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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather Dupercy Ellen drive with One New Zealand to

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Speaker 2: coverage like no one else.

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Speaker 1: News Talks Heavy.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, We're going

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Speaker 3: to talk climate because copp is under weigh and one

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Speaker 3: point five is officially dead. The Retirement Commissioner is going

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Speaker 3: to explain why she wants the government to take care

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Speaker 3: the poor, and will also tell you about the Auckland

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Speaker 3: retirement village that wants to ban evs.

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Speaker 1: Heather duper Cy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Ill get quick quiz for you. Think of the Labor Party,

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Speaker 3: who is the climate spokesperson? Yeah, no, you didn't get

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Speaker 3: it right, because it's Deborah Russell. I know, I didn't

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Speaker 3: think it was that either. I didn't know it. And

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Speaker 3: you know what, it's my job to know this kind

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Speaker 3: entirety of this year, thus far, Deborah has only put

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Speaker 3: out three press releases on the climate and the third

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Speaker 3: one was today and guess what it was about. It

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Speaker 3: was announcing that Deborah is going to the annual Global

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Speaker 3: Climate Conference COP thirty and she's going to be leaving

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Speaker 3: on Sunday, and she's going to be coming back Saturday,

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Speaker 3: which means she's there basically for a week, because of

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Speaker 3: course she is, because Hoe doesn't want to weaken Brazil

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Speaker 3: on the boss's credit card. I see what Deborah's doing,

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Speaker 3: but let's also see this for what it is, right,

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Speaker 3: Debrah's contribution to the climate this year is three press

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Speaker 3: all up, a net negative contribution to the climate, which

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Speaker 3: pretty much is the story. Though not to pick on

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Speaker 3: Deborah here, because this is what everybody's doing. This is

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Speaker 3: the story of every single cop isn't it. Thousands of

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Speaker 3: people fly into a place burning up who knows how

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Speaker 3: many emissions, only to have a gab fest, issue a

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Speaker 3: bunch of press releases and really achieve nothing, a massive

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Speaker 3: net negative for the climate. That's what Coppers. You know

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Speaker 3: what the big news story out of Coppers today that

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Speaker 3: it's failed. One point five is dead. It will not

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Speaker 3: be achieved. This was what we were told we needed

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Speaker 3: to do to save humanity. Hit one point five, keep

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Speaker 3: the temperatuisers to one point five no more. We have

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Speaker 3: known for a while that one point point five is dead.

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Speaker 3: It is now officially dead. So Debra is flying to

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Speaker 3: a conference that has already admitted that the aim of

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Speaker 3: the water. In which case it begs the question why

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Speaker 3: do we keep wasting emissions to go to an annual

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Speaker 3: get together that fails every single year. I think I've

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Speaker 3: got the answer because it means a week in Brazil.

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Speaker 3: Heather Dupluicy Ellen, Debrah's actually with us after five o'clock.

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Speaker 3: I might give her some suggestions about cool stuff to

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Speaker 3: do in Brazil. Nine two nine two is the text

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Speaker 3: number standard text fees applied now on the gefamcskimming case.

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Speaker 3: One of the concrete outcomes from that IPCA report is

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Speaker 3: the new role of the Inspector General of Police, which

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Speaker 3: has been established by Judith Collins. It will provide independent oversight,

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Speaker 3: but other than that very little detail was given. Now.

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Speaker 3: Elizabeth Hall is the co chair of the Defense Lawyers

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Speaker 3: Association and with us Hire. Elizabeth, are you convinced by

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Speaker 3: this as a solution.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think it's a complex problem and anything that's

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Speaker 4: a step in the direction of independence, genuine practical independence oversight.

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Speaker 3: Is welcomed.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure i'd call it a solution. Why not,

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Speaker 4: of what has been revealed I think is a culture

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Speaker 4: that they can bring concerns forward, so that the police

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Speaker 4: can investigate police officers police misconduct, both within their role

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Speaker 4: is police staff and for police officers that commit misconduct

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Speaker 5: As police officers.

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Speaker 4: And if people aren't in an environment where they feel

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Speaker 3: Do you think I mean in this case, would the

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Speaker 4: if they're not going to raise them in the system

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Speaker 5: Different system structure?

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Speaker 4: And I watched the press conference with the Attorney General

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Speaker 4: little detail given about what it actually would look like,

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Speaker 4: I think don't we just have to go back to

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Speaker 4: because we know from what's happened in New Zealand that

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Speaker 4: we have got instances of police misconduct, both within and

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Speaker 4: serious risks to public trust and to justice. Elizabeth police

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Speaker 4: has committed a crime in their private lives and have

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Speaker 3: I just keep wanting to interrupt you on this and

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Speaker 3: say to you, okay, and we're talking about a culture

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Speaker 3: in the police, But isn't this isn't this something that

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Speaker 3: any one of us could have fallen victim to that

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Speaker 3: We've got a friend, We've got somebody we think is

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Speaker 3: then you try to stop the other person who you

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Speaker 3: So couldn't any one of us have like is this

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Speaker 4: Okay, So, first of all, I think that the conversations

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Speaker 4: And I'm certainly happy to make those general you know,

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Speaker 4: a deeper issue. And that's one of the comments that

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Speaker 5: Of the human character.

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Speaker 4: And so yes, I think to a degree within it.

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Speaker 3: Are you still there, Elizabeth? If you can hear me,

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Speaker 3: you've muted yourself, So I need you to unmute yourself.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what's happened? Can you hear the birds?

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Speaker 3: Can you hear I can hear the birds? So you

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Speaker 3: know what's happened is somebody's turned on Elizabeth's car or

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Speaker 3: the Bluetooth player or I don't know, open the AirPods

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Speaker 3: worry about a bebe That's okay, I will run out

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Speaker 3: of time. Yeah, anyway, was it? Do you know what?

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Speaker 3: Can I just put something to you that I was

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Speaker 3: actually going to a last ask Elizabeth, And I am

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Speaker 3: a little bit I'm a bit bummed out that we

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Speaker 3: every single time I've heard the people in charge of

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Speaker 3: and there would even be an investigation. Look how quickly

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Speaker 3: they've moved on the legals on the employment side, right,

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Speaker 3: They've got a Casey involved. Casey's already dealing with the

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Speaker 3: If no laws have been broken here in the thing

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Speaker 3: that has been called a cover up, in the thing

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Speaker 3: that has been hinted at as being corruption, if no

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Speaker 3: to be charged over this, is there a possibility that

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Speaker 3: all of the ministers and richer Chambers have taken a

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Speaker 3: thing that is yes, significant, but hyped it up massively

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Speaker 3: big deal, but maybe not as big a deal. As

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Speaker 3: Bess. Heather Power corrupts. Absolutely, this is a Claire can't case.

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Speaker 3: Let's see the charges then, I don't think they're coming.

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Speaker 3: how are you feeling about this some English side? I

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Speaker 3: feel oh about the English side? Well, I feel like

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Speaker 3: they're beatable. I think the All Blacks will win the

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Speaker 3: Test match. And you know, I've got a great track

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Speaker 6: On the weekend.

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Speaker 7: I think I think we'll be okay. His history is

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Speaker 7: really interesting. The All Blacks have only lost one of

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Speaker 7: the last eleven against England. You have to go back

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Speaker 7: to twenty twelve to find the last time we lost

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Speaker 7: a Test at Twickenham. They're usually close games, but we

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Speaker 7: usually come out on the right side of them. That's

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Speaker 7: certainly they've been the case in the last sort of

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Speaker 7: I'm not entirely convinced by theirs. They've got the bomb

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Speaker 7: squad going with the six six forward reserves. They're calling

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Speaker 7: it the palm squad by the sounds of it off

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Speaker 7: their bench. So I think will be okay. I think

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Speaker 7: we'll be okay.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, what do you make of the debate? That

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Speaker 3: is a very small debate, but it's still a debate

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Speaker 3: about whether Simon Parker should be back in the starting side.

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Speaker 7: I don't mind that because I like what Waller so

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Speaker 7: Titi brings off the bench, and I think we need

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Speaker 7: to move past this, this delineation of bench versus starting,

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Speaker 7: and somehow starting a test matches is far more you know,

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Speaker 7: you know, illustrious than coming off the bench. Coming off

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Speaker 7: the bench is as important now to winning Test matches

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Speaker 7: as starting in the in the Jerseys one to fifteen,

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Speaker 7: Damian McKenzie proved that a week ago against Scotland when

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Speaker 7: he had that wonderful performance off the off the reserves bench.

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Speaker 7: So I don't mind to tt off the bench.

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Speaker 3: You're being a little you're being a bit like awards

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Speaker 3: for everyone here.

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Speaker 7: I mean no, no, I'm not no, honestly, South Africa.

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Speaker 7: South Africa worked it out well before anybody else that

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Speaker 7: you need twenty three players to win a game of

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Speaker 2: The day's newsmakers talked to Heather first, Heather Duplicy, Ellen

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Speaker 3: Do you remember the case of the brothers, the two brothers,

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Speaker 6: Is it going to end up in court?

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Speaker 10: Well, we're dealing with John Tommy Heady here, so I

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Speaker 3: remember how John Tarmer Heady was going around saying, oh,

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Speaker 3: Which is what Mario Meno, their mother had already told us. Wow,

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Speaker 2: The name you trumped to get the answers you need.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather dupla clan drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 3: So, Jane writes, and the Retirement Commissioner has had another

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Speaker 3: So the BBC has done it. It's apologized to Donald

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Speaker 3: And finally, a pub pain a pain, it's totally same.

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Speaker 2: Shame International correspondence when ends an eye insurance, peace of

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Kursle the US correspondents with US Hallo, Jonathan.

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Speaker 12: Ah Heather are the wonderful listeners across your beautiful network.

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Speaker 12: It is always a delight to speak.

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Speaker 3: It's so good to you speak to you mate. What's

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Speaker 12: Yeah, well, this is becoming or it has already become

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Speaker 12: We have now seen a push in the House to

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Speaker 12: Johnson essentially saying that this could this vote he will

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Speaker 12: that come up in November of twenty twenty six unless

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Speaker 12: insist that he's maintained that he's done nothing wrong, maintain

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Speaker 12: that he removed Jeffrey Epstein from his Mari Lugo property

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Speaker 12: because of issues that.

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Speaker 6: He had with him at that time.

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Speaker 12: Now we went for this crucial housemot to see just

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Speaker 3: Yes, And you're in Mexico right now, are you?

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Speaker 13: I am.

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Speaker 12: I am coming to you from life from Incinata in Mexico,

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Speaker 12: about two hours drive south of Siwana. For a case

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Speaker 12: an American citizen. We're here on a surfing trip on

438
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Speaker 12: the Baja Peninsula when they disappeared. They were later found

439
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Speaker 12: their bodies found dumped in a well in remote land,

440
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Speaker 12: not too far from where I am at the moment.

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Speaker 14: And today we've sent a development in court that is

442
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Speaker 14: essentially meant that the three men accused of the murders

443
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Speaker 14: have rejected a plea deal they were offered fifty two

444
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Speaker 14: and forty seven years, respectively.

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Speaker 12: Knocking that back, deciding that they will take the cast

446
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Speaker 12: of trouble. What that means is if they are found guilty, well,

447
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Speaker 12: it's going to mean life. And by life, I mean

448
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Speaker 12: life because the sentences that the prosecution want is three

449
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Speaker 12: hundred and seventy eight years for the alleged ring leader,

450
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Speaker 12: two hundred and ten years for his co accused. So

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Speaker 12: unless they invent some sort of magical miss and marvel

452
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Speaker 12: that extends human life, if these men are convicted, then

453
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Speaker 12: it looks like if they are convicted, they will die

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Speaker 12: in prison.

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Speaker 3: Jesus as rough asn't it? Jonathan, Thank you very much,

456
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Speaker 3: although I suppose you've got to pay for the crime.

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Cursley, US correspondent, nineteen away from five. So, as

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Speaker 3: I said at the start of the program, one point

459
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Speaker 3: five is dead. Now if you think we'll hold on,

460
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Speaker 3: I think I've heard that before you have, because it's

461
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Speaker 3: been pretty obvious for a while that one point five

462
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Speaker 3: is dead as and we were not going to limit

463
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Speaker 3: the the you know, rising temperatures to more to one

464
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Speaker 3: point five above the average. It was always going to

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Speaker 3: exceed that, and it's been obvious for a while that

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Speaker 3: we were never going to be able to do it.

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Speaker 3: And it really became obvious last year when we breached

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Speaker 3: one point five for the first time across a whole year.

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Speaker 3: But the scientist had said, you know, you just kind

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Speaker 3: of keep having to It was still technically feasible so

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Speaker 3: you kind of keep having to try, and the official

472
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Speaker 3: discussions were treating one point five degrees as though it

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Speaker 3: was still live. Now it is no longer live. It

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Speaker 3: is now dead. A new UN Environment Program report, which

475
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Speaker 3: was released just before COP thirty started, declared that dream

476
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Speaker 3: was over and the best the world could now achieve

477
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Speaker 3: was to spend as little time above one point five

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Speaker 3: degrees as possible. Deborah Russell, as I told you, is

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Speaker 3: going to COP. She's going to be with us after five.

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Speaker 3: She's the Labor Party spokesperson on that. Can we just

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Speaker 3: talk about lotto for a tech, right, because I've done

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Speaker 3: the thing that you've done. I heard fifty five million.

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Speaker 3: Have you bought your ticket?

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Speaker 1: Laura?

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Speaker 3: I The husband's in charge, but he's going to, isn't he?

486
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Speaker 3: Because you have a rule that when it hits thirty five,

487
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Speaker 3: is it thirty five? Okay? So she says, So the

488
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Speaker 3: rule in their family is when it has when a

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Speaker 3: jackpots to thirty five, they absolutely buy tickets. They own

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Speaker 3: buy tickets before I'm going to tack this is the

491
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Speaker 3: dumbest thing in the world, right, So they only buy

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Speaker 3: tickets when it starts jackpotting above thirty five or when

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Speaker 3: it is must go, So they are going to get

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Speaker 3: their tickets this weekend. Look, let's be honest, I'm probably

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Speaker 3: gonna get my tickets. But have you thought about how

496
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Speaker 3: dumb this is? Because your chances of winning the jackpot

497
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Speaker 3: are smaller than your chances of just winning every other week.

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Speaker 3: Because when it's a jackpot, everybody goes to buy the tickets,

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Speaker 3: right including us, which means that dilutes your own chance.

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Speaker 3: So if you actually want, and like, let's be honest

501
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Speaker 3: about it, would you if somebody said to you you've

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Speaker 3: won a million dollars in lotter, would you be like, well,

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Speaker 3: bugg of that, I wanted thirty five? I mean, you know,

504
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Speaker 3: like you take the million, wouldn't you? So you actually

505
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Speaker 3: should be playing on the off weeks, not on the

506
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Speaker 3: on weeks like we are here.

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Speaker 15: These are yours, not cost to shoote financial advice.

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Speaker 3: Not financial advice, but responsibly are eighteen blah blah blah,

509
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Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. You are more likely to get

510
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Speaker 3: hit by a car than win lotto. And how likely

511
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Speaker 3: are you to get hit by a car? Think about it, like,

512
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Speaker 3: think about it. How likely are you to get hit

513
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Speaker 3: by a car? You're not stupid, You're not going to

514
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Speaker 3: but still more likely than win lotto. The odds of

515
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Speaker 3: winning on a single line is one in thirty eight million,

516
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Speaker 3: three hundred and eighty three thousand, eight hundred. That is

517
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Speaker 3: eight thousand, eight hundred times less likely than you becoming

518
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Speaker 3: an all black. Like you are more likely to be

519
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Speaker 3: an all black than win loto, And think about the

520
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Speaker 3: state of your body right now, Right, you're also roughly

521
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Speaker 3: ten thousand times less likely to win than to ever

522
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Speaker 3: have been a New Zealand Olympian. Also, you go get

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Speaker 3: yourself a coin and see if you can flip heads

524
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Speaker 3: twenty five times in a row, every single time heads

525
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Speaker 3: heads heads heads twenty five times. Right, you are still

526
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Speaker 3: more likely to do that than win lotto. Sixteen away from.

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Speaker 2: Five Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 2: payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Hither I won Loto and I was hit by a

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Speaker 3: car thirteen away from five, very so for senior political

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Speaker 3: correspondents with me, Hello Barry.

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Speaker 16: Good afternoon. Hither I've almost been hit by a car.

533
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Speaker 16: And if I am cycling and you have one lotto berry, well,

534
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Speaker 16: if I six hundred dollars on the way home to

535
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Speaker 16: I'll then go out and take a lotto ticket.

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Speaker 3: What was that?

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Speaker 15: As I've almost won Loto before as well anymore, and

538
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Speaker 15: since he's.

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Speaker 3: Almost one Loto before, this feels very unscientific. What is

540
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Speaker 3: happening right now? Talk to me about the Maori Party? Well,

541
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Speaker 3: how could it possibly get worse? And yet it does?

542
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Speaker 16: Well, It's incredible, isn't it When you think the Maori

543
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Speaker 16: Party in terms of the national vote is inconsequential. But

544
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Speaker 16: why we talk about it so much is that if

545
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Speaker 16: Labor gets itself in a position next year to form

546
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Speaker 16: a government, then these people will be in that government

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Speaker 16: and more likely at the cabinet table. That's who will

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Speaker 16: be left of them, if they've got anyone left of them.

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Speaker 16: This morning, the new Independent MP like you said, Takuta Ferris,

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Speaker 16: told Radio New Zealand that talked by the party's president

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Speaker 16: John Tammerherry of an attempt to take over of the

552
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Speaker 16: party's leadership was a made up story. Pharah says the

553
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Speaker 16: story had its origins with a statement made by the

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Speaker 16: parties former president Nida Glavish and what he said went

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Speaker 16: something like this.

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Speaker 10: It's an invented story by John Tommy Headack about four

557
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Speaker 10: or five months ago, a leader in the North, Dame

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Speaker 10: Nada Glavish, told JT that she thought he should step

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Speaker 10: down and that Rawdi and Debbie should move aside, and

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Speaker 10: her view was that Mridiamenal and Tarkuter should be leading

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Speaker 10: the party.

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Speaker 1: She hadn't talked to me.

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Speaker 10: I hadn't talked to her. I'm not even in the picture,

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Speaker 10: not even remotely in it. I was informed that by Muddiamnal.

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Speaker 10: She told me that I'm just sort of oh well,

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Speaker 10: we'll have to just wait and see.

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Speaker 17: Now.

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Speaker 10: I ended up at a dinner with fire Nada in

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Speaker 10: August and she was openly saying that to all in attendance.

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Speaker 10: So you see, John's taken that story and manipulated it

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Speaker 10: into oh mdiamno Intarcuter trying to take over.

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Speaker 1: It's completely untrue.

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Speaker 16: He's not the flavor of the month, John Tammy, Herry

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Speaker 16: is he? And it's interesting. I've had that story verified

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Speaker 16: by Nida Glavit. I talked to her. She's in Australia

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Speaker 16: at the moment, but I think she'll be talking to

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Speaker 16: a national Hui when she gets back next week, and

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Speaker 16: I think there'll be more fireworks there and some of

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Speaker 16: your older listeners may remember Dame Knada Glavish got a

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Speaker 16: lot of publicity in nineteen eighty four at the dying

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Speaker 16: stage of the Muldoon government that she was a telephone

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Speaker 16: operator here in Auckland and always answered the orto the

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Speaker 16: call cura and that caused a hell of astir She

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Speaker 16: was demoted, but then Rob Talbot, who was the Postmaster

585
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Speaker 16: General under Muldoon, persuaded Muldoon to reverse it. Now, of course, Kiora,

586
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Speaker 16: look how far that's.

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Speaker 3: Kind of crazy, that is even involved at level incredible.

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Speaker 3: Talk to me about the COP thirty conference. How many

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Speaker 3: people are we sending? There's about fifteen, isn't.

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Speaker 16: It fifteen people?

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Speaker 18: You know?

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Speaker 16: How many people are going there?

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Speaker 3: Thousands?

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Speaker 16: How many do you think? Here's a question thouss like

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Speaker 16: you started this program for the question exactly tictic. How

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Speaker 16: many people attended the biggest COP conference in Dubai twenty thousand?

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Speaker 3: No, thirty thousand, wasn't it more than that? Fifty? More

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Speaker 3: one hundred?

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Speaker 16: No under that eighty thousand. Now we're in eighty thousand

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Speaker 16: in Dubai in Brazil, which is a lovely place to go.

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Speaker 16: Of course, I'll be done in Coca Cobana no time.

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Speaker 16: I would think fifty six thousand. It's like transporting the

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Speaker 16: whole of Napier to.

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Speaker 3: Brazil and all the associated climate emissions. Yeah, you total

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Speaker 3: all the damage.

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Speaker 16: To it will be such a negative effect on the climate.

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Speaker 16: But look, it'll be interesting because simon what climate change

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Speaker 16: minister he's going there, and the submission he'll be making

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Speaker 16: is he said he'll be focused no quotum on deepening

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Speaker 16: cooperation to support New Zealand's own transition to a low

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Speaker 16: emission climate resilient economy through innovation, technology and investment. And

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Speaker 16: then Debba Russell, because you're going to have her on

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Speaker 16: what's she going to contribute? Well, I'm not sure she'll

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Speaker 16: be able to tell you that, but she did say

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Speaker 16: in her press release announcing her decision to go there

616
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Speaker 16: that Chris Luckson's government is taking them us backwards by

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Speaker 16: watering down at targets, So no doubt she'll have that

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Speaker 16: sort of message. So we'll be arguing with each other

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Speaker 16: at this conference of fifty six thousand people. I don't

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Speaker 16: think we'll be noticed.

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Speaker 3: Thank God. What's the National Ewee Chairs Forum representative there?

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Speaker 16: For we're at the climatgation. Yeah, well you know, I

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Speaker 16: guess you know it'll have something to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, probably treaty obligation to time obviously. Right, Okay, police

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Speaker 3: graduates have heard from the top today that.

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Speaker 16: They have and you can imagine being a new graduate.

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Speaker 16: I mean you're told to respect the officers at the

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Speaker 16: top of your institution. Well, Richard Chambers, he was giving

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Speaker 16: an address and now they're graduating in Auckland as well

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Speaker 16: as Wellington because they've moved a school up to here,

631
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Speaker 16: and he talked about his predecessors for their group think

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Speaker 16: self interest.

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Speaker 3: I still still going hard on it.

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Speaker 16: Well he is, and you know, full on interestingly. I

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Speaker 16: found the patron of this wing here in Auckland is

636
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Speaker 16: John Key. And John Key himself knows what controversy is

637
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Speaker 16: all about because he was the center of the ammunition

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Speaker 16: when it came to dirty politics. He was accused of

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Speaker 16: feeding right wing bloggers information and made himself look.

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Speaker 1: So clean he was.

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Speaker 3: It was his office. Well that's what it was, he

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Speaker 3: and his officer. We'll talk to you later in rap

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Speaker 3: the political week that was. It's very super political. Senior

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Speaker 3: political correspondent. Beout quarter pass six right now seven away

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Speaker 3: from five. Heather, incorrect. It is the same odds to win,

646
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Speaker 3: but you have more odds of having to share the

647
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Speaker 3: winnings this week, Heather, think about it. More people buying

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Speaker 3: lotto cannot reduce the chance of winning. It increases your

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Speaker 3: chance of sharing the prizes. B thank you, Thank you, Rob,

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Speaker 3: thank you anonymous text beforehand. Five away from five. Oh,

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Speaker 3: it's really four away from five. To be fair, listen,

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Speaker 3: potent Potan has got a bit of a day care

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Speaker 3: problem that is bigger than just being a day care problem.

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Speaker 5: Potin.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you're aware of this, but Putin

656
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Speaker 3: has exact replicas of his offices in different parts of Russia,

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Speaker 3: so that when you see him on tally or in photographs,

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Speaker 3: you don't know where in the country he is. It's

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Speaker 3: impossible to tell. He could be anywhere. And basically it's

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Speaker 3: to thwart potential attacks, right, And so what his offices

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Speaker 3: is like, Basically, it's this gigantic kind of mahogany square desk.

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Speaker 3: He's got three phones on the left hand side in

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Speaker 3: a row. He's got a lamp, he's got a computer.

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Speaker 3: He's got a really big TV on a stand in

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Speaker 3: front of the desk. Flags behind the wall. The walls

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Speaker 3: are kind of like a light cream, and then around

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Speaker 3: the doorways and various kind of bits there's a darker

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Speaker 3: cream and it looks exactly the same, right, except it's

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Speaker 3: not actually exactly the same. So what's happened is people

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Speaker 3: have now been studying this and they have found there

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Speaker 3: are a bunch of ways that the officers are just

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Speaker 3: even so slightly different actually tell where he is. So,

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Speaker 3: for example, the handle of the door that is by

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Speaker 3: the desk and his official residence at Novo Orgariyova just

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Speaker 3: outside of Moscow, is just slightly lower than the door

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Speaker 3: handles and the other two officers, So if he's got

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Speaker 3: a slightly lower door handle, they know where he is.

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Speaker 3: He's got wall panels behind him, and they're all exactly

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Speaker 3: the same, except the wall panel in the Sochi office

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Speaker 3: is about ten centimeters lower than the dividing But in

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Speaker 3: all the other offices the TV stands the legs in

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Speaker 3: two of them are curved, but in the one outside

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Speaker 3: Moscow the legs are straight. So now that it's been

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is like, if you think about it,

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Speaker 3: these guys mean serious business, Like this is very rookie

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Speaker 3: errors for them. I'm gonna have to redecorate completely, I think.

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Speaker 3: Deborah Russell of the Labor Party on Climate Next.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can try the truck to

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Speaker 2: ask the questions, the answers, find a fag sack and

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Speaker 2: give the analysis. Heather Duplicy Ell and Drive with One

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Speaker 2: New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news dogs

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Speaker 2: V Afternoon.

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Speaker 3: The world has failed to meet its big target of

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Speaker 3: limiting the rising global temperatures to one point five degrees celsius.

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Speaker 3: The UN now says that we are likely to breach

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Speaker 3: this threshold in the next decade. And they say this because,

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Speaker 3: of course, world leaders are making their way to the

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Speaker 3: COP thirty summit in Brazil, including a New Zealand delegation

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Speaker 3: of fifteen people, and among them is Debrah Russell, Labour's

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Speaker 3: climate change spokesperson.

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Speaker 5: Hello, Debrah cure, Heather, how are you well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you? What is the point in going to an

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Speaker 3: annual get together that has already failed?

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Speaker 5: All the get together hasn't failed.

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Speaker 19: We actually need to keep on working to keep the

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Speaker 19: warming of.

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Speaker 5: The planet as low as possible.

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Speaker 19: Yes, we've missed that one point five but we can

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Speaker 19: hopefully still pull it back and the only way we're

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Speaker 19: going to do that is by all of us working together.

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Speaker 3: Why I say it's failed is because four cops are

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Speaker 3: got a cop twenty six. The whole point of the

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Speaker 3: thing was to keep one in five alive and it's

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Speaker 3: failed within four years. It's a failure.

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Speaker 5: Well, we still need to work on it.

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Speaker 19: The fact is that we will be faced with absolute

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Speaker 19: disaster if we cannot.

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Speaker 5: Haul global warming in.

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Speaker 19: Somehow, so we actually need to keep on trying to

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Speaker 19: find a way to do it. It does seem it's

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Speaker 19: a really hard task and we're not going to achieve

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Speaker 19: it unless we do actually keep on trying.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what is your plan.

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Speaker 5: When I get there?

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Speaker 19: When I'm traveling with the Minister's delegation, so I will

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Speaker 19: accompany him to some of his meetings. I also want

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Speaker 19: to find out as much as I can about me

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Speaker 19: sane and about some of the solutions for agriculture around

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Speaker 19: the world. That's a pressing problem for us in New Zealand,

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Speaker 19: and it helps as many of us as possible know

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Speaker 19: as much about it as possible.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what I was meaning is, do you have a

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Speaker 3: plan on how we manage to stay within one point five? Sorry?

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Speaker 19: I didn't pick that up, not a detailed plan, because

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Speaker 19: it's very hard to do that from opposition. But yes,

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Speaker 19: I do think we need to look at getting our

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Speaker 19: transport fleet to electric as soon as possible. I think

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Speaker 19: we need to try to get our agricultural emissions down

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Speaker 19: while still keeping our farmers profitable. It will be hard,

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Speaker 19: but we've got to do it.

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Speaker 3: It's too expensive. We haven't got the money on either

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Speaker 3: of those things.

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Speaker 5: Actually, I disagree with that, Heather.

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Speaker 19: I think in terms of once we start to make

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Speaker 19: this move, I think there we'll find there's plenty of.

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Speaker 5: Money in it.

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Speaker 19: There are ways, for example, to do solar power that

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Speaker 19: then is cheaper than fossil fuel power, and so on,

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Speaker 19: so we can generate money through green jobs and through

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Speaker 19: the whole transition through to a carbon Oh.

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Speaker 3: My gosh, you know what you give it you it's

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Speaker 3: triggering me. I feel like you're taking me back to

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Speaker 3: story days. What you guys need to do. Listen, this

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Speaker 3: is just a piece of advice. Anything that reminds us

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Speaker 3: of just sind it. Just get it out of the

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Speaker 3: vocab because it's a bad time for many of us.

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Speaker 3: Where do you stand on buying offshore carbon credits, yes

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Speaker 3: or no.

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Speaker 19: It's complicated. I think we should be doing our bit offshore,

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Speaker 19: but one of the ways to do it is by

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Speaker 19: helping our Pacific neighbors with their carbon effort.

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Speaker 17: Yes.

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Speaker 3: But do you agree with the idea of putting money

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Speaker 3: towards buying offshore carbon credits to offset what we're doing.

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Speaker 5: No, I'd rather see us doing it on shore.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so that's an absolutely.

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Speaker 20: No.

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Speaker 3: Labour's not going to send money overseas to plant.

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Speaker 20: No.

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Speaker 5: If we have to do it, we will. But would

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Speaker 5: you spend We don't know, because we need to put

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Speaker 5: our plans in.

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Speaker 3: Possibly twenty four billion dollars possibly twenty four and that's

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Speaker 3: a last count, not taking into account inflation. Would you

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Speaker 3: spend that much?

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Speaker 12: Well?

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Speaker 19: No, I want to try to do stuff on shore

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Speaker 19: as much as possible first.

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Speaker 3: And start is something that money tree now, not just trees.

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Speaker 19: I mean there's ways to actually get our missions down,

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Speaker 19: not just to offset them. So really do need to

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Speaker 19: work on that. No, of course I want to keep

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Speaker 19: the money here.

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Speaker 3: Oh lord, we all do. Deborah, Thanks very much, appreciate

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Speaker 3: your time and enjoy Brazil. Deborah Russell, climate change spokesperson

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Speaker 3: eleven past five. Ever, the Retirement Commissioner is pushing for

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Speaker 3: changes to key we savor at no extra cost to

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Speaker 3: the taxpay And how this would happen would be to

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Speaker 3: increase the government's key we save a contribution for people

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Speaker 3: on lower incomes by taking it away from people on

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Speaker 3: higher incomes. Jane Wrightson is the Retirement Commissioner with us Now, Hyjane, Oh,

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Speaker 3: you make.

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Speaker 21: Me sound so mean, Hello, Heather, Well, it.

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Speaker 3: Does it does? I mean, yeah, I mean Peter to

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Speaker 3: pay Paul. But Paul obviously needs it. So at what

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Speaker 3: point do you cut Peter off?

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Speaker 21: You cut Peter off at a relatively high income level.

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Speaker 21: So what happened to earlier this year is that the

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Speaker 21: government decided to reduce its contribution to two hundred and

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Speaker 21: fifty dollars a year. Right, So people on higher incomes,

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Speaker 21: that's nothing. It's no motivation, it's no incentives, it's just nothing.

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Speaker 21: So people on lower incomes it makes a higher proportion

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Speaker 21: of their retirement savings over time. So the dilemma we

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Speaker 21: face when we published our review today, which is quite

805
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Speaker 21: a wide ranging look at what needs to change, is

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Speaker 21: that there are a couple of things that are really

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Speaker 21: quite important. One is thinking harder around parental even how

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Speaker 21: to cover that and fund that properly so that people

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Speaker 21: taking leave don't lose too much of their savings ability,

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Speaker 21: and thinking also about temporary migrants and how to attract

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Speaker 21: them and to stay in New Zealand. And that would

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Speaker 21: be to actually adjoining Gimizda, which I can't currently do.

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Speaker 21: So the problem about all that was, of course, we

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Speaker 21: sit at a fiscal envelope. As they say that the

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Speaker 21: total government spend on government contributions right now is about

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Speaker 21: five hundred and forty five million. Now I knew if

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Speaker 21: I went to Minister Willis and said could I have

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Speaker 21: a few squillion dollars to do something new, she would

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Speaker 21: laugh at me, so as she does with everybody else

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Speaker 21: who says could I have a few squillion dollars? So

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Speaker 21: we worked within the fiscal envelope and thought quite hard

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Speaker 21: about whether where the government contributions matter the most right

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Speaker 21: and they matter the most to people.

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Speaker 22: On lower income.

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Speaker 21: For people that earning less than thirty thousand, the government

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Speaker 21: contribution used to be about fifteen or twenty percent of

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Speaker 21: their total key with save of balance at age sixty

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Speaker 21: five and following the changes in this year's budget, it's

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Speaker 21: going to be around a reven For people over one

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Speaker 21: hundred and eighty thousand now don't get anything because that

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Speaker 21: was wiped. So the rich people are all dumb. And

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Speaker 21: for members earning say over one hundred thousand dollars a year,

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Speaker 21: the government contribution fell from about five percent of people's

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Speaker 21: balance to about one percent. And I don't know anybody

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Speaker 21: earning six figures who thinks that two fifty dollars a

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Speaker 21: year is meaningful. Therefore, let's put it somewhere where it

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Speaker 21: is meaningful.

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Speaker 3: That's a fair point, Deborah, rather Joan, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: I do appreciate your time so much as Jane write

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Speaker 3: some Deborah retirement commissioner. Deborah is on my brain, oh

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Speaker 3: five fourteen, Heather duper c l nebra is living read

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Speaker 3: three in my house, which is my head. It's because

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Speaker 3: the texts coming in about Deborah. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: be mean to Deborah because I really I think, I mean,

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Speaker 3: come on, you know she tried. You know she tried,

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Speaker 3: and she's a good sort. Try to answer the questions, Heather,

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Speaker 3: it's a junket. She's going over to find out more

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Speaker 3: about me. Thank come on, what a load of BS.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know because if you want to find

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Speaker 3: out it was there any other place? Is there any

851
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 3: place better to find out about methane than New Zealand,

852
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 3: which is trying to advocate for the split gas. I mean,

853
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 3: we are like donkey deep in the methane, right, so

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Speaker 3: you could stay here. We know more than Brazil, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Deborah Russell's best response to questions to solve climate change

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Speaker 3: is that it's complicated. Get her off the radio. Craig

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Speaker 3: has just sent me the lyrics to Dream, Dream Dream.

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Speaker 3: All I want to do is dream, Dream, Dream, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Nothing is too expensive for labor to do. That is,

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Speaker 3: unfortunately the truth. Don't be too We're not going to

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Speaker 3: be too unkind to Deborah, okay, cause she is trying

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Speaker 3: and this is a big This is a big trip

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Speaker 3: for her quarter past. Hey, if you're looking for a

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00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: little more wonder in your life, it may be time

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Speaker 3: to wander. There is no better place than Japan, by

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Speaker 3: the way. In Full Bloom Asia Tours is offering an

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Speaker 3: unforgettable eleven day spring journey through Tokyo, Kyoto and Allsaca

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Speaker 3: and beyond, all timed perfectly for the cherry blossom season

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Speaker 3: and that is absolutely when you want to be there,

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Speaker 3: you will stroll through. We now park the Philosopher's Path,

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Speaker 3: Shendjuku Gawin under a canopy of Sakura, visit Mount Fuji,

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Speaker 3: quin Kakuji and Forshimi and Ari Shrine, and still have

873
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Speaker 3: time to explore Tokyo and Aorsaca at your own pace.

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Speaker 3: Deborah may be talking rubbish, but she does have a

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Speaker 3: wonderful speaking voice. We're going to focus on the positives today.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen past five. Now about this. A retirement village on

887
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 3: Auckland's north shore is looking at banning electric cars. Fairview

888
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 3: Lifestyle Village is a mediation with residents on the issue

889
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: because they're worried about the risk of a lithium battery fire.

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Speaker 3: Kirston Causon is the chair of Drive Electric and is

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Speaker 3: with us high Kirsten, Hi, Heather, is this reasoning?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

893
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 3: Thank you.

894
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 22: No, I'm not sure that they've actually sought this through

895
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Speaker 22: and analyzed the data.

896
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Speaker 3: What would the tellery thing? Did?

897
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Speaker 22: Evs are twenty five times less likely to catch fire

898
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 22: than a picture or a.

899
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Speaker 3: Diesel vehicle, even just stationary.

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Speaker 22: Even just stationary.

901
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, what causes a petrol or a diesel vehicle to

902
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 3: just combust if it's stationary?

903
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Speaker 22: Oh no, that's if you know, if it's in an

904
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Speaker 22: accident or you know.

905
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Speaker 3: That's what I mean, like if you've got Because what

906
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Speaker 3: about when we just measure it, when it's just sitting

907
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: outside the house doing nothing. Isn't an electric vehicle more

908
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: likely to burn.

909
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 22: Only if it's been damaged? And to be honest, if

910
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 22: you look at something like your cheap and cheerful power tools,

911
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 22: they're fifty times more likely to catch fire than an EV.

912
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 3: Right, So it's it not like because I think what's

913
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 3: happened here, Kirsten there's a lot of people have looked

914
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Speaker 3: at the examples that we've seen with you know, the

915
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Speaker 3: charging of the electric bikes and apartments in Wellington and

916
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: nick minute they're on fire and exploding in people's faces,

917
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 3: and people have then just transferred that over to electric

918
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 3: vehicles not a problem. Yeah.

919
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Speaker 22: Look what you'll see with scooters and e bikes and

920
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Speaker 22: is that when they're imported, there's no certification on their

921
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 22: battery and there's no annual servicing on those batteries, so

922
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 22: they are far more likely to catch fire than an

923
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 22: actual EV that has a certified battery and has a

924
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Speaker 22: servicing regime.

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Speaker 3: Okay, is there a middle ground that we can strike

926
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Speaker 3: here with the residents the lifestyle village where maybe if

927
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Speaker 3: they're worried about these cars, these cars can just be

928
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Speaker 3: parked a little bit away from the the units or

929
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Speaker 3: something like that.

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Speaker 22: Look you if you look at a country like Norway

931
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Speaker 22: where ninety percent of their cars, you know, new car

932
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Speaker 22: sales are electric now and thirty percent of their fleet,

933
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Speaker 22: you know they're they're not concerned about this. You know

934
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Speaker 22: they're not parking evs away. And when you think about

935
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Speaker 22: New Zealand, government has got a target that we get

936
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Speaker 22: to thirty percent by twenty thirty. You know, evs are

937
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Speaker 22: going to be the future of mobility. So if they

938
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Speaker 22: want to have a viable business, you know, moving forward,

939
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Speaker 22: they they have to accept that. You know, electrification is

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Speaker 22: going to be the mode of mobility in the future.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Kirstin, thanks very much, appreciate your Ti'm Kirsten Causon

942
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 3: the chair of Drive Electric. Listen. We are going to

943
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 3: have to when we get a chance, and I suspect

944
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 3: it's going to be just before six o'clock, but we're

945
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Speaker 3: going to have to talk about Andy cost A's possible

946
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: payout because I think I have a suspicion you and

947
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 3: I may be paying maybe millions maybe, So we'll talk

948
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Speaker 3: through that. Also, there's a furrory over a literary journal

949
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Speaker 3: you've probably never heard of. It's called Folly, and Whitkeles

950
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: has pulled it because whitkle says it's too racy. But

951
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: it sounds like Folly doesn't know like what part of

952
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 3: it is so racy it has to be pulled off

953
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Speaker 3: the shelves. So we'll have a chat to them. This

954
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Speaker 3: is Folly, the editor in about fifteen minutes. Next up,

955
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Speaker 3: it's the BBC five twenty two.

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Speaker 2: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in

957
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Speaker 2: your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen

958
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Speaker 2: Drive with One New Zealand and the power of Satellite

959
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Speaker 2: Mobile News.

960
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Speaker 1: Talks nd B Heather.

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Speaker 3: If Debraah wants to learn about methane, she could probably

962
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Speaker 3: try Google. It will give her heaps of info on

963
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Speaker 3: metho and heaps methane and heaps of other stuff as well.

964
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Speaker 3: I know, Grant, thank you for that five twenty five.

965
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: So the BBC blink first. It blink first. It's apologized

966
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 3: to Donald Trump for twisting his words. Now I would

967
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 3: love to say this is the first time that the

968
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: BBC has ever apologized to a sitting American prison, but

969
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 3: it turns out it isn't. In two thousand and three,

970
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: it apologized to George W. Bush for mistakingly cutting to

971
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 3: a clip of him having his hairstyled and his makeup

972
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 3: applied before he went live on Talley to announce to

973
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: Americans that the invasion of Iraq was underway. So an

974
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 3: apology has happened before. But you decide for yourself which

975
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 3: is more serious. The apology for Bush's makeup footage or

976
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 3: the apology for twisting Trump's words so it sounded like

977
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,959
Speaker 3: he was encouraging violence at the Capitol when he wasn't

978
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 3: encouraging violence at the capital. Now, you know, there is

979
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 3: one word that I would use to characterize how the

980
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 3: BBC and its current and its former staff have behaved

981
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 3: in the last week, which is arrogance. The corporation didn't

982
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: apologize to Trump until the very last minute, until they

983
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: were basically forced to under the threat of his legal suit.

984
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: They should have done this basically two weeks ago when

985
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 3: they were first busted. They should have immediately owned up,

986
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: said yep, we got it wrong and apologized to Trump

987
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: for what they did. But probably actually for them until

988
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 3: they were forced to apologizing to the man that they

989
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 3: sneer at so much was just too much for them.

990
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: Former staff have made excuses. They've trivialized what the BBC

991
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 3: has done, They've minimized it. Even the former boss who

992
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 3: quit over this has pretended that it wasn't really that

993
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 3: big a deal because it was just being weaponized by

994
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 3: the BBC's quote enemies. Now you know what the problem

995
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 3: is here? I suspect it's that they actually don't even

996
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 3: think that this is this bad. They don't think that

997
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: what they've done is that bad at all. It turns out,

998
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 3: we now find out another program, Newsnight, has also weirdly

999
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 3: edited the same Trump speech. So maybe their own arrogance

1000
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 3: and bias is so strong that they don't even think

1001
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: even now that what they've done is something to be

1002
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Speaker 3: ashamed of.

1003
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: CLS.

1004
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 3: So the Newsnight thing came out overnight. It's not as

1005
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 3: bad as the Panorama one. This is what they had

1006
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 3: him saying, we.

1007
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 20: Got to cheer on our brave senators and congress men

1008
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 20: and women.

1009
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 16: And we fight, We fight like hell.

1010
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 3: And then this is the original.

1011
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 16: We got it.

1012
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 20: Cheer on our brave senators and congress men and women,

1013
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,959
Speaker 20: and we're probably not going to be cheering so much

1014
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 20: for some of them.

1015
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 3: I mean, one is so like one hundred percent so

1016
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 3: much less menacing, isn't It didn't suit didn't didn't suit

1017
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 3: the narrative at the BBC. Anyway, We will talk to Kaolivi,

1018
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: she's with US correspondent quarter to seven. Next up, though,

1019
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 3: let's talk about this literary journal and what what was

1020
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 3: so racy that Whipples couldn't possibly have it on the

1021
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 3: shelves and then the sports huddle.

1022
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

1023
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage

1024
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: like no one else news talks.

1025
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Speaker 23: They'd be remember when we were driving, driving in your

1026
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 23: car speed only.

1027
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Speaker 3: The residents mobil't hascooters are a bigger threat than the

1028
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 3: ev is given that they are charged indoors. So very

1029
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: good points. Now you'll have seen that the Convita takeover

1030
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 3: bid has failed today. We're going to get you across

1031
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 3: that after six o'clock. Also, by the way, if you

1032
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 3: if you're one of those people who's like, yes, we

1033
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 3: need to cap the rates, yep, stop the councils from

1034
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 3: raising the rates. If you think that that's a good idea,

1035
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 3: which I think is a terrible idea, I'm going to

1036
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 3: tell you why it's a terrible idea. In fact, I'm

1037
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 3: going to get somebody else to tell you why it's

1038
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 3: a terrible idea. That person is Sue Heinz, the Northern

1039
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 3: Beaches mayor from Sydney, who's in the country at the moment.

1040
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 3: She's with us in the our's time, So stay tuned.

1041
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: And also got the sports huddle standing by it's twenty

1042
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 3: four away from six. Now we have a weird case

1043
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 3: of a bookstore pulling something off its shelves. Witkells has

1044
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 3: hidden copies of Folly Journal around the country and are

1045
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 3: now only offering Folly Journal when customers ask for it.

1046
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 3: Emily Broadmore is the editor and is with us now. Hey, Emily, Hi,

1047
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 3: thanks having me on. Thank you for joining us. Do

1048
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 3: you know what you've done that's offended Whitkills.

1049
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 24: We're really perplexed. We're going through the journal and trying

1050
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 24: to figure that out. Yes, there is a lot of

1051
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 24: sexy stories, risque content, but there's also an interview with

1052
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 24: the Reserve Bank chief economist that's really there's a couple

1053
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 24: of sea bombs. Yeah, that's pretty hard to tell when

1054
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 24: you think of other things that are struck at Whitkells,

1055
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Speaker 24: like Fifty Shades of Gray, for instance.

1056
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Speaker 3: We have no whips.

1057
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 24: We've got a lot, there's a lot of sex, but

1058
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Speaker 24: there's no whips.

1059
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Speaker 3: Okay, So is it just this s edition or is

1060
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 3: it all Follies.

1061
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Speaker 24: Well, we've sold out of all the other ones, so

1062
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 24: right now it's just this edition. But they have told

1063
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 24: the distributor that they don't want our any more copies

1064
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 24: in the future. Either it goes against their family values.

1065
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 3: Oh, the family values that have them stocking fifty Shades

1066
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Speaker 3: of Gray.

1067
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Speaker 24: Yeah, and all that romanticy where wolf romance stuff.

1068
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's pretty weird. Okay, And like genuinely, Emily,

1069
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 3: they haven't explained to you what exactly it is that's

1070
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Speaker 3: caused them to get so squeamish.

1071
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 24: No, we have no idea. We've just been told that

1072
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 24: it's offensive. We can't figure it out. First of all,

1073
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:46,959
Speaker 24: we were told, look, they're just going to be under

1074
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 24: the counter, you know, a bit like SIGI's and contraband,

1075
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 24: and people can ask over the counter for it. And

1076
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Speaker 24: we thought, okay, we can work with that. That's kind

1077
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 24: of fun. But then we found out actually, no, they've

1078
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Speaker 24: just been entirely removed and are in some backstock rooms somewhere,

1079
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 24: and it's very difficult to get hold of one.

1080
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 3: Is it possible that it's because your journal looks like

1081
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 3: quite a bit of fun and maybe kids look at it,

1082
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 3: and but it doesn't really like it actually looks quite

1083
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 3: grown up, doesn't it. It's got a very boring picture

1084
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: on the front.

1085
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 24: It's a lady holding a spade, and a ball gown. Yeah,

1086
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 24: it's a classy product.

1087
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Speaker 17: Here.

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Speaker 3: It looks like what I'm trying to say is it

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Speaker 3: does it's not appealing to kids. It's it's quite clearly

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Speaker 3: adult content.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, it's absolutely not something that's going to be given

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Speaker 24: to a child.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean it is.

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Speaker 24: It is adult content, but it's no more adult content

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Speaker 24: than any other riscuale or sexy story.

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Speaker 3: What I mean was sorry, it did sound like I

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Speaker 3: was implying it like it's sexy adult content. I just

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Speaker 3: mean it. It is not intended for kids. It's it's

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Speaker 3: intended for adults. So it's not as if it's going

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Speaker 3: to be picked up and then they're going to come

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Speaker 3: across sea bombs accidentally. Emily, is are you appealing to

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Speaker 3: Witkills to re stock you?

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Speaker 24: I would love them just to put it back out

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Speaker 24: on display because we are very The Christmas season a

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Speaker 24: big deal for our product sells really well over Christmas.

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Speaker 24: It's really popular with the men in their fifties sixty

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Speaker 24: seventies love folly. People buy it to give to their cousins,

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Speaker 24: their nieces, sisters, their dads. It's got really wide gifting appeal.

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Speaker 24: We usually sell out right over Christmas. So the fact

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Speaker 24: that the stock they've got most of our stock right now,

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Speaker 24: it's just sitting and I don't know stock rooms or

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Speaker 24: nice so people are being told they can't get it.

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Speaker 3: So it's not even a case of them sort of

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Speaker 3: not helping you. It is literally a case of them

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Speaker 3: holding your stock hostage. At the minute.

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Speaker 24: Well, we don't know where it is, but we went

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Speaker 24: into two stores in Wellington yesterday and one said it's

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Speaker 24: completely not even on their database, and the other stores

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Speaker 24: said that they've got a few copies, but they're upstairs

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Speaker 24: in the back of the stock room, and it kind

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Speaker 24: of gave us this look like and I really don't

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Speaker 24: want to go up there and get them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, dirty people. All right, listen, Emily, good luck with

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Speaker 3: this because this is actually quite a shit situation and

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Speaker 3: I feel bad for you about this. Emily Broadmore, editor

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Speaker 3: and founder of Folly Journal. On the bright side, now

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Speaker 3: you now, all of you ladies with boring lives know

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Speaker 3: what to go and read. It looks innocuous but sounds

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Speaker 3: racy on the inside. No one will suspect anything. Happy

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Speaker 3: Christmas twenty away from six the.

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Speaker 25: Sixteen APT fifteen fol time at both live part.

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Speaker 6: Stadium head Don Eden the Ald Blacks, what at by

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Speaker 6: what I've been quite a bit of time to Coast

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Speaker 6: Field Cup to really.

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Speaker 13: Reflect and yah it's You've come to a place where

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Speaker 13: I know that some time to change for me.

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Speaker 16: Conway's on strike, so he's on forty six. So they've

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Speaker 16: given him that one delivery to hike it over or

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Speaker 16: to the boundary.

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Speaker 3: Here we go, Here we go. He's coming in and.

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Speaker 16: He's attended the strength and he's heard his football. They

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Speaker 16: won't the game anyway.

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Speaker 3: And see I have a burgeoning career as a credible

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Speaker 3: commentator with me on the heart of the sports title

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Speaker 3: Jim Kay's freelance journalist and Adam Cooper, host of the

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Speaker 3: All Sport Breakfast and Wellington High Lads.

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Speaker 6: Good, good afternoon, Jim.

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Speaker 3: I need you to settle something for me. If you

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Speaker 3: are picked as an All Blacks bench player, is that

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00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 3: as prestigious as being picked as a starting player.

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00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 13: That's a tremendous question. What a way to start twenty

1154
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 13: years ago?

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Speaker 16: No?

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00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 13: Today? Probably yes? And if you look at the success

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00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 13: of the spring Box. Their bench is magnificent. Their beach

1158
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 13: comes on and has huge impact and changes games. And

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Speaker 13: I guess, let me throw this back at you, who

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00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 13: was the player of the game last week when it

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Speaker 13: was Damien McKenzie and he came off the beach. Look,

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Speaker 13: it goes against everything that I believed in when I

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Speaker 13: was coming up.

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Speaker 3: As if you said to d mac what position.

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Speaker 13: You want to start, he'd want to start one hundred percent,

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Speaker 13: he'd want to start.

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Speaker 3: Still more, isn't it.

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Speaker 13: It's still more prestigious to start, But I think there

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Speaker 13: is not more important. Great way of saying it. That's

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Speaker 13: a great you are such a bright, intelligent young woman.

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Speaker 13: That's a brilliant way of putting it. It's not as prestigious,

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Speaker 13: but it's just as important because they do have a

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Speaker 13: huge amount of influence on the game in that last

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Speaker 13: twenty to thirty minutes.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, you've listened to that, coops, do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: That's a fair call from us?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, fair? And it's interesting.

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Speaker 25: You know, you talk about all black teams and you

1179
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Speaker 25: always talk about right when when the team's coming out,

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Speaker 25: who are the people you put down first on the sheets?

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Speaker 25: Saying right, it's a non negotiable. You know, we've got

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Speaker 25: Artie at seven because you know he's vice Cats, and

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Speaker 25: you've got Scott Barrett there at four because he's the captain.

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Speaker 25: But then do you always say, now, well, is Damien

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Speaker 25: McKenzie at that level of you know, guarantee to be

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Speaker 25: in the squad when you name him in that twenty

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Speaker 25: two or twenty three Jersey? And I think absolutely he's

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Speaker 25: emerged as one of the All Blacks and World rugby's

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Speaker 25: best impact players. And over time, you know, if the

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Speaker 25: choice was for him to be an impact player on

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Speaker 25: the bench versus not being selected in the team at all,

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Speaker 25: then I think you do. You have to take that

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Speaker 25: and you have to accept that if that's your role

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Speaker 25: in the team, if that's going to help you win,

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Speaker 25: win a game in the final twenty minutes like we

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Speaker 25: saw last weekend, then absolutely have him in there.

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Speaker 6: That is his role. Twenty three Jersey, that's yours?

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Speaker 16: Why not? Yeah?

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Speaker 13: I think here the key point in all of us

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Speaker 13: is that every team needs a strong bench. So if

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Speaker 13: you stack your starting fifteen and you don't have a

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Speaker 13: strong bench, then you're in trouble. If I look at

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Speaker 13: the bench. It's going to come out against England. You

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Speaker 13: do have your Damien mckenji's and Wallace to Titis and

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Speaker 13: these sorts of people that are there, So you have

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Speaker 13: to have that impetus that impact that list in that

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Speaker 13: last twenty minutes of the game, which is so different

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Speaker 13: to what it was, you know, ten, fifteen, twenty years

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Speaker 13: ago sort of thing. It's a different game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Coops, do you think if we win the

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Speaker 3: game against England, which we will, then that's it. We've

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Speaker 3: got the we've got the Grand Slam. We don't have

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Speaker 3: to worry about whales there.

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Speaker 6: Dundale, did you just say we're going to win the game?

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Speaker 6: We will? You said it as fact? Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 6: love your confidence. Header.

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Speaker 25: This is certainly, for me, the biggest hurdle of the

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Speaker 25: Grand Slam Tour. I guess getting past Ireland in Chicago

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Speaker 25: was the first main one. But England's given the form

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Speaker 25: they've had, and you know, we talk about the bench

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Speaker 25: and look at how they've stacked there is her bench

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Speaker 25: reserves bench for this one very strong. I think they're

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Speaker 25: calling it the Pom squad rather than the bomb squad,

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Speaker 25: but it's it's stacked. This is certainly the biggest challenge

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00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 25: for the All Blacks on this tour. You know, for me,

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Speaker 25: I'd like to have finished this year of looking at

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Speaker 25: the All Blacks and looking at their selections thinking does

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Speaker 25: Scott Barrett, does Scott Robertson have an ideal fifteen in mind?

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Speaker 25: How he's going to attack twenty twenty six next year?

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Speaker 25: I don't think so. We're seeing a few other tweaks

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Speaker 25: with the likes of Simon Parker Beck and other changes.

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Speaker 25: Billy proped it back into the starting fifteen as well,

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Speaker 25: So for me, it's interesting to see that the personnel

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Speaker 25: changes are still happening leading into a big game like this.

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Speaker 25: So yeah, it's going to be fascinating watching.

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Speaker 3: Someday we'll take a break come back to you guys

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Speaker 3: in a tickets quarter.

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Speaker 3: Right You're back with the sports tittle Adam Cooper and

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Speaker 3: Jim Cayse Coops. Does it look to you? I can't

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Speaker 3: quite Have they actually made a decision or have they not?

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Speaker 3: This is the IOC on whether they're going to ban

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Speaker 3: the transgender women.

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Speaker 25: Well effectively that's the message that you know, Kirsty Coventry,

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Speaker 25: the new IOC president.

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Speaker 6: That's what she's campaigned on.

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Speaker 25: That's what I believe a lot of people have voted

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Speaker 25: on in terms of her having that role as her

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00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 25: main mantra. That's been sort of the big message of

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Speaker 25: her getting on board. So they're effectively saying that, I mean,

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Speaker 25: it's it's not going to make the issue go away.

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Speaker 25: And I think what the Olympics are trying to do

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Speaker 25: here is they're trying to be like, ru, if we

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Speaker 25: solve this, you know, a year out or just under

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Speaker 25: from the Winter Olympics, a couple of years out from

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Speaker 25: the next Summer Olympic Games, then maybe that'll stop controversy

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Speaker 25: at the time. But you know, when you're making a

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Speaker 25: blanket rule across so many different sports that you know,

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00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 25: the debate around transgender athletes is so different scientifically across

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Speaker 25: different sports.

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Speaker 6: It's a real tough one.

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Speaker 25: But the Olympics here have got to make a stand

1265
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 25: because you know, they've they've got to decide what they

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00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 25: want to do to avoid the debate when when the

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Speaker 25: Olympics are on. So I think, you know, she's promised

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Speaker 25: this and i'd be surprised if it doesn't happen from

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Speaker 25: him personally.

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Speaker 3: Jim, do you agree with coops that this is not

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Speaker 3: going to make the problem go away.

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Speaker 13: No, it's not going to make it go away. It's

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Speaker 13: the most overtalked problem when you look at the percentage

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Speaker 13: of athletes that we're talking about, isn't it. You know,

1275
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 13: talk about a tiny little piece of the tail wagging

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Speaker 13: the dog. I mean, it's important. It's very important to

1277
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Speaker 13: the people who are affected by it. So not in

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Speaker 13: any way am I trying to mitigate that or less

1279
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Speaker 13: of that. But we're talking about just a handful of

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Speaker 13: athletes when you have two three, However, many thousand people

1281
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Speaker 13: turn up at the Olympics. I'm often staggered by how

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Speaker 13: much time this topic occupies. But I agree with what

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Speaker 13: coops are saying, really, and yeah, it's the science around

1284
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Speaker 13: the different disciplines. It's so different how you have a

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01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 13: blanket ruling on such a wide variety of sports as

1286
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Speaker 13: big as belief. Really, But yeah, I think that she's

1287
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Speaker 13: going to that's what that's what they're pushing for. But

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Speaker 13: it won't go away.

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Speaker 3: No, it won't go away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 25: The worst thing is that, you know, what happens in

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Speaker 25: tenieus time when there's a new IOC president, who's who's

1293
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Speaker 25: got on has got a compete in different years? That

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Speaker 25: I mean, you know, every time there's a new president,

1295
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Speaker 25: there's a new era of Olympic you know, management that

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Speaker 25: we're going to change in the marketplace to hear what they.

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Speaker 13: Say, or when the science changes. What happens when the

1298
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 13: scientists tell us a different thing about a different sport

1299
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Speaker 13: and you've got to relitigate the whole thing again. So yeah,

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Speaker 13: it's vexed.

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Speaker 3: It is an excess fair, fair, fair way to describe it.

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Speaker 3: What is going on? By the way, coops with the

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Speaker 3: wind the last T twenty that they played, the one yesterday,

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Speaker 3: they looked like they were over it from the start.

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Speaker 25: Yeah they did, and it was it was a hiding,

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Speaker 25: wasn't it. But then you know that the Eden Park games,

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Speaker 25: the Sunny one of Nelson last Sunday, I thought, you know,

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01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 25: they turned out to be quite competitive games, and especially

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01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 25: that one of Nelson. You know it it looked as

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Speaker 25: though the black Caps are going to run away with it.

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Speaker 25: And then the Windy's in their chase right down to

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Speaker 25: the tail and they picked up up a bit of momentum,

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01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 25: So I think that they played a couple of competitive games.

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Speaker 25: I'm not saying this the series what was a complete

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Speaker 25: right off, So I'm not going to say they came

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01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 25: here without any insight to want to be.

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Speaker 3: Competitive, played two competitive games out of what four.

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Speaker 25: Well, I think they showed right up until before yesterday

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Speaker 25: that they were testing the black Caps. And yes, it

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01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 25: was disappointing yesterday, but I actually really enjoyed the cricket

1321
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 25: we saw from them personally. They got some great finishes

1322
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:49,439
Speaker 25: to games.

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Speaker 3: Any cricket is better than no cricket, you said, Jim.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's right, that's right. I looked this so much

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01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 13: cricket that it wouldn't surprise me and I certainly would

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01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 13: have blamed them if the athlete concerned is thinking, oh, really,

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01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 13: we're going around again, are we? I mean, did they

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01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 13: play four games at Mount Longing to be in a

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Speaker 13: row or something like that. It's just there's so much

1330
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 13: of the hit and giggle that how do you keep

1331
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 13: up with it? And how on earth as a cricketer

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Speaker 13: do you stay in thousda and motivated and you know,

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Speaker 13: and at the top.

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Speaker 1: Of your game.

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Speaker 3: It's November it's the start of the season and you're

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Speaker 3: you're like a Windy's player, you're over it already.

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Speaker 13: Well, it's not the start of the season. It's the

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Speaker 13: start of the season here in New Zealand. But they

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01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 13: play all year round, don't they. Did the windows come

1340
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Speaker 13: from Bangladesh or Sri Lanka or something on the way here?

1341
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 13: There's just so much cricket that if you can keep

1342
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 13: up with what cricket's going on and who's playing, what

1343
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 13: which world comforts, then let me know.

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Speaker 3: You're the guy who's supposed to let us know. Guys,

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Speaker 3: thanks very much appreciate. As Jim Kays and Adam Cooper,

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01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 3: our sports hitdled this evening eight away for I've got

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01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 3: another transgender issue for you, and we're gonna have to

1348
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Speaker 3: talk about Andrew Costa, let's do it next eight away

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Speaker 3: from six.

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 2: on my hard Radio powered by News Talk.

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Speaker 3: Oh yet getting some support on the idea that you

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01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 3: still want to be a starting player. Hither I agree

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Speaker 3: with you. Do you remember when John olom who shaved

1355
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 3: the number eleven into his eyebrow. That's how much it

1356
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 3: meant and us fun of vest Hazan's charity is called

1357
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 3: the J nine Foundation because he wore the nine. The

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01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 3: game has changed since those legends played, but those starting

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Speaker 3: position numbers are still prestigious. Paul fairpoint. Okay, So first

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Speaker 3: of all, I'm going to tell you about what's going

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Speaker 3: what's going on with Andrew Costa. So this is the

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01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 3: question I have for you on Andrew Costa. It's five

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01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 3: away from six. Question is how much would you pay

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Speaker 3: to get him out of his job?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: You've had a guts full of him, You've read what's

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Speaker 3: going on with the IPCA report. You've seen he's been

1368
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 3: protecting his matejm mc skimming, jivim X skimmings, a creep

1369
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 3: who's into Kenny paorn and dog porn and weird stuff

1370
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 3: like that. Right, So, how much would you pay to

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01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 3: get Andrew Costa out of the government department that he's leading,

1372
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 3: because it's potentially going to be expensive because this is

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01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 3: the thing. He hasn't done anything wrong in his job.

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Speaker 3: What he did wrong was in a previous job. And

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01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 3: there is no indication that he's broken since he he's

1376
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 3: taken this job. No indication he's broken any rules or

1377
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 3: failed to disclose anything during this time in this job

1378
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 3: or in the lead up to this job. He got

1379
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 3: this job in September, before all of this stuff went

1380
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 3: to the IPCA in October. So I cannot see unless

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01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 3: it is unless there's something new that we don't know.

1382
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 3: I cannot see how he has done anything wrong even

1383
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 3: in getting his job, which means that to get rid

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01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 3: of him you may have to pay him out of

1385
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 3: his contract. Now he's on a five year contract. He's

1386
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 3: one year into his almost to the day, one year

1387
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Speaker 3: into his contract, so he's got four years left in

1388
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 3: his contract. Rich, you have to pay him out every

1389
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Speaker 3: one of those four years he earns. Possibly it looks

1390
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Speaker 3: like maybe five hundred and fifty five hundred and fifty

1391
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Speaker 3: seven thousand dollars a year. So take five hundred and

1392
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Speaker 3: fifty seven thousand dollars a year and times that by

1393
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Speaker 3: four years, and what are you looking at? Two point

1394
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 3: two million? Would you pay two point two million to

1395
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 3: get rid of Andy? Cost? Because when I saw that number,

1396
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Speaker 3: I thought he's not bad At the time, you know,

1397
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 3: like that's two point two million dollars. You could do

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01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 3: a lot. That's a lot of nurses. There's a lot

1399
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Speaker 3: of teachers. That's a lot of resources you're not going

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01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 3: to be able to use on something else. That's a

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01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 3: lot of other people's jobs. So I don't know. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: we'll talk to about Hery Sober. He's going to be

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01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 3: with us shortly wrapped the political week that was. I

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01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 3: haven't got time to tell you about this transgender issue,

1405
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 3: but it is a little bit of a wrinkle on

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01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 3: how you actually enforce these laws and whatnot, so I'll

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Speaker 3: get that to you next. We're also going to talk

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01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 3: about Convetus takeover bid which failed today. Paul Robert Shaw

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01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 3: is the Octagon chief investment Officer, and he will explain

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Speaker 3: to us what's going on here. News tooks they'd be.

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Speaker 2: Fine, fine, what's up, what's down? What were the major calls,

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Speaker 2: and how will it affect the economy.

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Speaker 1: Of big business?

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Speaker 2: Questions on the Business Hour, we've had the duplicy Allen and.

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Speaker 1: Ma's motor vehicle insurance. Your futures have good hands. News

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Speaker 1: talk z be.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour, Sydney Mayor

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Speaker 3: is going to talk us through why she thinks that

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01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 3: capping rate rises is a really bad idea. Barry Soper

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Speaker 3: will wrap the political week that was for us, and

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Speaker 3: we will go to the UK with k Oliver at

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Speaker 3: seven past six, So we've got potentially more trouble for

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Speaker 3: the cash strap honey company Comvita. Convita shareholders have voted

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Speaker 3: today against the takeover offer from Florence. The deal to

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01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 3: buy Convita for eighty cents a share needed three quarters

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01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 3: support from shareholders to go through. We don't have the

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Speaker 3: official vote count yet, but we know it was short

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Speaker 3: of that margin. Paul Robertshaw is the chief investment officer

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01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 3: at Octagon Asset Management and with US.

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Speaker 1: Now, Hey, Paul, Hi, how are you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. What happens now?

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Speaker 16: Hi?

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Speaker 17: I think in the board pointed out and its presentation today,

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01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 17: and they've got to go back to the balance sheet

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01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 17: and look at the various ways that they can remedy that,

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01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 17: because just waiting for operating improvement is probably not going

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Speaker 17: to be quick enough for the bankers. I don't think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they've got a cash flow problem, right, So do

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01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 3: they have to sell some stuff?

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01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 21: Yeah?

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01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 17: I mean they've done a reasonable job liquidating inventry and

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01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 17: they've already sold some superus assts. I think they'll try

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01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 17: to do a bit more of that, but it's not

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01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 17: an easy environment. So those things so, you know, as

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01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 17: they warned everywhere and the management team, the board and

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01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 17: the independent report, the capital raises probably quite likely.

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Speaker 3: Is it possible that the company could actually fold?

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01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 17: Oh, anything's possible. I mean, if you can believe the

1449
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 17: management strategy and the future EBIT, which I think they

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01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 17: reconfirmed earlier this week thirteen and a half for the

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Speaker 17: next year of that keeps growing and returns to something

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Speaker 17: like twenty million over time. I think it's got a

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01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 17: sustainable business but you've got to get through the balance

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01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 17: sheet first.

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Speaker 3: Is it possible that Florence could come back with a

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Speaker 3: raised offer?

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Speaker 17: Again, anything's possible, But they've been pretty firm around this offer.

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Speaker 17: They are offering seerholders away not to dip into their

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01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 17: own pocket and let Florence deal with that. Yeah, so

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01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 17: they may decide there's not enough up side when what

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Speaker 17: was anything of value ninety two cents. That's only fifteen

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01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 17: twenty percent upside from here from eighty cents, So maybe

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01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 17: it's not life in it for them to raise the price.

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Speaker 3: There was some talk of one of the co founders

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Speaker 3: putting together an alternative plan. Any sign of that yet.

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Speaker 17: I would have loved to see it, Heather, because it

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Speaker 17: would have given me some reason to think that he

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01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 17: had a better strategy than the balld To one. But

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Speaker 17: I've seen nothing, so we're still waiting with bated breath

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Speaker 17: on that one.

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Speaker 3: Paul, do you think that the shareholders have made a

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Speaker 3: mistake here?

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Speaker 17: I'm not going to talk for other shareholders, but I

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01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 17: thought this was the best deal that was on the

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Speaker 17: table and likely to beyond the table if they raise money,

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Speaker 17: let's call it forty cents, when are UNI it's going

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01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 17: to see eighty cents on the shares you've already got.

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01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 17: I think a bird in the hand in this case

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Speaker 17: might well have been the right. Well, that was our

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Speaker 17: care and we were happy to support the bird.

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Speaker 3: Now, how is it even that Conveta has ended up

1482
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 3: in such a dire situation?

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Speaker 17: I yeah, I mean, I guess they had a CEO

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01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 17: and you've got it back the CEO. That's the way

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01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 17: companies work, and that strategy. But when it became clear

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01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,799
Speaker 17: that China was slowing, that the market was a massive

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01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 17: over supply of honey hives doubled nearly tripled at the peak,

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01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 17: you needed to change the strategy, and they've just been

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Speaker 17: far too slow. They tried to hold pricing, hold inventores.

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Speaker 17: They probably needed to act far more aggressively in the

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Speaker 17: marketplace and around their own honey procurement two years ago,

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01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 17: two and a half years ago. So it's it's been

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01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:25,719
Speaker 17: in the works for a while and the market hasn't

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01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 17: hasn't got better or good enough to bail them out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you sound exasperated, are you.

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Speaker 17: It hasn't been a good investment for us, Heather. We've

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01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,719
Speaker 17: been there for a while and it's a tear outed

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01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,799
Speaker 17: a lot, and we think putting more money in without

1499
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 17: some well, you know, there is a strategy there, but

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01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 17: we're short on execution. That's a brand new management team.

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01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 17: They've got to deliver things. The market still hasn't fully

1502
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 17: rebalanced in terms of inventory. You know, we're taking more

1503
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 17: risk by not accepting the offer at eighty cents.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, thank you very much. I really appreciate you

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01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 3: talking us through that, Paul. Paul roberts Or, chief investment

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01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 3: officer at Octagon Asset Management.

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Speaker 1: Heather d.

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Speaker 3: Some of these suggestions for Costa are cruel, Heather, Keep

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01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 3: cost or employed, make him turn up to work, every

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01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 3: single day. But give him a shite office and give

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01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 3: him some very boring work to do, but he must

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01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 3: turn up every single day. Andrew, you're basically driving him out,

1513
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 3: aren't you? Performance managing him out?

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01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 21: Hither?

1515
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 3: And what about this from Bob Hither, I say, make

1516
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 3: cost A workout his contract or he resigned with no payout,

1517
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 3: the absolute shame for him in every way. I bet

1518
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 3: he would resign and get head off overseas. How good

1519
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 3: would that be without having the taxpayer to do the payout?

1520
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 3: Somebody suggested making him turn up because yeah, here we

1521
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 3: go from Mossie, because basically he'll be completely ostracized in

1522
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 3: his current workplace in zero time and he'll be left

1523
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 3: with no other option but to resign. It's very practical.

1524
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,640
Speaker 3: We're very practical people, as New Zealand does, aren't. We

1525
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 3: look at a situation we go, hmm, we could pay

1526
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 3: you out two point two million dollars or we could

1527
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,719
Speaker 3: kind of just low level bully you out and it'll

1528
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 3: cost us nothing. But let's go for that. Yeah, I

1529
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 3: don't hate that idea. Now listen, what I wanted to

1530
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 3: tell you about this transgender sport thing is that there's

1531
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 3: a little bit of a bit of a test on

1532
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 3: here about what we're doing with the transgender transgender players.

1533
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:11,520
Speaker 3: Back in on the first of June, the Football Association

1534
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 3: in the UK decided that transgender players would not be

1535
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 3: able to transgender women would not be able to play

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01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 3: football against cisgender women. And so what has happened is

1537
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 3: that so you would expect, Okay, that's the rule, everybody's

1538
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 3: going to say, well, no, people have not been sticking

1539
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 3: with the rule. There's a women's football club that has

1540
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 3: deliberately flouted the rules and a number of times since

1541
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 3: the rule came in on the first of June, they've

1542
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 3: had this woman on the field. She's been in several

1543
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 3: photographs on the club Facebook page. They haven't hidden it

1544
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 3: at all. It's been right there for the Football Association

1545
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 3: to see and the Football Association's done nothing about it.

1546
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 3: Now it's only after the media and some women's sport

1547
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 3: advocates got involved that her resignation, that her registration for

1548
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 3: the club was canceled and they dealt with it then.

1549
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 3: So it raises a question right that there may well

1550
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 3: be it maybe be a little bit of this shiftiness

1551
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 3: going on. You've got organizations going all right, yep, that's

1552
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 3: the right thing to do. The public wants us to

1553
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 3: do this. We're going to ban the transgender women and

1554
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 3: then they go, yeah, but they can just carry on playing.

1555
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 3: So you know, you can see how that's going to be.

1556
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 3: As as somebody said earlier, was Adam Cooper said, it

1557
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 3: doesn't make the problem go away. Doesn't make the problem

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01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,839
Speaker 3: go away. Barry Soapers. Next thirteen past six.

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01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 2: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 2: my Heart Radio powered by News Talks EBB.

1561
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,759
Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplessy Allen on the Business Hour with MAS

1563
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 2: Motor Vehicle Insurance, Your Futures in Good Hands, News Talks.

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Speaker 3: EDB, the primary school principles of school, complaining about the

1565
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,719
Speaker 3: curriculum changes. I'm going to ruin you through that shortly.

1566
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Speaker 3: You can make your own mind up about that. Sixteen

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01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 3: past six, Wrapping the political week that was is senior

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Speaker 3: political correspondent Barry Soaper. Welcome back, Barry, Hello again. Heather

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01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 3: so I spoke about Andrew Costa's possible payout earlier in

1570
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 3: the show. He hasn't gone yet. It's not wrapping up quickly.

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01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 3: How long do you think it's going to take.

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Speaker 16: Well, that's the sixty four thousand dollars question, and in

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01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 16: fact it would be considerably more than that, I would imagine.

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01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 16: But look, Brian Roach, he's a bit of a tough

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01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 16: cookie and he'll be doing all the negotiating with Andrew Costa.

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01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 16: I think you know Andrew Costa's credibility has taken a

1577
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 16: significant knock here. And I guess what they'll do is,

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01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 16: even though the IPCA report or the investigation began after

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01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 16: he resigned the commissionership, it will be what he told

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01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 16: the interviewing panel and what he didn't tell them that'll

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01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 16: come down to. I guess how much that payout will

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01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 16: find it.

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01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 3: But if you think about it, he got this job

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01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 3: in September last year. The IPCA did not start looking

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01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 3: into the Gemmick skimming stuff until October. He hasn't done

1586
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 3: anything wrong in his job. Well, even in getting the job.

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01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 16: Well, you know, the upper echelon of the police at

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01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 16: the time, they seem to be up for MC skimming.

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01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 16: And you know, going into a new job doesn't exonerate

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01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 16: him from the stuff that he did earlier. And I

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01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 16: think that'll be a big barry.

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01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 3: Think about it. Employment law, you cannot be fired from

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01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 3: the job that you currently hold for a mistake that

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01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 3: you made in a previous job.

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01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 16: Well, it's this is a public service. So you're going

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01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 16: from one chief executive's job the commissioner, to another and

1597
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 16: another agency. And I think you'll find there's not so

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01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 16: much of a strong line between when.

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01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 3: You see you don't think he's going to get paid out.

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01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 16: Well, I think you'll probably get a payout, yeah, but

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01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,480
Speaker 16: depends on how bigness payout.

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01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 3: Will How is that going to go down?

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01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 16: Not very well, I won't go down now.

1604
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 3: The Maori MP. So it seems increasingly like what is

1605
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:45,679
Speaker 3: going on here is there is maybe that the center

1606
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 3: of gravity is shifting here, right, and that actually the

1607
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 3: real Maori Party is not the Maori Party being led

1608
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 3: by Debbie and Rawiti, but it's actually been shifted to

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01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 3: the ones who've been kicked out.

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Speaker 16: Look, it's not an attractive thing for any political party

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01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 16: to go through this, and I don't think I've seen

1612
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 16: a political party in such a bad shape other than

1613
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:09,680
Speaker 16: the crumbling Labor Party of David Long at the end

1614
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 16: of their tenure. But look, it really is very difficult

1615
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 16: to decide who is right and who is wrong in

1616
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 16: all of this, although Dame Nader Glavish I spoke to

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01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 16: her in Australia this afternoon and she clearly is of

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01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 16: the view, and certainly Takuta Ferris says that he's been

1619
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 16: told by her that John Tammerherry should be gone, and

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01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 16: if he's gone, of course his son in law Rawa

1621
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 16: Rewhite Tie and his daughter who also was on the

1622
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,879
Speaker 16: executive of the party, how they'll have to go as well.

1623
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 16: So look, it's a real mess. And whatever way you

1624
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:49,679
Speaker 16: look at it, it looks as though it's a fifty

1625
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 16: fifty split. At the moment you've got a Reny Kuiper.

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01:15:54,720 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 16: She seems to be with Takuta Ferris and Marimeno Marameno. Yes,

1627
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 16: so look, how are they going to resolve this? Who knows.

1628
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 16: I don't think it's resolvable with the current players in

1629
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 16: the plot. I think that they will have to be

1630
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 16: heads roll. Although you'd say that well, John Tammy Harry

1631
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:17,719
Speaker 16: would certainly say the heads have already rolled, and that's

1632
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 16: in the two MPs has been expelled.

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01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1634
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:21,600
Speaker 3: Can I suggest to you that if the center of

1635
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 3: gravity shifts to the two have been expelled. The Maori

1636
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 3: Party dissolves because they don't have John Tammerheady's funding, and

1637
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 3: that is significant. Oh, they will not be the force

1638
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 3: that they are.

1639
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 16: Well, what is John Tammer Harry's funding.

1640
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,560
Speaker 3: Oh, it's significant. I'll run you through it in just

1641
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 3: a minute. It is really big. Hey, what's your view

1642
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 3: on the opinion polls out this week?

1643
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 2: Oh?

1644
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 16: Well, you know, it goes to show that. You know,

1645
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:46,600
Speaker 16: there was an expression that was made, I think it

1646
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,679
Speaker 16: was by David Longie that you can't believe in pole

1647
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 16: driven fruitcakes. And you know these poles. You've got labor

1648
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 16: at thirty eight percent in one and at thirty three

1649
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 16: percent in the other. So I don't know one's a rogue,

1650
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 16: one's not. And you know, but what they do say

1651
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 16: is that labor at the moment is more popular than

1652
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 16: what national is. And for some of us who watch

1653
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 16: politics pretty closely, you would say that's not all that surprising,

1654
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 16: although there shouldn't be such a big gap that, you know,

1655
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 16: to turn this economy around has been a painful exercise,

1656
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 16: but turn it around that's exactly what they're attempting to do.

1657
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 3: Barri thanks very much. Appreciate. It's very Soper senior political correspondent. Right,

1658
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 3: I'll run you through those numbers next six to twenty one.

1659
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 2: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics. It's all

1660
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 2: on the business hours with Heather duper Cllen and Mass

1661
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 2: Motor Vehicle Insurance. Your future is in good hands.

1662
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 3: Us talks be Okay, here we go. So Bryce Edwards,

1663
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 3: I'm quoting from a piece that Bryce Edwards has done

1664
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 3: on the Maori Party for his Integrity Institute email that

1665
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:54,759
Speaker 3: he sends that was actually really good piece of unplining

1666
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff that's interesting, but especially how much

1667
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 3: money John Palmerhead has been putting in quote, the party

1668
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 3: failed to disclose three hundred and twenty thousand dollars in

1669
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,679
Speaker 3: donations on time in twenty twenty one, with one hundred

1670
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 3: and fifty eight thousand dollars of that one hundred and

1671
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 3: fifty eight thousand dollars of that coming from John Palmerhada

1672
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 3: personally and forty nine thousand of that from the Urban

1673
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 3: Maori Authority. The why Paraeta Trust was deregistered as a

1674
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 3: charity of inappropriate loans to the Maori Party. This pattern

1675
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 3: suggests a party built up through top down organizational muscle

1676
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 3: and wealthy insider connections rather than organic community support. Now

1677
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 3: that's just one year, right, that's just one year that

1678
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 3: we know of that he's put one hundred and fifty

1679
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 3: eight thousand dollars of his own money in So can

1680
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 3: you imagine what it is over a number of years.

1681
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 3: This is why they can't get rid of John palmerheada right.

1682
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 3: They can have all the fights that they want to,

1683
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 3: but they can't get rid of him because the man's

1684
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 3: got the pootia the money. Then then Bryce goes on

1685
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 3: to say, neither faction here deserves sympathy. The leadership's expulsions

1686
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 3: show all authoritarian instincts, but the opposition's coup plotting exposes

1687
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 3: personal opportunism. The real losers are Maori voters who believed

1688
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 3: in a movement for empowerment. They were handed a party,

1689
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 3: a party built on family networks and centralized control, and

1690
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 3: more concerned with who held power than how it was used.

1691
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 3: The Maori Party's rapid rise and collapse will stand as

1692
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 3: a cautionary tale performance without principle, activism without accountability. The

1693
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 3: demise isn't just likely, it's already underway, and he makes

1694
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 3: an excellent point, right, because these guys are fantastic at

1695
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 3: the performance of politics, but they actually don't know what

1696
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 3: the hell they're doing and it shows all of the time.

1697
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 3: And if you don't know what the hell you're doing,

1698
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 3: you end up like this six twenty six.

1699
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 2: There's no business like show business.

1700
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 3: And os to nominated actress is breaking Hollywood norms by

1701
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 3: coming out against intimacy coordinators. Do you know who Florence

1702
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,839
Speaker 3: pw is. Florence Pugh is. She was in twenty nineteen's

1703
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 3: Little Women, she was in Midsummer, She's the new black

1704
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 3: widow in the Marvel movies. She doesn't love the direction

1705
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 3: that she gets when it comes to filming the nudie scenes. Now,

1706
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 3: an intimacy coordinator a job that was created in the

1707
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 3: wake of the Me Too movement. It's basically a choreographer

1708
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 3: for sex scenes and they make sure that the actors

1709
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 3: are comfortable with the actions that will happen and that

1710
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 3: no boundaries across and stuff like that. But Hugh was

1711
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,679
Speaker 3: on Louis Theroux's podcast and she said it can actually

1712
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 3: get in the way of her performance.

1713
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 26: It's a job that's still figuring itself out and what's

1714
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 26: allowed on camera and what's not allowed on camera. All

1715
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 26: of that is also arranged with your lawyer, because that

1716
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 26: has to be put into the contract a nudity rider,

1717
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 26: what you are allowing and what you're not allowing.

1718
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 2: And it will be spelled out, yes to the point we'll.

1719
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 26: Say yes, what will not show will show?

1720
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 3: Hmm, sounds really sexy and sounds like because you know

1721
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of I'm not an actor, don't.

1722
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 3: I mean, I did theater class, you know, so when

1723
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 3: you've got to get in the moment and it's not

1724
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 3: really going to be in the moment when old mates

1725
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 3: going No, she said she doesn't want to show her nipples. No,

1726
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 3: she doesn't want to your tatars on camera. Stop that

1727
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 3: plays that really kill the buzz, wouldn't it. Hither are

1728
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 3: you a little dumb or just full on stupid? Lower

1729
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 3: Hut increased rates seventy per two years ago. If council

1730
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:04,639
Speaker 3: rates aren't cap at say, five to six percent, they'll

1731
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 3: keep financially shafting us every year. And we can't afford this. Jake,

1732
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 3: Let's talk next to Sue Hines of Sydney Mayor over there,

1733
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 3: and you can decide for yourself.

1734
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 23: NEWSS next, everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the

1735
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 23: business hour with head, the duper c Allen and mass.

1736
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: Motor vehicle insurance. Your futures in good hands. Used talks'd

1737
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 1: be you don't.

1738
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 3: Right, I have to tell you about the primary school principles.

1739
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 3: We're heading off to the UK in about ten minutes time.

1740
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 3: Right now it is twenty five away from seven. Now

1741
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,560
Speaker 3: will a cap on rates solve our financial problems? A

1742
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 3: New South Wales mayor whose city implemented them told a

1743
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 3: Local Government New Zealand conference today that we should be

1744
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 3: very careful what we wish for. Sue Hines is the

1745
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 3: mayor of Northern Beaches in Sydney and Australia. High suit. Hello,

1746
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 3: what's your experience of a rate cap?

1747
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 27: My experience of a rate cap. I've been in local

1748
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:12,679
Speaker 27: government now for about twelve years and this i've been

1749
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 27: through too.

1750
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 3: Well.

1751
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 27: Every year there's a rate cap in New South Wales.

1752
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,640
Speaker 27: So we have a rate capping system where an independent

1753
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 27: body decides what percentage our rates should go up to

1754
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 27: cope with all the renewal and repairs of infrastructure, and

1755
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 27: quite often that number or that percentage number that's chosen

1756
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 27: is nowhere near the reality of how much it actually

1757
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:40,759
Speaker 27: costs to repair things. So over the last ten years,

1758
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 27: many councils in New South Wales are slowly being strangled

1759
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 27: to death with their lack of funding coming in for

1760
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 27: the enormous costs of looking after a local council.

1761
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 3: So is it not even enough what you guys are

1762
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 3: bringing in, Is it not even enough to cover just

1763
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 3: basic maintenance and repairs.

1764
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 27: I would say that's probably close to the truth. For us,

1765
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 27: we have at least two major weather incidents every year

1766
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 27: that need repairs. We have a lot of flooding on

1767
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 27: in our area from Manly to Palm Beach in Sydney,

1768
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 27: a lot of coastal erosion at least, and we can

1769
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 27: have bushfires as well. So we have at least two

1770
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 27: major weather events where there is damage to infrastructure, whether

1771
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 27: it's roads, bridges, that kind of thing, and it will

1772
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 27: mean that we have to apply to the government for

1773
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:42,480
Speaker 27: some disaster fund recovery. Quite often, even if we're successful,

1774
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 27: we don't get as the amount back of what it

1775
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 27: costs us to repair it, and quite often we don't

1776
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 27: get paid it until about four to six years after

1777
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 27: the event actually happens, So you end up being a

1778
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 27: little bit of a credit card where you're handing out

1779
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 27: the money and hoping money comes in to fill that

1780
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 27: credit card payment.

1781
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 3: Does it not have the effect like having a limited

1782
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 3: pot of money which you're constrained by. Does that not

1783
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,639
Speaker 3: have the effect of forcing you to cut your cloth.

1784
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 3: So if somebody comes up with the idea of having

1785
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 3: a really nice light installation down the road, no, you

1786
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 3: can't afford it. Like anything that as a luxury just

1787
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 3: gets cut.

1788
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 27: It does make you think very carefully about what the

1789
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 27: bang is for your buck that you're going to get,

1790
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,719
Speaker 27: because you want to make sure that everything goes further

1791
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 27: and makes a difference. However, it does mean that like

1792
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 27: you're also looking at where the biggest cost savings can be.

1793
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 27: So it might be things like certain type of led lighting,

1794
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:45,640
Speaker 27: which we did and that saves us about one and

1795
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 27: a half million dollars a year. But you're also you're

1796
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 27: also getting a bit strangled by the fact that you're

1797
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 27: being really deliberate now about what you.

1798
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 3: Can and can't afford.

1799
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 27: So the nic to haves which make your commune needy

1800
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 27: a special place to be does start getting a bit strangled,

1801
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 27: and we do love. We know that for people's own

1802
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 27: social and mental well being, creative, being immersed in the arts,

1803
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 27: having things like libraries.

1804
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 3: Are really important.

1805
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 27: And these are things that we don't really want to

1806
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 27: pull back on because we know that those things are

1807
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 27: important for social cohesion.

1808
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 3: Okay, so it seems like we are sitting at opposite

1809
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 3: ends of a spectrum here. You guys are incredibly constrained

1810
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 3: with what you are able to spend. Our councils in

1811
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 3: New Zealand, on the other hand, are profligate, right. They

1812
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 3: just spend like it's unbelievable the crap that they spend

1813
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:41,560
Speaker 3: money on. So maybe your examples not not where we

1814
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 3: want to be, but where we are is also not

1815
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 3: where we want to be. So what's the solution in

1816
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 3: the middle?

1817
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 27: I think, And I could hear from the leaders that

1818
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 27: I was listening to this morning, they're obviously trying to

1819
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 27: find a model that works. And I would say, don't

1820
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 27: look at New SOUTHWAYI because I can tell you where.

1821
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 27: Like I said, we're being strangled to death here with

1822
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 27: the tap being tightened and tightened and tightened on us.

1823
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 27: But the reality of it is, I think, I think

1824
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 27: there really has to be a very open and strong

1825
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 27: discussion about what is it that the community actually want,

1826
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 27: because it's very easy to turn this into a political

1827
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 27: argument and where it'll be very easy for one side

1828
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 27: to go we don't want to rate rise because we

1829
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 27: care about our community, and of course everyone goes yay,

1830
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 27: that's how I feel too. But the reality of it

1831
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 27: is you need to have funding in there. Most people

1832
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 27: don't understand how complicated a council is. You need to

1833
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 27: have funding up your sleeve for things like unexpected weather events,

1834
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 27: the assets, the bridges, everything else that needs to be

1835
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:53,759
Speaker 27: maintained to just keep it at a satisfactory level. Doesn't

1836
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 27: even have to be at a great level, but you

1837
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,759
Speaker 27: need to have it at a satisfactory level that people

1838
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:02,759
Speaker 27: kind of can use things that council provide safely.

1839
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, fairpoints, Sue, thank you very much for your time.

1840
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:07,719
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Sue Heinz, miror of Northern Beaches in Sydney,

1841
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 3: New South Wales, nineteen away from seven.

1842
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:11,679
Speaker 1: Either dup c Ellen.

1843
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 3: This is a genuine question do we still have taxi stands?

1844
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:18,719
Speaker 3: Because I was asked about I was I met somebody

1845
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 3: for coffee this morning and it was it was on

1846
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:23,879
Speaker 3: Ponsonby Road and the person's from Wellington and so they obviously,

1847
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 3: you know, maybe don't spend that much time on Potsterby Road.

1848
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:27,719
Speaker 3: And they were like, right, where's the nearest taxi stand?

1849
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 3: And I looked at them like what the.

1850
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 6: Well, they're time traveler.

1851
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, would you what about a telegraph?

1852
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 3: Would you like that as well?

1853
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,640
Speaker 6: It was so like I was like, Wow, where's the

1854
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 6: nearest phone booth?

1855
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1856
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 3: No, I kind of like I don't think we And

1857
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 3: then I thought about it and I was like, no,

1858
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 3: we do have taxi stands at the airport. And then

1859
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 3: I asked the guys that worked and they were like, yeah,

1860
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,799
Speaker 3: sky City, But does sky City still have taxi stands?

1861
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 18: Like?

1862
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 3: Do you go to sky City and you still see

1863
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 3: taxis waiting there to pick you up? Do you how

1864
01:27:58,320 --> 01:27:59,639
Speaker 3: much time are you spend in gambling?

1865
01:27:59,680 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 13: German?

1866
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 17: Oh?

1867
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 3: But how often do you? Like, I think, are just

1868
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:03,839
Speaker 3: a line of taxis?

1869
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 16: Yeah?

1870
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 2: I know.

1871
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 3: She says that that they're on the regular, So I

1872
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 3: know that they're at sky City and they're at the airport,

1873
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:13,760
Speaker 3: but we don't have taxi stands anymore. A oh, and

1874
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 3: the beehive, the bee hive. The Parliament has still taxi stands,

1875
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 3: but there's not real like nobody does taxi stands anymore,

1876
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 3: do we? We don't. Anyway, I did say look that,

1877
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 3: I said to them there's this thing that you like,

1878
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 3: everybody's using at the moment. It's called Uber and I

1879
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:30,799
Speaker 3: was like, just you're welcome, good luck with that. So anyway,

1880
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 3: the primary school principles, so they can't because of course

1881
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 3: they're not going to let up on this business with

1882
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 3: the curriculum stuff and what Eric is doing, because Eric

1883
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 3: is making far too much progress for their liking with

1884
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 3: children and children's learning. So they can't possibly bring in

1885
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 3: the curriculum changes. It's just so stressful they may have

1886
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:51,639
Speaker 3: to quit. I know the NZDI, which is the primary

1887
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:55,839
Speaker 3: school union, so yeah already, yeah, I know it's biased,

1888
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 3: but the union has done a pole and it's found

1889
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 3: that ninety seven percent of primary principles feel the timeline

1890
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 3: for the new curriculum changes is unrealistic. Ninety nine percent

1891
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 3: of them report that the pace of curriculum change has

1892
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 3: placed significant additional pressure pressure on Timuwaki and principles, and

1893
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 3: then seventy three percent of them three quarters of primary

1894
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 3: school principles. Three quarters of primary school principles are likely

1895
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 3: to leave the job within the next five years because

1896
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 3: of quote, the workload and the well being impacts of

1897
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 3: the curriculum changes being rail roaded by this current government.

1898
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 3: I mean I noticed the language there is not unbiased

1899
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 3: being rail roaded by this current government. Look, I mean

1900
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 3: this kind of nonsense from unions. I'm sorry, this is

1901
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 3: not you're not getting You know who everybody knows who

1902
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 3: you need to win over in any situation is the

1903
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 3: lady in the family. Okay, this is what the market,

1904
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 3: This is what they realized in the advertising agencies in

1905
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 3: the nineteen sixties. If you want the family to buy something,

1906
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 3: you've got to say sell it to the woman and

1907
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 3: the agent. The political parties have also realized the same thing.

1908
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 3: It's the woman voter you want to win. So let

1909
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 3: me tell you what a woman's perspective.

1910
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:08,640
Speaker 6: On this is.

1911
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 3: Oh, you can't do your job. Why don't you come

1912
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 3: and talk to me about how I'm doing my full

1913
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 3: time job while I've got two children under the age

1914
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 3: of four. I've got one who's not even one year old.

1915
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 3: And I came back after three months maternity leave. You

1916
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 3: don't hear me complaining about changes when news talk said

1917
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 3: B says, hey, we're going to do some changes. I

1918
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 3: don't go, wah, can't do that. I've got two children. No,

1919
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 3: I don't know. I've got too tot. No, I don't

1920
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 3: say that. I go, okay, let's do my job. So

1921
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 3: unless all seventy five percent of them have toddlers and preschoolers, shush,

1922
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 3: I don't want to hear it. Do your job. Sixteen

1923
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:42,679
Speaker 3: away from seven.

1924
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 1: Ever, it's to do with money. It matters to you.

1925
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Heather Duper c Allen and Ma's

1926
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 2: Motor Vehicle Insurance, Your futures, give good hands, used talks

1927
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 2: that'd be here.

1928
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 3: That there are still taxi stands in lower Hut Hither

1929
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:04,719
Speaker 3: Talkadora has a taxis from Big Jay the trucker. Hither

1930
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 3: this still taxi stands and livin. I think this's a

1931
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,040
Speaker 3: small town thing. But have you guys not have you?

1932
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 3: Here's the question, do you have the Uber or has

1933
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 3: the Uber not come to your town yet? Thirteen away

1934
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 3: from seven? K Oliver UK correspondent with us al okay, hello, Heather,

1935
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 3: how are you? I'm very well? Thank you now I

1936
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:23,760
Speaker 3: take this as a signal. The fact that BBC has

1937
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 3: apologized to Donald Trump, I take as a signal of

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Speaker 3: quite how serious this is.

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Speaker 18: Well absolutely, I mean this is screaming through the headlines.

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Speaker 18: They have basically had the sort of dumbacles hanging over

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Speaker 18: their heads one billion pounds threat from Donald Trump apologize

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Speaker 18: or face the consequences. So they have now apologized for

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Speaker 18: the editing of his speech on Januy the sixth, twenty

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Speaker 18: twenty one. They've called it basically an error of judgment

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Speaker 18: and they've also said it will not be broadcast again

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Speaker 18: on any of the BBC platforms. However, they say there

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Speaker 18: is absolutely no basis for defamation and therefore the public

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Speaker 18: broadcaster hopes to swerve this massive lawsuit. Waiting for the

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Speaker 18: response from Donald Trump. They've also sent a personal letter

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Speaker 18: the BBC chairman Sam Chah has personally apologized. But this

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Speaker 18: whole thing comes as it's also been revealed that two

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Speaker 18: years earlier, obviously this is the whole thing has been

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Speaker 18: around this Panorama report. Two years earlier, on another flagship program, Newsnight,

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Speaker 18: there had also been what appeared to be a splicing

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Speaker 18: together of this Capitol Hill speech that Trump made fifty

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Speaker 18: four minute gap where these two sound bites were put together,

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Speaker 18: and on this newsnight program there was a former chief

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Speaker 18: of staff of Donald Trump who actually pointed out live

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Speaker 18: on air that that wasn't how it happened, and that

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Speaker 18: one got buried away as well. So let's see what

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Speaker 18: happens now with mister Trump and and the one billion lawsuit,

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Speaker 18: because the BBC must have their fingers cross that this

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Speaker 18: is not going to happen. We've already had the resignation

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Speaker 18: of the Director General and the BBC head of News.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty serious, Okay, our regel reefs. So is she

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Speaker 3: not going to put up the income tax on the budget?

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Speaker 13: Now?

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Speaker 18: Well, this was seen as a massive u turn. It

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Speaker 18: seems that the manifesto pledge of not putting up in

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Speaker 18: income tax, they're going to adhere to it, because I

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Speaker 18: think they could see that without it, they were really

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Speaker 18: looking at shaking everybody up in this country. It would

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Speaker 18: appear that what they're going to do is have a

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Speaker 18: look at freezing tax existing tax thresholds. So in other words,

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Speaker 18: I think the basic rate of pay is you don't

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Speaker 18: pay twelve and a half. Maybe they're going to freeze

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Speaker 18: that for another couple of years, so that basically people

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Speaker 18: move into these tax thresholds. Another one they were looking

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Speaker 18: at was inheritance tax. Pensioners were panicking. It's still quite

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Speaker 18: not clear how she's going to fill this massive black hole.

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Speaker 18: I think they came in with a twenty two billion

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Speaker 18: black hole and now it's even larger. But they are

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Speaker 18: certainly thinking that they can't break a manifesto pledge and

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Speaker 18: perhaps inevitably face a call for a general election.

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Speaker 3: Hey now I saw that Fergie's planning to flee to Portugal.

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Speaker 3: Who's in Portugal? Where's she going to live in Portugal?

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Speaker 3: Why Portugal?

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Speaker 18: Well, her daughter, Princess Eugenie and her husband Jack brooks

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Speaker 18: Bank have actually got a three and a half million

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Speaker 18: pound luxury seafront home south of Lisbon, and it will

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Speaker 18: be there that the guest suite is being prepared. She

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Speaker 18: has to get there in January when both of her

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Speaker 18: and Andrew mount Batten Windsor will be leaving Royal Lodge.

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Speaker 18: I think he's going off after Sandringham. But it was

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Speaker 18: always Fergie that was the one who was kind of

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Speaker 18: which coast would she go to where she can sit

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Speaker 18: in some bathe all day? So it looks like she's

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Speaker 18: off to Portugal.

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Speaker 3: Not bad, not bad at all, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Look after yourself, Kay Oliver, UK correspondent Heather. We went

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Speaker 3: to the theater at the Civic and then we had

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Speaker 3: to walk all the way down to Brito Mart before

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Speaker 3: we saw a taxi stand that by the way. That's

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Speaker 3: quite the hike, Like, I reckon, that would be it'll

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Speaker 3: be a k k and a half k and a half,

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Speaker 3: wouldn't it? Would that be a k and a half?

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Speaker 3: Hats I feel like that's a that's a little hecre

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Speaker 3: you do on the regular from what were sorry, Civic

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Speaker 3: theater down to Brito Mart.

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Speaker 6: Oh, that's not a k and a half?

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Speaker 15: Surely, Oh that's that's like that's ten minutes, isn't It's

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Speaker 15: ten to fifteen minutes?

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Speaker 6: How long is that?

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Speaker 1: In my wall?

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Speaker 3: That's two k's, isn't it?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Okay, No, hold on, that's okay, that's okay. We sound

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Speaker 3: we sound like we're sound afore. I just feel like

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Speaker 3: we're losing a lot of credibility. So you weren't even

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Speaker 3: listening to your own show just before you had to

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Speaker 3: repeat myself hither my counsel in farga day takes rates

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Speaker 3: and spends it on a heap of bike racks for

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01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 3: electric bike charging that beverage what that, and then hit

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Speaker 3: us with a seventeen percent rate rise. Stick to the

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Speaker 3: nice to have and stick them up your bump and

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Speaker 3: I thank you.

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Speaker 16: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Look, I don't know. I'm not convinced by the rate rises,

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Speaker 3: by the cap on it. I just am not at all.

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Speaker 3: But I want to see some way of making counsels

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Speaker 3: spend their money more wisely. And I think it comes

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Speaker 3: down to ultimately who you elect. And I think that's

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Speaker 3: the only solution. Eight away from seven.

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather too per see Allan Drive Full Show

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Speaker 2: podcast on.

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by newstalg Zebbi.

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Speaker 3: Heather. Is it possible actually? This is from Dylan Heather.

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Speaker 3: Is it possible actually that Andrew Costa has brought his

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Speaker 3: employer into disrepute just because what happened was in a

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Speaker 3: past job. I don't think matters.

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Speaker 10: That is.

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Speaker 3: Actually that's a fair point. I tell you what, when

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Speaker 3: I said it was talking about it earlier and how

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Speaker 3: much it was going to cost me, A cost ask

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Speaker 3: costs all of us. Even my boss was so infuriated

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Speaker 3: by what I said that He called me in the

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Speaker 3: news break and he was like, yep, you are just

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Speaker 3: winding me up. And I was like, no, I'm not

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Speaker 3: winding you up. And then we had a chat about it,

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Speaker 3: and then I think in the end he might have

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Speaker 3: agreed with me. But actually, had he heard Dylan's argument,

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Speaker 3: it might have it might implicated him. Hither. I'm the

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Speaker 3: primary the chairman of a primary school board.

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Speaker 21: Here.

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Speaker 3: We've got a two hundred and twenty kid roll. We

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Speaker 3: employed a principal last year. Her rate is one hundred

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Speaker 3: and eighty five thousand dollars. It's not bad, is it.

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Speaker 3: I'll do that?

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Speaker 27: Should we do that?

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Speaker 1: Actually?

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Speaker 3: Beat because the German and I are very efficient, because

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Speaker 3: you'll find this about mothers, especially mothers of very small children,

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Speaker 3: very efficient. So what about that we split that income?

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Speaker 3: Like if the principals don't want to do their jobs,

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Speaker 3: we'll do our jobs and run the children. And then

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Speaker 3: I'll go half of one eighty five, You go half

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Speaker 3: of one eighty five, will split their job. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: only four hours a day each year. You're right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we can do that hard out yea watch out. Principles

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Speaker 3: will come for your job at.

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Speaker 15: Coo far By Dilgit Dosange to play us out to

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Speaker 15: night and I'm so sorry that any Punjabi listeners for

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Speaker 15: that pronunciation.

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Speaker 3: I really die.

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Speaker 15: Yeah yeah, So he played at Spark Arena in Auckland

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Speaker 15: last night, getting rave reviews both by the New Zealand

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Speaker 15: Herald and another outlets as well. Absolutely huge. I had

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Speaker 15: never heard of him until today, but apparently in terms

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Speaker 15: of the Punjabi in the Bollywood world, this is a

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Speaker 15: really big name and just packed out Spark Arena.

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Speaker 6: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: Gonya did not even come up on the concert clubs like.

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Speaker 15: Listen, I'll tell you what, Yes, stick and a stick

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Speaker 15: on there because he's been here before. He's been here

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Speaker 15: in twenty twenty three as well, so might be back.

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Speaker 15: So then you guys can get on that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, we're going to Lenny Kravitz tomorrow night, and

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. We are all praying for a

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Speaker 3: split in the pants, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 20: Not?

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Speaker 3: Don't look at it at work? And how how long

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Speaker 3: is the difference from how long from Civicta Britain.

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Speaker 15: Mark nine hundred minutes?

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Speaker 3: You get that's not a bad day. See you on Monday.

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Speaker 28: Alma Busy.

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