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Speaker 1: from News Talks at b.

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Speaker 2: Night.

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Speaker 1: Your weekend off the right way Saturday Morning with jackdam

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Speaker 1: News Talks at bred.

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Speaker 3: In A Good morning new Zella. Welcome to news Dog

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Speaker 3: z V. Jack Tame with you through to midday today.

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Speaker 3: I am coming to you live from the coolest little capital.

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Speaker 3: I'm in Wellington this weekend with the in laws as

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Speaker 3: we celebrate the Iranian New Year. Nor Ruse. So, I

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Speaker 3: caught an uber into the studio this morning, and I'll

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Speaker 3: tell you what. Talk about doing it tough, the search

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Speaker 3: hard that uber is going to be charging because of

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Speaker 3: the petrol prices hasn't yet come into effect. My goodness,

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Speaker 3: I just cannot understand how it's economic for so many

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Speaker 3: people who rely on fuel prices to make a living

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Speaker 3: used talk to he'd be We've got your film picture

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Speaker 3: this week, including two starring apparently Dishy leading men Ryan

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Speaker 3: Gosling Alexander Sasgard both have brand new films out, so

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Speaker 3: I'm going to give you the details on those. And

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Speaker 3: I've got to be honest. I was a little bit

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Speaker 3: panicked when our cook sent through her recipe for this weekend.

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Speaker 3: This is the one that we share with you every weekend.

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Speaker 3: Just before the Santa clock news, she sent through what

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Speaker 3: I thought was an apple and kale burger and I

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Speaker 3: then I took a closer look. It's a pork apple

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Speaker 3: forward to sharing that with you and after ten o'clock

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Speaker 3: this morning, this is a real treat for us. All

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Speaker 3: of that pork apple kale burger isn't enough to wheat

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Speaker 3: your appetite. Key we legend Dame Linley Dodd is going

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Speaker 3: to be with us right after the ten o'clock news.

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Speaker 3: She was acknowledged this week at the New Zealander of

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Speaker 3: Dame Linley Dodd with us after the ten o'clock news.

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Speaker 3: Right now, it's nine minutes past nine, Jack dam This

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Speaker 3: is the age of the individual, right, It's the age

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Speaker 3: of the self. It's generation Me Me, Me, Me Me,

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Speaker 3: an age in which each of us is encouraged by

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Speaker 3: a heady mix of technological trends and cultural pressures to

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Speaker 3: think of ourselves as unique and special, to treat ourselves

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Speaker 3: as a brand. And in a world where every person

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Speaker 3: slash brand is competing with everyone else, fame and celebrity

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Speaker 3: are often used as a bit of a proxy. It

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Speaker 3: is a bit of a measure of status. It's as

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Speaker 3: though Banks he saw it coming when he and let's

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Speaker 3: he's a he. Banks, he's a he. When he first

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Speaker 3: started making his subversive street art in the nineteen nineties,

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Speaker 3: he decided to make it anonymously. Now I can't say

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Speaker 3: selling now for tens of millions of dollars. At some point,

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Speaker 3: Banks he chose something much greater. In assuing the fame

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Speaker 3: one of the defining phenomena of the modern age. It's

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Speaker 3: of investigative journalism, but Reuter's published an exhaustive investigation this week,

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Speaker 3: eight thousand words, which many believe has proved Banksy's identity

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Speaker 3: It's probably not very cool to say that these days.

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Speaker 3: pokes fun at powerful people and powerful institutions. But among

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Speaker 3: that actually they had just walked by an opportunity to

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Speaker 3: moments of national pride, a woman from Taranaki realized they

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Speaker 3: them that day. Perhaps an even better example of Banksy

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Speaker 3: the audience of stunned auction goers. So who's the real Banksy? Well,

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Speaker 3: if you really want to know, it doesn't take much

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Speaker 3: to bring up the Reuter's investigation. But unless Banks is

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Speaker 3: I for one, honestly just prefer not to know. After all,

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Speaker 3: what's more interesting a fifty something year old bloke from Bristol,

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Speaker 3: next war. It's funny a we fetishize celebrity, we idolize fame,

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Speaker 3: but choosing to stay anonymous is maybe Banks's single greatest work.

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Speaker 3: Jack Team ninety two. Ninety two is our text number.

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Speaker 3: email me as well if you prefer Jacket Newstalks headb

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Speaker 3: heartbreak for the chief say my gosh, that runaway try.

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Speaker 3: I mean heartbreak for the Chiefs, devastation for the Highlanders.

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Speaker 3: Last night, Our Sporto will be in with his analysis

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Speaker 3: of what those results last night mean. Very shortly. Kevinmyn

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Speaker 3: Right now, it's fourteen minutes past nine and it's Saturday morning.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jack Tame. This is news Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend than with

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your feedback. Jack being anonymous

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Speaker 3: allows Banksy to provide political commentary through his art that

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Speaker 3: many of us believe that our political representatives are too

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Speaker 3: afraid to say. Phil has sent me a note to

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Speaker 3: say Jack, I not only walked past the stall selling

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Speaker 3: Banksy paintings in New York, but I also berated the

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Speaker 3: Off Phil Ah, that's I mean, if that's truefil that

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Speaker 3: is devastating. That is devastating because the thing was it

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Speaker 3: ultimately authenticate them on once you'd purchase them. But of course,

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Speaker 3: you know, you see those images everywhere, don't you. Replicated

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Speaker 3: You don't think, oh, this could be the real thing,

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Speaker 3: which is the perfect example of him challenging what we value.

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Speaker 3: Why is a bootleg version of a Banksy print worth

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Speaker 3: so much less than the real deal? Jack. Everyone also

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Speaker 3: wanted to know who the Stig from top Gear was

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Speaker 3: actually a great That was a great moment. There are

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Speaker 3: thinking about it, you have none of them. I think

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Speaker 3: American author Thomas Pinchin. Is it that Italian author as well?

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Speaker 3: Is it? Is it Elaine or Alan or Ferranti? Daft

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Speaker 3: punk whom? I love the French musicians. I mean we

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Speaker 3: dot co dot nz is the email address. Kevin Milne

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Speaker 4: Kyoto Jack, welcome to Wellington.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Do you think if you were do you think, Kevin,

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Speaker 3: if you'd been in New York walking past the stall

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Speaker 4: And I admire Pheel for coming out so honestly, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So do I. I and my field were coming out

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Speaker 3: honestly and ful phil having the temerity to break the

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Speaker 4: I could see myself doing that too. As a matter

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Speaker 6: Did you go near it?

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Speaker 3: No? No, I didn't see it. No, No, I didn't

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Speaker 3: being one hundred percent honest, shamefully, I think I would

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Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I'm going to buy all of these,

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Speaker 3: But no, sadly that wasn't the case. But Kevin, you

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Speaker 4: This morning, Yeah, it was my birthday during the week, Jack,

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Speaker 4: nothing special, seventy seven, but very much on my mind

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Speaker 4: was my father. My birthday has also the anniversary of him,

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Speaker 4: my dad's death. He died suddenly on my fifteenth birthday.

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Speaker 4: Something came to mind this birthday. I knew my father

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Speaker 4: over four times that sixty years, yet he remains so close.

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Speaker 4: What a phenomenal bond there usually is between kids and

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Speaker 3: Hi, Jack, there is a real push towards individuality and

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Speaker 9: Honoring James Slipper two hundred and third Super Rugby match,

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Speaker 9: the old Crusaders prop amazing how tight forwards Jack seem

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Speaker 9: Not everybody's cup of tea when it comes to cricket,

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Speaker 9: In the combat sporting world. Chuck Norris and and in Hollywood.

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Speaker 9: I don't know how that guy never wont to Oscar.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, one of the great dust gatherers of all time

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Speaker 10: We may not have.

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Speaker 3: Very good, All right, well there's a there's a tribute

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Speaker 3: one of those things? It's an antique.

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Speaker 9: The problem is that there's an equilibrium. There's a tipping

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Speaker 5: On an.

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Speaker 3: Using your own Yeah right, I.

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Speaker 9: Think I got to that tipping point quite early.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh gosh, so good. Hey, thank you sir, we'll

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Speaker 3: catching e very soon now. Sporto Andrew said, well, before

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Speaker 3: ten o'clock we're in the kitchen looking at what makes

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Speaker 3: a good burger this morning? What are the qualities that

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Speaker 3: typify a truly excellent burger plus a delicious pork apple

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Speaker 3: kale burger recipe that we will share very shortly. Next

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Speaker 3: up though your film picks for this weekend. It is

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Speaker 3: twenty four minutes to ten, Fee fine, that's snile Horn

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Speaker 3: and you track from the former one direction Irishman. That's

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Speaker 3: called dinner Party. Get a Jack. I watched the Louis

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Speaker 3: Theroux documentary this week. Those idiots are going to end

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Speaker 3: up eventually lonely old men with absolutely nothing, says deb Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I have an original nineteen seventies total Jim Great Machine

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Speaker 3: Jim As I just to be totally clear, I would

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Speaker 3: send us through a photograph. Jackiewstorks hedb dot co dot

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Speaker 3: nz is my email address. Twenty one minutes to ten.

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Speaker 3: Time to get your film picks for this weekend. And

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Speaker 3: Francesca Rudkin is here. Good morning, Good morning, right, a

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Speaker 3: couple of much hyped films for us this morning, so

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Speaker 3: very much looking forty thoughts on it. Let's start off

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Speaker 3: with a listen to the film starring the one and

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Speaker 3: Only Ryan Gosling. This is Project Hail Mary. Please state

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Speaker 3: to your name, brianan Grace. Please walk up from a coma.

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Speaker 5: I have several light years from my apartment. And I'm

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Speaker 5: not an astronaut.

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Speaker 2: I'm not an astronaut. I'm not an astronaut.

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Speaker 11: If you don't go, you die of us.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's project tell me or tell us about it.

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Speaker 12: This film is quite lovely, which is probably an unusual

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Speaker 12: word to describe a sci fi film. I didn't sort

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Speaker 12: of think it.

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Speaker 3: Would be lovely.

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Speaker 12: It is a script written by Drew Goddard. It's based

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Speaker 12: on a book by Andy where these two were behind

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Speaker 12: the film The Martian, and this is an adaptation of

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Speaker 12: another weird book. It's directed by Phil Lord and Christopher Miller,

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Speaker 12: who are well known for films like Cloud with a

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Speaker 12: Chance of Cloud with the Chance of meat Balls and

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Speaker 12: the lego movie So Cloudy.

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Speaker 5: I love these films.

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Speaker 12: They're very joyful filmmakers. They try to sort of you know,

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Speaker 12: they put a lot of humor into their films. There

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Speaker 12: is a lot of action in this film as well.

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Speaker 12: There's moments of jeopardy, but there's also a lot of

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Speaker 12: moments of contemplation and sort of considering what is your

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Speaker 12: why or you're who in the world might make you

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Speaker 12: an incredibly brave person that would enable you to save

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Speaker 12: the world. So Ryan plays a former middle school science teacher.

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Speaker 12: He wakes up at the beginning of this film on

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Speaker 12: a spaceship. He's got a bit of about of amnesia.

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Speaker 12: He is the only survivor. He's not sure what he's

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Speaker 12: doing there, and his memory slowly comes back to him

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Speaker 12: and we have these sort of flashbacks and we see

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Speaker 12: the life that he was leading before he ended up

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Speaker 12: on this ship. He plays his character Ryland Grace, and

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Speaker 12: he's a molecular biologist turned school teacher because his career

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Speaker 12: he came up with a few ideas yet that other

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Speaker 12: people didn't you kin'd of think were reasonable and rational. Anyway,

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Speaker 12: what's basically happening is the Sun is dying. It's slowly

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Speaker 12: being devoured by this tiny extraterrestrial organism and basically the

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Speaker 12: Earth is going to call. The crops are going to fail.

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Speaker 12: There'll be a economic collapse as well. People will starve

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Speaker 12: over the next thirty years. And so Sandra Hulla, who

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Speaker 12: stars as sort of this person who's responsible for pulling

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Speaker 12: all sorts of people from all around the world to

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Speaker 12: try and solve this problem, and she pulls in Grace

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Speaker 12: and he is one of the people that is trying

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Speaker 12: to help solve it, and he does come up with

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Speaker 12: a few good ideas and finds some stuff.

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Speaker 3: On this ship.

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Speaker 12: He is alone, but he also encounters another being which

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Speaker 12: is a spider like rock alien, and they learn to

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Speaker 12: communicate with each other and become friends, and together they

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Speaker 12: go about trying to save their planets. Ryan's character is goofy.

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Speaker 12: He's quite messy, a bit clumsy. He sort of has

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Speaker 12: to use Maguiver like skills in order to try and

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Speaker 12: survive on the spaceship. It is actually a very old

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Speaker 12: fashioned kind of blockbuster. It's a great one for the

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Speaker 12: whole family, I think, not the little kids, your tweens

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Speaker 12: and your teens and things. It's sort of an adventure

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Speaker 12: that you can all go on together. Doesn't all work,

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Speaker 12: but as I said, actually quite lovely, entertaining, quite long,

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Speaker 12: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: But all good. Yeah, they're good. So that's Project Hail

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Speaker 3: Mary starring Ryan Goslin. Another film, another heart Throbbed. This

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Speaker 3: one stars Alexander scars Guard. It's Hellian.

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Speaker 11: What am I going to do with you whatever you want,

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Speaker 11: get your cash. I don't think it's any of your business,

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Speaker 11: are we not? How do you get a man like that?

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Speaker 5: I have an aptitude for devotion.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's pinion, tell us about it.

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Speaker 12: So this is a love story with the dark comedic

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Speaker 12: edge to it. We have this character Colin. He's a

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Speaker 12: very timid man.

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Speaker 3: He performs in.

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Speaker 12: A barbershop quartet with his father at the local pub

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Speaker 12: and then one night he meets this very tall, confident,

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Speaker 12: dashing man played by Alexander Starsguard and that he initiates.

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Speaker 12: Scarsguard's character initiates a relationship with Colin Colin where he

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Speaker 12: is his submissive. So Colin kind of is very that

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Speaker 12: he's got this incredibly attractive boyfriend, his first ever boyfriend,

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Speaker 12: his first ever relationship. But he slowly works out how

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Speaker 12: it's supposed to work. So he goes to his home,

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Speaker 12: he cooks, he cleans, he seats on the floor. He

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Speaker 12: is very much treated as submissive, and it look it

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Speaker 12: is it is unusual to get your head around. It's

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Speaker 12: quite disrespectful. It's very much a learning experience for Colin.

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Speaker 12: And we know it's not sustainable, and we know it's

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Speaker 12: not healthy, but it is this beautiful opportunity for Colin

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Speaker 12: to work out who he is and what he wants

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Speaker 12: from life and the kind of relationship he wants in things.

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Speaker 12: He can't ride Pillion forever. He's got to sort of

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Speaker 12: step out on his own, and that's what this debut

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Speaker 12: feature from Harry Lyton is all about. It's very tender,

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Speaker 12: it's darkly funny. As I mentioned, it's awkward at times.

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Speaker 12: It's quite gratuitous, so you know, probably this is more

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Speaker 12: for the discerning film goer, but some great performances in here.

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Speaker 3: Is different.

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Speaker 12: No, this is not for the whole family at all,

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Speaker 12: but it is really love to see different love stories

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Speaker 12: on screen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I say this a very good point. Okay. Cool.

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Speaker 3: So that's Pillion that's in cinemas at the moment. Project

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Speaker 3: Hail Mary is also showing at the movies. All the

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Speaker 3: details for both of those films will be up on

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Speaker 3: the News Talks Z'B website.

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Speaker 1: Saturday morning, with Jack dam keeping the conversation going through

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Speaker 1: the weekend.

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Speaker 3: News Talks EDB thirteen minutes to ten on News talks 'B.

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Speaker 3: After ten o'clock this morning, we've got our screen time

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Speaker 3: segment where we recommend shows watching or streaming from the

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Speaker 3: comfort of your home, and we're going to tell you

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Speaker 3: about Scar Petter, which is streaming on Prime Video and

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Speaker 3: sounds so good. So it's got Nicole Kidman, Simon Baker,

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Speaker 3: Jamie Lee Curtis our screen time. Exit's going to be

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Speaker 3: in with a bit more detail after ten this morning,

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Speaker 3: but just know that it involves a serial killer and

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Speaker 3: an unnerving a surgeon with skilled hands and an unnerving

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Speaker 3: eye who tries to get to the bottom of a

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Speaker 3: profound mystery and honestly looks really good. So we'll you

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Speaker 3: give you all the details on that very shortly. Right now, though,

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Speaker 3: it is time to catch up with our cook, Nick,

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Speaker 3: who's in the kitchen for us this morning. Killed her Yeah,

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Speaker 3: kioda Jack. I was a bit panicked when you sent

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Speaker 3: through your recipe this morning and you said you wanted

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Speaker 3: to talk burgers, and I sped down to the bottom

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Speaker 3: and said, oh, what's like you going to make for

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Speaker 3: us this morning? Out there? An apple and kale burger?

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Speaker 3: So I don't know about that. I'm just not sure

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Speaker 3: you're going to have the spot. Yeah, look, I'm an

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Speaker 3: apple fine kale, I guess and then I was like,

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Speaker 3: but I feel like you need a bit of protein

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Speaker 3: in there.

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Speaker 13: Pork apple and kale burger cut a.

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Speaker 3: Very very very very important addition, you know. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 3: as soon as I realized that the error of my

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Speaker 3: ways I was, I was very pleased. Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Hey, they're a great little combination. And the reason I'm

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Speaker 13: talking burgers this week is there's a sort of nationwide

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Speaker 13: campaign at the moment called Burger Nation. You can check

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Speaker 13: it out and it's just a bit of fun really

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Speaker 13: for us to us eat burger eaters to vote for

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Speaker 13: our best burger. And you can easily go online and

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Speaker 13: find out you're in Wellington. So I suggest you get

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Speaker 13: along and find somewhere in Wellington where you can get

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Speaker 13: yourself a really decent burger. And there are many of them.

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Speaker 13: I love a burger. I think they're a bit like

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Speaker 13: a taco in fact, that you know, in the way

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Speaker 13: that they're sort of a pretty balanced meal. You've got

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Speaker 13: your carbohydrates, you're a lovely bit of protein stuck in there,

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Speaker 13: and it's a really good excuse to get lots of

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Speaker 13: edges in there. So I love them. I absolutely love them.

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Speaker 13: And this one pork apple and kale. It came about

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Speaker 13: because I had a lot of kale in my garden

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Speaker 13: while I was desperate to try and think of different

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Speaker 13: ways to use it a while ago. And this is great.

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Speaker 13: We roast up the kale, So grab some kale. The

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Speaker 13: business of it just goes so beautifully with the sweet

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Speaker 13: of the apple and the pork, and we just massage

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Speaker 13: that kale turn an ovento one hundred and seventy degrees.

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Speaker 13: Put some oil on a tray and get that kind

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Speaker 13: of massage around your kale and just bake it for

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Speaker 13: fifteen to twenty minutes and then sprinkle it with salt.

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Speaker 13: And it's amazing. Even it's like a kale chip.

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Speaker 3: It's great.

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Speaker 13: It should be crispy as so it's a beautiful texture

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Speaker 13: in the burger as well. So you can set those

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Speaker 13: aside and those are done. Here's a recipe for making

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Speaker 13: two beautiful big pork mints patties. So two hundred and

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Speaker 13: fifty grams of port mintce some bread crumbs. I use

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Speaker 13: half a gram half a cup of fresh bread crumbs,

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Speaker 13: and I soak those in a splash of milk just

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Speaker 13: until the bread crumbs have kind of absorbed that milk.

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Speaker 13: This saves you using an egg. I don't like an

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Speaker 13: egg and a meat ball or anything, or a burger patty,

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Speaker 13: because what ends up happening is it overcooks and it

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Speaker 13: just becomes a bit nasty and makes them really sort

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Speaker 13: of tough. This gives you a beautiful soft burger patty.

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Speaker 13: So soak those bread crumbs, mix that with your pork,

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Speaker 13: minks half an onion. I just finally dice it or

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Speaker 13: else grate it. Two tablespoons of fresh herbs, and I'd

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Speaker 13: go for sage or parsley or rosemary or thyme.

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Speaker 7: You can.

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Speaker 13: You know, you choose a nice big dollop of whole

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Speaker 13: grain mustard in their decent amount of salt and pepper,

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Speaker 13: and massage all of that together with your hands, and

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Speaker 13: that gets the proteins going jack which in the pork,

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Speaker 13: which will also help to bind it. Roll this, divide

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Speaker 13: it into two, roll it into two nice big balls,

644
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Speaker 13: flatten it, and make sure that you've flatten your patty

645
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Speaker 13: so that it's flattened bigger than your burger butt, because

646
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Speaker 13: they do shrink. And we've all had that problem when

647
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Speaker 13: you make a burger at home and you end up

648
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Speaker 13: with this sort of little patty and the big overhanging

649
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Speaker 13: burger paddy a burger buttons, So don't do that. Chill

650
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Speaker 13: it down for fifteen minutes while you get the rest

651
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Speaker 13: of everything sorted. Cook your patties in a pan or

652
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Speaker 13: on a barbecue, don't overcook them, and they'll be nice

653
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Speaker 13: and moist and delicious. And then key I think with

654
00:35:34,733 --> 00:35:37,253
Speaker 13: a good burger is to split the butt, wipe a

655
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Speaker 13: little bit of mayonnaise, and place the cut side down

656
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Speaker 13: in a pan or on a grill. The mayonnaise acts

657
00:35:42,133 --> 00:35:44,693
Speaker 13: like butter a bit better, and you'll get a beautiful,

658
00:35:44,813 --> 00:35:47,133
Speaker 13: oh so good that they'll be soft. On the top

659
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Speaker 13: of that cut side, it will be a little bit

660
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Speaker 13: crispy and yummy. And then I like to layer this

661
00:35:51,573 --> 00:35:54,493
Speaker 13: up when I do it, so I get my pork

662
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Speaker 13: but paddy on the bottom with some chili jam, put

663
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Speaker 13: some beet fruit in there, put some shredded apple in there,

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Speaker 13: and then that crispy kale. Now I drop this off

665
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Speaker 13: at my neighbors. Gave them one, and they're an older couple,

666
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Speaker 13: and they said it was the best booger they ever had.

667
00:36:10,653 --> 00:36:13,533
Speaker 13: They laughed, okay, they were like, oh my goodness, and

668
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Speaker 13: then they were like, oh, we are sold. That was fantastic.

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Speaker 13: So beautiful, beautiful combination of sweetness and a little bit

670
00:36:19,733 --> 00:36:21,933
Speaker 13: of bitterness, a little bit of crunch in there. It's

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Speaker 13: a good burger.

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Speaker 3: Setting each other. That's the point, right, that's why you

673
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Speaker 3: have it was just a kale and apple, no thanks,

674
00:36:29,333 --> 00:36:31,293
Speaker 3: but you've got with the pork, it kind of all

675
00:36:31,453 --> 00:36:32,773
Speaker 3: balances itself.

676
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's great.

677
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Speaker 13: And you know, the kale works a bit like a pickle,

678
00:36:35,893 --> 00:36:38,333
Speaker 13: like I've got no pickle in this. Yeah, it's kind

679
00:36:38,333 --> 00:36:40,453
Speaker 13: of got that bitterness in the acidity of the apple.

680
00:36:40,533 --> 00:36:43,413
Speaker 13: So it's perfect. It's absolutely gorgeous. So get out there

681
00:36:43,413 --> 00:36:46,173
Speaker 13: and support your local burger place to give them a

682
00:36:46,173 --> 00:36:48,573
Speaker 13: big old vote. Don't drive too far. We can't afford it,

683
00:36:48,613 --> 00:36:52,333
Speaker 13: so go to your local and yeah, let's eat more burgers.

684
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Speaker 6: Say it's amazing.

685
00:36:53,453 --> 00:36:56,213
Speaker 3: So Burger Nation's got three hundred and seven venues taking

686
00:36:56,253 --> 00:36:59,693
Speaker 3: part this year. It was two hundred right last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

687
00:36:59,733 --> 00:37:03,253
Speaker 3: and so it's really really exploded. The competition goes until

688
00:37:03,293 --> 00:37:05,813
Speaker 3: the twenty ninth, so just over a week to go,

689
00:37:05,933 --> 00:37:08,093
Speaker 3: and then the has announced on April first. Yeah, that'd

690
00:37:08,093 --> 00:37:10,093
Speaker 3: be great. I think it's a very very good excuse

691
00:37:10,173 --> 00:37:13,573
Speaker 3: to indulge in to support your locals. Yeah, you're not.

692
00:37:13,733 --> 00:37:15,733
Speaker 13: They're not unhealthy. If you go to a good place

693
00:37:15,733 --> 00:37:19,333
Speaker 13: that's making them from scratch, which most most independents do,

694
00:37:20,213 --> 00:37:22,573
Speaker 13: then you've really got a fantastic meal. I mean also

695
00:37:22,613 --> 00:37:24,173
Speaker 13: get the fries on the side, because why.

696
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Speaker 3: Would say that change changes the nutritional the nutritional balance

697
00:37:30,733 --> 00:37:32,453
Speaker 3: a little bit? But yeah, no, I'm with you. Well

698
00:37:32,453 --> 00:37:35,733
Speaker 3: wakes your that amazing sounding recipe too. The pork, apple

699
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Speaker 3: and kale burger recipe is up on the news Talks.

700
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Speaker 3: He'd be website. Thank you so much, Nicky. We will

701
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Speaker 3: catch you again very soon as six minutes to ten

702
00:37:42,293 --> 00:37:42,893
Speaker 3: on Newstalks.

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Speaker 1: He'd be giving inside scoop on the ball you need

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Speaker 1: to know Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: News Talks head. But you know we are watch just

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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks away now from daylight saving and

707
00:37:57,733 --> 00:38:01,293
Speaker 3: the clocks going back in our for winter. That means

708
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Speaker 3: that it is time to get cracking in the garden.

709
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Speaker 3: So if you want to have all of your or

710
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Speaker 3: tumn bulbs in before eleven o'clock this morning, will be

711
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Speaker 3: in the garden with our top tips for the things

712
00:38:12,653 --> 00:38:16,333
Speaker 3: you should be planting this weekend or certainly asap. Hey,

713
00:38:16,333 --> 00:38:20,413
Speaker 3: thanks for your feedback. Jack. I've got the original, precious

714
00:38:20,493 --> 00:38:23,573
Speaker 3: Mackenzie total Jim unit that Chuck Norris took on board

715
00:38:23,573 --> 00:38:27,853
Speaker 3: in his TV series, says George. How good, Ah, Jack.

716
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Speaker 3: The only thing that I would use Kale for that

717
00:38:30,413 --> 00:38:34,573
Speaker 3: I'd use with Kale rather is roundup, says Graham. Graham,

718
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Speaker 3: Come on, it's all about balance. You're offsetting it with

719
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Speaker 3: the apple and the pork. Trust us, it's delicious. Nicky

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Speaker 3: never steers us wrong. That recipe will beyond the news Doalg's.

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Speaker 3: He'd be website right after the ten o'clock News Our

722
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Speaker 3: feature interview this morning. Dame Linley Dodd. She was celebrated

723
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Speaker 3: at this week's New Zealander of the Year Awards with

724
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Speaker 3: the Legacy Award, and what an incredible legacy it is.

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Speaker 3: Cannot wait to speak with her. News is next. It's

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Speaker 3: almost ten o'clock. I'm Jack Tayman. This is Newstalgs. He'd be.

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Speaker 1: Cranking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning when with

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Speaker 1: Jack Dame.

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Speaker 5: News Talk.

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Speaker 3: More and you were Jack Tame on News Talks. He'd

731
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Speaker 3: be so good to have you with us this Saturday

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Speaker 3: morning in the mangle munching forest, there's a nickel nackletree

733
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Speaker 3: growing nickel nackleberries that are read as red can be.

734
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Speaker 3: What an amazing line and incredible to think that that

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Speaker 3: line delights as much today as it did when it

736
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Speaker 3: was written fifty years ago. That is, of course, the

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Speaker 3: first line from the Nickel Nackletree by Dame Linley Dodd,

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Speaker 3: the beloved children's author is best Noah know her Harry

739
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Speaker 3: McCleary series, of course, the first of which was published

740
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Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty three, and over the last however many decades,

741
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Speaker 3: the Scrappy Little Dog has gone on to inspire stage shows,

742
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Speaker 3: cartoon series, even a collaboration with the London Symphony Orchestra,

743
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Speaker 3: all while selling millions of copies worldwide. This week, Dame

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Speaker 3: Linley was honored at the New Zealander of the Year

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Speaker 3: Awards with the Legacy Award for fostering a love of

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Speaker 3: literature and generations of children. And Dame Linley is with

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Speaker 3: us this morning. It is such a great pleasure, Kilder

748
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Speaker 3: and welcome to the show.

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Speaker 10: Good morning, Jack. It's lovely to speak to you.

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Speaker 3: It is so so special to be speaking with you.

751
00:40:47,413 --> 00:40:50,853
Speaker 3: I've said it already to our audience, but your books

752
00:40:50,893 --> 00:40:55,093
Speaker 3: are an absolute favorite in our household, as I'm sure

753
00:40:55,213 --> 00:40:58,893
Speaker 3: is the case, and however many millions of households worldwide.

754
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Speaker 3: But I swear I could read the Nickel Nackletree cover

755
00:41:02,933 --> 00:41:05,093
Speaker 3: to cover without even looking at the words. You know,

756
00:41:05,413 --> 00:41:09,253
Speaker 3: it's we've committed that. And however many Harry McCleary's to

757
00:41:09,293 --> 00:41:12,173
Speaker 3: Memories and Susie Fogg, walking Sam her dog and everything.

758
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Speaker 3: So so thank you.

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Speaker 10: You've been very suitably brainwashed and very.

760
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Speaker 3: So the Legacy Award at the New Zealander of the

761
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Speaker 3: Year Awards. I know you've been celebrated a few places

762
00:41:25,613 --> 00:41:28,373
Speaker 3: over the years, but how do you think about your legacy.

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Speaker 10: Well, I've, obviously, I think, been spending all these years

764
00:41:33,693 --> 00:41:38,613
Speaker 10: thoroughly enjoying myself producing these books. I feel slightly guilty.

765
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Speaker 3: You feel guilty about it?

766
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Speaker 10: Well, no, I mean that sounds a bit silly. It

767
00:41:45,213 --> 00:41:47,933
Speaker 10: sounds you know, I've been indulging myself and I have

768
00:41:48,333 --> 00:41:52,653
Speaker 10: doing these things. But no, it's been great fun.

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's pleasing to know that you get joy

770
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Speaker 3: through the process, because obviously there's a lot of joy

771
00:42:00,653 --> 00:42:03,573
Speaker 3: that comes to people who you know who are engaging

772
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Speaker 3: with your work. Do you mind telling us the kind

773
00:42:05,573 --> 00:42:08,173
Speaker 3: of origin story I know you've told a few times before,

774
00:42:08,213 --> 00:42:11,173
Speaker 3: but for people who aren't aware of how you became

775
00:42:11,453 --> 00:42:14,333
Speaker 3: the author you are today and the artist you are today,

776
00:42:14,773 --> 00:42:16,293
Speaker 3: tell us how you started.

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Speaker 10: Well. I had been an art teacher, teaching secondary school art,

778
00:42:22,813 --> 00:42:28,253
Speaker 10: and when I retired to have about my first child,

779
00:42:28,413 --> 00:42:31,213
Speaker 10: Eve Sutton got back in contact with me. She'd been

780
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Speaker 10: talking about books quite a long time beforehand, and she said, no,

781
00:42:35,053 --> 00:42:38,733
Speaker 10: it's time to produce a children's book together, she said,

782
00:42:39,373 --> 00:42:41,973
Speaker 10: very firmly, and I didn't have any choice, so I

783
00:42:42,053 --> 00:42:45,213
Speaker 10: certainly had to say yes. And we came up with

784
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Speaker 10: My Cat Nest to Hide and Boxes, and that was

785
00:42:48,933 --> 00:42:51,293
Speaker 10: the one we did together. And that was really the

786
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Speaker 10: beginning of a very long series of books ever afterwards,

787
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Speaker 10: because I got completely hooked by this, by the thought

788
00:43:00,973 --> 00:43:04,573
Speaker 10: of picture books, and I suddenly became quite greedy and

789
00:43:04,653 --> 00:43:07,333
Speaker 10: wanted to do the writing as well as the illustrating.

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Speaker 3: What was it that hook to you about it?

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Speaker 10: Do you think, Well, I've always had a love of words,

792
00:43:14,253 --> 00:43:19,053
Speaker 10: right since childhood. I was an only child and brought

793
00:43:19,173 --> 00:43:23,613
Speaker 10: up in the Knger of forest in a very small settlement,

794
00:43:25,453 --> 00:43:29,693
Speaker 10: and therefore, you know, didn't have many friends or any

795
00:43:29,693 --> 00:43:33,293
Speaker 10: friends most of the time because there were so few children.

796
00:43:34,013 --> 00:43:38,453
Speaker 10: And so my conversations with my parents were the thing

797
00:43:38,493 --> 00:43:42,533
Speaker 10: that really got me really fond of words, because they

798
00:43:42,533 --> 00:43:46,333
Speaker 10: were both peeped much into words too, and there was

799
00:43:46,333 --> 00:43:50,053
Speaker 10: an awful lot of fun with language at home, and

800
00:43:50,373 --> 00:43:54,293
Speaker 10: really that's what began the whole thing. Really, after my

801
00:43:54,453 --> 00:43:57,133
Speaker 10: cat likes to hide and boxes, something realized how much

802
00:43:57,213 --> 00:43:59,413
Speaker 10: I loved words as well, and I wanted to be

803
00:43:59,493 --> 00:44:01,533
Speaker 10: able to do them as well as the pictures.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you said that you had a lot of

805
00:44:05,573 --> 00:44:08,173
Speaker 3: fun with language with your parents. How so would you

806
00:44:08,413 --> 00:44:09,053
Speaker 3: play games?

807
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Speaker 7: Was it?

808
00:44:09,413 --> 00:44:12,573
Speaker 3: Were you playing scrabble? Were you reading aloud? Were you

809
00:44:12,733 --> 00:44:14,373
Speaker 3: reciting poems? How did that work?

810
00:44:14,733 --> 00:44:21,093
Speaker 10: Just in conversation? Really, both my parents were fond of

811
00:44:21,093 --> 00:44:25,053
Speaker 10: books and also fond of fun, and so, you know,

812
00:44:25,613 --> 00:44:28,333
Speaker 10: obviously there were serious times as well, but there was

813
00:44:28,373 --> 00:44:31,453
Speaker 10: a lot of fun with words. My father and I

814
00:44:31,533 --> 00:44:34,413
Speaker 10: used to make up games, make up sort of imaginary

815
00:44:34,413 --> 00:44:37,173
Speaker 10: animals and all sorts of silly things, and have nonsense

816
00:44:37,213 --> 00:44:41,773
Speaker 10: conversations about them, which as an only child, of course,

817
00:44:42,133 --> 00:44:45,493
Speaker 10: I had my parents' attention to myself, you know, no

818
00:44:45,653 --> 00:44:49,373
Speaker 10: brothers and sisters to take any so I were very lucky, really,

819
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Speaker 10: especially as you know, living in a very isolated spot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing how you can reflect on an experience

821
00:44:58,053 --> 00:45:02,613
Speaker 3: like that and realize how foundational it's been in your

822
00:45:02,653 --> 00:45:05,853
Speaker 3: work and your art, because I mean, i think one

823
00:45:05,853 --> 00:45:09,373
Speaker 3: of the quality that defines your stories is the language.

824
00:45:09,573 --> 00:45:11,973
Speaker 3: That your stories are so fun to read, and the

825
00:45:12,053 --> 00:45:15,053
Speaker 3: rhythm of the rhymes is just as it's kind of

826
00:45:15,173 --> 00:45:18,933
Speaker 3: languid and addictive. It's I mean, it really is quite beautiful.

827
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Speaker 3: But obviously you appreciated early on that children also value

828
00:45:26,173 --> 00:45:29,693
Speaker 3: good words and clever language exactly.

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Speaker 10: And I've always felt very very strongly, particularly having been

830
00:45:33,453 --> 00:45:35,773
Speaker 10: brought up in the nineteen forties and that's an awfully

831
00:45:35,773 --> 00:45:41,333
Speaker 10: long time time ago, that the things we were given

832
00:45:41,413 --> 00:45:46,413
Speaker 10: to read it at school were incredibly old fashioned even then,

833
00:45:46,573 --> 00:45:51,853
Speaker 10: I think, and of millions of gnomes and faeries and

834
00:45:52,093 --> 00:45:57,133
Speaker 10: bits and pieces, and it was talking down kind of language,

835
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Speaker 10: which I'm looking back, I probably sort of recognized it

836
00:46:01,573 --> 00:46:03,853
Speaker 10: wasn't the kind of language I was getting at home,

837
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Speaker 10: and I got a bit bored by those books, and

838
00:46:07,493 --> 00:46:10,413
Speaker 10: it was only later on, when much later on, when

839
00:46:10,413 --> 00:46:14,613
Speaker 10: I met books like Doctor Seusis suddenly realized you could

840
00:46:14,613 --> 00:46:17,853
Speaker 10: be mad with the language and have a fantastic time,

841
00:46:18,413 --> 00:46:21,893
Speaker 10: which has always made me feel that for parents reading

842
00:46:21,933 --> 00:46:24,133
Speaker 10: to small children as you are doing at the moment,

843
00:46:26,453 --> 00:46:29,413
Speaker 10: you can get dreadfully tired if you can't get excited

844
00:46:29,453 --> 00:46:32,893
Speaker 10: about what you're reading. And you've got something that really

845
00:46:32,933 --> 00:46:37,893
Speaker 10: makes you laugh as well as the child, that's absolutely fantastic.

846
00:46:37,973 --> 00:46:40,933
Speaker 10: It's a mutual thing then, and that makes it much

847
00:46:40,973 --> 00:46:42,573
Speaker 10: more special for the child too.

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Speaker 3: I think you've put your finger on it. I think

849
00:46:46,013 --> 00:46:49,613
Speaker 3: that's the secret source. I believe that that might be

850
00:46:49,733 --> 00:46:52,893
Speaker 3: part of the reason you've had so much success is

851
00:46:52,973 --> 00:46:57,213
Speaker 3: because you've managed to unlock the kind of storytelling that

852
00:46:57,293 --> 00:46:59,133
Speaker 3: delight's parents as well as children.

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00:47:00,013 --> 00:47:03,053
Speaker 10: That's so important, because after all, a parent is pretty

854
00:47:03,053 --> 00:47:04,653
Speaker 10: tired really at bedtime.

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00:47:05,533 --> 00:47:06,653
Speaker 6: Yeah, you did.

856
00:47:07,253 --> 00:47:10,933
Speaker 10: And the last thing you want is a text that clunks.

857
00:47:11,973 --> 00:47:16,733
Speaker 10: You know that that is so irritating. Actually, And if

858
00:47:16,773 --> 00:47:19,733
Speaker 10: you've got something that actually swings along the beautiful rhythm

859
00:47:20,493 --> 00:47:24,093
Speaker 10: and you've got lovely, interesting, fun words that you can

860
00:47:24,133 --> 00:47:27,933
Speaker 10: all laugh about, that just adds to the fun of

861
00:47:28,013 --> 00:47:30,973
Speaker 10: doing so really and that's why I've been pretty strong

862
00:47:31,013 --> 00:47:31,973
Speaker 10: about things like that.

863
00:47:32,613 --> 00:47:36,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm ashamed to say it wasn't until having been

864
00:47:36,773 --> 00:47:40,773
Speaker 3: brought up on your stories, having been read them as

865
00:47:40,813 --> 00:47:44,973
Speaker 3: a child. I'm ashamed to say that it wasn't until

866
00:47:44,973 --> 00:47:47,813
Speaker 3: I had my own children and was reading them your

867
00:47:47,853 --> 00:47:51,733
Speaker 3: stories through the next generation that I had also appreciated

868
00:47:52,333 --> 00:47:55,733
Speaker 3: you had illustrated your books. And I mean you are

869
00:47:55,733 --> 00:47:58,693
Speaker 3: an incredible artist. Yeah, you are you. I mean you

870
00:47:58,733 --> 00:48:02,973
Speaker 3: are an astonishing artist. So tell us about the illustration

871
00:48:03,293 --> 00:48:07,453
Speaker 3: side of things, because obviously you know you had studied it,

872
00:48:07,533 --> 00:48:10,533
Speaker 3: you were teaching it. But the art is a hugely

873
00:48:10,533 --> 00:48:11,533
Speaker 3: important component.

874
00:48:12,893 --> 00:48:16,573
Speaker 10: I was absolutely obsessed with drawing as a child, right

875
00:48:16,613 --> 00:48:22,733
Speaker 10: from the very beginning, and I think possibly it started

876
00:48:22,773 --> 00:48:25,853
Speaker 10: with my aunt, my father's sister, who used to write

877
00:48:26,053 --> 00:48:29,653
Speaker 10: every week and she always did a very silly drawing

878
00:48:29,693 --> 00:48:32,773
Speaker 10: at the bottom of her letter for me, and it

879
00:48:32,853 --> 00:48:36,013
Speaker 10: was usually an animal, an animal that looks likely like

880
00:48:36,053 --> 00:48:38,973
Speaker 10: a caterpillar, had an awful lot of legs, but it

881
00:48:39,093 --> 00:48:43,093
Speaker 10: was always hilarious to see. And I can remember all

882
00:48:43,133 --> 00:48:46,053
Speaker 10: of us howling with laughter at these things because she

883
00:48:46,093 --> 00:48:48,693
Speaker 10: couldn't draw for peanuts, but that was what made it

884
00:48:48,773 --> 00:48:53,813
Speaker 10: so good fun, and I looked for that each time

885
00:48:53,853 --> 00:48:55,773
Speaker 10: the letter came in. I think I probably would have

886
00:48:55,853 --> 00:48:59,973
Speaker 10: been bitterly disappointed if there hadn't been hadn't been a

887
00:49:00,093 --> 00:49:04,573
Speaker 10: drawing for me as well. So at that stage I

888
00:49:04,573 --> 00:49:07,293
Speaker 10: suppose it sank into my head that you can actually

889
00:49:07,413 --> 00:49:12,453
Speaker 10: sort of what words and illustrations together, you know, not

890
00:49:12,533 --> 00:49:15,133
Speaker 10: really thinking about it, but it probably sank in somewhere,

891
00:49:15,253 --> 00:49:20,653
Speaker 10: And so I drew right through my childhood. Right from

892
00:49:20,653 --> 00:49:22,973
Speaker 10: the very beginning. It was understood in my family that

893
00:49:23,093 --> 00:49:27,093
Speaker 10: I would do art, do art in some way, and

894
00:49:27,213 --> 00:49:29,253
Speaker 10: that was why I went off to our school and

895
00:49:29,413 --> 00:49:35,413
Speaker 10: studied sculpture of all things. Would you believe it? Yeah,

896
00:49:35,453 --> 00:49:38,253
Speaker 10: But that was incredibly useful, of course, because it gave

897
00:49:38,293 --> 00:49:41,533
Speaker 10: me a good understanding of you know, shape and figure

898
00:49:41,613 --> 00:49:46,173
Speaker 10: and whatnot. And so I love you we're doing that

899
00:49:46,253 --> 00:49:49,013
Speaker 10: part of it as well as much as doing the words.

900
00:49:49,653 --> 00:49:55,453
Speaker 3: Is it a real thing to in the world of

901
00:49:55,573 --> 00:49:59,653
Speaker 3: children's books, to come across someone who is as good

902
00:49:59,653 --> 00:50:01,533
Speaker 3: with the art as they are with the language. It

903
00:50:01,613 --> 00:50:04,693
Speaker 3: sort of feels like you you've really you sort of

904
00:50:04,693 --> 00:50:06,053
Speaker 3: excel in both spaces.

905
00:50:07,053 --> 00:50:09,253
Speaker 10: Well, it's very kind of you, Jack to say that

906
00:50:10,533 --> 00:50:15,813
Speaker 10: I don't always feel like sixty with everything. But it's

907
00:50:15,933 --> 00:50:18,173
Speaker 10: I think there are a lot of actually, if you

908
00:50:18,173 --> 00:50:21,173
Speaker 10: look at quite a lot of illustrators and writers together,

909
00:50:21,293 --> 00:50:25,853
Speaker 10: who you know who do both and sometimes perhaps there's

910
00:50:25,853 --> 00:50:28,493
Speaker 10: a slight difference in standard. I don't know. I think

911
00:50:28,533 --> 00:50:32,773
Speaker 10: I've seen plenty who are very good at both. So

912
00:50:32,853 --> 00:50:36,933
Speaker 10: I'm not not alone in that at all. I'm just

913
00:50:37,173 --> 00:50:38,733
Speaker 10: lucky though, which is nice.

914
00:50:39,373 --> 00:50:42,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, you listen to Jack tam I'm speaking with Dane

915
00:50:42,773 --> 00:50:46,133
Speaker 3: Linley Dodd about her incredible breath of work and her

916
00:50:46,213 --> 00:50:49,013
Speaker 3: Legacy award at this year's New Zealander of the Year Awards.

917
00:50:49,933 --> 00:50:53,053
Speaker 3: I have to ask about hearing McCleary only because I'm

918
00:50:53,133 --> 00:50:55,133
Speaker 3: sure everyone asks you about it's probably not a day

919
00:50:55,173 --> 00:50:58,173
Speaker 3: goes by you don't. You don't mention mention his name?

920
00:50:58,253 --> 00:50:58,853
Speaker 6: Is he based?

921
00:50:59,173 --> 00:50:59,813
Speaker 3: Is he based on.

922
00:50:59,773 --> 00:51:00,293
Speaker 5: A real doll?

923
00:51:01,773 --> 00:51:03,733
Speaker 10: I think he's been based on an awful lot of

924
00:51:03,813 --> 00:51:06,693
Speaker 10: dogs I've known over the years, you know, sort of

925
00:51:06,693 --> 00:51:09,053
Speaker 10: bumptious little ones who think that they can walk under

926
00:51:09,093 --> 00:51:12,013
Speaker 10: these other dogs and get away with ye.

927
00:51:14,213 --> 00:51:14,253
Speaker 14: With.

928
00:51:14,493 --> 00:51:17,173
Speaker 10: The smaller they are, the more bumptious they get, really,

929
00:51:17,213 --> 00:51:20,733
Speaker 10: don't they They're It's amazing. It's the wrong way around, really,

930
00:51:22,213 --> 00:51:25,853
Speaker 10: But I've always I've always watched and always been obsessed

931
00:51:25,893 --> 00:51:29,173
Speaker 10: with animals all my life too, and have watched an

932
00:51:29,213 --> 00:51:33,133
Speaker 10: awful lot of dogs. We've had dogs at home too,

933
00:51:33,493 --> 00:51:37,333
Speaker 10: and we had a das and latterly at home.

934
00:51:37,933 --> 00:51:39,053
Speaker 3: Did you call them Schnitzel?

935
00:51:40,573 --> 00:51:44,053
Speaker 10: No, he came with a ridiculous name for a German

936
00:51:44,133 --> 00:51:49,613
Speaker 10: dog dog. He was called Sean, completely inappropriate. I don't

937
00:51:49,613 --> 00:51:53,613
Speaker 10: know why I didn't change it.

938
00:51:53,573 --> 00:51:57,333
Speaker 3: It's sort of the names are among all of your

939
00:51:58,173 --> 00:52:01,133
Speaker 3: amazing language. The names are a real standout, right that

940
00:52:01,373 --> 00:52:04,813
Speaker 3: the likes of Hercules, more Schnitze, crumb Muff and maclay.

941
00:52:04,893 --> 00:52:08,213
Speaker 3: I love Gray Wacky Owned. I just think it's such

942
00:52:08,253 --> 00:52:11,573
Speaker 3: a it's such a delightful name. It's such a yeah.

943
00:52:11,733 --> 00:52:14,613
Speaker 10: But I don't know why I thought of that one yet.

944
00:52:14,693 --> 00:52:17,133
Speaker 10: Remember why where.

945
00:52:16,293 --> 00:52:18,213
Speaker 3: Do these Where do they come from? Is it just

946
00:52:18,533 --> 00:52:20,013
Speaker 3: you're just plucking them from the ether.

947
00:52:20,893 --> 00:52:23,773
Speaker 10: Well, I've got a rather peculiar brain, that's quite obvious.

948
00:52:23,893 --> 00:52:28,893
Speaker 10: But I just love the sound of fun words to say.

949
00:52:29,053 --> 00:52:32,293
Speaker 10: And so whenever I go looking for a dog, neighbor

950
00:52:32,213 --> 00:52:35,253
Speaker 10: or anything else name, I put things together and I

951
00:52:35,373 --> 00:52:37,773
Speaker 10: get rid of them if they don't work together, and

952
00:52:37,893 --> 00:52:41,413
Speaker 10: I go back to more words, and I don't know.

953
00:52:41,493 --> 00:52:44,853
Speaker 10: In the end something comes out, and if if it works,

954
00:52:45,013 --> 00:52:48,173
Speaker 10: I say, right, that's it. You know, that seems to

955
00:52:48,213 --> 00:52:50,213
Speaker 10: be suitable. I mean, I don't know how I got

956
00:52:50,293 --> 00:52:55,093
Speaker 10: Gray wacky Jones about from the fact that he is Gray.

957
00:52:55,173 --> 00:52:57,933
Speaker 10: I suppose I was thinking of gray words and trying

958
00:52:57,973 --> 00:53:01,933
Speaker 10: to go through the dictionary and see something interesting, and

959
00:53:02,053 --> 00:53:05,613
Speaker 10: I ended up with that was probably the dictionary. Actually

960
00:53:05,613 --> 00:53:09,973
Speaker 10: I got Gray working. And also because it's a fun

961
00:53:10,013 --> 00:53:10,373
Speaker 10: thing to.

962
00:53:10,373 --> 00:53:12,693
Speaker 3: Say as well, it is it is a fun thing

963
00:53:12,693 --> 00:53:16,333
Speaker 3: to say. You do you find that the stories translate

964
00:53:16,933 --> 00:53:20,693
Speaker 3: well beyond New Zealand. I have friends in the United States,

965
00:53:20,693 --> 00:53:22,853
Speaker 3: and whenever they you know, friends have children in the

966
00:53:22,973 --> 00:53:25,613
Speaker 3: United States, I always send them the complete Herry McCleary,

967
00:53:25,933 --> 00:53:28,973
Speaker 3: and I'm always amazed at, you know, without the kind

968
00:53:29,013 --> 00:53:32,693
Speaker 3: of cultural references that New Zealanders or even Brits might

969
00:53:32,733 --> 00:53:38,213
Speaker 3: see in the books, and how it seems to cross

970
00:53:38,253 --> 00:53:43,413
Speaker 3: those international borders and delights children, you know, whoever, completely

971
00:53:43,413 --> 00:53:44,693
Speaker 3: different context.

972
00:53:45,813 --> 00:53:50,013
Speaker 10: All there are dogs everywhere, cats everywhere. The things I

973
00:53:50,133 --> 00:53:54,973
Speaker 10: write about are international, and somehow everybody forgives me for

974
00:53:55,053 --> 00:54:00,853
Speaker 10: doing things that's slightly strange in a different setting. Although

975
00:54:01,573 --> 00:54:05,213
Speaker 10: funny enough, the poor Education department in Scotland got into

976
00:54:05,293 --> 00:54:09,933
Speaker 10: trouble for claiming Herry McCleary did they really were recommending him,

977
00:54:10,733 --> 00:54:14,293
Speaker 10: you know, the book for the readers in schools and whatnot,

978
00:54:14,333 --> 00:54:18,173
Speaker 10: and then suddenly gone to their embarrassment that he doesn't

979
00:54:18,173 --> 00:54:21,133
Speaker 10: come from Scotland. Well, I said to myself, how on

980
00:54:21,213 --> 00:54:25,533
Speaker 10: earth could you imagine that he did? When you actually

981
00:54:25,573 --> 00:54:29,373
Speaker 10: look at the pictures, they're nothing like New Zealand houses

982
00:54:29,613 --> 00:54:35,093
Speaker 10: got houses, don't have corrugated then ruins. No, I mean,

983
00:54:35,093 --> 00:54:38,373
Speaker 10: they really should have looked a little harder perhaps before

984
00:54:38,413 --> 00:54:42,413
Speaker 10: they made that decision. But I thought that was rather fun.

985
00:54:42,493 --> 00:54:42,733
Speaker 2: Really.

986
00:54:43,613 --> 00:54:47,053
Speaker 3: It must be the ultimate compliment to have your work

987
00:54:47,133 --> 00:54:49,933
Speaker 3: being claimed by other countries like that on the other

988
00:54:49,973 --> 00:54:51,693
Speaker 3: side of the world. There has to be a good sign.

989
00:54:51,773 --> 00:54:55,213
Speaker 10: I think it is a very exciting. I can tell

990
00:54:55,253 --> 00:54:58,333
Speaker 10: you I was really madly excited by that thing. I

991
00:54:58,453 --> 00:55:04,253
Speaker 10: wasn't offended. I just thought he's okay over there too,

992
00:55:04,413 --> 00:55:09,173
Speaker 10: So that's great problem. It's lovely.

993
00:55:10,013 --> 00:55:12,253
Speaker 3: I know you've got to go in a moment, but

994
00:55:13,093 --> 00:55:16,213
Speaker 3: are you still sketching, are you're still writing? You're still

995
00:55:16,213 --> 00:55:17,933
Speaker 3: playing with words?

996
00:55:18,173 --> 00:55:20,653
Speaker 10: I'm in a sort of lull period at the moment

997
00:55:20,733 --> 00:55:23,973
Speaker 10: because I've been so busy with other things, but I

998
00:55:24,013 --> 00:55:27,613
Speaker 10: can feel a slight urge coming on again. I've done

999
00:55:27,733 --> 00:55:32,293
Speaker 10: thirty three. There are thirty three books altogether, so they're

1000
00:55:32,573 --> 00:55:36,573
Speaker 10: the twenty one that a Harry McCurry and assorted others

1001
00:55:37,253 --> 00:55:41,813
Speaker 10: like Slinking the Linky and whatnot, and then other completely

1002
00:55:41,813 --> 00:55:46,133
Speaker 10: different ones on different subjects altogether, like The Smallest Turtle

1003
00:55:46,373 --> 00:55:48,053
Speaker 10: and various other ones.

1004
00:55:48,093 --> 00:55:53,453
Speaker 3: The Smallest Turtle is beautiful. It's so beautiful. It gets

1005
00:55:53,493 --> 00:55:57,053
Speaker 3: down to the cool, cool water on his body and yeah,

1006
00:55:57,093 --> 00:55:58,933
Speaker 3: it's a beautiful story.

1007
00:55:59,893 --> 00:56:02,773
Speaker 10: Thank you. I'm glad you like it. It certainly began

1008
00:56:02,893 --> 00:56:07,533
Speaker 10: with a TV program actually, the The Baby Turtle came,

1009
00:56:07,693 --> 00:56:12,413
Speaker 10: you know, typical David Attenborough and the family were mad

1010
00:56:12,493 --> 00:56:15,293
Speaker 10: keen on those and we were all sitting watching one

1011
00:56:15,333 --> 00:56:19,613
Speaker 10: Sunday afternoon and this turtle was baby Turtle was late.

1012
00:56:20,013 --> 00:56:22,613
Speaker 10: All the other turtles had already gone, and it was

1013
00:56:22,693 --> 00:56:26,653
Speaker 10: later coming up and it was going the wrong way,

1014
00:56:26,693 --> 00:56:29,693
Speaker 10: and the family were all saying turn it round, turn it.

1015
00:56:29,813 --> 00:56:33,053
Speaker 3: From yelling at the television.

1016
00:56:33,333 --> 00:56:38,973
Speaker 10: Yeah, so that's how that one began. Actually, I said

1017
00:56:38,973 --> 00:56:41,013
Speaker 10: I must have a book about the turtle that does

1018
00:56:41,093 --> 00:56:42,013
Speaker 10: get to see.

1019
00:56:42,493 --> 00:56:45,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to be very embarrassing here, Lindy. Do

1020
00:56:45,973 --> 00:56:48,453
Speaker 3: your publishers tell you? Does anyone keep a telling for

1021
00:56:48,493 --> 00:56:49,653
Speaker 3: how many books you sold?

1022
00:56:51,373 --> 00:56:54,693
Speaker 10: Well, people have been telling me since this excitement this week,

1023
00:56:54,773 --> 00:56:59,853
Speaker 10: have been telling me figures that I can hardly believe. Actually, yes,

1024
00:56:59,933 --> 00:57:05,133
Speaker 10: I do get an idea, but it's almost terrifying to

1025
00:57:05,213 --> 00:57:05,693
Speaker 10: hear them.

1026
00:57:06,133 --> 00:57:09,773
Speaker 3: What's the idea that other people say? What others say?

1027
00:57:10,573 --> 00:57:14,453
Speaker 10: Well, suddenly said somebody said to me this week, five Vinion.

1028
00:57:14,533 --> 00:57:18,453
Speaker 10: I think it was you know that that is a

1029
00:57:18,453 --> 00:57:20,813
Speaker 10: bit sort of overpowering.

1030
00:57:20,893 --> 00:57:26,093
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, I mean I I would be surprised if

1031
00:57:26,093 --> 00:57:30,293
Speaker 3: it were any fewer, I really would. I just think, Yeah,

1032
00:57:31,213 --> 00:57:36,173
Speaker 3: I think you have. You've brought delight to so so

1033
00:57:36,373 --> 00:57:40,173
Speaker 3: many people in so many countries, and and and it's

1034
00:57:40,213 --> 00:57:43,813
Speaker 3: now at a stage where you know that the children

1035
00:57:43,853 --> 00:57:46,653
Speaker 3: who grew up being read your stories and now the

1036
00:57:46,693 --> 00:57:49,053
Speaker 3: ones reading them to their children, and it's a it's

1037
00:57:49,053 --> 00:57:50,573
Speaker 3: an incredible legacy.

1038
00:57:50,653 --> 00:57:52,413
Speaker 10: That makes me feel like about one hundreds.

1039
00:57:52,453 --> 00:57:58,253
Speaker 3: So that's not what I'm suggesting for a moment, I know, Yeah, yeah,

1040
00:57:58,693 --> 00:58:00,213
Speaker 3: well you have.

1041
00:58:00,693 --> 00:58:03,773
Speaker 10: You have been very kind to me Jack, you wrote

1042
00:58:03,813 --> 00:58:08,053
Speaker 10: a lovely piece recently and I did appreciate what you said.

1043
00:58:08,093 --> 00:58:08,933
Speaker 10: It was so nice.

1044
00:58:09,213 --> 00:58:12,413
Speaker 3: No, the least I could do, like I say, the

1045
00:58:12,453 --> 00:58:14,853
Speaker 3: amount of joy you've brought our household alone, and then

1046
00:58:14,893 --> 00:58:17,573
Speaker 3: to think about how many times that's been replicated as

1047
00:58:17,613 --> 00:58:19,893
Speaker 3: a remarkable thing. So look, thank you so much for

1048
00:58:19,933 --> 00:58:20,733
Speaker 3: giving us your time.

1049
00:58:20,933 --> 00:58:23,693
Speaker 10: Yeah, thank you too, very much.

1050
00:58:24,213 --> 00:58:27,893
Speaker 3: We really appreciate it. Congratulations on the Legacy award at

1051
00:58:27,933 --> 00:58:30,573
Speaker 3: the New Zealander of the Year this week, and all

1052
00:58:30,573 --> 00:58:32,973
Speaker 3: the very best. Yeah, we look forward to hearing from

1053
00:58:33,013 --> 00:58:35,893
Speaker 3: you again soon. Dame Linley Dodd with us this morning,

1054
00:58:36,533 --> 00:58:38,693
Speaker 3: coming up before eleven o'clock on News Talks, he'd be

1055
00:58:38,733 --> 00:58:40,453
Speaker 3: we're in the garden the things you need to get

1056
00:58:40,453 --> 00:58:43,173
Speaker 3: in the ground right now in order to be sorted

1057
00:58:43,733 --> 00:58:47,133
Speaker 3: for autumn. And as well as that, we've got your

1058
00:58:47,173 --> 00:58:49,813
Speaker 3: wine pick for this week. Our master Samalier has picked

1059
00:58:49,853 --> 00:58:53,333
Speaker 3: out a beautiful sounding reserve cab Merlow that he's going

1060
00:58:53,333 --> 00:58:54,813
Speaker 3: to share with us twenty six past ten.

1061
00:58:55,973 --> 00:58:58,173
Speaker 5: No, you're weekeet of the right way.

1062
00:58:58,573 --> 00:59:03,493
Speaker 1: Saturday morning with Jack dam News Talks, they'd be screen timetime.

1063
00:59:03,573 --> 00:59:05,813
Speaker 3: On News Talks, he'd be Carl Pushman is here with

1064
00:59:05,893 --> 00:59:07,893
Speaker 3: his picks this week for shows to watch or stream

1065
00:59:07,893 --> 00:59:11,653
Speaker 3: from your place. Get a carl one in. Jack, let's

1066
00:59:11,693 --> 00:59:13,853
Speaker 3: start off with the show streaming on Prime video. Tell

1067
00:59:13,933 --> 00:59:15,293
Speaker 3: us about Scar pitter.

1068
00:59:16,173 --> 00:59:18,133
Speaker 7: Well, a well read fellow like the South, Jack will

1069
00:59:18,173 --> 00:59:21,053
Speaker 7: be familiar with the scat Case Scarpetter novels. I'm sure

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Speaker 7: Patricia Conwell's long running crime series has been hugely popular

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Speaker 7: since the first book came out way back in nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 7: They're still going strong now and then now there's twenty

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Speaker 7: nine books in that series. Appropriately for a show with

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Speaker 7: such a strong lineage there, it's led by star power.

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Speaker 7: It's got Nicole Kinman as Case Scarpetter, the medical examiner

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Speaker 7: who's quite genius with her forensic science, and Jamie Lee

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Speaker 7: Curtis plays her sister Dorothy, and their chemistry together is

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Speaker 7: one of the highlights of the show. They play sort

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Speaker 7: of arguing sisters who haven't outgrown their childhood problems with

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Speaker 7: each other. Now, the show doesn't follow a particular book.

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Speaker 7: It sort of borrows bits and pieces from various ones

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Speaker 7: and matches them together with an ai sort of subplot

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Speaker 7: going on as well, which you suggests is a lot

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Speaker 7: going on and there is, and there's almost too much

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Speaker 7: going on. It has dual timelines, as the murder she's

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Speaker 7: investigating now sort of collides with the first big murder

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Speaker 7: she solved back in nineteen ninety. What's quite interesting about

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Speaker 7: this is instead of doing the anti aging makeup or

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Speaker 7: de aging via AI or computer graphics, they instead put

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Speaker 7: a whole new cast for the nineteen ninety version of

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Speaker 7: these characters, which does help in keeping track of where

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Speaker 7: you are in the timeline in which case you're following,

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Speaker 7: especially as the lines begin to blur and the you know,

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Speaker 7: all those links and hints start to come into focus.

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Speaker 7: So it is dempse attention demanding storytelling with a lot

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Speaker 7: going on. Also doesn't shy away from grively murder scenes.

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Speaker 7: And because Kidman's character Case Competita, is a medical examiner,

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Speaker 7: you get some pretty pretty brutal autopsy scenes as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: a little bit squeamish, so.

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Speaker 3: Great, Yeah, right, don't be having you don't be having

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Speaker 3: your lasagn you or your spaghetti meatballs as you're watching Scarpetter.

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Speaker 7: Exactly correct, Yes, so it doesn't go oprom that at all.

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Speaker 7: It's a it's a good show. The Myssy does intrigue

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Speaker 7: and it's suspenseful. The pace can be a bit slow,

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Speaker 7: and because of its long running prestige and all that,

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Speaker 7: you know, the Case Carpeta novels really help define that

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Speaker 7: forensic detective boom. It's not as great as I expected

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Speaker 7: with all that star power and lineage behind it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's Scarpitter, that's on Prime Video. Tell us about Crackhead.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, what a great title, right, and for a lot

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Speaker 7: of TV series, a fairly provocative one as well. As

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Speaker 7: you may have guessed from that title. The show does

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Speaker 7: deal with some pretty heavy themes, primarily drug addiction and

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Speaker 7: mental health struggles, and in that regard it can be

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Speaker 7: quite horroring viewing at times, but it's also very funny,

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Speaker 7: and it's that balance that makes it such a bingeable watch.

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Speaker 7: It's all pulled from creator and star. She's real life

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Speaker 7: experience at a rehab when she was younger, and she

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Speaker 7: brings all that authenticity to the show and with something

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Speaker 7: that was really important to her when writing it. As

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Speaker 7: follows her Kate Frankie, who goes to rehab after inadvertently

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Speaker 7: burning down her sister's house while on a booze and

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Speaker 7: drug fuel bender and you know, once you go to rehab,

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Speaker 7: you're forced to confront your demons and get clean, and

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Speaker 7: it ends up proving quite a chout environment. And it's

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Speaker 7: based on, like I said, an actual her experience in

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Speaker 7: an actual clinic. So it's a really raw look at,

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Speaker 7: you know, treatments for addiction and mental health in the country,

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Speaker 7: and it can be quite grim, but it can be

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Speaker 7: incredibly funny. And some of that humor is quite outrageous.

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Speaker 7: But that all comes together. The episodes really fly by.

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Speaker 7: They're only sort of half an hour long, and they

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Speaker 7: just grip you. And I think it's because you know,

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Speaker 7: you see those movies or shows and their creator's vision

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01:03:04,693 --> 01:03:08,293
Speaker 7: really comes through. It's got a distinctive look and tone

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Speaker 7: and style, and that's what's happening with the show.

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Speaker 3: It's just.

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Speaker 7: It has that unique voice really there. Her husband Emtt

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Speaker 7: Skelton is the director, so you can see that they

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Speaker 7: just worked together and came up with this really fast, punchy,

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Speaker 7: stylized look to the show. It just works great. So yeah,

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Speaker 7: that's a big recommend and I've found it addictive viewing.

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Speaker 3: Oh superb oh, I'm really looking forward to seeing that. Okay,

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Speaker 3: that's Crackhead that's streaming on three now. Scar Petter is

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Speaker 3: on Prime Video. We'll have all the details for those

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Speaker 3: shows up on the News Talks EDB website, and of

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Speaker 3: course you can hear more from Karl on his substack

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Speaker 3: screen crack Right now, it's twenty seven minutes to eleven.

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Speaker 5: Getting your weekends started.

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Speaker 1: It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on Newstalks EDB.

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Speaker 3: It has been twenty five years since Gorilla's first sat

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Speaker 3: the chart, so it is of course the collaboration Gorillas

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Speaker 3: is are between Damon Albarn from Blur and Jamie Hewlett

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Speaker 3: and they kind of put together a visual virtual representation

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Speaker 3: of animated gorillas for their various performances and releases. But

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Speaker 3: with twenty five years under their belt, they've just released

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Speaker 3: their ninth studio album, We're gonna have a bit of

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Speaker 3: a listening to performer day. It's called The Mountain. It's

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01:04:37,533 --> 01:04:42,053
Speaker 3: been inspired by India and apparently shaped by loss and

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Speaker 3: has collaborators both living and dead. So there's a curious

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Speaker 3: little description, isn't it. Hey, Thanks for feedback.

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Speaker 4: Jack.

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Speaker 3: Love that interview with Linley Dodd. She's so lovely and humble.

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Speaker 3: I gave my grandkids to her collection of books. I

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Speaker 3: absolutely love them. Love the bronze statues of book characters

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Speaker 3: on the toting of Waterfront as well. SS Jill best

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Speaker 3: view interview ever. Loved it, says Amanda Jack. What a

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Speaker 3: treasure to have Dame Linley on your shows. His Sheryl

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Speaker 3: Well Jack, thank you for the beautiful interview with Dame

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Speaker 3: Linley this morning. Her books are a staple in our house.

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Speaker 3: There would be very few nights that go by without

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Speaker 3: us reading about the adventures of Zachary Quack, Harry McCleary

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Speaker 3: and that rapscallion cat Slinky Malinky. Her books brings so

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Speaker 3: much joy to the whole family. Yeah it is. It

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Speaker 3: really is special, asn't I mean, that's a great example

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Speaker 3: too about what you know, how she was describing language

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Speaker 3: and having fun with words. Rapscallion. There's a great word.

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Speaker 3: There's a cracking word, isn't it rapscallion cat slinky malinky.

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Speaker 3: So much fun to read anyway, Thank you for your feedback.

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Speaker 3: Ninety two ninety two is our text number if you

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Speaker 3: want to send us some message. Twenty two minutes to eleven.

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Speaker 3: Our text books here next.

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Speaker 1: The Headlines and the Hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 8: The Willis Finance Minister back with us. We've got petrol

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Speaker 8: here and there's more on the water. We've heard all that.

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Speaker 8: Let's move the conversation forward. Are you at the point

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Speaker 8: where you've got the next lot of shipment locked in?

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Speaker 15: What we know in South Korea if they've seed, they

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Speaker 15: want to have ninety percent of domestic consumption meet before

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Speaker 15: they do. Any experts Singapore are refining lease fuel than

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Speaker 15: they typically have, so if that could create a limitation

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Speaker 15: and teacher.

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Speaker 8: What was lux on about Russian oil or South Korea

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Speaker 8: goes by? Is Russian oil? Who cares well?

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Speaker 15: Our current sanctions has focused on the refined products rather

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Speaker 15: than where the fuel stuff was received from. It wouldn't

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Speaker 15: affect New Zealand's ability to.

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Speaker 8: Oh the irony, Nikolain, What a wacky old world in

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Speaker 8: which we live. Back Monday from six am the Mic

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Speaker 8: Hosking Breakfast with a Vida Newstalk zb.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen minutes to eleven on Newstalk ZEDB. The US government

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Speaker 3: wants to be the ones who control AI regulation. Our

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Speaker 3: Textbo polstine House is here with the details This morning,

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Speaker 3: Caldas any year.

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Speaker 16: Good morning, they've put out a whole policy document Jack

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Speaker 16: seven Key object seven key objectives from the Trump White

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Speaker 16: House around AI. I'll give you the highlights. It places

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Speaker 16: a lot of responsibility on parents when it comes to

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Speaker 16: things like child safety, which I guess comes as no

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Speaker 16: surprise really and I guess also coming is no surprise.

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Speaker 16: Lays out what are basically soft and rather non binding

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Speaker 16: expectations of the platforms when it comes to accountability for

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Speaker 16: sticking to any of these regulations, again probably no surprise,

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Speaker 16: But it is interesting that the US government, federally and

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Speaker 16: centrally wants to take this on. They are saying that

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Speaker 16: the reason for that is that they want to remove

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Speaker 16: the unnecessary barriers to innovation, but they also say that

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Speaker 16: it's because of national security and foreign policy reasons. So

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Speaker 16: they really want to make sure that the innovation is there,

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Speaker 16: there are no barriers, I guess, so that they can

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Speaker 16: beat any other nation in order to make sure their

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Speaker 16: AI is the best, as we've seen with the social

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Speaker 16: media platforms over the years. There is some wording in

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Speaker 16: this framework that basically tries to take away a lot

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Speaker 16: of the control from the states, limit the amount that

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Speaker 16: the states can do, especially around keeping the AI platforms.

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Speaker 16: The AI developed is responsible for the actions the users take, right,

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Speaker 16: so if you were a user that happened to do

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Speaker 16: something bad using the data from that platform, there's some

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Speaker 16: rather large kind of liability card outs there. And they

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Speaker 16: also basically have drawn what is kind of a gray line,

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Speaker 16: the kind of a little bit of a middle ground

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Speaker 16: when it comes to copyright. They're basically leaning back on

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Speaker 16: the fair use principles when it comes to using the content.

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Speaker 16: They say that if the contents and the public domain,

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Speaker 16: if you've published it, if it's out there, we want

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Speaker 16: our AI to be the smartest and the most intelligent,

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Speaker 16: so therefore it can use it, which I'm sure will

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Speaker 16: ruffle a whole bunch of feathers.

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Speaker 3: Yes, gosh, that's going to be interesting to see. Hey,

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Speaker 3: were you a here hearing McCleary fan back in the day, of.

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Speaker 16: Course Donson's dairy man.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, go man. Now, I feel like there isn't

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Speaker 3: a New Zealand household who doesn't delight in hearing McClary. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: that name must be one of the most recognizable names

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Speaker 3: in the country. But yeah, hey, thank you, Paul. That

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Speaker 3: is very very interesting to be intriguing to see what

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Speaker 3: kind of support slash pushback they get. But, like you say,

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Speaker 3: pretty soft touch regulation from the US government at this stage.

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Speaker 3: Seventeen to eleven on Newstalk se'd b before eleven o'clock

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Speaker 3: we're in the garden. Next up, though, we have your

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Speaker 3: wine pick for this weekend.

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Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend then with Jack.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks AB.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen to eleven. Master Somalier Cameron Douglas is here with

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Speaker 3: his wine pick for this weekend. He's chosen a Mission

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Speaker 3: Reserve Cabinet Merlow twenty twenty four from Gimmick Gravels Hawks Bay,

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Speaker 3: and he's with us. Now get it, Cameron, tell us

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Speaker 3: about the wine.

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Speaker 6: Good morning, Jack, Well.

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Speaker 17: Mission of State are one of the premiere producers in

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Speaker 17: hawks Bait. They've been around for such a long time. Cabinet, Murlow, Cabinet,

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Speaker 17: Somognyon and Merlow. Cabinet's the backbone, Murlow's the cushion. The

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Speaker 17: softness in this wine. It's simply over delivered. It's a

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Speaker 17: classic blend through and through with lots of flavors of BlackBerry,

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Speaker 17: a little bit of that tobacco component that comes from

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Speaker 17: Cabinet's relationship with oak, Doris, plum olive, dried us smoky

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Speaker 17: wood components. It's a rich, core scented, fruit centric wine.

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Speaker 17: It's utterly delicious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds great. So what would you match this with?

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Speaker 3: It might be a good option as the weather starts

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Speaker 3: to cool, right.

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Speaker 17: Actually, you're quite right about that. It's people that are

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Speaker 17: sort of doing that Jamie Oliver casserole Leana meat dish.

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Speaker 17: And it's great with what I call lamb lollipops, which

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Speaker 17: are the lamb cutlet's on the bone, or something as

1277
01:10:38,853 --> 01:10:41,133
Speaker 17: simple as a shepherd's pie with mashed potato on it.

1278
01:10:41,293 --> 01:10:44,413
Speaker 17: So this is a wine that loves to wrap itself

1279
01:10:44,453 --> 01:10:51,053
Speaker 17: around the earthy flavors of meat, potato, well cooked vegetables.

1280
01:10:52,213 --> 01:10:55,413
Speaker 3: Yeah. Nice, What can you tell us about the vintage?

1281
01:10:55,453 --> 01:10:57,853
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty four was a pretty good year for Reds

1282
01:10:57,893 --> 01:10:58,773
Speaker 3: and Hawsebaar.

1283
01:10:58,453 --> 01:11:00,333
Speaker 5: Right, Oh, totally true.

1284
01:11:00,373 --> 01:11:04,653
Speaker 17: It's an excellent year, really, and it's proving itself over

1285
01:11:04,693 --> 01:11:06,173
Speaker 17: and over again with all of the wines that come

1286
01:11:06,253 --> 01:11:09,373
Speaker 17: up cross my desk at the very least lots of dry,

1287
01:11:09,613 --> 01:11:14,213
Speaker 17: warm days that cooling dianal shift in the evening just

1288
01:11:14,413 --> 01:11:17,813
Speaker 17: locks and flavor, locks in acidity, locks and tension and

1289
01:11:17,933 --> 01:11:21,133
Speaker 17: poise and a little bit of power. So by twenty

1290
01:11:21,173 --> 01:11:22,933
Speaker 17: twenty four is what I can say in this one

1291
01:11:22,933 --> 01:11:24,893
Speaker 17: for twenty five bucks over delivers.

1292
01:11:25,173 --> 01:11:28,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic, Okay, it sounds great, Thank you Cameron. It

1293
01:11:28,053 --> 01:11:31,893
Speaker 3: is a mission reserve cabinet. Merlow twenty twenty four is

1294
01:11:31,893 --> 01:11:36,013
Speaker 3: the vintage of course Gimblet Gravels Hawks Bay. The regular

1295
01:11:36,013 --> 01:11:37,933
Speaker 3: retail price is twenty five dollars and we have all

1296
01:11:37,933 --> 01:11:39,893
Speaker 3: the details for the wine up on the newsbooks He'd

1297
01:11:39,893 --> 01:11:43,733
Speaker 3: Be website. We've had so many texts and emails about

1298
01:11:43,733 --> 01:11:45,893
Speaker 3: an interview with Dame Linley Dodd this morning. I know

1299
01:11:45,973 --> 01:11:49,333
Speaker 3: I was sort of cross the line with professionalism. Really,

1300
01:11:50,373 --> 01:11:52,413
Speaker 3: it was absolutely gushing at this end. It was just

1301
01:11:52,453 --> 01:11:55,293
Speaker 3: such a such a privilege to be able to speak

1302
01:11:55,293 --> 01:11:59,853
Speaker 3: with someone who has brought so much joy to our families'

1303
01:11:59,853 --> 01:12:03,293
Speaker 3: lives and to the lives of so many people and

1304
01:12:03,333 --> 01:12:09,773
Speaker 3: families over the years. Jack regarding Linley Dodd this morning.

1305
01:12:10,253 --> 01:12:13,293
Speaker 3: I still have my original copy of Harry McCleary. It's

1306
01:12:13,333 --> 01:12:15,853
Speaker 3: been handed down by my parents when my first child

1307
01:12:15,933 --> 01:12:18,213
Speaker 3: was born. We're still collecting them all with our youngest

1308
01:12:18,253 --> 01:12:22,093
Speaker 3: getting the other arc for her fourth birthday yesterday. Thank you,

1309
01:12:22,173 --> 01:12:26,253
Speaker 3: Dame Linley for allowing us to get lost in your imagination. Yeah,

1310
01:12:26,293 --> 01:12:28,493
Speaker 3: that's it, isn't it. She does have an amazing imagination,

1311
01:12:28,573 --> 01:12:32,293
Speaker 3: And just this is something about the combination of both

1312
01:12:32,573 --> 01:12:37,013
Speaker 3: her beautiful artwork, her incredible artwork, but then the combination

1313
01:12:37,133 --> 01:12:40,933
Speaker 3: with her language skills, the rhythm of the rhymes. There's

1314
01:12:40,933 --> 01:12:43,333
Speaker 3: something kind of magic, isn't there. And I can only

1315
01:12:43,333 --> 01:12:45,453
Speaker 3: imagine that it's pretty rare you can come across a

1316
01:12:45,533 --> 01:12:49,493
Speaker 3: creator who is as skilled on the visual art side

1317
01:12:49,533 --> 01:12:52,813
Speaker 3: of things as they are with the language component. Maybe

1318
01:12:52,813 --> 01:12:56,693
Speaker 3: that's that's what makes Dame Linley Dodds so incredible. Anyway,

1319
01:12:56,693 --> 01:12:58,453
Speaker 3: thanks for you back ninety two, ninety two. If you

1320
01:12:58,493 --> 01:13:00,333
Speaker 3: want to send us a message, we are in the garden.

1321
01:13:00,373 --> 01:13:02,213
Speaker 3: Next it's eleven to eleven on newstalks.

1322
01:13:02,213 --> 01:13:06,253
Speaker 1: He'd be gardening with still sharp bottom deals on tools

1323
01:13:06,413 --> 01:13:07,053
Speaker 1: built right.

1324
01:13:07,813 --> 01:13:10,853
Speaker 3: Rude climb past is our men in the garden. Good

1325
01:13:10,933 --> 01:13:13,533
Speaker 3: morning sir, Good morning Jack.

1326
01:13:13,613 --> 01:13:16,173
Speaker 2: And yes he is in the garden apart from getting

1327
01:13:16,253 --> 01:13:18,373
Speaker 2: rid of a lot of junk and wood and all that,

1328
01:13:18,493 --> 01:13:21,533
Speaker 2: but also got some work to do, some work to do.

1329
01:13:21,613 --> 01:13:24,013
Speaker 3: With you certainly do. Oh this is the time to

1330
01:13:24,053 --> 01:13:24,853
Speaker 3: get cracking, isn't it.

1331
01:13:25,773 --> 01:13:27,973
Speaker 2: It is actually, to be quite honest, it's the time

1332
01:13:28,053 --> 01:13:30,893
Speaker 2: to do some to do some bulbs and corns as

1333
01:13:30,933 --> 01:13:33,333
Speaker 2: I call them, you know, things that we quite often

1334
01:13:33,413 --> 01:13:33,973
Speaker 2: have later on.

1335
01:13:35,773 --> 01:13:41,293
Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't have tulips at home. In fact,

1336
01:13:41,373 --> 01:13:43,973
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, I'm embarrassed to say I actually have.

1337
01:13:44,533 --> 01:13:46,853
Speaker 3: I grow very few flowers. But I think now is

1338
01:13:46,893 --> 01:13:49,693
Speaker 3: the time to start growing some more flowers. My sister

1339
01:13:49,893 --> 01:13:53,893
Speaker 3: is an excellent flower grow In fact, she actually sells

1340
01:13:54,573 --> 01:13:57,093
Speaker 3: bunches of flowers from a little honesty box outside her

1341
01:13:57,133 --> 01:13:59,173
Speaker 3: place because she grows so many flowers. But no, I

1342
01:13:59,453 --> 01:14:01,333
Speaker 3: haven't really grown heaps. I just have sort of hygd

1343
01:14:01,413 --> 01:14:03,853
Speaker 3: rangers and that kind of thing. But now I'm looking

1344
01:14:03,893 --> 01:14:05,893
Speaker 3: to expand so very happy to do that.

1345
01:14:07,013 --> 01:14:09,533
Speaker 2: That is that the famous the famous place where you

1346
01:14:09,573 --> 01:14:10,933
Speaker 2: can buy these things in Nelson.

1347
01:14:11,933 --> 01:14:15,573
Speaker 3: Yes, that's it. That's one media there you go.

1348
01:14:15,733 --> 01:14:19,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's difficult, isn't it. Anyway? If you really Julie

1349
01:14:19,093 --> 01:14:20,933
Speaker 2: actually just called me when you said that we're going

1350
01:14:21,013 --> 01:14:24,773
Speaker 2: to do things like like bulbs and all that, He says,

1351
01:14:24,813 --> 01:14:27,173
Speaker 2: don't forget to tell them that you've got to keep

1352
01:14:27,253 --> 01:14:33,013
Speaker 2: them under control for eight weeks and chilled conditions. That's difficult,

1353
01:14:33,053 --> 01:14:36,293
Speaker 2: isn't it. So that starts yeah, eight weeks, that's good

1354
01:14:36,333 --> 01:14:40,453
Speaker 2: for especially Abnoll's Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, so so well,

1355
01:14:40,573 --> 01:14:43,293
Speaker 2: I've got all this stuff, of course on the website.

1356
01:14:43,373 --> 01:14:45,533
Speaker 2: But I always like to tell you the story about

1357
01:14:45,533 --> 01:14:48,693
Speaker 2: the sixteen hundreds when the Dutch where he found out

1358
01:14:48,773 --> 01:14:51,853
Speaker 2: that if you do if you do tulips with viruses,

1359
01:14:52,333 --> 01:14:56,813
Speaker 2: you can actually get really strange looking, beautiful, beautiful bulbs.

1360
01:14:57,333 --> 01:15:00,093
Speaker 2: And those things used to be sold for something like

1361
01:15:00,813 --> 01:15:05,613
Speaker 2: all three thousand florins per bulb. That is a heck

1362
01:15:05,693 --> 01:15:09,813
Speaker 2: of a lot of Yeah, sixteen hundreds, that's can you

1363
01:15:09,893 --> 01:15:13,253
Speaker 2: that's a skilled craftsman in those days only got three

1364
01:15:13,373 --> 01:15:17,333
Speaker 2: hundred florence if you're like per year, isn't that amazing?

1365
01:15:17,493 --> 01:15:21,133
Speaker 3: It is absurd? Yes, one of the past. Yeah, that's

1366
01:15:21,133 --> 01:15:25,653
Speaker 3: great us. Yeah, yeah, that's the Dutch for you anyway.

1367
01:15:25,733 --> 01:15:27,973
Speaker 2: So, yes, they grow well in the South Island and

1368
01:15:28,253 --> 01:15:31,893
Speaker 2: very cool winters, but they do need winter chilling for

1369
01:15:32,093 --> 01:15:34,373
Speaker 2: eight weeks when you put them in the fridge, and

1370
01:15:34,533 --> 01:15:37,733
Speaker 2: in mild climates it's placed to plant later in the year,

1371
01:15:37,853 --> 01:15:40,213
Speaker 2: say May or June. So but it's getting there so

1372
01:15:40,653 --> 01:15:42,613
Speaker 2: you can order them now. And I think that is

1373
01:15:42,693 --> 01:15:44,853
Speaker 2: a really important thing to do because there's so many

1374
01:15:44,893 --> 01:15:49,253
Speaker 2: species around the other thing that we have is Narcissus

1375
01:15:49,653 --> 01:15:54,853
Speaker 2: or Narcissi or narcissusus. Oh, I don't know anyway, forty

1376
01:15:56,053 --> 01:15:58,893
Speaker 2: they they have roots that go way down. Have you

1377
01:15:58,973 --> 01:16:00,173
Speaker 2: got Narcissus in the god?

1378
01:16:00,293 --> 01:16:00,813
Speaker 7: No, you need to.

1379
01:16:02,493 --> 01:16:05,733
Speaker 3: Depth, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I don't,

1380
01:16:05,893 --> 01:16:08,173
Speaker 3: I don't. I mean, this would be a great way

1381
01:16:08,213 --> 01:16:10,093
Speaker 3: to bring a bit of christ Church back to my place.

1382
01:16:10,933 --> 01:16:13,133
Speaker 2: Yes, Hagley Park, remember.

1383
01:16:13,013 --> 01:16:15,253
Speaker 3: I know, Well, I don't need to remember every time

1384
01:16:15,253 --> 01:16:17,493
Speaker 3: I'm down there in spring it's for splendid. That's how

1385
01:16:17,533 --> 01:16:18,493
Speaker 3: you know, spring and sprung.

1386
01:16:19,493 --> 01:16:22,813
Speaker 2: There you go. So there this is again, this is

1387
01:16:22,853 --> 01:16:25,133
Speaker 2: what you do right now. That's the other one. And

1388
01:16:25,293 --> 01:16:27,013
Speaker 2: the last one I was going to talk to you

1389
01:16:27,053 --> 01:16:30,213
Speaker 2: about is loco um, which is a plant that not many,

1390
01:16:30,373 --> 01:16:32,973
Speaker 2: you know, like New Zealander's gardeners will know what it is.

1391
01:16:33,733 --> 01:16:35,413
Speaker 2: But it's a thing that I used to know from

1392
01:16:35,493 --> 01:16:38,253
Speaker 2: the Netherlands. We call it the snowflakes in those days,

1393
01:16:38,933 --> 01:16:42,293
Speaker 2: and it's a really lovely, little, tiny white flower with

1394
01:16:42,413 --> 01:16:45,333
Speaker 2: some green dots on it, on stuff like that, and

1395
01:16:45,453 --> 01:16:47,853
Speaker 2: they had this very special place in my heart because

1396
01:16:47,973 --> 01:16:50,453
Speaker 2: where I would do bird watching as a twelve year

1397
01:16:50,493 --> 01:16:53,413
Speaker 2: old fourteen year old, I saw them because they were

1398
01:16:53,533 --> 01:16:57,933
Speaker 2: a really rare and endangered native species in the Netherlands.

1399
01:16:59,053 --> 01:17:02,213
Speaker 2: And here comes the thing. They flower in spring, so

1400
01:17:02,773 --> 01:17:06,013
Speaker 2: this is best if you like, put into the soil

1401
01:17:06,733 --> 01:17:09,493
Speaker 2: in early April, and that is the time to get

1402
01:17:09,533 --> 01:17:12,133
Speaker 2: you logoing, and you'd love them very good.

1403
01:17:12,373 --> 01:17:14,813
Speaker 3: I hate you. You know that you and I together

1404
01:17:14,893 --> 01:17:17,133
Speaker 3: have sort of become the one stop shop for all

1405
01:17:17,213 --> 01:17:21,333
Speaker 3: things pomegranate related in New Zealand. Now you know what happened, right, Oh,

1406
01:17:21,733 --> 01:17:24,973
Speaker 3: I've known it, so it's realized. I'm really pleased we've

1407
01:17:25,013 --> 01:17:28,373
Speaker 3: sort of become the pomegranate one stop shop. And so

1408
01:17:28,413 --> 01:17:30,053
Speaker 3: I've got an email from Robert who's just sent me

1409
01:17:30,093 --> 01:17:34,093
Speaker 3: an email this week with a photograph of his pomegranate tree.

1410
01:17:34,133 --> 01:17:36,813
Speaker 3: He said, it's taken just on fifteen years for our

1411
01:17:36,853 --> 01:17:39,853
Speaker 3: pomegranate tree and Parmeston North to set fruit, and only

1412
01:17:40,053 --> 01:17:43,253
Speaker 3: one over the years that's flowered profusely. We had decided

1413
01:17:43,253 --> 01:17:45,773
Speaker 3: it was just an ornamental variety, but this year we

1414
01:17:45,933 --> 01:17:49,013
Speaker 3: got our first ever fruit another month or so, Togo,

1415
01:17:49,173 --> 01:17:50,813
Speaker 3: hopefully it'll be right. And he sent me through a

1416
01:17:50,853 --> 01:17:52,813
Speaker 3: photo it looks very much like the pomegranate at our place.

1417
01:17:52,853 --> 01:17:56,013
Speaker 3: So there you go. I think it's a phenomenon with them.

1418
01:17:56,053 --> 01:17:57,493
Speaker 3: I think that you just get maybe you just get

1419
01:17:57,573 --> 01:17:59,813
Speaker 3: one the first year when it finally does fruit. So

1420
01:18:00,053 --> 01:18:02,213
Speaker 3: he's hoping. Anyway, we will check in each week and

1421
01:18:02,413 --> 01:18:04,613
Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll have more pomegranate yarns this year.

1422
01:18:04,893 --> 01:18:07,493
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the key, this shind of stuff. You go,

1423
01:18:08,053 --> 01:18:09,573
Speaker 2: you remember, we'll talk about it next week.

1424
01:18:09,893 --> 01:18:12,013
Speaker 3: It sounds good to take care road climb past in

1425
01:18:12,093 --> 01:18:15,893
Speaker 3: the garden. All of those varietal recommendations will be up

1426
01:18:15,933 --> 01:18:17,933
Speaker 3: on the news talks. We have so long with everything

1427
01:18:17,973 --> 01:18:20,213
Speaker 3: from our show after eleven o'clock, your book picks for

1428
01:18:20,293 --> 01:18:23,773
Speaker 3: this weekend. Plus we're gonna have a listen to Gorilla's

1429
01:18:24,013 --> 01:18:26,973
Speaker 3: brand new album The Mountain. It's almost news time. It's

1430
01:18:26,973 --> 01:18:29,893
Speaker 3: almost eleven Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tame. This is News

1431
01:18:29,973 --> 01:18:30,453
Speaker 3: talks Ed.

1432
01:18:30,493 --> 01:18:35,133
Speaker 1: Be's Saturday Morning with Jack dam keeping the conversation going

1433
01:18:35,293 --> 01:18:37,093
Speaker 1: through the weekend news talks ed.

1434
01:18:37,093 --> 01:19:03,893
Speaker 3: Be more MORENNA. If you're just joining us, this morning.

1435
01:19:03,933 --> 01:19:06,453
Speaker 3: It is so good to have you. It is oh

1436
01:19:06,613 --> 01:19:08,293
Speaker 3: good Jack taying with you through them a day on

1437
01:19:08,453 --> 01:19:12,053
Speaker 3: news talks, he'd be my goodness. Synphony tonight is going

1438
01:19:12,133 --> 01:19:17,093
Speaker 3: to be huge. They're expecting thirty five thousand and Aucklands

1439
01:19:17,453 --> 01:19:19,813
Speaker 3: Demain this evening for the big show. And I just

1440
01:19:19,933 --> 01:19:23,573
Speaker 3: had not appreciated the extent to which Synthhony has grown.

1441
01:19:23,693 --> 01:19:26,893
Speaker 3: So they're now expecting to appear in like I think,

1442
01:19:27,013 --> 01:19:30,733
Speaker 3: forty to fifty locations around this around the world this year.

1443
01:19:31,653 --> 01:19:35,693
Speaker 3: They were in twelve European locations last year. But they're

1444
01:19:35,733 --> 01:19:38,853
Speaker 3: going to you know, they're going all around Germany to Frankfurt,

1445
01:19:38,973 --> 01:19:42,333
Speaker 3: to Hamburg, to Berlin, to Munich. They're in Paris, they're

1446
01:19:42,373 --> 01:19:46,253
Speaker 3: in Vienna, They're in Amsterdam, Prague, Barcelona, They're going to

1447
01:19:46,373 --> 01:19:50,253
Speaker 3: London for the first time. But tonight should be an

1448
01:19:50,333 --> 01:19:54,733
Speaker 3: incredible event. It really should. I see poor old David

1449
01:19:54,773 --> 01:19:56,933
Speaker 3: Higgins and the Duco team though, were saying they are

1450
01:19:57,053 --> 01:19:59,333
Speaker 3: really feeling the petrol pinch at the moment, because you

1451
01:19:59,333 --> 01:20:01,133
Speaker 3: can imagine when you have a show with thirty five

1452
01:20:01,173 --> 01:20:04,173
Speaker 3: thousand people coming, even though you might be hoping that

1453
01:20:04,973 --> 01:20:08,053
Speaker 3: the electricity supply remain stable, you need to have a

1454
01:20:08,093 --> 01:20:10,133
Speaker 3: whole lot of generators running, and you need a whole

1455
01:20:10,133 --> 01:20:12,093
Speaker 3: lot of backup generators for a whole lot of things.

1456
01:20:12,133 --> 01:20:15,773
Speaker 3: But filling all of those backup generators this week has

1457
01:20:15,893 --> 01:20:20,173
Speaker 3: just been preposterously expensive, way more expensive than they would

1458
01:20:20,213 --> 01:20:23,373
Speaker 3: have budgeted for. So very much hoping that things go

1459
01:20:23,573 --> 01:20:26,853
Speaker 3: okay for the crew at Symphony this evening. If you're

1460
01:20:26,853 --> 01:20:29,213
Speaker 3: heading along to Auckland's domain, let me know how you go.

1461
01:20:29,333 --> 01:20:31,413
Speaker 3: I met a couple at the airport yesterday who were

1462
01:20:31,933 --> 01:20:34,573
Speaker 3: coming up from Wellington, very very excited for the show,

1463
01:20:34,613 --> 01:20:36,093
Speaker 3: and I'm sure there are people from right around the

1464
01:20:36,133 --> 01:20:37,853
Speaker 3: country because the thing with Synthony is it seems to

1465
01:20:37,893 --> 01:20:41,893
Speaker 3: break down the age differences right There's something for everyone

1466
01:20:42,053 --> 01:20:45,173
Speaker 3: of all generations to enjoy. So that should be an

1467
01:20:45,213 --> 01:20:48,413
Speaker 3: absolutely cracking event this evening, now before midday on news

1468
01:20:48,453 --> 01:20:50,293
Speaker 3: talks here, But we've got new music for you. They

1469
01:20:50,333 --> 01:20:52,853
Speaker 3: aren't playing Synthony, but it is going to be worth

1470
01:20:52,893 --> 01:20:56,293
Speaker 3: a listen. It's a new album from Gorillas, them of

1471
01:20:56,613 --> 01:21:00,853
Speaker 3: feel Good fame, and the album draws on a whole

1472
01:21:01,253 --> 01:21:05,213
Speaker 3: range of kind of curious inspirations. So our music reviewer

1473
01:21:05,253 --> 01:21:07,413
Speaker 3: has picked out a couple of tracks and we will

1474
01:21:07,453 --> 01:21:10,013
Speaker 3: play you some of the mountain before twelve o'clock. As

1475
01:21:10,053 --> 01:21:12,013
Speaker 3: well as that. We've got your book picks for this weekend,

1476
01:21:12,093 --> 01:21:17,093
Speaker 3: and our travel correspondent has his top trails and treats

1477
01:21:17,413 --> 01:21:20,053
Speaker 3: in Topoor when he joins us shortly right now, though

1478
01:21:20,053 --> 01:21:24,413
Speaker 3: it is nine minutes past eleven, Jack Team Google Sutherland

1479
01:21:24,413 --> 01:21:26,613
Speaker 3: from Umbrella well Being is here with us this morning,

1480
01:21:26,693 --> 01:21:27,533
Speaker 3: Kilder Google.

1481
01:21:27,893 --> 01:21:29,573
Speaker 6: Curder Jack, Nice to have you in the Capitol with

1482
01:21:29,693 --> 01:21:30,213
Speaker 6: us for the week.

1483
01:21:30,373 --> 01:21:33,333
Speaker 3: Yes, it's so good to be here, delight to be here.

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01:21:33,373 --> 01:21:35,733
Speaker 6: I mean we've sort of turned the weather on about

1485
01:21:35,773 --> 01:21:38,253
Speaker 6: as well as Wellington ever turns the weather on for anybody.

1486
01:21:38,613 --> 01:21:40,893
Speaker 3: Yes, fourteen degrees or something, as.

1487
01:21:42,693 --> 01:21:45,013
Speaker 6: It's not blowing a tornado exactly.

1488
01:21:45,333 --> 01:21:46,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there you go.

1489
01:21:46,653 --> 01:21:48,093
Speaker 6: You've got a good weekend.

1490
01:21:48,533 --> 01:21:50,253
Speaker 3: I know that, I know that Wellington's had a bit

1491
01:21:50,253 --> 01:21:52,213
Speaker 3: of a rough time of late, but I have always

1492
01:21:52,333 --> 01:21:54,973
Speaker 3: had a real softwall for Wellington. I like cities with character,

1493
01:21:55,333 --> 01:21:58,133
Speaker 3: and I feel like Wellington is a city with character.

1494
01:21:58,493 --> 01:22:01,733
Speaker 3: Now it is easier sometimes to love to love Wellington's

1495
01:22:01,773 --> 01:22:04,253
Speaker 3: character when you're yeah there for you know, five hours

1496
01:22:04,253 --> 01:22:07,373
Speaker 3: at a time and not battling this oly day after day,

1497
01:22:07,453 --> 01:22:10,253
Speaker 3: but no, no, it is very nice to be here. Hey,

1498
01:22:10,573 --> 01:22:13,493
Speaker 3: y Umbrella has just released it in your report, right,

1499
01:22:13,733 --> 01:22:16,453
Speaker 3: you do this huge study every year into the state

1500
01:22:16,493 --> 01:22:18,533
Speaker 3: of health and well being and workplaces, so just give

1501
01:22:18,613 --> 01:22:19,373
Speaker 3: us a bit of background.

1502
01:22:20,093 --> 01:22:23,013
Speaker 6: Yeah, so this is about the third or fourth time

1503
01:22:23,053 --> 01:22:25,573
Speaker 6: I think we've done an annual report and that we

1504
01:22:26,533 --> 01:22:28,333
Speaker 6: organizations come to us and say, hey, look, we really

1505
01:22:28,333 --> 01:22:30,773
Speaker 6: want to look at the health and wellbeing of our people,

1506
01:22:30,853 --> 01:22:32,613
Speaker 6: and we run a big survey with them. So we've

1507
01:22:32,893 --> 01:22:35,853
Speaker 6: over the past couple of years have surveyed eleven thousand people,

1508
01:22:35,893 --> 01:22:37,373
Speaker 6: which is quite a lot when you think about it,

1509
01:22:37,973 --> 01:22:41,573
Speaker 6: across more than thirty different organizations and just really getting

1510
01:22:41,653 --> 01:22:45,293
Speaker 6: a gauge on you know, their staff and how they're feeling,

1511
01:22:45,413 --> 01:22:47,853
Speaker 6: and how the organization is feeling. And then we try

1512
01:22:47,893 --> 01:22:50,373
Speaker 6: to pick out something that we think will be of

1513
01:22:50,493 --> 01:22:54,373
Speaker 6: interest or relevance to just everyday people and you know,

1514
01:22:54,733 --> 01:22:56,813
Speaker 6: and use that as as something to talk about, really

1515
01:22:56,853 --> 01:22:59,973
Speaker 6: about because we're keen on keeping people happy and well

1516
01:23:00,053 --> 01:23:02,773
Speaker 6: in their workplace. That's our whole it's our whole deal, really,

1517
01:23:02,893 --> 01:23:05,853
Speaker 6: and we know that the happier, the weller. I don't

1518
01:23:05,853 --> 01:23:08,693
Speaker 6: think that's the weller that people are in the workplace,

1519
01:23:08,773 --> 01:23:11,253
Speaker 6: the bear they work, and you know, it's it's it's

1520
01:23:11,373 --> 01:23:14,213
Speaker 6: it's good for everybody. So yeah, so this this year

1521
01:23:14,253 --> 01:23:16,613
Speaker 6: we were looking at that. Often we hear people say, oh,

1522
01:23:16,653 --> 01:23:19,653
Speaker 6: we're we're just looking at the physical health and safety

1523
01:23:19,773 --> 01:23:22,013
Speaker 6: risks at work and slips, strips and falls, and we

1524
01:23:22,613 --> 01:23:24,853
Speaker 6: won't look at the mental health stuff just yet. And

1525
01:23:25,253 --> 01:23:27,533
Speaker 6: I guess what we wanted to point out this time is, hey,

1526
01:23:27,613 --> 01:23:30,493
Speaker 6: these two are these two are intermingled. That you know,

1527
01:23:30,613 --> 01:23:34,253
Speaker 6: what you do physically affects what you how you experienced mentally,

1528
01:23:34,333 --> 01:23:37,773
Speaker 6: and what you what your mental health influences your behavior,

1529
01:23:37,813 --> 01:23:41,053
Speaker 6: and the two aren't separate. And so we we thought

1530
01:23:41,053 --> 01:23:43,213
Speaker 6: we'd pick out some you know, some key points from

1531
01:23:43,253 --> 01:23:45,493
Speaker 6: that just to sort of get a conversation going as

1532
01:23:45,573 --> 01:23:45,933
Speaker 6: much as.

1533
01:23:45,973 --> 01:23:47,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do that there. So so run us through

1534
01:23:48,093 --> 01:23:49,813
Speaker 3: some of the key findings from the survey.

1535
01:23:50,773 --> 01:23:53,653
Speaker 6: Yeah, so what we we found that more than half

1536
01:23:53,853 --> 01:23:57,693
Speaker 6: the workplaces that we surveyed were said they were looking

1537
01:23:57,693 --> 01:24:01,973
Speaker 6: they were struggling to manage their staff well being and health.

1538
01:24:02,133 --> 01:24:04,053
Speaker 6: So they they knew that it was an issue, but

1539
01:24:04,133 --> 01:24:05,973
Speaker 6: they didn't they didn't really know what to do, and

1540
01:24:06,013 --> 01:24:09,253
Speaker 6: they kind of understood that having happy, healthy people at

1541
01:24:09,293 --> 01:24:12,613
Speaker 6: work was good for good for business, good for productivity,

1542
01:24:12,693 --> 01:24:14,893
Speaker 6: good for people. So but they were still kind of

1543
01:24:14,933 --> 01:24:17,373
Speaker 6: not sure what to do. And we found that when

1544
01:24:17,413 --> 01:24:20,173
Speaker 6: we sort of drilled down, about a quarter of people

1545
01:24:20,293 --> 01:24:24,573
Speaker 6: that we surveyed were experiencing high all very high levels

1546
01:24:24,613 --> 01:24:28,133
Speaker 6: of distress. And those are things like anxiety and depression.

1547
01:24:29,133 --> 01:24:31,493
Speaker 6: And because of our clever people in the background, we

1548
01:24:31,533 --> 01:24:33,493
Speaker 6: could drill down even further and look at what of this,

1549
01:24:33,693 --> 01:24:36,933
Speaker 6: what were some of the things contributing to those and

1550
01:24:37,493 --> 01:24:39,933
Speaker 6: they were a mixture of like personal what you might

1551
01:24:40,013 --> 01:24:43,413
Speaker 6: call personal factors and work factors. So a lot of

1552
01:24:43,493 --> 01:24:47,533
Speaker 6: people are not getting enough sleep, a lot of people

1553
01:24:47,733 --> 01:24:50,293
Speaker 6: are not getting enough downtime, and are not able to

1554
01:24:50,373 --> 01:24:55,293
Speaker 6: eat as or to sustain a really balanced diet. And

1555
01:24:55,493 --> 01:24:59,413
Speaker 6: those things are really attribute contributing to their to their

1556
01:24:59,533 --> 01:25:01,413
Speaker 6: to their well being and their mental health. And that's,

1557
01:25:01,773 --> 01:25:04,773
Speaker 6: you know, and those are things primarily in somebody an

1558
01:25:04,813 --> 01:25:07,813
Speaker 6: individual's control. But there were also things in the workplace,

1559
01:25:08,053 --> 01:25:11,813
Speaker 6: like bully and harassment in the workplace or having a

1560
01:25:11,893 --> 01:25:15,493
Speaker 6: high workload. We're also big contributors. So it shows that

1561
01:25:15,573 --> 01:25:17,853
Speaker 6: there's sort of a you know, none of us bring

1562
01:25:18,013 --> 01:25:21,333
Speaker 6: to take off our home heads and park them at

1563
01:25:21,333 --> 01:25:24,453
Speaker 6: the door when we go to work. And you know,

1564
01:25:24,573 --> 01:25:27,293
Speaker 6: we bring stuff from work with us. Sorry, we bring

1565
01:25:27,333 --> 01:25:30,413
Speaker 6: stuff from home with us to work, and vice versa.

1566
01:25:30,493 --> 01:25:32,773
Speaker 6: We bring stuff from work home with us as well.

1567
01:25:33,653 --> 01:25:35,093
Speaker 6: And so we're trying to break down the sort of

1568
01:25:35,173 --> 01:25:39,893
Speaker 6: artificial distinction between home and work and between mental and

1569
01:25:40,013 --> 01:25:43,053
Speaker 6: physical health and just looking at people as whole people.

1570
01:25:43,133 --> 01:25:46,173
Speaker 3: Really, so, what can an employer do for something like

1571
01:25:46,293 --> 01:25:50,573
Speaker 3: that where employees aren't getting enough sleep for example, or

1572
01:25:50,733 --> 01:25:52,733
Speaker 3: you know, have a poor diet or something like that.

1573
01:25:53,013 --> 01:25:55,613
Speaker 3: Are there really many leaders that employers can actually pull.

1574
01:25:56,333 --> 01:25:59,973
Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, I think that's a good question. There may

1575
01:26:00,093 --> 01:26:02,253
Speaker 6: not be, but equally then may and I think it's

1576
01:26:02,253 --> 01:26:04,213
Speaker 6: an easy excuse to go, oh, there's nothing we can

1577
01:26:04,253 --> 01:26:06,333
Speaker 6: do that's you know, that's about them. But yeah, you know,

1578
01:26:06,573 --> 01:26:09,493
Speaker 6: if you have shift workers, for example, we know that

1579
01:26:10,013 --> 01:26:13,173
Speaker 6: for example, night shifts are really in the long term,

1580
01:26:13,293 --> 01:26:16,453
Speaker 6: really bad for people's physical and mental health. It's a

1581
01:26:16,573 --> 01:26:20,693
Speaker 6: real that they can have a really big effect on

1582
01:26:20,813 --> 01:26:24,373
Speaker 6: people's well being. And so you know, looking at what

1583
01:26:24,453 --> 01:26:27,493
Speaker 6: they're doing around shift work, are people not sleeping because

1584
01:26:27,493 --> 01:26:29,973
Speaker 6: they're so stressed out about work? You know, I think

1585
01:26:30,013 --> 01:26:31,893
Speaker 6: a lot of people come home and they can't sleep

1586
01:26:31,933 --> 01:26:34,373
Speaker 6: at night because they're tossing and turning about work and

1587
01:26:34,773 --> 01:26:36,493
Speaker 6: it will they have a job and you know, how's

1588
01:26:36,533 --> 01:26:38,533
Speaker 6: productivity going and all that kind of thing and so

1589
01:26:39,613 --> 01:26:42,373
Speaker 6: and that's you know, somewhat at least in control of

1590
01:26:43,053 --> 01:26:43,773
Speaker 6: a workplace.

1591
01:26:44,293 --> 01:26:44,453
Speaker 5: Yea.

1592
01:26:45,933 --> 01:26:49,693
Speaker 6: So and often you know, if you think about logging

1593
01:26:49,773 --> 01:26:54,013
Speaker 6: companies or transport companies, sleep's obviously really crucial for those

1594
01:26:54,293 --> 01:26:57,053
Speaker 6: For those organizations, of course, because you don't want you know,

1595
01:26:57,133 --> 01:26:59,693
Speaker 6: you don't want your truck drivers falling asleep at the wheel.

1596
01:27:00,853 --> 01:27:02,573
Speaker 6: And so that you know, I know a number of

1597
01:27:02,613 --> 01:27:04,493
Speaker 6: transport companies are looking at things that they can do

1598
01:27:04,613 --> 01:27:08,373
Speaker 6: to support their staff to actually understand and get us

1599
01:27:08,653 --> 01:27:12,173
Speaker 6: get into some good sleep habits and sleep patterns, because

1600
01:27:12,573 --> 01:27:15,653
Speaker 6: that's that's great for safety, it's great for people's well being.

1601
01:27:15,773 --> 01:27:18,893
Speaker 6: So I think it involves you know, organizations and businesses

1602
01:27:18,933 --> 01:27:20,973
Speaker 6: having a think about is what is what can we do?

1603
01:27:21,133 --> 01:27:23,293
Speaker 6: Is there anything that we are contributing to this that

1604
01:27:23,413 --> 01:27:25,013
Speaker 6: we can then help people.

1605
01:27:24,853 --> 01:27:28,373
Speaker 3: With and do you find there's still a lot of

1606
01:27:28,453 --> 01:27:31,933
Speaker 3: resistance from workplaces who say, well, you know, this is

1607
01:27:32,053 --> 01:27:35,493
Speaker 3: all nice and good and maybe a little bit wooly

1608
01:27:35,653 --> 01:27:39,933
Speaker 3: in theory, but actually yeah, and that they perhaps don't

1609
01:27:39,973 --> 01:27:43,453
Speaker 3: appreciate that the better off their employees are, whether it's

1610
01:27:43,453 --> 01:27:47,133
Speaker 3: physical or mental health, generally, the more productive are.

1611
01:27:48,333 --> 01:27:50,053
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know what you mean. You know, people go,

1612
01:27:50,213 --> 01:27:51,493
Speaker 6: it's all about woo woo, isn't it.

1613
01:27:51,613 --> 01:27:53,973
Speaker 18: Oh, you know, it's about as long as we've got

1614
01:27:54,013 --> 01:27:56,773
Speaker 18: hard hats on, that's you know that we're all right.

1615
01:27:57,413 --> 01:28:00,733
Speaker 18: And I think there's been a gradual change and we're

1616
01:28:00,773 --> 01:28:02,893
Speaker 18: sort of in the middle of a real change in

1617
01:28:03,533 --> 01:28:07,173
Speaker 18: feeling around that. And you know, so organizations, a lot

1618
01:28:07,213 --> 01:28:10,453
Speaker 18: of organizations and industries are now realizing that it's a

1619
01:28:10,493 --> 01:28:12,653
Speaker 18: big problem for them, we know, you know, mates and

1620
01:28:12,733 --> 01:28:15,093
Speaker 18: construction to heaps of really good work in the building

1621
01:28:15,573 --> 01:28:19,373
Speaker 18: area because they have some pretty pretty, you know, pretty

1622
01:28:19,693 --> 01:28:24,493
Speaker 18: dramatic figures around mental health problems in that workforce, and

1623
01:28:24,573 --> 01:28:27,813
Speaker 18: they're coming to realize that, hey, that's actually, that's actually

1624
01:28:27,853 --> 01:28:28,613
Speaker 18: something we need.

1625
01:28:28,533 --> 01:28:31,573
Speaker 6: To look at. So I think there's a growing realization

1626
01:28:33,013 --> 01:28:35,493
Speaker 6: and and you know, some organizations are really into it

1627
01:28:35,573 --> 01:28:37,733
Speaker 6: and some are just new to the to the area

1628
01:28:37,893 --> 01:28:40,333
Speaker 6: and that that's okay. You know, it all starts with

1629
01:28:40,413 --> 01:28:43,213
Speaker 6: awareness and understanding and I guess that's what we were

1630
01:28:43,253 --> 01:28:45,333
Speaker 6: hoping to do, is to say, hey, look, we just

1631
01:28:45,493 --> 01:28:47,853
Speaker 6: encourage you to think about this stuff. If you're running

1632
01:28:47,893 --> 01:28:51,573
Speaker 6: a business, you know, think about health and safety and

1633
01:28:51,653 --> 01:28:53,933
Speaker 6: well being in a really broad sense. Don't just focus

1634
01:28:53,973 --> 01:28:55,973
Speaker 6: on the slips, trips and walls. And if you if

1635
01:28:56,013 --> 01:28:57,613
Speaker 6: you've got a first aid kit and if you can

1636
01:28:57,693 --> 01:29:00,533
Speaker 6: prevent it, that's way better than having to patch people

1637
01:29:00,613 --> 01:29:02,133
Speaker 6: up after they've been hurt.

1638
01:29:03,733 --> 01:29:06,573
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Doogle, Thanks nat chat as per,

1639
01:29:06,933 --> 01:29:09,213
Speaker 3: and well done on the survey. It's got a huge

1640
01:29:09,493 --> 01:29:12,333
Speaker 3: I mean the huge response. Eleven thousand people thirty three

1641
01:29:12,373 --> 01:29:14,933
Speaker 3: workplaces over the last couple of years. That is very impressive. Indeed,

1642
01:29:15,213 --> 01:29:19,413
Speaker 3: Google Sutherland is a clinical psychologist of course, with Umbrella Wellbeing.

1643
01:29:19,653 --> 01:29:21,493
Speaker 3: I'll get to more of your feedback in a couple

1644
01:29:21,533 --> 01:29:24,133
Speaker 3: of minutes, and our travel correspondent will be in very shortly.

1645
01:29:24,253 --> 01:29:28,373
Speaker 3: Right now, there's seventeen minutes past eleven on newstalksz'db travel.

1646
01:29:28,133 --> 01:29:31,173
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1647
01:29:31,053 --> 01:29:34,293
Speaker 3: Book now Mike Guardley's our travel correspondent.

1648
01:29:34,333 --> 01:29:34,893
Speaker 6: Good morning to.

1649
01:29:35,893 --> 01:29:37,613
Speaker 19: Good morning Jack, and now I hope you will be

1650
01:29:37,773 --> 01:29:42,013
Speaker 19: contributing immensely to the capital's economy while you were there.

1651
01:29:42,333 --> 01:29:46,053
Speaker 3: Ah, you know me, Well, yes, no, I mean to

1652
01:29:46,133 --> 01:29:48,613
Speaker 3: be fair, I have actually been here a couple of

1653
01:29:48,693 --> 01:29:51,373
Speaker 3: times this week. Such as the nature of my job.

1654
01:29:51,453 --> 01:29:54,893
Speaker 3: I know, I know, with jet fuel prices as they

1655
01:29:54,933 --> 01:29:57,333
Speaker 3: are right now, it's a shocking thing. But no, I'm

1656
01:29:57,373 --> 01:30:01,613
Speaker 3: always I never need to be pushed too hard to

1657
01:30:01,973 --> 01:30:06,293
Speaker 3: enjoy in the various caulinary options in the Capitol. Yeah.

1658
01:30:06,453 --> 01:30:08,493
Speaker 3: So now I'll be enjoying myself this weekend. But it

1659
01:30:08,573 --> 01:30:09,733
Speaker 3: must be said, I've got to save a bit of

1660
01:30:09,813 --> 01:30:13,253
Speaker 3: room for my mother in law's horash because it's the

1661
01:30:13,333 --> 01:30:17,613
Speaker 3: Iranian New Year. It's it's it's like a Persian casseroles,

1662
01:30:17,653 --> 01:30:21,053
Speaker 3: basically Iranian castles. Yeah. Is the name is the kind

1663
01:30:21,093 --> 01:30:23,493
Speaker 3: of all encompassing name. So I'm sure we'll be having

1664
01:30:23,533 --> 01:30:25,653
Speaker 3: somers this afternoon or something like that.

1665
01:30:25,893 --> 01:30:29,653
Speaker 19: Yeah, very nice. So is that something they would typically

1666
01:30:29,853 --> 01:30:31,453
Speaker 19: eat to celebrate New Year?

1667
01:30:32,053 --> 01:30:32,253
Speaker 15: Yeah?

1668
01:30:32,413 --> 01:30:36,093
Speaker 3: I think, well, they generally eat it for everything. In

1669
01:30:36,213 --> 01:30:39,653
Speaker 3: my experience. I'm no expert here, but anytime, anytime my

1670
01:30:39,733 --> 01:30:41,973
Speaker 3: mother in law is cooking, she's making a different hotsh

1671
01:30:42,373 --> 01:30:45,493
Speaker 3: so yeah, and so it's it's the I think that's

1672
01:30:45,573 --> 01:30:50,093
Speaker 3: the that's the Farsi word for the kind of casseroles

1673
01:30:50,173 --> 01:30:53,133
Speaker 3: that And there are so many, you know, different sorts

1674
01:30:53,333 --> 01:30:56,893
Speaker 3: that you know. So I quite like one called fast

1675
01:30:56,973 --> 01:31:02,253
Speaker 3: in June, which is made with they grind or my

1676
01:31:02,373 --> 01:31:05,693
Speaker 3: mother in law grinds up into a into a fine powder,

1677
01:31:05,773 --> 01:31:08,453
Speaker 3: all of these walnuts. So heats walnuts, a ground into

1678
01:31:08,493 --> 01:31:11,293
Speaker 3: a fine powder into a fine powder and then mix

1679
01:31:11,413 --> 01:31:15,293
Speaker 3: with pomegranate molasses and then yeah, and then the meat

1680
01:31:15,373 --> 01:31:18,813
Speaker 3: is marinated in that and then and then cooked really slowly,

1681
01:31:19,013 --> 01:31:22,413
Speaker 3: and so it's super rich and delicious. And yeah, that's

1682
01:31:22,773 --> 01:31:24,493
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a tough afternoon for me. You can

1683
01:31:24,533 --> 01:31:26,813
Speaker 3: tell you've sold me jack.

1684
01:31:26,933 --> 01:31:28,373
Speaker 19: That's very impressive.

1685
01:31:28,693 --> 01:31:31,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it should be. It should be a real treat.

1686
01:31:31,253 --> 01:31:31,413
Speaker 6: Hey.

1687
01:31:31,493 --> 01:31:34,453
Speaker 3: But we are focusing this morning on top Or. You've

1688
01:31:34,453 --> 01:31:36,573
Speaker 3: got your top trails and treats in Topor. And if

1689
01:31:36,613 --> 01:31:40,693
Speaker 3: you are hitting the water in top Or, what would

1690
01:31:40,733 --> 01:31:43,293
Speaker 3: you recommend is a really good cruise option?

1691
01:31:44,533 --> 01:31:47,693
Speaker 19: There are a lot of options on the water front

1692
01:31:47,853 --> 01:31:50,533
Speaker 19: is I'm sure people have noticed. But I reckon to

1693
01:31:50,773 --> 01:31:53,533
Speaker 19: bask in the brilliance of our inland sea on a

1694
01:31:53,693 --> 01:31:57,573
Speaker 19: sunny autumn morning aboard the earnest Kemp is.

1695
01:31:57,613 --> 01:31:58,293
Speaker 1: The way to do it.

1696
01:31:58,413 --> 01:32:03,253
Speaker 19: This is that glorious replica steamboat and it's been cruising

1697
01:32:03,333 --> 01:32:05,413
Speaker 19: the Great Lake for over forty years. It's kind of

1698
01:32:05,613 --> 01:32:09,413
Speaker 19: like pause answer to Queenstown's ERNs Law. And I was

1699
01:32:09,493 --> 01:32:12,573
Speaker 19: actually invited to take the wheel of the earnest Keemp

1700
01:32:12,613 --> 01:32:16,453
Speaker 19: a couple of weeks ago, jack with most unflattering results.

1701
01:32:17,613 --> 01:32:21,053
Speaker 19: The passengers were not particularly impressed with my navigational skills,

1702
01:32:21,533 --> 01:32:23,733
Speaker 19: so I don't think there's not much risk of me

1703
01:32:23,813 --> 01:32:25,213
Speaker 19: getting my skipper's.

1704
01:32:24,813 --> 01:32:26,253
Speaker 5: License anytime soon.

1705
01:32:26,853 --> 01:32:29,333
Speaker 19: But there are so many cool little heritage touches to

1706
01:32:29,413 --> 01:32:34,653
Speaker 19: this vessel, like the steering wheel actually began life as

1707
01:32:34,693 --> 01:32:39,013
Speaker 19: a horse drawn hose reel used by fire brigades many

1708
01:32:39,133 --> 01:32:42,813
Speaker 19: decades ago. So there's all sorts of amazing stories on

1709
01:32:42,893 --> 01:32:43,373
Speaker 19: this vessel.

1710
01:32:43,813 --> 01:32:47,253
Speaker 3: And if you are hitting the pedals, what mountain bike

1711
01:32:47,333 --> 01:32:48,333
Speaker 3: trail hits the spot?

1712
01:32:49,213 --> 01:32:49,413
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1713
01:32:49,453 --> 01:32:52,693
Speaker 19: Well, just north of town Craters Mountain Bike Park of

1714
01:32:52,813 --> 01:32:56,093
Speaker 19: course is a big go to because they've got about

1715
01:32:56,133 --> 01:32:59,173
Speaker 19: fifty kilometers of trailers in the park, a line spanning

1716
01:32:59,373 --> 01:33:00,333
Speaker 19: all abilities.

1717
01:33:00,413 --> 01:33:02,133
Speaker 6: But before rocking to.

1718
01:33:02,253 --> 01:33:06,173
Speaker 19: Craters, I would strongly urge people to check out the

1719
01:33:06,253 --> 01:33:11,053
Speaker 19: hooker trails because they threat you higher and higher above

1720
01:33:11,093 --> 01:33:14,653
Speaker 19: the Hooker Falls, and you get that balcony view on

1721
01:33:14,973 --> 01:33:18,213
Speaker 19: nature's big Gusha. I mean, the falls from any perspective

1722
01:33:18,373 --> 01:33:22,653
Speaker 19: are amazing, but looking down at those two hundred and

1723
01:33:22,733 --> 01:33:27,293
Speaker 19: twenty thousand liters of water per second thundering down the drop,

1724
01:33:27,413 --> 01:33:30,293
Speaker 19: it really is electric. So the Hooker Trails would be

1725
01:33:31,253 --> 01:33:32,733
Speaker 19: first cab off the rank.

1726
01:33:32,573 --> 01:33:35,293
Speaker 3: For me, Jack, did you check out Boom Boom?

1727
01:33:37,013 --> 01:33:39,933
Speaker 19: I felt duly obliged because yes, it caused quite a

1728
01:33:40,013 --> 01:33:44,333
Speaker 19: steel last year. So this is the mirror polished stainless

1729
01:33:44,413 --> 01:33:49,533
Speaker 19: steel sauropod dinosaur which is atop a large rock. The

1730
01:33:49,693 --> 01:33:54,293
Speaker 19: rock apparently was a nod by the artist to volcanic

1731
01:33:54,373 --> 01:33:57,253
Speaker 19: activity and all the giant boulders that have been ejected

1732
01:33:57,333 --> 01:34:03,213
Speaker 19: by volcanic eruptions over the millennium. Was Boom Boom with

1733
01:34:03,333 --> 01:34:06,813
Speaker 19: the one hundred thousand dollars, I asked myself Jack, and hmm,

1734
01:34:08,253 --> 01:34:09,333
Speaker 19: it's a bit of fun.

1735
01:34:09,733 --> 01:34:12,253
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's a split decision.

1736
01:34:13,053 --> 01:34:16,213
Speaker 19: But the other thing though about Topau's art is that

1737
01:34:16,413 --> 01:34:20,573
Speaker 19: it has really blossomed around town in recent years. The

1738
01:34:20,653 --> 01:34:24,413
Speaker 19: street art, the public sculptures, and something I love to

1739
01:34:24,573 --> 01:34:29,133
Speaker 19: surveying are the huge murals that festern the sides of

1740
01:34:29,213 --> 01:34:31,533
Speaker 19: buildings and down the back alleys and the town center

1741
01:34:31,933 --> 01:34:36,293
Speaker 19: and they are all artworks from the annual Grafiato Festival,

1742
01:34:36,373 --> 01:34:40,013
Speaker 19: which is staged every label weekend and it's a really

1743
01:34:40,133 --> 01:34:40,733
Speaker 19: big bash.

1744
01:34:41,253 --> 01:34:44,733
Speaker 3: Oh nice graffiato. Okay, so how many how many murals

1745
01:34:44,733 --> 01:34:45,733
Speaker 3: are in the portfolios?

1746
01:34:46,453 --> 01:34:46,613
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1747
01:34:46,653 --> 01:34:49,413
Speaker 19: Well, currently they've got about eighty that you can leisurely

1748
01:34:49,493 --> 01:34:51,893
Speaker 19: admire in the town Center and a lot of them

1749
01:34:52,053 --> 01:34:58,573
Speaker 19: are enormous. Interestingly, they don't just attract New Zealand's best artists,

1750
01:34:58,733 --> 01:35:02,613
Speaker 19: but internationals to toupor for Graffiato and if you want

1751
01:35:02,653 --> 01:35:05,613
Speaker 19: to check out a really cool one. And this is

1752
01:35:05,653 --> 01:35:08,573
Speaker 19: such a cove for McDonald's. Actually, the owners of the

1753
01:35:08,653 --> 01:35:11,973
Speaker 19: McDonald's and Towpaw by the entrance to their drive through,

1754
01:35:12,013 --> 01:35:14,853
Speaker 19: they had this enormous wall that needed a bit of love,

1755
01:35:15,373 --> 01:35:18,293
Speaker 19: so they handed that over to Graffiato last year and

1756
01:35:18,413 --> 01:35:22,813
Speaker 19: it's been emblazoned by Decipher and swift mentis who Club

1757
01:35:22,893 --> 01:35:27,653
Speaker 19: Together and they've created this masterly chaotic kitchen theme and

1758
01:35:27,773 --> 01:35:31,413
Speaker 19: it's got all of these sort of cartoonish characters playing

1759
01:35:31,493 --> 01:35:33,933
Speaker 19: the leading roles. The funny thing, Jack is that the

1760
01:35:34,013 --> 01:35:38,493
Speaker 19: local kids in town. They apparently plead with their parents

1761
01:35:38,933 --> 01:35:42,173
Speaker 19: to take them through the drive through, not for the McDonald's,

1762
01:35:42,253 --> 01:35:44,733
Speaker 19: but so they can see the mural again and again.

1763
01:35:45,053 --> 01:35:46,613
Speaker 6: So good, that's good.

1764
01:35:46,893 --> 01:35:50,173
Speaker 3: Okay, So you've done that, You've done a few cultural hotspots.

1765
01:35:50,413 --> 01:35:52,493
Speaker 3: You've done a bit of exercise. Talk to us about

1766
01:35:52,733 --> 01:35:54,573
Speaker 3: hospitality highlights. Where's good.

1767
01:35:55,573 --> 01:35:58,293
Speaker 19: Well, if you're a fan of craft beer, you probably know.

1768
01:35:58,493 --> 01:36:02,933
Speaker 19: Lakeman Brewing is a Towport success story. They actually produced

1769
01:36:02,973 --> 01:36:06,213
Speaker 19: their bear from a shed on a working sheep and beefar.

1770
01:36:06,893 --> 01:36:09,773
Speaker 19: So this is home to James and Alissa Cooper And

1771
01:36:09,933 --> 01:36:13,733
Speaker 19: in town they've got Jimmy Coops Lakehouse, which is Lakeman's

1772
01:36:13,773 --> 01:36:17,053
Speaker 19: burger and beer bar. The coolest thing Jack is alongside

1773
01:36:17,093 --> 01:36:20,373
Speaker 19: the very good bruise smashed down one of beer burgers.

1774
01:36:20,453 --> 01:36:24,453
Speaker 19: The beef is homegrown too, sourced from the same farm

1775
01:36:24,493 --> 01:36:28,893
Speaker 19: as the beer. How is that for hyper local? And

1776
01:36:29,333 --> 01:36:32,533
Speaker 19: if gin is your thing? Five mile? Oh my goodness.

1777
01:36:32,733 --> 01:36:35,893
Speaker 19: These guys have just won so many awards for their

1778
01:36:35,973 --> 01:36:39,173
Speaker 19: gins and it all came about as a COVID project

1779
01:36:39,573 --> 01:36:42,573
Speaker 19: with a lot of help apparently from Topaul housewives who

1780
01:36:42,693 --> 01:36:46,133
Speaker 19: fine tune the favor profile of the arrange of gems,

1781
01:36:46,453 --> 01:36:48,733
Speaker 19: but really really good gin.

1782
01:36:49,213 --> 01:36:53,973
Speaker 3: Oh nice. Speaking of miles, what about the Two Mile

1783
01:36:54,173 --> 01:36:55,533
Speaker 3: Bay Sale the sailing Club.

1784
01:36:56,333 --> 01:36:59,493
Speaker 19: They love their miles and topaul Yes, Two Mile Bay

1785
01:36:59,613 --> 01:37:03,333
Speaker 19: Sailing Club. I'm infatuated with this place. It's the setting

1786
01:37:03,413 --> 01:37:06,813
Speaker 19: that is so blissed out. The pizzas are topknot, and

1787
01:37:06,933 --> 01:37:10,773
Speaker 19: the venue seating configuration it's very flexible. They also offer

1788
01:37:10,893 --> 01:37:13,013
Speaker 19: toes in the water, dining and whining if that's how

1789
01:37:13,093 --> 01:37:13,413
Speaker 19: you roll.

1790
01:37:13,533 --> 01:37:13,733
Speaker 5: Jack.

1791
01:37:14,493 --> 01:37:16,973
Speaker 19: It is just one of those sort of really special

1792
01:37:17,173 --> 01:37:21,973
Speaker 19: eff of vescent venues that is very embracing. So they

1793
01:37:22,053 --> 01:37:26,613
Speaker 19: have like dog and grog events, so you can bring

1794
01:37:26,733 --> 01:37:28,853
Speaker 19: your pooch along on the weekend to join in the

1795
01:37:28,933 --> 01:37:31,253
Speaker 19: fun too. A local favorite not to be missed.

1796
01:37:31,453 --> 01:37:34,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, ah, very good. And why is the Bistro such

1797
01:37:34,093 --> 01:37:35,333
Speaker 3: a culinary crowd pleaser?

1798
01:37:36,413 --> 01:37:39,453
Speaker 19: Yeah, well, these guys are a real institution. It's owned

1799
01:37:39,493 --> 01:37:41,533
Speaker 19: by Jude Messenger, who would be one of the most

1800
01:37:41,853 --> 01:37:45,013
Speaker 19: charismatic hands on restauranteurs I think I've ever met Jack.

1801
01:37:45,093 --> 01:37:49,533
Speaker 19: He waits at tables, he ensures every diner is royally treated,

1802
01:37:49,773 --> 01:37:54,333
Speaker 19: and judea is feeling very happy with life. Because the

1803
01:37:54,413 --> 01:37:57,533
Speaker 19: Bistro was deservedly awarded to hats in the Latest Cuisine

1804
01:37:57,573 --> 01:38:00,933
Speaker 19: Good Food Guide. So it's elevated dining, but it's got

1805
01:38:01,053 --> 01:38:06,133
Speaker 19: this really endearing, homely quality to the whole experience. It's

1806
01:38:06,173 --> 01:38:10,533
Speaker 19: not stuffy. I would try the Crispy Duck as a starter.

1807
01:38:10,733 --> 01:38:13,373
Speaker 19: It's slow cocked for eighteen hours and.

1808
01:38:13,853 --> 01:38:15,813
Speaker 6: For my mind, isn't that a hell of a long

1809
01:38:15,893 --> 01:38:16,493
Speaker 6: time for a dome.

1810
01:38:16,613 --> 01:38:20,453
Speaker 19: Yeah, but it has just melt in your mouth. And

1811
01:38:20,573 --> 01:38:23,973
Speaker 19: for my maine, the hard poker, Oh my goodness, this

1812
01:38:24,133 --> 01:38:28,013
Speaker 19: set on a bed of smoked paprika broth and handmade

1813
01:38:28,693 --> 01:38:32,613
Speaker 19: Papa delea, which are those pasta ribbons. I don't think

1814
01:38:32,653 --> 01:38:35,733
Speaker 19: I've had those two together before, but it really works.

1815
01:38:35,853 --> 01:38:39,293
Speaker 19: Fish and pasta together, bad hunky fish on a bed

1816
01:38:39,373 --> 01:38:41,293
Speaker 19: of pasta. Absolutely divine.

1817
01:38:41,653 --> 01:38:44,853
Speaker 3: Ah. Tough gig, A tough gig, Mike, very very much.

1818
01:38:44,973 --> 01:38:47,333
Speaker 3: That sounds amazing. Yeah, all right, We're going to make

1819
01:38:47,333 --> 01:38:50,733
Speaker 3: sure all of Mike's tips for tripping to Topor this

1820
01:38:50,893 --> 01:38:52,933
Speaker 3: autumn are up on the news talks he'd be website,

1821
01:38:53,253 --> 01:38:55,293
Speaker 3: so you can follow along there too. Before my day,

1822
01:38:55,333 --> 01:38:58,973
Speaker 3: we've got new music from Gorillas, plus a couple of

1823
01:38:59,013 --> 01:39:02,493
Speaker 3: recommendations for our book picks this weekend. It's just coming

1824
01:39:02,573 --> 01:39:03,373
Speaker 3: up to eleven thirty.

1825
01:39:07,013 --> 01:39:08,653
Speaker 5: Getting your weekends started.

1826
01:39:08,853 --> 01:39:14,933
Speaker 1: It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on New Stalks edbom.

1827
01:39:13,813 --> 01:39:20,333
Speaker 6: Melancholy Hill, The Plant, Dead Tree. I here with.

1828
01:39:24,533 --> 01:39:29,013
Speaker 20: Just look can out on the Day, the Nuther Tree.

1829
01:39:32,453 --> 01:39:35,853
Speaker 3: Where you can't get what you want. News Talks edb

1830
01:39:36,093 --> 01:39:40,013
Speaker 3: twenty seven to twelve. It's on Melancholy Hill by Gorilla's

1831
01:39:40,133 --> 01:39:43,053
Speaker 3: Beautiful Little Track. Jason Pine as with us. He's on

1832
01:39:43,133 --> 01:39:45,893
Speaker 3: Weekend Sport this afternoon, and Reuben Love on the show.

1833
01:39:46,093 --> 01:39:50,933
Speaker 3: After not just a dominant performance, but an all consuming

1834
01:39:51,173 --> 01:39:54,493
Speaker 3: dominant performance, the dominant performance from the Hurricanes last night,

1835
01:39:54,613 --> 01:39:56,613
Speaker 3: I've seen enough. Jack, I think they're gonna the whole

1836
01:39:56,653 --> 01:40:00,373
Speaker 3: thing goes another bit, honestly. Yeah, there's not a bad call.

1837
01:40:00,613 --> 01:40:01,653
Speaker 20: Well they were good like that.

1838
01:40:01,893 --> 01:40:03,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, my gosh, to get.

1839
01:40:03,773 --> 01:40:06,653
Speaker 20: To to to be fair, the Highlanders weren't grow. I

1840
01:40:06,733 --> 01:40:10,013
Speaker 20: didn't think on home soil under the roof there to

1841
01:40:10,093 --> 01:40:13,653
Speaker 20: ship fifty against the Hurricanes, who were very good. But yeah,

1842
01:40:13,693 --> 01:40:15,373
Speaker 20: some of the defending in the second half from the

1843
01:40:15,413 --> 01:40:18,973
Speaker 20: Highlanders wasn't particularly eye catching. But you play what's in

1844
01:40:18,973 --> 01:40:20,613
Speaker 20: front of you and the ball speed. But you know,

1845
01:40:20,773 --> 01:40:24,733
Speaker 20: threw hands from the Hurricanes and you know the number

1846
01:40:24,733 --> 01:40:27,133
Speaker 20: of tries scored out why but also Cam royguard water

1847
01:40:27,213 --> 01:40:30,013
Speaker 20: player Jack. My goodness, we've known this obviously for a while.

1848
01:40:30,053 --> 01:40:32,093
Speaker 20: But the way he snipe's coast, the line scoroes tries

1849
01:40:32,333 --> 01:40:33,373
Speaker 20: sets up us outside.

1850
01:40:33,493 --> 01:40:36,773
Speaker 3: Really, he's really that, he's really defined his game with

1851
01:40:36,853 --> 01:40:39,413
Speaker 3: that sniping. I don't think I heard the term sniping

1852
01:40:39,453 --> 01:40:41,853
Speaker 3: until I watched Cam Royert. I means heerious, Yeah, like

1853
01:40:41,973 --> 01:40:44,813
Speaker 3: he's yeah, yeah, it's quite it's quite something to behold.

1854
01:40:44,933 --> 01:40:46,613
Speaker 20: Yeah, So Rubin loves on the show after one o'clock,

1855
01:40:46,653 --> 01:40:48,453
Speaker 20: looking forward to chatting to him on the other side

1856
01:40:48,453 --> 01:40:50,893
Speaker 20: of the coin. The Chiefs threw away a twenty four

1857
01:40:50,933 --> 01:40:53,533
Speaker 20: to seven lead with twenty minutes to go to lose

1858
01:40:53,573 --> 01:40:55,773
Speaker 20: thirty three twenty four to the Brumby. So what happened there?

1859
01:40:56,213 --> 01:40:57,973
Speaker 20: That coach John o'gibs going to join us to try

1860
01:40:58,013 --> 01:41:00,573
Speaker 20: and explain that to us too. So run away try

1861
01:41:01,093 --> 01:41:03,933
Speaker 20: seventy eighth minute. You can just imagine how the tesse

1862
01:41:03,973 --> 01:41:06,813
Speaker 20: of feeling knowing that they had that lead and seeing

1863
01:41:06,853 --> 01:41:09,573
Speaker 20: that moment and just oh my god, see you later.

1864
01:41:09,533 --> 01:41:10,173
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

1865
01:41:10,333 --> 01:41:12,333
Speaker 20: So yeah, so some rugby chat after one, but also

1866
01:41:12,413 --> 01:41:15,893
Speaker 20: some grassroots rugby chat today story out of Christchurch today

1867
01:41:15,933 --> 01:41:17,733
Speaker 20: that there are a number of teams in that part

1868
01:41:17,733 --> 01:41:20,133
Speaker 20: of the country and I can only assume other parts too,

1869
01:41:20,173 --> 01:41:23,053
Speaker 20: who are having trouble fielding senior teams because they don't

1870
01:41:23,053 --> 01:41:25,573
Speaker 20: have enough front rowers. They don't have enough people who

1871
01:41:25,613 --> 01:41:27,293
Speaker 20: want to play prop or hooker.

1872
01:41:27,613 --> 01:41:28,213
Speaker 3: Fascinating.

1873
01:41:28,293 --> 01:41:30,853
Speaker 20: Yeah, and it's obviously an important part because not only

1874
01:41:30,893 --> 01:41:33,493
Speaker 20: do you need front rowers, you need front row reserves

1875
01:41:33,573 --> 01:41:35,893
Speaker 20: as well, so you need five or six guys and

1876
01:41:36,013 --> 01:41:39,013
Speaker 20: every team who can do that job. And whether it's

1877
01:41:39,133 --> 01:41:42,093
Speaker 20: like just not fashionable for kids to play in those positions,

1878
01:41:42,453 --> 01:41:44,733
Speaker 20: whether you know, the big boppers just aren't around as

1879
01:41:44,813 --> 01:41:47,933
Speaker 20: much as they used to be, it's actually a fairly

1880
01:41:48,213 --> 01:41:50,893
Speaker 20: clear and present danger to club rugby that they don't

1881
01:41:50,933 --> 01:41:53,853
Speaker 20: have enough front row forwards. At the junior end of things,

1882
01:41:53,973 --> 01:41:55,733
Speaker 20: a lot of clubs around the country are now starting

1883
01:41:55,773 --> 01:41:59,533
Speaker 20: to scrap junior registration fees because with you know, the

1884
01:41:59,613 --> 01:42:01,573
Speaker 20: cost of living being what it is, sometimes the things

1885
01:42:01,613 --> 01:42:04,493
Speaker 20: that are sacrificed are things like sport for the kids. Yeah,

1886
01:42:04,573 --> 01:42:06,133
Speaker 20: so a lot of clubs that say, okay, we'll come

1887
01:42:06,133 --> 01:42:09,493
Speaker 20: and play for free, just to open up the excess.

1888
01:42:09,533 --> 01:42:11,693
Speaker 20: But of course they rely on junior sub says part

1889
01:42:11,693 --> 01:42:13,773
Speaker 20: of their balance sheet, don't they. How do they find

1890
01:42:13,853 --> 01:42:15,933
Speaker 20: the balance between those two things? So yeah, a couple

1891
01:42:15,973 --> 01:42:19,533
Speaker 20: of grassroots are rugby issues after midday Super Rugby after

1892
01:42:19,613 --> 01:42:21,613
Speaker 20: one and then yeah, all left see that it's their

1893
01:42:21,653 --> 01:42:26,173
Speaker 20: fiftieth match this afternoon, their fiftieth match. Francis de Ree

1894
01:42:26,213 --> 01:42:29,733
Speaker 20: has started all forty nine. Man, what a player, what

1895
01:42:29,853 --> 01:42:31,333
Speaker 20: a llega. Yeah, I know he's on the show too

1896
01:42:31,773 --> 01:42:35,533
Speaker 20: after two o'clock to engage. He did, he did, and

1897
01:42:35,773 --> 01:42:37,373
Speaker 20: he's off to the World Cup with the well once.

1898
01:42:37,413 --> 01:42:39,933
Speaker 20: What a time it's been for Francis de Ree. But

1899
01:42:40,653 --> 01:42:42,093
Speaker 20: it's been a long and winding road. You know, he

1900
01:42:42,133 --> 01:42:44,173
Speaker 20: had a lot he had it hasn't made a straight

1901
01:42:44,213 --> 01:42:45,733
Speaker 20: line to get here. Yeah, so it's so good on

1902
01:42:45,813 --> 01:42:48,653
Speaker 20: him for making Hay while the sunshine They could still.

1903
01:42:48,853 --> 01:42:50,293
Speaker 3: I don't want to get ahead of myself here, but

1904
01:42:50,373 --> 01:42:53,053
Speaker 3: that performance last weekend has put them right back in

1905
01:42:53,133 --> 01:42:54,933
Speaker 3: the equation for the for the Premius.

1906
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Speaker 20: Play, just one point behind. I think they'll come over

1907
01:42:56,853 --> 01:42:58,893
Speaker 20: the top of Newcastle, I really do. I just think

1908
01:42:58,973 --> 01:43:01,893
Speaker 20: it just feels now as though their favorites again to

1909
01:43:01,933 --> 01:43:03,973
Speaker 20: win that played five games to go. The odd part

1910
01:43:04,013 --> 01:43:06,573
Speaker 20: of this, Jack, is that both Newcastle and Auckland fe

1911
01:43:07,013 --> 01:43:09,853
Speaker 20: play the same five teams. Yeah, and the last five days,

1912
01:43:10,213 --> 01:43:12,533
Speaker 20: so no one's got the easier running. So we are

1913
01:43:12,573 --> 01:43:14,093
Speaker 20: going to find out who the best team is over

1914
01:43:14,133 --> 01:43:14,773
Speaker 20: the next month or so.

1915
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Speaker 3: Fantastic looking forward to that. Thank you, sir. That's Jack

1916
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Speaker 3: Jason Pine with us this afternoon for weekend Sport, right

1917
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Speaker 3: after the midday news on News Talks. He'd be before midday.

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Speaker 3: That new album from Gorilla's the next up your book

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Speaker 3: picture this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Team Folk Show podcast on iHeartRadio

1921
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Speaker 1: powered by News Talks EDB.

1922
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Speaker 3: Twenty one to twelve on News Talks EDB. Katherine Rains

1923
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Speaker 3: is our book reviewer on Saturday mornings on News talks 'B.

1924
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Speaker 3: She picks a couple a great read for us every weekend,

1925
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Speaker 3: and she is here with this week's picks. Now, Good

1926
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Speaker 3: morning Catherine, Good morning Jack. Okay, let's begin with the

1927
01:43:51,333 --> 01:43:54,253
Speaker 3: latest from John Lancaster. Tell us about Look What You

1928
01:43:54,373 --> 01:43:54,773
Speaker 3: Made Me Do?

1929
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Speaker 14: So this is quite a dark story. It's going to

1930
01:43:58,293 --> 01:44:00,253
Speaker 14: be a humor in it too, and it's about Kate

1931
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Speaker 14: and Jack, who have been married for thirty years and

1932
01:44:02,693 --> 01:44:05,413
Speaker 14: the I'm a middle class couple going back their lives

1933
01:44:05,533 --> 01:44:07,773
Speaker 14: friends dinner par you know, they tell those kind of

1934
01:44:07,853 --> 01:44:12,173
Speaker 14: inside jokes and nicknames and references and nothing particularly remarkable

1935
01:44:12,213 --> 01:44:15,933
Speaker 14: about either of them. And then Katie's lives turn upside

1936
01:44:15,973 --> 01:44:19,133
Speaker 14: down when Jack dies and she struggles to come to

1937
01:44:19,253 --> 01:44:22,853
Speaker 14: term with it, and you know, after a number of months,

1938
01:44:22,933 --> 01:44:25,733
Speaker 14: she starts to find out things about Jack that she

1939
01:44:25,853 --> 01:44:28,253
Speaker 14: didn't really know about. And this is where a woman

1940
01:44:28,293 --> 01:44:30,693
Speaker 14: called Phoebe Mull comes into the story, and she's just

1941
01:44:30,813 --> 01:44:33,053
Speaker 14: created this TV show which has turned out to be

1942
01:44:33,093 --> 01:44:35,573
Speaker 14: the next big thing, a show called Cheats about a

1943
01:44:35,693 --> 01:44:38,453
Speaker 14: man and his younger mistress and uses a lot of

1944
01:44:38,533 --> 01:44:43,173
Speaker 14: this marital material that Kate really recognizes, and she notices

1945
01:44:43,213 --> 01:44:46,413
Speaker 14: similarities between her and Jack's lives and only things that

1946
01:44:46,533 --> 01:44:49,293
Speaker 14: they would know about. And here it is on the screen,

1947
01:44:49,373 --> 01:44:52,453
Speaker 14: exposed for everyone to see, and she just cannot work

1948
01:44:52,493 --> 01:44:55,133
Speaker 14: out what's going on. And you get these chapters that

1949
01:44:55,253 --> 01:44:57,693
Speaker 14: are also extracts of the film script and kind of

1950
01:44:57,733 --> 01:44:59,973
Speaker 14: give you some insight into the TV series as well.

1951
01:45:00,293 --> 01:45:02,533
Speaker 14: And it's told from two point of view Kate and Phoebe.

1952
01:45:03,053 --> 01:45:06,213
Speaker 14: And it's this book really about revenge and with just

1953
01:45:06,533 --> 01:45:09,693
Speaker 14: utter determination to ruin someone's life whether they deserve it

1954
01:45:09,773 --> 01:45:12,933
Speaker 14: or not. And so you get these relationships and responsibilities

1955
01:45:13,053 --> 01:45:15,493
Speaker 14: and people a who are pointing the blame but anyone

1956
01:45:15,533 --> 01:45:18,693
Speaker 14: else instead of really probably taking account for their own actions.

1957
01:45:18,813 --> 01:45:21,933
Speaker 14: But John Lancaster can certainly write a very good story

1958
01:45:22,053 --> 01:45:23,933
Speaker 14: and that dark humor certainly comes through.

1959
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Speaker 5: Great.

1960
01:45:25,013 --> 01:45:27,053
Speaker 3: Okay, this sounds really good. So let's look What You

1961
01:45:27,133 --> 01:45:30,413
Speaker 3: Made Me Do by John Langast. Next up, A Far

1962
01:45:30,573 --> 01:45:32,773
Speaker 3: Flung Life by M. L. Steadman.

1963
01:45:34,013 --> 01:45:37,493
Speaker 14: So this is set in a vast landscape of western

1964
01:45:37,533 --> 01:45:40,533
Speaker 14: Australia and back in nineteen fifty eight. And this family

1965
01:45:40,613 --> 01:45:43,853
Speaker 14: called them McBride family live on this place called Meredith

1966
01:45:43,973 --> 01:45:46,773
Speaker 14: Downs and it's a sheep station and it spans this

1967
01:45:47,013 --> 01:45:49,853
Speaker 14: unbelievableblele amount when you live in New Zealand a million acres.

1968
01:45:50,653 --> 01:45:53,813
Speaker 14: And Phil and Laurna have three children, Warren, Rosy and Matthew.

1969
01:45:54,333 --> 01:45:56,453
Speaker 14: And in the past the eldest son has always inherited

1970
01:45:56,453 --> 01:45:58,773
Speaker 14: the property and the daughter's Mary and the second sons

1971
01:45:58,813 --> 01:46:01,853
Speaker 14: have more freedom, but very sadly, on the way to

1972
01:46:01,893 --> 01:46:04,733
Speaker 14: the creek one morning fill the father it swerves to

1973
01:46:04,813 --> 01:46:07,293
Speaker 14: avoid this kangaroo something he's told everyone not to do,

1974
01:46:07,653 --> 01:46:11,653
Speaker 14: and everything changes and those who left behind are devastated.

1975
01:46:12,333 --> 01:46:15,653
Speaker 14: And then once this happens, it's just one disaster after another.

1976
01:46:16,213 --> 01:46:17,973
Speaker 14: And in the second part of the story, it moves

1977
01:46:18,053 --> 01:46:20,213
Speaker 14: forward ten years and it shows them sort of coping

1978
01:46:20,293 --> 01:46:22,693
Speaker 14: but facing these new problems, and you get this feeling

1979
01:46:22,733 --> 01:46:26,053
Speaker 14: of dread, and that kind of landscape also plays into

1980
01:46:26,093 --> 01:46:28,013
Speaker 14: it with the fate and choices have made out of

1981
01:46:28,053 --> 01:46:31,653
Speaker 14: circumstances and this burden that the people who've left behind

1982
01:46:31,693 --> 01:46:34,293
Speaker 14: are carrying and their secrets that they choose to cap

1983
01:46:34,653 --> 01:46:36,893
Speaker 14: to keep. And I'm deliberately not telling you too much

1984
01:46:36,893 --> 01:46:38,453
Speaker 14: about the story because I don't want to give it

1985
01:46:38,453 --> 01:46:40,973
Speaker 14: away because it's absolutely well worth a read, and it's

1986
01:46:41,093 --> 01:46:44,413
Speaker 14: so well written. And that landscape and you know, that

1987
01:46:44,653 --> 01:46:47,213
Speaker 14: vastness of it plays so well into the story as well.

1988
01:46:47,413 --> 01:46:51,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, that kind of solitude day and the real remoteness

1989
01:46:51,653 --> 01:46:54,613
Speaker 3: of it all that sounds great. A million acres is

1990
01:46:54,693 --> 01:46:57,053
Speaker 3: the sheep station in Western Australia and that system.

1991
01:46:57,173 --> 01:46:58,573
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's unbelievable, isn't it.

1992
01:46:59,013 --> 01:47:02,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, only in Australia. Okay, thank you, Catherine, So

1993
01:47:02,853 --> 01:47:05,733
Speaker 3: That is A Far Flung Life by M. L. Steedman.

1994
01:47:06,373 --> 01:47:08,853
Speaker 3: Ethne's first pick for us this week, Look What You

1995
01:47:08,933 --> 01:47:11,533
Speaker 3: Made Me Do? Is by John Lancaster. Both of those

1996
01:47:11,573 --> 01:47:13,293
Speaker 3: books all the details for them will be up on

1997
01:47:13,453 --> 01:47:15,653
Speaker 3: the News Talks ZB website. And don't forget that everything

1998
01:47:15,733 --> 01:47:17,933
Speaker 3: from our show goes up on the website. So if

1999
01:47:17,973 --> 01:47:21,973
Speaker 3: you're looking for the amazing pork apple and kale burger

2000
01:47:22,013 --> 01:47:24,493
Speaker 3: recipe that we shared before ten o'clock this morning, that's

2001
01:47:24,573 --> 01:47:27,533
Speaker 3: on the website. If you're looking for our screen Time books,

2002
01:47:27,533 --> 01:47:29,853
Speaker 3: it picks the shows that you can watch your stream

2003
01:47:29,933 --> 01:47:32,973
Speaker 3: at home. Our recommendations for this week, they're on the website.

2004
01:47:33,053 --> 01:47:35,133
Speaker 3: Our film picks for this week. Everything you Know, I

2005
01:47:35,213 --> 01:47:38,213
Speaker 3: Need to Know News Talks EDB dot co dot nz

2006
01:47:38,733 --> 01:47:42,173
Speaker 3: Ford slash Jack It's seventeen to twelve. We're gonna listen

2007
01:47:42,213 --> 01:47:44,453
Speaker 3: to Gorilla's new album next.

2008
01:47:44,493 --> 01:47:47,373
Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on All you Need to

2009
01:47:47,453 --> 01:47:51,253
Speaker 1: Know on Saturday Morning with Jack team News Talks EDB.

2010
01:47:53,333 --> 01:47:55,213
Speaker 6: Are you happy with your house?

2011
01:47:56,133 --> 01:47:58,533
Speaker 5: Are you climbing up the walls.

2012
01:47:59,693 --> 01:48:01,213
Speaker 10: From the herds?

2013
01:48:01,853 --> 01:48:05,373
Speaker 3: Do a head lot hair all? Are you have past

2014
01:48:05,653 --> 01:48:16,453
Speaker 3: fie fie harsh a sluts of cooking on. Then this

2015
01:48:17,173 --> 01:48:22,213
Speaker 3: is Gorillas interesting a That song is called the God

2016
01:48:22,373 --> 01:48:25,413
Speaker 3: of Lying. They've just released a new album, it's called

2017
01:48:25,693 --> 01:48:29,613
Speaker 3: The Mountain, twenty five years since their eponymous debut. Chris

2018
01:48:29,653 --> 01:48:32,773
Speaker 3: Schultz Music Reviewers then listening to the album and he's

2019
01:48:32,813 --> 01:48:35,973
Speaker 3: with us this morning, Good morning, Chris Kyoda Jack.

2020
01:48:37,893 --> 01:48:42,093
Speaker 21: That song is a great example of what's going on

2021
01:48:42,373 --> 01:48:45,533
Speaker 21: on this album. You can hear this circus melody in

2022
01:48:45,653 --> 01:48:49,093
Speaker 21: the background. It's almost quite yeah, but then you hear

2023
01:48:49,133 --> 01:48:52,933
Speaker 21: the vocals and it's quite dark. It's it's that's the

2024
01:48:53,013 --> 01:48:56,813
Speaker 21: Idols front man, the Great Scottish ruck Band there. It's

2025
01:48:57,333 --> 01:49:02,173
Speaker 21: this is an album about death and grief and if

2026
01:49:02,213 --> 01:49:04,893
Speaker 21: you really listen to those lyrics, that's what they're getting into.

2027
01:49:06,533 --> 01:49:07,853
Speaker 21: This crazy backstory.

2028
01:49:08,573 --> 01:49:08,733
Speaker 6: You know.

2029
01:49:08,813 --> 01:49:11,853
Speaker 21: The band's front man, Damon Alban from Blur. You know,

2030
01:49:11,933 --> 01:49:14,053
Speaker 21: he could be touring the world with Blur if he

2031
01:49:14,133 --> 01:49:16,013
Speaker 21: wanted to be doing that. He clearly does it. He's

2032
01:49:16,053 --> 01:49:19,613
Speaker 21: tended to side hustle with Gorillas into his main hustle.

2033
01:49:19,653 --> 01:49:22,733
Speaker 21: He went off to India after their twenty twenty three

2034
01:49:22,813 --> 01:49:27,893
Speaker 21: album Cracker Island with his Gorilla's bandmate Jamie Hewlett, and

2035
01:49:28,053 --> 01:49:30,693
Speaker 21: while I were there, both their dads died and so

2036
01:49:30,813 --> 01:49:32,973
Speaker 21: it sort of turned into this. You know, people go

2037
01:49:33,093 --> 01:49:35,893
Speaker 21: to India for these kind of spiritual awakenings. I guess

2038
01:49:35,933 --> 01:49:40,333
Speaker 21: it's a pretty corny cliche these days, but it has

2039
01:49:40,453 --> 01:49:44,413
Speaker 21: resulted and probably their best album since their first album.

2040
01:49:44,453 --> 01:49:45,453
Speaker 3: Oh wow. Yeah.

2041
01:49:45,733 --> 01:49:49,853
Speaker 21: Yeah, it's a great listen. It's got that Gorilla's trick

2042
01:49:50,093 --> 01:49:53,973
Speaker 21: of teasing you in with this like cartoon facade. Right,

2043
01:49:54,013 --> 01:49:57,093
Speaker 21: it's very accessible. This band is very accessible. All their

2044
01:49:57,133 --> 01:50:02,253
Speaker 21: music videos are cartoon characters. Kids actually love it because

2045
01:50:02,253 --> 01:50:05,573
Speaker 21: of that, but when you actually listen to it, it's

2046
01:50:05,613 --> 01:50:08,773
Speaker 21: a bit. It's a little it's a neat trick they pulled.

2047
01:50:09,573 --> 01:50:12,013
Speaker 21: They deliver these quite heavy themes on you, and this

2048
01:50:12,173 --> 01:50:17,253
Speaker 21: is about death and grief, lighten it up with this

2049
01:50:17,453 --> 01:50:20,933
Speaker 21: kind of like yeah, almost like a circus atmosphere. The

2050
01:50:21,053 --> 01:50:24,533
Speaker 21: other thing they're doing here is that he's got voices

2051
01:50:24,613 --> 01:50:27,533
Speaker 21: from all these collaborators. Over the years, he saved up

2052
01:50:27,573 --> 01:50:31,053
Speaker 21: all these audio files, he snippets from the studio, and

2053
01:50:31,173 --> 01:50:36,053
Speaker 21: even people who who have been long since died are

2054
01:50:36,133 --> 01:50:37,973
Speaker 21: featured on his album. So he's sitting and listening to

2055
01:50:38,013 --> 01:50:41,333
Speaker 21: it and suddenly Bob Bobby Womack turns up the actor

2056
01:50:41,373 --> 01:50:43,373
Speaker 21: Dennis Hopper, his voice.

2057
01:50:43,173 --> 01:50:43,613
Speaker 2: Is in there.

2058
01:50:44,373 --> 01:50:44,613
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2059
01:50:44,813 --> 01:50:46,293
Speaker 21: And then the craziest story.

2060
01:50:46,893 --> 01:50:50,413
Speaker 3: Posthumous posthumous contributors.

2061
01:50:50,573 --> 01:50:53,733
Speaker 21: Yeah right, Yes, it's that kind of weird mix of

2062
01:50:53,813 --> 01:50:56,293
Speaker 21: the past in the present. But the storial of the

2063
01:50:56,373 --> 01:51:00,213
Speaker 21: most is Eminem's old hype man Proof died in two

2064
01:51:00,253 --> 01:51:03,213
Speaker 21: thousand and six, one day after nine to eleven. In

2065
01:51:03,253 --> 01:51:05,613
Speaker 21: two thousand and one, Damon Alban got him into the

2066
01:51:05,693 --> 01:51:10,093
Speaker 21: studio try and reckon with you know this this tragic event,

2067
01:51:10,693 --> 01:51:14,173
Speaker 21: and the vocals from that session are on this album.

2068
01:51:14,213 --> 01:51:17,413
Speaker 21: It's on a song called the Manifesto and he's he's

2069
01:51:17,853 --> 01:51:20,813
Speaker 21: rapping about like murder and then five years later he

2070
01:51:20,973 --> 01:51:26,093
Speaker 21: was actually murdered in a pool gang shooting. So there's

2071
01:51:26,133 --> 01:51:29,013
Speaker 21: just eerie moments like that sort does this come out

2072
01:51:29,093 --> 01:51:31,973
Speaker 21: the more you listen to it, it's a pretty like

2073
01:51:32,253 --> 01:51:35,573
Speaker 21: thrilling listen you when you get into the nitty gritty

2074
01:51:35,613 --> 01:51:36,773
Speaker 21: of it, like you do want to listen to it

2075
01:51:36,813 --> 01:51:40,373
Speaker 21: from start to finish because it is a full album experience.

2076
01:51:41,253 --> 01:51:43,813
Speaker 3: And is it kind of melancholic because they do have

2077
01:51:43,893 --> 01:51:46,573
Speaker 3: a bit of a melancholic Yeah, yeah, right vibe.

2078
01:51:46,773 --> 01:51:49,933
Speaker 21: Domon Albahn strikes me as a pretty depressive sort of type.

2079
01:51:49,973 --> 01:51:54,293
Speaker 21: I mean everything he's sings sounds kind of morose and mournful.

2080
01:51:55,133 --> 01:51:57,293
Speaker 21: He just is that kind of guy. I mean, blues

2081
01:51:57,293 --> 01:51:59,493
Speaker 21: albums are full of those kind of ballads, right, that's

2082
01:51:59,493 --> 01:52:01,853
Speaker 21: what he loves them for. But he does that here,

2083
01:52:01,893 --> 01:52:03,893
Speaker 21: and that is the sort of glue that holds us together.

2084
01:52:03,973 --> 01:52:06,773
Speaker 21: His voice floats in and out of all these other

2085
01:52:07,773 --> 01:52:11,173
Speaker 21: collaborators and all the instruments that he's got going on here.

2086
01:52:11,213 --> 01:52:13,293
Speaker 21: I mean, there's so many different instruments here. You're going

2087
01:52:13,333 --> 01:52:15,453
Speaker 21: to hear flutes and sitars and you know, all this

2088
01:52:15,613 --> 01:52:18,693
Speaker 21: crazy stuff. But yeah, then there's his voice. You did right.

2089
01:52:19,013 --> 01:52:23,173
Speaker 21: It's it's him holding it together. It's this kind of sorrowful,

2090
01:52:23,973 --> 01:52:27,293
Speaker 21: mournful thing going on. But it's not sad. It's not

2091
01:52:27,373 --> 01:52:29,173
Speaker 21: a sad album. I didn't listen to this and feel

2092
01:52:29,293 --> 01:52:33,693
Speaker 21: like depressed or sad. I felt it's quite uplifting and

2093
01:52:33,773 --> 01:52:36,373
Speaker 21: it's got that like those circus melodies like that song

2094
01:52:36,413 --> 01:52:38,453
Speaker 21: you played earlier. It's got that running through it too.

2095
01:52:39,093 --> 01:52:41,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, not very good, So what did you give it?

2096
01:52:42,973 --> 01:52:45,173
Speaker 21: I love this album. This has really got to me.

2097
01:52:45,253 --> 01:52:46,893
Speaker 21: I don't know, it just speaks to me about this

2098
01:52:47,013 --> 01:52:49,493
Speaker 21: moment I think something about it. So I'm four stars.

2099
01:52:49,533 --> 01:52:50,333
Speaker 5: I'm all in on this.

2100
01:52:50,493 --> 01:52:53,533
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm very good. Okay, I'm looking forward to listening

2101
01:52:53,533 --> 01:52:56,853
Speaker 3: to that. I haven't like loved gorilla stuff of late. So,

2102
01:52:57,533 --> 01:52:59,813
Speaker 3: but that the way you've described it really does sound

2103
01:52:59,853 --> 01:53:01,173
Speaker 3: like a bit of me. Hey, are you going to

2104
01:53:01,253 --> 01:53:01,933
Speaker 3: Synthony tonight?

2105
01:53:02,973 --> 01:53:06,013
Speaker 21: Yeah, it's the it's the last kind of big sort

2106
01:53:06,053 --> 01:53:08,613
Speaker 21: of some festival if you like. It's not really summer anymore,

2107
01:53:08,613 --> 01:53:10,773
Speaker 21: but this is the swan song of what we've all

2108
01:53:10,893 --> 01:53:12,933
Speaker 21: just been through with Electric Avenue and Lane Way. It's

2109
01:53:12,973 --> 01:53:16,413
Speaker 21: tonight at Auckland Domain. They're expecting thirty five thousand plus people.

2110
01:53:16,493 --> 01:53:19,213
Speaker 21: Symphony has just become this juggernaut.

2111
01:53:19,413 --> 01:53:22,813
Speaker 3: People don't ask you that's the worst juggernaut. It's huge.

2112
01:53:23,573 --> 01:53:26,373
Speaker 21: People don't understand that this thing is like different part

2113
01:53:26,533 --> 01:53:28,933
Speaker 21: like kinds of iterations of it are touring the world

2114
01:53:29,013 --> 01:53:31,053
Speaker 21: almost like Cirt di Silay. You know, there's all these

2115
01:53:31,093 --> 01:53:34,413
Speaker 21: different delays that play in different parts of the world.

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Speaker 21: It's the same thing. They're playing festivals through Europe with

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Speaker 21: one version of it. They're opening hotels in Vegas, they're

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Speaker 21: on the Formula one starting grid sometimes playing it's it's crazy. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 21: it's if you go and look at everything they're doing.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's like on the Formula one starting grid.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they have open.

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Speaker 21: Formula ones, They've opened hotels. It's wild what this thing

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Speaker 21: has become. I think their ambition is to become like

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Speaker 21: the the biggest covers event.

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Speaker 6: In the world.

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Speaker 21: And if they're not, they're already they're they're well on

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Speaker 21: the way because but but yeah, the one of the

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Speaker 21: domain is where they sort of trial the new shows,

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Speaker 21: where they work out the new music, and then they

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Speaker 21: take it overseas. So it's a new show tonight. I

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Speaker 21: think it's Symphony number seven. There's a whole festival lineup.

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Speaker 21: Faithless are on there, the Exponents, the Black Seeds. It

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Speaker 21: starts at like two pm i think, and there's there's

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Speaker 21: two stages now, so it really has grown in Auckland

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Speaker 21: as well as the rest of the world.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh man, it's going to be amazing enjoy and

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Speaker 3: a little.

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Speaker 21: Sad for me because you know it's the last festival.

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Speaker 21: I've got to wait another stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's been a pretty good summer, hasn't.

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Speaker 6: It, Chris.

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Speaker 2: It's been amazing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah for joys, But yeah, I get it. I get it.

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Speaker 3: It's probably not a bad time to have a little

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Speaker 3: bit of an opportunity to recharge the batteries and gear

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Speaker 3: up for the next ones. But yeah, thank you and

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Speaker 3: very much looking forward to listening to the Mountain. So

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Speaker 3: you can hear more from Chris on his sub sec

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Speaker 3: of course, boiler Room four Stars he Reckons the Mountain

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Speaker 3: by Gorillas as Worth will pick a good track from

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Speaker 3: that album and play it for you in a couple

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Speaker 3: of minutes seven to twelve on Newstalks.

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Speaker 2: He'd be.

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Speaker 5: Cracking.

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Speaker 1: Way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack Team

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Speaker 3: treat on my email this morning, just to close out

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Speaker 3: Saturday mornings together. So at the start of the show

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Speaker 3: this afternoon with Weekend Sport. I'm back with you next

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Speaker 3: Saturday morning from nine A massive thanks as always to

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Speaker 3: my awesome producer Libby. We're going to leave you with Gorillas.

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Speaker 3: The new album is The Mountain. This is Orange County.

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