UK correspondent. Right, I'm going

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Speaker 4: to talk about narcissism next nine away from seven.

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Speaker 4: Okay, six away from seven. Now, you're not imagining it

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Speaker 4: if you think, jeez, I was like, do I want

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Speaker 4: to talk about this because I feel sometimes like we

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Speaker 4: beat up on the younger people. But then I think

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Speaker 4: we should just be objective about this. Okay, So you're

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Speaker 4: not imagining it if you feel like younger people are

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Speaker 4: more narcissistic today than when you were growing up. And

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Speaker 4: when I say younger people, I am talking about really

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Speaker 4: millennials down. So really my age down? You want to

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking like, not my age. I mean, obviously you

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Speaker 4: know I'm not like that. But if you go for

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Speaker 4: sort of like thirty five and down, I think, then

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Speaker 4: we're talking. That's the crowd I'm talking about.

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Speaker 19: Now.

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Speaker 4: What has happened here is a couple of researchers have

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Speaker 4: studied narcissism. There was a tool that was created in

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Speaker 4: the late nineteen eighties and it measures narcissism. It's basically

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Speaker 4: got forty different little points, and each point has two

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Speaker 4: statements attached to it, and you choose which are the

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Speaker 4: statements you agree with most. So, for example, if I

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Speaker 4: ruled the world, it would be a better place. You

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Speaker 4: can choose that, or you can choose ruling the world

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Speaker 4: scares the hell out of me. Now, if you choose

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Speaker 4: the first one, if I ruled the world, it would

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Speaker 4: be a better place, you're narcissistic. So it goes through

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Speaker 4: and then it measures how narcissistic you are. And then

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Speaker 4: what they did is they looked at by the sounds

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Speaker 4: of things the eighties, the nineties and the two thousands

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Speaker 4: people who were a sort of American college age fifteen

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Speaker 4: thousand kids, and absolutely it has got worse as we've

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Speaker 4: got on the eighties, not so bad in the nineties,

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Speaker 4: not about the two thousands. Shocking, so narcissistic now it

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Speaker 4: is worth remembering generally you are narcissistic if you're eighteen

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Speaker 4: or nineteen. It's just the world revolves around you. But

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Speaker 4: it's definitely got worse, and they reckon. We're seeing it

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Speaker 4: in a whole bunch of different ways now. Plastic surgery,

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Speaker 4: you know, augmentation, life persuction, stuff like that had gone

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Speaker 4: through the roof in the last since the late nineties. Really,

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Speaker 4: the names that people give their kids apparently as a

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Speaker 4: sign of narcissism as well, because back in the nineteenth

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Speaker 4: century you just give them common names like Gertrude. Everybody's

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Speaker 4: a Gertrude, you know, everybody was a Pall or whatever.

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Speaker 4: And now we're all like weird little names. Every child's

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Speaker 4: got to have their own special name and be unique.

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Speaker 4: That's apparently sign of it. And also trouble in relationships.

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Speaker 4: If you can't hold down a marriage, yeah, it's narcissism.

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Speaker 4: There you go, tell you who's not narcissistic.

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Speaker 16: Me.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to give all the credit.

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Speaker 1: Stop it.

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Speaker 6: As I was going to say, yeah, how did you

2087
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Speaker 6: answer the if I ruled the world question?

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Speaker 4: It scares the hell out of me because I know

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Speaker 4: that I would make my life better but not anybody

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Speaker 4: everybody else's. But you have been the savior of so

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Speaker 4: many people's Christmas budgets today. Well done.

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Speaker 6: You exactly proof that I should indeed be in charge

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Speaker 6: for the world. And I'll tell you what the Texas

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Speaker 6: on alcohol were coming down to. Anyway, She's somebody's daughter

2095
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Speaker 6: by Drew Baldridge to play us out tonight. So obviously

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Speaker 6: a bit of a bit of a nightmare on Saturday

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Speaker 6: for people who are wanting to go to Jelly Roll

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Speaker 6: when he pulled out it last minute and for shell Wet,

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Speaker 6: Western Springs and Auckland. But Drew Bulldridge was the port

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Speaker 6: act for that and he was like, well, I can't

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Speaker 6: play support for Jelly Role now. So what he did

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Speaker 6: is he went to Joe Lane, which is a bar

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Speaker 6: in Ponsonby. They yanked a guitar off the wall for

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Speaker 6: him and he played an acoustic set there for everyone there,

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Speaker 6: and then he went down to the Civic to go

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Speaker 6: jump on stage and play it Kayley Bell's concert as well.

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Speaker 6: So good on you, Drew for doing your bit, even

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Speaker 6: though you your main gig was canceled or.

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Speaker 4: A legend hither. I just checked the IID website and

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Speaker 4: found him owed four hundred and thirty six dollars. Thank you,

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Speaker 4: not me, thank ants, ants.

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Speaker 6: And for President A.

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Speaker 4: Simon, you meant Simon says I meant the twentieth century. No, Simon,

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Speaker 4: I did meet the nineteenth century. That would be eighteen

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Speaker 4: hundred and not that stupid. There's my narcissism. See tomorrow.

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