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Speaker 1: It is time for politics Wednesday. Jenny Anderson, Happy New

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Speaker 1: Year to you.

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Speaker 2: Happy New Year, Mike. Do you have a good holiday.

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Speaker 3: Break, a fabulous holiday break. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: We'll come back to your holiday break in a moment. Actually,

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Speaker 1: Mark Mitchell, good morning.

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Speaker 4: Good morning bike.

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Speaker 3: Were you asleep last week?

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Speaker 1: What was going on? Just because I wasn't there? I

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Speaker 1: don't think I wasn't on top of what's going on here?

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Speaker 4: First of all, humble apologies to everyone, listeners especially, but no,

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Speaker 4: I was up in the Middle East and just quite

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Speaker 4: simply I failed to pick up an email that was

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Speaker 4: sent to be saying that the show was starting again.

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Speaker 4: As simple as that, do you.

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Speaker 1: We'll forgive you this once now, Ginny, thank you. Jenny

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Speaker 1: thoughts On thoughts on.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, can we give them like a

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Speaker 2: copy of Ars of the Elephant or whatever?

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Speaker 3: A look, it's cool to ask the elephant.

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Speaker 4: Not sorry, sorry, Well I'd I'd rather have that than

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Speaker 4: the hot yoga classes you go last year. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, then we ask you, Jinny, did you see yourself

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Speaker 1: on the news at your retreat?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: It did, right, so you were wearing what I would

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Speaker 1: deem to be a elegant summer frock of a slightly

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Speaker 1: complex nature, but nevertheless you you wore it well, thank you.

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Speaker 1: But on the news I saw you with your your

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Speaker 1: chin and your hands, staring into Chris Hipkins's eyes as

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Speaker 1: though as though some sort of oracle, and I thought,

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Speaker 1: what the hell's going on here?

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Speaker 2: I think he was telling in a particularly amusing story.

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Speaker 2: I think that was what was happening in that case.

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Speaker 3: Is that what it was?

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Speaker 1: Do you have a view on Jendle's on the Jendles?

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Speaker 2: Jendles are fine and there oh am I still there?

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Speaker 3: Yes you are.

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Speaker 2: I thought I was dropped off. Look, you know he

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Speaker 2: was relaxed. We were all pretty relaxed. And Jendles are

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Speaker 2: fine jendles at a time when you're not in the office.

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Speaker 3: It's okay, okay, fair enough.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a view on this? Have you heard

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Speaker 1: of Carl Baits by the.

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Speaker 2: Way, caw Baits, Yes I have. He's a wong and

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Speaker 2: emp yes I had not the Motal guy. That's a

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Speaker 2: different bait. Say that.

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Speaker 1: That's right, you're run the fire Minister of comedy. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: He's got this jury bill so you can be excluded

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Speaker 1: sixty five to seventy two. Is this wise thinking is

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Speaker 1: this is this where we need to go or not.

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Speaker 2: You've got to be cautious on juries. They do hold

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Speaker 2: things up, they take longer, for sure, But when you

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Speaker 2: muck around with that, there are often perverse outcomes. So

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Speaker 2: you want to make sure that you've looked through all

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Speaker 2: of those possibilities before you start mucking around with access

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Speaker 2: to justice. And so you need to be very cautious

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Speaker 2: about what you're trying to achieve and what this will

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Speaker 2: actually do.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, you've got a view mark in.

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Speaker 4: We's just trying to increase the age of eligibility for

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Speaker 4: people to be able to sit on a jury to

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Speaker 4: make more life.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, so I didn't realize that was a bill. I

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Speaker 2: thought it was another proposal by Paul Goldsmith also to

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Speaker 1: So that's a separate Oh yeah, no, that's that's separate again.

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Speaker 1: I just worry I worry about I mean, this sort

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Speaker 1: of covers your area. Mark to would agree in the

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Speaker 1: sense that I just wonder if the whole jury system

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Speaker 1: is not so haphazard and nobody wants to be on it,

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Speaker 1: we need to somehow revisit it. And this is I

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Speaker 1: don't know whether this achieves it or not.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's so that's part of the work that Paul's

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Speaker 4: doing without a doubt, which is important. But this, this

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Speaker 4: Bill of Members bill of Carl's is just quite simply

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Speaker 4: saying at the moment, if you're once you're over sixty five,

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Speaker 4: you're not eligible for jury duty. When he's saying, let's

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Speaker 4: extend that to seventy two, and I support that because

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you now there's a lot of people on

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Speaker 4: their seventies that would make outstanding durism probably have the

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Speaker 4: time to be able to dedicate to it.

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Speaker 1: Well, that was that ridiculous rule that Boshia had to

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Speaker 1: resign as seventy two. I mean, if you're up for

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Speaker 1: the job, you're up for the job, aren't you agree?

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Speaker 1: I'm talking to you. I'm talking to you too. As

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Speaker 1: a person who turned sixty this year, I'm virtually juriatric.

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Speaker 1: I've never been more alive.

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Speaker 4: There's a new team mate.

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Speaker 1: Actually, somebody said fifty is the new forties? Was the

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Speaker 1: new forty of the new fifty?

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Speaker 2: Well, I had the big I had the Big five.

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Speaker 2: Oh this year too, So do you mean sounds great?

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Speaker 1: So you were going to hit the big you're going

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Speaker 1: to hit the big five. Oh so he's still in

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Speaker 1: the new forties.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Are you're still claiming you're in your thirties?

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Speaker 4: Mark, No, I'm going to be fifty seven this year,

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Speaker 4: but I'm going to but on defaulting back to the

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Speaker 4: fifty seven, the new forty seven.

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Speaker 3: So we'll give them.

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Speaker 1: Opening speeches. Yesterday I watched Mark. You made some very

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Speaker 1: nice comments about what happened to Nelson and the police,

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Speaker 1: and I thought that was very, very nice. But I

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Speaker 1: reckon Ginny that if I was gone was to my

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Speaker 1: head and I had to pick who was better Hipkins

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Speaker 1: just because I thought, really, yes I did. I thought

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Speaker 1: not by much. But he had more passion, and he

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Speaker 1: was moderately humorous in certain points, so I think he won.

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Speaker 3: You would agree with that obviously.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think Latson always struggles when it's twenty minutes,

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Speaker 2: Like you get to the sort of we watch the

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Speaker 2: clock as you do, and and it gets is at

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Speaker 2: a fourteen and a half, and I just loses a

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Speaker 2: and they're not really strung together as well. So look,

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Speaker 2: it is always a bit scrappy, but I think Chippy

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Speaker 2: has always been good at telling a story and pulling

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Speaker 1: Is it true to say Mark, no alition was your idea.

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Speaker 4: Os Midia when those speeches have been made. But I

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Speaker 4: can tell you one thing. So I wasn't in the house,

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Speaker 4: but there.

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Speaker 3: Was up in the house yesterday. Did you come in

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Speaker 4: Yes? I basically walked into the I got back to Parliament,

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Speaker 4: walked straight into the house to take that speech, to

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Speaker 4: take that call. But look, the Prime Minister's speech would

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Speaker 4: have been full of content focused on would have been well,

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Speaker 4: I can tell you it would have been, because that's

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Speaker 4: exactly what the focus has been the last week, and

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Speaker 4: I've been looking at it from overseas, and I think

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Speaker 4: that the country is fully on board and understands that

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Speaker 4: we've got to do a lot of work around growth

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Speaker 4: this year. If on growth, and that's what he would

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Speaker 4: have been talking.

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Speaker 2: Are you.

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Speaker 3: Today?

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Speaker 5: Would you would you take on board any of what

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Speaker 5: seems to be a building amount of criticism that is

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Speaker 5: as well intentioned as you might be and as supportive

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Speaker 5: as many people in New Zealand might want to be

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Speaker 5: about what you're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: You actually need to do more than you have done well.

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Speaker 4: I just think that there's there's a lot.

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Speaker 2: We've had so.

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Speaker 4: Many issues that we've had to deal with with it

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Speaker 4: the education, crime, you know, the economy, health that you know,

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Speaker 4: we had a lot to deal with last year. But

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Speaker 4: this year the focus for all of us. We're going

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Speaker 4: to continue to be focused on all those things, obviously

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Speaker 4: and continue the men we've created, but that economic growth

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Speaker 4: has critically important for us as a country, and so

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Speaker 4: there's a laser focus on that, and that's what you

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Speaker 4: would have got.

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Speaker 1: Things I raised with it was the speed limit thing.

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Speaker 1: So so new Minister of Health was Minister of Transport.

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Speaker 1: He's busy announcing all the increases and road speeds around

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Speaker 1: the country. Forty nine of them are under consultation. What's

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Speaker 1: to consult about?

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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 1: Why do you need to just get on with the

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Speaker 1: stroke of a pen?

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Speaker 3: Stuff?

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Speaker 4: I agree with you, I'm not sure what the consultation is.

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Speaker 4: I thought that was really clear about it.

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Speaker 2: You're in the government market should know.

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Speaker 4: It's not my portfolio. It's not my portfolio, it's someone

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Speaker 4: else's stuff.

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Speaker 1: You can do and this stuff they're committee about. But

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Speaker 1: but but yeah, you know, making something go from one

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Speaker 1: hundred to one hundred and ten doesn't require consultation.

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Speaker 4: Do so, No, So those decisions have been made. So

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Speaker 4: I'd have to go away and check and find out

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Speaker 4: what consultation exactly they're talking about. Whether it's with local government,

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but but certainly those decisions from central

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Speaker 4: government already been made to reverse what LABEL was doing,

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Speaker 4: and that's trying to slow us all down. And they

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Speaker 4: were very good at that.

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Speaker 1: Ginny Wales and Cowrie Trees. What can you tell me?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you one thing that's kind of missing

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Speaker 2: a bit is that we know that last year they

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Speaker 2: made the wrong choices. We saw two point nine billion

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Speaker 2: and text cuts for people like lean laws and that that,

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Speaker 2: And I just wanted to get this out because he

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Speaker 2: made a comment about them.

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Speaker 3: Do you hate me?

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Speaker 2: They've well, I don't think you need a text cut

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Speaker 2: as much as someone who can't afford and.

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Speaker 3: Up and I got to renovate it this year.

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Speaker 2: I am not providing houses. Houses have been stopping. But

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Speaker 2: I was saying, I just want to get what I say.

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Speaker 2: So they tanked the economy, They paused a whole bunch

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Speaker 2: of different infrastructure projects, twelve thousand fewer construction workers in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand International. We hear growth at two point four percent,

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Speaker 2: and that has declined every quarter since National came in.

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Speaker 2: They've tanked the economy. And now now they're tuning around

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Speaker 2: and saying I will fix it and get some growth

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Speaker 2: by having some digital nomads, and then we will just

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Speaker 2: start selling off the family silver.

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Speaker 3: And the only digital nomads.

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Speaker 1: It was Chris Hipkins who said in twenty forty, the

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Speaker 1: New Zealand economy will be strong and resilient. We will

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Speaker 1: have digital nomads calling New Zealand home. So he loved

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Speaker 1: digital omads last year, didn't like them. Now what happened.

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Speaker 2: Digital nomads are great, but they're not going to start

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Speaker 2: growth if you've got coming in if people were going

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Speaker 2: to come in here paying just GST, but no text,

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Speaker 2: they don't increase wages.

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Speaker 4: Chris Chris Hipkins Beard a year ago around rigging his

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Speaker 4: hands saying sorry that we over promised it underdelivered, and

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you right now, mon Electric Jinny. The only

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Speaker 4: infrastructure projects that got started and being delivered at those

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Speaker 4: ones that were started on the national Okay, we're going

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Speaker 4: to do that.

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Speaker 3: You cannot be.

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Speaker 1: You cannot leave the program without telling me of you

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Speaker 1: on whales and Cowrie you funded this to the tune

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Speaker 1: of four point two million dollars, and whether whether or

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Speaker 1: not singing whales can save dying Cowrie trees?

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Speaker 2: Well, coding charge of by back. I'd like to see

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Speaker 1: People, Well, it came from the science thing that you

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Speaker 1: set up. That was a forty million dollar job. But

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Speaker 1: for four point two million dollars you had people wandering

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Speaker 2: Well, we've also got a government who's trying to turn

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Speaker 2: around a tanked economy by letting some people bring their

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Speaker 2: computers into the country. I think that's just about a.

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Speaker 4: Stick who tink the economy.

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Speaker 2: You definitely did you definitely by firing people and canceling.

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Speaker 4: Infrastructures of vandalism, we're turning it around. And actually, yes,

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Speaker 4: we are going.

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Speaker 2: To welcome driving it deeper into the ground to mark.

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