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Speaker 1: Follow this and our Wide Ranger podcast now on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello Grant News Inlanders and welcome to Mantain Tyler Full

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Speaker 2: Show Podcast number two one one for the thirtieth of September.

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Speaker 2: It's a Tuesday. And wait till the end because there's

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Speaker 2: some of the best rat stories you'll ever hear. If

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Speaker 2: you want to hear a naked woman chased out over

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Speaker 2: bath by three rats, keep.

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Speaker 3: Most hell of a story. Yeah, what a great show.

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Speaker 3: And but a chat about pension it was feisty.

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Speaker 2: Oh yep, we did that as well.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: We have a good chat there. And save the partor

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Speaker 2: brewing is that what it's called? And fun a pour.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they might have to shut down because they had

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Speaker 3: some noise complaints that it turns out from one neighbor.

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Speaker 3: But we have had a wee petition sent through to us,

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Speaker 3: so go to change dot org. Save part O a Brewing.

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Speaker 3: But Brotek live music on the coast. We had a

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Speaker 3: chat to the pub owner. He was a good man,

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Speaker 3: is a.

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Speaker 2: Very good man.

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Speaker 3: Download subscribe and give us a review and.

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Speaker 2: Give them a taste of Kiwi. All right, We okay,

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Speaker 2: thank you, bye bye.

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Speaker 1: Look big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News

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Speaker 1: Talk said.

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Speaker 3: Be for a good afternoon to you. Welp him into

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Speaker 3: the show. I hope you were doing well, were I?

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Speaker 3: You're listening in this beautiful country of ours, Kady, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Get A, Tyler get A, you great New Zealander. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for tuning in. Pretty much looking forward to the show.

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Speaker 2: We've already done an hour of it for some people.

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Speaker 2: We're into the three hours of talkback starting right now,

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Speaker 2: and it's.

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Speaker 3: Going to be god. But before we get there, I've

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Speaker 3: got a question for you, Matt, and for our audience

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Speaker 3: as well. So moved into this new place, YadA, YadA, YadA,

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Speaker 3: but it's got a fire and I'm really excited about

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Speaker 3: the fireplace.

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Speaker 2: What can I find it?

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Speaker 3: Proper woodburner, woodburner, a proper wood burner. So I am

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Speaker 3: just But my question is, so I started looking at

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Speaker 3: buying some firewood, but I am surprised by the differences

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Speaker 3: I had to help mom out stack in the wood,

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Speaker 3: you just got a quarter wood. It didn't really matter.

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Speaker 3: It was kind of like a mixed bag, but a

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Speaker 3: pine in there. But whatever they had down at the

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Speaker 3: local firewood place these days, it's true the roof. You

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Speaker 3: get your hardwood, you get your soft wood. So I'm

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Speaker 3: kind of a bit confused about where I go. I

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Speaker 3: just want some good, old fashioned, easy to burn, cheap firewood.

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Speaker 2: Well, get yourself an axe, and then you can just

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Speaker 2: get whatever would you want wherever you want.

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Speaker 3: Is that how it works. I can just go to

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Speaker 2: The domain, knock down one of those old trees near

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good times.

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Speaker 2: So, because what the I don't actually know the rules,

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Speaker 2: for some reason I assumed you weren't allowed them anymore.

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Speaker 2: You're not allowed to put a new one or something.

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Speaker 3: I think so because I thought it was a showpiece,

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Speaker 3: and then rang the landlord and said, nope, you can

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Speaker 2: There's nothing better than a fire in winter. A house

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Speaker 2: and I've been on the record in the show a

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Speaker 2: on your TVs. Yeah, it is pretty good.

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Speaker 3: That is pretty nice, but an actual fire and an.

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Speaker 2: Actual wood fire, not a gas fire. Good on you, congratulations.

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Speaker 3: It was the first thing I did. It was twenty

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Speaker 2: Douglas Fair, Yeah, yeah, businesses get stuck into the Douglas Fair.

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Speaker 3: Well, if you've got a firewood deal out there, you know,

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Speaker 2: You could fell mighty tot or a cold.

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Speaker 3: Look at me? How would I fear trying to do that?

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Speaker 3: today's show after three o'clock, there's going to be a

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Speaker 2: So should we continue trying to curl every rat we see?

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Speaker 2: Or is it time for a truce between human and rodent.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that after after three o'clock. Although I

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Speaker 2: think this French deputy mayor has been watching the pixarm

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Speaker 3: Looking forward to that after three after two o'clock, a

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Speaker 3: denied license renewals, despite despite its efforts to soundproof and

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Speaker 2: But a pushback on the state of that pub from

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Speaker 2: But we'll go into both sides of the argument later on.

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Speaker 2: But the general discussion we want to have is how

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Speaker 2: much should the needs for quiet of the few be

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Speaker 3: It sounds reasonable, But that's going to be a good

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Speaker 3: jette after two o'clock right now, let's get into this.

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Speaker 3: It's long being the elephant in the room. But New

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Speaker 3: Zealand's Treasury has just dropped a sobering report warning of

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Speaker 3: a staggering future debt crisis if we don't act soon.

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Speaker 3: It says we need to start slowly raising the pension

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Speaker 3: risk crushing future generations with massive tax hikes or brutal

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Speaker 3: service cuts. The pension age obviously has been kicked around

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what do you reckon? That sounds pretty inflammatory statement,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. The retirement age is being raised to seventy two,

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Speaker 2: I mean quite a few decades away, but do you

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Speaker 2: very easy if you're sitting on your ass and my

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Speaker 2: costing special back supporting lumbard cheer.

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Speaker 3: Our beautiful years.

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Speaker 2: Very nice speaking into a fluffy microphone. That's all very

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Speaker 2: well for us. We could keep going to we're ninety

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Speaker 2: five if they'll have us. Yeah, but not so easy

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Speaker 2: if you're on the tools exactly.

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Speaker 5: So what do you say?

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Speaker 3: I wait, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: Is there another solution? This is what I want to say,

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Speaker 2: because every time you read these articles and they're like,

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Speaker 2: either we raise taxes, And I always think when someone's

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Speaker 2: if you look at how much we get taxed, we

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Speaker 2: good money in this country get taxed nearly to oblivion

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Speaker 2: when you start adding all the texes together. So whenever

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Speaker 2: anyone comes up with the solution for our economies to

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Speaker 2: tax more, I'm always suspicious that they haven't been thinking

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Speaker 3: Right, It's an easy thing to throw out there and say,

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Speaker 3: unless we do something, we're going to teach you more So.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a situation where you read these reports

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Speaker 2: and they're like, either we teach you more or or

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Speaker 2: or we raise the retirement age to somewhere insane? Man,

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Speaker 2: Is there another solution?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, love to hear your other solutions. There must be

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Speaker 3: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine to nine two.

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Speaker 3: Can to hear your thoughts on this. But I think

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Speaker 3: it is fair to say that this has been talked

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Speaker 3: would disagree that there is a problem there. We're getting

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Speaker 3: an aging population. It's costing us more and more to

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Speaker 2: No one's bothering to have any children to bring the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we need those children to work and pay Texas

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Speaker 3: to fund the pension. But really, can have a chat

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Speaker 3: with you? Is raising it to seventy two over the

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Speaker 3: next forty years? Crazy town? And what are your other solutions?

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Speaker 3: What do we need to do here? Oh, eight one

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call.

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Speaker 3: It's thirteen past one.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

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Speaker 6: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks that'd.

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Speaker 3: Be it's cut a pass one. So Treasury is freaking

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Speaker 3: something about therement retirement age. They say that it needs

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Speaker 3: What do you say, I went hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 2: They should means test it like in Australia, it would

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Speaker 2: mean I wouldn't get it. But that's fair enough, says Lou.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's interesting. Someone else says that they where

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Speaker 2: was this tex stuff? Bloody loss? That this new system

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Speaker 2: it's all over the shop we go. But anyway, it

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Speaker 2: was basically saying that I drink and smoke and work

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Speaker 2: So I don't care.

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Speaker 3: He's okay with it or they shit might have been

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Speaker 3: she a Matthew.

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Speaker 7: Yeah there you guys speaking of someone that is two

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Speaker 7: years away from being sixty five.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I.

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Speaker 7: Look, whither we can afford it or not as a country,

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Speaker 7: it is what of it it is We need to

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Speaker 7: afford it because that is the whole working life of

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Speaker 7: especially people my age that have been told and you

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Speaker 7: know that at sixty five, you will get the pension.

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Speaker 7: I don't foresee that I'll be able to stop working

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Speaker 7: full time when I turned sixty five. I understand I

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Speaker 7: will still have to work some part time, and I'm

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Speaker 7: okay with that. But look, if they're going to do

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Speaker 7: it the seventy two that is ridiculous. That is too long.

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Speaker 7: I've got an idea. If they're going to do that,

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Speaker 7: then maybe once you reach sixty you don't pay any tax,

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Speaker 7: and so you can save the money that you would

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Speaker 7: be paying on tax. So maybe you'll be able to

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Speaker 7: retire that little bit earlier or something like that. You

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Speaker 7: can't just go because there's people that you know, I

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Speaker 7: would have said that there's people in there mid till

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Speaker 7: Well in life and you probably don't need it, then

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Speaker 6: Lot plus what.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's my understanding. I guess I'll find that.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 7: So if she wasn't entitled to her pension' that'd be stuffed.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean crutly unfair. If someone just said tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be forty two, Tyler, You're what are you? Tyler?

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Speaker 2: You're thirty eight on.

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Speaker 3: Forty this year, so i'd be pretty close for a

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Speaker 2: And especially if you hear how young people say talk

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Speaker 3: Minimal, right, Yeah, I don't think it will be. So

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Speaker 3: I'm planning for a not to be there. But what

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Speaker 3: I probably won't be.

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Speaker 2: And knowing you, Tyler, I think there's a good chance

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Speaker 3: Highly likely, highly likely.

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Speaker 2: This seems quite likely.

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Speaker 3: It's happening with cryptocurrency at the moment, s Matthew. Thank

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Speaker 3: you very much, mate, great to hear from you. Oh

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Speaker 2: This pension debate is all pretty simple. If you don't

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Speaker 2: I mean I would say, we're just going to tax

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and what do you say to that? Nineteen nine

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Speaker 6: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mike asking breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Health check on our health secret of Simmi in Brown's

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Speaker 2: messing with numbers? Here you can massage numbers to you

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Speaker 9: So these are white health targets the government set. These

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Speaker 2: There are averages because counties Manicaun and Auckland have gone

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Speaker 10: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Efficiency? Is a resource?

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Speaker 5: What is it?

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Speaker 9: There's been a significant increase in the number of people

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Speaker 9: We are seeing improvement, but yes, there are some districts

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Speaker 2: Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you were talking about the pension age.

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Speaker 3: Treasury is freaking out about suspected debt levels and they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, either that or absolutely tax the jesus out of

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Speaker 2: and means test government super because everyone's got a personal

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Speaker 2: tax on the contribution. In New Zealand, government super is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, compulsory and just see a look now

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the weird thing about means testing and

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Speaker 2: also can't get this. And I know it's way more

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it feels like a very blunt tool doesn't it,

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Speaker 3: But there's got to be a better way to do it.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it might be a little bit demoralizing

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Speaker 5: I agree with you there case of a lot of cases. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: because we're a bit short of money now. My big

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Speaker 5: I'll start contributing to that. Whereas in New Zealand, on

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Speaker 5: I'd be very untrusting of them increasing taxes because let's

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Speaker 5: But it's I think the seven year jump is a

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Speaker 5: Oh it's sixty five now, but we're thinking about putting

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Speaker 5: up to seventy two. Whatever happened to sixty seven or

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the idea is that in this suggesting

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Speaker 3: And to be fair simon, this is Treasury saying this.

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Speaker 3: They can say what they like, and to be fair

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Speaker 3: Act was the same. It was the other parties that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they know they're voting base and they're not going

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Speaker 5: subsidized flights for life was there in New Zealand? Is

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Speaker 5: their pension going to take a hit? Because if we're

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Speaker 5: if we're all in the same boat, then I'm willing

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Speaker 5: to entertain the idea. You know, the people that are

442
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Speaker 5: making the decisions for us the moment I hear that

443
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Speaker 5: making decisions for us that we all have to take

444
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Speaker 5: our bye to the crap burger. But they managed to

445
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Speaker 5: keep their perks.

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Speaker 2: What was what was that saying, Simon that the one

447
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Speaker 2: about the burger would I.

448
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Speaker 5: Was checking my words there because I wasn't going to swear.

449
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Speaker 5: But we all have to take a bye to the crap.

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Speaker 3: Burger, take a bite of the crane market.

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Speaker 5: I'm not willing to be the whole damn thing. But

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Speaker 5: you know if you found out the politician the keeping

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Speaker 5: their perks. There's the close of Chiefs once said I

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Speaker 5: predict a riot So.

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Speaker 2: Great song, great band. Yeah please, someone's finally brought up

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Speaker 2: the Kaisi Sheeps chief.

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Speaker 5: I know it's about time.

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Speaker 2: And you know, when I was living in England and

459
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Speaker 2: this is off topic, we'll get back to the topic.

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Speaker 2: But there was a headline the lead singer of the

461
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Speaker 2: Kaiser Chiefs that appeared I think was it reading and

462
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Speaker 2: he put on a bit of weight and there was

463
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Speaker 2: a headline in the Sun newspaper. I was reading on

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Speaker 2: the tube ones and it was I predict a diet

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Speaker 2: that's pretty good.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta get a bit of chubby, but a

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Speaker 5: great band that could a pension thing. They've got to

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Speaker 5: get a bit more dynamic with the thinking. And firstly,

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Speaker 5: if you if you want people to start contributing, you

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Speaker 5: got to think of ways that what's going to entice

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Speaker 5: them to do this and not tax the hell out

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Speaker 5: of them for doing what you're wanting them to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for your call, Simon. So the alternative

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Speaker 2: that was suggested by Treasury were raising income text by

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Speaker 2: one third.

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Speaker 3: I'll get out of town that's one third.

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Speaker 2: That's demoralizing GST to thirty two percent or cutting health

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Speaker 2: and Wealthia.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't like that either.

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Speaker 2: This is this is one of the problems with with

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Speaker 2: you know, life, is that there's just a whole lot

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Speaker 2: of bad options for something.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no good options, just bad and worse. Right,

486
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Speaker 3: it is twenty eight to two headlines with railing coming up.

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Speaker 2: Bring on a belevolent dictator that makes the hard decisions

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Speaker 2: for US.

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Speaker 14: US talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

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Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. Labor leader Chris Sipkins

491
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Speaker 14: says urgent actions needed to end the conflict in Gaza

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Speaker 14: and deserging all parties to take the opportunity to work

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Speaker 14: towards peace. Our foreign ministers welcome to plan produced by

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Speaker 14: US and Israel that includes releasing hostages and IDEF troops

495
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Speaker 14: pulling out of Gaza.

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Speaker 2: HUMUS is yet to respond.

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Speaker 14: Police in Auckland are asking people to come forward with

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Speaker 14: information as they continue to investigate a fatal assault on

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Speaker 14: a US student in meadow Bank in April. A machete

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Speaker 14: was found in a nearby reserve yesterday and is being

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Speaker 14: forensically tested kitchen things. Staff have received their wages from

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Speaker 14: stock sell offs, but customers of the liquidated company likely

503
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Speaker 14: to be out of luck. A man's suffered headcuts after

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Speaker 14: crashing through a Dunedin shop window in the second assault

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Speaker 14: on George Street. In days On Sunday a person was

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Speaker 14: seriously injured on George Street about twelve thirty am. A

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Speaker 14: twenty four year old man's appeared in the District Court.

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Speaker 14: HPV self testing is working. We should celebrate the progress.

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Speaker 14: You can see the full column at in said Herald

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Speaker 14: Premium back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we are talking

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Speaker 3: about the penchion age. Treasury has dropped a report warning

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Speaker 3: of a staggering future deck crisis if we don't do

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Speaker 3: something soon. They've recommended slowly raising the penchion age to

515
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Speaker 3: seventy two over the next forty years, which is fairly dramatic.

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Speaker 3: But what do you say this.

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Speaker 2: Stexas says, if I had to take the pension age

518
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Speaker 2: at seventy two, I would start robbing my employer quietly

519
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Speaker 2: quit so he would sack me, and then I can

520
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Speaker 2: happily live at the beach. You see. Is that what's

521
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Speaker 2: going to happen if people if you raise retirement age,

522
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Speaker 2: it's going to start. It's going to empower people to

523
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Speaker 2: embezzle from their buses.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if next treasure re improved, but it

525
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Speaker 3: might happen. One yen eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: Jeff, Welcome the show.

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Speaker 15: How are you? You're right?

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty good. You're not too far off retirement? I understand.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I've got a year and a half to go.

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Speaker 15: I've just started when I was fifteen, and we're normal.

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Speaker 15: There's two jobs the whole time I've had We're at

532
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Speaker 15: two three two elbow operations, three shoulder operations. Here in

533
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Speaker 15: a year, I've just had two hips replaced. Wow, and

534
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Speaker 15: they have a back shot. So here am I going

535
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Speaker 15: to get?

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Speaker 2: What business?

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Speaker 5: Are you?

538
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Speaker 2: And Jeff?

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Speaker 15: I just hard lab working forestry And there's a lot

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Speaker 15: of guys you know that were around me every day another.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so you're counting down to to retirement. Is

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Speaker 2: it something that you've got on the calendar marked off?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm all set up for her. Yeah, that's well, yeah,

544
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Speaker 15: it's just the blue collar is going to have to

545
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Speaker 15: have to go longer in the the guy on the

546
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Speaker 15: shovel is going to have to go lest some poor

547
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Speaker 15: that as far as I should see, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, it's so absolutely different Jeff. As I say before,

549
00:25:14,973 --> 00:25:17,413
Speaker 2: compared to what would I do, sitting on my ass

550
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Speaker 2: talking to a microphone all day is not comparable to

551
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Speaker 2: what a lot of other other people do. And we

552
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Speaker 2: need people to do all kinds of jobs.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, we're marage covering things like that. You're out there

554
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Speaker 15: for twelve hours a day. You know, it's not a job, yeah,

555
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Speaker 15: day after day. So it's just I'll find it flannning

556
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Speaker 15: when they talk like that.

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Speaker 2: Now, when you say that you're all sort of for retirement,

558
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Speaker 2: what do you mean by that? Jeff? Have you managed

559
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Speaker 2: to put stuff away?

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Speaker 15: I've managed to buy a block and pop forestry on it,

561
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Speaker 15: and now I'm on the carbon credits and et cetera,

562
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Speaker 15: et cetera. But yeah, it just makes me laugh.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But I guess the problem is that we've got this

565
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Speaker 2: bit of a catch twenty two where if we don't

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Speaker 2: make some kind of changes, then we just won't have

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Speaker 2: the money for it. So it's one of those things

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Speaker 2: whether either we make a change or the change will

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Speaker 2: be forced upon us. And as I was saying before,

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Speaker 2: I mean the Treasury said you increasing GST the thirty

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Speaker 2: two percent to cover it.

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Speaker 15: So years ago the retirement after was sixty en we

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Speaker 15: never had g.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but someone's got to take Yeah, someone's got to

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Speaker 3: take a hit here, Jeff. And and to be frank,

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Speaker 3: you won't have to do that. You're or you're two

577
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Speaker 3: years away. You're going to You're gonna have your pension absolutely,

578
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Speaker 3: and that's the right thing because you can't change the

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Speaker 3: goalpost that quickly on people. But would you say, is

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Speaker 3: someone who will enjoy that pension? Looking at me, I'm

581
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Speaker 3: forty and I'm steering down the potential that it might

582
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Speaker 3: not be there, certainly not to the same extent. Is

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Speaker 3: that a fair thing in your eyes?

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Speaker 16: Oh?

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Speaker 15: No, there should be something from the government. They've textured

586
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Speaker 15: the whole time. I think that's where that's where the

587
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Speaker 15: where the money's gone is not the right places. It's

588
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Speaker 15: just getting gobben up somewhere. Yeah, retirement we hadstate.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is that The problem Jeff, is that

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Speaker 2: demographics have changed. So you know, there was the baby

591
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Speaker 2: boom and so there was a whole lot of young kids,

592
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Speaker 2: and then since then the boomers have had less kids,

593
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Speaker 2: and then gen X haven't done their bit and they've

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Speaker 2: had less kids. And now Tyler's bloody forty still hasn't

595
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Speaker 2: had any kids, and then the gen z is are

596
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Speaker 2: like planning not have any kids. And so we're getting this,

597
00:27:24,693 --> 00:27:26,893
Speaker 2: get this problem. Whether people aren't coming through to support

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Speaker 2: the old people. It's just laziness, too lazy to have kids,

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Speaker 2: have babies. We need more taxpayers. Controversial to things to say.

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Speaker 2: Good luck with your retirement, Jeff, and great to talk

601
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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good cool. I mean that is a tough part, though,

603
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Speaker 3: wasn't it, Because you can't get around that. The trades

604
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Speaker 3: and the people that burn out their bodies at an

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Speaker 3: early age. How do you do that?

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Speaker 2: You know, how do you deal with was it three

607
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Speaker 2: shoulder operations? Both replaced?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's more machine than men at this stage. But

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Speaker 3: what do you say? I really get to hear from you. Oh,

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It is twenty two,

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Speaker 3: the issues that affect you and a bit of fun

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Speaker 3: along the way.

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Speaker 6: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be afternoon. It is eighteen to too, so Treasury

615
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Speaker 3: says that the pension age should go up to seventy

616
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Speaker 3: two or an next forty years, or risk crushing future

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Speaker 3: generations with the mass of debt.

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Speaker 2: What do you say, well, Paul says, Hey, boys, isn't

619
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Speaker 2: global woman going to get us all before the time

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Speaker 2: they want to raise the pension?

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Speaker 3: Well, that would that would solve some issues.

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Speaker 2: I mean that is that call? Is that solving it?

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Speaker 2: It would be removing it. A ship sick of the

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Speaker 2: ongoing lazy approach of coming up with new forms of

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Speaker 2: tax or raising of the retirement age. It's such a

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Speaker 2: lazy approach. How about shifting more focus on axing wasteful

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Speaker 2: spending to free up cash and an even stronger focus

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Speaker 2: on growing at the revenue for the country as a whole. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: good texts Anna, welcome the show. You're in your thirties.

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Speaker 2: I believe I.

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Speaker 13: I just ten thirty eight, so I'm probably going to

632
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Speaker 13: be in the same boat. If it does end up

633
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Speaker 13: impacting us, it's going to impact and impact me quite significantly.

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Speaker 13: And I get this feeling that there's a common message

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Speaker 13: here that we need to incentivize people to have more children.

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Speaker 17: I have of my own, a boy and a girl.

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Speaker 17: And I would have had more. However, my mortgage does

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Speaker 17: not allow me to.

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Speaker 13: Be able to spend the most crucial years of my

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00:29:20,973 --> 00:29:24,133
Speaker 13: child's life with them. So after they turn.

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Speaker 17: One, I had to go back to work. And that's

642
00:29:26,293 --> 00:29:30,053
Speaker 17: that's just what it is. You know, we can't have

643
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Speaker 17: more children because it can't afford them.

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Speaker 2: That's how the economy is, isn't it How punishing it is,

645
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Speaker 2: because we do need more workers coming through and paying

646
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Speaker 2: tax so people can retire, but it's too expensive for

647
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Speaker 2: people to produce those workers to come through, and that's

648
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Speaker 2: why we end up in the situation.

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Speaker 13: And you know, there are a few on fire between.

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Speaker 17: Households that can afford to live on a single income

651
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Speaker 17: because by the time you put those mortgage trades in

652
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Speaker 17: place and groceries and everything else, if you're paying for

653
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Speaker 17: day here, I mean it is, it's just expensive as

654
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Speaker 17: being back at work.

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Speaker 13: But yeah, I live in Auckland, and it's just it's impossible.

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Speaker 17: It's impossible, So I had to go back to work

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Speaker 17: full time.

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Speaker 2: Has anyone done analysis on this? So I was thinking

659
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Speaker 2: about this the other day and I was going to

660
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Speaker 2: look into it, but I forgot So I should have

661
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Speaker 2: maybe shouldn't talk about this right now. But so at

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Speaker 2: one point, one income was enough to support a whole

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Speaker 2: house and a whole family in New Zealand, right And

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Speaker 2: then what happened was it became sort of standard that

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Speaker 2: there was both both mum and dad or both parents

666
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Speaker 2: were out working. But people didn't get richer like people

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Speaker 2: the houses went twice as wealthy, if you know what

668
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Speaker 2: I'm seen. So it feels like the economy just adjusted

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Speaker 2: to make it now that to survive you need two

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Speaker 2: people to work. So that was a bit of a

671
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Speaker 2: tricky shimmy that happened. And at what point did that happen?

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Speaker 2: And where did that? Where did that slack go? Where

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Speaker 2: did that Where did that shift happen? And is it

674
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Speaker 2: just that house prices went up so much?

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Speaker 18: Is that?

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Speaker 10: Is that what it was?

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but it seems like a system that

678
00:31:12,933 --> 00:31:17,373
Speaker 2: works would allow people to be able to reproduce themselves

679
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Speaker 2: because where it goes.

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Speaker 13: And the saddest thing about it is like you've got

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Speaker 13: psychological research coming out now with all of these people

682
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Speaker 13: being diagnosed with ADHD.

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Speaker 17: If you look at the fundamental.

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Speaker 13: Necessity of having a child with a parent, a caregiver

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Speaker 13: for the first one to three years of their life,

686
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Speaker 13: so they're not stressed out by being placed into someone

687
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Speaker 13: else's random care. They actually become better humans and to

688
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Speaker 13: be able to cope with things later on in life.

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Speaker 19: But we took that away.

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Speaker 17: We took that away as soon as we said no,

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Speaker 17: men and women are equal.

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Speaker 13: They can go and work and and lots of money.

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Speaker 13: The kids can be looked after an organization of strangers.

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Speaker 17: And that's the society we ended up in now.

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Speaker 13: And so it's real sad to hear that the solution

696
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Speaker 13: is to keep us working into the grave.

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Speaker 2: Basically, it's an interesting one, isn't it, Because they had

698
00:32:16,173 --> 00:32:19,813
Speaker 2: that Targo longitudinal study and they found out exactly what

699
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Speaker 2: you're saying, and that the first three years is so

700
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Speaker 2: incredibly crucial because if you're if you're a child, you

701
00:32:26,293 --> 00:32:29,053
Speaker 2: can enter different zones in the way you see the world.

702
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Speaker 2: So whether you see a world where it's a solid

703
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Speaker 2: place you can depend on people, and then you can

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Speaker 2: you can be part of part of things and you're

705
00:32:35,693 --> 00:32:37,413
Speaker 2: going to be backed up, or you can go into

706
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Speaker 2: an evolutionary state where you are fighting against the world

707
00:32:42,453 --> 00:32:44,733
Speaker 2: because you have to be. You've got the signals that

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Speaker 2: it needs to be a scrappy situation for you to survive,

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00:32:47,653 --> 00:32:50,573
Speaker 2: and you become somewhat of it. You become some sort

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Speaker 2: of somewhat of an outsider. So it does seem that

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Speaker 2: we should have an economy such that is possible for

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Speaker 2: the first three years of the child's life to be

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Speaker 2: be in the hands of one or other parent. That

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Speaker 2: would that would be That would be ideal, wouldn't it that?

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Speaker 2: But that costs a lot of money, doesn't it any?

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Speaker 17: Three?

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Speaker 13: Yes, me, three, I love that too. Let me know

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Speaker 13: when that happens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get back to you on that one, hopefully

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Speaker 3: next week sometime.

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Speaker 2: We'll write your number, our text you when it happens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, thanks you look, what a great call. Right,

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Speaker 3: We're going to play some messages. Coming up after the break,

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Speaker 3: we are going to chat to the CEO of Infometrics,

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Speaker 3: Brad Olsen. He's got a lot to say about what

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Speaker 3: should happened with the penchion age and our saving scheme

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Speaker 3: KEI we savers. So he is coming up next. That

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Speaker 3: is twelve to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoons News talks.

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Speaker 3: For A Good Afternoon, June nine to two. So Treasury

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Speaker 3: has warned about our staggering future deck crisis unless we

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Speaker 3: act and do something about the penchion age that I've

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Speaker 3: suggested are raising it to seventy two over the next

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Speaker 3: forty years. To discuss this, we're joined by Infometrics CEO

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Speaker 3: and chief economist Brad Olsen. Get a bread Good Afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Why does the government tax KEI we save a contributions, well,

739
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Speaker 2: because we tax broadly everything to the degree we can,

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Speaker 2: and that keeps all of the various incomes in a

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Speaker 2: more sort of I guess, same same manner.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise you'd have if you didn't tax, for example, your

743
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Speaker 3: key we saver contributions, and everyone would put more of

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Speaker 3: their money in there, and then when they needed it,

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Speaker 3: you'd have a whole lot of people and trying to

746
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Speaker 3: get their money out for hardship and similar So that

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Speaker 3: the better idea rather than having people warp and sort

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Speaker 3: of switch around where they put their money, is to

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Speaker 3: sort of broadly where you can tax everything similarly. Then

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Speaker 3: you don't have those distortions.

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Speaker 2: But isn't saving a problem for us. Don't we have

752
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Speaker 2: a large amount of debt and why we have KEI

753
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Speaker 2: savers because we need more to move more of our

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Speaker 2: economy into saving. So wouldn't that be a good thing

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Speaker 2: to incentivize.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and broadly we do to a degree because most

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Speaker 3: of your key we savers are known as pie funds,

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Speaker 3: which means they get taxed at a lower rate than

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Speaker 3: what you'd otherwise see if if it wasn't in that system.

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Speaker 3: So you do have something. But let's be clear, even

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Speaker 3: if you made some of those various tweaks that are

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Speaker 3: sometimes suggested to kee we saver, which to be fair,

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Speaker 3: experts generally say, don't mess with care we saver too

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Speaker 3: much because the more you change it, the harder it

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Speaker 3: is for everyone to get their heads around. But even

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Speaker 3: if you did, Trusuries made it quite clear that without

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Speaker 3: some pretty substantial changes to SUPER as it currently is,

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Speaker 3: you'd be seeing the likes of per person payments for

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Speaker 3: health and New Zealand Super that would double over the

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Speaker 3: next sort of thirty forty years. It's pretty significant shock

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Speaker 3: no matter what way you try and do the tinkering

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Speaker 3: at the edges. So the key we save a question

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Speaker 3: I mean, is that realistically one of the key ways

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Speaker 3: we can get out of the situation we're facing. Brad,

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Speaker 3: A lot of comparison has made with what they do

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Speaker 3: in Aussie and it's quite a generous SUPER scheme that

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Speaker 3: they've got in place. Is that where we need to

778
00:35:56,733 --> 00:36:00,533
Speaker 3: move to. I think it's part of the solution. And

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00:36:00,613 --> 00:36:04,053
Speaker 3: you've certainly seen a lot more political commentary and actually

780
00:36:04,093 --> 00:36:06,813
Speaker 3: political will come out around you know, trying to beef

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Speaker 3: up keevy Saver in similar over time. But again you're

782
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Speaker 3: sort of only changing around where that money comes from

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Speaker 3: to a degree.

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Speaker 2: So yes, it's part of it.

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Speaker 3: But I put it this way, if we were to say, look,

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Speaker 3: we can solve it all by making some changes to

787
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Speaker 3: Kiwisaver but not making any changes elsewhere, by not making

788
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Speaker 3: any shifts around New Zealand Super, you'd actually get to

789
00:36:26,853 --> 00:36:28,973
Speaker 3: the point where, over time you'd have people that would

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Speaker 3: have quite substantial private savings. That would be the good thing,

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Speaker 3: but the government would also still be required to pay

792
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Speaker 3: out quite a significant amount unless you change SUPER at

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Speaker 3: the same time. So you do have to do both.

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Speaker 2: So is there another option rather than retireing, you know,

795
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Speaker 2: raising retirement age, you know, making people work until there's

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Speaker 2: seventy two, or taxing the Bejesus out of people that

797
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Speaker 2: you're already taxed to death, or cutting health and welfare.

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Speaker 2: I mean, is there another option, because it seems like

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Speaker 2: every problem we have, we go, oh, well, let's tax

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Speaker 2: people more.

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Speaker 3: There are a few different options. I mean, Treasury put

802
00:37:04,933 --> 00:37:06,813
Speaker 3: on the table that if you did nothing else, then

803
00:37:06,853 --> 00:37:10,333
Speaker 3: you'd have to pay for everything, increased GST to like

804
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Speaker 3: thirty two percent by twenty sixty five, and I think

805
00:37:12,693 --> 00:37:16,413
Speaker 3: that'd be pretty unpalatable. I do think that conversations around

806
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Speaker 3: the age eligibility you have to come through, not because

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00:37:19,133 --> 00:37:21,893
Speaker 3: I think everyone should definitely work longer, but more because

808
00:37:22,213 --> 00:37:24,893
Speaker 3: the social contract that we've all sort of almost signed

809
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Speaker 3: up to, if you go back in the day, because

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Speaker 3: we have changed the age before and it didn't have

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Speaker 3: the hoopla that we've currently got with it, but we

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Speaker 3: raised it because over time people were living longer and

813
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Speaker 3: therefore spending more of their life on New Zealand super

814
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Speaker 3: and we've seen that over time as well, and so again,

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Speaker 3: you know, looking at where the life expectancy numbers for

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Speaker 3: New Zealanders have gone, I think there is a reasonable

817
00:37:46,293 --> 00:37:48,893
Speaker 3: case to lift it a little bit. But here's probably

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Speaker 3: the bigger one in my mind. At the moment. We've

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Speaker 3: got this odd inconsistency where we increase the rate of

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Speaker 3: New Zealand Super payments by wage infation every year, but

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Speaker 3: we increase the rate of other benefits, jobs seeking, everything

822
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Speaker 3: else by the rate of inflation. Now, if you brought

823
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Speaker 3: New Zealand Super back in line with inflation, which means

824
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Speaker 3: that super news would still be able to buy the

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Speaker 3: same basket of goods year after year, they'd be inflation

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Speaker 3: adjusted and inflation protected, that would go a long way

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Speaker 3: to ensuring that New Zealand was sustainable over time.

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Speaker 2: Now, what about the complexity of people doing different types

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Speaker 2: of work. So whilst you know people are living longer,

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Speaker 2: people that do more physical work, as has been well discussed,

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Speaker 2: break down a lot quicker. And it's very easy for

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Speaker 2: us people like us, like people like yourself that work

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Speaker 2: in numbers and Tyler and I who sit on our

834
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Speaker 2: fat asses talking into microphones, to say that we could

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Speaker 2: raise the retirement age. But we had a caller before

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Speaker 2: from a guy who had he's a labor who's had

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Speaker 2: two hip replacements, three shoulder replacements. He's basically more machine

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Speaker 2: than man. How would you differentiate that?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we've got to look at the current system,

840
00:39:03,013 --> 00:39:06,253
Speaker 3: where we also still don't differentiate. Well, you can't tell

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Speaker 3: me that a builder is absolutely fine at sixty four

842
00:39:09,413 --> 00:39:11,573
Speaker 3: and at sixty five they kil over. My father's in

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Speaker 3: that category, and I can tell you now that the

844
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Speaker 3: man's getting worn down over time. But if we're going

845
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Speaker 3: to have to draw some arbitrary line, then you draw

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Speaker 3: it for everyone. Otherwise it's not going to be universal super.

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Speaker 3: And look, as an economist, I'm totally open to a

848
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Speaker 3: conversation of it not being universal super. But I'm going

849
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Speaker 3: to bet my bottom dollar that your listeners will be saying, well,

850
00:39:30,493 --> 00:39:32,573
Speaker 3: hold on, it's got to be universal, which means you've

851
00:39:32,613 --> 00:39:35,933
Speaker 3: got to put the cut line somewhere. And importantly, again,

852
00:39:36,093 --> 00:39:38,252
Speaker 3: we have done this before. If you go back into

853
00:39:38,293 --> 00:39:42,213
Speaker 3: the nineteen nineties, previously New Zealand super was at sixty

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00:39:42,293 --> 00:39:44,253
Speaker 3: so I'm pretty sure we would have had the same argument.

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Speaker 16: Then.

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Speaker 3: Now, what you would rather do, in my mind, is

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Speaker 3: have some sort of transitionary cover so that those who

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00:39:49,893 --> 00:39:52,333
Speaker 3: are clearly a bit stuffed by that age have a

859
00:39:52,373 --> 00:39:55,533
Speaker 3: bit more support. But we can make some bigger changes, Brad,

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Speaker 3: really great to get you on. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for your expertise. That is Brad Olson's CEO of Informetrics,

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Speaker 3: News Sport and we're the fast approaching stay right here,

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Speaker 3: will be back soon.

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: afternoons used dogs.

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Speaker 10: It'd be.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoons. You hope you're having a good shoesday.

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Speaker 3: It is sex Pass too, so.

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Speaker 2: Tyler and fantastic listeners across their beautiful country. I just

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Speaker 2: had to get Samarai Cootness to open the door coming

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Speaker 2: back from the bathroom.

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Speaker 3: It's for IP treatment, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I can't get an out of the building

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Speaker 2: since I've been on holiday. There's been a change. There's

875
00:40:36,613 --> 00:40:39,493
Speaker 2: no swipe cards anymore. You've got to download an app,

876
00:40:39,533 --> 00:40:41,173
Speaker 2: which I have. But I'm not listed as one of

877
00:40:41,213 --> 00:40:43,373
Speaker 2: the people that's allowed in and out, so I'm having

878
00:40:43,453 --> 00:40:47,093
Speaker 2: to trouble all kinds of high faluting members of the

879
00:40:47,253 --> 00:40:49,253
Speaker 2: exec team to open doors for me so I can

880
00:40:49,293 --> 00:40:50,573
Speaker 2: come back from the bathroom to get on in it.

881
00:40:50,733 --> 00:40:53,493
Speaker 3: That is awkward for you, I know, Shane curry sits

882
00:40:53,573 --> 00:40:56,252
Speaker 3: right on the corner of the hassle shange.

883
00:40:56,293 --> 00:40:58,493
Speaker 2: I've also punished the media inside it to let me

884
00:40:58,613 --> 00:41:00,893
Speaker 2: back in from the bathroom. And there's a hard work

885
00:41:00,933 --> 00:41:02,493
Speaker 2: and people they've got they've got a bitter things to do.

886
00:41:02,693 --> 00:41:06,733
Speaker 2: I know, we've productivities at an all time low. It

887
00:41:07,173 --> 00:41:08,652
Speaker 2: me with people having to let me in from going

888
00:41:08,653 --> 00:41:11,772
Speaker 2: to the bathroom. I'm also hydrating heavily because I'm taking

889
00:41:11,813 --> 00:41:15,893
Speaker 2: these hydration pills yep for my running. You're weight cutting, yeah, yeah,

890
00:41:16,013 --> 00:41:19,453
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm in and out of the bathroom and

891
00:41:19,653 --> 00:41:21,893
Speaker 2: so you know, And like I was told this morning

892
00:41:21,973 --> 00:41:24,733
Speaker 2: that that I would be allowed access to the building.

893
00:41:25,373 --> 00:41:28,813
Speaker 2: But but no, I think I've been quietly fired. Well

894
00:41:28,853 --> 00:41:29,373
Speaker 2: I have.

895
00:41:29,813 --> 00:41:31,692
Speaker 3: It's quite a snazzy we says something I've got to say, mate,

896
00:41:31,693 --> 00:41:32,253
Speaker 3: I really like it.

897
00:41:32,533 --> 00:41:34,213
Speaker 2: Just it's just a passive aggressive way to say that

898
00:41:34,253 --> 00:41:37,133
Speaker 2: I'm no longer on the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

899
00:41:37,253 --> 00:41:40,173
Speaker 2: Afternoon show just by not giving me access to the building.

900
00:41:40,293 --> 00:41:43,212
Speaker 3: But it's because you don't check your emails though, wasn't it. Well,

901
00:41:43,693 --> 00:41:45,812
Speaker 3: I mean you kind of do, you kind of don't.

902
00:41:45,853 --> 00:41:48,093
Speaker 3: You've got You've got a lot of Edmund running. You're

903
00:41:48,093 --> 00:41:51,013
Speaker 3: a very busy man. So you've got multiple emails going on.

904
00:41:51,253 --> 00:41:54,533
Speaker 20: I think I should be get special treatment. I don't

905
00:41:54,533 --> 00:41:56,053
Speaker 20: think I should be having to sort out my own

906
00:41:56,053 --> 00:41:59,573
Speaker 20: staffs and chick and emails. And in fact, I'm surprised

907
00:41:59,613 --> 00:42:01,773
Speaker 20: that someone doesn't, like, you know, come into the bathroom

908
00:42:01,813 --> 00:42:02,692
Speaker 20: with me and help me in there.

909
00:42:02,933 --> 00:42:05,013
Speaker 3: There was one of the engineers. It was just there.

910
00:42:05,013 --> 00:42:06,453
Speaker 3: If they just shut off end or if they heard

911
00:42:06,533 --> 00:42:08,933
Speaker 3: that right. So hopefully some things are happening right now. Mate.

912
00:42:09,293 --> 00:42:12,053
Speaker 2: Ah well, this Texas says, I think something's trying to

913
00:42:12,053 --> 00:42:12,773
Speaker 2: see the message.

914
00:42:14,453 --> 00:42:19,213
Speaker 3: He'll get it no matter what's on the show. This

915
00:42:19,373 --> 00:42:21,693
Speaker 3: is going to be a great chance. So a beloved

916
00:42:21,853 --> 00:42:25,093
Speaker 3: local gastro pub, belove to some. We're getting some things

917
00:42:25,093 --> 00:42:28,093
Speaker 3: about this already. That is on the Hibiscus coast. It

918
00:42:28,253 --> 00:42:30,732
Speaker 3: is losing its right to sell alcohol after a drawing

919
00:42:30,733 --> 00:42:33,293
Speaker 3: out battle over noise complaints from neighbors. So this is

920
00:42:33,413 --> 00:42:35,493
Speaker 3: part of a brewing company. It's been hit with a

921
00:42:35,573 --> 00:42:39,732
Speaker 3: denied license renewal despite its efforts to soundprous, soundproof rather

922
00:42:39,853 --> 00:42:42,853
Speaker 3: and limit noise. So the Field's family, they've been longtime neighbors.

923
00:42:43,053 --> 00:42:45,573
Speaker 3: They say the loud based live bands and late night

924
00:42:45,613 --> 00:42:48,733
Speaker 3: events have destroyed their peace, costing thousands to try and

925
00:42:48,853 --> 00:42:52,252
Speaker 3: soundproof their home. Meanwhile, the pub argues it's a vital

926
00:42:52,293 --> 00:42:55,613
Speaker 3: community hub hosting cultural events and they've bent over backwards

927
00:42:55,653 --> 00:42:56,213
Speaker 3: to accommodate.

928
00:42:56,333 --> 00:42:59,493
Speaker 2: Well, look, we'd like to talk specifically about this pub

929
00:42:59,653 --> 00:43:01,773
Speaker 2: if we can, if you're in the area and you

930
00:43:01,893 --> 00:43:04,333
Speaker 2: know about this exact issue or a lot of people

931
00:43:04,373 --> 00:43:05,573
Speaker 2: got a beautiful part of the world.

932
00:43:05,533 --> 00:43:08,173
Speaker 3: Fantastic part of the world, lovely high Biscus.

933
00:43:08,493 --> 00:43:10,493
Speaker 2: But we also want to talk about the wider issue,

934
00:43:10,653 --> 00:43:13,493
Speaker 2: and we've talked about this on the show before. How

935
00:43:13,653 --> 00:43:16,933
Speaker 2: much should the needs for quiet, the need for quiet

936
00:43:16,973 --> 00:43:19,253
Speaker 2: of the few, be considered over the needs of the

937
00:43:19,373 --> 00:43:23,053
Speaker 2: many to get together and socialize, dance and listen to music.

938
00:43:23,133 --> 00:43:24,973
Speaker 2: I mean, we're only talking about eleven o'clock on the

939
00:43:25,013 --> 00:43:30,493
Speaker 2: weekends and nine pm on weekdays. So surely if you've

940
00:43:30,493 --> 00:43:32,413
Speaker 2: got a couple of people that are gett annoyed by

941
00:43:32,493 --> 00:43:36,413
Speaker 2: the noise, then you've got to weigh that up against

942
00:43:36,573 --> 00:43:41,293
Speaker 2: all the joy that occurs in an establishment. And what

943
00:43:41,573 --> 00:43:46,133
Speaker 2: better in these isolated times and these these trying times

944
00:43:46,173 --> 00:43:47,533
Speaker 2: that we live, and for people to get together and

945
00:43:47,653 --> 00:43:52,293
Speaker 2: dance and listen to music and socialize, meet other people.

946
00:43:53,213 --> 00:43:54,773
Speaker 2: You know, that's what communities are made of.

947
00:43:54,933 --> 00:43:57,933
Speaker 3: We love our pubs, we love to party, are we too?

948
00:43:58,133 --> 00:44:03,853
Speaker 2: Ways our decision making two weighed in favor of the

949
00:44:03,933 --> 00:44:06,533
Speaker 2: people that are sitting at home worried about a little

950
00:44:06,533 --> 00:44:08,652
Speaker 2: bit of noise. And look, they're saying quite a lot

951
00:44:08,693 --> 00:44:12,053
Speaker 2: of noise. They said sometimes sometimes the base was so

952
00:44:12,773 --> 00:44:16,973
Speaker 2: so heavy it would shake their house. And there are

953
00:44:17,053 --> 00:44:21,133
Speaker 2: accusations that they they haven't put all the soundproofing in

954
00:44:21,253 --> 00:44:24,493
Speaker 2: that they should have. But still, I think I think

955
00:44:24,533 --> 00:44:27,133
Speaker 2: you've got a it's an interesting question to ask.

956
00:44:27,213 --> 00:44:29,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

957
00:44:29,093 --> 00:44:31,333
Speaker 3: the number to call our noise complaints a fear reason

958
00:44:31,413 --> 00:44:34,413
Speaker 3: to shut down a popular local venue? Or do they

959
00:44:34,493 --> 00:44:37,373
Speaker 3: represent the Nimbi effect as some people may say, Love

960
00:44:37,413 --> 00:44:39,413
Speaker 3: to hear your thoughts on this one. Nine ninety two

961
00:44:39,693 --> 00:44:40,772
Speaker 3: is the text number?

962
00:44:41,333 --> 00:44:43,973
Speaker 2: Or And also, do you live next door to a

963
00:44:44,053 --> 00:44:46,853
Speaker 2: pub or near a pub, or near a venue and

964
00:44:46,933 --> 00:44:49,773
Speaker 2: it makes a lot of noise and far from complaining,

965
00:44:49,893 --> 00:44:54,653
Speaker 2: you just accept the the the noise and the music,

966
00:44:54,853 --> 00:44:57,053
Speaker 2: and the and the cheering and the yelling and the

967
00:44:57,413 --> 00:44:59,613
Speaker 2: loud talking. You hear that and you go, oh, that

968
00:44:59,813 --> 00:45:03,133
Speaker 2: is my fellow New Zealanders having a good time and

969
00:45:03,533 --> 00:45:06,933
Speaker 2: far from annoying. It fools my heart full of joy.

970
00:45:07,133 --> 00:45:09,213
Speaker 3: If that is you last to hear from you, it

971
00:45:09,333 --> 00:45:12,533
Speaker 3: is beautifully said mate, very poetic. It is eleven past

972
00:45:12,653 --> 00:45:14,413
Speaker 3: to oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighties and number

973
00:45:14,413 --> 00:45:14,772
Speaker 3: to call.

974
00:45:16,293 --> 00:45:21,093
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons.

975
00:45:20,653 --> 00:45:23,693
Speaker 6: Call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk said, be.

976
00:45:25,293 --> 00:45:26,933
Speaker 3: For a good afternoon to you. So we are talking

977
00:45:26,973 --> 00:45:29,693
Speaker 3: about the part of a brewing company. It's on the

978
00:45:29,813 --> 00:45:33,013
Speaker 3: High Biscus Coast and it can no longer sell alcohol

979
00:45:33,133 --> 00:45:35,773
Speaker 3: for a period after a long drawn out battle over

980
00:45:35,853 --> 00:45:39,133
Speaker 3: noise complaints from neighbors. These neighbors, the Fields family, say

981
00:45:39,173 --> 00:45:41,653
Speaker 3: that the loud based live bands and late night events

982
00:45:41,693 --> 00:45:44,373
Speaker 3: have destroyed their peace. But the pub did hit back

983
00:45:44,733 --> 00:45:46,652
Speaker 3: and said that they've done everything they can to try

984
00:45:46,653 --> 00:45:49,973
Speaker 3: and accommodate. The live music was shut down at eleven

985
00:45:50,013 --> 00:45:53,413
Speaker 3: pm on weekends and nine pm on weekdays, and they

986
00:45:53,733 --> 00:45:56,533
Speaker 3: also spent a considerable some on soundproof in itself.

987
00:45:56,773 --> 00:46:00,453
Speaker 2: So is eleven pm on weekends that seems doesn't seem

988
00:46:00,493 --> 00:46:03,373
Speaker 2: too late. You can still get your full sleeping still

989
00:46:03,373 --> 00:46:05,773
Speaker 2: get you full eight hours in if the music stops

990
00:46:05,813 --> 00:46:06,453
Speaker 2: at eleven.

991
00:46:06,293 --> 00:46:08,893
Speaker 3: Pretty reasonable to make sleep through to seven. Nine pm

992
00:46:08,973 --> 00:46:10,053
Speaker 3: on a weekday, that's all right.

993
00:46:10,213 --> 00:46:11,973
Speaker 2: Yeah nine pm in a week down, doesn't I mean,

994
00:46:12,013 --> 00:46:13,013
Speaker 2: who's in bed at nine pm?

995
00:46:13,173 --> 00:46:15,573
Speaker 3: Ned Flanders? I can't think of anybody else, you know,

996
00:46:15,693 --> 00:46:16,933
Speaker 3: the sun still out at nine pm.

997
00:46:17,173 --> 00:46:19,373
Speaker 2: Actually, to be fair, sometimes Tracy and I are like,

998
00:46:19,573 --> 00:46:21,373
Speaker 2: we look at the clock and go, oh God, can

999
00:46:21,413 --> 00:46:25,213
Speaker 2: we go to bed here? It's eight o'clock. This textas

1000
00:46:25,213 --> 00:46:28,413
Speaker 2: says I lived across the road from that pub. Thursday

1001
00:46:28,453 --> 00:46:30,973
Speaker 2: through Saturdays were loud. Never bothered me. Maybe I'm not

1002
00:46:31,053 --> 00:46:33,893
Speaker 2: old and miserable and frail yet. Yeah, okay, you just

1003
00:46:34,253 --> 00:46:37,253
Speaker 2: do a drive by on and they just drive by.

1004
00:46:39,173 --> 00:46:42,813
Speaker 2: But fair enough, Troy, you live close to this taven.

1005
00:46:43,893 --> 00:46:45,453
Speaker 12: Oh, I used to live just down the road. I

1006
00:46:45,493 --> 00:46:48,453
Speaker 12: actually live in one hour, a few k's away. But

1007
00:46:50,133 --> 00:46:52,373
Speaker 12: I think I was at the opening night of that venue,

1008
00:46:52,413 --> 00:46:56,413
Speaker 12: and I've been there several times since, and it's one

1009
00:46:56,453 --> 00:46:59,133
Speaker 12: of the best live music venues definitely on the North Shore,

1010
00:46:59,253 --> 00:47:04,172
Speaker 12: that's without a doubt. I know the owner quite well,

1011
00:47:05,933 --> 00:47:08,813
Speaker 12: and he has pumped an enormous amount of money into

1012
00:47:08,853 --> 00:47:12,292
Speaker 12: their menu to make it, you know, like a world

1013
00:47:12,373 --> 00:47:16,493
Speaker 12: class pub menu. It's not like it's not like the

1014
00:47:16,573 --> 00:47:17,933
Speaker 12: old glue pot back in the day.

1015
00:47:18,013 --> 00:47:19,973
Speaker 8: You're putting away great venue.

1016
00:47:20,773 --> 00:47:20,933
Speaker 21: You know.

1017
00:47:21,053 --> 00:47:24,613
Speaker 12: And he said international artists there and obviously a lot

1018
00:47:24,693 --> 00:47:27,453
Speaker 12: of the top key we artists that played there. It's

1019
00:47:27,493 --> 00:47:28,773
Speaker 12: a fantastic Can me.

1020
00:47:29,133 --> 00:47:31,413
Speaker 2: How many people can can go to see a band there?

1021
00:47:32,013 --> 00:47:32,533
Speaker 2: How does say?

1022
00:47:32,733 --> 00:47:35,533
Speaker 12: It's kind of it's a big area. It used to

1023
00:47:35,573 --> 00:47:37,853
Speaker 12: be I think it was the old Whistpac Bank and

1024
00:47:37,893 --> 00:47:41,133
Speaker 12: the shop next door. So I've been there with it.

1025
00:47:41,213 --> 00:47:43,692
Speaker 12: There's sort of like two fifty three hundred people here.

1026
00:47:43,893 --> 00:47:46,613
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and so so so when you say that

1027
00:47:46,693 --> 00:47:48,373
Speaker 2: it used to be the old whisp Pac or or

1028
00:47:48,653 --> 00:47:52,493
Speaker 2: or whatever, so it wasn't a bar. So the argument

1029
00:47:52,533 --> 00:47:54,733
Speaker 2: that that that that, you know, like I always have

1030
00:47:54,813 --> 00:47:56,693
Speaker 2: with Eden Park. So I lived beside Eden Park and

1031
00:47:56,973 --> 00:47:57,453
Speaker 2: I love that.

1032
00:47:57,493 --> 00:47:58,172
Speaker 3: This concert there.

1033
00:47:58,213 --> 00:48:00,053
Speaker 2: In the noise, it's like no one could move by

1034
00:48:00,173 --> 00:48:01,733
Speaker 2: Dan Park and not know Eden Park was there. So

1035
00:48:01,773 --> 00:48:04,613
Speaker 2: it's ridiculous to complain about the noise. But but this

1036
00:48:04,893 --> 00:48:08,773
Speaker 2: this pub was new And how long ago was that opening, Troy, Oh, it.

1037
00:48:08,813 --> 00:48:12,373
Speaker 12: Would be I'd be five to six years ago, right,

1038
00:48:13,373 --> 00:48:13,773
Speaker 12: and that.

1039
00:48:14,373 --> 00:48:16,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just having a look at a map. But

1040
00:48:16,573 --> 00:48:19,013
Speaker 3: you couldn't quite cool it a resard injee area though,

1041
00:48:19,053 --> 00:48:21,453
Speaker 3: could you. It looks like it's industrial in that little bit.

1042
00:48:22,413 --> 00:48:24,093
Speaker 12: Yeah, to the block of shops there with the car

1043
00:48:24,213 --> 00:48:28,173
Speaker 12: park out the front, and the residential area would be

1044
00:48:28,533 --> 00:48:31,013
Speaker 12: you know, one hundred meters with the streets on the

1045
00:48:31,053 --> 00:48:34,213
Speaker 12: other side of the main road there, So they're definitely

1046
00:48:34,293 --> 00:48:37,573
Speaker 12: houses in the area. But like he's done everything he

1047
00:48:37,693 --> 00:48:40,053
Speaker 12: can possible in terms of you know, he's cutbackers house.

1048
00:48:40,093 --> 00:48:42,333
Speaker 12: I think he's cut it back to eleven or offered

1049
00:48:42,373 --> 00:48:44,493
Speaker 12: to cut it back to eleven pm on the weekends.

1050
00:48:45,013 --> 00:48:47,293
Speaker 12: I think he's offered to cut it back to nine pm,

1051
00:48:49,253 --> 00:48:52,292
Speaker 12: you know, during the week and there's not often loud

1052
00:48:52,373 --> 00:48:57,093
Speaker 12: loud music on. It's normally one night a week, you know.

1053
00:48:58,493 --> 00:49:01,253
Speaker 12: But you know, they awarded it, they awarded the license.

1054
00:49:03,293 --> 00:49:06,493
Speaker 12: They're not taking his alcohol license away because he's contravened

1055
00:49:06,493 --> 00:49:12,773
Speaker 12: the rules around alcohol. It's simply around noise. So it

1056
00:49:12,773 --> 00:49:15,453
Speaker 12: would be pretty hard to keep their venue going and

1057
00:49:15,973 --> 00:49:20,933
Speaker 12: without an alcohol license and an alcohol three situation.

1058
00:49:21,213 --> 00:49:27,293
Speaker 2: So whenever chie to open an alcohol free bar for

1059
00:49:27,453 --> 00:49:31,293
Speaker 2: bands to play, it that that's that's crickets and tumbleweed.

1060
00:49:31,813 --> 00:49:34,013
Speaker 2: So describe the atmosphere and in the bar.

1061
00:49:34,453 --> 00:49:37,853
Speaker 11: So, I don't know, a very good that's really like

1062
00:49:37,973 --> 00:49:40,893
Speaker 11: the setup, And the hiker said, you know, the bar

1063
00:49:41,093 --> 00:49:43,573
Speaker 11: tops and and the amount of work and money that

1064
00:49:43,693 --> 00:49:46,013
Speaker 11: he's spent on getting that case over.

1065
00:49:46,093 --> 00:49:47,453
Speaker 22: It's a big open space.

1066
00:49:48,333 --> 00:49:49,853
Speaker 12: Uh, you know, solid.

1067
00:49:49,653 --> 00:49:54,652
Speaker 22: Concrete floors, really nice cables, beautiful lighting, a big bar

1068
00:49:54,813 --> 00:49:57,933
Speaker 22: that wraps around the whole place, good facilities, good toilets,

1069
00:49:58,853 --> 00:50:01,333
Speaker 22: tour cables, dart boards down the back.

1070
00:50:01,213 --> 00:50:05,573
Speaker 12: Corner, hosting cruise nights and community groups and all sorts

1071
00:50:05,613 --> 00:50:09,613
Speaker 12: of stuff goes on there, you know, fundraisers for cancer.

1072
00:50:10,253 --> 00:50:13,813
Speaker 12: The list goes on and on. So mister good Giraffe,

1073
00:50:13,973 --> 00:50:16,053
Speaker 12: the owner has done a great job. He might have

1074
00:50:16,453 --> 00:50:19,493
Speaker 12: upset the counsel in some way, I think towards someone's

1075
00:50:19,533 --> 00:50:21,493
Speaker 12: got a little bee on the bonnot that that two

1076
00:50:21,613 --> 00:50:26,453
Speaker 12: people can overturn, you know, And it's sad, really, it'll

1077
00:50:26,493 --> 00:50:29,093
Speaker 12: be sad. I think he's going to license until the

1078
00:50:29,213 --> 00:50:31,293
Speaker 12: second of December, is what I understand.

1079
00:50:32,413 --> 00:50:35,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, So for you, Troy, do you think generally and

1080
00:50:35,173 --> 00:50:37,093
Speaker 3: this one is there's a bit of gray area here,

1081
00:50:37,133 --> 00:50:39,653
Speaker 3: which is why it's a great discussion, but generally, for you,

1082
00:50:40,053 --> 00:50:43,533
Speaker 3: you think the joy and the community spirit that this

1083
00:50:43,653 --> 00:50:48,093
Speaker 3: pub brings to that area should override this particular neighbor

1084
00:50:48,133 --> 00:50:50,413
Speaker 3: and the multiple noise complaints for the good of the community.

1085
00:50:51,693 --> 00:50:54,613
Speaker 3: I do interesting, all right, right.

1086
00:50:55,293 --> 00:50:57,413
Speaker 2: So that the residence, one of the residents in this

1087
00:50:58,333 --> 00:51:01,413
Speaker 2: story of Vivian and says, we shouldn't have to spend

1088
00:51:01,493 --> 00:51:03,692
Speaker 2: this much to get peace and quiet in our own home.

1089
00:51:04,133 --> 00:51:06,213
Speaker 2: So they're saying that they've had to the couple of

1090
00:51:06,253 --> 00:51:09,013
Speaker 2: saying that they've had to do a bunch of stuff

1091
00:51:09,813 --> 00:51:11,573
Speaker 2: to their house to try and block out the sound

1092
00:51:11,693 --> 00:51:15,493
Speaker 2: coming through. So it's a very difficult thing, isn't it.

1093
00:51:15,653 --> 00:51:18,413
Speaker 2: So the rights of two people to live in their house,

1094
00:51:18,453 --> 00:51:22,533
Speaker 2: which it's not full suburbia, you know, it's this isn't Subibia.

1095
00:51:22,533 --> 00:51:24,813
Speaker 2: I mean it used to be a Westpac. It's in

1096
00:51:25,733 --> 00:51:28,973
Speaker 2: a sort of shopping center type area. But should those

1097
00:51:29,053 --> 00:51:33,573
Speaker 2: rights of those people supersede the rights of other people

1098
00:51:33,653 --> 00:51:35,613
Speaker 2: to go along and have a drink and watch a

1099
00:51:35,693 --> 00:51:36,653
Speaker 2: band and do music.

1100
00:51:36,733 --> 00:51:38,813
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think so though, because if it

1101
00:51:38,933 --> 00:51:41,413
Speaker 3: is still, if it is zone commercial and a pub

1102
00:51:41,573 --> 00:51:45,613
Speaker 3: is commercial, those neighbors would have known that they knew

1103
00:51:45,693 --> 00:51:48,373
Speaker 3: that it was zone commercial and a lot of people

1104
00:51:48,493 --> 00:51:50,373
Speaker 3: have sympathy and if you've got sympathy for these people

1105
00:51:50,573 --> 00:51:52,853
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. But I still think

1106
00:51:52,893 --> 00:51:55,693
Speaker 3: that's part and parcel that you know the zone areas

1107
00:51:56,493 --> 00:51:59,333
Speaker 3: before you buy a house, hopefully, but if it has

1108
00:51:59,493 --> 00:52:01,133
Speaker 3: changed since I bought the house, then maybe that's a

1109
00:52:01,173 --> 00:52:01,692
Speaker 3: different case.

1110
00:52:01,773 --> 00:52:04,613
Speaker 2: All right, This Texas says great venue only just recovering

1111
00:52:04,693 --> 00:52:07,893
Speaker 2: post COVID, really a great employer of musicians such as myself,

1112
00:52:07,973 --> 00:52:11,013
Speaker 2: such as shame. Why is loud noise punished by withdrawal

1113
00:52:11,093 --> 00:52:14,053
Speaker 2: of the alcohol license? It's meant to ruin the business? Clearly,

1114
00:52:14,173 --> 00:52:18,172
Speaker 2: great food really unique in modern venue. That's from Pauline Nice.

1115
00:52:18,293 --> 00:52:19,653
Speaker 2: We've got a bunch of calls coming through.

1116
00:52:19,853 --> 00:52:21,573
Speaker 3: And just he heads that we are going to have

1117
00:52:21,613 --> 00:52:24,212
Speaker 3: a chat to the owner. His name is Zin. He's

1118
00:52:24,613 --> 00:52:26,813
Speaker 3: going to join us in about nine minutes time.

1119
00:52:26,853 --> 00:52:27,813
Speaker 2: But love to hear your views.

1120
00:52:27,813 --> 00:52:29,813
Speaker 3: I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty's number to call.

1121
00:52:29,733 --> 00:52:31,533
Speaker 2: A lot of people saying who was first? They're the

1122
00:52:31,733 --> 00:52:34,293
Speaker 2: pub or the neighbors. I think that's where it gets complicated,

1123
00:52:34,613 --> 00:52:37,613
Speaker 2: That's where it gets murky, because I think I don't

1124
00:52:37,613 --> 00:52:39,933
Speaker 2: know when these neighbors moved in, but it would appear

1125
00:52:39,973 --> 00:52:41,933
Speaker 2: that the pub come later. It's not a historical thing.

1126
00:52:42,053 --> 00:52:44,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems that's the case. Yeah, twenty one pass.

1127
00:52:44,533 --> 00:52:51,053
Speaker 6: To Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons.

1128
00:52:51,253 --> 00:52:53,893
Speaker 1: Call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on news Talk

1129
00:52:53,973 --> 00:52:55,013
Speaker 1: ZB afternoon.

1130
00:52:55,093 --> 00:52:57,212
Speaker 3: It's twenty four past two. We're talking about this pub

1131
00:52:57,293 --> 00:52:59,253
Speaker 3: on the High Biscus Coast. It's lost its right to

1132
00:52:59,293 --> 00:53:03,453
Speaker 3: sal booze after a long drawn out battle over noise complaints.

1133
00:53:03,453 --> 00:53:05,133
Speaker 3: So was this fear? Love to hear your thoughts. I

1134
00:53:05,173 --> 00:53:07,133
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. The name of the

1135
00:53:07,253 --> 00:53:10,093
Speaker 3: bar is part of a brewing company.

1136
00:53:11,093 --> 00:53:14,693
Speaker 2: And Jenny, you live pretty close to the bar? Is

1137
00:53:14,733 --> 00:53:15,173
Speaker 2: that correct?

1138
00:53:16,453 --> 00:53:16,652
Speaker 10: Yes?

1139
00:53:16,933 --> 00:53:21,533
Speaker 18: Yes, I live down the hill from it, and which

1140
00:53:21,613 --> 00:53:29,893
Speaker 18: is the only residences that are that closed. There are

1141
00:53:30,133 --> 00:53:36,133
Speaker 18: also some apartment blocks behind it, but still quite a

1142
00:53:36,253 --> 00:53:42,533
Speaker 18: distance from it. But I don't think the noise. You know,

1143
00:53:42,573 --> 00:53:44,693
Speaker 18: they've been going for quite a while now, and it

1144
00:53:44,733 --> 00:53:47,573
Speaker 18: would only be a couple of times I've ever thought

1145
00:53:48,053 --> 00:53:51,893
Speaker 18: that I had heard the loud music or anything. Because

1146
00:53:52,013 --> 00:53:56,893
Speaker 18: the wind happens to be blowing in our direction. Whether

1147
00:53:57,013 --> 00:54:00,213
Speaker 18: that's what's happening to the people who are complaining or not?

1148
00:54:00,413 --> 00:54:06,373
Speaker 2: I don't know. Is it a particularly raucous of venue, Jenny.

1149
00:54:08,053 --> 00:54:09,613
Speaker 21: One that I've ever noticed.

1150
00:54:09,733 --> 00:54:15,173
Speaker 18: No, on the times that I have had this loud music,

1151
00:54:15,493 --> 00:54:17,813
Speaker 18: I kind of it took me a while to figure

1152
00:54:17,853 --> 00:54:20,973
Speaker 18: out that it must be coming from there, because I

1153
00:54:21,093 --> 00:54:23,053
Speaker 18: thought perhaps it could well have been one of the

1154
00:54:23,173 --> 00:54:27,093
Speaker 18: parties that you're here going on around the area sometime. Yeah, yeah,

1155
00:54:27,093 --> 00:54:31,493
Speaker 18: of course, you know, they can go on a lot

1156
00:54:31,573 --> 00:54:33,093
Speaker 18: longer at night sometimes.

1157
00:54:33,653 --> 00:54:33,813
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1158
00:54:33,853 --> 00:54:36,213
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's this place's got eleven pm curfew

1159
00:54:36,453 --> 00:54:38,853
Speaker 2: in the weekends and nine pm in the weekdays. So

1160
00:54:38,893 --> 00:54:41,533
Speaker 2: you have been along to see a band there or anything, Jenny,

1161
00:54:42,413 --> 00:54:42,693
Speaker 2: I have.

1162
00:54:43,053 --> 00:54:45,133
Speaker 18: I have been there a couple of times, but not

1163
00:54:45,293 --> 00:54:48,413
Speaker 18: actually when they're when they've got a concert on. But

1164
00:54:48,493 --> 00:54:53,093
Speaker 18: I've seen numerous advertisements for different events that they've got

1165
00:54:53,173 --> 00:54:56,413
Speaker 18: on there that I'd like to go to, but I

1166
00:54:56,573 --> 00:55:00,973
Speaker 18: just haven't actually been there now. But it's a good place, and.

1167
00:55:02,613 --> 00:55:03,533
Speaker 2: Oh, sorry you continue.

1168
00:55:04,573 --> 00:55:09,013
Speaker 18: It's actually one of the few places on the peninsula

1169
00:55:09,613 --> 00:55:12,652
Speaker 18: that is it. It's actually a place where you can

1170
00:55:12,773 --> 00:55:16,172
Speaker 18: go out at night if you want to, because it's

1171
00:55:16,253 --> 00:55:20,933
Speaker 18: quite a quiet Peninsula, and there's not a lot of

1172
00:55:21,213 --> 00:55:23,573
Speaker 18: eating places, and there's not a lot of bars. There

1173
00:55:23,653 --> 00:55:26,053
Speaker 18: is one other bar in that complex because it's in

1174
00:55:26,133 --> 00:55:30,893
Speaker 18: a big shopping complex, but it's just, you know, it

1175
00:55:31,053 --> 00:55:32,093
Speaker 18: is a quiet area.

1176
00:55:32,213 --> 00:55:32,853
Speaker 21: I guess.

1177
00:55:36,253 --> 00:55:39,293
Speaker 18: It must be just really impinging on their quietness.

1178
00:55:39,653 --> 00:55:43,653
Speaker 2: Do you do you feel like generally the community is

1179
00:55:43,693 --> 00:55:46,973
Speaker 2: supportive of the place and happy to have live music

1180
00:55:47,133 --> 00:55:49,453
Speaker 2: and such in the neighborhood.

1181
00:55:49,533 --> 00:55:49,773
Speaker 10: Does that?

1182
00:55:49,893 --> 00:55:51,293
Speaker 2: Is that what you get from talking to people in

1183
00:55:51,333 --> 00:55:52,252
Speaker 2: your name in your area?

1184
00:55:53,973 --> 00:55:56,413
Speaker 18: Well, yeah, I think so. I do know somebody that

1185
00:55:56,533 --> 00:56:00,453
Speaker 18: goes there quite often. They're really news so kind of

1186
00:56:00,533 --> 00:56:03,613
Speaker 18: a person and he hangs out with that kind of

1187
00:56:03,653 --> 00:56:07,732
Speaker 18: a crowd as well, so they it's really beneficial to them.

1188
00:56:09,733 --> 00:56:11,693
Speaker 18: I mean, there is just nowhere else to go. And

1189
00:56:11,853 --> 00:56:14,893
Speaker 18: you've got to think about all the young people up here.

1190
00:56:16,333 --> 00:56:19,293
Speaker 18: There are a lot of retired people up here as.

1191
00:56:19,213 --> 00:56:20,333
Speaker 12: Well, you know, so.

1192
00:56:21,853 --> 00:56:23,573
Speaker 18: That the young people have got to have a place

1193
00:56:23,653 --> 00:56:28,613
Speaker 18: to go. And this bar is in a big complex

1194
00:56:28,773 --> 00:56:32,413
Speaker 18: of all the businesses around it are closed at that time,

1195
00:56:33,773 --> 00:56:39,853
Speaker 18: and so it's quite on its own and just I

1196
00:56:39,933 --> 00:56:42,493
Speaker 18: don't know how it can be causing that much of

1197
00:56:42,573 --> 00:56:43,093
Speaker 18: a problem.

1198
00:56:43,373 --> 00:56:46,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, So if it did get shut down or after

1199
00:56:46,653 --> 00:56:49,853
Speaker 3: this incident, you know, and he can't serve alcohol. When

1200
00:56:49,933 --> 00:56:52,453
Speaker 3: he decides that he can't keep it running, that would

1201
00:56:52,533 --> 00:56:53,893
Speaker 3: have a massive impact on the area.

1202
00:56:59,093 --> 00:57:01,813
Speaker 18: Well, I can't really answer that. I think there would

1203
00:57:01,853 --> 00:57:03,933
Speaker 18: be a lot of people who like to go there,

1204
00:57:04,013 --> 00:57:08,093
Speaker 18: you know, that would be very disappointed. But to be honest,

1205
00:57:08,333 --> 00:57:11,133
Speaker 18: actually don't know how many deeply has going there with

1206
00:57:11,253 --> 00:57:16,013
Speaker 18: all these concerts. But no, as somebody else said, they're

1207
00:57:16,053 --> 00:57:19,373
Speaker 18: not like they're having them every night. Yeah's trently in

1208
00:57:19,453 --> 00:57:22,293
Speaker 18: the weekend or something, there might be one and the

1209
00:57:22,373 --> 00:57:24,333
Speaker 18: rest of the time it is just you know, a

1210
00:57:24,413 --> 00:57:27,733
Speaker 18: social bar. There's Paul table in there and darts and

1211
00:57:27,893 --> 00:57:32,133
Speaker 18: the darts guys go there to play darts and you know,

1212
00:57:32,213 --> 00:57:33,813
Speaker 18: it's just a social place.

1213
00:57:35,013 --> 00:57:38,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much, Jenny Good to get your thoughts, Oh,

1214
00:57:38,373 --> 00:57:40,733
Speaker 3: one hundred eighty teen eighty is the number to call.

1215
00:57:40,813 --> 00:57:42,573
Speaker 3: Coming up. We are going to have a chat with

1216
00:57:42,773 --> 00:57:45,813
Speaker 3: the owner of this particular pub in question. His name

1217
00:57:45,933 --> 00:57:49,293
Speaker 3: is Zen good Gerati, so we're going to get his

1218
00:57:49,493 --> 00:57:51,533
Speaker 3: side of things. But love to your thoughts on eight

1219
00:57:51,653 --> 00:57:54,373
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty nine to nine two text number.

1220
00:57:54,613 --> 00:57:56,693
Speaker 2: Tell the bar owner says this texta to buy out

1221
00:57:56,733 --> 00:57:59,453
Speaker 2: the homeowner if there's only one complainant or swap homes.

1222
00:57:59,973 --> 00:58:02,813
Speaker 2: Just a thought. Well, I mean it's been pretty expensive

1223
00:58:03,213 --> 00:58:05,493
Speaker 2: exactly to shut them up. But sometimes you can't because

1224
00:58:05,533 --> 00:58:08,773
Speaker 2: I know a promoter and it was actually my band

1225
00:58:08,893 --> 00:58:10,853
Speaker 2: used to tour in summer and we've got all these venues,

1226
00:58:10,893 --> 00:58:13,453
Speaker 2: and there was a particular venue we played, and we

1227
00:58:13,533 --> 00:58:16,013
Speaker 2: played it a few years in a row, and there

1228
00:58:16,093 --> 00:58:19,133
Speaker 2: was only one couple that complained about it every year

1229
00:58:19,373 --> 00:58:22,133
Speaker 2: and at one point that they snuck on and pulled

1230
00:58:22,133 --> 00:58:25,213
Speaker 2: out the generator while she had We're playing on New

1231
00:58:25,253 --> 00:58:28,333
Speaker 2: Year's Eve dirty And the promoters in this area won't

1232
00:58:28,333 --> 00:58:31,333
Speaker 2: say it. Was offered to fly them on holidays overseas

1233
00:58:31,493 --> 00:58:35,013
Speaker 2: during the time, offered them everything, and they were like, no,

1234
00:58:35,293 --> 00:58:37,013
Speaker 2: we want this shut down. So there's some people that

1235
00:58:37,293 --> 00:58:40,493
Speaker 2: just feel it becomes their cause. This has obviously happened

1236
00:58:40,493 --> 00:58:43,533
Speaker 2: around Eden Park with you not to name names, but

1237
00:58:43,613 --> 00:58:45,773
Speaker 2: it becomes their cause and they're not really looking for

1238
00:58:45,813 --> 00:58:48,173
Speaker 2: a logical solution. It can become punitive. I'm not saying

1239
00:58:48,213 --> 00:58:50,733
Speaker 2: that's the case in this case, but they just get

1240
00:58:50,893 --> 00:58:53,653
Speaker 2: entrenched and they want to wield some power against some people,

1241
00:58:54,013 --> 00:58:59,373
Speaker 2: and some people just hate the cheerful, joyous cheers and

1242
00:59:00,213 --> 00:59:03,573
Speaker 2: chatterings and dancing and music of other people.

1243
00:59:03,733 --> 00:59:05,493
Speaker 3: There are a few of those people, that's for sure,

1244
00:59:05,653 --> 00:59:08,653
Speaker 3: right there are grunches in our communities. Certainly it is

1245
00:59:08,813 --> 00:59:10,733
Speaker 3: up us too. Coming up we have a chat with

1246
00:59:10,773 --> 00:59:13,733
Speaker 3: the owner zo.

1247
00:59:14,253 --> 00:59:17,853
Speaker 14: Use talks be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no

1248
00:59:18,013 --> 00:59:21,093
Speaker 14: trouble with a blue bubble. The Government's agreed a two

1249
00:59:21,293 --> 00:59:25,653
Speaker 14: agency approach to medical device procurement between Health New Zealand

1250
00:59:25,733 --> 00:59:28,893
Speaker 14: and Farmac. It will leverage the health provider's bulk buying

1251
00:59:28,973 --> 00:59:34,213
Speaker 14: ability and Farmac's technical expertise. A Wellington Body corporate says

1252
00:59:34,253 --> 00:59:38,333
Speaker 14: plan changes to building requirements on seismic protections don't do

1253
00:59:38,413 --> 00:59:40,773
Speaker 14: as much as hoped and they are crying out for

1254
00:59:40,893 --> 00:59:44,493
Speaker 14: help with strengthening costs. The changes will exempt low risk

1255
00:59:44,533 --> 00:59:48,733
Speaker 14: areas from requirements and change rules on which buildings need strengthening.

1256
00:59:49,773 --> 00:59:52,813
Speaker 14: A plan to stockpile coal at Huntley Pile Station is

1257
00:59:52,853 --> 00:59:56,053
Speaker 14: a step closer, with the Commis Commission signaling it will

1258
00:59:56,133 --> 00:59:59,533
Speaker 14: approve a deal letting major power companies share the cost.

1259
01:00:00,613 --> 01:00:04,413
Speaker 14: The Health Minister is welcoming Health Target improvements for cancer treatment,

1260
01:00:04,853 --> 01:00:08,813
Speaker 14: child immanization, ed stays and wait times. It says some

1261
01:00:08,973 --> 01:00:13,613
Speaker 14: regional results lag behind restaurants, brands and z to receive

1262
01:00:13,933 --> 01:00:17,813
Speaker 14: full takeover offer from larger shareholder. You can find out

1263
01:00:17,853 --> 01:00:20,333
Speaker 14: more at ends in Herell Premium. Now back to matt

1264
01:00:20,453 --> 01:00:21,493
Speaker 14: Ethan Tyler Adams.

1265
01:00:21,573 --> 01:00:23,973
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. So we've been talking about

1266
01:00:24,093 --> 01:00:26,733
Speaker 3: the plight of the part of a brewing company it

1267
01:00:26,853 --> 01:00:29,173
Speaker 3: has lost its right to sell alcohol after a drawn

1268
01:00:29,173 --> 01:00:32,453
Speaker 3: out battle over noise complaints from its neighbors. Joining us

1269
01:00:32,773 --> 01:00:35,253
Speaker 3: on the phone right now is the owner of the

1270
01:00:35,333 --> 01:00:36,093
Speaker 3: brewing company.

1271
01:00:36,493 --> 01:00:36,693
Speaker 23: Zen.

1272
01:00:37,013 --> 01:00:39,053
Speaker 3: Good Girardi, Zen, very good afternoon to you.

1273
01:00:40,253 --> 01:00:40,893
Speaker 24: Good afternoon.

1274
01:00:41,333 --> 01:00:41,413
Speaker 10: Hey.

1275
01:00:41,453 --> 01:00:43,933
Speaker 2: We're hearing a lot of positive feedback around your bar

1276
01:00:44,093 --> 01:00:46,853
Speaker 2: coming through on the text machine and phones. Congratulations on that.

1277
01:00:47,093 --> 01:00:52,253
Speaker 2: Now you've mentioned curfews, soundproofing and you've got a noise

1278
01:00:52,333 --> 01:00:54,573
Speaker 2: management plan going on. What do you think the district

1279
01:00:54,693 --> 01:00:59,453
Speaker 2: Licensing Committee still found your efforts insufficient?

1280
01:01:02,213 --> 01:01:03,373
Speaker 5: So be what they have.

1281
01:01:05,373 --> 01:01:08,093
Speaker 24: In their decision. What they have said that we have

1282
01:01:08,413 --> 01:01:13,573
Speaker 24: artly implemented the NMP the noise management plans, but I

1283
01:01:13,653 --> 01:01:14,773
Speaker 24: think they have got it wrong.

1284
01:01:15,053 --> 01:01:15,373
Speaker 19: What we.

1285
01:01:17,013 --> 01:01:21,093
Speaker 24: Said was that some of the bands that we have

1286
01:01:21,173 --> 01:01:26,813
Speaker 24: already booked. We cannot change them. And the ones that

1287
01:01:26,933 --> 01:01:30,373
Speaker 24: are we are already booking them. They are already part

1288
01:01:30,453 --> 01:01:35,213
Speaker 24: of the the new noise management plans. So the curfew

1289
01:01:35,293 --> 01:01:39,133
Speaker 24: that we're talking about eleven, some of the bands they

1290
01:01:39,253 --> 01:01:42,533
Speaker 24: might finish at a quarter past eleven. Most of the

1291
01:01:42,613 --> 01:01:47,893
Speaker 24: gigs they are finished by eleven thirty anyways, But the

1292
01:01:48,013 --> 01:01:50,893
Speaker 24: new as but the new plan that we have provided.

1293
01:01:51,893 --> 01:01:54,653
Speaker 24: In fact, we have most of our bands, we tell

1294
01:01:54,693 --> 01:01:58,053
Speaker 24: them ten ten thirty and the maximum they can go

1295
01:01:58,253 --> 01:02:02,653
Speaker 24: is to eleven. Another thing was the noise limits. They

1296
01:02:02,693 --> 01:02:04,813
Speaker 24: call it up, but it's we already have a sound

1297
01:02:04,893 --> 01:02:09,973
Speaker 24: technician who is looking after it, and he's in full

1298
01:02:10,053 --> 01:02:16,013
Speaker 24: control of the sound that we have now. Hence uh

1299
01:02:17,253 --> 01:02:19,333
Speaker 24: so it's all under control. But most of the things

1300
01:02:19,373 --> 01:02:23,053
Speaker 24: that I feel is very the decision seems to be

1301
01:02:23,173 --> 01:02:26,933
Speaker 24: very excessive and oppressive, to be honest, Well, what do.

1302
01:02:26,973 --> 01:02:29,133
Speaker 2: You what do you say to those residents who are

1303
01:02:29,213 --> 01:02:31,373
Speaker 2: saying that that the noise is I mean, if my

1304
01:02:31,493 --> 01:02:35,613
Speaker 2: claims disrupted their health and well being even after your changes,

1305
01:02:36,533 --> 01:02:38,213
Speaker 2: what do you think about that? Do you think that sphere?

1306
01:02:40,013 --> 01:02:43,773
Speaker 24: What in the in the hearing, I went myself and

1307
01:02:43,893 --> 01:02:46,293
Speaker 24: I say that we empathize with them. So there is

1308
01:02:46,413 --> 01:02:50,613
Speaker 24: nothing against those neighbors one particular house that we are

1309
01:02:50,613 --> 01:02:53,373
Speaker 24: talking about here, there is, I mean the neighbors next

1310
01:02:53,453 --> 01:02:58,533
Speaker 24: door or around the particular objectives are pretty happy. They

1311
01:02:58,573 --> 01:03:02,933
Speaker 24: are our regular patrons. And yes, we have been working

1312
01:03:03,013 --> 01:03:05,613
Speaker 24: with them. They have my direct number. They can call

1313
01:03:05,733 --> 01:03:08,253
Speaker 24: me Ma and me any time they can have meat.

1314
01:03:09,573 --> 01:03:12,093
Speaker 24: They have said it that they have met me eleven times,

1315
01:03:12,133 --> 01:03:13,853
Speaker 24: but to be honest, they have only made me once.

1316
01:03:16,173 --> 01:03:23,253
Speaker 24: And we are we haven't taking mitigating efforts to you know,

1317
01:03:24,133 --> 01:03:26,453
Speaker 24: to make it happen for them, but they if if

1318
01:03:26,533 --> 01:03:28,693
Speaker 24: they think that it's going to happen overnight. I mean

1319
01:03:28,733 --> 01:03:31,453
Speaker 24: it's a big place, seven of the meters we're talking about,

1320
01:03:32,173 --> 01:03:38,093
Speaker 24: and just imagine having changes soundproofing the old place which

1321
01:03:38,173 --> 01:03:40,733
Speaker 24: we have been working on. I have spent considerable amount

1322
01:03:40,813 --> 01:03:44,453
Speaker 24: of money already tens of thousands of dollars so far,

1323
01:03:44,733 --> 01:03:49,013
Speaker 24: and we are committed to spend more money on it.

1324
01:03:49,173 --> 01:03:53,893
Speaker 24: But it's that's it's a work in progress and also

1325
01:03:54,093 --> 01:03:57,333
Speaker 24: the sound part of it. It's not that it's more

1326
01:03:57,373 --> 01:04:00,333
Speaker 24: of a trial and error. It takes time. Hence the

1327
01:04:00,533 --> 01:04:06,013
Speaker 24: NMP we say that it's a trial and error it's

1328
01:04:06,093 --> 01:04:13,053
Speaker 24: it's it's partly implemented, and these things attuniation of sound

1329
01:04:13,093 --> 01:04:15,573
Speaker 24: and everything will take time. It's not going to happen overnight.

1330
01:04:16,173 --> 01:04:21,453
Speaker 24: And that's what I think the decision, I think that

1331
01:04:22,253 --> 01:04:22,853
Speaker 24: is gone wrong.

1332
01:04:23,213 --> 01:04:26,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, the the neighbors in question that are behind the

1333
01:04:26,653 --> 01:04:29,373
Speaker 3: vast majority, if not all, of these complaints in do

1334
01:04:29,453 --> 01:04:31,973
Speaker 3: you think they are being reasonable here and trying to

1335
01:04:32,013 --> 01:04:34,933
Speaker 3: solve this or do you suspect that the end game

1336
01:04:35,013 --> 01:04:38,253
Speaker 3: for them will be closing you down if snow butts

1337
01:04:38,333 --> 01:04:39,013
Speaker 3: that's what they want.

1338
01:04:40,013 --> 01:04:42,413
Speaker 24: No, No, I don't think they want us to be closed,

1339
01:04:42,493 --> 01:04:46,493
Speaker 24: to be honest, but we have been very hyper sensitive.

1340
01:04:46,693 --> 01:04:51,053
Speaker 24: That's I think the right word in their hearing and

1341
01:04:51,133 --> 01:04:53,853
Speaker 24: the hearing itself, they see that they don't want us

1342
01:04:53,893 --> 01:04:57,493
Speaker 24: to be closed down, so I won't be talking anything else.

1343
01:04:58,293 --> 01:05:02,053
Speaker 24: All they want is us to, you know, do what

1344
01:05:02,293 --> 01:05:04,613
Speaker 24: we are supposed to do, and we are doing what

1345
01:05:04,773 --> 01:05:06,213
Speaker 24: we are supposed to do. So I don't know what

1346
01:05:06,373 --> 01:05:11,613
Speaker 24: went wrong there, but the committee, the d l A,

1347
01:05:12,333 --> 01:05:15,693
Speaker 24: we have. What I think is that noise given a

1348
01:05:15,853 --> 01:05:24,893
Speaker 24: very the very advanced part of being of alcohol, I

1349
01:05:24,973 --> 01:05:27,373
Speaker 24: think they are trying to still.

1350
01:05:28,733 --> 01:05:29,093
Speaker 12: Make some.

1351
01:05:31,493 --> 01:05:35,013
Speaker 24: Some ruling around it. And we are just happened to

1352
01:05:35,053 --> 01:05:38,933
Speaker 24: be one of the scapegoats or I don't know right now.

1353
01:05:39,053 --> 01:05:42,333
Speaker 2: Now, if you're pail Files, what options do you do

1354
01:05:42,413 --> 01:05:45,933
Speaker 2: you have for the business. Would you consider moving changing

1355
01:05:45,973 --> 01:05:48,133
Speaker 2: your format or would you would you have to have

1356
01:05:48,253 --> 01:05:49,853
Speaker 2: to shut down if their peel files.

1357
01:05:51,293 --> 01:05:54,973
Speaker 24: I mean, see the business. We have been here five

1358
01:05:55,053 --> 01:05:59,733
Speaker 24: years now and COVID. We just opened just before COVID.

1359
01:05:59,853 --> 01:06:03,053
Speaker 24: Then there was aftermath of COVID. A couple of years

1360
01:06:03,093 --> 01:06:06,333
Speaker 24: were good, and then the restation came in and it's

1361
01:06:06,413 --> 01:06:09,493
Speaker 24: it's it's just hard and hard, and I'm getting tired

1362
01:06:09,573 --> 01:06:14,133
Speaker 24: of this whole thing, and then comes this the alcohol

1363
01:06:14,213 --> 01:06:19,973
Speaker 24: licenses and everything. But the business has survived so far

1364
01:06:20,093 --> 01:06:23,653
Speaker 24: and we are trying to survive and hopefully if the

1365
01:06:23,733 --> 01:06:29,093
Speaker 24: appeal appeal should go our way, and if not, then

1366
01:06:29,173 --> 01:06:32,893
Speaker 24: I can't see anything, to be honest, I mean, we

1367
01:06:32,973 --> 01:06:35,813
Speaker 24: can just hang our boots to be and I.

1368
01:06:35,893 --> 01:06:37,773
Speaker 2: Think that would be from what I'm reading from a

1369
01:06:37,853 --> 01:06:39,653
Speaker 2: bunch of takes that are coming through as you talk,

1370
01:06:39,773 --> 01:06:43,013
Speaker 2: I think that would be a real loss for for

1371
01:06:43,253 --> 01:06:45,173
Speaker 2: for the community in the area. I mean, it's it's

1372
01:06:45,213 --> 01:06:48,053
Speaker 2: also a community hub, isn't it. There's there's a bunch

1373
01:06:48,053 --> 01:06:49,653
Speaker 2: of other stuff that you do in there. There aren't

1374
01:06:49,733 --> 01:06:53,293
Speaker 2: just bands and and you know entertainment.

1375
01:06:54,653 --> 01:06:55,293
Speaker 19: I mean we are.

1376
01:06:55,213 --> 01:07:01,773
Speaker 24: Closely working with the Fundopora College who have their school

1377
01:07:02,453 --> 01:07:05,213
Speaker 24: things happening. There are so many other things that we

1378
01:07:05,293 --> 01:07:08,293
Speaker 24: do with the community. I mean there's a line down

1379
01:07:08,533 --> 01:07:12,013
Speaker 24: in there so that it's I mean we all of

1380
01:07:12,053 --> 01:07:15,933
Speaker 24: ourselves ourselves social house. And that's if you see a

1381
01:07:16,053 --> 01:07:20,453
Speaker 24: remodel from the d one was is actually that your

1382
01:07:20,533 --> 01:07:23,933
Speaker 24: house is our house. So that has been a tagline.

1383
01:07:24,293 --> 01:07:28,053
Speaker 24: So the community loves us. Everybody loves us and in

1384
01:07:28,213 --> 01:07:33,133
Speaker 24: fact we are trying our best that our objectives would

1385
01:07:33,173 --> 01:07:33,813
Speaker 24: love us as well.

1386
01:07:35,573 --> 01:07:37,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Zen, all the very best to you for

1387
01:07:38,093 --> 01:07:41,053
Speaker 3: the appeal and hope that goes well. You clearly do

1388
01:07:41,253 --> 01:07:44,853
Speaker 3: have community support there, so all the very best and

1389
01:07:44,853 --> 01:07:46,333
Speaker 3: hopefully you don't have to close down yet.

1390
01:07:46,373 --> 01:07:48,253
Speaker 2: Listen to us, we're in our sevenies. This place is great.

1391
01:07:48,293 --> 01:07:50,573
Speaker 2: We've only been there about five or six times, but

1392
01:07:50,693 --> 01:07:54,173
Speaker 2: greatly you not extremely loud as the first time we're

1393
01:07:54,333 --> 01:07:56,413
Speaker 2: there a couple of years ago. The entertainment is great

1394
01:07:56,493 --> 01:07:58,453
Speaker 2: and usually people there are more of the mature side

1395
01:07:58,493 --> 01:08:01,933
Speaker 2: fortiesn't up. It's a very well run, well behaved place.

1396
01:08:02,333 --> 01:08:05,213
Speaker 2: Lots of great people there, ask Susan Paul. I've seen

1397
01:08:05,253 --> 01:08:08,173
Speaker 2: her there a few times. A great way to go

1398
01:08:08,453 --> 01:08:10,053
Speaker 2: out without having to go into the city.

1399
01:08:10,333 --> 01:08:12,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, you go nice, love it. Oh eight hundred eighty

1400
01:08:12,933 --> 01:08:15,053
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. You've heard the

1401
01:08:15,133 --> 01:08:16,893
Speaker 3: owner's point of view. But what do you say if

1402
01:08:16,893 --> 01:08:19,692
Speaker 3: you live in the area. We've got one line free,

1403
01:08:19,813 --> 01:08:22,053
Speaker 3: so you'd better get in quick. Oh eight hundred and

1404
01:08:22,053 --> 01:08:24,293
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is

1405
01:08:24,412 --> 01:08:25,013
Speaker 3: nineteen to three.

1406
01:08:25,053 --> 01:08:27,732
Speaker 2: Hey, Matt and Tyler saw the Hoodoo gurus at that bar,

1407
01:08:28,053 --> 01:08:31,772
Speaker 2: full house rocking out fantastic save the place.

1408
01:08:32,013 --> 01:08:33,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would have been a great night.

1409
01:08:33,893 --> 01:08:38,253
Speaker 2: What's the hoodur? Big song? What's My? What's My? What's my?

1410
01:08:38,492 --> 01:08:38,692
Speaker 5: Sing?

1411
01:08:39,213 --> 01:08:39,812
Speaker 3: Great song?

1412
01:08:40,933 --> 01:08:44,372
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on.

1413
01:08:44,652 --> 01:08:47,612
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news talk.

1414
01:08:47,692 --> 01:08:50,412
Speaker 3: Sa'd be sixteen to three. We've been talking about the

1415
01:08:50,492 --> 01:08:53,213
Speaker 3: Pidoa Brewing Company. It is losing it's right to sell

1416
01:08:53,213 --> 01:08:56,612
Speaker 3: alcohol after a big battle over noise complaints from neighbors.

1417
01:08:56,692 --> 01:08:57,852
Speaker 3: So much support for the bum.

1418
01:08:58,013 --> 01:09:00,053
Speaker 2: Good luck to this great guy. He was WITHNT me.

1419
01:09:00,133 --> 01:09:00,333
Speaker 14: Great.

1420
01:09:00,532 --> 01:09:02,812
Speaker 2: It was a great, great, great chat. And you could

1421
01:09:02,812 --> 01:09:04,692
Speaker 2: tell talking to him that he's put a lot of

1422
01:09:04,732 --> 01:09:06,892
Speaker 2: effort into it and he cares. But it's just gutting

1423
01:09:06,973 --> 01:09:09,692
Speaker 2: when you hear him saying how he's worn down from it.

1424
01:09:10,013 --> 01:09:12,173
Speaker 2: You know, COVID took so much away from us, the

1425
01:09:12,652 --> 01:09:15,093
Speaker 2: COVID and the COVID response and start a bar just

1426
01:09:15,133 --> 01:09:18,052
Speaker 2: before that, you battle through it. Then you're finally getting

1427
01:09:18,093 --> 01:09:21,612
Speaker 2: things up and going, and then these what I would

1428
01:09:21,652 --> 01:09:26,972
Speaker 2: describe as unnecessary forces, you know, ramp up to try

1429
01:09:27,053 --> 01:09:30,293
Speaker 2: and stop you. Says good luck to this great guy,

1430
01:09:30,853 --> 01:09:32,412
Speaker 2: says they sticks. So do we just all want to

1431
01:09:32,492 --> 01:09:35,093
Speaker 2: sit at home and order online and work from home

1432
01:09:35,173 --> 01:09:39,052
Speaker 2: and have no social connection? I mean, that's the crux

1433
01:09:39,133 --> 01:09:42,853
Speaker 2: of this matter. And how much of a minor sacrifice

1434
01:09:42,893 --> 01:09:45,173
Speaker 2: are you willing to take for the community for a

1435
01:09:45,213 --> 01:09:47,772
Speaker 2: bit of noise so there can be a bar where

1436
01:09:47,772 --> 01:09:49,412
Speaker 2: people listen to music and people have a fun and

1437
01:09:49,532 --> 01:09:53,892
Speaker 2: get together. Tol most reasonable minded Kiwis would enjoy hearing

1438
01:09:54,013 --> 01:09:56,492
Speaker 2: music and seeing people enjoying life, particularly these days. The

1439
01:09:56,572 --> 01:09:58,812
Speaker 2: problem nowadays is that the very few who love to

1440
01:09:58,853 --> 01:10:02,372
Speaker 2: complain are getting heard too easily by counsels who now

1441
01:10:02,492 --> 01:10:06,333
Speaker 2: love to act heavy. New Zealand is now being run

1442
01:10:06,812 --> 01:10:13,052
Speaker 2: by minorities. Phil said that read the Highbiscus Coast bar issue.

1443
01:10:13,133 --> 01:10:16,812
Speaker 2: I live close, no problem, and according to this text

1444
01:10:16,853 --> 01:10:19,052
Speaker 2: that I know the complainant and he has caused issues

1445
01:10:19,093 --> 01:10:21,732
Speaker 2: with other neighbors and is a very unhappy man. This

1446
01:10:21,933 --> 01:10:24,812
Speaker 2: is an unfair thing that is happening. Lovely bar and

1447
01:10:24,933 --> 01:10:26,972
Speaker 2: the only one I would go to on the coast

1448
01:10:27,372 --> 01:10:30,012
Speaker 2: would be a huge loss to the community.

1449
01:10:30,213 --> 01:10:33,812
Speaker 3: Keep those texts coming in, but nicely, said David, you

1450
01:10:33,973 --> 01:10:36,173
Speaker 3: may disagree with some of the support though.

1451
01:10:37,772 --> 01:10:38,133
Speaker 5: Good ah.

1452
01:10:38,213 --> 01:10:43,333
Speaker 21: Yeah, we've been there a number of years. We were

1453
01:10:43,333 --> 01:10:46,372
Speaker 21: there before the brewery opened, and when I heard it

1454
01:10:46,492 --> 01:10:48,532
Speaker 21: was going to open, I thought, this is great craft

1455
01:10:48,612 --> 01:10:52,452
Speaker 21: bear yep, sounds amazing so and it has been. I've

1456
01:10:52,492 --> 01:10:55,052
Speaker 21: been over there a number times. But to be honest

1457
01:10:55,133 --> 01:10:58,013
Speaker 21: with you, the music is pretty loud. You've got to

1458
01:10:58,372 --> 01:11:00,253
Speaker 21: be able to lip read if you want to communicate

1459
01:11:00,333 --> 01:11:05,612
Speaker 21: with anyone. And yeah, I think he could do a

1460
01:11:05,692 --> 01:11:07,572
Speaker 21: couple of things that would change it so that he

1461
01:11:07,652 --> 01:11:10,532
Speaker 21: could stay there. One of them is the is the

1462
01:11:11,053 --> 01:11:14,893
Speaker 21: sound system he's got has got a humongous bass and

1463
01:11:14,973 --> 01:11:19,012
Speaker 21: it's the d Dolf that gets you. The music's fine,

1464
01:11:19,853 --> 01:11:22,572
Speaker 21: but that bass are you're.

1465
01:11:22,452 --> 01:11:24,053
Speaker 2: Saying that you're saying so when you're in the bar,

1466
01:11:24,173 --> 01:11:26,052
Speaker 2: you can't hear people, So you're talking about the noise

1467
01:11:26,133 --> 01:11:28,293
Speaker 2: in the bar or the noise outside when.

1468
01:11:28,133 --> 01:11:29,812
Speaker 21: You're in the When you're in the bar, you got

1469
01:11:29,853 --> 01:11:30,612
Speaker 21: a liperate people.

1470
01:11:32,612 --> 01:11:34,772
Speaker 2: That standard if you're going to a venue to see

1471
01:11:34,772 --> 01:11:35,892
Speaker 2: a band or.

1472
01:11:36,213 --> 01:11:39,732
Speaker 21: These days, sure, but as a neighbor when I go

1473
01:11:39,853 --> 01:11:41,892
Speaker 21: to bed, I've got to put up with that duff

1474
01:11:41,893 --> 01:11:44,372
Speaker 21: stiff diff and it does keep me away. But I

1475
01:11:44,452 --> 01:11:46,253
Speaker 21: haven't complained because I like the venue.

1476
01:11:46,452 --> 01:11:48,892
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, how far away from it are you, David?

1477
01:11:51,692 --> 01:11:53,293
Speaker 24: Across the road right?

1478
01:11:57,133 --> 01:11:58,133
Speaker 21: More like one hundred meters?

1479
01:11:58,253 --> 01:12:00,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah. And so Zena is saying that he's

1480
01:12:00,452 --> 01:12:02,692
Speaker 2: putting you know, he's in the process, but you know

1481
01:12:02,772 --> 01:12:04,253
Speaker 2: he's got to get the money together and he's spending

1482
01:12:04,293 --> 01:12:06,693
Speaker 2: a lot, and he's in the process of doing some soundproofing.

1483
01:12:07,412 --> 01:12:10,692
Speaker 2: So do you think that as he puts the things.

1484
01:12:11,812 --> 01:12:14,012
Speaker 21: But if he tweaked his bass it would change everything.

1485
01:12:14,412 --> 01:12:16,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the best that's why.

1486
01:12:16,293 --> 01:12:19,492
Speaker 3: But people people love base what it's all about.

1487
01:12:19,612 --> 01:12:24,173
Speaker 2: You need it for the drop, David. But it is

1488
01:12:24,213 --> 01:12:27,253
Speaker 2: funny because the base travels so much. Base travels a

1489
01:12:27,293 --> 01:12:28,013
Speaker 2: long way, doesn't it.

1490
01:12:28,612 --> 01:12:29,933
Speaker 21: I know it will shake you.

1491
01:12:31,492 --> 01:12:33,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but it is interesting. I mean you're right

1492
01:12:33,812 --> 01:12:35,692
Speaker 3: in the middle of this, David, that you can see

1493
01:12:35,732 --> 01:12:37,812
Speaker 3: that the base, you know, causes some issues for you

1494
01:12:37,853 --> 01:12:39,732
Speaker 3: if you're trying to sleep, but you haven't complained, and

1495
01:12:39,812 --> 01:12:43,213
Speaker 3: you love the pub as well, so you know clearly

1496
01:12:43,293 --> 01:12:46,812
Speaker 3: you you're a you're a pretty reasonable sounding guy. I mean,

1497
01:12:47,053 --> 01:12:49,812
Speaker 3: is the community support that can help Zen find that

1498
01:12:49,973 --> 01:12:51,772
Speaker 3: money to make some changes. I mean, whether it is

1499
01:12:51,893 --> 01:12:54,173
Speaker 3: he turns down the base that might alleviate things, but

1500
01:12:54,452 --> 01:12:56,852
Speaker 3: the community can can dig in and help this guy

1501
01:12:57,133 --> 01:12:58,612
Speaker 3: so he doesn't have to hang up his boots as

1502
01:12:58,652 --> 01:12:58,932
Speaker 3: he said.

1503
01:13:00,652 --> 01:13:04,973
Speaker 21: Yeah, I don't know, good thought, but I don't know

1504
01:13:05,093 --> 01:13:06,412
Speaker 21: whether that's a possibility.

1505
01:13:06,452 --> 01:13:06,852
Speaker 24: You'd have to.

1506
01:13:08,492 --> 01:13:11,532
Speaker 21: You know, I'm online following and chase it along though.

1507
01:13:11,612 --> 01:13:11,812
Speaker 18: Yess.

1508
01:13:12,412 --> 01:13:15,452
Speaker 2: Maybe we can get your house put on some rubber stoppers.

1509
01:13:15,732 --> 01:13:18,572
Speaker 3: So the base just now you're thinking, now you're thinking,

1510
01:13:18,652 --> 01:13:19,892
Speaker 3: give you a right with that navy book.

1511
01:13:21,013 --> 01:13:22,652
Speaker 2: We'll come up with a solution. David, Thank you so

1512
01:13:22,772 --> 01:13:24,892
Speaker 2: much for your call. This bar will go the same

1513
01:13:24,973 --> 01:13:27,532
Speaker 2: way as the King's arms and Gray lind says this text.

1514
01:13:27,572 --> 01:13:30,012
Speaker 2: So this was a disaster. The King's Arms on Front

1515
01:13:30,053 --> 01:13:33,692
Speaker 2: Street was just such a fantastic venue and so important

1516
01:13:33,812 --> 01:13:36,652
Speaker 2: for Auckland, and then these apartments were built round it,

1517
01:13:37,293 --> 01:13:40,252
Speaker 2: and the people that moved into these apartments just complained

1518
01:13:40,333 --> 01:13:42,333
Speaker 2: and complained, and it got to the point whereout building

1519
01:13:42,372 --> 01:13:44,932
Speaker 2: these big walls. They had to build these giant walls

1520
01:13:44,973 --> 01:13:46,692
Speaker 2: and spend so much money and a lot and ban.

1521
01:13:46,973 --> 01:13:48,973
Speaker 2: Running bands in a bar doesn't make you a lot

1522
01:13:49,013 --> 01:13:50,972
Speaker 2: of money. It's not going to make you rich, right, Yeah,

1523
01:13:51,772 --> 01:13:54,812
Speaker 2: that's just not the way it works. And yeah, eventually

1524
01:13:54,973 --> 01:13:57,652
Speaker 2: just got so hard for the King's Arms to continue

1525
01:13:58,093 --> 01:14:00,812
Speaker 2: and I had to close up to parcific issues. And

1526
01:14:00,853 --> 01:14:03,333
Speaker 2: now it's a huge but very beautiful apartment building. To

1527
01:14:03,372 --> 01:14:04,732
Speaker 2: be fair, I've got some friends that live in there.

1528
01:14:05,133 --> 01:14:06,973
Speaker 2: It is fantastic. I've actually looked at a place in there.

1529
01:14:07,013 --> 01:14:08,772
Speaker 2: But the bar has gone.

1530
01:14:08,853 --> 01:14:11,812
Speaker 3: Now, yeah that's no longer running because we always complaints.

1531
01:14:11,812 --> 01:14:13,452
Speaker 2: Well, the bar has got leveled in the huge apartment

1532
01:14:13,452 --> 01:14:15,532
Speaker 2: building the fort on top of it on France Street.

1533
01:14:15,532 --> 01:14:17,293
Speaker 2: But I've got so many great memories about the King's

1534
01:14:17,372 --> 01:14:18,852
Speaker 2: Arms and when those things go, they just go and

1535
01:14:18,893 --> 01:14:21,652
Speaker 2: they don't come back because it's sort of lightning has

1536
01:14:21,732 --> 01:14:25,052
Speaker 2: to strike for the right situations and the right people

1537
01:14:25,213 --> 01:14:27,253
Speaker 2: be in the right place that want to do these

1538
01:14:27,372 --> 01:14:30,772
Speaker 2: things that that that have great things like band scenes

1539
01:14:30,893 --> 01:14:32,972
Speaker 2: and and so it's a tragedy when they.

1540
01:14:32,973 --> 01:14:35,572
Speaker 3: Go yep, oh eight hundred eighty, ten eighty is the number,

1541
01:14:35,732 --> 01:14:38,492
Speaker 3: Call ten two three back very shortly.

1542
01:14:38,772 --> 01:14:40,973
Speaker 2: Tony says, just turned down the bass problem solved, but

1543
01:14:41,412 --> 01:14:42,293
Speaker 2: turn down the base.

1544
01:14:42,812 --> 01:14:45,372
Speaker 3: That's what you're there for. That is that is a

1545
01:14:45,412 --> 01:14:46,133
Speaker 3: beautiful part of it.

1546
01:14:46,333 --> 01:14:51,933
Speaker 1: The base, the base, the issues that affect you and

1547
01:14:52,093 --> 01:14:54,213
Speaker 1: a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath and

1548
01:14:54,293 --> 01:14:57,572
Speaker 1: Tyler Adams Afternoons News talksb.

1549
01:14:58,412 --> 01:15:00,372
Speaker 3: News Talks, there be Paul, get out of you. You're

1550
01:15:00,372 --> 01:15:00,772
Speaker 3: a promoter.

1551
01:15:01,853 --> 01:15:02,692
Speaker 25: Hello, how's it going?

1552
01:15:03,053 --> 01:15:04,253
Speaker 3: Very good? And what's your thoughts?

1553
01:15:05,612 --> 01:15:06,652
Speaker 15: Well, actually I.

1554
01:15:06,812 --> 01:15:08,852
Speaker 25: Moved to the coast there a couple years ago and

1555
01:15:08,933 --> 01:15:11,333
Speaker 25: was Zen's neighbor, so I was the person that actually

1556
01:15:11,372 --> 01:15:13,892
Speaker 25: helped him get his bar upper running and we brought

1557
01:15:13,893 --> 01:15:15,932
Speaker 25: a couple of international bands in there. So like last year,

1558
01:15:15,933 --> 01:15:18,932
Speaker 25: I bought Skin Dread from the UK and also British Lion,

1559
01:15:18,973 --> 01:15:20,973
Speaker 25: which was Steve Harris's band of Iron Maid, and so

1560
01:15:21,093 --> 01:15:21,772
Speaker 25: Steve Harris and.

1561
01:15:21,772 --> 01:15:23,173
Speaker 15: I stood right there.

1562
01:15:23,293 --> 01:15:25,213
Speaker 2: Wow, Holy mold.

1563
01:15:25,293 --> 01:15:28,692
Speaker 25: The thing is, yes, there's a few issues around here.

1564
01:15:28,732 --> 01:15:31,412
Speaker 25: So first of all, it's a fantastic venue and it's

1565
01:15:31,532 --> 01:15:34,053
Speaker 25: great for local people to see international acts without them

1566
01:15:34,093 --> 01:15:36,612
Speaker 25: having to go all the way to the city. You know,

1567
01:15:36,692 --> 01:15:38,772
Speaker 25: there's seven hundred to one thousand people going into that

1568
01:15:38,933 --> 01:15:41,293
Speaker 25: venue each week for various reasons, you know, from eating

1569
01:15:41,372 --> 01:15:43,133
Speaker 25: mills to line dancing and whatever.

1570
01:15:43,572 --> 01:15:44,372
Speaker 15: So it's a real hub.

1571
01:15:44,452 --> 01:15:47,852
Speaker 25: And it's really come down to a single complaint and

1572
01:15:47,933 --> 01:15:50,253
Speaker 25: it's all around noise. And I have a bit of

1573
01:15:50,293 --> 01:15:52,372
Speaker 25: a gripe of the council because they've been using their

1574
01:15:52,452 --> 01:15:55,293
Speaker 25: phones to actually do the sound meter test, in which

1575
01:15:55,532 --> 01:15:59,213
Speaker 25: they're not professional. They're not accurate. Wow, then they need

1576
01:15:59,333 --> 01:16:03,213
Speaker 25: to calibrate their equipment properly and changing the local council laws.

1577
01:16:03,572 --> 01:16:05,772
Speaker 2: It's egregious if they're going in there and using their

1578
01:16:05,853 --> 01:16:08,092
Speaker 2: phones to get the sound readings and then making decisions

1579
01:16:08,093 --> 01:16:11,092
Speaker 2: that have seek people's businesses. There's there's negligent.

1580
01:16:11,572 --> 01:16:11,892
Speaker 10: There is.

1581
01:16:13,853 --> 01:16:16,133
Speaker 25: And I've been the unfortunately one of the nights that

1582
01:16:16,253 --> 01:16:18,612
Speaker 25: you have an international there, we did have a sound

1583
01:16:18,652 --> 01:16:22,372
Speaker 25: debatement and it was pretty loud, to be honest, and

1584
01:16:22,492 --> 01:16:25,293
Speaker 25: that's sometimes down to the international sound guy. You know,

1585
01:16:25,412 --> 01:16:27,972
Speaker 25: you want to sort of advise them to keep it down,

1586
01:16:28,053 --> 01:16:30,572
Speaker 25: but they get excited. And also they've been doing it

1587
01:16:30,652 --> 01:16:31,932
Speaker 25: for years to party death.

1588
01:16:35,293 --> 01:16:37,293
Speaker 24: You'd be honest, but yeah.

1589
01:16:37,173 --> 01:16:40,852
Speaker 25: I mean really the main thing here as well is

1590
01:16:41,013 --> 01:16:44,093
Speaker 25: I believe it's a commercially zoned business in the commercial zone,

1591
01:16:44,173 --> 01:16:46,133
Speaker 25: but it's right next to residents. So there again, the

1592
01:16:46,213 --> 01:16:49,492
Speaker 25: council need to look at this matter individually and not

1593
01:16:49,612 --> 01:16:51,572
Speaker 25: go to their rule book and sort of you know,

1594
01:16:51,692 --> 01:16:54,372
Speaker 25: do their usual rules. Basically, someone needs to look at

1595
01:16:54,412 --> 01:16:56,692
Speaker 25: it and actually have a good think about it and

1596
01:16:56,933 --> 01:16:58,012
Speaker 25: look at zeen situation.

1597
01:16:58,133 --> 01:17:01,972
Speaker 2: And yeah, thank you Paula. Hopefully they do leanne just quickly.

1598
01:17:01,973 --> 01:17:03,412
Speaker 2: We're running out of time, but would love to hear

1599
01:17:03,452 --> 01:17:03,932
Speaker 2: your thoughts.

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01:17:04,893 --> 01:17:07,772
Speaker 16: Ah Hi, guys, look, it will be a huge loss

1601
01:17:07,893 --> 01:17:11,053
Speaker 16: to the ere we effect does close down. We've had

1602
01:17:11,093 --> 01:17:15,293
Speaker 16: lots of gigs there and that really well run. It's professionals.

1603
01:17:15,532 --> 01:17:18,572
Speaker 16: There's never any crap going on or fights, and they

1604
01:17:18,692 --> 01:17:21,652
Speaker 16: do finish early. It's not like they're going past midnight.

1605
01:17:21,652 --> 01:17:24,012
Speaker 16: It's a normal always around that you live in Mark

1606
01:17:24,572 --> 01:17:26,333
Speaker 16: and I mean, how many venues can you tip go

1607
01:17:26,412 --> 01:17:28,732
Speaker 16: along with your adult codes and have a good dance

1608
01:17:28,812 --> 01:17:31,053
Speaker 16: of them and listen to some good music and just

1609
01:17:31,893 --> 01:17:35,412
Speaker 16: enjoy life. Everything's got so serious and mundane.

1610
01:17:37,093 --> 01:17:39,652
Speaker 3: You're making me well up. Yeah, I love that attitude.

1611
01:17:40,013 --> 01:17:40,933
Speaker 2: That's brilliant, you know.

1612
01:17:41,612 --> 01:17:44,732
Speaker 26: Yeah, this and one gig, I will organize a bus

1613
01:17:44,772 --> 01:17:46,133
Speaker 26: because we live an no room. We go out to

1614
01:17:46,173 --> 01:17:48,213
Speaker 26: Stadle Bay to go there because they had so many

1615
01:17:48,333 --> 01:17:51,372
Speaker 26: great gigs on and we had about twenty two on

1616
01:17:51,452 --> 01:17:53,452
Speaker 26: the bus and we picked up different friends and they're

1617
01:17:53,452 --> 01:17:56,333
Speaker 26: on the way. You know, you'd be responsible with your driving.

1618
01:17:56,372 --> 01:17:58,053
Speaker 26: You do all the right things, and then you've got

1619
01:17:58,213 --> 01:18:01,293
Speaker 26: one complaint that's going to just ruin everything.

1620
01:18:01,772 --> 01:18:03,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's terrible, isn't it?

1621
01:18:03,293 --> 01:18:05,852
Speaker 3: Nicely sadly and what a great New Zealander you are.

1622
01:18:06,013 --> 01:18:06,213
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1623
01:18:06,372 --> 01:18:08,253
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think the sounds of other keys and

1624
01:18:08,412 --> 01:18:11,972
Speaker 2: joying music, dancing and spending time together are joyous sounds.

1625
01:18:12,013 --> 01:18:13,933
Speaker 2: And it's hard to make a venue work, but they

1626
01:18:13,973 --> 01:18:17,692
Speaker 2: are so important for us in these times of doom, doom,

1627
01:18:17,933 --> 01:18:21,572
Speaker 2: scrolling and social isolation. So I think we should tread

1628
01:18:21,812 --> 01:18:25,612
Speaker 2: very carefully when we hassle these places. They should be

1629
01:18:25,652 --> 01:18:28,212
Speaker 2: celebrating the people that open these businesses, should be celebrated

1630
01:18:28,253 --> 01:18:30,692
Speaker 2: because when they go, they don't come back, and our

1631
01:18:30,772 --> 01:18:34,933
Speaker 2: lives get much duller for it. So don't always have

1632
01:18:35,053 --> 01:18:36,293
Speaker 2: to listen to the winges.

1633
01:18:36,572 --> 01:18:39,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, nicely said right. Coming up after three, let's have

1634
01:18:39,973 --> 01:18:43,213
Speaker 3: a chat about rats. Do we need to befriend the rats?

1635
01:18:43,293 --> 01:18:45,253
Speaker 3: That's what they're trying to do in Paris. Anyway, this

1636
01:18:45,372 --> 01:18:46,372
Speaker 3: is going to be a great chat.

1637
01:18:46,732 --> 01:18:47,492
Speaker 2: Looking forward to this.

1638
01:18:51,853 --> 01:18:56,132
Speaker 1: Your new homes are insateful and entertaining. Talk It's Matty

1639
01:18:56,412 --> 01:18:59,092
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons.

1640
01:18:58,692 --> 01:19:02,532
Speaker 3: On News Talk sebby very good afternoons. You welcome back

1641
01:19:02,612 --> 01:19:04,973
Speaker 3: into the program sex past three. Really good to have

1642
01:19:05,013 --> 01:19:06,973
Speaker 3: your company as always, and.

1643
01:19:07,053 --> 01:19:11,213
Speaker 2: We move on to an issue that could not be

1644
01:19:11,973 --> 01:19:12,692
Speaker 2: more important.

1645
01:19:12,853 --> 01:19:13,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a biggie.

1646
01:19:13,933 --> 01:19:15,692
Speaker 2: It is a human wide issue.

1647
01:19:15,933 --> 01:19:16,972
Speaker 3: It is a massive issue.

1648
01:19:17,213 --> 01:19:17,892
Speaker 12: This is huge.

1649
01:19:18,213 --> 01:19:21,772
Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty ten eighty Yeah, rats, rats, let's

1650
01:19:21,812 --> 01:19:22,492
Speaker 2: talk about rats.

1651
01:19:22,532 --> 01:19:25,052
Speaker 3: So Paris a lot to love about Paris, good food,

1652
01:19:25,213 --> 01:19:28,692
Speaker 3: grete wine, the Eiffel Tower, the city I love. But

1653
01:19:28,853 --> 01:19:32,053
Speaker 3: also it's got a massive rat population. Everybody knows that.

1654
01:19:32,133 --> 01:19:35,372
Speaker 3: When you think about Paris, clearly they outnumber the human

1655
01:19:35,412 --> 01:19:37,732
Speaker 3: residence by a long shot. But now the city's deputy

1656
01:19:37,812 --> 01:19:41,133
Speaker 3: mirror emir. His name is Gregory Morow. He's stirring the

1657
01:19:41,173 --> 01:19:44,213
Speaker 3: pot by calling for coexistence with rats.

1658
01:19:44,732 --> 01:19:47,213
Speaker 2: It's a crazy it's a crazy thing he's doing.

1659
01:19:47,492 --> 01:19:47,532
Speaker 21: So.

1660
01:19:49,973 --> 01:19:53,652
Speaker 2: He claims that rats eat one hundred tons of Paris

1661
01:19:53,772 --> 01:19:59,213
Speaker 2: waste daily, aiding sewers and cleanliness such. You know, that's

1662
01:19:59,253 --> 01:19:59,973
Speaker 2: a fair point to that.

1663
01:20:00,452 --> 01:20:02,052
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do love eating waste.

1664
01:20:02,372 --> 01:20:02,572
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1665
01:20:03,053 --> 01:20:05,133
Speaker 2: So, and he says that the only reason why we

1666
01:20:05,253 --> 01:20:07,852
Speaker 2: hate them is historical anger about the bubonic play.

1667
01:20:08,572 --> 01:20:12,253
Speaker 3: And he's living up to the stance. He's got a

1668
01:20:12,293 --> 01:20:15,013
Speaker 3: pet rat that he's called Plume. So he carried his

1669
01:20:15,133 --> 01:20:19,452
Speaker 3: plume with them around the city to challenge niggative stereotypes

1670
01:20:19,492 --> 01:20:21,812
Speaker 3: and push for more humane, eco friendly best control.

1671
01:20:22,013 --> 01:20:22,213
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1672
01:20:22,213 --> 01:20:24,053
Speaker 2: Well, whatever's going on right now and the amount of

1673
01:20:24,333 --> 01:20:27,213
Speaker 2: rat control they've got in Paris, it's not working because

1674
01:20:27,333 --> 01:20:33,333
Speaker 2: rats currently outnumber Parisians, which is a terrifying thought if

1675
01:20:33,572 --> 01:20:41,093
Speaker 2: you're in my opinion. So, I've killed many rats in

1676
01:20:41,213 --> 01:20:43,293
Speaker 2: my life. I've killed a lot of rats in my life.

1677
01:20:44,372 --> 01:20:48,293
Speaker 2: But is it time for a truce between humans and rodents?

1678
01:20:49,013 --> 01:20:51,812
Speaker 2: You are you open? Wait one hundred and eighty ten

1679
01:20:52,133 --> 01:20:55,213
Speaker 2: eighty for a truce to let them run free? Rats,

1680
01:20:55,812 --> 01:20:58,492
Speaker 2: or have you been wronged like I've been wronged and

1681
01:20:58,612 --> 01:21:00,732
Speaker 2: you're still out for revenge because I think a lot

1682
01:21:00,812 --> 01:21:04,333
Speaker 2: of us in New Zealand have had terrible experiences with rats.

1683
01:21:04,652 --> 01:21:06,492
Speaker 2: When I was living in London, I got chased down

1684
01:21:07,053 --> 01:21:10,333
Speaker 2: for Fulham High Street by by a massive rat. Because

1685
01:21:10,372 --> 01:21:12,652
Speaker 2: some of the rats in London, European rats are huge.

1686
01:21:12,732 --> 01:21:14,933
Speaker 2: They live in the sewers and they come out and

1687
01:21:15,173 --> 01:21:16,532
Speaker 2: they are terrifying.

1688
01:21:16,612 --> 01:21:19,173
Speaker 3: How big are we talking like cat size?

1689
01:21:19,893 --> 01:21:22,933
Speaker 2: I think it was cat size. So it started following me.

1690
01:21:23,053 --> 01:21:24,532
Speaker 2: It was late at night, it started following me. I

1691
01:21:24,572 --> 01:21:26,612
Speaker 2: had a big night out and this rat started following

1692
01:21:26,612 --> 01:21:31,412
Speaker 2: me down Fulham High Street and back to my flat

1693
01:21:31,933 --> 01:21:36,133
Speaker 2: and I say, is this rat following me? First? And

1694
01:21:36,213 --> 01:21:37,732
Speaker 2: then I looked back and it was still following me.

1695
01:21:38,133 --> 01:21:40,532
Speaker 2: And then finally I started. I started walking faster, and

1696
01:21:40,572 --> 01:21:44,052
Speaker 2: the rats started walking faster after me, scurling along this terrriful,

1697
01:21:44,213 --> 01:21:46,972
Speaker 2: terrifying rat. And then I went down the stairs because

1698
01:21:47,013 --> 01:21:49,732
Speaker 2: it was a basement flat, and then the rat followed

1699
01:21:49,772 --> 01:21:51,492
Speaker 2: me down the stairs and then I ran in the

1700
01:21:51,532 --> 01:21:53,133
Speaker 2: door and slammed the door, and then the rat was

1701
01:21:53,133 --> 01:21:53,972
Speaker 2: scratching on the door.

1702
01:21:54,133 --> 01:21:55,772
Speaker 3: You were lucky it almost hit you.

1703
01:21:56,253 --> 01:21:57,933
Speaker 5: So what are we.

1704
01:21:57,933 --> 01:22:02,293
Speaker 2: Supposed to live in harmony with beasts that behave like that?

1705
01:22:02,492 --> 01:22:04,173
Speaker 3: It's a lot of trauma for you, mate. Yeah, when

1706
01:22:04,213 --> 01:22:06,133
Speaker 3: you said you got chased by I thought you meant

1707
01:22:06,253 --> 01:22:08,213
Speaker 3: rats like plural, Like there was you know, almost like

1708
01:22:08,213 --> 01:22:10,133
Speaker 3: a plague of rats coming from you. Not just one

1709
01:22:10,213 --> 01:22:12,372
Speaker 3: giant mutant rat. It's just one to bid you up.

1710
01:22:12,452 --> 01:22:13,572
Speaker 2: It was just one king rat.

1711
01:22:13,812 --> 01:22:15,253
Speaker 3: King rat wanted to take you out.

1712
01:22:15,372 --> 01:22:16,732
Speaker 2: And yes, I'd had a lot to drink.

1713
01:22:18,492 --> 01:22:20,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was asking question, but I think that was

1714
01:22:20,732 --> 01:22:21,333
Speaker 3: well implied.

1715
01:22:22,053 --> 01:22:26,173
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean everyone has a story in their

1716
01:22:26,253 --> 01:22:29,692
Speaker 2: life where we're a rat has wronged them, and so

1717
01:22:30,013 --> 01:22:32,173
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear those stories. One hundred and eighty

1718
01:22:32,173 --> 01:22:35,333
Speaker 2: ten eighty people growing up on farms. I remember one

1719
01:22:35,372 --> 01:22:37,133
Speaker 2: of my jobs in the morning on the farm was

1720
01:22:37,293 --> 01:22:39,452
Speaker 2: to feed the chickens, and I had to make the

1721
01:22:39,532 --> 01:22:41,812
Speaker 2: chicken mash, and the chicken mash sheard to go and

1722
01:22:41,853 --> 01:22:43,973
Speaker 2: feed all the chickens. That's a tough job. It is

1723
01:22:44,133 --> 01:22:48,452
Speaker 2: because the rats enjoyed. The rats loved the chicken mash. Shit.

1724
01:22:49,492 --> 01:22:51,372
Speaker 2: You'd have to go in and have to bang with

1725
01:22:51,532 --> 01:22:53,492
Speaker 2: the pot on the door to scare the rats before

1726
01:22:53,532 --> 01:22:53,933
Speaker 2: I went in.

1727
01:22:54,492 --> 01:22:57,253
Speaker 3: Love that oh ee hundred eighty ten eighty love to

1728
01:22:57,333 --> 01:23:01,772
Speaker 3: hear your rat stories. And also, have we mistreated rats

1729
01:23:01,772 --> 01:23:03,452
Speaker 3: a little bit? Do we need to co exist a

1730
01:23:03,492 --> 01:23:05,012
Speaker 3: bit more? If you've got there's a lot of people

1731
01:23:05,053 --> 01:23:05,972
Speaker 3: with pet rats out there.

1732
01:23:06,213 --> 01:23:06,412
Speaker 15: Yeah.

1733
01:23:06,612 --> 01:23:09,133
Speaker 3: And I've got to say I've never I've had some

1734
01:23:09,253 --> 01:23:12,412
Speaker 3: stories with mice, rats and me. We get on all right.

1735
01:23:12,933 --> 01:23:15,213
Speaker 3: I leave rats alone and they leave me alone. But

1736
01:23:15,333 --> 01:23:17,733
Speaker 3: what do you say, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighties.

1737
01:23:18,412 --> 01:23:25,172
Speaker 2: Time to forgive them for the events of the sixth

1738
01:23:25,333 --> 01:23:29,892
Speaker 2: century and the fourteenth century, the Black Death? Is it time?

1739
01:23:30,013 --> 01:23:32,213
Speaker 2: I mean the last time that actually, look, the last

1740
01:23:32,253 --> 01:23:35,372
Speaker 2: time there was the third I think, I think the

1741
01:23:35,452 --> 01:23:38,492
Speaker 2: last time we had any kind of bibonic pag that

1742
01:23:38,532 --> 01:23:42,012
Speaker 2: we could blame on the rats was about late eighteen nineties, right, Yeah,

1743
01:23:42,772 --> 01:23:44,732
Speaker 2: a couple of hundred year yeah, but most most of

1744
01:23:44,772 --> 01:23:49,492
Speaker 2: the damage was done between about thirteen fifty and maybe

1745
01:23:49,572 --> 01:23:54,452
Speaker 2: maybe mid thirteen forties and thirteen fifty one, mid thirteen fifties. Yeah,

1746
01:23:54,492 --> 01:23:56,133
Speaker 2: So it was it time for us, time to let

1747
01:23:56,213 --> 01:23:56,333
Speaker 2: it go.

1748
01:23:56,412 --> 01:23:58,213
Speaker 3: It was a tough time, no doubt about it, you know,

1749
01:23:58,532 --> 01:24:01,093
Speaker 3: but fourteenth century rats had something to answer for then,

1750
01:24:01,213 --> 01:24:03,133
Speaker 3: but you know it was a couple of hundred years ago. Oh,

1751
01:24:03,173 --> 01:24:06,092
Speaker 3: one hundred eighty ten eighty. Keen on your rat stories.

1752
01:24:06,293 --> 01:24:08,133
Speaker 3: It is eleven past three.

1753
01:24:08,492 --> 01:24:11,933
Speaker 2: What kind of pipe were you hang on?

1754
01:24:12,253 --> 01:24:13,452
Speaker 3: I see where they're gone with that?

1755
01:24:13,732 --> 01:24:15,412
Speaker 2: Or what kind of pipe were you playing at two

1756
01:24:15,772 --> 01:24:18,133
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning. That's victim blaming. I wasn't running

1757
01:24:18,133 --> 01:24:22,133
Speaker 2: a pied piper situation on Fulham High Street. Sounded like

1758
01:24:22,213 --> 01:24:24,053
Speaker 2: I was being stalked by an aggressive rat.

1759
01:24:24,933 --> 01:24:28,892
Speaker 3: Stork said, be good afternoons. You we're talking about rats.

1760
01:24:29,772 --> 01:24:33,293
Speaker 3: The Deputy Mayor of Paris, Grigory Morow, he wants to

1761
01:24:33,452 --> 01:24:35,652
Speaker 3: call for a coexistence with the rodents. They've got a

1762
01:24:35,732 --> 01:24:38,013
Speaker 3: rat problem. But we're asking for your rat stories. I

1763
01:24:38,053 --> 01:24:39,173
Speaker 3: like one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1764
01:24:39,213 --> 01:24:40,293
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of people coming through on the

1765
01:24:40,293 --> 01:24:42,253
Speaker 2: text machine that have been hurt by rats in their

1766
01:24:42,293 --> 01:24:44,012
Speaker 2: time and are not ready for a truce.

1767
01:24:44,532 --> 01:24:44,972
Speaker 3: Traumatic.

1768
01:24:45,133 --> 01:24:50,053
Speaker 2: But Julie, you are a rat fan, you're a rat apologist.

1769
01:24:50,893 --> 01:24:51,093
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1770
01:24:52,372 --> 01:24:54,732
Speaker 27: A long time ago, I had a couple of pet rats.

1771
01:24:54,732 --> 01:24:57,213
Speaker 27: So we're black and white, and they were brothers, and

1772
01:24:57,333 --> 01:25:02,452
Speaker 27: I called them mocker and large nice and I just

1773
01:25:02,532 --> 01:25:04,973
Speaker 27: put them up and they've run up your arm and

1774
01:25:05,053 --> 01:25:07,173
Speaker 27: then in the back of your new tune it could

1775
01:25:07,213 --> 01:25:10,133
Speaker 27: just just gentually look cudable and thattortest thing. And they

1776
01:25:10,853 --> 01:25:14,732
Speaker 27: you know, people sort of think they're scary, but to

1777
01:25:14,812 --> 01:25:17,492
Speaker 27: some people I suppose are really it's Terry. I know

1778
01:25:17,652 --> 01:25:20,452
Speaker 27: at one time, there was many years ago that Terry

1779
01:25:20,452 --> 01:25:24,492
Speaker 27: Woodham was on the nighttime talk and this way this

1780
01:25:24,772 --> 01:25:28,692
Speaker 27: lady rang up and she had a rat, came up

1781
01:25:28,732 --> 01:25:32,812
Speaker 27: for a toilet when when when she looked at when

1782
01:25:32,933 --> 01:25:36,253
Speaker 27: she looked into the toilets, she saw those water rats

1783
01:25:36,253 --> 01:25:36,972
Speaker 27: swimming around.

1784
01:25:39,652 --> 01:25:40,213
Speaker 3: It's about far.

1785
01:25:41,213 --> 01:25:42,333
Speaker 7: Yeah, poor poor.

1786
01:25:42,293 --> 01:25:44,812
Speaker 27: Cary would have jusih are better having an attack of

1787
01:25:44,853 --> 01:25:45,372
Speaker 27: the vapors?

1788
01:25:47,013 --> 01:25:50,732
Speaker 2: And were you scared of rats at any point? Were

1789
01:25:50,772 --> 01:25:52,452
Speaker 2: you just always open to them before you had these

1790
01:25:52,492 --> 01:25:55,333
Speaker 2: pet rats? Did you do you go? You've always liked

1791
01:25:55,412 --> 01:25:56,213
Speaker 2: rats and I want to get.

1792
01:25:56,093 --> 01:25:58,372
Speaker 10: A couple yep, yeah, yep.

1793
01:25:58,492 --> 01:26:01,293
Speaker 27: No, there's definitely sweet little quitters.

1794
01:26:02,732 --> 01:26:05,732
Speaker 2: But but what about that? What about their horrible gnarly

1795
01:26:05,933 --> 01:26:09,812
Speaker 2: teeth and there and their horrible leathery Yeah, the.

1796
01:26:09,973 --> 01:26:12,612
Speaker 27: Tale I think Britons the thing that most because people

1797
01:26:12,692 --> 01:26:16,093
Speaker 27: think it's like a snake, But I mean for me,

1798
01:26:17,093 --> 01:26:20,333
Speaker 27: there were a lot worse two the good woman rats

1799
01:26:20,372 --> 01:26:22,372
Speaker 27: running around and there are four the good ones.

1800
01:26:22,692 --> 01:26:23,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, what did you feed them?

1801
01:26:23,933 --> 01:26:27,972
Speaker 27: July just brain mixed said, I got from the pitch shop,

1802
01:26:28,492 --> 01:26:30,893
Speaker 27: you know, like wegs and corner and stuff like that,

1803
01:26:31,173 --> 01:26:35,013
Speaker 27: and they eat bits potato and sort of stuff like that.

1804
01:26:35,173 --> 01:26:37,452
Speaker 27: And say, but I just loved them for bits.

1805
01:26:37,853 --> 01:26:39,893
Speaker 2: What about what about wild rats? Have you got a

1806
01:26:39,893 --> 01:26:42,372
Speaker 2: problem with wild rats? You you've got your friendly little

1807
01:26:42,492 --> 01:26:45,293
Speaker 2: mocker and arte, But what about just if a rat

1808
01:26:45,333 --> 01:26:47,093
Speaker 2: came running through your lounge and you didn't know it?

1809
01:26:48,093 --> 01:26:50,092
Speaker 8: Yeah, well I've.

1810
01:26:50,013 --> 01:26:52,053
Speaker 27: Got cats as well. So the rat came and the

1811
01:26:52,133 --> 01:26:57,293
Speaker 27: cats had habit, but I had a big one. It

1812
01:26:57,412 --> 01:27:00,253
Speaker 27: was just a medium sized ginger and like cat. And

1813
01:27:00,412 --> 01:27:03,972
Speaker 27: I called him Titch and he was a rat catcher

1814
01:27:04,213 --> 01:27:07,053
Speaker 27: and killer like you've even never seen the like wow.

1815
01:27:07,253 --> 01:27:09,492
Speaker 27: And he always used to sleeves of right where I

1816
01:27:09,572 --> 01:27:11,972
Speaker 27: was walking to my car, and I looked down about

1817
01:27:12,053 --> 01:27:15,692
Speaker 27: leaping the arm and swear and anyway, there was a

1818
01:27:15,772 --> 01:27:19,652
Speaker 27: guy walking past one day and I just sprat was out,

1819
01:27:19,732 --> 01:27:23,213
Speaker 27: soide did it? And I went and got a paper

1820
01:27:23,333 --> 01:27:26,093
Speaker 27: couple of paper towels and I picked the rat up

1821
01:27:26,253 --> 01:27:28,732
Speaker 27: and held it up to this guy who was driving home,

1822
01:27:29,372 --> 01:27:31,333
Speaker 27: and I think he probably need to go need to

1823
01:27:31,372 --> 01:27:33,253
Speaker 27: go home, and we should. I mean, he knew your

1824
01:27:33,293 --> 01:27:38,093
Speaker 27: home and change his pants. And I measured the rat

1825
01:27:38,732 --> 01:27:41,093
Speaker 27: and it was without a word of a lie. Get

1826
01:27:41,173 --> 01:27:45,012
Speaker 27: how much you know, from the end of its nose

1827
01:27:45,053 --> 01:27:46,852
Speaker 27: to the tip of would say, get how much it was?

1828
01:27:49,013 --> 01:27:50,732
Speaker 27: You stupid boy?

1829
01:27:51,652 --> 01:27:53,253
Speaker 2: You say sixty.

1830
01:27:55,213 --> 01:27:56,732
Speaker 27: I don't think she needs to meet just but this

1831
01:27:56,893 --> 01:27:58,892
Speaker 27: one was sixteen inches long.

1832
01:28:01,293 --> 01:28:03,532
Speaker 2: Julie's on both sides of the wars, so she's got

1833
01:28:03,572 --> 01:28:07,213
Speaker 2: pet rats sometimes, but also she's happy to suck her

1834
01:28:07,333 --> 01:28:08,293
Speaker 2: cats onto rat.

1835
01:28:08,612 --> 01:28:08,812
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1836
01:28:08,933 --> 01:28:11,093
Speaker 3: The rats are on a short leash that if they

1837
01:28:11,173 --> 01:28:15,213
Speaker 3: put a foot roll was it titch touch the ginger catch?

1838
01:28:15,253 --> 01:28:18,532
Speaker 2: We'll get you, oh, Paul, so you can you can

1839
01:28:19,933 --> 01:28:22,213
Speaker 2: you can speak to this rat that hassled me in

1840
01:28:22,933 --> 01:28:25,092
Speaker 2: on Fulham High Street. So you were a rat catcher

1841
01:28:25,133 --> 01:28:26,132
Speaker 2: in London? Is that correct?

1842
01:28:27,133 --> 01:28:27,333
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1843
01:28:27,412 --> 01:28:29,732
Speaker 8: Back in the days the two footy seasons to going

1844
01:28:29,772 --> 01:28:31,532
Speaker 8: now is that ninety two ninety three?

1845
01:28:31,973 --> 01:28:32,372
Speaker 2: Oh yep.

1846
01:28:32,452 --> 01:28:32,933
Speaker 10: So this was.

1847
01:28:34,412 --> 01:28:36,652
Speaker 8: Whether it was my fold or not, Whether that rat came.

1848
01:28:36,652 --> 01:28:39,532
Speaker 2: Up NOI because this would have been about two thousand

1849
01:28:39,572 --> 01:28:43,452
Speaker 2: and five, So it was outside of your jurisdiction that

1850
01:28:43,652 --> 01:28:46,933
Speaker 2: that rat. But will you be able to confirm you

1851
01:28:47,093 --> 01:28:49,492
Speaker 2: must have did you experience did you see some big,

1852
01:28:49,933 --> 01:28:52,852
Speaker 2: big rats in London in your time as a rat catcher?

1853
01:28:54,013 --> 01:28:57,772
Speaker 8: It certainly did, especially outside QPR Football Ground. There was

1854
01:28:57,812 --> 01:29:00,213
Speaker 8: a few big ones there, even to the point they

1855
01:29:00,253 --> 01:29:02,133
Speaker 8: were going up like that lady said before, They were

1856
01:29:02,173 --> 01:29:03,692
Speaker 8: going up the toilets and coming out and.

1857
01:29:05,293 --> 01:29:09,492
Speaker 3: Not a present vulnerable a situation to be and when

1858
01:29:09,492 --> 01:29:10,452
Speaker 3: they come up through the toilet.

1859
01:29:10,572 --> 01:29:12,293
Speaker 2: So you've been on the front line and the battle

1860
01:29:12,492 --> 01:29:16,053
Speaker 2: against rats. How did you catch the rats? Were you

1861
01:29:16,133 --> 01:29:20,133
Speaker 2: a catcher or a killer of rats? Paul more a killer?

1862
01:29:20,253 --> 01:29:21,892
Speaker 28: There was a few that you had to catch because

1863
01:29:22,293 --> 01:29:24,133
Speaker 28: they were like, if you want to put a good

1864
01:29:24,133 --> 01:29:26,572
Speaker 28: word to like spreaders. So you had to like put

1865
01:29:26,612 --> 01:29:28,253
Speaker 28: them out of there, put them out of the MISERI.

1866
01:29:28,293 --> 01:29:30,253
Speaker 28: But there's not a poison beata down so you know

1867
01:29:30,372 --> 01:29:33,812
Speaker 28: the manholes, just individual manholes right down like the main

1868
01:29:33,853 --> 01:29:38,213
Speaker 28: streams of Fulham and hamisteas pulling those up and making

1869
01:29:38,253 --> 01:29:40,333
Speaker 28: sure that there was infestations.

1870
01:29:40,372 --> 01:29:40,772
Speaker 10: So you just.

1871
01:29:40,853 --> 01:29:43,612
Speaker 28: Concentrate on that area pretty much until they're all gone.

1872
01:29:44,173 --> 01:29:46,133
Speaker 2: And why do rats need to be got rid of

1873
01:29:46,173 --> 01:29:49,893
Speaker 2: because they've got this Parisian deputy mayor who's saying that

1874
01:29:50,093 --> 01:29:52,293
Speaker 2: we need to live in harmony with rats and that

1875
01:29:52,412 --> 01:29:55,692
Speaker 2: they eat a lot of rubbish. What what is it

1876
01:29:55,732 --> 01:29:56,852
Speaker 2: that we need to kill rats?

1877
01:29:57,652 --> 01:30:01,012
Speaker 24: Paul, Well, I think the old tradition.

1878
01:30:01,213 --> 01:30:04,012
Speaker 8: They're pretty much diseased with another they're just carrying it everywhere.

1879
01:30:04,093 --> 01:30:06,732
Speaker 8: So maybe the bit of a rat himself.

1880
01:30:07,293 --> 01:30:10,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if they're coming, I mean I don't

1881
01:30:10,333 --> 01:30:12,812
Speaker 2: think there's anyone wants them coming up the toilets.

1882
01:30:12,973 --> 01:30:16,213
Speaker 3: No, No, I mean if you're the biggest rat lover

1883
01:30:16,372 --> 01:30:19,692
Speaker 3: out there, nobody wants there. It's a vulnerable time in

1884
01:30:19,772 --> 01:30:20,492
Speaker 3: anyone's life.

1885
01:30:20,732 --> 01:30:23,812
Speaker 2: Toilets should be one way operations. Things go away that

1886
01:30:23,853 --> 01:30:24,732
Speaker 2: don't come come up.

1887
01:30:27,093 --> 01:30:29,492
Speaker 3: Paul, just listening to that story, did you ever come

1888
01:30:29,572 --> 01:30:32,213
Speaker 3: across a particular rat that was well known in the

1889
01:30:32,333 --> 01:30:35,692
Speaker 3: area that kind of sized up particular people and chase

1890
01:30:35,772 --> 01:30:36,572
Speaker 3: them down streets.

1891
01:30:38,652 --> 01:30:41,052
Speaker 8: I just probably more rats that were looking for people

1892
01:30:41,133 --> 01:30:42,492
Speaker 8: that they could be mates with.

1893
01:30:43,772 --> 01:30:45,532
Speaker 2: Think so you might have been a drinking buddy. Do

1894
01:30:45,652 --> 01:30:47,572
Speaker 2: you think that rat that followed me down Fulham High

1895
01:30:47,612 --> 01:30:49,092
Speaker 2: Street was actually trying to be friends?

1896
01:30:49,133 --> 01:30:54,652
Speaker 8: He was like, hey mate, no, maybe catch up with

1897
01:30:54,772 --> 01:30:57,893
Speaker 8: me one day and just pass on the regards that

1898
01:30:57,933 --> 01:30:58,293
Speaker 8: it's nice.

1899
01:30:58,333 --> 01:31:04,293
Speaker 2: And did you ever hear of any red attacks? Like

1900
01:31:04,452 --> 01:31:06,932
Speaker 2: so I was, I was speeding up and walking away

1901
01:31:06,973 --> 01:31:08,893
Speaker 2: from this rat like it was Jack the Ripper or

1902
01:31:08,973 --> 01:31:13,732
Speaker 2: something on misty London night. But did the rats ever

1903
01:31:13,772 --> 01:31:16,612
Speaker 2: attack people, bite people? Any of that kind of stuff happened, Paul?

1904
01:31:17,772 --> 01:31:19,652
Speaker 8: So the only ones that generally heard of things like

1905
01:31:19,772 --> 01:31:21,492
Speaker 8: that is protecting the young.

1906
01:31:21,893 --> 01:31:25,132
Speaker 6: So with ye, So you could have walked.

1907
01:31:24,973 --> 01:31:26,053
Speaker 8: Near a nest and that could have been.

1908
01:31:27,812 --> 01:31:28,012
Speaker 16: Away.

1909
01:31:28,372 --> 01:31:31,972
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, otherwise they're keeping to themselves.

1910
01:31:32,013 --> 01:31:34,772
Speaker 2: That one goes, Yeah, did you have any were you

1911
01:31:34,853 --> 01:31:37,652
Speaker 2: ever partial to any numbers of how many rats there

1912
01:31:37,732 --> 01:31:40,492
Speaker 2: were running around in London? Because you know this this

1913
01:31:40,612 --> 01:31:42,893
Speaker 2: report saying there's more rats than there are people in

1914
01:31:42,973 --> 01:31:44,893
Speaker 2: Paris nowadays, even though you wouldn't see them because I

1915
01:31:44,893 --> 01:31:46,772
Speaker 2: guess they're in the sewers, But you know what kind

1916
01:31:46,812 --> 01:31:48,412
Speaker 2: of numbers of rats were running around London?

1917
01:31:49,492 --> 01:31:49,612
Speaker 10: Oh?

1918
01:31:49,692 --> 01:31:52,372
Speaker 8: They were shocking. Some of the man holes you'd open

1919
01:31:52,492 --> 01:31:55,253
Speaker 8: up it was pretty much empty. And other ones you'd

1920
01:31:55,293 --> 01:31:58,692
Speaker 8: open up, which were near more restaurants and whatever, there

1921
01:31:58,772 --> 01:32:00,772
Speaker 8: was just infestation. It was horrible.

1922
01:32:01,173 --> 01:32:04,692
Speaker 3: Wow, how many directing you took out in your time, Paul,

1923
01:32:04,812 --> 01:32:06,933
Speaker 3: did you have a bit of a you know, a

1924
01:32:07,053 --> 01:32:10,253
Speaker 3: leader bar so who took out the rats batically.

1925
01:32:10,333 --> 01:32:13,612
Speaker 8: You couldn't keep count because you throw poison down, so

1926
01:32:13,692 --> 01:32:17,933
Speaker 8: they're basically going away drinking is dying somewhere, if that

1927
01:32:18,053 --> 01:32:18,452
Speaker 8: makes sense.

1928
01:32:18,612 --> 01:32:18,812
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1929
01:32:19,612 --> 01:32:21,093
Speaker 3: Well it's a hell of a job and someone had

1930
01:32:21,133 --> 01:32:22,532
Speaker 3: to do it, Paul and Matt.

1931
01:32:22,452 --> 01:32:27,253
Speaker 2: Gen Look, thank Paul, thank you for your service. Yeah. Unfortunately,

1932
01:32:28,173 --> 01:32:30,652
Speaker 2: unfortunately you let one through and then and that one

1933
01:32:30,732 --> 01:32:32,652
Speaker 2: nearly killed me, or it might have wanted to be

1934
01:32:32,732 --> 01:32:35,572
Speaker 2: made with you boys in nouage and water. Rat long

1935
01:32:35,652 --> 01:32:38,372
Speaker 2: tail with yellow orange teeth bit my elder brother in

1936
01:32:38,452 --> 01:32:41,412
Speaker 2: the nap of his neck. It was in the late fifties.

1937
01:32:41,412 --> 01:32:44,772
Speaker 2: And antibiotics when you were not specific. Local doc said,

1938
01:32:44,772 --> 01:32:46,972
Speaker 2: if he didn't have basic penicil, and my brother would

1939
01:32:46,973 --> 01:32:49,972
Speaker 2: have died. It didn't help that my old man gave

1940
01:32:50,093 --> 01:32:53,492
Speaker 2: us a half crown for each rat. We dispatched them

1941
01:32:53,492 --> 01:32:57,372
Speaker 2: with a twenty two slug at a rat cage that

1942
01:32:57,492 --> 01:33:00,812
Speaker 2: we put ham Rhyns in with the fat rats couldn't

1943
01:33:00,812 --> 01:33:03,293
Speaker 2: resist just running a king rat situation.

1944
01:33:05,053 --> 01:33:08,933
Speaker 3: Eighty is number to call somebody. Rat stories coming through, So.

1945
01:33:09,293 --> 01:33:12,173
Speaker 2: Is it time to call a truce between human and rodent,

1946
01:33:12,452 --> 01:33:16,772
Speaker 2: as the deputy mayor of Paris, Gregory Moreau, is claiming.

1947
01:33:21,173 --> 01:33:24,572
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred and

1948
01:33:24,612 --> 01:33:26,333
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk.

1949
01:33:26,213 --> 01:33:30,173
Speaker 3: ZV afternoon twenty five past three. We're talking about rats.

1950
01:33:29,973 --> 01:33:33,093
Speaker 2: Breaking news out. A lot of the reason, as this

1951
01:33:33,612 --> 01:33:36,572
Speaker 2: Parisian Deputy Mayor, Grigory Moreau is saying, is that's a

1952
01:33:36,893 --> 01:33:39,213
Speaker 2: hangover from the bubonic plague, that we hate rats. And

1953
01:33:39,293 --> 01:33:42,612
Speaker 2: he thinks it's unfairyep and he might be right. I've

1954
01:33:42,692 --> 01:33:45,612
Speaker 2: just been doing a liittle research. According to the study

1955
01:33:46,772 --> 01:33:50,093
Speaker 2: from twenty eighteen, rats were likely not the primary cause

1956
01:33:50,133 --> 01:33:54,012
Speaker 2: of the Black Death. Rather, it was dirty us humans.

1957
01:33:54,492 --> 01:33:57,772
Speaker 2: Human born parasites such as fleas in our clothes and

1958
01:33:57,812 --> 01:34:00,012
Speaker 2: the clothes back then in body lives, are now thought

1959
01:34:00,053 --> 01:34:02,293
Speaker 2: to have been the main victors, especially for the major

1960
01:34:02,333 --> 01:34:06,092
Speaker 2: eight outbreak in the fourteenth and nineteenth centuries in Europe.

1961
01:34:06,572 --> 01:34:06,772
Speaker 29: Oh.

1962
01:34:07,173 --> 01:34:09,612
Speaker 2: In fact, a study of found that gerbils that people

1963
01:34:09,692 --> 01:34:12,852
Speaker 2: had around for whatever reason, no questions being asked, they're

1964
01:34:12,853 --> 01:34:16,012
Speaker 2: no judgment, may have been more involved in the initial

1965
01:34:16,053 --> 01:34:17,652
Speaker 2: outbreak than rats. And yet we're not.

1966
01:34:18,333 --> 01:34:19,612
Speaker 3: We're not running after Gil.

1967
01:34:19,612 --> 01:34:21,052
Speaker 2: We're not going hard on the Gerbils.

1968
01:34:21,053 --> 01:34:21,293
Speaker 14: Are we?

1969
01:34:21,612 --> 01:34:22,293
Speaker 3: Maybe we should?

1970
01:34:22,612 --> 01:34:28,253
Speaker 2: And another study has found that parasites for spreading rats

1971
01:34:28,452 --> 01:34:31,213
Speaker 2: were the parasites that were the main cause of the

1972
01:34:31,253 --> 01:34:33,572
Speaker 2: Black Death, had absolutely nothing to do with rats.

1973
01:34:34,133 --> 01:34:36,732
Speaker 3: Justice for rats. Yeah, but never trust a person with

1974
01:34:36,812 --> 01:34:38,372
Speaker 3: a giubil. You're quite right there, Paul.

1975
01:34:38,973 --> 01:34:39,812
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

1976
01:34:41,452 --> 01:34:43,812
Speaker 29: Okay, it's actually not Paul anymore. It's his daughter.

1977
01:34:43,933 --> 01:34:44,972
Speaker 26: He's had to go to work.

1978
01:34:45,333 --> 01:34:47,572
Speaker 2: Ah, well, hello, Paul daughter, you can.

1979
01:34:48,093 --> 01:34:49,492
Speaker 29: He's left me with the story.

1980
01:34:49,732 --> 01:34:53,093
Speaker 2: Okay, oh good, Well but great. What's your name?

1981
01:34:53,492 --> 01:34:56,253
Speaker 29: Sorry, Casey Brithers.

1982
01:34:56,253 --> 01:34:58,012
Speaker 2: Casey, Casey, welcome to the show.

1983
01:34:58,133 --> 01:35:00,612
Speaker 3: All right, so we're very keen to hear this rat story. Casey,

1984
01:35:00,692 --> 01:35:01,652
Speaker 3: let's hear about this rat.

1985
01:35:02,732 --> 01:35:07,772
Speaker 29: Okay, Well, we've had kit rats for a while, like

1986
01:35:07,933 --> 01:35:10,213
Speaker 29: my whole life pretty much. I may seem we've had

1987
01:35:10,293 --> 01:35:15,452
Speaker 29: them for ten years old less. And we riscued these

1988
01:35:15,652 --> 01:35:18,612
Speaker 29: these two white little they were gorgeous rats. They were

1989
01:35:18,692 --> 01:35:22,293
Speaker 29: so sweet, and one of them actually got out.

1990
01:35:22,692 --> 01:35:24,973
Speaker 2: Where did you rescue them from? Casey? What do you

1991
01:35:25,013 --> 01:35:25,772
Speaker 2: mean you riscued them?

1992
01:35:25,933 --> 01:35:25,973
Speaker 21: Just?

1993
01:35:27,772 --> 01:35:29,972
Speaker 2: Okay? Right, so they were always pits. You didn't risk

1994
01:35:30,253 --> 01:35:32,293
Speaker 2: them from a rat trap. They went wild rats. They

1995
01:35:32,293 --> 01:35:34,652
Speaker 2: were they were always piped yep.

1996
01:35:35,692 --> 01:35:38,893
Speaker 29: But yeah, one of them actually got out and it

1997
01:35:39,053 --> 01:35:45,173
Speaker 29: Bride was a wild rat around our house. We had

1998
01:35:46,133 --> 01:35:48,812
Speaker 29: like twenty baby rats just running around.

1999
01:35:50,093 --> 01:35:51,652
Speaker 2: That's a horror show for a lot of people. How

2000
01:35:51,692 --> 01:35:52,293
Speaker 2: did that affect you?

2001
01:35:53,772 --> 01:35:53,852
Speaker 19: Oh?

2002
01:35:53,893 --> 01:35:56,492
Speaker 29: It was terrible. And my dad he didn't mind us

2003
01:35:56,532 --> 01:35:58,732
Speaker 29: having pit rats, but oh he hated the main.

2004
01:36:00,253 --> 01:36:00,492
Speaker 4: Ones.

2005
01:36:01,213 --> 01:36:04,173
Speaker 29: I'd always puck our pit rats onto them and it's

2006
01:36:04,452 --> 01:36:05,293
Speaker 29: would be so mad.

2007
01:36:06,253 --> 01:36:09,333
Speaker 2: Sort of a montague and capulot situation with the rat

2008
01:36:09,412 --> 01:36:13,612
Speaker 2: getting out and you know, breeding from a different family,

2009
01:36:14,013 --> 01:36:17,133
Speaker 2: a plague on both your houses type situation. So how

2010
01:36:17,173 --> 01:36:21,772
Speaker 2: did you get rid of that infestation casey Oh, we.

2011
01:36:21,893 --> 01:36:24,053
Speaker 29: Didn't really that. We just kind of let them road

2012
01:36:24,133 --> 01:36:24,572
Speaker 29: free of it.

2013
01:36:25,372 --> 01:36:25,612
Speaker 19: Wow.

2014
01:36:26,133 --> 01:36:27,732
Speaker 3: Was there hope for some of the hybrids? You know,

2015
01:36:27,893 --> 01:36:29,932
Speaker 3: like some of them would have been maybe more fearal

2016
01:36:30,173 --> 01:36:31,972
Speaker 3: and some of them may be a bit more tame.

2017
01:36:33,812 --> 01:36:36,932
Speaker 29: I don't know if any of them would be tame, really,

2018
01:36:37,013 --> 01:36:39,093
Speaker 29: we don't know if we're our hit one with he

2019
01:36:39,253 --> 01:36:40,612
Speaker 29: just disappeared.

2020
01:36:40,053 --> 01:36:40,973
Speaker 7: And a bunch of.

2021
01:36:42,532 --> 01:36:44,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it didn't even look after It was just

2022
01:36:44,372 --> 01:36:48,213
Speaker 2: like an absent father just got out much Yeah, so

2023
01:36:48,372 --> 01:36:52,013
Speaker 2: does wild oats and left twenty rat infestation in your house.

2024
01:36:52,213 --> 01:36:53,933
Speaker 2: What was it like to bring friends around to this

2025
01:36:54,093 --> 01:36:55,213
Speaker 2: rat and fisted house?

2026
01:36:56,532 --> 01:36:59,532
Speaker 29: Oh well, I think dad's trends saw like they'll be

2027
01:36:59,612 --> 01:37:01,532
Speaker 29: out on a Saturday night out on the balcony and

2028
01:37:01,772 --> 01:37:04,372
Speaker 29: it's just the little little white rats running.

2029
01:37:04,093 --> 01:37:04,692
Speaker 11: Around in the.

2030
01:37:07,293 --> 01:37:10,692
Speaker 2: So bad good and so has there been any more

2031
01:37:10,812 --> 01:37:13,333
Speaker 2: pet rats or risky rats in the house or did

2032
01:37:13,372 --> 01:37:16,213
Speaker 2: this put you off running a ratterie.

2033
01:37:17,133 --> 01:37:20,412
Speaker 29: The other rat that stayed with us that the other

2034
01:37:20,492 --> 01:37:23,412
Speaker 29: one got out, it's brother pretty much. This is around

2035
01:37:23,532 --> 01:37:29,732
Speaker 29: Christmas time and one of the offsprings got inside of

2036
01:37:29,812 --> 01:37:33,492
Speaker 29: our house and attacked our pit rat.

2037
01:37:33,492 --> 01:37:35,372
Speaker 3: At the time, Oh wow, wow.

2038
01:37:36,893 --> 01:37:38,812
Speaker 29: We were all sitting in the living room and I

2039
01:37:39,133 --> 01:37:43,053
Speaker 29: was just playing around with my rats, and he was

2040
01:37:43,173 --> 01:37:46,333
Speaker 29: like looking behind the couch and smiththing real like rapidly,

2041
01:37:47,253 --> 01:37:49,372
Speaker 29: and I was that confused, and Mom was like, just

2042
01:37:49,452 --> 01:37:51,293
Speaker 29: want chickens do something like we thought there was like

2043
01:37:51,572 --> 01:37:54,293
Speaker 29: food or something that got dropped behind there. And then

2044
01:37:54,293 --> 01:37:55,812
Speaker 29: all of a sudden, I just hear a bunch of

2045
01:37:55,893 --> 01:37:59,013
Speaker 29: squeaking and rustling and stuff, and my rat actually got

2046
01:37:59,093 --> 01:38:02,812
Speaker 29: pulled behind the couch and there's a massive fight and stuff,

2047
01:38:02,893 --> 01:38:05,772
Speaker 29: and this big like white and black rat just came

2048
01:38:05,853 --> 01:38:08,612
Speaker 29: running out, ran through the front door, tried to hidden

2049
01:38:08,652 --> 01:38:12,212
Speaker 29: through the cat door again and shamblesh my goodness.

2050
01:38:12,612 --> 01:38:15,412
Speaker 2: So this rat's gone out of his way to attack

2051
01:38:15,572 --> 01:38:17,133
Speaker 2: your friendly pet rat.

2052
01:38:17,492 --> 01:38:17,772
Speaker 5: What an.

2053
01:38:19,293 --> 01:38:21,772
Speaker 2: This is why the war continues because there may be

2054
01:38:21,973 --> 01:38:25,012
Speaker 2: some good rats out there, but there are just these

2055
01:38:25,173 --> 01:38:29,172
Speaker 2: bad eggs, these bad operators that are that's shocking.

2056
01:38:29,213 --> 01:38:31,412
Speaker 3: But it's rat families at war, though, wasn't it? Because

2057
01:38:31,452 --> 01:38:34,372
Speaker 3: clearly that rat had some lineage involved with your pet rat,

2058
01:38:34,412 --> 01:38:38,893
Speaker 3: didn't it. Yeah, pretty much, you've created some sort of

2059
01:38:38,973 --> 01:38:40,372
Speaker 3: succession situation going on.

2060
01:38:40,973 --> 01:38:44,452
Speaker 2: It's a king rat situation. You've created like a hybrid,

2061
01:38:44,772 --> 01:38:47,133
Speaker 2: super powerful killer rat.

2062
01:38:49,133 --> 01:38:49,293
Speaker 7: Much.

2063
01:38:49,692 --> 01:38:53,333
Speaker 29: Yeah, our rat, we loved him so much that he

2064
01:38:53,452 --> 01:38:55,652
Speaker 29: had we had to take him to the vet. And

2065
01:38:55,812 --> 01:38:58,412
Speaker 29: we spent a thousand dollars on him.

2066
01:38:58,973 --> 01:39:03,293
Speaker 30: Wow, from the from the injuries, from the from the

2067
01:39:03,732 --> 01:39:08,253
Speaker 30: rogue hybrid pet wild rat that attacked one of its

2068
01:39:08,532 --> 01:39:12,372
Speaker 30: parents in a thousand bucks why not?

2069
01:39:13,053 --> 01:39:14,492
Speaker 2: Wow, he got he.

2070
01:39:14,532 --> 01:39:18,972
Speaker 29: Got like three massive bite marks and obviously they got infected,

2071
01:39:19,612 --> 01:39:21,652
Speaker 29: so he constantly had to keep buying more and he

2072
01:39:21,732 --> 01:39:23,972
Speaker 29: boiled it for the little guy, and then he ended

2073
01:39:24,013 --> 01:39:27,052
Speaker 29: up dying from a respiratory in fiction, his hard.

2074
01:39:26,933 --> 01:39:27,732
Speaker 3: Life being that rat.

2075
01:39:28,093 --> 01:39:30,852
Speaker 2: You've gone through a lot of rat based pain and

2076
01:39:31,013 --> 01:39:33,612
Speaker 2: experience in your short amount of years on this planet.

2077
01:39:33,652 --> 01:39:35,452
Speaker 2: But thank you so much for sharing. I appreciate that.

2078
01:39:35,612 --> 01:39:38,093
Speaker 3: So how a story casey? Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm

2079
01:39:38,133 --> 01:39:40,213
Speaker 3: not sure that we end up on the pro rest

2080
01:39:40,333 --> 01:39:42,572
Speaker 3: Or Conrad after that one. I don't know that.

2081
01:39:42,812 --> 01:39:45,573
Speaker 2: I don't know wh where that sits on our discussion.

2082
01:39:45,652 --> 01:39:47,173
Speaker 2: And I'd love to hear from you on one hundred

2083
01:39:47,173 --> 01:39:49,253
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty nine, two ninety two whether that

2084
01:39:49,452 --> 01:39:51,772
Speaker 2: changes your opinions on whether we should call a truce

2085
01:39:51,853 --> 01:39:56,133
Speaker 2: between human and rodent. I think that's yeah, that's muddy

2086
01:39:56,133 --> 01:39:56,692
Speaker 2: the waters for me.

2087
01:39:56,933 --> 01:40:00,212
Speaker 3: Soon he ends it is twenty eight to four headlines

2088
01:40:00,213 --> 01:40:01,053
Speaker 3: with raelane coming up.

2089
01:40:03,492 --> 01:40:04,333
Speaker 6: Hus Talk said.

2090
01:40:04,372 --> 01:40:07,893
Speaker 14: The headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with

2091
01:40:07,973 --> 01:40:11,773
Speaker 14: a blue. The government says it's hoping to reduce confusion

2092
01:40:12,133 --> 01:40:16,293
Speaker 14: by letting FARMAC and health end Z both purchase medical devices.

2093
01:40:16,812 --> 01:40:20,452
Speaker 14: Farmac will concentrate on or complex higher tech items, and

2094
01:40:20,612 --> 01:40:24,652
Speaker 14: health end Z more on bolt buying a person's died

2095
01:40:24,772 --> 01:40:29,532
Speaker 14: suddenly near McDonald's in Greymouth, with police called just after midday.

2096
01:40:29,973 --> 01:40:33,892
Speaker 14: Cordons are in place. A person's been assaulted and critically

2097
01:40:33,973 --> 01:40:37,372
Speaker 14: injured in an assault at a disability support service property

2098
01:40:37,692 --> 01:40:42,572
Speaker 14: on Sparks Road in Christchurch's Hallswell early this morning. Family

2099
01:40:42,732 --> 01:40:47,452
Speaker 14: owned Tamaru dessert company den Heath, fame for its custard squares,

2100
01:40:47,732 --> 01:40:52,173
Speaker 14: has gone into liquidation. The transport agencies urging people to

2101
01:40:52,293 --> 01:40:56,532
Speaker 14: anticipate winter like conditions in Southland and Otago roads, with

2102
01:40:56,692 --> 01:41:00,133
Speaker 14: sleaty showers down to three hundred meters likely lower in

2103
01:41:00,253 --> 01:41:04,213
Speaker 14: Stuthland and kluther Snow is expected on State Highway one

2104
01:41:04,293 --> 01:41:08,053
Speaker 14: from Dunedin to Waitati until the morning and strong wind

2105
01:41:08,053 --> 01:41:12,012
Speaker 14: watch applied to Otigo, Southland, Fieldland, Stuart Island and Canterbury

2106
01:41:12,133 --> 01:41:17,813
Speaker 14: High Country. In Zaid schools suffer recalled rugby defeat to Australia.

2107
01:41:18,133 --> 01:41:20,652
Speaker 14: You can see the story at Enzid Herald Premium. Now

2108
01:41:20,732 --> 01:41:22,253
Speaker 14: back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

2109
01:41:22,293 --> 01:41:22,972
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

2110
01:41:23,093 --> 01:41:26,012
Speaker 3: Roylean having a great discussion about rats, and the reason

2111
01:41:26,053 --> 01:41:28,852
Speaker 3: we're having that discussion is there's a deputy mayor in Paris.

2112
01:41:28,933 --> 01:41:31,213
Speaker 3: His name is Gregory Moreau. He's got a pitt rat

2113
01:41:31,213 --> 01:41:33,652
Speaker 3: in himself called Plume, and he says it's time for

2114
01:41:33,692 --> 01:41:36,293
Speaker 3: a bit of an armistice between us and the rats.

2115
01:41:36,452 --> 01:41:39,452
Speaker 2: I used to flat with this young lady called Wendy

2116
01:41:39,933 --> 01:41:42,932
Speaker 2: and she had dreads. This was in High Street and Dunedin,

2117
01:41:43,532 --> 01:41:46,293
Speaker 2: and she'd have she had a rat that would run

2118
01:41:46,293 --> 01:41:47,052
Speaker 2: around in her dreads.

2119
01:41:47,093 --> 01:41:47,652
Speaker 3: Oh yuck.

2120
01:41:47,812 --> 01:41:49,692
Speaker 2: So she'd come out of her room. It was quite

2121
01:41:49,692 --> 01:41:51,372
Speaker 2: a big flat, and then she just walked past and

2122
01:41:51,452 --> 01:41:53,093
Speaker 2: then a rat would be sort of moving in and

2123
01:41:53,213 --> 01:41:58,333
Speaker 2: out of her dreads. Was very Meducia like it. I

2124
01:41:58,412 --> 01:42:01,893
Speaker 2: didn't enjoy it. She was lovely, lovely person windy, but

2125
01:42:01,973 --> 01:42:04,173
Speaker 2: I didn't enjoy that part of her. My youngest son

2126
01:42:04,213 --> 01:42:06,253
Speaker 2: says this text to write a book titled Pitts Versus

2127
01:42:07,013 --> 01:42:10,692
Speaker 2: Pists Versus Pests about exactly the problem between the pet

2128
01:42:10,772 --> 01:42:12,893
Speaker 2: rats and the feral ones when he was eleven. He

2129
01:42:12,973 --> 01:42:15,053
Speaker 2: loved the play on words. But also, I think it's

2130
01:42:15,053 --> 01:42:18,133
Speaker 2: an insight into this discussion on the show right now.

2131
01:42:18,452 --> 01:42:20,772
Speaker 2: A funny little tale of a rumble between pet rats

2132
01:42:20,853 --> 01:42:24,372
Speaker 2: and pest rats. Can you guess who won? Thanks and

2133
01:42:24,452 --> 01:42:27,133
Speaker 2: enjoying your chats, Matt and Tyler yeah. I mean that

2134
01:42:27,293 --> 01:42:32,612
Speaker 2: was a horrific story there from Casey around the pet

2135
01:42:32,732 --> 01:42:35,293
Speaker 2: rat that got attacked by a faral rat And as

2136
01:42:35,333 --> 01:42:38,372
Speaker 2: someone says, wasn't that essentially the plot to Gremlins? It

2137
01:42:38,452 --> 01:42:41,012
Speaker 2: kind of was great movie Gremlins.

2138
01:42:41,093 --> 01:42:44,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good point, James. So were you all right?

2139
01:42:45,293 --> 01:42:52,532
Speaker 4: Yeah? Basically I think the first country. I think keeping

2140
01:42:52,612 --> 01:42:55,772
Speaker 4: the war on rats are going is a good idea

2141
01:42:55,933 --> 01:42:59,772
Speaker 4: basically because we humans are responsible for bringing them here.

2142
01:43:01,452 --> 01:43:05,333
Speaker 4: I mean, back before we big ugly things from two

2143
01:43:05,492 --> 01:43:09,172
Speaker 4: leagues and arm started showing up, the country was basically

2144
01:43:09,893 --> 01:43:12,493
Speaker 4: a land basically of birds and insects.

2145
01:43:13,053 --> 01:43:14,173
Speaker 2: It's a very good point, James.

2146
01:43:14,452 --> 01:43:15,492
Speaker 4: With no rats at all.

2147
01:43:16,173 --> 01:43:18,412
Speaker 2: They those rats as soon as they came in, they

2148
01:43:18,692 --> 01:43:23,412
Speaker 2: absolutely just laid waste and they just came here rats

2149
01:43:23,452 --> 01:43:25,452
Speaker 2: and went, oh my god, this is so great. These

2150
01:43:26,173 --> 01:43:30,612
Speaker 2: these eggs, these eggs everywhere, these chicks everywhere. They loved it.

2151
01:43:30,853 --> 01:43:31,253
Speaker 3: Buffet.

2152
01:43:31,572 --> 01:43:35,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, and no predators to to push back, no predators.

2153
01:43:34,812 --> 01:43:39,692
Speaker 4: To take them on. The only the only real wing

2154
01:43:39,893 --> 01:43:43,132
Speaker 4: predator we have is a short, short range falcon.

2155
01:43:44,372 --> 01:43:46,572
Speaker 3: We need some good owls in this country. Owls love

2156
01:43:46,612 --> 01:43:47,093
Speaker 3: a good rat.

2157
01:43:47,812 --> 01:43:50,572
Speaker 4: Yes, there was more hawks an owl, but.

2158
01:43:52,293 --> 01:43:57,772
Speaker 2: So did did, So what's the the our falcon? Because

2159
01:43:58,293 --> 01:44:00,293
Speaker 2: could our falcon? Does our falcon ever get get on

2160
01:44:00,333 --> 01:44:00,732
Speaker 2: the rats?

2161
01:44:00,933 --> 01:44:01,213
Speaker 5: Must do?

2162
01:44:01,652 --> 01:44:03,412
Speaker 3: I see it circling? Sometimes done it?

2163
01:44:03,532 --> 01:44:07,213
Speaker 4: Some stays? I mean must you know it would have

2164
01:44:07,293 --> 01:44:11,972
Speaker 4: gone from praise these we we don't have an eagle

2165
01:44:12,053 --> 01:44:13,852
Speaker 4: anymore because the mar is gone.

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01:44:14,452 --> 01:44:18,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, the Carrera era that was that. You know,

2167
01:44:19,412 --> 01:44:22,532
Speaker 2: I've got an interesting theory on those. Yeah, yeah, oh

2168
01:44:22,572 --> 01:44:24,652
Speaker 2: the Haasht eagle that went after the Mars. Thanks for

2169
01:44:24,692 --> 01:44:26,612
Speaker 2: your call, James, But that's a that's a very good point.

2170
01:44:26,853 --> 01:44:29,133
Speaker 2: And Ben agrees on the text rats seet our native

2171
01:44:29,173 --> 01:44:32,852
Speaker 2: birds kill all the rats. So Ben and James think

2172
01:44:32,893 --> 01:44:37,333
Speaker 2: the war against rats should continue. They definitely New Zealand

2173
01:44:37,612 --> 01:44:40,093
Speaker 2: was definitely not prepared for rats. No, that's for sure.

2174
01:44:40,173 --> 01:44:42,652
Speaker 2: Our flora and fauna was not ready. No, not ready.

2175
01:44:43,492 --> 01:44:45,253
Speaker 3: They had a good time when they came here. Oh

2176
01:44:45,372 --> 01:44:49,612
Speaker 3: my god, who Pardie Central. Absolutely yeah, oh one hundred

2177
01:44:49,612 --> 01:44:51,732
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty love to hear your rat stories.

2178
01:44:51,853 --> 01:44:54,412
Speaker 2: Eighteen forty five years ago, I might have wagged school

2179
01:44:54,572 --> 01:44:56,572
Speaker 2: as you do. My friend and I used to go

2180
01:44:56,812 --> 01:44:59,452
Speaker 2: under the wharf in Wellington to have a slice, smoke

2181
01:44:59,492 --> 01:45:02,013
Speaker 2: and a fish nice. The rats under the wolves were

2182
01:45:02,053 --> 01:45:05,452
Speaker 2: the size of small dogs, eyes glowing in the dark,

2183
01:45:05,572 --> 01:45:08,293
Speaker 2: and then running around the beams. First time I saw one,

2184
01:45:08,532 --> 01:45:11,532
Speaker 2: I got sick, fright, and I fell in the drink.

2185
01:45:12,293 --> 01:45:13,572
Speaker 2: There you go, kill all rat.

2186
01:45:13,853 --> 01:45:16,292
Speaker 3: A rat the size of a dog, that would be terrifying.

2187
01:45:17,253 --> 01:45:19,253
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

2188
01:45:19,253 --> 01:45:20,012
Speaker 3: to call, Jennifer.

2189
01:45:20,133 --> 01:45:20,452
Speaker 12: How are you?

2190
01:45:21,572 --> 01:45:24,293
Speaker 3: I thank you, and you've got a rat story for us.

2191
01:45:25,412 --> 01:45:28,372
Speaker 31: Yeah, a rat was responsible for me getting to know

2192
01:45:28,492 --> 01:45:30,973
Speaker 31: all my lecturers and political science when I was at

2193
01:45:31,013 --> 01:45:32,213
Speaker 31: Canterbury University.

2194
01:45:32,412 --> 01:45:33,133
Speaker 3: This is a good start.

2195
01:45:33,253 --> 01:45:36,972
Speaker 31: I mean normally a first year student only learned their

2196
01:45:37,253 --> 01:45:41,372
Speaker 31: you know, gets to know their tutor. But we had

2197
01:45:41,812 --> 01:45:44,892
Speaker 31: political science at night, I think it was between nine

2198
01:45:44,973 --> 01:45:48,412
Speaker 31: and ten and we went and it was about my

2199
01:45:48,532 --> 01:45:53,013
Speaker 31: second year university back in nineteen seventy one, and there

2200
01:45:53,133 --> 01:45:56,812
Speaker 31: was the young guy that was taking the political philosophy lectures,

2201
01:45:57,532 --> 01:46:00,173
Speaker 31: was just starting his just started his lecture and he

2202
01:46:00,253 --> 01:46:03,973
Speaker 31: suddenly just froze and he just stood there shaking, and

2203
01:46:04,053 --> 01:46:07,412
Speaker 31: I thought, what the hell was wrong with him? So anyway,

2204
01:46:07,492 --> 01:46:10,452
Speaker 31: I stood up and there was a large rat sitting

2205
01:46:10,572 --> 01:46:12,253
Speaker 31: right in front of him, about a foot away and

2206
01:46:12,333 --> 01:46:16,732
Speaker 31: he was terrified. So I said, wait a minute, don't move,

2207
01:46:16,812 --> 01:46:19,253
Speaker 31: I'll come and get it. So I went down and

2208
01:46:19,372 --> 01:46:21,013
Speaker 31: it was one of the big water rats out of

2209
01:46:21,053 --> 01:46:24,772
Speaker 31: the avon, and I managed to get my hand just

2210
01:46:24,933 --> 01:46:27,253
Speaker 31: over its shoulders so it couldn't turn around and bite me.

2211
01:46:27,973 --> 01:46:32,452
Speaker 31: Carried it out, come back, and the lecturer says, I'm

2212
01:46:32,492 --> 01:46:33,852
Speaker 31: going to give you an A plus at the end

2213
01:46:33,893 --> 01:46:36,932
Speaker 31: of the year. I thought, I'll bet you don't. But anyway,

2214
01:46:37,853 --> 01:46:41,292
Speaker 31: the next day I went to the Political science department

2215
01:46:41,612 --> 01:46:44,612
Speaker 31: and every all the lecturers greeted me by name. They'd

2216
01:46:44,652 --> 01:46:48,013
Speaker 31: already been told about the rat. But there was a

2217
01:46:48,093 --> 01:46:51,133
Speaker 31: follow up. It turned out that the class before us,

2218
01:46:51,293 --> 01:46:54,692
Speaker 31: a psychology class, a group of the guys had seen

2219
01:46:54,772 --> 01:46:57,852
Speaker 31: this rat down in the university courtyard and had trapped

2220
01:46:57,893 --> 01:46:59,852
Speaker 31: it in a briefcase and taken it up to scare

2221
01:46:59,893 --> 01:47:03,093
Speaker 31: their lecturer, and the electurer hadn't been afraid of it,

2222
01:47:03,213 --> 01:47:05,253
Speaker 31: and it had run up amongst the students and had

2223
01:47:05,293 --> 01:47:08,732
Speaker 31: cleared the lecture hall. But when we came in, it

2224
01:47:08,893 --> 01:47:11,972
Speaker 31: was down the front again, putting on our lecturer.

2225
01:47:12,812 --> 01:47:15,892
Speaker 3: So it sounds like you had some experience with rats before, Jennifer,

2226
01:47:16,213 --> 01:47:17,532
Speaker 3: So what did you do. So you went up in

2227
01:47:17,572 --> 01:47:19,253
Speaker 3: your city. You grabbed it by the shoulder so it

2228
01:47:19,293 --> 01:47:20,412
Speaker 3: didn't turn around and bite you.

2229
01:47:20,933 --> 01:47:23,012
Speaker 2: So it's a rat big enough to have a shoulder.

2230
01:47:24,333 --> 01:47:26,412
Speaker 31: Oh yeah, they're wide. I mean I could barely get

2231
01:47:26,452 --> 01:47:27,293
Speaker 31: my hand across it.

2232
01:47:27,532 --> 01:47:28,852
Speaker 3: Good traps on a rat.

2233
01:47:29,053 --> 01:47:30,572
Speaker 2: Wow, thank you for your story, Jennifer.

2234
01:47:30,933 --> 01:47:33,052
Speaker 3: I mean that is a hell of a technique supposedly

2235
01:47:33,973 --> 01:47:35,293
Speaker 3: right around the leech your.

2236
01:47:35,293 --> 01:47:39,412
Speaker 2: Hare tyler, you buffoon. We have the du Oh we

2237
01:47:39,532 --> 01:47:40,692
Speaker 2: do have an owl.

2238
01:47:40,973 --> 01:47:43,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, they take the reds so they're quite small. Ouse.

2239
01:47:44,973 --> 01:47:47,572
Speaker 2: Ah yeah, I mean do they do they? They they'll

2240
01:47:47,572 --> 01:47:49,333
Speaker 2: take out a mouse. I'll tell you what if you

2241
01:47:49,452 --> 01:47:51,892
Speaker 2: if you've got mice, it means you don't have rats.

2242
01:47:51,933 --> 01:47:54,772
Speaker 2: That's that's I've always been being told. Yeah, so that's

2243
01:47:54,812 --> 01:47:56,412
Speaker 2: a plus. If you see a mouse running around, I've

2244
01:47:56,412 --> 01:47:58,732
Speaker 2: got a horrific Actually, I've just remembered another horrific rat

2245
01:47:58,812 --> 01:47:59,892
Speaker 2: story from my life.

2246
01:47:59,973 --> 01:48:02,372
Speaker 3: You've got a lot of them. Yeah, Man, this and

2247
01:48:02,452 --> 01:48:02,972
Speaker 3: trauma there.

2248
01:48:03,053 --> 01:48:03,213
Speaker 14: I know.

2249
01:48:03,412 --> 01:48:05,732
Speaker 2: That's why I'm not willing to lay down arms against them.

2250
01:48:05,812 --> 01:48:07,972
Speaker 2: That's why i want to continue the war. You're already

2251
01:48:08,093 --> 01:48:12,133
Speaker 2: I'm like the Parisian Deputy mayor Gregory Moreau who thinks

2252
01:48:12,133 --> 01:48:14,812
Speaker 2: that we should have an amnesty between humans and rats.

2253
01:48:15,173 --> 01:48:16,732
Speaker 2: I'm not willing to lay down. I've got too much,

2254
01:48:17,452 --> 01:48:19,492
Speaker 2: too much bitterness from things that happen. I'll share this

2255
01:48:19,692 --> 01:48:22,293
Speaker 2: horrific rat story next actually, and there's a bunch more

2256
01:48:22,372 --> 01:48:23,932
Speaker 2: coming through that kind of support what I'm saying.

2257
01:48:24,053 --> 01:48:25,372
Speaker 3: It's seventeen to four.

2258
01:48:26,612 --> 01:48:30,532
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eighty eight Matt Heathen,

2259
01:48:30,612 --> 01:48:32,932
Speaker 1: Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

2260
01:48:32,973 --> 01:48:35,012
Speaker 3: They'd be for a good afternoon to you. We're talking

2261
01:48:35,053 --> 01:48:37,772
Speaker 3: about rats and hearing your rat stories.

2262
01:48:37,732 --> 01:48:41,052
Speaker 2: You muppets. We also have a barn owl in New Zealand.

2263
01:48:41,372 --> 01:48:44,253
Speaker 3: I'll accept that. I'll have a we mea coppy here.

2264
01:48:44,293 --> 01:48:45,973
Speaker 3: I had no idea we had barn owls, because that's

2265
01:48:46,013 --> 01:48:48,293
Speaker 3: what I was thinking of those gigantic, beautiful barn owls

2266
01:48:48,333 --> 01:48:50,452
Speaker 3: that they've got in the UK. Love a rat, They

2267
01:48:50,572 --> 01:48:52,612
Speaker 3: absolutely destroy rats, and it turns out.

2268
01:48:52,532 --> 01:48:53,093
Speaker 24: We do have them.

2269
01:48:53,253 --> 01:48:56,652
Speaker 2: Can a voodoo do a rat? Yes it can, right,

2270
01:48:56,732 --> 01:48:58,772
Speaker 2: I can, yep. It loves a rat as well, but

2271
01:48:58,853 --> 01:49:01,293
Speaker 2: prefers mice. I've seen a lab rat cross with a

2272
01:49:01,372 --> 01:49:03,412
Speaker 2: water rat as big as a cat. When they get

2273
01:49:03,452 --> 01:49:05,812
Speaker 2: that big they don't look like the normal rat. They

2274
01:49:05,853 --> 01:49:08,972
Speaker 2: are effing monsters. Is this text. I had a mate

2275
01:49:09,013 --> 01:49:11,492
Speaker 2: that lost her house because of them. She tried four

2276
01:49:11,572 --> 01:49:13,732
Speaker 2: years to get rid of them, but lost the war

2277
01:49:14,053 --> 01:49:16,732
Speaker 2: and lost her house. See, you know, we're not going

2278
01:49:16,812 --> 01:49:19,093
Speaker 2: to call a truce against rodents when people when they're

2279
01:49:19,133 --> 01:49:22,092
Speaker 2: when they're breeding with water rats and their biggers cats,

2280
01:49:22,133 --> 01:49:23,572
Speaker 2: and they're monsters and they're.

2281
01:49:23,772 --> 01:49:26,572
Speaker 3: If they're taking Beeper's home, we can't accept. The war

2282
01:49:26,692 --> 01:49:27,093
Speaker 3: is not over.

2283
01:49:27,253 --> 01:49:30,372
Speaker 2: People are losing their their houses them so quickly. My

2284
01:49:30,492 --> 01:49:33,892
Speaker 2: rat story, So I heard her. I sat, we had

2285
01:49:33,933 --> 01:49:36,293
Speaker 2: mice in this house. I set traps for the mice.

2286
01:49:36,692 --> 01:49:37,812
Speaker 2: I got up in the middle of the night, souse.

2287
01:49:37,812 --> 01:49:39,412
Speaker 2: I heard a banging where I'd set there. I heard

2288
01:49:39,452 --> 01:49:41,053
Speaker 2: the rat trap go off, and then I heard some

2289
01:49:41,133 --> 01:49:42,852
Speaker 2: banging under the couch, and I was like, that seems

2290
01:49:42,853 --> 01:49:45,452
Speaker 2: bigger than a mouse. So I pulled the couch back

2291
01:49:45,732 --> 01:49:48,293
Speaker 2: and what do I see? A rat is eating the

2292
01:49:48,372 --> 01:49:52,052
Speaker 2: mouse and the mouse trapp So the mouse was stuck

2293
01:49:52,093 --> 01:49:54,612
Speaker 2: in the trap, and immediately the rat thought that the

2294
01:49:54,692 --> 01:49:57,132
Speaker 2: mouse was food and started eating the mouse. How horrific

2295
01:49:57,253 --> 01:49:58,253
Speaker 2: is that that? I mean?

2296
01:49:58,333 --> 01:50:00,732
Speaker 3: See, there's nobody safe from a rat. I would have

2297
01:50:00,732 --> 01:50:03,052
Speaker 3: thought they'd be kindred spirits, the old mump mice and rats,

2298
01:50:03,093 --> 01:50:03,492
Speaker 3: But so.

2299
01:50:03,812 --> 01:50:06,093
Speaker 2: I put it in a systeamer lunchbox and shook it

2300
01:50:06,133 --> 01:50:11,812
Speaker 2: all about. Maria. Welcome to the show. Hi, Matt and Tyler.

2301
01:50:11,893 --> 01:50:13,053
Speaker 23: Thanks taking my call.

2302
01:50:13,372 --> 01:50:13,732
Speaker 2: Thanks for that.

2303
01:50:14,213 --> 01:50:18,253
Speaker 23: I almost had to hang up because I'm driving after

2304
01:50:18,333 --> 01:50:20,412
Speaker 23: being an amazing jump in the car and heard you

2305
01:50:20,492 --> 01:50:23,053
Speaker 23: guys talking about this, and I think I'm going to

2306
01:50:23,053 --> 01:50:25,372
Speaker 23: have to go to counseling because it's taken me back

2307
01:50:26,333 --> 01:50:29,253
Speaker 23: to the nineties when I was in a flat in

2308
01:50:29,933 --> 01:50:32,612
Speaker 23: Mount cal Kinky Street and it was my first feeding

2309
01:50:32,732 --> 01:50:35,772
Speaker 23: experience in my early twenties, playing with a couple of

2310
01:50:35,853 --> 01:50:38,812
Speaker 23: other guys, and I took myself off to the bar

2311
01:50:39,013 --> 01:50:40,253
Speaker 23: and there was a hole at the end of the

2312
01:50:40,333 --> 01:50:44,732
Speaker 23: bars where the GiB and rotted and mixing. This rats

2313
01:50:44,812 --> 01:50:46,452
Speaker 23: popping a little I don't know whether it was a

2314
01:50:46,532 --> 01:50:50,773
Speaker 23: he or she popping its head out, and I just screamed,

2315
01:50:51,213 --> 01:50:54,053
Speaker 23: and it jumped into the bar with me, followed by

2316
01:50:54,133 --> 01:50:57,532
Speaker 23: two of it's mate Oh my god, and I just

2317
01:50:57,893 --> 01:51:00,732
Speaker 23: I just got to I don't think I've ever moved

2318
01:51:00,772 --> 01:51:04,053
Speaker 23: as fast in my life, and I screamed out of

2319
01:51:04,133 --> 01:51:07,452
Speaker 23: that bathroom, out of the house onto the front deck

2320
01:51:07,973 --> 01:51:12,572
Speaker 23: that out over all of Wellington, screaming this rats and

2321
01:51:12,692 --> 01:51:17,293
Speaker 23: the reds to my two male flatmates sitting there having

2322
01:51:17,333 --> 01:51:19,612
Speaker 23: it there looking at me stark naked.

2323
01:51:21,572 --> 01:51:24,972
Speaker 2: That is a horror show. Not you naked, the rats.

2324
01:51:26,612 --> 01:51:28,652
Speaker 8: Well, I don't know, maybe maybe both.

2325
01:51:28,812 --> 01:51:32,652
Speaker 23: But I also recall after the christ Church airport that

2326
01:51:32,652 --> 01:51:35,532
Speaker 23: I was down on a business trip and I was

2327
01:51:35,612 --> 01:51:39,532
Speaker 23: shown photos of the size of the rats and the

2328
01:51:39,612 --> 01:51:44,333
Speaker 23: CBD after, you know, because so much was left isolated

2329
01:51:44,452 --> 01:51:46,732
Speaker 23: and bakeries and all that with the food, and they

2330
01:51:46,893 --> 01:51:48,092
Speaker 23: were like small docks.

2331
01:51:48,652 --> 01:51:50,812
Speaker 3: I forgot about that. Actually, the rats did take over

2332
01:51:50,933 --> 01:51:53,133
Speaker 3: christ Church from there. That was a hard fought battle.

2333
01:51:53,293 --> 01:51:55,333
Speaker 2: So Marie, are you willing to are you? Are you

2334
01:51:55,692 --> 01:51:59,452
Speaker 2: open to this? This plan from Gregory Moray, the Deputy

2335
01:51:59,572 --> 01:52:03,572
Speaker 2: mayor of Paris, for a truce between human rights, continue.

2336
01:52:03,173 --> 01:52:03,612
Speaker 6: The war.

2337
01:52:05,732 --> 01:52:10,172
Speaker 3: With you, Matt, kill them anything, everybody, just get serious

2338
01:52:10,213 --> 01:52:10,532
Speaker 3: about this.

2339
01:52:10,973 --> 01:52:11,372
Speaker 5: Thank you this.

2340
01:52:11,572 --> 01:52:13,892
Speaker 2: I got rats like so today we've rats coming up

2341
01:52:13,893 --> 01:52:15,612
Speaker 2: the toilet and that. But I think rats in the

2342
01:52:15,692 --> 01:52:17,892
Speaker 2: bath is worth three rats in the bath with you.

2343
01:52:18,853 --> 01:52:21,412
Speaker 3: Burn it all down, just just board up the house,

2344
01:52:22,053 --> 01:52:22,333
Speaker 3: leave it.

2345
01:52:22,572 --> 01:52:27,253
Speaker 2: There's some kind of description of hell. Mike well the show.

2346
01:52:28,253 --> 01:52:30,053
Speaker 2: Hey right, how are you?

2347
01:52:30,532 --> 01:52:31,452
Speaker 19: Hey? Good?

2348
01:52:31,532 --> 01:52:31,732
Speaker 5: Good?

2349
01:52:32,093 --> 01:52:34,772
Speaker 21: Hey, I lived in the bush for fourteen years.

2350
01:52:38,412 --> 01:52:40,253
Speaker 3: Oh my, sounds like you're still living in the bush.

2351
01:52:40,293 --> 01:52:40,492
Speaker 12: Yeah.

2352
01:52:40,532 --> 01:52:40,692
Speaker 24: Yeah.

2353
01:52:40,732 --> 01:52:43,173
Speaker 3: Phone lines just came out there, is it?

2354
01:52:43,893 --> 01:52:44,093
Speaker 10: Yeah?

2355
01:52:44,133 --> 01:52:45,293
Speaker 3: You just move around for us.

2356
01:52:46,732 --> 01:52:48,173
Speaker 2: Good, that's better, I think.

2357
01:52:49,213 --> 01:52:50,133
Speaker 24: Yeah, okay, Yeah.

2358
01:52:50,133 --> 01:52:52,532
Speaker 19: There's no such thing as a dirty rat, just like

2359
01:52:52,652 --> 01:52:55,732
Speaker 19: there's no such thing as a dirty cockroach. Most dirtiest

2360
01:52:55,772 --> 01:52:58,932
Speaker 19: animal on this planet is a human being. We've got more, big,

2361
01:52:59,053 --> 01:53:00,532
Speaker 19: cheerier than any other animal.

2362
01:53:01,572 --> 01:53:01,772
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2363
01:53:01,812 --> 01:53:03,253
Speaker 3: I can't just agree with that more.

2364
01:53:03,333 --> 01:53:03,812
Speaker 21: The other thing.

2365
01:53:04,093 --> 01:53:06,652
Speaker 19: The other thing is you said there's no owls in

2366
01:53:06,772 --> 01:53:07,333
Speaker 19: this country.

2367
01:53:07,612 --> 01:53:10,572
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard of a yeah, yep, yep. Mett

2368
01:53:10,652 --> 01:53:12,293
Speaker 3: did mention that yep.

2369
01:53:15,053 --> 01:53:17,612
Speaker 2: Rhythm can r take down a rat as able to

2370
01:53:17,692 --> 01:53:18,572
Speaker 2: take a take out.

2371
01:53:18,492 --> 01:53:20,772
Speaker 19: A rat, It can take down the baby ones that

2372
01:53:20,893 --> 01:53:23,133
Speaker 19: can't take the rats are the ones that are breathe

2373
01:53:23,173 --> 01:53:25,093
Speaker 19: with the water that can take down the baby ones

2374
01:53:25,133 --> 01:53:27,093
Speaker 19: that do it around my place every night, or even

2375
01:53:27,213 --> 01:53:29,052
Speaker 19: go squeak and they go fishing the tree.

2376
01:53:33,652 --> 01:53:35,412
Speaker 2: If we take them out before they get as big

2377
01:53:35,452 --> 01:53:38,213
Speaker 2: as cats, then then we've got a fighting chance on.

2378
01:53:38,253 --> 01:53:41,852
Speaker 19: The sty didn't you start taking out the food for

2379
01:53:41,973 --> 01:53:45,253
Speaker 19: the more porks. Brother, So what we've got no food

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Speaker 19: for the more porks? What you're saying no lizards anymore

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Speaker 19: because they're talking out those as I'm saying, the human

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Speaker 19: beings on this plant are the other ones that shouldn't

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Speaker 19: be here or there?

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Speaker 2: You go, Well, I mean, but all my favorite people

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Speaker 2: are humans. So I don't want I don't I don't

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Speaker 2: want no humans. Yeah, all my favorite people are humans.

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Speaker 3: We all know humans are filthy, but they're not going

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Speaker 3: to chase you down on London Street.

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Speaker 2: As we said before. As we said before, new evidence

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Speaker 2: suggesced that the rats have unfairly been blamed for the

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Speaker 2: bubonic prey and it was actually disgusting humans with filthy

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Speaker 2: clothes and license fleas, and that was what was actually

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Speaker 2: spreading the bubonic plague. Yeah, and not actually the rats.

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Speaker 3: But plague aside. You know, there's plenty of blame rats for.

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Speaker 2: Lenny, welcome the show.

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Speaker 10: How you doing. I thought i'd share a couple of things.

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Speaker 10: I've got an old if your car's down south, and

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Speaker 10: one of them I said to my kids, I'd had

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Speaker 10: a few rats, and a few years prior to that

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Speaker 10: said took the kids down there to the farm and

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Speaker 10: thought we'll take the car out. I said, absolutely, no rats,

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Speaker 10: and it's all good, it's all clear. Plenty of rat

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01:54:46,253 --> 01:54:48,573
Speaker 10: boys and around jumping up. We drove down and just

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01:54:48,613 --> 01:54:51,893
Speaker 10: got them towards past Moscow and Duneda, and all of

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Speaker 10: a sudden, my daughter screamed and we just didn't know

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01:54:54,853 --> 01:54:56,693
Speaker 10: what had happened because the little two door cars, so

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Speaker 10: there's no way the hood or had opened. And my

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01:54:59,253 --> 01:55:02,413
Speaker 10: son turned around and said, it's something rat and it

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Speaker 10: had come up through the boot and fallen out. It

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Speaker 10: didn't never roof flying, and it's an old car and

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Speaker 10: it it was half dead, but it fell out straight

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Speaker 10: onto my daughter. So yeah, I managed to get off

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Speaker 10: the motorway very quickly, pulled out the phone and I said,

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Speaker 10: can you just hold one minute. I want to take

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Speaker 10: a photo of it, but I was panicking so much

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Speaker 10: it didn't work. But yeah, we named it Bob, that

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Speaker 10: forget over her coma.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good rat Bob. That's a great story.

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01:55:29,533 --> 01:55:31,373
Speaker 2: I mean it's going to affect you with rats start

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Speaker 2: falling out of the ceiling of the car going forward.

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Speaker 3: That'll do it, right. It is seven minutes to four

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Speaker 3: beg very shortly, the.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between.

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Speaker 6: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk z'd be.

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Speaker 3: News Talks zed be it is five to four.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think after hundreds and hundreds of texts and

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01:55:54,893 --> 01:55:57,533
Speaker 2: so many great stories about rats, I think we can

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Speaker 2: safely say New Zealanders aren't willing to lay down arms

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Speaker 2: the gates the rats just yet.

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Speaker 21: Are we?

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Speaker 2: No, very very little support for Deputy Mayor of Paris

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Speaker 2: Griggy Morrows plans to just let and let live with

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Speaker 2: with the rats. Death to Rats, Yeah, death Rats. Hey,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for listening to the show. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for all your calls and text The pod will

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Speaker 2: be out soon if you missed anything. The Powerful Here

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Speaker 2: The Dupe of c Ellen is up next. But right now, Tyler,

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Speaker 2: my good friend, why am I playing.

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Speaker 3: This June Oh the Doobie Brothers. Listen to the music

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Speaker 3: this because we had a great chat about the beloved

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Speaker 3: part O a brewing company bar it may have to

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01:56:39,853 --> 01:56:42,852
Speaker 3: hang up its boots because they had some noise complaints.

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Speaker 3: Great tune and by the way, someone did just send through.

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Speaker 3: There is a petition running right now on change dot org.

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Speaker 3: So just to save part O a Brewing, protect live

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Speaker 3: music on the coast. So far it's got one thy

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Speaker 3: seven hundred signatures, so yeah, good luck to that pub.

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Speaker 2: Support them great people all right until tomorrow afternoon, wherever

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Speaker 2: you are, what have you done? And give them a

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Speaker 2: taste of Kiwi from us? All right? Then you seem

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Speaker 2: busy

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