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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, Unique Homes,

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Speaker 1: Uniquely for you on the.

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Speaker 2: Huddle of Us is Evening, Clear Delord journalists and Jack Taime,

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Speaker 2: host of Q and A and Saturday mornings on News Talks,

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Speaker 2: there be Hello you.

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Speaker 3: Too, Hollo, you too, Claire.

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Speaker 2: Do you also find this odd to be threatening Israel

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Speaker 2: with the state of Palestine?

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Speaker 3: It is odd, and I honestly think care Starmer is

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Speaker 3: probably acting or talking mostly because of pressure from as

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Speaker 3: many unhappy backbenches rather than any particular point of anti

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Speaker 3: stated principle. He's got huge problems domestically with his caucus,

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Speaker 3: the forced back downs on things such as the welfare reforms,

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Speaker 3: and now there is renewed pressure from the very large

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Speaker 3: left faction that he has regards it. So. Yes, it

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Speaker 3: is shocking that we see babies, children, ordinary men and

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Speaker 3: women like us who are hungry, some of starving, and

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Speaker 3: yet there are these conditional threats. There's six weeks to

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Speaker 3: go or so until the General Assembly May, and in

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Speaker 3: that time more have more destruction, more death will be wrecked,

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Speaker 3: and it is hard to see where it's going to

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Speaker 3: be interrupted and stopped easily. Yeah, Letna who is getting

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Speaker 3: away with.

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Speaker 2: It all the time, and as angry as Ntnya, as

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Speaker 2: angry as it's made Netna, who sound Jack, I hardly

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Speaker 2: think he's going to do anything because this.

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Speaker 4: Is he well, I mean, it's my view that Netnya,

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Speaker 4: who's been acting in his own self interest basically since

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Speaker 4: October seven. I mean, and it was maybe the single

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Speaker 4: greatest security failure, certainly of most recent decades, for a

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Speaker 4: state which prides itself on security more than perhaps any

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Speaker 4: other in the world, when October seventh happened. And yet

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Speaker 4: you know, I think there can be very little moral justification,

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Speaker 4: he knows, strategic justification whatsoever for continuing the war as

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Speaker 4: long as they have, and certainly to the extent of

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Speaker 4: the kind of horror that we've seen in the last

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Speaker 4: few weeks. I mean, you know, I don't think there

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Speaker 4: can be many right thinking people in the world who

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Speaker 4: have seen the images out of Gaza in the last

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Speaker 4: few weeks who haven't been utterly appalled. And you know,

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Speaker 4: it's interesting, clear raise is a good point. I think

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Speaker 4: it's really interesting watching, you know, lots of Western countries

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Speaker 4: try and respond to this, because I think there are

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Speaker 4: kind of two forces at play. The first is that

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Speaker 4: over the last were approaching two years, very little international

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Speaker 4: pressure seems to have had an effect on Israel's actions.

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Speaker 4: And obviously the US is more or less supported than

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Speaker 4: right at the beginning of this war and have continued

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Speaker 4: to ship them arms and all that kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: But number two, I think politicians like Kia Starma are

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Speaker 4: increasingly concerned about the domestic impact of the relative lack

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Speaker 4: of response up until this point, and they're looking at

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Speaker 4: their constituents, They're looking at their voss who say, hang on,

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Speaker 4: why isn't my government standing up more forcefully and that's

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Speaker 4: why he's acting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably bad. Now, Claire is YouTube social media?

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Speaker 3: Look, I don't know. I guess it is sort of.

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Speaker 3: But if your point is how do you stop children

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Speaker 3: from seeing it? I'm not sure. Because they have older brothers, sisters.

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Speaker 3: For example, I can turn on the television and access

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Speaker 3: YouTube for easily. Have you stopped children doing that? And

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Speaker 3: if very easily and without any effort able to access pornography?

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Speaker 3: The algorithm of whoever is mostly using YouTube and their

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Speaker 3: home has.

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Speaker 4: Brought that in.

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Speaker 3: So I think there is a heck of a pressure

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Speaker 3: now needed to be put on parents to know what

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Speaker 3: their kids are doing, to control what they themselves on

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Speaker 3: easily accessible devices.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Actually I want Jack, I want your take

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Speaker 2: on it. We'll get it after the break.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, the ones

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Speaker 2: Results back with the huddle, clear the law and Jack

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Speaker 2: Tame Jack. I'm probably it is up to the parents

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Speaker 2: day because you can watch YouTube without an account, so

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Speaker 2: you can't the kids.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can, although you can imagine there might be

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Speaker 4: some sort of policy solution in which they try and

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Speaker 4: find a middle ground. Ultimately, obviously YouTube's kicking up a

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Speaker 4: bit of a fuss over this, whereby they say, okay,

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Speaker 4: maybe if you're under sixteen you can access verified shows.

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Speaker 4: We're not just going to give you random videos that

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Speaker 4: random YouTube users have posted online. But I think what's

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Speaker 4: extraordinary is if you step back a little bit, the

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Speaker 4: extent to which all of these so called social media platforms,

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Speaker 4: and I'll include YouTube, and it's just for the sake

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Speaker 4: of argument, So YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok are all just

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Speaker 4: becoming versions of each other. They are all basically just

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Speaker 4: platforms where you watch videos. The algorithms try and work

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Speaker 4: out what you like and keep you watching as long

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Speaker 4: as possible, and then feed you another video, and feed

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Speaker 4: you another video. It used to be that social media

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Speaker 4: gave you posts from your friends. Well, the vast majority

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Speaker 4: of stuff that we all see on social media these

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Speaker 4: days hasn't actually come from our friends. It's just videos

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Speaker 4: posted by whomever that are design to keep us keep

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Speaker 4: using it. I mean, yeah, yeah, I do. I find

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Speaker 4: it as addictive as anyone else. Absolutely, what do you

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Speaker 4: find it?

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Speaker 2: What are you looking at?

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Speaker 4: I'm just I'm whatever slop is fed up to me.

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Speaker 4: And I mean, so I love watching football videos, for example,

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Speaker 4: and so I just get like sensational Leo Messi goals

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Speaker 4: after sensational Leo Messi goals and updates about football transfer.

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Speaker 4: Now that might not be everyone's cup of tea, but

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Speaker 4: the algorithms worked out that I linger on those images

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Speaker 4: for longer than I do other things. But the point

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Speaker 4: is that when we started using this stuff, like I

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Speaker 4: would follow Heather, so I would get updates when here

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Speaker 4: the post is them. Heather might follow my mum and

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Speaker 4: so you get updates from my mum. But these days,

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Speaker 4: the vast majority of stuff that we all see on

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Speaker 4: these platforms' is just videos posted by whomever that's designed

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Speaker 4: to keep us watching for longer, which is a massive change.

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Speaker 4: So social media isn't actually social anymore. It's just me media.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very fair point.

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Speaker 3: And it's quite antisocial really, because you do get preoccupied.

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Speaker 3: A fee feeds into your appetite. It is like an

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Speaker 3: insatiable hunger for it. You mentioned your love of football

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Speaker 3: football that you said, Jack, I think at the moment

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Speaker 3: my one keeps coming up that we do not care

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Speaker 3: club set up by a woman who does little videos

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Speaker 3: about things that perimenopausal, menopausal post menopausal I cannot care

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Speaker 3: about anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yes, actually I can think of it when I do

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Speaker 2: occasionally log onto Instagram, which is very rare nowadays. I

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Speaker 2: get said ones about parents, just like having a winge

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Speaker 2: about terrorist terrorist children.

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Speaker 4: So I Instagram knew my wife was pregnant before she did.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that'll probably be about right, because she'll be doing

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Speaker 2: weird things that they'll be like she's nesting. Hey, Claire,

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Speaker 2: do you watch Neple?

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Speaker 3: I actually really like watching it live. I think it

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Speaker 3: is actually a harder watch on television of the well,

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Speaker 3: it's not so much that it's just that beyond court play,

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Speaker 3: it's quite hard to go up areal as you can

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Speaker 3: for some other sports, and unlike, for example, tennis, which

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Speaker 3: I absolutely love watching on television, tennis is just two

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Speaker 3: players back and forth. With rugby, you know you can,

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Speaker 3: see what's happening on the field. It's quite hard on

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Speaker 3: a smaller network course, But that wasn't justify not trying

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Speaker 3: to build nets ball up. Netball has got a big

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Speaker 3: following at the moment, it's in a real chicken and

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Speaker 3: the egg kind of situation. But I do hope to

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Speaker 3: deal with TV and Z. It means that the cross

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Speaker 3: fertilization that TVs he does, for example seven Sharps is

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Speaker 3: basically promotes an awful lot of other TVNZAD product They

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Speaker 3: can they can harness all of that and hopefully, as

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Speaker 3: the Breakers did, was it the black Bolls or who

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Speaker 3: came in and sort of took and find them up

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Speaker 3: there up stepped up with money, hopefully they may sign

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Speaker 3: a savior who will get it in there with the

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Speaker 3: sponsorship and they can at least give it a really

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Speaker 3: good go.

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Speaker 4: I think it's totally worthwhile. What do you reckon Whether

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Speaker 4: I'll go real fast? Yeah, I'll go real fast. I

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Speaker 4: think I really hope that this works out well. It's

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Speaker 4: great to see netbill are free to air. I do

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Speaker 4: think there are lots of causes behind netball's problems, but

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Speaker 4: I do think fundamentally it's a bit of a cautionary

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Speaker 4: tale in that as the world started turning to Instagram

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Speaker 4: and Netflix and YouTube the entertainment, netball went behind a paywall.

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Speaker 4: And for big sports that might be okay, but I

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Speaker 4: think for what are relatively minority sport, at least in

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Speaker 4: a global context, I think putting up any barriers to

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Speaker 4: having eyeballs watching your game is a really dangerous move.

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Speaker 4: And I wonder if a big part of their problems

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Speaker 4: they're experiencing today because of that decision a decade or

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Speaker 2: Very interesting, Hey guys, thank you, really appreciate you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: some very food for thought for me to really try

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Speaker 2: and nut out why I don't like the netball.

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