1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,773 Speaker 1: from News Talks. 3 00:00:11,453 --> 00:00:14,853 Speaker 2: At be Mike Yardley is here with us this morning. 4 00:00:14,933 --> 00:00:23,533 Speaker 2: Good morning, sir. Oh hello, sir Mike. Hang on a second. 5 00:00:23,573 --> 00:00:25,213 Speaker 2: We'll see if we can get Mike's fader up. We'll 6 00:00:25,213 --> 00:00:28,253 Speaker 2: make sure he's with us this morning. He should be 7 00:00:28,293 --> 00:00:30,293 Speaker 2: here for the first time this year. Let's time again, 8 00:00:30,333 --> 00:00:32,053 Speaker 2: Mike Yardley come through, Sir. 9 00:00:33,493 --> 00:00:33,653 Speaker 3: Jack. 10 00:00:34,573 --> 00:00:38,093 Speaker 2: Very good, nice to hear your voice. How's your summer been? 11 00:00:39,013 --> 00:00:40,653 Speaker 3: Very good? I was just saying to Olivia, I was 12 00:00:40,693 --> 00:00:45,773 Speaker 3: in your second home yesterday and Takka dodging four seasons 13 00:00:45,773 --> 00:00:48,733 Speaker 3: of weather in one day, so that sounds about right. 14 00:00:49,213 --> 00:00:51,733 Speaker 3: The place is certainly pumping, as I'm sure you know this, Jack. 15 00:00:51,853 --> 00:00:54,093 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, this time of year, it's absolutely crazy 16 00:00:54,093 --> 00:00:55,893 Speaker 2: Golden Bay. I mean, Golden Bay has always got a 17 00:00:55,893 --> 00:00:58,333 Speaker 2: bit of crazy, which is half the attraction. Yes, in 18 00:00:58,493 --> 00:01:01,173 Speaker 2: terms of the numbers, it does at a new level 19 00:01:01,453 --> 00:01:03,373 Speaker 2: at this time. Did you get yourself a real fruit 20 00:01:03,453 --> 00:01:04,293 Speaker 2: ice cream? 21 00:01:05,173 --> 00:01:05,653 Speaker 3: I did not. 22 00:01:06,453 --> 00:01:08,613 Speaker 2: I did not missing out You're missing I've. 23 00:01:08,493 --> 00:01:11,653 Speaker 3: Had some fabulous raspberries. I got those fruit stalls all 24 00:01:11,693 --> 00:01:14,493 Speaker 3: around Golden Bay just marbles, aren't they? I know? 25 00:01:14,493 --> 00:01:17,093 Speaker 2: They're amazing my mom My mom knows all of the 26 00:01:17,933 --> 00:01:20,213 Speaker 2: growers at each one, so she's always that stuff. And 27 00:01:20,213 --> 00:01:23,173 Speaker 2: I'm going to doorreens this weekend and they get these 28 00:01:23,213 --> 00:01:25,213 Speaker 2: and she got a place where she gets a black 29 00:01:25,213 --> 00:01:27,373 Speaker 2: breeze and got a different place where she gets their raspberries, 30 00:01:27,373 --> 00:01:29,733 Speaker 2: and you know, it's it's a bit of an operation, 31 00:01:29,893 --> 00:01:32,213 Speaker 2: but yeah, it's an embarrassment of riches at this time. 32 00:01:32,333 --> 00:01:33,693 Speaker 3: It really really is. 33 00:01:34,013 --> 00:01:37,973 Speaker 2: But we are focusing on fields a little slightly further 34 00:01:37,973 --> 00:01:41,573 Speaker 2: afield this week, Adventures and County donny Gall. So we 35 00:01:41,573 --> 00:01:44,093 Speaker 2: were road tripping Ireland just before Christmas, and you've got 36 00:01:44,093 --> 00:01:46,173 Speaker 2: one last installment from that trip that you want to 37 00:01:46,213 --> 00:01:49,653 Speaker 2: talk us through. Why is County donny Gall dubbed the 38 00:01:49,693 --> 00:01:50,653 Speaker 2: Forgotten County? 39 00:01:51,933 --> 00:01:54,453 Speaker 3: Well, I thought, because it is dubbed the Forgotten County, 40 00:01:54,573 --> 00:01:56,973 Speaker 3: I should not forget to talk about the Forgotten County 41 00:01:57,013 --> 00:01:59,893 Speaker 3: with you, Jack. So the thing about it is, no 42 00:01:59,933 --> 00:02:02,253 Speaker 3: matter where you're stubbing a road trip in Island from 43 00:02:02,373 --> 00:02:05,973 Speaker 3: let's say Dublin or Belfast or Cork, donny gare is 44 00:02:06,053 --> 00:02:08,973 Speaker 3: so far flung, tucked up in the northwest of the 45 00:02:09,013 --> 00:02:13,453 Speaker 3: country that it is not a passing through sort of experience. 46 00:02:13,453 --> 00:02:16,733 Speaker 3: So a lot of travelers most probably give it the flick, 47 00:02:16,853 --> 00:02:20,533 Speaker 3: they skip it, they miss it. But it's the sort 48 00:02:20,533 --> 00:02:24,413 Speaker 3: of place that if you purposefully decide to visit it 49 00:02:24,853 --> 00:02:26,853 Speaker 3: and it will just cast you under its spell. It's 50 00:02:26,973 --> 00:02:31,813 Speaker 3: wind whipped a sublime Atlantic coastline. You've got cinematic scenery, 51 00:02:32,373 --> 00:02:36,573 Speaker 3: charismatic heritage towns, and all across the landscape it's just 52 00:02:36,773 --> 00:02:40,053 Speaker 3: speckled with whispers of the past. Really is the sort 53 00:02:40,053 --> 00:02:42,973 Speaker 3: of place that just cannot fail to seduce you. 54 00:02:43,373 --> 00:02:46,813 Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds amazing, So talk to us about Sleeve League. 55 00:02:47,653 --> 00:02:51,933 Speaker 3: Yes, these monsters Jack are the highest accessible sea cliffs 56 00:02:51,973 --> 00:02:57,013 Speaker 3: in Europe. So you've got this stunning courtsite marvel vertically 57 00:02:57,093 --> 00:03:01,093 Speaker 3: thrusting up from the Atlantic, six hundred meters high, and 58 00:03:01,133 --> 00:03:04,053 Speaker 3: when you get to the top of the cliffs, it's 59 00:03:04,133 --> 00:03:07,933 Speaker 3: so high you cannot hear the chune. It's just silence. 60 00:03:09,653 --> 00:03:12,213 Speaker 3: So people in Ireland have been to Ireland may have 61 00:03:12,293 --> 00:03:15,413 Speaker 3: probably heard of the Cliffs of Moer. They're further south 62 00:03:16,493 --> 00:03:20,893 Speaker 3: and Sleeve Leg is like a supercised version of these cliffs. 63 00:03:21,093 --> 00:03:23,933 Speaker 3: They're just so massive and so high. So I went 64 00:03:23,933 --> 00:03:26,893 Speaker 3: into a place called Bunglass Viewpoint, that's where you go 65 00:03:26,973 --> 00:03:30,173 Speaker 3: for the money shot of that justing sprawl of cliffs, 66 00:03:31,053 --> 00:03:34,653 Speaker 3: and the mineral deposits in the cliff face are enchanting, 67 00:03:34,733 --> 00:03:37,773 Speaker 3: so they sort of glow in tones of amber and 68 00:03:37,893 --> 00:03:42,373 Speaker 3: white and red on a clear day. Turnaround, and right 69 00:03:42,453 --> 00:03:47,253 Speaker 3: behind you Island's iconic table mountain Ben Bolben, just stamping 70 00:03:47,293 --> 00:03:51,573 Speaker 3: its heft on the horizon. So you've got all the elements. 71 00:03:52,173 --> 00:03:56,133 Speaker 2: Sounds incredible. Were there some nice little trails or hikes there? 72 00:03:56,693 --> 00:04:01,493 Speaker 3: Yeah, there are so many hikes on offer. The one 73 00:04:01,533 --> 00:04:03,493 Speaker 3: that I would suggest, if you do want to stretch 74 00:04:03,493 --> 00:04:06,053 Speaker 3: your legs and add a dollarth of history to your hike, 75 00:04:06,653 --> 00:04:10,933 Speaker 3: go for the Pilgrim's Path. And its name as actually 76 00:04:10,933 --> 00:04:14,933 Speaker 3: a throwback to Ireland's penal laws under English rule when 77 00:04:16,253 --> 00:04:21,893 Speaker 3: Irish Catholic dissenters were forced to convert to the Anglican Church. 78 00:04:21,933 --> 00:04:24,773 Speaker 3: So what happened was this is quite amazing in itself. 79 00:04:25,013 --> 00:04:28,813 Speaker 3: Many of these Irish descenters, when they refused, they decided 80 00:04:28,813 --> 00:04:32,013 Speaker 3: they would go and meet in secret in remote places 81 00:04:32,093 --> 00:04:34,693 Speaker 3: like Sleeve Leg, God for saken place to you know, 82 00:04:34,773 --> 00:04:37,053 Speaker 3: have a mass. But that's what they did in these 83 00:04:37,053 --> 00:04:41,493 Speaker 3: little makeshift churches by basically building a stack of rocks 84 00:04:41,493 --> 00:04:44,253 Speaker 3: as a church. And you can see these old mass 85 00:04:44,373 --> 00:04:47,133 Speaker 3: rocks as they called, all along the path. It is 86 00:04:47,213 --> 00:04:47,893 Speaker 3: quite amazing. 87 00:04:48,013 --> 00:04:52,093 Speaker 2: Yeah, incredible. So from Sleeve League to Donegall Town, where 88 00:04:52,133 --> 00:04:53,653 Speaker 2: should you stop along the way? 89 00:04:54,413 --> 00:04:59,053 Speaker 3: Ah, the countryside is ridiculously good looking, So just soak 90 00:04:59,133 --> 00:05:03,453 Speaker 3: up that scenery all along the way. It's all crisscrossed 91 00:05:03,533 --> 00:05:07,133 Speaker 3: with those dry stone walls twisting ribbons of road. But 92 00:05:07,293 --> 00:05:10,173 Speaker 3: some of the attractions I really enjoyed. They've got some 93 00:05:10,293 --> 00:05:15,013 Speaker 3: stupendous bone white sandy beaches like my Cross Beach and 94 00:05:15,133 --> 00:05:19,453 Speaker 3: Fintra Beach. I had both beaches to myself body exfoliating 95 00:05:19,533 --> 00:05:23,133 Speaker 3: and supreme win left solitude. They had to say. Another 96 00:05:23,373 --> 00:05:27,853 Speaker 3: really cool place is called Cloagan Salmon Leap and it's 97 00:05:27,853 --> 00:05:31,693 Speaker 3: by Belly Boffy. Now this is home to the most 98 00:05:31,693 --> 00:05:35,413 Speaker 3: incredible site of salmon leaping upstream on the River Finn 99 00:05:35,493 --> 00:05:38,973 Speaker 3: And they don't just leap upstream Jack, they actually leap 100 00:05:39,133 --> 00:05:45,213 Speaker 3: up waterfalls as part of their migration to sport. I 101 00:05:45,253 --> 00:05:50,533 Speaker 3: only had just missed the bloody migration home, so I 102 00:05:50,733 --> 00:05:53,453 Speaker 3: missed it by a week. But if you go there 103 00:05:53,573 --> 00:05:58,413 Speaker 3: late summer early autumn after rain particularly apparently those salmon 104 00:05:58,453 --> 00:05:59,093 Speaker 3: justco nuts. 105 00:05:59,173 --> 00:06:00,973 Speaker 2: Yeah, does that mean there's good seafood? 106 00:06:01,733 --> 00:06:05,333 Speaker 3: Oh yes, my god, you will have a ball feasting 107 00:06:05,533 --> 00:06:08,573 Speaker 3: on the Atlantic. I went to this really cool village 108 00:06:08,973 --> 00:06:12,373 Speaker 3: called killy Begs and it's quite a small village but 109 00:06:12,453 --> 00:06:17,013 Speaker 3: it's home to the most enormous commercial fishing port, Ireland's busiest. 110 00:06:17,773 --> 00:06:21,373 Speaker 3: So they've got all these really old salty pubs which 111 00:06:21,413 --> 00:06:27,773 Speaker 3: deliver the most incredible, absurdly generous seafood chowders. The Irish 112 00:06:28,133 --> 00:06:30,933 Speaker 3: monkfish I would highly recommend. And what a lot of 113 00:06:30,973 --> 00:06:34,013 Speaker 3: people are doing I noticed is they are basically doing 114 00:06:34,733 --> 00:06:37,933 Speaker 3: the seafood equivalent of a pub call. So they'll just 115 00:06:37,973 --> 00:06:40,613 Speaker 3: sort of like go from one parble cafe to the 116 00:06:40,653 --> 00:06:44,813 Speaker 3: next on a sampling trek around killy Beggs, having all 117 00:06:44,813 --> 00:06:48,293 Speaker 3: sorts of succulent seafood dishes while you watch the fishing 118 00:06:48,293 --> 00:06:50,293 Speaker 3: boats lug in and out of port. That's a good 119 00:06:50,333 --> 00:06:50,733 Speaker 3: day out. 120 00:06:50,773 --> 00:06:52,333 Speaker 2: Oh how good. It's kind of like the Spanish and 121 00:06:53,093 --> 00:06:54,813 Speaker 2: you know, going have a little tapas or a little 122 00:06:54,853 --> 00:06:58,573 Speaker 2: pinch or somewhere else next. Yeah, so donegall was the 123 00:06:58,613 --> 00:07:00,133 Speaker 2: power base for the o'donnald Clan. 124 00:07:00,253 --> 00:07:04,253 Speaker 3: Right, Yes, so If you know of any O'Donnell's, chances 125 00:07:04,253 --> 00:07:07,173 Speaker 3: are donnegare will feature and their family tree and this 126 00:07:07,293 --> 00:07:09,973 Speaker 3: o'donnald plan. This is like the stuff of movies. They 127 00:07:10,093 --> 00:07:13,573 Speaker 3: ruled the roost in these parts for four hundred years. 128 00:07:13,933 --> 00:07:17,653 Speaker 3: They had forty two castles, they had nine monasteries. They 129 00:07:17,693 --> 00:07:20,573 Speaker 3: were one of the most powerful families or dynasties really 130 00:07:20,973 --> 00:07:24,453 Speaker 3: Ireland has ever seen. And then it all turned to 131 00:07:24,493 --> 00:07:27,453 Speaker 3: castad when the English rolled into town. I went to 132 00:07:27,533 --> 00:07:29,973 Speaker 3: donne Gaull Castle, which is in the heart of donne Gulltown. 133 00:07:30,333 --> 00:07:33,173 Speaker 3: It was ruined but has been restored and it does 134 00:07:33,213 --> 00:07:38,573 Speaker 3: the most incredible job vividly walking you through the battlescarred 135 00:07:38,613 --> 00:07:41,653 Speaker 3: story of the mighty O'donnalds. It really is something that 136 00:07:41,693 --> 00:07:43,213 Speaker 3: needs to be put on the big screen. It is 137 00:07:43,253 --> 00:07:43,773 Speaker 3: so epic. 138 00:07:43,933 --> 00:07:46,613 Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing. And what I took your interest in Donegaull Town. 139 00:07:47,773 --> 00:07:50,773 Speaker 3: Very vibrant, very colorful town jack so lots of fifes 140 00:07:50,813 --> 00:07:53,453 Speaker 3: and pubs are awesome dining. I tucked into a breast 141 00:07:53,453 --> 00:07:57,533 Speaker 3: of pigeon, sadly not one of our native wood pigeons, 142 00:07:58,733 --> 00:08:03,173 Speaker 3: so maybe not as tasty, but no exactly. It did 143 00:08:03,213 --> 00:08:06,213 Speaker 3: come with pumpkin, beetfoot and pomegranates, which I've decided as 144 00:08:06,533 --> 00:08:09,653 Speaker 3: very good mix with the breast of pigeon. Apparently they're 145 00:08:09,693 --> 00:08:11,893 Speaker 3: to local staple. Apparently the pigeons like they're going out 146 00:08:11,933 --> 00:08:15,813 Speaker 3: of business over there. Fantastic independent shops and this is 147 00:08:15,813 --> 00:08:18,733 Speaker 3: something which just really has stuck with me about Ireland. 148 00:08:19,453 --> 00:08:21,773 Speaker 3: A lot of their towns they don't have the dime 149 00:08:21,773 --> 00:08:26,093 Speaker 3: a dozen chain stores, you know, a lot of independent stores. 150 00:08:26,173 --> 00:08:29,573 Speaker 3: And virtually every Ilish Irish town I went into has 151 00:08:29,613 --> 00:08:34,253 Speaker 3: got its own family owned and operated department store. So 152 00:08:34,333 --> 00:08:36,653 Speaker 3: Donny Gaultown has got McGee. It's been going one hundred 153 00:08:36,653 --> 00:08:39,053 Speaker 3: and sixty years and it's sort of like where you 154 00:08:39,133 --> 00:08:40,973 Speaker 3: want to go if you want to buy some tweed 155 00:08:41,053 --> 00:08:45,693 Speaker 3: clothing or linen or crystal. Just such a distinctive shopping 156 00:08:45,733 --> 00:08:46,933 Speaker 3: experience in the island. 157 00:08:47,053 --> 00:08:49,053 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh that sounds like a lot of fun. Gosh, 158 00:08:49,213 --> 00:08:51,573 Speaker 2: I'm really envious Mike as always, but that does sound 159 00:08:51,613 --> 00:08:56,093 Speaker 2: really really interesting. And yeah, the Forgotten County maybe, but 160 00:08:56,253 --> 00:08:57,613 Speaker 2: it shouldn't be by the sounds of things. 161 00:08:57,933 --> 00:09:00,093 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much, sir J. 162 00:09:00,293 --> 00:09:03,373 Speaker 2: Where that you go? Yes, how are you feeling about Razor? 163 00:09:05,093 --> 00:09:09,173 Speaker 3: I was waiting I feel genuinely really sad about it. 164 00:09:09,253 --> 00:09:11,813 Speaker 3: I think there could have been otherwise New Zealand Rugby 165 00:09:11,813 --> 00:09:14,493 Speaker 3: and Captain Kirk could have handled this. For example, picking 166 00:09:14,613 --> 00:09:18,613 Speaker 3: up your editorial, if Kirk and friends has said, raiser, 167 00:09:18,853 --> 00:09:22,253 Speaker 3: we really think Addie Savia should be keptain and basically 168 00:09:22,293 --> 00:09:25,493 Speaker 3: give him an automatum, why was that not an option? 169 00:09:26,573 --> 00:09:29,493 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I guess then he'd feel like he's 170 00:09:29,493 --> 00:09:33,013 Speaker 2: being undermined or something. I do you know what I 171 00:09:33,053 --> 00:09:33,413 Speaker 2: have to. 172 00:09:33,373 --> 00:09:35,053 Speaker 3: Say, arguably have undermined him. 173 00:09:35,133 --> 00:09:37,693 Speaker 2: Well no, I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. 174 00:09:37,733 --> 00:09:41,013 Speaker 2: But I think what has been interesting is that over 175 00:09:41,013 --> 00:09:43,813 Speaker 2: the last few days there hasn't been really full throated 176 00:09:43,893 --> 00:09:48,733 Speaker 2: criticism of this decision. Apart from Mirgrae just then, there 177 00:09:48,733 --> 00:09:50,373 Speaker 2: aren't heaps of people who are saying this is a 178 00:09:50,453 --> 00:09:53,333 Speaker 2: terrible call, this is a disaster. I'm sure there are 179 00:09:53,373 --> 00:09:55,733 Speaker 2: some critics, but there aren't heaps of them. I don't 180 00:09:55,773 --> 00:09:59,613 Speaker 2: think anyone could argue that it was going really well, 181 00:10:00,893 --> 00:10:03,773 Speaker 2: which is that it couldn't have gone well. And you know, yeah, 182 00:10:03,773 --> 00:10:05,813 Speaker 2: it only had a couple of years. I totally get that. 183 00:10:05,973 --> 00:10:07,813 Speaker 3: But you know what, a number two ranked in the 184 00:10:07,853 --> 00:10:09,893 Speaker 3: world are yes. 185 00:10:09,493 --> 00:10:12,013 Speaker 2: Yes, and lots of things are outside of his control. 186 00:10:12,093 --> 00:10:14,973 Speaker 2: I think, first of which being that the degree to 187 00:10:15,013 --> 00:10:18,173 Speaker 2: which other teams have improved over the last few years. 188 00:10:18,213 --> 00:10:21,973 Speaker 2: But yeah, to that point, I just feel like, yeah, 189 00:10:22,013 --> 00:10:24,453 Speaker 2: maybe just couldn't you know, I don't think I think 190 00:10:24,453 --> 00:10:26,173 Speaker 2: it's been interesting that they have them in heaps and 191 00:10:26,173 --> 00:10:28,813 Speaker 2: heaps and heaps of people saying this is a terrible decision. 192 00:10:29,013 --> 00:10:30,773 Speaker 2: And I did think that David Cook the other day 193 00:10:30,773 --> 00:10:33,693 Speaker 2: actually was kind of do you I say, refreshing, especially 194 00:10:33,693 --> 00:10:35,413 Speaker 2: for someone from New Zealand Rugby, and that he was 195 00:10:35,493 --> 00:10:39,453 Speaker 2: just he was quite he spoken, simple language. I thought 196 00:10:39,533 --> 00:10:41,813 Speaker 2: there was kind of coherence to his arguments. But yeah, 197 00:10:42,213 --> 00:10:43,453 Speaker 2: I agree, it's a great shame. 198 00:10:43,493 --> 00:10:46,493 Speaker 3: I mean, I just wonder, given Kirk was head of 199 00:10:46,533 --> 00:10:51,853 Speaker 3: the players Association, does interesting player influence. 200 00:10:52,373 --> 00:10:56,613 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very good point actually, Okay, well, yeah, 201 00:10:57,373 --> 00:10:59,093 Speaker 2: I guess we'll watch the space and what happens over 202 00:10:59,093 --> 00:11:01,573 Speaker 2: the next few weeks. Who's next to take the reins? 203 00:11:01,573 --> 00:11:03,333 Speaker 2: But thank you very much to We'll make sure all 204 00:11:03,373 --> 00:11:06,373 Speaker 2: of Mike's tips for exploring County Donny gall are up 205 00:11:06,413 --> 00:11:08,053 Speaker 2: on the news talks he'd be website 206 00:11:08,413 --> 00:11:11,533 Speaker 1: For more From Saturday Morning with Jack Tame listen live 207 00:11:11,613 --> 00:11:14,453 Speaker 1: to news Talks i'd Be from nine am Saturday, or 208 00:11:14,493 --> 00:11:16,413 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio