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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spens to find the real story story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Dupersy on drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news dogs.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today.

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Speaker 3: Ozzie has just announced it will recognize a Palestinian state

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Speaker 3: next month. So what are we gonna do? Will christ

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Speaker 3: Church's News Stadium actually be ready in time for the

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Speaker 3: Super Rugby Super Round which happens next April. We've got

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Speaker 3: Chris Hopkins on the poll out this morning and Nikola willis,

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Speaker 3: as always on a Monday.

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Speaker 4: After six, Heather Duperyl.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so let's talk about this political poll. National as

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Speaker 3: behind Labor. Nationals on thirty two, Labours on thirty four. Now,

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Speaker 3: this is not the first time that National has fallen

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Speaker 3: behind Labor since the last since the last election. The

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Speaker 3: first time it happened was November last year. Then it

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Speaker 3: happened again in January twice. Then it happened again in

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Speaker 3: March twice. Then it happened in May, then it happened

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Speaker 3: twice in June, and then it happened twice just in

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Speaker 3: the last month. Now it is becoming more and more

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Speaker 3: frequent that this is happening, and if you see it

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Speaker 3: in its graph form, it's actually quite arresting what's going

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Speaker 3: on here. This is not an aberration. This is a

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Speaker 3: trend of National consistently losing ground and Labor consistently making

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Speaker 3: up ground. And this has been happening since the election,

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Speaker 3: but it really started to gather steam at the start

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Speaker 3: of this year. Now I do not think that Labor

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Speaker 3: will win the next election because I think their bedfellows

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Speaker 3: and the Greens and the Mary Party are just way

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Speaker 3: too nutty. I don't think enough people will want to

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Speaker 3: vote for Labor. But National should be worried because these

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Speaker 3: polls show that enough voters don't want to vote for

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Speaker 3: National either, because right now they are profoundly disappointing, aren't they.

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Speaker 3: I mean, answer me this question. What has this government

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Speaker 3: done to help the economy? Apart from the investment tax

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Speaker 3: boost incentive in the budget? In mate, what have they

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Speaker 3: actually done? I feel like the answer is nothing. Yes,

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Speaker 3: this economy was shot when they took it over. It's

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Speaker 3: not their fault. But their election promise was to get

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Speaker 3: it back on track. But in order to get it

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Speaker 3: back on track, you actually have to do something and

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Speaker 3: they've done nothing, thus spending more than grant, are running

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Speaker 3: deficits from here until basically the end of their possible term,

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Speaker 3: and they're making announcements of things that they might want

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Speaker 3: it just yet. If there is a vibe in this

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Speaker 3: it's a vibe that I reckon kicked in about five

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Speaker 3: or six weeks ago, properly, just after the halfway mark

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Speaker 3: of this government's electoral term, when people realized, you know what,

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Speaker 3: we're halfway through and they've done nothing, and this economy

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Speaker 3: still sucks, and that I think is what you're seeing

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Speaker 3: in this poll, just a lot of disappointment.

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Speaker 4: Heather duplasy Ellen, I'm nice t night.

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Speaker 3: Here is the text. Understand it. Text fees apply hitnear

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Speaker 3: with what you think. Obviously very sober on that. Shortly now,

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Speaker 3: a new report has found that our heart health system

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Speaker 3: is on the verge of collapse. According to the Ministry

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Speaker 3: of Health Data, there are fewer than one hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty cardiologists and cardiac stuff in the whole country, and

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Speaker 3: none at all in places like tide Arfty Lakes or Funganui.

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Speaker 3: Heart disease is responsible for twenty cent of all deaths

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Speaker 3: in this country costs US more than thirteen billion dollars

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Speaker 3: a year. Doctor Richard Sullivan is Health New Zealand's chief

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Speaker 3: Clinical officer and with us, Hey, Richard good head, do

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Speaker 3: you think we have enough staff dealing with hearts in

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Speaker 5: I'll look first at to point out report. I think

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Speaker 5: some great news in there that what we've seen over

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Speaker 5: from heart disease and the significant production in our hospitalizations.

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Speaker 5: But you know, we see a lot of work to do,

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Speaker 5: we call into cardiograms, and so that is a key

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Speaker 5: challenge for us. We've got some of our regions that

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Speaker 5: are well staffed in become a heart cardioc space, the

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you think the lack of cardiac staff in

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Speaker 5: Well, look, it's more complicated than that. When you think

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Speaker 5: about heart disease, it's really the risk factors that I'm just.

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Speaker 3: Point something out to you. The areas with the highest

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Speaker 3: heart disease death rates tier Arfterity Lakes, fung Luis and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not sure I quite draw that bow. There's

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Speaker 5: no doubt that. I mean, in those populations you have

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Speaker 5: higher rates of other I guess those respectives that lead

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Speaker 5: about that primary care access first, you know, so people

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Speaker 5: problem is as once you've got heart disease then absolutely

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Speaker 5: once you've got establish heart disease. So there's a trying

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Speaker 5: I've got it, and I I've got the right services

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Speaker 3: Do we have enough full time cardiologists or any type

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Speaker 5: Look, as I mentioned, in some spaces we do and

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Speaker 3: Country, Richard, do we have enough in the country because

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Speaker 3: the answers don't make all I'm worried about.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 5: I'm not being weird. I'm not sure it is because

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Speaker 5: it's not about just that cardiologists. So we have lots

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Speaker 5: of people deliver heart health care. So in an area

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Speaker 5: it's like one going we don't have any cardiologists, may.

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Speaker 3: Just treat people with respect, right, rather than spinning us.

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Speaker 3: We have got thirty two point eight full time equivalent

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Speaker 3: of the average in European countries. That's not enough.

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Speaker 5: I'm not suggesting that, you know, we always need more

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Speaker 3: To say that Why don't you say, no, we don't

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Speaker 3: have enough. Actually, what we need is some more and

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Speaker 3: we need some more cash to be able to do that,

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Speaker 3: because that's the actual answer, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Just so I know, I don't agree with you. I

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Speaker 5: think now it's far more complicated network. You know, we

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Speaker 5: we also need to reduce the risk of heart health.

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Speaker 5: And you know that's all this report shows. It shows

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Speaker 5: we're making roads, but we've got significant variations you will

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Speaker 5: You know, we still see a Maoripacific having Tuton's greater

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Speaker 5: risk of harm from heart disease. We see these regions,

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Speaker 5: these rural spaces you've described, So it's really that focus

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Speaker 5: depointment between White Cato and Tiapity, Well, no, it's not

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Speaker 5: no one's to live here. It's about it's about that

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Speaker 5: we've established national guidelines around ECHO. We've set up this

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Speaker 5: your original question, we need more people, but we need

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Speaker 3: Yes we do. Now very quickly, what's going on with

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Speaker 5: So look, we're we're about the national parking policy and

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Speaker 5: I think I can say is that that the issue

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Speaker 5: is the right model.

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Speaker 5: I can't answer that either. I'll say soon, but I

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Speaker 3: Thanks, Richard, I appreciate your time. Thanks so much for

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Speaker 3: Hither, I totally agree with you. I can't vote national

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Speaker 3: what a load of crap you're talking. I've lost count

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Speaker 3: of the number of initiatives this government has introduced, send

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Speaker 3: me that list that you've lost count of. Please and

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Speaker 3: brackets just on the economy, because that's what we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Jason Pines, sports talkhosters at Mad Piney Heather how good Grace.

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Speaker 3: Minutes later, Grace is included in the squad.

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Speaker 8: It's it must have been the quickest ever approval of

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Speaker 8: an eligibility exemption in the history of sport. You know,

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Speaker 8: as soon as the rules changed, Grace Wiki got her

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Speaker 8: very surprised. Rubber stamp that get her in the team.

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Speaker 8: And look, I am very very pleased that this has

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Speaker 8: and play in Australia because I want to improve myself

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Speaker 8: as a player, there was no guarantee that you'd be

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Speaker 8: rules were examined and changed. They have been the Grace

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Speaker 8: Wiki rule, we'll call it from now on, and good

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Speaker 8: to see that sanity has prevailed.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 3: There are rumors right that the likes of Karen Berger

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Speaker 3: Australia and still be selected of the silver ferns. Are

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Speaker 8: I am yep, and I think it will happen. I

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Speaker 8: think this opens up the not the floodgates, that's the

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Speaker 8: wrong word, but it certainly opens the door for others

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Speaker 4: Moving the big stories of the day forward.

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Speaker 4: That'd be Oh dear lord.

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Speaker 3: It looks like JD. Vance's latest efforts to shut down

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Speaker 3: Four twenty six, Heather Do for CLA Australia one and

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Speaker 11: It's a very complex issue because it's all very well

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Speaker 12: I promise.

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Speaker 3: we'll recognize a Palestinian state can't be run by hamas

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Speaker 1: Recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's

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Speaker 1: hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get

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Speaker 3: I didn't know this? Did you know that you can

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Speaker 3: Is this not the best thing that you have heard

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Speaker 3: Reach for the stars, girl, reach for why not? You

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Speaker 3: Centered on Chloe, centered on twenty three away from five, it's.

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Speaker 9: And the specifically our Gaza City team, the Aldersur Gaza

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Speaker 3: Right as we've discussed, the Aussie government has announced that

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Speaker 14: They there have frequently been countries where part of that

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Speaker 3: And finally, a man in Austria has been arrested after

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 3: Oliver Peterson, six PR Perth Life Presenters with us Ali

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Speaker 3: Hey Heather. I can not at all a surprise that

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Speaker 3: Albanizi has taken this position, right.

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Speaker 15: It's not a surprise, and he said he had a

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Speaker 15: I think Australians are on the fence with this at

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Speaker 15: the moment. I do believe that a lot of Australians

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Speaker 15: are very concerned about what he's continuing to go on

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Speaker 15: in Gaza at the moment. But I think it's a

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Speaker 15: little bit I hate to say this out of side,

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Speaker 15: out of mind for a lot of Australians at the moment.

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Speaker 15: It's been going on for so long that it just

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Speaker 15: it almost unfortunately gets swept under the carpet, which it

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Speaker 15: shouldn't be done. But this is a bold statement obviously

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Speaker 15: the Prime Minister, and as I said, he's been under

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Speaker 15: an internal pressure even going back to the days of

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Speaker 15: the former Foreign Minister Bob Carr. He put this forward

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Speaker 15: back in twenty fourteen at the Labor National Conference and

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Speaker 15: he's been advocating at every opportunity that this would happen.

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Speaker 15: So I think it'll be very interesting and you know

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Speaker 15: when I jump on with my show a little later

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Speaker 15: today here on six pou be very interesting to hear

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Speaker 15: what the talk back in the feedback's like.

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Speaker 3: Did we get much detail on what that phone call

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Speaker 3: with BB was like.

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Speaker 15: No, he wouldn't go into much detail at all, other

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Speaker 15: than he's had the call. He's let him know what

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Speaker 15: he thinks and why this is going to happen. He

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Speaker 15: said that countries like Australia that as you've heard now

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Speaker 15: Benjamin Etna, who's come out and criticized that in Albanese

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Speaker 15: for that, saying to have European countries and Australia march

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Speaker 15: into that rabbit hole just like that. He's disappointing and

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Speaker 15: it's actually shameful. So Penny Wog our Foreign Minister, she's

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Speaker 15: also been on the phone to Marco Rubio of the

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Speaker 15: Trump administration to let him know. And obviously, as we know,

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Speaker 15: we are in a very interesting situation politically with the

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Speaker 15: Trump administration over the Orchest Deal. Whether this declaration by

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Speaker 15: the Australian governments in any way jeopardizes any of that,

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Speaker 15: or did it have any conversations with the Trump administr

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Speaker 15: before at the Albanize he made that call this morning.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I am shocked that your evs don't pay road

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Speaker 3: user charges.

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Speaker 4: Well, see, we're copying you.

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Speaker 3: We're copying what you're doing in u Z.

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Speaker 4: So we're going to look at that.

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Speaker 15: We've got that big round table, this whole Productivity Commission

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Speaker 15: roundtable thing that a Jim Chalmers is trying to get

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Speaker 15: everybody talking about what we can do to make the

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Speaker 15: country more productive.

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Speaker 4: He wants to scrap.

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Speaker 15: The fuel excise and put on that road user charge,

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Speaker 15: which I know you announced in New Zealand just last week.

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Speaker 15: I assume we're probably going to be basically copying what

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Speaker 15: you are doing, because that's what we do. New Zealand

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Speaker 15: does something good, we take it, we do it, we

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Speaker 15: claim it as our own. So the idea is that

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Speaker 15: we'll get rid of the fifty one point six cents

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Speaker 15: I lead a fuel excise. And yeah, the EV's obviously,

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Speaker 15: I mean everyone's buying evs at hybrids at the moment,

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Speaker 15: so you have to pay a bit more. But you

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Speaker 15: know what, I think it's fair. You use the roads,

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Speaker 15: you pay for it.

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Speaker 3: Mate, It's beyond fair. Those things are pothole makers. I

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Speaker 3: totally think so holy heavy, yees, so heavy mate. Thank

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Speaker 3: you so much. It's lovely to talk to you as always.

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Speaker 3: Oliver Peterson, six PR Perth Live. This is what Bob

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Speaker 3: had to say about Australia.

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Speaker 16: They know that what they would do if right next

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Speaker 16: to Melbourne or right next to Sydney you had this

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Speaker 16: horrific attacks. I think you would do it at least

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Speaker 16: what we're doing. Probably maybe not as efficiently and as

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Speaker 16: a precision as precisely as we're doing it.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, that's a thing, isn't it. We'll talk about that

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Speaker 3: after five o'clock. Brilliant Listen, I've got to bring you

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Speaker 3: some good news. I want to talk to you about

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Speaker 3: this new It feels it's hard to talk about Garza

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Speaker 3: and then talk about anything else. I'm going to take

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Speaker 3: a break, but we're going to come back and talk

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Speaker 3: about this luxury hotel they're building in Queenstown, seventeen away

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Speaker 3: from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centrics Credit check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: For senior political correspondence with us how Barry, Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: What do you make that opinion poll?

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Speaker 2: Well, what I've made of all the opinion polls of

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Speaker 2: late Actually they're not that dissimilar. That yeah, not looking

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Speaker 2: too good for National this one. They won't be very

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Speaker 2: happy with it. But you know, the Prime minister's been

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Speaker 2: criticized for not commenting on opinion polls. I think he's

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Speaker 2: wise not to. I mean, he says, why should he

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Speaker 2: be talking about himself? He should be talking about things

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Speaker 2: that are a bit more important, and that's the economy.

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Speaker 2: And I think he's quite right.

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Speaker 3: There no point talking about the economy. Need to do something.

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Speaker 2: Well, you could say that, Heather, I'm sure you will

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Speaker 2: be saying that as well. But this Caurier pole is interesting.

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Speaker 2: It sees are hung parliament, sixty one seats for each block.

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Speaker 2: But there's a TV and Zed pole coming out at

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Speaker 2: six o'clock as well. And my bet is, and I'll

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Speaker 2: bet you a good bottle of wine that the Tvan

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Speaker 2: Zed pole will be more sympathetic to the National Party

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Speaker 2: and we'll see a cent to write government.

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Speaker 3: Quite compatible, still quite tight.

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Speaker 2: It'll be tight. But you know, if you want Chloe

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Speaker 2: Swarbrick as the Finance minister in the next government, I

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Speaker 2: think the public should reflect on that, because she says

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Speaker 2: it won't be a labor leed government anyway, it'll be

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Speaker 2: a Greens lead government. And that's from their conference of

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Speaker 2: the weekend. Yeah, so you know, if you want a

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Speaker 2: benefit for life, then vote to.

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Speaker 3: The Labo block. I take your point right. It's not

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Speaker 3: as if the other side are shining lights, right. They're

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Speaker 3: still the same crew who put us in the show

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Speaker 3: with the economy. But do you not think that national

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Speaker 3: and the reputations attached to what's going on here lux

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Speaker 3: and Willis at ol shouldn't Do you not think that

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Speaker 3: they should be worried about what's going on in the

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Speaker 3: polling because people clearly aren't very stoked with what they're doing. A.

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Speaker 2: No, of course people aren't that stoked because when you've

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Speaker 2: got an economy like we had in two thousand at

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Speaker 2: the end of two thousand and three, it takes more

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Speaker 2: than ten minutes to turn that economy around.

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Speaker 3: What have they done?

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Speaker 2: I've had eighteen months? Well, you know there's a number

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Speaker 2: of things such as well, oh, for goodness sake, you know,

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Speaker 2: we've got more to talk about.

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Speaker 3: Them challenging because I'm challenging everybody who's fanboys to tell

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Speaker 3: me what they've.

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Speaker 2: Done I'm not a fanboy of anybody. What I'm just

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Speaker 2: saying is if you look at opinion polls through the ages,

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Speaker 2: and if you look nineteen eighty seven, for example, the

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Speaker 2: opinion polls have got to say then though, were much

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Speaker 2: better for the long e lead labor government, even though

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Speaker 2: the public suffered greatly during the eighty four to eighty

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Speaker 2: seven period. But and they simply went to the eighty

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Speaker 2: seven election after the snap election in nineteen eighty four

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Speaker 2: saying let us finish the business now. The public then

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Speaker 2: were of a mind, even though they were hurting greatly

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Speaker 2: as much as they are now at the moment, they

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Speaker 2: voted Labor back in. And I'm sure that you will

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Speaker 2: see next year this government will be voted back because

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Speaker 2: things will be looking better.

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Speaker 3: She just start cutting it last year. They're cutting it fine.

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Speaker 3: But can I just to your comparison there, So what

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Speaker 3: you're saying is nineteen eighty four to eighty seven, like now,

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Speaker 3: very hard time economically, that government doing a lot, getting

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Speaker 3: rewarded in the polls. This government not getting rewarded in

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Speaker 3: the polls maybe for not doing a lot. So is

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Speaker 3: it possible actually that even if voters are hurting, they

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Speaker 3: will still support you if they can see you doing something.

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Speaker 3: That's well true that and I think that's the problem.

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Speaker 2: The difficult Yes, no, that is true. But the difficulty

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Speaker 2: here is they haven't got a lot to play with

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Speaker 2: in terms of money. Even though they are borrowing quite heavily.

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Speaker 2: They can't you know, they can't willy nilly borrow like.

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Speaker 4: Three years before that.

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Speaker 3: They shouldn't be spending. That's the problem. They should be

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Speaker 3: cutting anyway, Listen, we need to move on. What do

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Speaker 3: you think of this business with the state of Palestine.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, we're not having a barb each way

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Speaker 2: where if you listen to Winston Peter's we're considering it

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Speaker 2: very carefully. But he's always said that the final recognition

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Speaker 2: will come. It's only a matter of if not when

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Speaker 2: or when not if that it will come. But there

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Speaker 2: are a few preconditions on that and that's what the

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Speaker 2: Cabinet will be considering before Winston Peters, interestingly is going

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Speaker 2: to deliver the Leader's Address at the UN General Assembly

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Speaker 2: in September and we'll outline our position in detail then.

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Speaker 2: At his post cabinet news conference today, Chris Luckson said

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Speaker 2: there are conditions on the recognition of Palestine as a

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Speaker 2: state though.

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Speaker 11: We're not going to recognize the state that has hum

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Speaker 11: us and that there is no role for Harmas and

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Speaker 11: any future Palestinian state. And you know, I think you've

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Speaker 11: seen that from a number of the leaders that have

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Speaker 11: changed changed their positions on recognition or accelerated their positions

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Speaker 11: on recognition. So for us, you know, that's an absolute nonstarter.

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Speaker 11: Our view very clearly is Hamas started this, you know,

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Speaker 11: October seventh with twelve hundred Jewish folk. Are innocent civilians killed,

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Speaker 11: hostages that have been held over a long period of time.

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Speaker 11: They need to release the hostages.

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Speaker 4: Is as simple as that.

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Speaker 2: And we're not alone in that. Of course, a number

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Speaker 2: of countries that will say will have said they're going

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Speaker 2: to recognize Palestine, but that'll be one of the preconditions,

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Speaker 2: no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: Just really quickly, do you reckon the Greens that are

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Speaker 3: in trouble in Wellington with this redefinition of the boundaries here?

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Speaker 2: Well, absolutely. If you look at Wellington Central, which is

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Speaker 2: tim of the pool's electorate, that's really it's going to

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Speaker 2: be called Wellington North. So Central is going to go

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Speaker 2: and they are going to Wellington North is going to

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Speaker 2: take in areas where she would have a big difficulty

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Speaker 2: in winning the electorate. Kendala wades down and Nao the

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Speaker 2: more wealthy areas. Wrong Atie also extends to Brooklyn and

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Speaker 2: Mount Cook, which is interesting. And that's don't forget Julia

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Speaker 2: and genter both these women, tim of the Paul and

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Speaker 2: Julia and gender. They're more upset though that about the

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Speaker 2: name of the wrong Atta is going to go and

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Speaker 2: Julian says, no, we weren't like wrong attire. It means

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Speaker 2: the sound of the sea. Well, it might be the

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Speaker 2: sounds of the Greens heading out the.

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Speaker 3: Door at Parliament Tamoth Paul's launched a petition.

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Speaker 2: I had to change the names.

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Speaker 3: Keep the names, but only the Marty names. Doesn't care

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Speaker 3: about anything else. Thank you very much, Barry, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Barry so for seeing your political correspondent eight away from.

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Speaker 1: Five putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic

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Speaker 1: asking breakfast, the prime.

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Speaker 3: Ministers in the studio like I've just come from TV

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Speaker 3: in sead.

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Speaker 11: They said they'll take you for celebrity treasure roll all

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Speaker 11: they did. I said, I don't think you'll survive if

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Speaker 11: I enter I win I've got you'd be hopeless.

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Speaker 4: At at you come in here. Well, no, no, you're

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Speaker 4: going to help me up all your questions.

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Speaker 11: It's nice you're going to give it a go, but

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Speaker 11: I can't see you surviving without your pig screen TV.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably true.

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Speaker 16: Okay.

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Speaker 17: Hipkins was alluding to the fact he may well run

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Speaker 17: on capital gains tax.

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Speaker 16: Would you be happy to run a campaign off.

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Speaker 4: On the thing that I was quite alarmed about.

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Speaker 11: You had Chloe Swarbrooks saying she wants to be Finance Minister,

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Speaker 11: and you didn't have Chris Sippins roll it out. She

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Speaker 11: wants to have forty four billion dollars worth of the

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Speaker 11: eighty eight billion dollars worth of taxes.

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Speaker 2: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 2: a Vida News Talk zb.

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Speaker 3: To be fair to the Greens, I know it's hard

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Speaker 3: to be fair to the Greens, but to be fair

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Speaker 3: to the Greens, I do sort of agree with them

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Speaker 3: that I am going to miss the name of Wellington

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Speaker 3: Central because if you've looked at it go if you're

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Speaker 3: vaguely interested in politics, it's kind of interesting what they've

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Speaker 3: done with the electorates down in Wellington, but wrong A

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Speaker 3: Tires become Wellington Bays, Wellington Central's become Wellington North, or

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Speaker 3: Hardie or Tucky and Manna have turned into Cupitty and Kennipudu.

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Speaker 3: So it's a complete redesigners all these names we don't

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Speaker 3: recognize and stuff. And of all of them, the one

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Speaker 3: I'm going to miss the most and I do think

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Speaker 3: they should bring back is Wellington Central because I don't

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Speaker 3: know if you know this, but we've had Wellington Sen therefore,

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Speaker 3: I think since one hundred it's one hundred and twenty years,

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Speaker 3: since nineteen oh five, with a brief moment moment for

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Speaker 3: a few years where we didn't have and then it

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Speaker 3: came back. So anyway, that's the one I think we

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Speaker 3: should bring back, just for old times sake. Why not

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Speaker 3: four away from five? Now, you want to see this

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Speaker 3: luxury hotel that they're building in Queenstown. It's called the

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Speaker 3: Noctus and they're gonna put it in putting it in

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Speaker 3: front of the award winning Carmena Lake House Hotel which

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Speaker 3: is in Fernhill. It's gonna have uninterrupted lake views and

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Speaker 3: mountain views and stuff. What it is is thirty seven

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Speaker 3: ultra high end residences across ten architecturally designed villas. So

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Speaker 3: you're gonna have your junior suite, which is like two

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Speaker 3: hundred and ninety square meters. That's enormous. That's bigger than

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Speaker 3: a normal house. A junior suite, three bedrooms. Each of

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Speaker 3: them will have their own bathrooms, two terraces, two sparpools,

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Speaker 3: two sparpools, because sometimes you don't want to spar with

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Speaker 3: the other person that you're there with, you know, or

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Speaker 3: you might want to. Maybe you've got like teenage children

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Speaker 3: and they suck, so you don't want to sit with them,

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Speaker 3: so you put them in that spar pool and you

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Speaker 3: sit in the other spar pool. Dual living areas as well,

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Speaker 3: for the same reason. Then you have the executive residences

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Speaker 3: that have four bedrooms and four on suites and that's

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Speaker 3: six hundred and seventy square meters. Holy Hannah, this is massive.

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Speaker 3: Own private wine tasting, sellar, plunge pool, jim sauna, massage,

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Speaker 3: therapy room, home theater. And then there is the presidential penthouse,

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Speaker 3: which has got ten bedrooms and it is twelve hundred

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Speaker 3: square meters and it's got everything. It's got the two

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Speaker 3: spar pools, and the dual living areas and the private

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Speaker 3: wine cellar and the plunge pool and and then another

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Speaker 3: pool and then a pool deck and then a reflective

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Speaker 3: pond so you can sit there and think about how

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Speaker 3: loaded you are and a three car garage. How good

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Speaker 3: is all of this? This is listen, this is fantastic

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Speaker 3: for Queenstown, right because this means now we're going to

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Speaker 3: get baller money into the country. This is when you've

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Speaker 3: got gangs, the levels of money you come and stay

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Speaker 3: at this place. So we have a chat to them

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Speaker 3: down increase in Queenstown about that shortly. Also Robert Patman

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Speaker 3: on exactly what we can do. Do we recognize the

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Speaker 3: state of Palestine and if so, what are the contingencies

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Speaker 3: that we've bacon Sohamas doesn't start running the joint news is.

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Speaker 4: Next, sans.

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Speaker 1: Question, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture, Heather Dupas and drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 18: There'd be good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Australia has announced it will recognize the state of Palestine

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Speaker 3: next month at the UN. In response, Winston Peters has

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Speaker 3: said that our government will be spending the next few

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Speaker 3: weeks also considering whether to do the same. Robert Patman

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Speaker 3: is a professor of international relations at Otaga University.

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Speaker 17: Hi, Robert, I'll get afternoon.

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Speaker 3: He should we also do this?

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Speaker 17: I think, well, it's at the moment my understanding in

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Speaker 17: the New Zealand position. If we're weighing up what to

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Speaker 17: do and it's not you know, and this has been

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Speaker 17: the position of the New Zealand governments for some time.

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Speaker 17: I think there's a danger of mismatch between the gravity

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Speaker 17: of the situation in Gaza and the West Bank and

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Speaker 17: New Zealand's government's wait and see response. And you know,

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Speaker 17: a number of our allies are committed to recognizing the

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Speaker 17: Palestinian state. More than one hundred and fifty countries have

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Speaker 17: already recognized the principle of Palestinian statehood. And the situation

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Speaker 17: is extremely grave at the moment, and it's quite clear

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Speaker 17: that the Netnahu government does not want a Palestinian state.

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Speaker 17: Mister net for the last twenty five years has opposed

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Speaker 17: the idea of political self determination for the Palestinians. It's

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Speaker 17: also a strategic issue. Do you does it weaken Hamas

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Speaker 17: by continuing this military conflict, this military onslaught against them,

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Speaker 17: or do you weaken their position by giving the majority

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Speaker 17: of the palace the Sinians who do not like Hamas

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Speaker 17: a peaceful pathway to achieving their national aspirations of a state.

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Speaker 17: So it is a strategic issue as well. It's not

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Speaker 17: just a question of political judgment. My fear is that

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Speaker 17: we're missing in the moment.

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Speaker 3: Does recognizing a state make this war stop? Does it

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Speaker 3: make the aid delivery happen?

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Speaker 17: It doesn't, but it does send a message to Israel's

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Speaker 17: public that what's being done in its name is being

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Speaker 17: widely opposed by the rest of the world. Misternette and

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Speaker 17: Yahoo at the moment has never said since the appalling

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Speaker 17: terrorist attack of the seventh October, he was very reluctant

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Speaker 17: to say what the day after looks like? What we

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Speaker 17: now know what the day after looks like. It looks

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Speaker 17: like making gals are inhabitable and then near publican population

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Speaker 17: being expelled. He hasn't been. The Israeli leader has recently

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Speaker 17: announced that military a military offensive resume in Galza City,

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Speaker 17: which is currently inhabited by close to a million Palestinians,

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Speaker 17: many of whom have already been relocated ten times. Yeah,

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Speaker 17: and that's going to have such a military campaign in

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Speaker 17: such a densely populated era is going to kill many

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Speaker 17: thousands of people.

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Speaker 3: Listen. Robert does, though, recognizing a Palestinian state not actually

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Speaker 3: strengthen Hamas's hand and make it least likely to stop

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Speaker 3: this war.

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Speaker 17: I don't think so, because the fact of the matter

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Speaker 17: is that trying to obliterate Hamas is purplicitly bolstering them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: I mean, in a sense, Israel is not more secure

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Speaker 17: after twenty two months of targeting Hamas. And the problem

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Speaker 17: is it hasn't targeted Hamas very well. It's killed a

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Speaker 17: lot of Palestinians who detest Hamas, and more than sixty

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Speaker 17: one thousand have been killed. This can't go on that.

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Speaker 17: The thing that really worries me, Heather, is that New

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Speaker 17: Zealand has always believed in the rule of law internationally

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Speaker 17: and the institution which has formal responsibility for stopping a

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Speaker 17: situation like this. The UN Security Council is impotent, Yeah,

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Speaker 17: and marginalize. And I do think that New Zealand should

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Speaker 17: be leading the charge along with Australia and in countries

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Speaker 17: like Canada and other small and Middle powers to say,

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Speaker 17: we can't have an impotent U N Security Council. We

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Speaker 17: have to restrict THEE.

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Speaker 3: We'll have you to leave it there, Robert, I really

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Speaker 3: appreciate you, expecting as always Robert Patman, international relations professor

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Speaker 3: at Otaga University.

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Speaker 4: Ever do for THEE.

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Speaker 3: Ellen yet another Pole has national behind Labor the Taxpayers Union.

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Speaker 3: Curier Pole has National sitting on thirty two, Labour on

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Speaker 3: thirty four. Chris Hepkins is the leader of the Labour Party. Hey,

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Speaker 3: Chris good a Heather looks good, but you know you're

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Speaker 3: not going to win a Oh look.

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Speaker 7: There's a lot of water to flow under the bridge.

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Speaker 7: Yet I said at the beginning of the year that

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Speaker 7: we need to focus on the issues that New Zealand

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Speaker 7: does want us focused on, jobs, health, homes, cost of living. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: that's what we've been focused on. And I think they

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Speaker 7: can see the current government of making.

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Speaker 3: We've still got Chloe saying she wants to be fine Sminister.

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Speaker 3: As long as you've got loopy people next door that

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Speaker 3: you have to get into bed with, it's not going

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Speaker 3: to happen.

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Speaker 7: Well, Christopher Luxan surrounded by loopy people, and you know,

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Speaker 7: I think New Zealanders want a government of stability, and

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Speaker 7: I think labor can deliver a government of stability.

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Speaker 3: You've also got the problem, Chippy, that you were part

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Speaker 3: of the last lot that ran us into this economic

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Speaker 3: funk that we're an aide. Have you read that Treasury

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Speaker 3: report yet.

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Speaker 7: I've seen parts of the Treasury report. I do notice

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Speaker 7: that the fact that the Treasury found that this government

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Speaker 7: have no credible.

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Speaker 3: Wining No, never mind, never mind, I'm dealing with this government.

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Speaker 3: Let's deal with you. You guys were warned multiple times

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Speaker 3: by Treasury to stop the spending, So why didn't you?

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Speaker 7: We chose to focus on saving people's lives. Very much

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Speaker 7: of that you.

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Speaker 3: Went way by, and they point out that about half

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Speaker 3: of the spending has got nothing to do with COVID.

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Speaker 3: It's just random stuff you liked.

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Speaker 7: The first announcement Kristofluxen made when he became leader of

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Speaker 7: the National Party was that he wanted the government to

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Speaker 7: spend more money on the COVID O.

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Speaker 3: Look, don't you worry. I'm pretty upset with him about that.

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Speaker 3: But what about you guys? You have got no economic

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Speaker 3: credibility now, have you.

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Speaker 7: Well, the current government are spending more money and borrowing

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Speaker 7: more money than we ever did.

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Speaker 3: Are you going to demote Willow Jean at the next reshuffle?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 7: I think Willow Jean should have replied to Erica Stanford

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Speaker 7: to tell her that, you know, she was going out

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Speaker 7: to consult with the sector before she wanted to meet

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Speaker 7: with her. I think Willow has absolutely admitted herself that

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Speaker 7: she could have handled that situation better.

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Speaker 3: Ok, you've got to explain something yet, Chippy. Either Willow

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Speaker 3: Jane is just iq impaired and couldn't see that this

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Speaker 3: might be a good idea to take this meeting, or

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Speaker 3: she just couldn't be bothered because she's lazy. So which

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Speaker 3: of the two is it?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 7: I totally reject that. When I tried to meet with

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Speaker 7: Nikki Kay when she was the national Predient was the

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Speaker 7: Ministry of Education, it took several months for us to

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Speaker 7: organize that meeting as well. We got there in the end,

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Speaker 7: and that was a good thing.

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Speaker 3: So why didn't Willow Jane take up the opportunity? What

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Speaker 3: was it?

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Speaker 7: Ohish she should have and I think she she has

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Speaker 7: admitted that she should have. It wasn't that she wasn't

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Speaker 7: intending to. I just think she didn't communicate whether at

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Speaker 7: the Stanford what she was doing.

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Speaker 3: Now, where are you on the matter of a Palestinian state?

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Speaker 3: Do we recognize it or not?

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Speaker 7: It's well in trudy time for New Zealand to recognize

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Speaker 7: a Palestinian state.

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Speaker 3: It's the right thing to do, and do we do

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Speaker 3: it in September.

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Speaker 7: I think we do it as soon as we can.

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Speaker 7: Other countries are doing it. New Zealand has always been

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Speaker 7: independent in these things. We shouldn't wait for the rest

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Speaker 7: of the world to do it so that we can

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Speaker 7: follow along behind. We should show some leadership and do

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Speaker 7: it now.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thanks very much, ship, We appreciated. Chris Hopkins, leader

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Speaker 3: of the Labour Party. Let's go to christ Church next

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Speaker 3: fourteen past five. Wow, guys, you got to hear this

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Speaker 3: BYD These guys are absolutely crushing it. They launched in

875
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: New Zealand just in twenty twenty two with the Yatto three,

876
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 3: and already there are over nine thousand byds on Kiwi roads.

877
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: And get this, every single model that they sell here

878
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 3: is award winning. Now that is not hype. That is

879
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 3: just a fact. You buy one of their cars, it's

880
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 3: award winning. Consumer magazine even surveyed car owners and BYD

881
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 3: owners are the most satisfied. They are loving their vehicles

882
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: right now. They've got six killer models for the Dolphin,

883
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: the Seal, the Sea Line sixty, Sea Line seven, the

884
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: Atto three and then of course for Sharks six UT.

885
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 3: But they are not slowing down. They've got four more

886
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: coming by the end of the year. Two small cars,

887
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 3: a medium suv and a mass of seven seed a suv.

888
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 3: And here's where it gets insane. Globally, BYD is growing

889
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: at a scale that we have never seen before. They

890
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 3: have got over one hundred and twenty thousand full time

891
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: R and D engineers. That's twice as many as Toyota,

892
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: and they are filing forty five plus new tech patents

893
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 3: every single day. And their new mega factory by the

894
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: way where they build the Shark six thirty two thousand

895
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: acres that's half the size of the able Tasman National

896
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 3: Park and one hundred and sixty thousand people work there.

897
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: It's nats. They went from dirt to full production there

898
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: in just nine months. These guys are on another level,

899
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 3: So check them out at BYD Auto, dot Co, dot MZ.

900
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 3: But seriously, do not sleep on this. The future is here.

901
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 3: And it's electric.

902
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 4: Ever duper clo eighteen past five.

903
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 3: Here that I was listening to Hipkins and it just

904
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 3: made me think perhaps we should give Chloe a chance

905
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 3: because it can't be any worse. Why not we're at

906
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: that level eighteen past five. Now, this hugest new stadium

907
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 3: is going to host a whole weekend of Super Rugby

908
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 3: games shortly after it opens next year. Super Rugby Pacific

909
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 3: has just announced that Takaha the Stadium is going to

910
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: host next years Super Round, where all the matches are

911
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 3: played at one venue, and this is going to happen

912
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 3: in late April. Venues Autotahi is in charge of running

913
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: the stadium and the CEO, Caroline Harvey Tear joins us. Now, Hey,

914
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 3: Caroline Evening Henther, how are you? I'm well, thank you,

915
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 3: but I'm stressed out for you guys. Are you cutting

916
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 3: it a bit fine between getting the keys to the

917
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: stadium and then hosting the big event.

918
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 19: It's ambitious, that's for sure, but no, we're confident we're

919
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 19: going to have plenty of time to give a really

920
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 19: good handover test the venue. And why not. We've been

921
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 19: waiting fifteen years for this stadium, so let's crack on.

922
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: When are they giving you the keys?

923
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 19: Practical completion is the twentieth of April, so five days

924
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 19: before the.

925
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Speaker 3: Five days Caroline, are you sure about this? Nobody in

926
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 3: no builder ever has finished something on time with five

927
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 3: days to spare, so you can have a house warming.

928
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 19: Oh, wreaking beautifully. We're not worried about that in twentieth

929
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 19: of April. They've been amazing. Look and for us and

930
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 19: our team, we're running five wicked busy venues now, so

931
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 19: we're ready to go.

932
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,479
Speaker 3: Okay, how much are you paying to get the super

933
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 3: round there?

934
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 19: Or that's not a question for me, that's a question

935
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 19: for the city. So no, I'm not able to.

936
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 20: Talk about that.

937
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 3: So all right, where are you planting the grass and

938
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: growing it? Because we've been obsessed with it on the

939
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 3: show because it's a secret. Can you tell us?

940
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 19: No, it's top secret. I've not been there either. I've

941
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 19: seen it. It's growing beautifully.

942
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: I've not photos.

943
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 19: I've seen photos, yeap, and it's looking glorious.

944
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 3: Okay, all right? Does there need to be a permanent

945
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: train station on the corner of Moorhouse in Colombo?

946
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 7: Oh?

947
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 19: Look, I really like the idea, you know, making it

948
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 19: easy and safe for people to get into the city.

949
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 19: It's a central city. Venue like parking is pretty limited,

950
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 19: so changing the way that we get to venue is

951
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 19: going to be, you know, a bit of a challenge.

952
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: Don't you think that it's absolute must have? You've got

953
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 3: to have the public transport right there?

954
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 19: Yeah, I think it's a belting idea, absolutely brilliant.

955
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 3: Hey, Caroline, best of luck with it. It sounds stoked. You

956
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 3: guys are going to have a great, great week in

957
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: a rugger there. There's Caroline Harvey Tear whose venues Autotahi

958
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 3: chief executive. Hither I cannot believe that the majority of

959
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: people want Chippy as our prime minister. Do they take

960
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 3: the polls in gang premises and wins offices. Look, I

961
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 3: don't think they're not gonna It's not gonna happen. Labour's

962
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: not going to win the next election, right because actually people,

963
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: but what this is, this is protest. It's not that

964
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 3: they actually want Labor and the Greens and the Maori

965
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 3: Party and government. They're just protesting the fact that the

966
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: lot that are in at the moment are so profoundly

967
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 3: disappointing on the economy. Right now, five to twenty.

968
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Speaker 1: One Informed Inside into today's issues. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen

969
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: Drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

970
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 4: They'd be.

971
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: Coming up five to twenty four.

972
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 20: Listen.

973
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: Here's a question for you. Does it sound nutty to

974
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 3: you that Shane Jones said in a speech yesterday that

975
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: New Zealand First is going to campaign at the next

976
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: selection to remove New Zealand from the Paris Climate Change Agreement.

977
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: Does that sound nutty to you? Because I reckon quite

978
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 3: a few people will hear that that he'll want to

979
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 3: pull us out of the Paris Agreement and think, oh,

980
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: that's a controversial thing to do. Actually, it isn't controversial

981
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 3: at all, because we are not going to meet our

982
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 3: target anyway. We're not going to be able to cut

983
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 3: our emissions enough by twenty fifty to be able to

984
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 3: do what we promised in that agreement. We know we're

985
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 3: not going to be able to because we're not even

986
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 3: going to be able to cut our emissions enough to

987
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: meet our first set of targets, which happen in five

988
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 3: years time. In twenty thirty, we will be so far

989
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 3: off our targets in five years time that we're going

990
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 3: to have to pay other countries about twenty four billion

991
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: dollars in order that they plant trees for us. That's

992
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 3: the deal. Basically, if you don't meet your target, you

993
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 3: pay for trees. By the way, we're also not going

994
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: to pay for the trees. We're simply going to ignore it.

995
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 3: If you listen to government ministers, we're just going to

996
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: ignore it and keep the money and go, oh, well,

997
00:45:54,360 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 3: that's what happens. Australia, the EU, India, Turkey, Russia, China, Brazil,

998
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: Saudi arabiaist goes on. None of them are going to

999
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: meet their targets. That's just a short list of countless

1000
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 3: countries that will not meet their targets. The US has

1001
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 3: completely pulled out of the Paris Agreement. In New Zealand

1002
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: has dropped its twenty thirty targets, UBS Bank has pulled

1003
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 3: out of the Climate Banking Alliance, Sweden has dropped its

1004
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 3: climate change air travel tags, and just look around the world.

1005
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 3: Everybody is starting to pull away from these targets because

1006
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 3: they simply cannot meet them. So we can stay. I mean,

1007
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 3: we've got two options, right we can we can either

1008
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 3: pull out or we can stay in the Paris Agreement

1009
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 3: to make people feel better, just stay signed up, but

1010
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: ignore the goal. That happens in politics quite a lot.

1011
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 3: That's not that unusual. It's like when Jasin Dardoun set

1012
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 3: a goal of zero suicides in New Zealand, never gonna happen,

1013
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 3: but just makes people feel nice when you say stuff

1014
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 3: like that, Or when we said we were going to

1015
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 3: be smoke free by twenty twenty five. We're never really

1016
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 3: going to be smoke free by twenty twenty five. But

1017
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 3: you just you say you're going to do things and

1018
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 3: it makes people feel nice, or we can just be

1019
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 3: honest about it and pull out. Either way, when we

1020
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 3: take the fields out of climate change, like you feel

1021
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: you've got to do something when you take the feels

1022
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: out and you actually just think about the reality of

1023
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 3: what's going on here, Shane Jones doesn't seem so nutty anymore,

1024
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 3: does he.

1025
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 4: Heather Duplessy Ellen so Ans came.

1026
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 3: Into the office today and he had a little sticker

1027
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 3: on his arm, you know, in the crook of the elbow,

1028
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 3: one of those round stickers, and he'd been giving blood again,

1029
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 3: and I said to him again, what are you doing

1030
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 3: giving blood again? And try to spin me the story

1031
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: about sort of having like a kind heart and having

1032
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 3: some opozzle or something like that and wanting to save

1033
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 3: the babies. The truth is, with a little bit of digging,

1034
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 3: we got to the bottom of what's going on here.

1035
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 3: Did you know that if you give blood you get

1036
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 3: little treats for giving blood? So if you do like

1037
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 3: your first donation as this doesn't happen to everybody in

1038
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: their first donation, does it it does? Seriously? Yeah, okay,

1039
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 3: you go give your first donation of blood. Oh, this

1040
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 3: is me helping the country out. You need to go

1041
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 3: and give your first donation of blood and you get

1042
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: yourself a pair of socks. That's your reward. When you

1043
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: do your second donation, you get a key ring. Your

1044
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: third donation, they'll give you a little pop socket to

1045
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: stick on the back of your phone so you can

1046
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 3: prop your phone up for watching movie. With your fourth donation,

1047
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: you get a pair of white socks, which is better

1048
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 3: than just the standard pair of socks, because white socks

1049
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 3: are the business. Fifth one, you get a travel mug.

1050
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 3: This is where it starts getting really good. Tenth donation

1051
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 3: of blood you get a nice metal drink bottle. The

1052
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 3: twenty fifth donation you get an umbrella. Fiftieth donation you

1053
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: get a backpack, and one hundredth donation you get what ants.

1054
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 10: An art print. Now I called New Zealand Blood Service

1055
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 10: to verify this and they won't confirm or deny any

1056
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 10: of it. But I asked whether any of them weren't correct,

1057
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 10: and they wouldn't say no, they're their own correct. Where

1058
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 10: are you up to twenty eight seven?

1059
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 3: I think see that there's treats, go do it. News

1060
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 3: is next.

1061
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

1062
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: drive home it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New

1063
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news dogs.

1064
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 4: They'd be sorry that you are.

1065
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 3: With us after six Now, I do think as I said,

1066
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 3: I think she's overseas. I think she might be in London,

1067
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 3: but she's still calling awesome of her to do that.

1068
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 3: We'll have a chat to her after six. The Huddles

1069
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 3: standing by Heather, I can confirm that you do get

1070
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 3: a bag after your fiftieth donation, and apparently apparently the

1071
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 3: bags are awesome like they are, they are really good

1072
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: quality bags. So if you don't want if you're thinking

1073
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 3: right now, geez, I really need a new bag, but

1074
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 3: you can't be bothered paying for it. Do you know

1075
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 3: what you need to do? Just give blood fifty times?

1076
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 3: How is that for helping you through the cost of

1077
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 3: living crisis? Apparently, in the old days, according to John,

1078
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 3: they used to give this is thirty seven years ago.

1079
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 3: They used to give you a stubby of beer. Not anymore.

1080
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 10: I will definitely be asking about that at my next

1081
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 10: How times have changed?

1082
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 3: And what do you do an? Do you have the

1083
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 3: beer before or after giving blood? Or while you're giving blood?

1084
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 3: Does it work like breastfeeding? Able to do it?

1085
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 10: Maybe they can do like an ivy drip of the

1086
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 10: beer going in and the blood going out of the other.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic idea. Love it twenty four away from.

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Speaker 4: Six Together to see Allen.

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Speaker 3: It looks like Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown's got himself into

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Speaker 3: a spot of bother. He's accused two South Auckland counselors

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Speaker 3: of not turning up to counsel enough, but then they've

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Speaker 3: hit back with stats that show they actually turn up

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Speaker 3: more than he he does. And then he's accused them

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Speaker 3: of quotes doing what they always do, being pacific victims.

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Speaker 3: Monaco Ward counselor Philippina is with us right now?

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Speaker 6: Hey elf hid their congratulations to by the way, Yeah

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Speaker 6: thanks mate, that's all right.

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Speaker 3: It was seven months ago, but I'm going to take

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Speaker 3: I know, thanks.

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Speaker 6: That was the first time first time we've spoken then. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: interesting how he's hitting out at PACIFICA. I wonder what

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Speaker 6: happens if because of my MOLDI blood. I wonder if

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Speaker 6: that's next.

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Speaker 3: Well jeez, now, how did it get into the race thing?

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Speaker 3: This seems bizarre to me that it suddenly went from

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Speaker 3: attendance to this.

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Speaker 6: I don't know. And and but this is what happens

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Speaker 6: when you have somebody that wants to get yes people

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Speaker 6: around that table. This is what happens. I mean the

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Speaker 6: port we stopped that from going overseas, the operations, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I think he just wants people to bow down to him.

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Speaker 6: And I'm not that person.

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Speaker 3: Definitely not else you are, I mean, according to the sets,

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Speaker 3: you are, definitely you and lots who are definitely turning

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Speaker 3: up to council more than he does, which is a laugh.

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Speaker 3: But what about the workshops? He says, the workshops is

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Speaker 3: a different matter. Are you turning up to the workshops

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Speaker 3: as well?

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Speaker 6: So we go online for the workshops. We may turn

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Speaker 6: up for the workshops, but I know from my perspective,

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Speaker 6: if I don't end up going to the workshops, if

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Speaker 6: I'm doing other council business, I take the time to

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Speaker 6: talk to the staff or get people to bring me

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Speaker 6: back the information. Now, when he said in the starter

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Speaker 6: call that that's where all the work's done, all the

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00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 6: work gets done at those committee meetings, the Committee of

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Speaker 6: the Whole and the governing body meetings, that's where the

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Speaker 6: decision is made. So I don't know which tangent he's

1129
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Speaker 6: trying to get on, but you know, playing the racist

1130
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Speaker 6: card that that is not the card that he should

1131
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 6: be playing now, So you know that's But even the workshops,

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Speaker 6: what happens is that there are discussions. I go to

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Speaker 6: those workshops, whether they be in person or online by

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Speaker 6: tend and if I don't, I end up going back

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Speaker 6: to the staff or getting information off Nexus, which is

1136
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Speaker 6: the app that council uses to have all the information.

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Speaker 6: So I don't know where he's going.

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Speaker 3: You guy's going to be able to sort this out.

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Speaker 6: Oh not with Wayne, because Wayne is the type of

1140
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 6: person that wants his way in no way. That's it's

1141
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,479
Speaker 6: it's either his way or the highway. So we won't

1142
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 6: sort it up this way because he'll he'll just keep

1143
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 6: on using it because it's election and he wants his

1144
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 6: yes people to be around that table, and he convinced,

1145
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 6: obviously some people to run under his ticket. I'll be

1146
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 6: watching to see how much he puts into their campaign

1147
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 6: when the financial and the expenses come out. That's what

1148
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Speaker 6: I'll be doing.

1149
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Speaker 3: Well, Thanks very much for your time. Beast of luck

1150
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 3: with everything. El Philipina South Aakland councilor attacked by waynebro

1151
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 3: We asked Wayne to come on show, but Wayne didn't

1152
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 3: want to come on the show. Hither the cost of

1153
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 3: the Paris Agreement is going to be overtaken by reality

1154
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 3: and will collapse internationally. I agree with you, Dennis. It's

1155
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Speaker 3: coming up twenty away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes

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Speaker 1: Uniquely for you.

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Speaker 3: I'm the huddle with us this evening. We have Joseph

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Speaker 3: Bcganney CEO at Child Fund, and Trisherson at Sheerson Willis

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Speaker 3: PR Hello.

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Speaker 18: You too, Hello, Hello, Hello Josie.

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Speaker 3: Do we need to recognize the state of Palestine?

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Speaker 18: Well, we're on the ground there with child from We've

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Speaker 18: got you know, local people on the ground, people of

1165
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 18: staff have been killed. It's awful, Heather, and I think

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Speaker 18: the only way that we're going to get any movement

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Speaker 18: forward on this is to recognize two state solutions. Now,

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Speaker 18: I mean the problem with that, Yes, two thirds of

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Speaker 18: the UN countries now recognize Palestine as a state. The

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Speaker 18: definition of a state is that you have to have

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Speaker 18: a stable population and you have to have a government

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Speaker 18: that's able to govern well. It doesn't have that. And

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Speaker 18: of course now France and Britain Australia have recognized Palestine.

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Speaker 18: The problem though, is that neither Benjamin ett Yahu or

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00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 18: the leaders of Hermas want to recognize a two state solutions.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know that.

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Speaker 18: I think symbolically it's going to be really important, and yes,

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Speaker 18: I think we should and if it helps to put

1179
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 18: pressure on Israel that ultimately it's only going to be

1180
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Speaker 18: solved with having some kind of peacekeeping force in there

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Speaker 18: that's led by Arab states, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan. You know,

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Speaker 18: it needs to be a pa Palestinian authority, not Hermus.

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Speaker 18: It must exclude Hermus. Canada's made all these conditions right.

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Speaker 18: One is that Hamas has excluded there has to be

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00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 18: a commitment to democratic elections in twenty twenty six and

1186
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 18: so on. So there's a lot of detail there, But

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Speaker 18: I think symbolically it will help us.

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Speaker 3: Get the aid in treasure. I agree, right, I think

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Speaker 3: the symbolism is important. But why are we not talking

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Speaker 3: about flooding the area with aid? Why is that not

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Speaker 3: where the effort is being put in, Because that's actually

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Speaker 3: going to save lives. Recognizing a state of Palestine's saving

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Speaker 3: no one's life.

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Speaker 21: That's right, I mean, I think that I think there

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Speaker 21: are two There are two things. Though what we've what

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Speaker 21: we have seen is that the getting aid in that

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Speaker 21: situation is so disastrous at the moment, and unfortunately, and

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Speaker 21: I heard a report on this the other week, of

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Speaker 21: flying in aid over the top, that has become more

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Speaker 21: symbolic than actually useful to people on the ground recognizing

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Speaker 21: the two state solution. It is symbolic, but sometimes with

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Speaker 21: big intransigent issues like this, symbols matter. And obviously that

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Speaker 21: recognition is going to align us with our key allies

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Speaker 21: and it's going to shift the moral debate. I agree

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Speaker 21: with the approach being taken actually by Winston Peters, which

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Speaker 21: is there is no upside for New Zealand in being

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Speaker 21: you know, first here or rushing into this. We are

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Speaker 21: a very small nation and our support is symbolic. But

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Speaker 21: if we make a misstep on something like this, given

1210
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Speaker 21: the sensitivities around the world, it could have an outsized

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Speaker 21: impact on my view.

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Speaker 18: Can I just say, though, what the thing about France

1213
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 18: and Britain and now Australia. But France and Britain agreeing

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Speaker 18: to recognize the state of Palestine. That's the that's the

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Speaker 18: Security Council, those are the permanent members of the UN.

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Speaker 18: That's quite significant. That's different to two thirds of the

1217
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 18: General Assembly recognizing Palestine. And I think, I know you're

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Speaker 18: connecting it with aid and I know from our experience

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Speaker 18: we will be able to get more aid in there

1220
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Speaker 18: if Palestine is recognized as a state, because then you

1221
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 18: start to get Egypt, Jordan and so on involved. You

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00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 18: start to have a kind of political diplomatic process that

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Speaker 18: will start as a state. You know, the Palestine sits

1224
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Speaker 18: at the UN, but it sits there in a weird.

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Speaker 3: But we're talking about about something in September. These people

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Speaker 3: need eed now, Yeah.

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Speaker 18: But if you have, if you have members of this

1228
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Speaker 18: of the of the permanent members of the UN and

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Speaker 18: Security Council recognizing Palestine, suddenly Egypt and joy who do

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Speaker 18: not want Palestinians to come to their countries will say okay,

1231
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Speaker 18: two state solution, will get involved, will will help to

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Speaker 18: secure the border.

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Speaker 3: And get Aidan. All right, Trish, is there anything you

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Speaker 3: wanted to say? I feel like you've got.

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Speaker 21: Well, no, no, no, it's fine. I mean Josie's obviously

1236
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Speaker 21: the specialists in this area. But what I would say is,

1237
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Speaker 21: you know, in all the commentary that I have listened to,

1238
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 21: the issue with getting Aiden again is meting now who

1239
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 21: in the Israelis And unfortunately for the israelis the fact

1240
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 21: that all of these countries now are wanting to recognize

1241
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 21: a two state solution. It is a symbol that Israel

1242
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 21: has completely lost the narrative on this and ultimately, in

1243
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 21: my view, that doesn't Obviously that doesn't help people who

1244
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 21: are starving now, but it may be the lever that

1245
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 21: gets us to a better long term solution for people

1246
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Speaker 21: of Gaza.

1247
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Speaker 3: All Right, guys, we'll take a break, come back, talk

1248
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Speaker 3: about the poll. Sixteen away from.

1249
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Speaker 1: The huddle, with New Zealand Southby's International Realty the ones

1250
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Speaker 1: for unmasked results.

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Speaker 3: Right, you're back with the huddle Trisharson and Joseph Agaranni Triush.

1252
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Speaker 3: Do you think that the National Party, but in particular

1253
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 3: and the government should be worried about what they're seeing

1254
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 3: in the polls?

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Speaker 6: Yes, I do.

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Speaker 21: I don't know that any of us would have predicted

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00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 21: that this government would be polling where it is at

1258
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Speaker 21: this time in the electoral cycle. They are only halfway

1259
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Speaker 21: through their first term, and when you consider what they

1260
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 21: came in off the back of the feeling across the

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Speaker 21: electorate about what had happened under the Labor government, what

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Speaker 21: it had meant for their individual's own back pockets, I think,

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Speaker 21: you know, I would have expected National to be polling

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00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 21: a lot higher at this point because consider two factors.

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Speaker 21: Number one, we have absolutely seen nothing to change our

1266
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 21: minds about neighbour's stewardship of the economy or where they

1267
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 21: might head in the future. And although this has been

1268
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Speaker 21: a challenging time for National, you know, unfortunately for them,

1269
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 21: they should be the party of good economics. But I'm

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00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 21: just you know, trying to put my finger on kind

1271
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 21: of what's going wrong here. And it's easy to make

1272
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Speaker 21: this sound simplistic, but in my view, one of the

1273
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 21: problems that we have got is because of this the

1274
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 21: cost of living crisis, and it's such a near term issue.

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Speaker 21: What the government is really missing is a legacy focus.

1276
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 21: If you think about the governments who have come in

1277
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Speaker 21: off the back of very difficult economic times, I'm thinking

1278
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 21: about the eighty four Labor government, and I'm thinking about

1279
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 21: you know, the Rich Richardson time in the nineties and

1280
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Speaker 21: even the Helen Clark government. One of the factors that

1281
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Speaker 21: they have all had in common was a legacy focused.

1282
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Speaker 21: Either of them govern just for the next new cycle

1283
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 21: or the election, they all of those had an aim

1284
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 21: to leave the economic architecture in better shape for the

1285
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Speaker 21: next generation. In my view, this is what's going wrong

1286
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Speaker 21: for national and where that is really the robbers hitting

1287
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 21: the road here is a fallback into populism and the

1288
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 21: problem with that is it's all about us and them,

1289
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 21: and in making it about us and them, you are

1290
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Speaker 21: losing core parts of your voter base.

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Speaker 18: Hang on, Josie, Yeah, I mean I think potentially they

1292
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Speaker 18: have a legacy issue around the NCAA stuff, and I think,

1293
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 18: you know, the Colin you rode at the weekend haved

1294
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 18: on Erica Stanford that there's a bold, courageous politician who's

1295
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 18: going right, I'm going to blow it up and set

1296
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Speaker 18: it up again. I'm also going to bring people with me.

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Speaker 3: So why don't they have the courage? Why does Nikola

1298
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 3: Willis and Chris Luxon in particular, and you could probably

1299
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Speaker 3: chuck Chris Bishop in there, but those people who are

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Speaker 3: involved in finance, why do they not have the courage

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Speaker 3: with the economy that Erica Stanford has with education?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, and I would put christ Bishop in there for

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Speaker 18: getting rid of road taxes. There's a whole bunch of

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Speaker 18: things that he's done. I think part of the problem

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Speaker 18: is that the economy is in a resetting mode. You know,

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Speaker 18: we've had high inflation. You could argue the government and

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Speaker 18: I do, that they shouldn't have done a tax cut

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Speaker 18: when they first came in because that's slowed down the

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Speaker 18: recovery because the only way you do tinkering, but.

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Speaker 3: The implification and when this doesn't work in cech all gone. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's massive.

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Speaker 18: Why but hold on, there's one thing though, hold On,

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Speaker 18: Trish is one thing though that I think is really important.

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Speaker 18: It's a Treasury report that said that people's wages compared

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Speaker 18: to the cost of living are now back to twenty

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Speaker 18: twenty levels. So that's the major problem that the government has,

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Speaker 18: is that.

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Speaker 3: They've they've got a thousand, they've got myriad problems in

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Speaker 3: the economy. What were you going to say, trash.

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Speaker 21: I was going to say, and to deal with that again,

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Speaker 21: just you know, really lifting this back up. I think

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Speaker 21: the the other missing parts that some of those big

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Speaker 21: transformation or reforming governments had. Number one is strategic clarity.

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Speaker 21: They didn't drift. They came into office and they had

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Speaker 21: a clear theory of the problem, a coherent set of solutions,

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Speaker 21: and the politic the political will to execute, just like

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Speaker 21: Erica Stanford. We're getting I'm excited. And the second one

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Speaker 21: is political courage. So as an example, if you think

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Speaker 21: of Roger Douglas, he was willing to make unpopular decisions

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Speaker 21: in pursuit of what he saw was in the national interest. Yes,

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Speaker 21: and he had to resist intense pressure on that. And

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Speaker 21: in my view, that is what we're missing at the

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Speaker 21: moment as well. You have to govern for future current

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Speaker 21: but future generations, and if you were just governing based

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Speaker 21: on focus grouping, you are not going to tackle the

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Speaker 21: really big problem.

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Speaker 18: And a big example of that on the labour side

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Speaker 18: would of course being Michael Joseph Savage right where you know,

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Speaker 18: you had a whole state house building building program, you

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Speaker 18: had a whole welfare state setup that we still have

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Speaker 18: today and that has bipartis courage, sport right courage. But yeah,

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Speaker 18: but I would also as another example, I would use

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Speaker 18: David Seymour, you know, attacking his own government, taking national

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Speaker 18: for not being bold enough around reforms of the public sector.

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Speaker 18: And you'd have to say, Nashville came in and went, right,

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Speaker 18: we're going to fire a whole lot of public servants.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, tough on them.

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Speaker 18: But it's also the easy bit politically to reduce numbers.

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Speaker 18: But what you have to do is exactly what Trisha's saying,

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Speaker 18: is thinking, what is the public service for? Why has

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Speaker 18: it not been able to deliver good policy? Why hasn't

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Speaker 18: it been able to implement quickly urgently? And to do

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Speaker 18: those things? You need to completely rethink the public sector. Yes,

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Speaker 18: divide implementation strategy. Right, Thank you, ladies, it's wonderful to

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Speaker 18: talk to the pair of you.

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Speaker 3: Really appreciated. Joseph Gani treshurs in our hut all this evening, It's.

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Speaker 1: The Heather Duplessy All and Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 3: Hither how does recognizing Palestine help the Palestinians and Gasa

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Speaker 3: all the West Bank? Who's going to govern the state

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Speaker 3: when there is no defined borders as being run by

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Speaker 3: a terrorist organization whose stated aim is the elimination of

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Speaker 3: Israel and who do not themselves want a two state solution,

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Speaker 3: as it's all just virtue signaling. Mark fairpoint. Look, I

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Speaker 3: mean the difficulty with this is that recognizing the state

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Speaker 3: of Palestine does not put food in the balies of

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Speaker 3: the children, which has got to be the primary thing.

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Speaker 3: And also we're waiting till September, and there are four

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Speaker 3: weeks to go till we had September, and you know

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Speaker 3: this is four weeks is a long time when you're starving.

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Speaker 3: So I see your frush. I'm frustrated by this as well,

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Speaker 3: and with all of the questions about how on earth

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Speaker 3: do you how on earth do you even do this

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Speaker 3: if there is no leadership and so on. I totally

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Speaker 3: take the point, but it is also a part. It

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Speaker 3: is also in some way about sending benyamanett Ya, who

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Speaker 3: are very clear message. Remember what I told you a

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago, maybe last week. Apparently, according to

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Speaker 3: people who are reporting from that part of the world,

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Speaker 3: apparently he has no idea. He and his cabinet really

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Speaker 3: do not understand how frustrated the world is about this.

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Speaker 3: They are completely kind of cut off. The officials, the diplomats,

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Speaker 3: they understand they have to deal with all of the

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Speaker 3: drama and stuff. But those guys in Israel and the

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Speaker 3: cabinet are sitting there going everything's fine. We've got the

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Speaker 3: support of the Americans. It'll be fine, and so for them,

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Speaker 3: it's kind of a good idea to get this message

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Speaker 3: sent to them. Anyway, Listen, we're gonna talk to Nikola

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Speaker 3: Willa's short issues with us. Can we just talk about

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Speaker 3: sunscreen really quickly? There is an anti sunscreen movement? Did

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Speaker 3: you know that there? I haven't left a lot enough

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Speaker 3: time to explain this year. I've explained this to you later.

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Speaker 3: Did you know that there's an anti sunscreen movement? And yes,

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Speaker 3: of course it's all the same characters. It's the there's

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Speaker 3: a big overlap between people who are anti sunscreen, anti fluoride,

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Speaker 3: anti covid vacs. Make all your anti soap, make all

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Speaker 3: your soap at home, don't give your children sugar, you know,

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Speaker 3: like they're you know, like like really like extreme health

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01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 3: nuts are now getting into anti sunscreen. Anyway, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to run you through that. Why I don't I'm not

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Speaker 3: an anti sunscreener. I use the sunscreen. But why maybe

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Speaker 3: it may be we should listen to them, just a

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Speaker 3: little bit of what the nutty people in this particular

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Speaker 3: case have to say. Anyway, we'll get to that shortly,

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Speaker 3: as I said, Nicholas. Next News Talk SADB.

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Speaker 12: She's gone, She's gone, she go go, she goes.

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Speaker 4: We're Business meets Insight.

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Speaker 1: It's of Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Maz

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01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: for Trust at Home, Insurance Solutions.

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Speaker 3: Newstalks dB even in coming up in the next hour,

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Speaker 3: Shane Soley on what the market is expecting from the

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Speaker 3: RBA tomorrow, Destination Queenstown on that very high end result

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Speaker 3: being built and Gavin Gray will do the UK for us. Right,

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Speaker 3: Let's get you across the One News variant poll which

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Speaker 3: has just landed. It reckons National is on thirty four

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Speaker 3: percent no change, Labor is on thirty three percent up four,

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Speaker 3: The Greens are on ten percent down two. New Zealand

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Speaker 3: First on nine up one, Act on eight no change,

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Speaker 3: the Malordi Party on four. On these numbers, the Coalition

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Speaker 3: government would have the numbers to govern in the preferred

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Speaker 3: prime Minister Pol Chris Luxeon's on twenty down three, Chippy's

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Speaker 3: on three no change, Winston Peters is up seven. Oh

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Speaker 3: it is on seven up one rather Chloe Warbrick's on

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Speaker 3: four down one. David Simon was on four, and Shane

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Speaker 3: Jones is on one and right now it is eight

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Speaker 3: pass six and Finance Minister Nikola Willis is with us

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Speaker 3: An Nikola.

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Speaker 22: Hello, Evan, where are you? I'm in London.

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Speaker 3: What time is it.

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Speaker 22: It's about seven o'clock in the morning here.

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Speaker 3: Oh you sound sick.

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Speaker 16: It's just a.

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Speaker 20: Frog in my throat. Don't worry about me. I'm absolutely fine.

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Speaker 20: I was just going to say, ask the movie star impression.

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Speaker 3: Jeez, I'm so impressed and also very grateful that you're

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Speaker 3: getting up to chat to us. And if you were

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Speaker 3: doing that, you know, because you're on the other side

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Speaker 3: of the world. But if you're doing it sick as well.

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Speaker 3: I would owe you big time, So thank you. Now,

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Speaker 3: what's going on with the polls? Why aren't you guys

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Speaker 3: doing better?

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Speaker 22: There's been a couple of poles.

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Speaker 20: They both show largely that there's a fight on between

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Speaker 20: the coalition and the opposition parties. And in my mind,

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01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 20: that flight's going to be about who do you trust

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01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 20: to strengthen and secure economic growth over the next few years.

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Speaker 20: And frankly, the idea that Labor Greens and to Party Marty.

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Speaker 22: Are going to do it is wrong.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, they would confiscate wealth, they tax us, that put

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Speaker 20: us into a lot more debt, and so our coalition

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01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 20: needs to demonstrate that we are doing the right things

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01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 20: at pace and that these will make a difference for

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Speaker 20: New Zealanders. We've got to keep working hard at that

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Speaker 20: and the pulse will eventually reward us as when we

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Speaker 20: demonstrate it.

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Speaker 3: Well, why aren't you demonstrating it already? You've had more

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Speaker 3: than eighteen months.

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Speaker 20: Well, we are demonstrating it with our actions. But the

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Speaker 20: reality is the economy is still recovering and that means

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Speaker 20: that we're not seeing instant, overnight success. We never claimed

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Speaker 20: that we would, but we are doing the right things

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Speaker 20: to ensure that more businesses if we're able to expand

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Speaker 20: higher are that we can get more investment into the country,

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Speaker 20: that we can grow our trade, that we can become

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Speaker 20: a wealthier place where people can better deal with.

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Speaker 22: The cost of living.

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Speaker 20: Those are the right things to be doing, and I

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Speaker 20: expect all of my forecasters tell me that that will

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Speaker 20: result in a higher growth rate, more income growth, lower

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Speaker 20: interest rates, and lower inflation over the next twelve months.

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Speaker 20: And that's when the election will be held next year,

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Speaker 20: not tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: What have you done, apart from the tax boost in

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Speaker 3: the investment tax boosts that you gave in the last budget,

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Speaker 3: what have you actually practically done that helps this economy.

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Speaker 20: Well, we've brought in the fast tracked legislation, which means

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Speaker 20: that major projects results of that. Well, the Auckland Port

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Speaker 20: expansion will take part place this year as a result

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Speaker 20: of that, and we'se around a dozen other projects that

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Speaker 20: are due to good announcements in the next line, which

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Speaker 20: we expect will kick off before Christmas. We're replacing the

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Speaker 20: entire Resource Management Act. We've removed red tape from farmers

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Speaker 20: well by the way are driving it now. We have

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Speaker 20: reduced red tape from farmers already in terms of the

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Speaker 20: fresh water rules are in terms of what's happening with

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Speaker 20: forestry conversions, we've done that work already. We've made sure

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Speaker 20: that our employment laws allow small businesses and large businesses to.

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Speaker 22: Put people on ninety day trials.

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Speaker 20: We've reduced some of the constraints and our health and

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Speaker 20: safety regulation. We've ensured that there is a proper investment

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Speaker 20: going into infrastructure and that projects are being delivered faster.

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Speaker 3: This is all rats and mice. This is the problem

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Speaker 3: right Apart from this stuff, This is all rats and mice.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree that the tax boost was necessary. And yes,

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Speaker 3: maybe in the future the fast track stuff will work.

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Speaker 3: In the port stuff will work, in the RMA stuff

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Speaker 3: will work. But right now we're just dealing with tanquerary.

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Speaker 3: We're in the biggest recession that we have been in

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Speaker 3: thirty years. Don't you think you guys should be doing

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Speaker 3: something fundamental.

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Speaker 22: Well, we have done fundamental changes.

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Speaker 20: We've introduced golden visas with more than a billion dollars

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Speaker 20: worth of investment. How much of that money would not

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Speaker 20: go other ways for the comfort Well, there's more than

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Speaker 20: a billion dollars pledged and those will be signed off

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Speaker 20: coming weeks months.

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Speaker 3: Why are you you, Nikola, You are the woman in

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Speaker 3: charge of finance, and why are you not doing a

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Speaker 3: better job?

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Speaker 20: Well, I would put to you that we are doing

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Speaker 20: a good job because actually what we've done is ensured

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Speaker 20: that New Zealanders had tax reductions rather than.

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Speaker 22: Tax increases, which would.

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Speaker 20: Have constrained the economy. We've ensured that inflation, which was

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Speaker 20: out of control for three years, has come down. We've

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Speaker 20: seen significant interest rate reductions which provide an impetus for

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Speaker 20: a revival in the construction industry.

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Speaker 22: And I'm glad to see the conference.

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Speaker 3: This is reserve bank stuff. You're the reserve The Reserve

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Speaker 3: Bank did this you have? I mean, your biggest problem

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Speaker 3: right now is you're not running any surpluses. And the

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Speaker 3: Treasury report that came out on Friday, so you need

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Speaker 3: to be running surpluses.

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Speaker 20: Well, I'm going to rebut you there because I've seen

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Speaker 20: your commentary on that. The simple factor is over two budgets,

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Speaker 20: we have reduced expenditure by forty four billion. That's how

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Speaker 20: many savings that we found, and we have given a

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Speaker 20: path that will.

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Speaker 3: Ensure and you put them into our portion of.

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Speaker 20: The economy comes down from the big high of thirty

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Speaker 20: four point four percent under Robertson, it comes down to

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Speaker 20: thirty point nine percent over our over the four year

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Speaker 20: forecast period. And we've achieved that by making big changes

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Speaker 20: in terms of key We save subsidies in terms of benefit,

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Speaker 20: increase rates in terms of emergency housing, in terms of

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Speaker 20: welfare reform, in terms of pay equity, and all of

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Speaker 20: those things.

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Speaker 3: Now, Snickler and Treasury said, five years on from the

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Speaker 3: start of the pandemic, core crown expenditure as a share

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Speaker 3: of GDP is still near its twenty twenty level, So

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Speaker 3: you actually.

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Speaker 20: And it's on track to come down significantly. And we

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Speaker 20: did not get a mandate for slash and burn economics.

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Speaker 20: Nor do I think that that austerity path that Ruth

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Speaker 20: Richardson and others have promoted would be the right thing

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Speaker 20: for New Zealanne because we are because we have put

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Speaker 20: money into our health system so that New Zealanders don't

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Speaker 20: need to wait so long for an operation. We have

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Speaker 20: put money into our education system so that the next

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Speaker 20: generation better educated. No, we have absolutely focused money and

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Speaker 20: to core areas health, education, infrastructure. Those are things that

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Speaker 20: are needed for our economy to be strong.

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Speaker 3: But there's a lot of other stuff spend money on here,

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Speaker 3: And do you know this, we don't have to spend money,

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Speaker 3: which is.

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Speaker 20: Why we have reduced expenditure by forty four billion dollars

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Speaker 20: over areas that we believed were not delivering value for money.

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Speaker 22: What about how you do it here?

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Speaker 3: What about cutting the grocery commissioner because he himself says

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Speaker 3: he does not have the tools to do what needs

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Speaker 3: to be done here, so he's he's ultimately I like

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Speaker 3: the guy, but he's a waste of space in that role.

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Speaker 3: So why don't we get rid of it?

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Speaker 20: Well, you've got to get serious here that because reducing

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Speaker 20: the amount of money that goes into the grocery commissioner

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Speaker 20: is a zero point zero zero zero percentage of our

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Speaker 20: overall government spending. I know that, And what his report

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Speaker 20: is well exactly, So it's not a solution to this.

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Speaker 3: But if you get enough of that stuff nically, you

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Speaker 3: cut that, You cut the Women's Ministry, you cut the

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Speaker 3: Ministry for Pacific Peoples, you cut all those ministry for

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Speaker 3: the environment. Think tanks like get rid of them, and

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Speaker 3: you are saying.

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Speaker 20: None of them would be any but none of them

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Speaker 20: would be anywhere near as significant as changing the pay equity, raging,

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Speaker 20: stopping the indexation of welfare to incomes.

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Speaker 22: None of those things would get anywhere near the order

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Speaker 22: of magnitude.

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Speaker 20: We're doing the big things that make structural savings, which

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Speaker 20: is actually what New Zealand needs. And on the grocery Commissioner, actually,

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Speaker 20: what he is doing is monitoring what's happening in that

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Speaker 20: sector to provide us accurate data before we make what

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Speaker 20: are significant policy changes. And actually I think that it's

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Speaker 20: important we are well informed about what's actually happening with

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Speaker 20: market share, with margins.

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Speaker 22: That sort of thing.

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Speaker 20: His reports have led to far greater enforcement of pricing

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Speaker 20: and promotion practices, and the supermarkets have changed their turn

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Speaker 20: on that now now introducing refund policies. They're now being

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Speaker 20: much clearer about their pricing because they know they're being

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Speaker 20: watched by the commission. In a market where supermarkets have

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Speaker 20: market power, someone needs to be watching and calling it

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Speaker 20: out when it's not right.

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Speaker 3: Are you meeting the gent tailors later this week?

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Speaker 22: I won't be because I'll be in London and then

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Speaker 22: in New York.

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Speaker 3: Who's meeting them?

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Speaker 22: Well, look the energy Minister regularly meets gen Taylor's.

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Speaker 3: Are they going to be talking about the Frontier Report?

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Speaker 20: Well, the Frontier Report has been received by the government.

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Speaker 20: Our key focus is making sure that our electricity market

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Speaker 20: is structured in a way that ensures we get good

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Speaker 20: investment and generation, and that our generators have access to

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Speaker 20: the fuel they need to generate electricity.

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Speaker 3: Kiss what is the important thing about the Frontier reporters?

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Speaker 3: Apparently that it recommends taking the generation aspect away from

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Speaker 3: the gent Taylor's and then bundling it together and the

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Speaker 3: government running it. Are you open to.

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Speaker 22: That as a government.

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Speaker 20: We're considering that report and I'm not going to get

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Speaker 20: ahead of Cabinet on it. Our key focus is we

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Speaker 20: need generation that works when the hydro lakes aren't full,

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Speaker 20: the sun's not shining, and the wind isn't lying. Realistically,

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Speaker 20: that is going to mean coal and gas for some time.

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Speaker 20: So how do we make sure that we're getting enough

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Speaker 20: investment both in power plants that can generate electricity using

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Speaker 20: those fuels and that we have sufficient access to those

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Speaker 20: fuels so that New Zealand doesn't get massive energy spikes

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Speaker 20: in the future that lead to de industrialization and expensive

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Speaker 20: electricity prices for keys.

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Speaker 3: Nicholas, thank you so much for taking the time to

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Speaker 3: talk to us from London. Best of luck with everything

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Speaker 3: explain this idea of the generation being stripped out of

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Speaker 3: the gentailors right now, six twenty one, Shane Soly Harbor

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Speaker 3: Asset Management is with us as Shane. Hello, head right,

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Speaker 3: what are we thinking about the Fed's chances of cutting

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Speaker 3: the rates?

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Speaker 23: Well, it's a big one. I'm going to be honest

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Speaker 23: with you. The July consumer price inflation for the United

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Speaker 23: States that comes out on Tuesday night News on time.

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Speaker 23: They'll influence whether the US FED, that's the central bank,

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Speaker 23: and the US does cut rates when they do it

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Speaker 23: how often. Obviously, mister Trump, the President is pushing in

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Speaker 23: the cut rates, but inflation.

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Speaker 7: Has been pretty sticky.

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Speaker 23: Market is expecting about a zero point two percent number

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Speaker 23: for the July month that commits to two point eight

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Speaker 23: percent for the full year. Maybe getting enough, Maybe getting enough,

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Speaker 23: But you know, the feed's been pretty sticky with this

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Speaker 23: sort of four point twenty five four point five percent

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Speaker 23: range they put in December. Look, I think the markets

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Speaker 23: can be a bit weary. Uh, the market's gonna be

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Speaker 23: worried if it comes in hot either, to be honest

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Speaker 23: with if it's above that point two, then the market's

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Speaker 23: gonna be worried about interest rates staying high when the

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Speaker 23: economy is slowing down. So really important one on Tuesday

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Speaker 23: Night News all time.

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Speaker 3: Now, what is the market expecting from the RBA tomorrow?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, in contrast fully pricing in a point twenty five

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Speaker 23: percent cut from the RBA taking their official cash rate

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Speaker 23: down to three point six percent last month. Of course,

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Speaker 23: either they shocked us by not cutting. They said we

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Speaker 23: want to see some more data, particularly on price growth

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Speaker 23: and play. Since then, we've had inflation come in lower

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Speaker 23: then expect at two points and actually unemployment starting to

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Speaker 23: rise and iusy something that many new zeigners don't realize

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Speaker 23: that economy is actually starting to slow down. So a

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Speaker 23: cut that will be pretty helpful and just cushioning the

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Speaker 23: bit of slow down that's occurring, boosting household confidence which

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Speaker 23: is actually pretty weak. If they don't cut, markets'll be weak.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Did you see that stuff around spark selling a steak

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Speaker 3: in the data center business? How the market react to that?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, so we've we've seen Australian Financial Review report and

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Speaker 23: the weekend so specific. Equing Partners is closing in on

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Speaker 23: taking a steak and sparks five hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 23: dollar plus status in the platform, sparking out this morning

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Speaker 23: and said, no, nothing is a year. The processes I'm

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Speaker 23: going we'll tell you when we're ready to tell you

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Speaker 23: when something's going on. But look, the Thin Review report

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Speaker 23: was pretty specific. They talked about controlling stakes they took

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Speaker 23: to bet a newzeon dollar six hundred million dollar valuation,

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Speaker 23: so quite specific. Actually on the day the ship price

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Speaker 23: flat only up points six two sixty one. Sorry either,

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Speaker 23: really bit of a balance between we're watching for a

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Speaker 23: bit of a possibly a flat result, poor result coming

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Speaker 23: up in their result in a few weeks time versus

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Speaker 23: this deal.

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Speaker 3: And also the IPO for Fonterra's offer, isn't it Well?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, look again, the Financial Review is amazing how this

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Speaker 23: isy paper digs a step up as saying that French

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Speaker 23: multinational company like talastane brands like Pools and Oak in Australia,

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Speaker 23: they're the lead better for Fonterra's consumer products business. Apparently

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Speaker 23: they're being given exclusive opportunity to buy it. This has

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Speaker 23: been a prolonged process. Frontier started back and Frontierra sorry

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Speaker 23: and back in the venby saying, hey, we're indicating a

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Speaker 23: trade sale or IPO. It's looking like a trade sale.

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Speaker 23: The key thing is for New Zealand Incorporated. If there

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Speaker 23: is a good price, then that money could find its

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Speaker 23: way back to distas and farmers in the form of

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Speaker 23: a returning capital ship. Price was actually up almost seven

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Speaker 23: dollars eighteen today.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant stuff, Shane, Thanks so much. Shane solely harbor Asset

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Speaker 3: Management six twenty four.

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Speaker 4: Talks that'd be hither.

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Speaker 3: We had six years of growing government expenditure, largely from

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Speaker 3: borrowing and falling interest rates. It takes a long time

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01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 3: to win the country off those dual addictions. That's from Ryan. Heather,

1728
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 3: go hither, asking willis why she isn't doing a better

1729
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 3: job and holding to her account is very good to see.

1730
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 3: Doesn't happen nearly enough, that's Josh Hither. You could get

1731
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 3: yourself into dead in five minutes. It takes you years

1732
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 3: to come out of it. Don't be daft, Heather, go

1733
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 3: a bit easier. A would you prefer Chloe over Nikola

1734
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,679
Speaker 3: as a finance minister? No? No, I wouldn't.

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01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 4: No.

1736
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 3: I I just was hoping for better from the Blue team.

1737
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 3: Weren't you anyway? I'll run you through that thermal co

1738
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:49,919
Speaker 3: idea later on. Right now, it's twenty seven.

1739
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 4: Past six, Heather Duplicy Allen Joba's news. You.

1740
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 3: If you're wondering what to go and watch the movies

1741
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 3: right now, you have a few options.

1742
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 24: Have you?

1743
01:21:56,240 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 3: Other class had all their kids, but missus Gandy's room

1744
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 3: was totally empty. Weapons is a new horror thriller that

1745
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 3: follows a teacher in suburban America whose entire classroom of

1746
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 3: kids just disappears into the night. It's doing quite well

1747
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 3: at the box office. A budget of thirty eight mil.

1748
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 3: Movie has already made its way money back in one

1749
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 3: weekend brought to nearly forty five mili around the globe

1750
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 3: in the first weekend also took the top spot in

1751
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 3: the charts over Freaky a Friday, which is a sequel

1752
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 3: to the movie with Lindsay Lowell and Jamie Lee Curtis.

1753
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:27,959
Speaker 3: But twenty three years later.

1754
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 4: Have you other class had all their kids?

1755
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 3: Now that's the same one hold on.

1756
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 4: You've walked in each other's path. You learned a lesson,

1757
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 4: a lesson that ma again. Okay, that's another thing.

1758
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 20: You much one more thing right over there is a

1759
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 20: QR code that you can tip me with.

1760
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 3: Now you can either go and see those two horrors,

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01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:49,640
Speaker 3: or you can go see Jess Cinder's movie, which is

1762
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,719
Speaker 3: also out at the same time. News is next.

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01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 1: If it's to do money, it matters to you. The

1764
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: Business Hour where they had the duper c Allen and

1765
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 1: maz for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions, News Talk, Sa'd be.

1766
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 4: That girl suit and runs you Me and just.

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01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 3: Cinda's movie was one of the horrors. Ha ha love

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01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 3: your show, ha ha. It is it's the third horror

1769
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 3: and the trifecta. Do you know what though, like I

1770
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,480
Speaker 3: actually want to watch it. My friend went to the premiere.

1771
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 3: Do you want me to tell you what she said?

1772
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 3: So my friend went to the premiere. She votes right,

1773
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 3: So this is declared bias here. She went to the

1774
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 3: premiere and she said, what she thought was fascinating was

1775
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 3: that in twenty twenty, throughout the lockdowns and stuff, just

1776
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 3: Sinda looked like she was coping with everything and she

1777
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,639
Speaker 3: was making really good decisions. And she said, remember how

1778
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:53,640
Speaker 3: it started twenty twenty one, we had I think it

1779
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 3: was it the KFC worker or the guy who went

1780
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 3: to the gym or somebody. There was something there was

1781
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 3: There was a COVID case that just popped out of

1782
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 3: the blue, and justin the got pulled back from holiday

1783
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 3: for that. And my friend said, when they interviewed her

1784
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 3: for that, you could see she'd lost it, like she

1785
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 3: was not coping anymore. She looked completely worn out, and

1786
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 3: she looked like she was making bad decisions. Also, my

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01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 3: friend's other comment was most people won't notice this because

1788
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 3: most people don't deal with politics, but Clark's level of

1789
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 3: access to what was going on in politics was completely

1790
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,879
Speaker 3: out of line. He was filming stuff that was wild

1791
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 3: that he was able to stand there filming it as

1792
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 3: a partner. Partners don't normally go to that stuff, so

1793
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 3: the fact that he was able to go to that

1794
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 3: stuff was just really really bizarre. But I mean, I

1795
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 3: don't think most people, if you're a fangirl and you're

1796
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 3: fanboy and you're watching it, you won't care about it.

1797
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 3: But I think what it goes to show is remember

1798
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 3: Ian Taylor recently made that point in his stuff column

1799
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:51,759
Speaker 3: where he was like, it was all about brand management.

1800
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 3: It really was all about brand management. Twenty two away

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01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 3: from seven.

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01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:56,640
Speaker 4: I'd Heather do for see Al.

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01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 3: I'm telling you earlier about this new one hundred and

1804
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:02,599
Speaker 3: thirty million dollars luxury hotel being built in Queenstown. It's

1805
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 3: called the Noctus Hotel. It's going to sit on an

1806
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 3: elevated one point two hectare site in Fernhill. Has been

1807
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 3: described as one of the largest hospitality investments in Queenstown's history.

1808
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 3: And when I say super luxury, I mean it. You

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01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 3: have thirty seven ultra high end residences. They start with

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01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 3: three hundred square meter three hundred square meter junior suites,

1811
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 3: six hundred and seventy square meters executive residences or the

1812
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 3: presidential pent house, which has got ten bedrooms and comes

1813
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 3: into a cool twelve hundred square meters. Matt Woods is

1814
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 3: the CEO of Destination Queenstown. Hey, Matt, Hey, how are you, Heather, Matt,

1815
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 3: I'm very well. But geez, I'll tell you what. How

1816
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 3: good does this sound for you? Guys?

1817
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 21: Do you reckon?

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01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 3: You have the people to fill it?

1819
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 4: Oh?

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01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 13: Look, I think it's a great thing for New Zealand.

1821
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 13: I think it's one of those pieces that we actually

1822
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 13: need in the terrorism puzzle here for those high end

1823
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 13: visitors that are coming to New Zealand that are looking

1824
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 13: for something like this. So it's not just for Queenstown.

1825
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:55,799
Speaker 13: I see this actually for as a drawcard for New Zealand.

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01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 3: How many people do you, reckon turn up in Queenstown

1827
01:25:58,240 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 3: and want to stay in a place as bougie as this.

1828
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,480
Speaker 13: Well, I hope we've got thirty seven.

1829
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 3: When you say it like that, thirty seven is not

1830
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 3: a lot. I mean that's going to fill up in

1831
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 3: the ski season, isn't it.

1832
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 20: Yeah?

1833
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 13: Look, and I think that's a really interesting point. And

1834
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,600
Speaker 13: as we see the government at the moments investing in

1835
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 13: terrorism and putting money back into marketing and actually hopefully

1836
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 13: into our infrastructure as well, you know, thirty seven people

1837
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 13: for these high end rooms actually isn't a crazy amount

1838
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 13: when you consider the amount of international visitors that do

1839
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 13: come to New Zealand. But I think it's really important

1840
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 13: that we look in Queenstown too. We actually have something

1841
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 13: for everybody. So it's not just all high end. We've

1842
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 13: got backpacker accommodation and we've got mid price points as well.

1843
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 13: And it was interesting to hear in the weekend. You know,

1844
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 13: Anthony Albanesi, the Prime Minister of Australia, was in Queenstown

1845
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 13: this weekend and he referred to his first trip to

1846
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 13: Queenstown when he was a backpacker staying in a hostel. So,

1847
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 13: you know, it's really important that we actually have a

1848
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 13: whole spread, you know, from backpacker all the way through

1849
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 13: to this high end. And obviously these guys have seen

1850
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 13: a real hole in the market and they can see

1851
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 13: the confidence to invest one hundred and thirty million in

1852
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 13: this property, which is fantastic stick you know, and it's

1853
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 13: really good to see that the public sector is prepared

1854
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 13: to act, so the private sector is prepared to invest

1855
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 13: one hundred and thirty million, you know, So that's amazing

1856
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:10,560
Speaker 13: From the private sector, and what we really need to

1857
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 13: see is the public sector investing in infrastructure to go

1858
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 13: along with this as well.

1859
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:15,879
Speaker 3: Okay, so what you're talking about.

1860
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:19,879
Speaker 13: Hospitals, You know, hospitals would be something we needed in Canstown.

1861
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 13: Absolutely we don't have one, but also we do have

1862
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:25,799
Speaker 13: a lot of issues on other infrastructure and particularly congestion

1863
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 13: and roading. So if we could actually see investment in that,

1864
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 13: I think that's one of those things that our visitors

1865
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:32,680
Speaker 13: and our community alike would really like to see from

1866
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 13: the visitor economy.

1867
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. Hey, in terms of you know, the best

1868
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 3: times that Queenstown's ever had, how close to that are

1869
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 3: you or how far away?

1870
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 4: Oh?

1871
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 13: Look, every time is the best time in Queenstown, isn't it.

1872
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 13: But you know, at the moment we are. We've got

1873
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 13: fantastic snow. Clearly, Otago and Southland's doing really well at

1874
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,640
Speaker 13: the moment and that's on the back of terrorism and agriculture.

1875
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 13: You know, so both Southland and Otago are doing really well.

1876
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 13: But you know, tourism we are. We're fortunate that we

1877
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 13: have a great air and we get great connectivity and

1878
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 13: a lot of visitors from Australia. So we're seeing great

1879
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 13: connectivity coming out of Australia and we're still seeing lots

1880
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 13: of local domestic visitors coming down to Queenstown and enjoying what.

1881
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 3: We have, brilliant stuff. Matt, thanks very much for your time.

1882
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 3: Matt Woods, CEO of Destination.

1883
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 4: Queen's Town, Heather do see Alan hither.

1884
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 3: I listened to Nicola and I agree, yes that all

1885
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 3: those small expenditures like the grocery Minister and so forth

1886
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 3: a zero point zero points zero zero zeros et or

1887
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 3: one percent, but it is a serious perception on all

1888
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 3: the people in the households that are really doing it tough.

1889
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 3: I agree. I mean, you find enough of those small

1890
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 3: things and you add them to the big things, like

1891
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 3: enough big things and you can actually turn things around.

1892
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 3: Thermal Co now the gentat so look there is I

1893
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 3: think I don't know if it's if it's being done

1894
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 3: by external pressure or whether there really is a move

1895
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 3: on in government or something, but there's a lot of

1896
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 3: talk of this frontier, this frontier report. Frontier are the

1897
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 3: guys who were commissioned earlier this year. I think it

1898
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 3: was to have a look at what we need to

1899
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 3: do with the electricity sector in this country to turn

1900
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 3: the thing around and try to fix it and whatnot.

1901
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 3: Apparently what the Frontier and we're all getting this third hand,

1902
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 3: but I see there's a lot of reports of it

1903
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 3: going on. Apparently what the Frontier report either recommends or

1904
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 3: softly suggests is that what the government needs to do

1905
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 3: is take from the gen tailor's strip away their generation

1906
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 3: part right so that they just become retailers. Take away

1907
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,639
Speaker 3: the generation stuff, take everybody's generation stuff, put it into

1908
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:19,839
Speaker 3: one big generation company and call it thermal Co. Because

1909
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 3: that's the bit where we're being let down. These guys

1910
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 3: are not building enough generation, and if the government controls it,

1911
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 3: they will just build heaps and heaps and heaps of generation.

1912
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 3: I'm incredibly uncomfortable about this is an idea because for

1913
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 3: a start, I hate nationalizing anything that freaks me out.

1914
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 3: There is sovereign risk with that. You start breaking businesses

1915
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 3: up in this country. What do you think overseas investors

1916
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:41,600
Speaker 3: are going to think about that? I look at it,

1917
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 3: go basket case, stay away. They just had six years

1918
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:47,559
Speaker 3: of labor and one and a half years of national

1919
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 3: having a crack at businesses and hauling like, look at

1920
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 3: all the nutty things just Inder and her lot did.

1921
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 3: And you've got Nicola hauling in Frontra's boss for a yeah. Yah,

1922
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 3: please explain seven and a half years of freaking business

1923
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 3: out you do that. That's the I just don't think

1924
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 3: it's got to do. But also, this is what mom

1925
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 3: and dad and missus got themselves into with shares, right.

1926
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 3: We all bought shares, didn't we when John Key floated

1927
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 3: these things? Can you imagine what this is going to do?

1928
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 3: And we just got trust back in the in shares.

1929
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 3: For the longest time New Zealand did not want to

1930
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:18,559
Speaker 3: have anything to do with the stock market. We got

1931
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:20,600
Speaker 3: the trust back through what John Key did, and then

1932
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 3: you go and break it up and just ruin people's

1933
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 3: trust again. So I think that idea, unfortunately or fortunately

1934
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 3: you decide, needs to go in the bin. Don't you think.

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01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 3: Sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Approaching the numbers and getting the results, it's hither due

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01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: for Sea Ellen with the Business Hour and MAS for

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01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,759
Speaker 1: Trusted Home Insurance Solutions news.

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Speaker 4: Talks that be.

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Speaker 3: I must not forget to talk to you about the

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Speaker 3: sunscreen thing. It's fourteen away from seven. Gavin Gray, UK

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Speaker 3: correspondent with US. Now, Hey, Gavin, either have that. So

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Speaker 3: how serious are they about the thing? You fail your

1944
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Speaker 3: eyesight test at seventeen and you're off the roads?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very serious.

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Speaker 24: I think this is something this government is now pushing

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Speaker 24: towards it. It comes off the back of an inquest

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Speaker 24: into the deaths of four people caused by drivers with

1949
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Speaker 24: failing eyesight that saw one coroner call the UK's licensing

1950
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Speaker 24: system the laxist in Europe. Indeed, the UK is said

1951
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Speaker 24: to be one of only three European countries to rely

1952
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Speaker 24: on self reporting of eyesight or visual conditions affecting the

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Speaker 24: ability to drive, and this government says that is not

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Speaker 24: good enough. So the coroner themselves were saying that in

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Speaker 24: no other circumstance would we accept one six hundred people

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Speaker 24: dying a year with thousands more seriously injured, costing the NHS,

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Speaker 24: the National Health Service, more than four point four billion

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Speaker 24: New Zealand dollars. And so that's why they're looking at this.

1959
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Speaker 24: England and Wales coming into line with Scotland on other matters,

1960
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Speaker 24: reducing the drink drive limit and also introducing penalty points

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Speaker 24: for passengers not wearing a seat belt. So it is

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Speaker 24: a much much tougher landscape that they're looking to bring

1963
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Speaker 24: in here for those on the roads. Plenty of people

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Speaker 24: supporting it, other people saying, well, you're taking away a

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Speaker 24: lot of people's independence. They might be perfectly able to

1966
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Speaker 24: drive if they actually got some glasses or whatever. But

1967
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Speaker 24: this government seems pretty tough on doing that. You must

1968
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Speaker 24: do that before you get out on the road, and

1969
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Speaker 24: that seems pretty sensible.

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Speaker 3: Really, how long is it going to take the courts

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Speaker 3: to clear these what like five hundred odd people are

1972
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Speaker 3: listed at the protest.

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Speaker 24: A long long time. The courts are already pretty backed

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Speaker 24: up here, and we're being told our prisons are full

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Speaker 24: to capacity, hence the early release programs we've been seeing

1976
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Speaker 24: over the last few months. However, the fate of the

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Speaker 24: five hundred and thirty two who were arrested on Saturday

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Speaker 24: for supporting a group called Palestine Action remains unclear.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 24: Palestine Action is simply a group that supports Palestine and

1981
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Speaker 24: what's happening in Gaza, trying to help the people of Gaza. However,

1982
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Speaker 24: the government prescribe Palestine Action as a terrorist group. Therefore,

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Speaker 24: membership of or support for it is criminal and it

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Speaker 24: can be punished by up to fourteen years in prison. Now,

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Speaker 24: on Saturday this weekend, outside Parliament, loads of people gathered

1986
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Speaker 24: and at one o'clock they all suddenly wrote on these

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Speaker 24: signs that they had brought with them something like I

1988
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Speaker 24: oppose genocide, I support Palestine action, at which point the

1989
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Speaker 24: police moved in and arrested them five hundred and twenty

1990
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Speaker 24: one for displaying placards in support of the group. The

1991
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Speaker 24: rest were assaulting police officers. Just six arrests for assaulting

1992
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Speaker 24: police officers, two for breaching public order conditions, one for

1993
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Speaker 24: obstructing a constable and one for a racially aggravated public

1994
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Speaker 24: offic offence. Now, this is the largest number of arrests

1995
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Speaker 24: made by the police Metropolitan Police on a single day

1996
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Speaker 24: in the last ten years. And Heather, it was no

1997
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Speaker 24: student protest. The average age of those arrested was fifty

1998
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Speaker 24: four and the majority of them were h between sixty

1999
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Speaker 24: and sixty nine.

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Speaker 23: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Hey, so why did the restaurant association, the Italian one

2002
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Speaker 3: send a lissa to the UK ambassador.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, they're pretty angry about this. So the Italian's very

2004
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 24: proud of their food. But the UK Good Food Guide

2005
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:22,080
Speaker 24: published a recipe for a traditional Roman dish and according

2006
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Speaker 24: to the hospitality sector in Italy. They got it wrong

2007
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 24: and they're mad about it. And so the dish that

2008
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:35,519
Speaker 24: is caccio a peppe was described as having four simple

2009
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 24: ingredients spaghetti, pepper, parmesan and butter. Oh no, said the

2010
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 24: association representing restaurants in Italy. It only has three pasta,

2011
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:49,640
Speaker 24: pepper and pecorino. Pecorino is an Italian hard cheese. So

2012
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 24: all they've done in the Good Food Guide one is

2013
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 24: put parmesan and butter in instead of this other Italian cheese, peccorina,

2014
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:00,200
Speaker 24: more difficult to get hold of here in the UKCA

2015
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 24: they also describe the Good Food said it's a sort

2016
01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:05,600
Speaker 24: of simple dish that could be whipped up for a

2017
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 24: speedy lunch. The Association of Italian Restaurant says, no, this

2018
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Speaker 24: is to be enjoyed. It takes time to get it right.

2019
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:14,280
Speaker 24: You can't just quickly whip it up for lunch. And

2020
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Speaker 24: you wouldn't believe. They've actually written a letter to the

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01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 24: UK Ambassador Edward Llewellin to complain, as well as the

2022
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 24: UK Good Food website.

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Speaker 3: Ah good on them, you know they love their food.

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Speaker 3: I Gevin, thanks so much. Devin Gray, UK correspondent just secret, Laura.

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Speaker 3: The producer's husband is like this, so if you start

2026
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Speaker 3: talking to him, he will tell you, like the weird

2027
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Speaker 3: he smashes, he's got to have this particular way of

2028
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 3: smashing the petty so he can make a smashed burger.

2029
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Speaker 3: And he's like and he's really particular about which beers

2030
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Speaker 3: he like, Like the Italians really into the food. He

2031
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 3: could never live in a house with me because I

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Speaker 3: just go touch out there you go, there's a boleronnaze.

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Speaker 3: No it is not. I'm telling you no. I know

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Speaker 3: it doesn't look like, well there's a bolerinaze eat. I

2035
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:04,800
Speaker 3: just basically force I just force food at people because

2036
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Speaker 3: it's like, just get us through the day type they

2037
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Speaker 3: I don't have time for this nonsense, like the Italians

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Speaker 3: and the German's husband. Eight away from seven, It's.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the sunscreen thing, Heather, I've never worn sunscreen to

2042
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Speaker 3: my entire life, and I only wear sunglasses when I'm

2043
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 3: driving into the sun. Take notes, Heather, your body doesn't

2044
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 3: know it's sunny and will not naturally help protect you

2045
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Speaker 3: if you are blinded with sunglasses. I'm not an anti vaxer.

2046
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Speaker 3: I'm pro common sense. Well you still sound like like

2047
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:39,599
Speaker 3: that's not science. But anyway, I'm gonna do not science

2048
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:41,479
Speaker 3: at you now as well. So I don't know if

2049
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:43,879
Speaker 3: you know this, but there is an anti sunscreen movement

2050
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Speaker 3: and it is getting a bit of international coverage.

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Speaker 22: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's the people who love the the RFK. They don't

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Speaker 3: like the sunscreen, and they make their alternative stuff at home,

2054
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Speaker 3: and they there's a little bit of overlap, as I

2055
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 3: said earlier, with the anti vaxers and the anti fluorides

2056
01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff, you know, anti everything,

2057
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:02,560
Speaker 3: anti anti you know, don't don't give your child a

2058
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 3: muffin from Woolworth's. Bake your own muffin so you can

2059
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Speaker 3: protect how much sugar they're getting. All that kind of crap. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: So the skepticism about sunscreen is based on the fact

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Speaker 3: that a lot of these people think that there's a

2062
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 3: couple of a couple of things in the sunscreen that

2063
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:20,800
Speaker 3: they don't love oxybenzone and titanium dioxide. And I think

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01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 3: they made correct me if I'm wrong, but I think

2065
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Speaker 3: they may be claiming that it's a carcinogen, so you

2066
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 3: know it causes cancer, so you should avoided. And so

2067
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:29,680
Speaker 3: what they're doing is they're putting you know, they're not

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Speaker 3: putting on any sunscreen. They're putting long sleeved rash shirts

2069
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:34,759
Speaker 3: on the kids instead, which is actually quite a smart idea,

2070
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Speaker 3: to be honest. And then they're also using mineral based sunscreens,

2071
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:40,679
Speaker 3: which also was a smart idea anyway, so I wanted.

2072
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Speaker 3: But some of the stuff is really loopy, Like it's

2073
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:45,639
Speaker 3: like if you eat certain foods you won't get sunburnt, well,

2074
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 3: you probably still will, and you know things like you

2075
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:52,599
Speaker 3: should you should give yourself, give yourself lots of sun exposure.

2076
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 3: That way you're gonna bild up your malowtonin melanonin or

2077
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 3: whatever it is, and then you won't get burned. There's

2078
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:58,840
Speaker 3: elements of truth to all of this, but maybe as

2079
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 3: a bit dangerous. Anyway. Where I'm going with this though,

2080
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:03,680
Speaker 3: is I kind of and on board. I'm kind of

2081
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:05,880
Speaker 3: on board with them, and I don't want to sound

2082
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 3: like a mentalist, but I don't really love sunscreen. I

2083
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:11,920
Speaker 3: never use the fifty on me. I only go for

2084
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 3: the thirty. And because I worry about vitamin D deficiency, probably mental,

2085
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 3: probably not science. But also I don't want to kill

2086
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 3: the coral. And if you're putting all of that sunscreen

2087
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 3: in the water, it kills the coral. That's a fact.

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Speaker 3: And also I don't want to be putting this crap

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01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:26,800
Speaker 3: all over on my body, you know, like you go

2090
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 3: to the doctor with a kid with exmethergat and cut

2091
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 3: the sunscreen. So maybe I'm just saying, like I'm just

2092
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:35,879
Speaker 3: planting the seed with you that maybe the anti sunscreen

2093
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:38,599
Speaker 3: people maybe just a little bit onto something but loopy,

2094
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:40,800
Speaker 3: but a little bit onto something hence.

2095
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Speaker 10: Or you could be off of something here. That those

2096
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:45,400
Speaker 10: are the two hospital possible none by Lincoln Park to

2097
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 10: play us out tonight. They are going to be playing

2098
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 10: in Australia, not New Zealand at the stage unfortunately in

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Speaker 10: early March next year. There are a few gaps in

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01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:54,759
Speaker 10: between the dates though that they're doing Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne,

2101
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Speaker 10: so if any promoters have time to get in touch,

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01:38:57,240 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 10: this will be their first time day on and since

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01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:00,679
Speaker 10: obviously since the death Chester Benington.

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01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:02,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, well who they got instead of him?

2105
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Speaker 10: It's the new vocalist, the girl. What's her name anyway. Yeah,

2106
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:06,600
Speaker 10: stop it.

2107
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:10,560
Speaker 3: They've replaced him with a girl. Yeah, Honor, that's like

2108
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 3: making James Bonder girl. I don't want to go now,

2109
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Speaker 3: do you.

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01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 10: Well, you need someone who can hit the high notes,

2111
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Speaker 10: so I'm sure they would like the rest of them

2112
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Speaker 10: are the original lineup, so I'm sure they wouldn't have

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Speaker 10: picked her if the didn't think she was.

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Speaker 7: The right old move.

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Speaker 3: Well, there have been poor Chrses before and anyway, see

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Speaker 3: you tomorrow. Have a lovely leveling.

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